1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should Know from how Stuff Works 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, 3 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry over 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 1: there somewhere over there, And this is stuff you should know, 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: the Continuing Cryptozoology Edition. Oh, this finishes it, right. Oh, 6 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 1: I don't know about that. We've done Bigfoot, Locknest monster yetti. 7 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: Well you haven't done like, um, moth Man. That's the Chupacabra. Chupacabra. 8 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: That's a big one too. Yeah. This slender Man, Slenderman 9 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: is more Internet folklore than anything. Uh did we do 10 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: that one? Or did we think about it and not 11 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: do it? The ladder of those two? If I remember correctly, 12 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: I said it stinks or something. Yeah, if I remember correctly, 13 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: hurt my feelings. Oh my in I think it was. 14 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: I think we could do slender Man now, it was 15 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 1: just so early on that Um it was very thin. 16 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: Now I think it would be more robust. Yeah that's right. Um, well, 17 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: today we're talking about the Yeti, which is not slender 18 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: Depending on which yetti you're talking about, Chuck, it's either 19 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: enormous and like eight feet tall, covered in gray or 20 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: white or maybe sometimes reddish hair, weighing four pounds easily 21 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: or actually it is kind of slender. It could be 22 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: basically what amounts to a wild hippie, basically a somebody 23 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: who likes to grub roots out of the ground and 24 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: lets out a squeal or a cry every once in 25 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: a while just to I guess know that they're alive. 26 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: And um. There's really two competing versions of what those 27 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: of us in the Western world would would inc was 28 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: the Yeti. But the one we're really talking about is 29 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: the first one, what we also think of as the 30 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: abominable Snowman. How tall it was, hippie rob uh? He 31 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: was average like five something, I guess, like high five. 32 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: He was a little shorter than me. Yeah right, he 33 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: was not. He was not the uh. He was not 34 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: the the Yeti of legend as far as I know. 35 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: He could be now though well I don't know. It 36 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: just sounded an awful lot like him, kind of test 37 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: he opened in the mountains grubbing for roots, yep, covered 38 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: in dirt and with wild, crazy hair. So I think 39 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: we should just tell, like, if you don't know what 40 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: we're talking about, this is the um the legendary beasts 41 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: that lives in Asia. Yeah, around the Himalayas typically. Yeah, 42 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: so it's known as Asia's Bigfoot, or maybe Bigfoot is 43 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: known as North America's Yetti. I don't know, Uh, I 44 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 1: guess Yetti came first, right, Yeah, I think yet he's 45 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 1: been around with the Sherpa of Tibet for a very 46 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: long time. Yeah. And that's sort of the deal of this. 47 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: The origin story of this thing is the Yetti has 48 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: been told um for many, many years in traditional stories 49 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: in that area. Um, there's a there was someone named 50 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: um Shiva dot Call that collected a bunch of these 51 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: stories in a book called folk Tales of Sherpa and Yetti, 52 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: and all of them kind of figured the same way, 53 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: which was whether it's a story called the Annihilation of 54 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: the Yetti uh, in which this is pretty good. It's 55 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: about sherpas seeking revenge on a tormenting group of Yettis 56 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: this sounds like something that should be on like the 57 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: Sci Fi channel. I would be very surprised if it wasn't. 58 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: But all of these stories basically have the same moral 59 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: um message at the end, which is because it's sort 60 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: of like a grim's fairy tale. Like be careful out 61 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: on the woods. Actually, yeah exactly. I think it serves 62 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: the exact same purpose to like in the Grimm's fairy Tales, 63 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: and I thought the same thing. Um, you know, there's 64 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: witches that live in candy houses, so don't go wandering 65 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: off in the woods kids, because you'll end up getting eaten. 66 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: For little kids in Tibet, it was don't wander off 67 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: into the Tibetan plateau or the YETI will get you, 68 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,679 Speaker 1: and you will all sorts of terrible things will happen 69 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: to you, which is funny because they are all sorts 70 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: of real things that could kill you in the Tibetan plateau. Well, 71 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: that's why I think what they were saying was, you know, 72 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: you can't just be like, look out for the bears. 73 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: You can. Kid will be like, I don't know. I 74 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: can see a brash kid being like, no bear, everybody 75 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: knows what a bear is. All rustle a bear any 76 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: day of the week. And then you know, along the 77 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: way it gets into a drinking contest with Marion from 78 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: Indiana Jones right, right exactly. That was one of the 79 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: best scenes in the history of film. Yeah, I think so, 80 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: And Tibetan kids tend to agree with me too. But 81 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: before we move on, I want to say one thing, 82 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: that annihilation of the Yetti. Keep keep that in the 83 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: back of your mind. And the story was that, like, 84 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: there are a bunch of Yetti that, um, we're hanging 85 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: around and the Sherpa we're sick of them hanging around. 86 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: So the sherp but basically through a YETI party and 87 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: got drunk and fought with each other to kind of 88 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: provide an example to the Yetti. Hey, you should get 89 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: drunk and fight with each other too, in the hopes 90 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: of the Yeti would destroy each other. It didn't work, 91 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: and the Yetti all managed to escape, except for one 92 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: who was supposedly killed by a a llama, one of 93 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: the Buddhist monks in the area. That's part of the story. 94 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: That's the end. That's the annihilation of the Yetti story. 95 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: I didn't know a Lama figured in. And really, annihilation 96 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: is kind of a strong word if you think about it, 97 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: because if you just killed one out of I think 98 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:59,679 Speaker 1: two and forty Yeti, it's hardly annihilation. That's a good point. 