WEBVTT - Trails [11] 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.360 The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are solely 0:00:03.400 --> 0:00:07.400 those of the podcast author or individuals participating in the podcast, 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:10.440 and do not necessarily represent those of I Heart Media, 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:14.200 How Stuff Works, or its employees. I spent a week 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:17.520 on call with Potsky and Armstrong, going to murders with 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:19.600 them in the middle of the night. That was pretty 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:21.599 amazing to know. What was it like to actually be 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:25.080 a homicide cop. I mean, it's pretty gritty. I'd got 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:26.560 a call at three in the morning. It was TASKI 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:29.000 saying meet us at such and such, and so I'd 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:31.400 go out in the mission district and then some guy 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:33.240 laying there with a with a knife in the middle 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:35.919 of his belly. I loved it. I mean, I thought 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:39.120 it was I love that stuff. TASKI was so unique. 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:42.720 He and Armstrong or or nothing alike. Armstrong was, by 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:46.279 the book, very reserved. Toski had a flair and he 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:49.159 was much more of a dynamic, sort of interesting, you know, 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:53.680 real gregarious kind of guy. That's Duffy Jennings, the former 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:57.440 reporter at the San Francisco Chronicle. He worked with Detective 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:01.120 Dave Toski, the lead Zodiac investigating for the San Francisco 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:06.240 police department tasks. Personality and style won him attention, but 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:09.040 it also put him in the crosshairs. The Zodiac had 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:12.200 gone quiet and press coverage of him had all but disappeared, 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:15.320 but that was about to change. So in April of 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:19.640 ninety Zodiac had not been heard from for four years. 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:24.280 There has been no letters, but just in case, the 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:29.760 newspaper still put samples of Zodiac's earlier letters and envelopes 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:35.280 tacked onto the mail slot cabinet where the copy boys 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:39.600 sorted the daily mail, just in case they saw anything 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:45.959 that remotely resembled these old letters. So in in April one, 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:49.760 one morning, the copy boys are sorting mail. I'm at 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:52.480 my desk. I haven't even thought about Zodiac for a 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:56.720 long time. A copy boy named Brent Ward walks up 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:58.680 to my desk with an envelope in his hand, and 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:02.600 he said, hey, um, take a look at this. Does 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:06.760 this look familiar to you? It went off like a flash. 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:14.600 Oh my goodness, that definitely looks like Zodiac. A man 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:17.880 in a mask robbed and tied and stabbed them, leaving 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:22.240 them for dad. Subject stated, I want to report a murder, 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:26.959 no a double murder. I did it. A man who 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:30.600 wore an evil style executioner's hood, carried the knife and 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:35.440 gun and intended to use them. They haven't Arrestie because 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:40.800 they can't. I'm not damn Zodiac. Who is the Zodiac 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:44.639 and where is he? From my Heart Radio, How staff 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:49.440 works and Tenderfoot TV. This is monster, the Zodiac killer. 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:55.160 The Zodiac craved at tension in the media obliged him. 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:58.720 Even the major detective Dave Touski and his suspect Arthur 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:02.200 Lee Allen received their share of the spotlight, and their 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:06.240 stories provide an important lesson to other investigators, the independent 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:09.639 investigators who hunt for the Zodiac on their own, exploring 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:13.200 leads that others ignore, finding new suspects that had previously 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:17.519 escaped notice, and making connections that others dismissed as coincidence. 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:23.120 I got on the phone to call Dave Toski. I 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:25.600 couldn't reach him. He was out of the office. He 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:27.519 came back to the office and they told him you 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:29.919 got a call from Duffy at the Chronicle. He thinks 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:33.239 he has a Zodiac letter, so he came down and 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:39.760 together we opened the letter. Dear editor, this is the 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:44.720 Zodiac speaking. I am back with you. Tell herb Kane. 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:49.080 I am here, I have always been here. That city 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:53.520 pig Toski is good, but I'm smarter and better. He 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:57.920 will get tired then leave me alone. I'm waiting for 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:02.240 a good movie about me. Who play me? I am 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:09.240 now in control of all things yours truly, Zodiac guess 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:16.080 San Francisco Police Department zero. He said, I'm gonna take 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:20.200 it over to Paul Shimoda for verification. Paul was the 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:24.160 documents expert at the US Postal Service. An hour or 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:26.800 two later, he called me back and said, Shimoda says 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:31.720 it's the guy. So we did a story. Zodiac is back. 