1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,559 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 2: Well it's Saturday night, and boy, do I have something 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: special for you. Convicted in seven murders of infants, one 4 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 2: of the most prolific infant killers in the world, now 5 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 2: has her own documentary. Now that's special, right, One of 6 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 2: the most prolific child killers that ever lived found guilty 7 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 2: of murdering seven infants as a neo natal nurse. So 8 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 2: why why does Lucy let Be get her own documentary? 9 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to 10 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Lucy let Be at 11 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 2: her crime so horrible it sparked insane media interest. All 12 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 2: the while she's stating, I feel like I have only 13 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 2: ever done my very best for those babies. She did 14 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 2: that while crying during a police interview. Seven infants, five boys, 15 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 2: two girls lost their lives to Lucy let Be and 16 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: those are the ones we know of. Yet there is 17 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 2: a documentary about Lucy let Be. This is what really happened. 18 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Rita Chabwickerbardi. 19 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 3: They thought their son was in safe hands with nurse 20 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 3: let Be, but a short time later they were told 21 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 3: he was dangerously ill and they rushed back to find 22 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 3: doctors trying to save him. 23 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 4: We were taken in and we were told to talk 24 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 4: to him and hold his hongue. And then the conversation 25 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 4: with the consultant and she said, you know, we're going 26 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 4: to stop. 27 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 5: It's not helping. 28 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 4: Were we wye in your arms? 29 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: And more from reader Chakrabardi. 30 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 3: Mum was taking milk to them when she heard one 31 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 3: of her sons crying loudly. 32 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 4: They had bloods around his mouth, and Lucy was there 33 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 4: but fashing about, not really not doing anything. Lucy said, 34 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 4: don't worry, the redistrub was coming. And when she told 35 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 4: me to. 36 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 3: Go back to the ward, the baby's mum left him 37 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 3: in this intensive care area and went to call her husband. 38 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 4: The crying, I've never heard anything like it since. 39 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: It was screaming. 40 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 4: It was screaming, and I was like, what what's the 41 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 4: matter with them? 42 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 3: Legally we can't identify the families in this case. The 43 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 3: stories are distressing. 44 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 2: And the babies don't have names. This is the mom 45 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: and dad of babies E and F from our friends 46 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: at BBC. 47 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get my head around what I'm hearing. 48 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 2: Hearing your child screaming and not understanding what was wrong. 49 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 2: You know, Alexis Tereschuk joining me investigative reporter with Crime 50 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: online dot Com. Alexis, you and I both went through 51 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 2: a lot to give birth, right, and. 52 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 6: You were by my side the whole time. 53 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: That's right. 54 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: Don't made me start crying because now I have this 55 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 2: beautiful boy. 56 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: That's amazing. I'm thinking back to these when we. 57 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: Were in neonatal nick cut neonatal intensive care, well, the 58 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: children were and I was in intensive care. But I 59 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 2: was just thinking about when I would sit with them 60 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 2: all day long until I was told I had to leave. 61 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: Leaving them there and hearing them cry, it was just 62 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: there's something about it. Never bothered me this way before 63 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 2: I had twin, had the children, But now, even now, 64 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: fifteen years later, when I hear a baby scream, it just, uh, 65 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 2: it just turns me inside out. Did that happen to you? 66 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 2: And I hear a baby scream? The impulse to run 67 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 2: to the baby. I never had that before. I mean, 68 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 2: I felt bad for the child. I was wondering what 69 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 2: was wrong. But once you have a child, is it 70 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 2: something instinctive? Is it physical? What is that? 71 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 6: And even it is, it's a difference when you hear 72 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 6: a cry of I'm hungry, I have a wet diaper, 73 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 6: but when a child is in pain, you feel it 74 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 6: so much more. Have some having my son and I 75 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 6: know with you and how much you spent all of 76 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 6: your time with them because they were so tiny and 77 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 6: so little when they were born. 78 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: You're right, Alexis Tereschuk. 79 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: Karen Stark joining us a renowned psychologist in Manhattan, TV 80 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 2: radio trauma expert consultant, and you can find her at 81 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 2: Karenstark dot com. That's Karen with a C if you're 82 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 2: trying to find her, Karen, is it physical? Because I 83 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 2: never had that reaction before. I mean there were times 84 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 2: in the district Attorney's office when a child was a victim. 85 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 2: I would cry secretly, not front of the jury, about 86 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: what happened to the child. But when you hear a 87 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 2: baby screaming now, and for me, it didn't matter if 88 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 2: it was a wet diepee or they were hungry. When 89 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 2: I heard that scream, it literally would send chills all 90 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 2: over me and I would have to just run to 91 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 2: find out what was wrong and try to fix it. 92 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 7: It's a hormone that is just between mothers and babies, 93 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 7: and there are stories that perhaps you can relate to 94 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 7: this where a mother gets up in the middle of 95 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 7: the night and as soon as she opens her eyes, 96 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 7: the baby starts to cry. And it says though the 97 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 7: baby had communicated that, and that's the hormone that you 98 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 7: have when you attached to a trial. 