99 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: I think so too. Uh So, throughout history, these legends 100 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: have been pervasive in the region so much so that 101 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: supposedly the great Alexander or Alexander the Great, I'm that's 102 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: sure why I did that. When he came through town 103 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: and conquered the Indus Valley, he said, Uh, I can 104 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: see one of your famous I don't know if that's 105 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: what Alexander the Great sounded like. No, No, what did 106 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: ancient Roman sound like? I was he Roman? I think 107 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: he was Greek? That was he? Cheeze? How about really 108 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: screwed that up? Usa? I knew that do a German accent. 109 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: I'm just slow. I'm just gonna leave. No, han, hank, 110 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: tight chuck, you can rebound. Yeah. Why why did I 111 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: think he was Roman in that Greek? Well, because the 112 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: Romans like to pretend they were Greek themselves. I'm not 113 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: firing on all cylinders. But regardless of my bad accent, 114 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: or maybe I should just edit back in and say 115 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: that was my Greek accent. There you go. Uh he said, 116 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: I want to see a YETI and they the local 117 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: locals that were like, you know, we totally would do that. However, 118 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: um that you can't get them down this low, and 119 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: you'd have to hike really high up in those mountains. 120 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: And I know you're not down with that, so sorry, yeah, exactly. 121 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: So I guess Alexander the Great was like, I'm board, 122 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: I can't believe we're still talking about this. Give me 123 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: some wine. Pretty gotten a drinking contest, and that was that. 124 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: So the yett he continued on in in Scherpa tradition 125 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: in Tibetan, Nepal, and Bhutan, but um in the West 126 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: it kind of disappeared from view until the twentieth century. 127 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: And so remember these are tall tales that the the 128 00:07:54,200 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 1: Scherpa teach their kids, although there is supposedly some I 129 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: guess general belief as well, but I can't I can't 130 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: quite penetrate it. But just imagine that it was just 131 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: strictly tall tales Serpa people told their kids. Then Westerners 132 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: came in and said, what is this you're talking about? 133 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: Tell us about this and just bought the whole thing 134 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: hook line and sinker. Yeah, and things really took for him. 135 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: In nine there's a journalist named Henry Newman. He did 136 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: an interview with some British explorers. And this is a 137 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: time of great exploration, especially from the British. Uh these 138 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: sort of uh these, I guess uh, Indiana Jones, like 139 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: mountaineers who would go all over the world in search 140 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: of these you know, jungles and mountains in church of 141 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: crazy beasts and treasures and things like that. So, uh, 142 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: he interviewed some of these guys and they said, you 143 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: know what, we found these huge footprints up in the 144 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: mountains and the locals there. I guess Serpa said, because 145 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: with in arpa the plural sharpa didn't me did from it? 146 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Um, that was a good episode, 147 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: by the way, everyone, it was go back and listen 148 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: to that one. What was the title of Warm, Friendly Living, Yeah, 149 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: because that's I think what tending Nor said. So great. 150 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: So they said that their guides are Sherpa guides. Um 151 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: called them mito kangm which the translation, the real translation 152 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: is a little awkward man bear snowman. Right, but Newman 153 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: confused all that. He got the snowman part right, but 154 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: he translated that first part to mean mato m e 155 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: t o h two mean filthy or dirty, and then 156 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: he changed that on his own to the word abominable, 157 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: and that's the way we get the abominable snowman. Yeah, 158 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: he was like, I don't like filthy Snowman. I'm going 159 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: to change the name that I've already gotten wrong, right 160 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: and turned it into abominable Snowman. Yeah, he really great journalist, 161 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: But it's fascinating that you can trace it back to 162 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: this one dummy. That's the whole the abominable Snowman. That's 163 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: where it came from, was this one guy, and that 164 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: obviously just completely captured the attention of the rest of 165 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: the world when he he wrote this, because like this 166 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: was not just like, oh yeah, they heard about an 167 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: abominable snowman. It was these these explorers found tracks and 168 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: they're sure, but guides told them the trucks belonged to 169 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: this abominable snowman. Therefore, there are abominable snowmen living in 170 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: the Himalayas. And the explorer who was who led that 171 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: particular expedition was Charles Howard Berry Um Howard Hyphen Berry 172 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: b U R y and Um. Apparently he and Newman 173 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:46,359 Speaker 1: were really big into promoting the idea of an abominable 174 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: snowman or men living in the Himalayas, and that it 175 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: just being like this giant, huge creature with shaggy hair 176 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: and very much akin to Bigfoot. But if you look 177 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: at the descriptions, the aditional descriptions of the YETI they're 178 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: they're much smaller and not nearly as huge as um. 179 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: The Westerners kind of immediately made it out to be. Yeah, 180 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: there was one description, one of the earlier written descriptions 181 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: from two There was a researcher named Mira Shackley, and 182 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: I believe that she got this information from uh, two 183 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: hikers that reported seeing the yetti. Uh, and this is 184 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: what they said. The height was not much less than 185 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: eight feet so tall for sure, but it's not like 186 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: it was ten ft tall. Uh. The head were the heads, 187 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: because there were two of them, were described as squarish, 188 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: and the ears must lie close to the skull because 189 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: there was no projection from the silhouette against the snow. 190 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 1: The shoulders sloped slowly down to a powerful chest covered 191 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: by reddish