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:35.120 It's his usual taunting of police for failing to catch him, 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:39.680 and some reference to that city pig Tosky. San Francisco 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:42.880 Police displayed a blackboard with excerpts of the latest Zodiac letter. 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:46.920 Police are convinced it's authentic. DRD. San Francisco Police Chief 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:50.640 Clemdamika said it's the sixteenth letter received from the Zodiac Killer. 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:55.440 I'm the first since Letter number sixteen has breathed new 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:58.640 life into the investigation of at least six leaders named 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:02.120 on the Zodiac files will be reviewed again. For the 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:05.240 last nine years, the Zodiac investigation has been headed by 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:10.160 homicide Inspector David Tusky. I had Lewis beating that he 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:12.320 was not dead and that he was out there somewhere, 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:16.360 and that he would communicate. I was always looking that 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.440 he would communicate and and not commit an act. A 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:23.560 letter I can handle, you know, it's a front page story. 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:28.200 Zodiac had not been heard from for four years. What 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:32.200 happened after that was we had a column going on 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:35.760 in the paper at that time, a serialized fiction column 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:38.480 called Tales of the City, and it was being written 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:42.560 by a writer named Armistead Mopan. Mopan's column included a 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:46.839 character based on Detective Dave Toski. He'd sometimes received fan 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:50.960 mail about that character, anonymous fan mail that Mopan suspected 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:54.320 had been written by Toski himself. Toski is on the 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:57.120 fire for writing phony fan letters about himself to a 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:59.960 newspaper feature writer, and Mopan today came up with farm 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:03.200 more serious charges that there are similarities between the letters 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:06.679 Tuski admits writing to Mopan and the most recent Zodiac 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:09.720 letter of last April. I received the bogus fan letters 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.719 in the fall of nine seventy six. I took no 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:15.200 official action on them at the time because I regarded 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:18.719 them as harmless. As a harmless if somewhat reckless action 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:21.440 on the part of a police officer, I chose to 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:23.480 turn the matter over to police only when I noticed 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:26.560 certain similarities between the tone of the letters and the 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:30.280 tone of the last Zodiac letter. Because there had been 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:33.080 no Zodiac news for four years, there were people who 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:35.960 thought this was Tusky trying to regenerate interest in the 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:42.880 case and attention on him. So an investigation ensued internally 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:46.200 in the police department, and Tusky was questioned about this. 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:49.839 He denied that he'd written it. He acknowledged that he 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:54.960 had written anonymous notes to Armistead Mopen. His credibility was 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:58.440 called into question. The police chief removed him from the 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:03.280 homicide detail, put him back in robbery and pawn shop detail, 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:05.880 and it was the beginning of the end of his 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:10.920 career on the San Francisco Police Department. This letter and 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:15.480 the suspicions around it tarnished his credibility, and ultimately he 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:19.800 retired out of the force, having never caught Zodiac and 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:24.160 under a cloud of suspicion that was some of his 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:27.760 own doing. And I know Dave started to go downhill 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:32.760 after that emotionally. Because he investigated over a hundred murders 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:37.000 in his career and had all this attention, Dave had 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:40.760 become a icon of his own. He wore an upside 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:45.480 down shoulder holster, he wore bow ties, He had his 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:49.360 favorite snack, this trademark box of animal crackers, and he 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:52.960 had a persona that was gregarious. He was an Italian kid, 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:56.160 grew up in San Francisco, and you know it's sad 0:07:56.200 --> 0:08:00.920 because he loved the attention. Well, I think it affected 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.760 his work on a day to day basis. I don't 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:07.119 believe he ever did write a zodiac letter. I just don't. 