99 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: I cannot imagine why I still have it fifteen years on. 100 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: But that said, I'm just thinking about these parents that 101 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 2: are told there's something wrong with the baby, and the 102 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: baby is screaming, and they leave the baby. They're told 103 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 2: to leave the baby with the nurse, and the baby dies, 104 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 2: not just one, not just two, but then another and 105 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 2: another and another. 106 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at Channel four. 107 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 8: That's win boys known as babies L and M. We're 108 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 8: just a day old. They both survived, but it took 109 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 8: almost thirty minutes to restart Baby M's heart. Experts say 110 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 8: was likely caused by air being injected into his bloodstream. 111 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 8: His brother was poisoned with insulin. Their parents weren't told 112 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 8: that for two years. 113 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 6: We didn't know anything even afterwards, until the police came knocking. 114 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: Air being injected into the bloodstream. 115 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: Now I could understand one mistake but when one twin 116 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 2: has air being injected into their bloodstream and the other 117 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 2: twin is poisoned with insulin, that is no mistake for 118 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 2: two babies, twins to be injected with potentially lethal substances. 119 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: Joining me right now two renowned experts, Kat Thornton and 120 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 2: our friend, doctor Kendall Crowns Doctor Kendall Crown's Chief medical Examiner, 121 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 2: Terrant County. That's Fort Worth Lecturer, University Texas and Texas 122 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: Christian University Medical School. 123 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: Kat Thornton, She's. 124 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: Got so many initials by her name, BSN, R N, 125 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 2: I know what that one means, MT. 126 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: I know what that one means. Neo Natal Nursing. 127 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 2: Expert, Registered nurse, Forensic nurse expert with Goodoy Medical Forensics. 128 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: Kat. Thank you so much for being with us. Kat. 129 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: I'm just remembering all the weeks. 130 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 2: Actually months that John, David and Lucy Lucy the longest, 131 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 2: were in neonatal Intensive care unit and that was fifteen 132 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 2: years ago. And do you know, Kat, I am still 133 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 2: in touch with the nurses, some of them that took 134 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 2: care of the twins. They I remember one day I 135 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 2: was in ICU at the other end of the hospital. 136 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 2: They were in Nick You, and I pretty sure I 137 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: put on a pair of tights before I took off. 138 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: I still had on the gown that's opening the back. 139 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 2: Yes, I did definitely put on type before I made 140 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 2: my way all through the securitiest route of the hospital 141 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 2: to get to Nick you, and I was attached to 142 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 2: one of the what do you say, kat a drip 143 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 2: bag on a roller like a close hangars that really tall? 144 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 9: Yeah, and ivy pump. 145 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: That yes, listen. 146 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 2: They didn't each se any of that law school all 147 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,719 Speaker 2: the way over there, and ultimately found out that I 148 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 2: had set off the alarms by going through the wrong 149 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 2: door leaving ICU. Okay, so I had ultimately had a 150 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 2: trail of hospital police trying to find out how the 151 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 2: alarm went off. But those neonatal nurses were amazing, incredible 152 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 2: and I really believe no offense. Doctor Kendle crowns that 153 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 2: I owe the twins lives to the neonatal nurses at 154 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 2: Northside Hospital in Atlanta. I had been going to sign 155 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 2: I in New York, but came home to visit my 156 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 2: panm parents on a weekend and wouldn't you know, emergency 157 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 2: see section and they I trusted them when I can't 158 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 2: be there. It's a huge burden for a neonidal nurse. 159 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 9: It is a burden and a huge responsibility and also 160 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 9: a privilege to be able to care for these children 161 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 9: at their most vulnerable states. And these families in their 162 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 9: most vulnerable states. Many many of them have gone through 163 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 9: all kinds of toil and trouble just trying to get 164 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 9: pregnant and then to deliver early or to have complications 165 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 9: during delivery. It's just heart wrenching for these families to 166 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 9: not be able to go through a natural birth process 167 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 9: and take your child home with you. But just as 168 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 9: you said, Nancy, to leave them in the care of 169 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 9: others who you really don't know, but you have to 170 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 9: trust them. And the nic nurses are a very special 171 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 9: special breed. The physicians, the nurses, all those care for 172 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 9: those babies. So you had obviously a very good experience 173 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 9: with the staff that cared for your twin. 174 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 2: I really did, and you know, doctor Kendall Crowns. I 175 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 2: do remember that these parents were told by a consultant 176 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 2: that they should leave, but I felt that I would be. 177 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 2: Lucy was in a lot worse shape than John David was, 178 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 2: although they were both in really bad shape. 179 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: Lucy only weighed. 180 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 2: Two pounds Doctor Kendall Crowns, and I remember they thought 181 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 2: she was going to be blind and there was a 182 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 2: procedure where they actually had to put a needle into 183 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 2: her eye, and the doctor and my husband said do 184 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 2: you want to leave? 