brown hair which formed a close body fur 192 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: mixed with long, straight hairs hanging downward about the size 193 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: and bill to a small man. The head covered with 194 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: long hair, but the face and chest not very hairy 195 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: at all. This this all sounds like they always describe 196 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: him as or it is bipedal right, means you know, 197 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: walking upright, right. But if you if you go back 198 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: and look at that description and how detailed it was. 199 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: Those hikers who gave the description said that they they 200 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: saw they saw all this from observing two black specks 201 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: moving across the snow about a quarter mile below them. 202 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: And yet they could see that it had a thick 203 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: undercoat and like a very long, hairy overcoat and that 204 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: was reddish, and like that's just just basically perfect abominable 205 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: snowman sighting. Yeah, but but it's one of like many 206 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,719 Speaker 1: like after after that Howard Berry expedition came back in 207 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: and Newman broadcasts to the world, people started going to 208 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: the Himalayas and droves, and they weren't just necessarily looking 209 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: for the abominable Stowe Man. Everest was there, and everybody 210 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: knew Everest was there, and a lot of people wanted 211 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,359 Speaker 1: to be the first one to summit Everest, the first Westerner, 212 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: i should say, to summit Everest, so that while a 213 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: lot of them were in the area, they're like, well, 214 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: we'll look for the abominable snowman while we're here too. Yeah, 215 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 1: and some pretty legendary mountaineers um and granted these are 216 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: not like zoologist or anything, but their respected men in 217 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: their field, people like Reinhold Messner and one Sir Edmund 218 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: Hillary both searched for evidence of the Eddy while they 219 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: were hiking. Uh and Messner even wrote a book called 220 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: My Quest for the Yetty, Confronting the Himalayas Deepest Mystery. 221 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: But I mean, well, well, we'll save the big reveal 222 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 1: to the end or the third act of this show. 223 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: Okay is your third act? Yeah, there's gotta be Okay, 224 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: we're in big trouble. If there's not, well, why don't 225 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: we take a break and then we'll come back and 226 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about a couple more of these 227 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: reported sightings. Let's do it all right, Well, now we're 228 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: on the road, driving in your truck. Want to learn 229 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: a thing or two from Josh Damp Chuck stuff you 230 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: should know, all right, to Chuck? Okay, Chuck. So, uh, 231 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: we've we've started to get some sightings from expeditions that 232 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: are going to Everest and just hanging around the Himalayas 233 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: um and then I think in nineteen one, something really 234 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: big happened. One of those explorers, Eric Shipton, took a 235 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: photograph of a track that to this day looks pretty remarkable. 236 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: Actually yeah. I mean this is again it's not like 237 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: hard evidence, but this is a very famous otto. I 238 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: remember seeing this when I was a kid, and like, 239 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: I guess it was probably the Guinness or Ripley's Believe 240 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: It or Not or something. It was Time Life books 241 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: for me, was it? Yeah? Yeah, I mean I remember that. 242 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: It's a very famous picture of a like a a 243 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: pick because you know pick axe yeah, used for scale, Yeah, 244 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: right next to it. And I remember that very distinctly. 245 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: When I saw this picture, I was like, oh yeah. 246 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: And then when you look at it, you're like, wait, 247 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: that that doesn't look quite right. That's a really weird track. 248 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: It's it looks like an elongated human foot, but rather 249 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: than a left toe. Um, it's it's got, it's kind 250 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: of bulbous and weird. It doesn't look like the other toes, 251 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: and it certainly doesn't look like what a human toe 252 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: should look like. And it's also huge. I think it 253 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: was measured about thirteen inches, which is a pretty typical 254 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: size for a YETI track from what I understand over 255 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: the ages. But the thing about it is it is 256 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: a nice, crisp, fresh track. And the other thing about 257 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: and this is what really captured the attention of the world. 258 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: Eric Shipton was not known to be a particularly fraudulent person. 259 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: He was a very respected explorer and mountaineer. He knew 260 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: the area well and as a guy who has tracked 261 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: Yettie his whole life. Um, I believe his name is 262 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: Daniel Taylor. Um. Daniel Taylor put it. If if Shipton 263 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: is coming back with a picture of a track, you 264 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: just you know, it's a real track. It's not faked, 265 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: it's not a hoax. So the question was what was it? 266 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: And this is one and it hit the world. That picture, 267 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: that track hit the world like the surgeon's photo of 268 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: the Lockness Monster hit the world at back in ninety three. 269 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: It just became like proof to people who believe in 270 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: the Yettie around the world that the Yetie definitely exists. Yeah, 271 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: I mean, like you said, it was really Um what 272 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: what made it different than other photos? That it was 273 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 1: so sharp, it was a really good picture. Um. And 274 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: that that little um toe thing basically looked like a 275 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 1: thumb and it just, you know, it looked odd. But 276 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: this this Daniel Taylor guy, he actually when I started 277 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: reading that article, I thought, oh boy, this crack pot. 278 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: But he actually turned out to be a pretty cool 279 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: guy because he'd spent a lot of his life looking 280 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: for the Yeti. Went over there, even met with the 281 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: King of Nepal, and the King of Nepal said, well, 282 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: if you want to go like to the wildest place 283 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: and the most you know, remote place in our land, 284 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: go to Barroon b a r U n this Baroun valley. 