185 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: Because they obviously thought I couldn't take it. I didn't 186 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: think I could take it either, but I. 187 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 2: Didn't think I could leave Lucy there to face that 188 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 2: without her mother, even though she really didn't know me yet. 189 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: It's so emotional. 190 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 2: Doctor, just have you had that experience during your rotation 191 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 2: or when you deal with child victims. 192 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: It's just gut wrenching for the parents. I think more 193 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: than anything, well. 194 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 10: I think it's unfortunate when a child dies, and I 195 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 10: think as a parent myself, it's hard to see when 196 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 10: a life that has potential and so much hope associated 197 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 10: with it is kind of tragically snuffed out at an 198 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 10: early age. To me, king cases are the worst cases, 199 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 10: especially in a child abuse where you know someone else 200 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 10: could have raised that child, loved that child, adopted them 201 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 10: and taking care of them, And in situations where any 202 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 10: child is murdered, it's just horrible. 203 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 2: The toll it takes on parents and they second guess 204 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 2: every single thing, every move they made. 205 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: Would it had changed the outcome? 206 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 2: Would my baby, my twins, my triplets be alive today? 207 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: Take a listener friends at. 208 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 3: BBC On the unit, there were typically up to three 209 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 3: deaths a year, but they have that number in the 210 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 3: month of June alone, and the pattern continued with babies 211 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 3: dying or coming close to death. 212 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 11: No one suspected any foul play. After several unexpected and 213 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 11: near deaths in just over half a year, a second 214 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 11: review was ordered, with inspectors issuing concerns about staffing levels 215 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 11: that summer hospital bosses described reaching a tipping point after 216 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 11: the deaths of siblings Baby O and. 217 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 2: P oh in p hold on A B C D 218 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 2: E F G h I J K L M N 219 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 2: O p Q. Seventeen Babies. 220 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,359 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Metty Grace. 221 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 2: Lucy let Be found guilty of killing seven infants, five 222 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 2: boys two girls in her care in the neonatal unit 223 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 2: of Chester Hospital. During the trial, her coworkers testified they 224 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 2: witnessed unusual behavior from a former nurse. She got way 225 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:22,359 Speaker 2: too interested in even planning the funerals of the babies. 226 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 2: As we go to air we learned that Lucy let 227 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 2: Be is on suicide watch right now, behind bars, after 228 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 2: she was mocked by her prisonmates over the Netflix documentary 229 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 2: about her case. Yes, jailed baby nurse Lucy let Be 230 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 2: is being monitored around the clock after she was mocked 231 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: made fun of over this documentary. And my only question 232 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 2: is that made her suicidal, that people were mocking her, 233 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 2: not the fact that she killed at least seven infants 234 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 2: in her care. This is what we know happened to 235 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 2: those babies. I guess in the NICKU Neonatal Intensive Care Unit, 236 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 2: the children are already at such a high risk. Like 237 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 2: I said, Lucy, My little Lucy was two pounds and 238 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 2: we knew it was. 239 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: A long shot. 240 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 2: But north Side and the nick you nurses and doctors 241 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 2: saved her and John David's lives. So when you have deaths, 242 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 2: I guess that's expected, not happy, but expected in the NICKU. 243 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: Would you agree with that, cat. 244 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 9: Well, we never like to say it's expected, but some 245 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 9: of these children are in such severe physiological Oh gosh, 246 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 9: that's not right. Some of these premature babies are so sick, 247 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 9: They're little organ are not developed enough to be functioning 248 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 9: outside the womb yet and we are basically assisting them 249 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 9: by artificial means. So we do see death in the NICU. 250 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 9: We see a lot of children who have who have 251 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 9: issues with their lungs, with their heart, with their vision. 252 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 6: Kind of what you said. 253 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 9: So, any any instance where something happens that is unexpected, 254 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 9: we're going to watch and try and see what happened, 255 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 9: what we can do to fix that situation, what medications 256 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 9: we can insist them with and try to help them 257 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 9: just to continue to grow as if they were inside 258 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 9: the mother's womb. 259 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 2: I've never heard it pil like that. That's fascinating to me. 260 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 2: So I guess to you. 261 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: Doctor Kimball. 262 00:16:55,360 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 2: Crown's in a hospital setting, you expect, you don't want it, 263 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 2: but you know a likely outcome with very ill children, 264 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 2: very premature children. 265 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: They could die. 266 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 2: And I doubt pretty seriously that anyone suspects foul play 267 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 2: under those conditions. 268 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: How would you find out, say a baby dies. 269 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 2: An infant, a kneborn, a twin, how would you find 270 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 2: out that someone had injected in air? And I wanted 271 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 2: to say an air bubble, But how do you find out? 272 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 2: How do you figure out that air has been injected 273 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 2: into a baby and killed it, and how does it 274 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:39,719 Speaker 2: kill the baby? 275 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 10: So injection of air in the hospital setting, you have 276 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 10: to have a idea that someone maybe up to something 277 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 10: to catch it. Sometimes the physicians or the nurses are 278 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 10: suspicious when a child or even adult dies unexpectedly and 279 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 10: there's no reason. The problem is is you can get 280 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 10: away with it for a period of time because hospital 281 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 10: deaths aren't necessarily brought to a medical examiner's office and 282 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 10: they're not necessarily autopsy. So usually it's a pattern where 283 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 10: they see this a number of times and then they 284 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 10: start getting suspicious and then autopsies don't. So at autopsy, 285 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 10: how you spot an air EMBLSS is if there's a 286 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 10: suspicion of it. When you do the X ray, you 287 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 10: can spot. 288 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 2: Air an air EMBLSS. What is an endless First of all. 289 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 10: An emblass is a large clot basically, so an emblas 290 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 10: of air is a clock of air in the bass 291 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 10: cardiovascor system. An X ray, you can spot it. It's 292 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 10: kind of like a black area in the heart, usually 293 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 10: in the right ventricles will wear we'll see it. So 294 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 10: at autopsy. When you're doing the autopsy, you actually open 295 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 10: the pair of cardial sack, which is a sack around 296 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 10: the heart. You fill it with water and then you 297 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 10: coke the right ventricle and bubbles will come out, air bubbles, 298 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 10: and when you see those, you know you're dealing with 299 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 10: an air embolis Again, it's easily easily missed at autopsy 300 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 10: unless you have a suspicious suspicion for it, so you 301 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 10: have to have the X rays, and with the X rays, 302 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 10: then you do the proper autopsy techniques catch it. So 303 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 10: air embolism is one of those hard ones to spot 304 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 10: at autopsy. 305 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 2: Trying to take in everything you're saying, and I know 306 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 2: it's by wrote for you because you've done so many 307 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 2: autopsies thousands, But for me to think of a kneeborn 308 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 2: baby lying on one of those cold autopsy tables being 309 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 2: sliced open, and you're filling out the pair of cardium 310 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 2: sack which goes around the heart, and trying to figure 311 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 2: out was air injected into this baby, it's very upsetting 312 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 2: for us reg killer people, doctor Kendall Crowns, But I 313 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 2: thank God for you and other doctors across the country 314 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 2: like you, because from what I can tell, this may 315 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 2: be the single most prolific child killer in the world. 316 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 2: One baby after the next, after the next, after the 317 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 2: next dies. What is the common denominator? One thing Lucy 318 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 2: let Be. Take a listen to doctor John Gibbs, who 319 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 2: worked with Lucy let Be on ITV. 320 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 5: There was nothing about her behavior or her attitude that 321 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 5: worried me at all. The problem with Lucy let Be 322 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 5: was that she was consistently associated with an increasing number 323 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 5: of unusual collapses and deaths that happening on the Union. 324 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 5: That's where the worry was. 325 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: And more from doctor Stephen Breery. Lucy'd let you was there. 326 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 12: She was sitting next to me. I spoke to her 327 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 12: and said, how tired and upset she must be after 328 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 12: two days of this, and I hope that she was 329 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 12: going to have a rest for a weekend. And she 330 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 12: turned to me and said, no, I'm back on shift tomorrow. 331 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 12: The other staff were very traumatized by all of this, 332 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 12: but you were crumbling before your eyes almost and she 333 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 12: was quite happy and confident to come into work. 334 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 2: Okay, greg Algren is joining me. International lawyer with diz Ruis. 335 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 2: They practice all over the United States and beyond. Greg Algren, Yes, 336 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 2: she was there when all of these babies were found dead, 337 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 2: when they were dying, when they were screaming with blood 338 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 2: on their mouth, as you heard the one father describe. 339 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 2: But that is entirely and yes, I've proven a case 340 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 2: on circumstantial evidence alone, but you've. 341 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: Got to have more. 342 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 2: You've got to have more than just well, she was 343 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 2: there whenever the baby babies would die. She never seemed tired, 344 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 2: she couldn't wait to get back to the ward and 345 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 2: work around more babies. 346 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 1: That's not enough to prove a case, Greg, But I think. 347 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 13: There's a I think there's a certain pattern in practice 348 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 13: that starts to emerge. That is the question of lack 349 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 13: of supervision. Apart from the criminal liability, I mean, there's 350 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 13: there's a civil issue. There's the lack of supervision, and 351 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 13: I mean perhaps even the concept of corporate manslaughter, the 352 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 13: failure to adequately participate in the controls that are necessary 353 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 13: to ensure that things are being done the right way. 354 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 2: You know, all that is absolutely correct. I don't think 355 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 2: that's any consolation to the parents, one after the next 356 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 2: after the next, who. 357 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: Suffered the loss of their child. 