285 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: And he went there and he looked around and he 286 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: uh did not find a yeti. But what he did 287 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: do was ended up helping to work towards conservation of 288 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: that area, which was kind of a nice silver lining 289 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: to his story was he got there and he was like, 290 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,239 Speaker 1: this is of the most beautiful places on Earth, right 291 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: and one of the greatest wilderness wildernesses I've ever been to. 292 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: He realized it wasn't protected and that like Chinese loggers 293 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: were infringing on one side and farmers were infringing on 294 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: the other. So he kind of spun it into like 295 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: good work doing conservation work in that area, which was 296 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: kind of cool. Yeah, you got it turned into a 297 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: national park in Nepal. It's a protected area now, which 298 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: is significant. Have you seen pictures of the valley it's astounding. 299 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: It's one of the most beautiful places I've ever seen 300 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: in my life, and it was just being used because 301 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: the people living there like, well, we need this land. Yeah, 302 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: it's beautiful, but we can't afford to preserve it because 303 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 1: a lot of people around here live on fifteen dollars 304 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: a year um. So they were just making use of 305 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: it however they could. And he he came in with 306 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 1: the government said no, no, no more of that, get 307 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: out of here. This is protected now. But it is 308 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: gorgeous and his his he had actually been raised there. 309 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: Daniel Taylor's grandparents were miss canaries in the Himalayas, and 310 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 1: his parents kind of took over his grandparents work, so 311 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: he was raised in the Himalayas. So he'd been looking 312 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: for the eddies whole life. But when he went to 313 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: the baron Um, he feels like he found the answer 314 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: to that track that it was a kind of tree bear. 315 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,719 Speaker 1: But there's there's a big problem with that. The Barun 316 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: Valley is a subtropical rainforest, so a tree bear living 317 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: in there wouldn't survive very very well in the snow 318 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: and the Tibettan Tibetan plateau, you know, ten ten thousand 319 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: or more feet higher up the mountain, So it doesn't 320 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: really solve the mystery much, no, but his notion that 321 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: it could have been a tree bear makes a little 322 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: more sense with these tracks, because a tree bear does 323 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: have a um I don't I don't know if you 324 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: call it a thumb, but some sort of opposable digit 325 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: to make climbing easier, and that that would at least 326 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: explain this weird thumblike thing in these prints. It would. 327 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: So he's got like half of the thing explained. The 328 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: other half is what the heck was that tree bears, 329 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: the subtropical rainforest tree bear doing up in the mountains 330 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: of the Himalayas, you know what I'm saying, Like in 331 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: the snow above the snow line, I guess, is what 332 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: I'm trying to say. But the other thing about that 333 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: um that shipped in photo that became world famous for 334 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: the yetti um was that, like the track itself, was 335 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: very crisp. And there's a guy named Benjamin Radford who's 336 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: a skeptic who has written a lot about the Yetti 337 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: um and in particular how how difficult obtaining yetti tracks 338 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: could be, or actually, more to the point how easy 339 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: it would be to confuse the normal animals tracks or 340 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: something weird because of the fact that the snow is 341 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: a terrible medium for tracks, because like say a bear 342 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: walks through an area, leaves some tracks in the snow. 343 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 1: The next morning, as the sun comes up and it 344 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: hits the tracks and it shoots all that heat on 345 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: this under that track, it starts to melt the sides, 346 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: maybe elongate it, maybe make the toes look splayed, And 347 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: it just doesn't resemble a bear track anymore at all. 348 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: It looks like something weird and and and um not 349 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: previously known, like an entirely new species. That's the thing 350 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: about the shift in photograph that captured everyone's attention. It 351 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: doesn't look like that at all. It looks sharp new, 352 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: it doesn't look melted at all. The edges are clean 353 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: and crisp. That's why I think really kind of struck everybody. 354 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: It wasn't like a melted, mangled track. It was like 355 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: a new track by something that was not immediately identifiable. Yeah, 356 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: for sure. So there have been other photographs through the years. 357 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: Uh as you know, supposed evidence in hiker name Anthony 358 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: Wooldridge UM said there's a YETI over there, he's about 359 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: five feet away, and uh, he saw a bunch of 360 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: tracks in the snow that looked like that was going 361 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: that way, and he took some photographs that were proven genuine. 362 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: But I think by genuine that just means they weren't faked. Yeah, 363 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: that's what I That's how I understand it, because wasn't 364 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: this the photo that they said, actually those are just 365 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 1: rocks standing up, Yeah, like rock outcropping or whatever. Yeah, 366 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: this guy was also a respected mountaineer and explorer in 367 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: New the area really well. And so when he came 368 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: back with this photo and they said this photo wasn't faked, 369 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: it's not been doctored. People people listen to him too. 370 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: But it just turns out he was wrong. This photo 371 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: of rocks has not been doctored exactly. That's that's ultimately 372 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: what they were saying. Because another expedition went back to 373 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: the same spot the next year and we're like, oh, yeah, 374 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: that's that's those rocks over there. And even even in 375 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: his account, um, that guy what was his name, Woodridge, 376 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: Woodridge says like, yeah, they just stood there motionless, Yeah 377 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: they were they were still his boulders up brave boulders. 