358 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 2: But Greg Agrin, of course, is completely correct. Robert Crispin 359 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 2: joining me, high profile private investigator former Federal Task Force 360 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 2: officer for the US Department of Justice with the DEEA 361 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 2: in the Miami Field Division. Former homicide and Crimes on 362 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 2: Children investigator, and you can find him at Crispininvestigations dot com. 363 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: Robert, thank you for being with us. If you were 364 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: handed this. 365 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 2: Let me just say Rubik's Cube, one baby after the 366 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 2: next is dying on this ward. Lucy let be is 367 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 2: there every time one of these babies dies and you 368 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 2: hear about the baby screaming They didn't just fall off 369 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 2: to sleep with too much benagdrill, which is bad enough 370 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 2: in itself. 371 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 1: They were screaming, What would you do? You got to 372 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: have more than that. 373 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 2: Now I find air injected into a baby to be damning, but. 374 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: I know I need more. What would you do to 375 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: prove this case? Robert Well sadly. 376 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 14: This case because of who we are dealing with, because 377 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 14: the access to the kids, and because we spoke about unfortunately, 378 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 14: death very final. You're expected that it's okay if someone 379 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 14: dies in hostile that's where they're supposed to die. 380 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: Oh, you just gave me a thought. It reminds me of. 381 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 2: Arson cases, which it took me years to develop an 382 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 2: expertise improving arson because first you have to prove a 383 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 2: crime even happened. And then once you prove a crime happened, 384 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 2: you got to figure out who did it and really 385 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 2: why Like this, you expect babies in a high risk 386 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 2: neonatal unit, some of them, God help them, are going 387 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 2: to die. So a lot of people don't think it's 388 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 2: anything unusual when a baby dies in the neonatal unit. 389 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 14: That's why she got away with it for so long. 390 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 14: So long she got away with it. By the time 391 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 14: it got to law enforcement is when this thing accelerated, 392 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 14: until the administrators got together and they started to compare 393 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 14: the facts and compare the charts and compare the employee 394 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 14: and the behavior, and then it went to law enforcement 395 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 14: after it was first denied to go to law enforcement, 396 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 14: and the employees were told, if you do anything about it, 397 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 14: there will be reach percussion. 398 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: You're making my stomach hurt right now? Is this true? 399 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 2: Alexis to rest Chut with us Crime online dot Com 400 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 2: investigative reporter that all these disks were flagged and employees 401 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 2: were begging for help and they were told, don't you 402 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 2: dare say a word. 403 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: Did that happen? 404 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 9: It? 405 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: Did it? 406 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 6: Was not only it was the nurses and the doctors 407 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 6: who worked with her. They all first time it was 408 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 6: a tragedy, but immediately the way that she reacted was 409 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 6: a red flag. 410 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: She how does she react? 411 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 6: Well, she wanted to come back to work immediately. She said, well, 412 00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 6: you know, I just have to be there immediately. I 413 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 6: need any time to grieve. It's the best thing to do. 414 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 14: Well. 415 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 6: While everybody else was devastated and crushed by this and 416 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 6: thought she was. But each time a child died, each 417 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 6: time a baby died, and she was there, she wanted 418 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 6: to come back to work and insisted on And as 419 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 6: you said, remember many of them were twins or triplets. 420 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 6: She wanted to work with the other sibling immediately and 421 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 6: people and that really raised the red lights. So the 422 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 6: doctors and the nurses really started a file and tried 423 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 6: and complained about her and said this is really very 424 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 6: very suspicious. 425 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 1: Okay, somebody's going to have their pants suit off. 426 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 14: Well, to add insult to injury, they had to write 427 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 14: her an apology. 428 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: Whoa okay, what who's this is this? Crispin? 429 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 14: Or all great, that's Krispin. 430 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: What did you just say? 431 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 14: It had gotten to administration administration shut down the people 432 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 14: that were bringing this forward and we're not going to 433 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 14: do anything further and there'll be consequences. And then Lucy 434 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 14: filed a complaint and the doctors had to do a 435 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 14: risk apology to Lucy. I'm sorry, we're all stressed out, we're. 436 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 10: All under a lot of pressure. 437 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 14: That's how this all started. And then another death, that's 438 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,360 Speaker 14: when administrators caught on. That's when they decided to call 439 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 14: law enforcement. And then that's when this case got some 440 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 14: traction and it took off, and it's where it is today. 441 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 6: And Nancy, I think, and this is kat I think. 442 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 9: Another most interesting fact about. 443 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 1: Her behavior was. 444 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 9: She reached out to these parents, multiple different parents of 445 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 9: the deceased children, and searched for them on social media 446 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 9: and watched their response to their grief and was almost relishing. 447 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: Their grief, and she. 448 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 9: Sent them notes. She said she was apologetic that she 449 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 9: couldn't make it to the funerals. It's really very distressing 450 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 9: to look at someone with such narcissistic behavior and attention 451 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 9: seeking behavior. It's just horrifying. 452 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 2: Oh man, oh man, she is going straight to hell. 453 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: Did you know that? 454 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 2: Also after the deaths of these tiny babies, she would 455 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 2: help the parents prepare the baby for the funeral. 456 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 9: Yes, it did mention in the evidence that she helped 457 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 9: to prepare memento boxes and gather footprints and handprints and 458 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 9: locks of hair, which is a very common practice. And 459 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 9: I see you after a child passes away because maybe 460 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 9: a photograph prior to the death, and these mementos are 461 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 9: the only thing that these parents have to remember the 462 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 9: short life that they had with their child. 463 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: Who was jumping in was that you, Karen start, Yes. 464 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 7: It was. I wanted to say that in addition to 465 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 7: her own cases, they would also find her involved in 466 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 7: cases that were not hers, where she was told not 467 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 7: to be there, and she would get involved with these 468 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 7: supposedly babies that were so sick and dying, which of 469 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 7: course she was causing. 470 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 2: So she wasn't just her patience. She would seek out 471 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 2: other babies. 472 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 7: And she relished taking care of the babies once they died. 473 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 7: She baved them and found clothes for them. She became 474 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 7: very very involved in the aftercare as well. 475 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sure you've got a diagnostic name for that. 476 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 2: Jackie is waiving a note to me that one of 477 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 2: the babies was actually buried and a gown provided by 478 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 2: Lucy let Be. 479 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: Guys take a listener our friends at BBC. 480 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 3: Lucy let Be was eventually moved to a clerical role. 481 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 3: The doctors kept trying to get managers to investigate the 482 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 3: suspicious deaths and her connection to them, even though consultants 483 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 3: here repeatedly made loud warnings to senior management. They say 484 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 3: they were ignored. Even after Lucy let Be came off 485 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 3: duty on the neonatal unit, executives to draw a line 486 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,479 Speaker 3: under the case. Dr Stephen Breery led the team of 487 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 3: seven consultants on the unit who shared joint concerns. 488 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 12: It's something that nobody really wants to consider that a 489 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 12: member of staff might be harming the babies and your care. 490 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 3: Things came to a head when two out of three 491 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 3: healthy triplets died within twenty four hours of each other. 492 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 2: Oh got two out of three triplets. Karen Stark, you're 493 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 2: the shrink. We're just a mere mortals. What is There's 494 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 2: got to be a name for the hatred of babies, 495 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 2: the desire to kill infants. 496 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 7: Well, usually when that happens, it's still side. It's a 497 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 7: parent who's killing the baby. Unfortunately, in this case, you're 498 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 7: talking about a cold and I mean cold bloody killer, 499 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 7: the definition of a psychopath. She was sadistic. She enjoyed 500 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 7: and I know this is hard for people to take in, 501 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 7: but she actually enjoyed watching not just the baby suffer, 502 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 7: but the parents suffer. 503 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 2: Now there's pedophobia, which is a fear of babies, but 504 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 2: the hatred of babies. They desire to kill babies, not 505 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 2: anybody else, just helpless infants. 506 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 7: But that's part of it, Nancy, is that they're helpless 507 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 7: and they're innocent, and that's extremely appealing to killers, as 508 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 7: we know, and all the natural instincts that you would 509 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 7: assume somebody would have when it comes to babies. A killer, 510 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 7: a cold blooded killer like this just the opposite. She's 511 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 7: in her environment. She relishes the fact that this is happening. 512 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: Guys, take a lists to our friends over at ap. 513 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 15: Lucie let Be was entrusted to protect some of the 514 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 15: most vulnerable. Little did those working alongside her know that 515 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 15: there was a murderer in their midst. She did her 516 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 15: utmost to conceal her crimes by varying the ways in 517 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 15: which she repeatedly harmed babies in her care. In her hands, 518 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 15: innocuous substances like air milk or medication like insulin would 519 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 15: become lethal. She perverted her learning and weaponized her craft 520 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 15: to inflict harm, grief, and death. 521 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: Crime stories with nitty grace. 522 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 2: Fallout continues over the ninety minute documentary on Netflix about 523 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 2: Lucy let Be. She's being checked on an hourly basis. 524 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 2: Even more, Steph has been told to engage her in 525 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 2: quote meaning full conversation and talked to her for at 526 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 2: least ten minutes at a time throughout the day to 527 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 2: gauge her mood and state of mind. Why because all 528 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 2: the inmates are buzzing about a Netflix show and mocking 529 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 2: Lucy let Be about the show. In the documentary, Lucy 530 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 2: let Bey's never before seen letters sent from prison boasting 531 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 2: about her posh on sweet sale to a quote special friend. 