378 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: But the other thing is he swore that there were 379 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: tracks leading up to it, so he he seemed to 380 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: think that that they really were there. But from what 381 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: I understand, he was earnest in his report. It wasn't 382 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: like a fraud or a hoax or anything like that. 383 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: And I think he was a little a little red 384 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: faced afterward. Probably. Yeah, they even made a movie about 385 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: it called Ernest Goes Hiking. All right, Ernest Saves Christmas 386 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: with the Abominable Snowman. I'll bet Ernest did save Christmas 387 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: in one movie. I guarantee there was a movie called 388 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: Ernest Saves Christmas. I think I think there was right now. 389 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: The only one I'm a d percent sure of his 390 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: Ernest Goes to Camp. I never saw any of those. 391 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: My family saw that movie in the theater Top Dollar, 392 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: Top Dollar, which was three dollars. Yeah, I guess, I 393 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: hope so at the time, which is surprising because my 394 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: mom used to sneak in bolt candy from like the 395 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: little store across the way from the movie theater in 396 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,959 Speaker 1: Southwick Mall. Yeah, we know that move in our family. 397 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 1: It works works really well. Uh So, over the years, 398 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 1: there have been not only things like, oh, look footprints, 399 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,479 Speaker 1: or hey, look at that rock across the valley. Uh. 400 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: There there have been Uh. I don't want to call 401 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: it evidence, but um alleged evidence brought forward by legitimate scientists. Uh, 402 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: and people like Sir Edmund Hillary, like he brought back 403 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: a scalp and said he didn't say I scalped the Yetti, 404 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: but he said, hey, I think this is a Yettie scalp. Yeah. 405 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: He was trying to fool anyone, though, was he? No? No, No, 406 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: he was supposedly kind of a casual believer in it. 407 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 1: He'd been sent on a Yetti expedition by New World 408 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: Encyclopedia years before, and he came back with a a 409 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: Yeti skull cap that he'd gotten from a monastery in Nepal. 410 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: They had a Yetti skull cap and a hand, a 411 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: Yetie hand and mummified Jetti hand. And what's crazy is 412 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: the Yeti skull cap was supposedly the the scalp of 413 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: the one Jetti that had been killed during the annihilation 414 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: of the Yetti story. So he brings it back. I 415 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: think it wasn't that he was gullible, And I also 416 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 1: I'm sure it wasn't that it was. He was a hoaxter. 417 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: He was the kind of scientific person who kept his 418 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: mind open until the evidence was in. Man, can you 419 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 1: imagine a time when an encyclopedia company would send Sir 420 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 1: Edmund Hillary out on assignment? Like, how great is that? 421 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: I know that was the mid twentieth century. It was 422 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: a great, great time to be alive in the way 423 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: of wonder and curiosity. Uh so, Yeah, he comes back 424 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: with a scalp and it turns out they did a 425 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: little research and it was a It's an animal called 426 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: a sero. It's kind of like a goat. You have 427 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: some poor serro got scalped. Yeah, but that happened a 428 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: lot like, Um, there was this finger and this is 429 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 1: a pretty good story or um that actor Jimmy Stewart, 430 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 1: believe it or not, was involved in smuggling out supposed 431 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: yetti finger. Yeah, from from again from a monastery. I 432 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: believe it might have been the same monastery. Yeah. And 433 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: wouldn't he just on vacation there and just got sort 434 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: of mixed up in this plan? Yeah. We gotta mention 435 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,360 Speaker 1: Tom Slick, the oil man, Yeah, because he figures into 436 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: this story. Uh. He was a rich guy who uh 437 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: he was one of these dudes is sort of adventuring 438 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: rich guys. That was like, I'm a Yeti hunter for 439 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, and when when you say hunter, like 440 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: he was a hunter. His entire point to finding the 441 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: yet he was to shoot and kill it and to 442 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: take it back and have it stuffed. And um, the 443 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: government Nepaul had a real problem with that and basically said, 444 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: your expedition is is banned. Nobody can come in here 445 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: and kill the Yetti. And apparently the U. S. State 446 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: Department got in touch with Nepal and said, hey, by 447 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: the way, we have the same feeling. We we have 448 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: a policy of not killing Yeti either. So apparently with that, um, 449 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: Tom Slick's expedition was allowed back in on the basis 450 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: that they would never try to kill the Yeti except 451 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: in self defense. And I guess later on, when he 452 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: became interested in bigfoot, he had a change of heart 453 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: and he stopped decided he stopped hunting to kill and 454 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: started hunting just to find and maybe capture on photograph 455 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: and that was it. And that his change of heart 456 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: um change the way that bigfoot is searched for to 457 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: this day, and the Yeti now much more. Yeah, it's 458 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 1: much more peaceful search. He was like the last of 459 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: the UM big game hunters involved in like trying to 460 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: find unidentified animals again to kill them so they could 461 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: be stuffed and kept at the National Geographic Society or 462 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, I mean, and that was a 463 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: big thing that um Daniels guy talks about, just these 464 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: legends and history and how quote unquote science back then 465 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: was in the Victorian age were we're because you know, 466 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: all these tales of Tarzan and these fantastic beasts. People 467 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: would just these rich people would go into the jungle 468 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: and search for animals that no one had ever seen 469 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: before so they could shoot and kill them and bring 470 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: them back and say, look at this weird thing, right, 471 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: And I mean a lot of people like don't really 472 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: like you. You point to the guys who were out 473 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: there like doing the hunting and killing and the exploitation 474 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: and all of that, but they were very frequently working 475 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: at the behest of museums, sure, who for a very 476 