532 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 2: Now she is the butt of ridicule behind bars. In 533 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 2: these previously unseen letters, Lucy let Be, convict to kill 534 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 2: her whines about her own heartbreaking situation. Her word, not 535 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 2: mind heartbreaking. What about the moms and dads whose infants 536 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 2: were murdered by you, Lucy let Be, And you're whining 537 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 2: about the fact that you don't like being behind bars, 538 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 2: also whined about quote missing her pets behind bars. She brags, 539 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 2: I have my own room and toilet, I shower each 540 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,800 Speaker 2: day and go outside for a walk. Really, and you're 541 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 2: still whining. We also learned let Me has a new 542 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,280 Speaker 2: job behind bars, bragging about that too, that she got 543 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 2: a quote top new job behind bars, leaving the other 544 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 2: inmates jealous. Yes, she has been promoted from cleaner to 545 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 2: dishing out books and DVDs to the other inmates in 546 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,919 Speaker 2: the jail library. Being the jail librarian is a very 547 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 2: sought after role and it gives her influence among the 548 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 2: other inmates, but that has not stopped them from mocking 549 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 2: her about the Netflix documentary about her. What does being 550 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 2: the jail librarian intel? Going around on a trolley delivering 551 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 2: box sets and books to yoursels. She may be bragging 552 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 2: about her cushy jailshill and enjoying her new role as 553 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 2: prison librarian, But I know who you really are, Lucy 554 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 2: let Be. 555 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:15,280 Speaker 1: You're a baby killer. 556 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 2: In her hands, innocuous substances like air, milk or medication 557 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 2: would become lethal. 558 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 1: Then there's baby e. 559 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 2: The mom arrived to give the baby breast milk, and 560 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 2: she found the baby with blood around his mouth before 561 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 2: he died from a fatal bleed, which we now believed 562 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 2: to be caused by let Be interfering with a naso 563 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 2: gastric tube. 564 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: The mom actually walked in on her with the baby. Guys, 565 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: take a listen to this. 566 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 11: It was in June and when Lucy let Be murdered 567 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 11: the first newborn, who we can only call Baby A, 568 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 11: by injecting air into his bloodstream. The following month, after 569 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 11: the deaths of Baby and Baby D, the head of 570 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,320 Speaker 11: the Neonotal Award ordered an internal review and found that 571 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 11: let Be had been the only nurse on shift for 572 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 11: each death. By October, baby and Baby I had also died, 573 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 11: and consultants warned senior management that let Be was present 574 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:17,280 Speaker 11: each time. 575 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:23,720 Speaker 2: That was Sean Fletcher at Good Morning Britain. BABYE Baby 576 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:29,919 Speaker 2: I also died and senior management was warned Lucy let 577 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 2: Be was present each time. Greg Algrin, Why in the 578 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 2: world would a hospital tried to suppress the knowledge that 579 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 2: babies were dying on Lucy Letb's watch, not by accident, 580 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 2: not by normal or natural causes, but by injections of 581 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 2: air or insulin or interference with a NASO gastrel tube. 582 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 2: Why would they suppress that and actually warn the doctors 583 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 2: and nurses of repercussions if they continued to investigate and 584 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,800 Speaker 2: force the Dodgers is Robert Crispin pointed out to apologize 585 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:05,280 Speaker 2: to Lucy. 586 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 1: Let me the killer right. 587 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 13: It's disgusting, It's inconceivable. Yeah, I think we and I 588 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:16,879 Speaker 13: conclude that this institution was trying to protect itself. There's 589 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 13: no excuse for it, and there have to be other 590 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 13: investigations and hopefully prosecutions that come out of this because 591 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 13: the organizational manager there is exhibited here is completely unexcusable, inexcusable, 592 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 13: I mean, it can be allowed to repeat itself in 593 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 13: the future. 594 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: Take us now to Janet More. 595 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 16: To lose a baby. There's a heartbreaking experience that no 596 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 16: pair intodup how to go through, or to lose a baby, 597 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 16: or to have a baby harmed and these particular circumstances 598 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 16: is unimaginable. Over the past seven to eight years, we've 599 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,240 Speaker 16: had to go through a long, torturous and emotional journey 600 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,919 Speaker 16: from losing our precious newborns and grieving their loss see 601 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 16: God children who survived, some of whom were still suffering 602 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 16: today to being told years later the death all collapse 603 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 16: might be suspicious. You'll think to prepare you for that news. 604 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get my head around it. 605 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 13: To you. 606 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 2: Alexis Tereschak joining us from crime Online. The murderers of 607 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,800 Speaker 2: all these babies occurred over the space of one year. 608 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 2: Why did it take eight years to bring her to justice? 609 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 6: Concern raised by doctors and nurses, and they had the 610 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 6: hospital started an investigation into it, and. 611 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: Because she was so. 612 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 6: Forthcoming, she was a nurse, they just never suspected that 613 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 6: this would happen. Did nothing was found. However, when they 614 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 6: decided that they did, they did a survey. They did 615 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,239 Speaker 6: and they saw that she was the only nurse on 616 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,320 Speaker 6: duty in the room with these children for every single 617 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 6: death and every single attempted you know where there were 618 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,359 Speaker 6: children that were assaulted by her that did not die, 619 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 6: but that were treated in the same way. And then 620 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 6: they realized that something happened. She then filed a complaint 621 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,359 Speaker 6: against the hospital and said, you are targeting me. I 622 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 6: am not doing anything wrong. And because it appears that 623 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 6: they were afraid to be they were afraid that she 624 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 6: would sue them more than just file a complaint. They 625 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,920 Speaker 6: backed down on this, and it took years for them 626 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,760 Speaker 6: to finally contact the police, and many of the doctors 627 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 6: there have said that the hospital dragged their feet on 628 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,839 Speaker 6: this and that they should have contacted the police immediately. 