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: long time got to pass even though they were the 477 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: source of the um those expeditions and the funders of 478 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: those expeditions, and the reason people were out there in 479 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: the first place was to go get specimens for the 480 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: museum's collections and ostensibly to study or whatever, but it 481 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: was to study them dead. And I think probably because 482 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: there wasn't really any reliable way to ship a live 483 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: specimen back in a lot of ways, but also there 484 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: there was um so I think Tom Slick kind of 485 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: represented the the end of that and at the beginning 486 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: of the new, this new era of much more peaceful 487 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: exploration and expeditions. Yeah, And I don't want to leave 488 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: everyone hanging on Jimmy Stewart. He was only he was 489 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: on vacation I think in Calcutta, got mixed up in 490 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: this uh in this yetie finger helps smuggle it back 491 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: and they finally did DNA testing about seven or eight 492 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: years ago and they said, oh, this is a human finger, right, 493 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: But I mean for a while there they weren't sure. 494 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: And I guess Tom Slick was friends had a common 495 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: friend h with Jimmy Stewart, and Jimmy Stewart happened to 496 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: be in India, and so Tom Slick's agents and Nepaul 497 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: managed to get this finger to Jimmy Stewart, who agreed 498 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: to smuggle it out on the basis that Jimmy Stewart's 499 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: luggage is not gonna get searched. And Jimmy Stewart's smuggled 500 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: a jettie finger out of India and to the UK 501 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: for it to be studied. I'll go go, go ahead 502 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: and put the finger in my bag. So ho big 503 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna do Jimmy Stewart Eddie. In my head, I 504 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: was like, Jimmy Stewart, can I blow that off? You did? Man? 505 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: You nailed it? All right. Well, let's take another break 506 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: and we'll come back and talk more about DNA and 507 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: how that has figured in uh in the search of 508 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: more recent years. Right after this, well, now we're on 509 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: the road driving in your truck. Want to learn a 510 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: thing or two from Josh Damn Chuck. Stuff you should know, 511 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: all right, Chuck, so check you remember in the Lochness episode, 512 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: the Lockness Monster episode, we talked about how there's like 513 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: a new search going on where they're sampling the lock 514 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: itself and examining it for d NA UM. Apparently, applying 515 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: modern genetics and genetic analysis to cryptozoology is like the 516 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: next chapter and rather than saying like, oh, well that's 517 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: say for us, are are big? Fraud? Is over with? 518 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: Cryptozoologists are like, awesome, good, we finally have the tools 519 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: now to find out to get to the bottom of 520 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: this stuff and to actually discover new new specimens or 521 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: new um species um. So there seemed to be quite 522 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: happy about it and quite excited, although the there a 523 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: lot of their beliefs hang in the balance and could 524 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: just be have the legs cut out from under him 525 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: by science. That's science wins. In two thousan, there's a 526 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: geneticist at Oxford named Brian Sykes who said, all right, yetti, Uh, 527 00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: holders of Yetti pieces, send them to me. If you 528 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: have any Yetti hair, Yetti teeth, Yetti tissue, send it 529 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:09,719 Speaker 1: Oxford University. And he got it. He got fifty seven samples. Uh. 530 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: They picked thirty six of those to do some DNA 531 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: analysis on and uh most of these turned out to 532 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: be animals that we all know, like bears and cows 533 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: and horses um. At the time though that he found 534 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: a couple of samples from Bhutan in India that he said, 535 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: we're a percent match for jaw bones of a polar 536 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: bear from the Pleistocene era. Yeah, and this kind of 537 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: excited people because this may have been I mean not 538 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: the Yetti. But this may have been sort of a combination, 539 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: a hybrid of a polar bear and a brown bear, 540 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: because this is when they were diverging genetically, and that 541 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: in itself would be a pretty cool find. Yeah, oh yeah, 542 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: it would be a new type of bear that was 543 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: a direct descended from bears that went extinct about forty 544 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: years ago, and it would be a type of polar bear. 545 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: There aren't polar bears in the Himalayas. There's black bears 546 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: as brown bears, there's him Alaan bears, there's tree bears, 547 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: but there's not polar bears. So and the fact that 548 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: like he accidentally found this by putting out this call 549 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: for for samples of Yeti or Bigfoot or whoever, Um 550 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: just made it all the all the sweeter that like 551 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,719 Speaker 1: he had just accidentally discovered a new type of polar 552 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: bear living in the Himalayas. Yeah, but sadly that was 553 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: not even the case. Um. Some more scientists came along later. 554 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: They did re analysis, and I think what they landed 555 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: on was, you know, unfortunately these uh, I think you're 556 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: getting a bad reading because of a damaged sample. What 557 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: these really are are just brown bears. They're brown bears. Yes, 558 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: some other people followed up because, um, it's not like 559 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: it was any kind of hoax or anything like that. Wike, Um, 560 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: it's white, right. His last name is Wike Pikes Sikes. 561 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: Sikes is like a leading expert on um analyzing mitochondrial DNA, 562 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: wrote the book The Seven Daughters of Eve, which kind 563 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: of introduced the world to genetic analysis through m M 564 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: T d n A. But um, he just made a 565 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: mistake or leapt to a conclusion. I think is the 566 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: the the thing that everyone's being too polite to to 567 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: maybe say. But he he shared all of his data 568 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 1: on gen Bank, which is this huge database, and other 569 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: people came and analyzed and said, now it's just regular bears. 570 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: And then other people analyzed and said, yeah, it's totally 571 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: just regular regular brown bears that we already know about. Yeah, 572 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: but that science at least was getting involved, and scientists 573 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: kind of round me were like, you know what, this 574 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: is great because we're using real science finally, and regardless 575 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: of what result we get, like we're doing it the 576 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: right way and that's really kind of the thing that counts, Like, 577 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 1: don't don't be disappointed that we're not finding the Ettie 578 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 1: because um, and if it's not clear to everyone listening, 579 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:10,280 Speaker 1: it seems like the yetti are are almost always just bears. Yes, 580 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: that not just the the the the like tissue samples 581 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: or the fecal samples or the hair samples, but also 582 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: the tracks, the sightings, all of it are probably just 583 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: Himalayan bears, brown bears, and black bears. And that's actually 584 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 1: the opinion of Reinhold Messner, who actually is such a 585 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: mountaineer around the area. He has a um A museum 586 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 1: in the mountains and his one of his yettie samples 587 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: were one of the ones that Psykes analyzed. His turned 588 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 1: out to be the tooth of a dog. But he 589 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: says that doesn't surprise me, because I think they're all bears. 590 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 1: I think all of his bears, including his own sighting. 591 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 1: He became uh infatuated with searching for the yetti because 592 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 1: he spotted something in the Himalayas that he couldn't explain, 593 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: and then through his own with thought goal research, he 594 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,839 Speaker 1: wrote a book about it. Um, he talked to other 595 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 1: people about it, he did his own studies, and he 596 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: kept his mind open and his mind became converted to 597 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: it's all bears. Yeah, pretty much. Um, the Russians got involved, 598 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: you would think, oh, and what like the nineteen sixties. 599 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,359 Speaker 1: Now they got involved about eight years ago and went 600 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: searching for uh, the Yetty and Siberia. Uh. And what 601 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: they came back with were things like, oh, look at this, 602 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: these twisted tree branches were made into beds or sleeping 603 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 1: pods by the Yetty and they twisted these branches and 604 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 1: look at this, it's evidence. But it turns out that 605 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: they were clearly man made. There were tool made cuts, 606 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: and uh, they were located on a not in a 607 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: remote area at all, and just like right off a trail. 608 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, And what people think is, oh, they 609 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 1: just cooked this stuff up to try and bring tourism 610 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:59,799 Speaker 1: to a not very tourist friendly area, right Siberia like 611 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: And apparently there's a longstanding tradition among um Russians and 612 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:09,360 Speaker 1: former Soviets of basically drumming up tourism by playing on 613 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: people's beliefs in the Yetti and the abominable snowman um. 614 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: And I think there was a period of time. One 615 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,760 Speaker 1: of the people interviewed in this great BBC article about 616 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,479 Speaker 1: the Yetti Um, the the the this Russian scientist says, 617 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: there's a period of time where it was like very 618 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: fashionable for the intelligencia of Russia and the Soviet Union 619 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: to basically go on trips in the summer looking for 620 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 1: the abominable snowman. And they would show up in these towns, 621 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: and every town had a designated Yeti witness, and the 622 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: Yeti witnesses job was to basically regale them with tall 623 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 1: tales that were supposedly true, take them on these tours 624 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: into the forest um and then make a bunch of 625 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: money off of them and say thanks a lot, chump, 626 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 1: sorry we didn't see anything this time, but that they Apparently, 627 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: in two thousand and eleven, the Russian government orchestrated another 628 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: one of those um through this conference, and from the 629 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: conference they announced to the world they had found indisputable 630 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,360 Speaker 1: proof that Yetti exists from this bed in these broken 631 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: branches and supposedly a few hairs attached to a clump 632 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 1: of moss. But some other people who were attending anthropolo 633 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 1: anthropologists and biologists were like, no, it's totally made up. 634 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,879 Speaker 1: This is all just a big tourist pr stunt, which 635 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:35,479 Speaker 1: is hilarious. Russia and putin supposedly tried to do it again. 636 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,319 Speaker 1: In two thousand and sixteen, he announced that he saw 637 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:47,359 Speaker 1: three yetti from a helicopter tour of Siberia. Oh that's funny. Yeah, 638 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 1: I think so too. So, I mean, I don't have 639 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 1: much else, Yettie your bears, right, Yeah, we couldn't. We 640 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: couldn't talk about crypto zoology though, without mentioning that Cela 641 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:02,279 Speaker 1: canth argument. And and the thing about the YETI is 642 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,760 Speaker 1: that there there was actually a species of ape called 643 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 1: gigant Epithecus that was like a nine ft tall ape, 644 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,359 Speaker 1: the biggest ape that ever lived. UM, that lived in 645 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 1: that very area, and when extinct about a hundred thousand 646 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,719 Speaker 1: years ago. So the people who really believe in this are, like, 647 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,239 Speaker 1: you know, with that the cela can't went extinct like 648 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 1: sixty million years before. We just think this guy went 649 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 1: extinct a hundred thousand years before. Who's to say? So 650 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: that seems to be the thing that's carrying on this belief. 651 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,359 Speaker 1: That and the fact that, as somebody put in one 652 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 1: of these um articles, uh, all it would take is 653 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: one yetti to prove that YETI exists. But no matter 654 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 1: how much, there's no such thing as evidence they can 655 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 1: prove it doesn't exist, so people are always going to 656 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 1: believe it exactly exactly. So there you go. Uh, if 657 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,800 Speaker 1: you want to know more about yetti, go to the 658 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 1: Himalayas and look for it yourself. And since I said that, 659 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:10,360 Speaker 1: it's time for a listener mail or we should mention. 