629 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 2: I guess I didn't want the bad public relations that 630 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 2: so many babies were dying number one and potentially the 631 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:39,240 Speaker 2: hands of a nurse. 632 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 1: Listen to justice, James Goss. 633 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:48,840 Speaker 17: This was a cruel, calculated, and cynical campaign of child murder, 634 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 17: involving the smallest and most vulnerable of children. Knowing that 635 00:39:54,480 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 17: your actions were causing significant physical suffering cause untold mental suffering, 636 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 17: you created situations so that collapses or causes of collapses 637 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 17: would not be obvious or associated with you. You removed 638 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:20,280 Speaker 17: and retained confidential records of events relating to your crimes, 639 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 17: and checked up on bereaved parents. There was a deep 640 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,880 Speaker 17: malevolence bordering on sadism in your actions. 641 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 2: Karen Starger, I can't figure out if she delighted more 642 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 2: in actually killing the babies or watching them die the 643 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 2: act of killing them, standing by watching them die, or 644 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 2: watching the parents grieve and actually enjoying the funeral preparations. 645 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 1: It's I can't figure out what her motivation is. 646 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,360 Speaker 7: There doesn't need to be that everyone's trying to understand 647 00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 7: her motivation. And when we're talking about a psychopath, this 648 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 7: is a person who has no feelings and the only 649 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:08,279 Speaker 7: motivation is for her to be able to see they 650 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:13,319 Speaker 7: are distressed. That really turns her on. It's hard to 651 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,280 Speaker 7: conceive it, but it's true. 652 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:16,879 Speaker 1: And she had no. 653 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 7: Look how manipulative she was, which really goes along with 654 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 7: being a psychopath. And she turned the tables and she said, 655 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 7: you're harassing me, so that she could take the attention 656 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,240 Speaker 7: away from she's doing something wrong and put the attention 657 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,320 Speaker 7: on the fact that she's a victive. 658 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,800 Speaker 2: Kat Thornton joining US Neo Natal Nursing expert, what precautions 659 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:44,480 Speaker 2: are in place in hospitals to make sure nurses are 660 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:49,719 Speaker 2: not killingants, infants that of course have no voice for themselves. 661 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,840 Speaker 9: Well, Nancy, I think this is an excellent example of 662 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 9: a situation where the surrounding support staff did not feel comfortable. 663 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 9: They were also chastised about bringing forth concerns. And I 664 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 9: will say that I think most institutions do an excellent 665 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:14,759 Speaker 9: job of providing ongoing annual training. The compliance departments and 666 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 9: regulatory departments develop really good education and affirmation to each 667 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 9: employee at annual training. 668 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 2: That is their responsibility, So continue training, Alexis Tereschuk joining us. 669 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:36,440 Speaker 2: So many of these parents probably thought that the potential 670 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 2: deaths of their children were to be expected, and when 671 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 2: a child passed away in the neonatal unit, they thought, well, 672 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 2: he just didn't make it. What happened at sentencing? Is 673 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,719 Speaker 2: it true Lucy Letby would not even come to sentencing 674 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 2: where the parents were all there. 675 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,239 Speaker 6: That's one hundred percent truth. She did not show up 676 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,800 Speaker 6: for her sentencing. She was not there when these parents 677 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,320 Speaker 6: gave their victim impact statements where they talked about how 678 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,800 Speaker 6: they completely trusted her and that they knew something was 679 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 6: wrong because their child was screaming in the unit and 680 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 6: they went in and the parents and it was there, 681 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 6: and she was the only one there. She was too 682 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:21,880 Speaker 6: much of a coward. She did not show up in 683 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,440 Speaker 6: her parents. She is an only child who was doated 684 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,439 Speaker 6: on her whole life. She was everything to her parents. 685 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 6: When she graduated from college, they sent a picture of 686 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,399 Speaker 6: it to the local newspaper. They adored her, They gave 687 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 6: her everything. They were so proud of her. They had 688 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,239 Speaker 6: been there every single day at the trial. But they 689 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 6: also did not show up for this sentence thing, so 690 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,560 Speaker 6: nobody was there to hear what these parents had to 691 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,800 Speaker 6: say after she had murdered their babies. 692 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:53,920 Speaker 2: So chilling that after one baby died, photos have emerged 693 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 2: of Lucy let Be with this huge smile on her 694 00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 2: face at a fundraiser. The baby had just died and 695 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,440 Speaker 2: she went to a fundraiser for neonatal patients and had 696 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 2: this huge smile. She really had a great time at 697 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:13,720 Speaker 2: the party after just killing one of the babies. Seven 698 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:18,879 Speaker 2: babies dead at her hands that we know of, attempts 699 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:25,560 Speaker 2: on the life of six other tiny infants. Lucy let 700 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:31,319 Speaker 2: Me continues to devise methods scheming to get out of 701 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:37,800 Speaker 2: that conviction. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Graf signing 702 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:44,600 Speaker 2: off goodbye friend.