660 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 1: If you're in Disney World, there's a roller coaster ride 661 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:18,399 Speaker 1: called Expedition Everest Colon because you know every good roller 662 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 1: coaster has a colon in the name, uh, colon Legend 663 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: of the Forbidden Mountain there are there is a track 664 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: on display there that the reason it's not in a 665 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,879 Speaker 1: scientific museum and it's a Disney World is because it's 666 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,359 Speaker 1: a Yeti track. But you can go look at one 667 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,840 Speaker 1: from a TV show. Yeah, this guy named Gates who 668 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 1: is not a zoologist at all, but he's an actor 669 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 1: and an animal track or I don't even think he's 670 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 1: an animal track or is he? No, No, he's he's 671 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,399 Speaker 1: an actor and the TV presenter and a producer. Yeah. 672 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 1: So they presented one on his TV show and now 673 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 1: that's a Disney World. Yeah. So um, And if you're 674 00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,359 Speaker 1: in Disneyland, there's a Yetty on the Matterhorn ride. Oh, 675 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,479 Speaker 1: really like a real yetti. Yeah, they have one chained 676 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,360 Speaker 1: by the neck inside the matter horns. Really scrawny. They 677 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,760 Speaker 1: clearly aren't taking very good care of amazing. I already 678 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,760 Speaker 1: said it's time for listener mail, Charlis, Yeah, I got distracted. Sorry, 679 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:19,360 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna call this, uh follow up on the 680 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 1: chili finger that Jimmy Stewart planted at Windy's. Uh And 681 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 1: and quick shout out there's a local listener from Georgia Tech. 682 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 1: But I just wanted to say hello to a couple 683 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 1: of people I met last weekend at the High Museum 684 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,439 Speaker 1: when I went to the Infinity Mirrors exhibits. Oh isn't 685 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: that amazing? Yeah you always kusama um, Yeah, I thought 686 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 1: it was. Here's what I think. I think it was 687 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 1: really cool. And it would have been a lot cooler 688 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 1: if it's just like, yeah, you just walk through all 689 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,880 Speaker 1: these things and you don't wait thirty minutes to spend 690 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 1: twenty seconds in the room. Yep. That took away from 691 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: it a bit, you you mean? And I went at 692 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,319 Speaker 1: the into the day and people thinned out and we 693 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: could just keep going in and staying as long as 694 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: we wanted and them, so I I totally get what 695 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 1: you're saying. It was cool though, and I also think 696 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,239 Speaker 1: like I went with my brother and his family, and 697 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,920 Speaker 1: Scott was kind of like I could build one of 698 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,080 Speaker 1: these in my backyard. By next weekend, I wanted to 699 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,279 Speaker 1: see Scott's Infinity mirror. I thought the same thing. Would 700 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 1: be awesome to build one of those and just like 701 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 1: hang out in it. For sure, I don't want to 702 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:27,959 Speaker 1: take anything away from her though. She's a great artist 703 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,880 Speaker 1: and it was really neat. I love the uh. I 704 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 1: think the one that was sort of like the Christmas 705 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,120 Speaker 1: lights was my favorite one. What about the one that's 706 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 1: like a kind of like an octagonal box that you 707 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,840 Speaker 1: look in? That was awesome. Yeah, it's just like you 708 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,799 Speaker 1: see your future in the eighties or something like that. Yeah. 709 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,360 Speaker 1: I got a couple of cool photos, and but I 710 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,239 Speaker 1: largely kept the phone in my pocket and just tried 711 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,719 Speaker 1: to be in it. Man, yeah, man, I'm with you. 712 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 1: So anyway, I met a couple of listeners that were 713 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 1: just happen to be there, and they both came up 714 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,000 Speaker 1: and like are you Chuck, and so my brother got 715 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 1: to kick out of that as well. Oh that's awesome. Um, 716 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 1: but this was not one of those people. It just 717 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,280 Speaker 1: reminded me because it's a Georgia Tech student. Hey, guys, 718 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 1: relatively new listener have probably listened to about a hundred 719 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,400 Speaker 1: episode so far and tend to hop around. As you 720 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,960 Speaker 1: can tell, I'm a Georgia Tech student and really hope 721 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,280 Speaker 1: to run into you guys. At some point in Atlanta, 722 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,080 Speaker 1: did I mention I go to Georgia Tech. Anyway, I 723 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:24,840 Speaker 1: finally sort of had something to write in about it. 724 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 1: Was listening to the Wendy's Chili podcast suddenly heard the 725 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,400 Speaker 1: name of a place. It sounded very familiar, Cole's Custard. 726 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: Remember we mentioned that at the end as a as 727 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,719 Speaker 1: a place where there was a finger. Oh yeah, he 728 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 1: said it was one of the places where a finger 729 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 1: had been found. And it shocked me as it is 730 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: just a tiny little custard shop that is not a 731 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,000 Speaker 1: chain on quite expensive beach property in North Carolina. I've 732 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:51,080 Speaker 1: been as a Georgia Tech student. I was shocked. I've 733 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,880 Speaker 1: been to the place probably five or ten times as 734 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,839 Speaker 1: a frequent wizard of Rightsful Beach and then never heard 735 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 1: of anyone mentioned this incident. I just think it's very 736 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,399 Speaker 1: impressive that a small little store managed stay afloat after 737 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,759 Speaker 1: such an incident occurred. Hearing about the finger incident will 738 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 1: not determine from going again, though, And that is from 739 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,800 Speaker 1: Ethan Lyons and Ethan. Maybe that is exactly why it endured. 740 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 1: It's because people just want that custard so bad. It 741 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,319 Speaker 1: must be pretty good custard though, if you think about it. Yeah, 742 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,480 Speaker 1: and it didn't make like big national news, probably because 743 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 1: it's not a chain I see. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm 744 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 1: sure that's part of it. Plus they also did a 745 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: better job spending the pr than Wendy's didn't. Sure, I'm betting. Well, 746 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,160 Speaker 1: thanks a lot, Ethan for letting us know, just kind 747 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 1: of bringing that home. Hadn't really envisioned the place where 748 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,480 Speaker 1: that finger was found in the custard until now, so 749 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,680 Speaker 1: thanks for that. 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