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:08.960 I just know him well enough to know that that 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:13.440 wasn't true. But he became reclusive after that. This much 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:17.120 can be said with certainty. There is no official police 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:20.720 clamp on INSPECTATASKI talking with the media. That matter is 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:23.600 entirely up to him. He would never talk to another 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:27.520 media person besides me. He would tell the story about 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:31.320 going back to the Paul Stein crime scene every year 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.600 on the anniversary to reflect on it, and he was 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:37.920 candid with me about how it ate at him that 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:42.600 he had never caught the guy Dave Toski died on 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:47.200 January six, two eighteen. Toski is survived by his wife, 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:53.240 his two daughters, and two granddaughters. Toski died convinced that 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:56.320 Arthur Lee Allen was the Zodiac and haunted by the 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.719 fact that he was never convicted of the crime. Toskis 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:03.439 story of obsession is familiar for many cold case investigators. 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:06.200 He's not the only one to get swept up in 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:09.480 the Zodiac case, and Arthur Lee Allen wasn't the only 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:14.000 promising suspect. Ed Rust was the Valeo police officer on 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:16.800 duty when Darlene Farren was shot and killed at Blue 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:20.160 Rock Springs Park. For years, there had been no progress 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.720 in the case, but then, through a chance meeting at 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:27.000 a conference, a suspect would finally catch Rust's interest. They 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:29.600 had a guest speaker who was going to do a 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:34.440 presentation on the Zodiac killer, a man named Harvey Hines 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:38.640 h I n e. S. Who was actually a police 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:43.640 officer his investigation. It started out as a term paper 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:47.120 in one of his police classes, and I believe this 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:51.320 was somewhere around it in the early nineteen seventies. He 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:56.920 began investigating the case on his own and became absorbed 0:09:56.920 --> 0:10:00.720 in when I met him. This was in late nineties, 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:03.400 so he had been working on this case and following 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:06.920 it on his own time for all these years and 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:11.800 had developed a suspect he felt was the Zodiac Killer 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:16.880 as a man named Larry Caine. Harvey Hines was absolutely 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:21.400 convinced that Larry Caine was the Zodiac. There is no 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:25.320 question in my mind that my suspect is a Zodiac. 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:31.120 Every fiber, every part of my being tells me that 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:36.400 he is the Zodiac Killer. He had initially identified him 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:40.080 when he went to South Lake Tahoe, where Donna Last 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:44.560 had disappeared. Donna Last was a night shift nurse at 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.839 a casino in Lake Tahoe. She'd recently moved there from 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:53.160 San Francisco, and then on September six, after finishing her 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:57.480 shift at two a m. Last disappeared. The next day, 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.240 a man called her work in her landlord and told 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:03.080 them she left suddenly because of a family emergency and 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:06.640 wouldn't be coming back. But Lass's car was parked in 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:10.120 front of her apartment and there was no family emergency. 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:13.920 Police searched her apartment. They found no signs of struggle 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:17.160 or anything suspicious, but her possessions were all there and 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:21.880 they suspected foul play. Lass was never seen again and 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:27.839 her body was never found. Six months later, on March twenty, 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.679 a postcard arrived at the San Francisco Chronicle with a 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:36.280 zodiac symbol in the corner. It was addressed to reporter 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:40.640 Paul Avery and scrawled writing. Attached to the postcard was 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:44.040 an image a winter scene from a condo development ad 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:50.360 and words clipped for newspapers Sierra Club around in the snow, 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:57.760 sought victim twelve peek through the Pines pass Lake Tahoe Areas. 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:02.719 Police and media quick we connected this postcard with Lass's disappearance, 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:06.160 and Harvey Hines learned in his criminology class that the 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:09.719 crime was still unsolved. Lake Tahoe was only a few 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:13.880 hours away, so he drove out to investigate himself. Hines 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:17.000 went through the Lake Tahoe police records and started collecting 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:21.080 information that he'd later compiled into an extensive report. The 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:24.200 following are excerpts of his report, read by a voice actor. 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:28.320 I reviewed the two South Lake Tahoe supplemental police reports 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:32.720 filed on March. Both subjects came forward after seeing a 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:36.480 television newscast stating the Zodiac Killer had sought his twelfth victim. 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:40.240 In the Tahoe area, two women had filed police reports 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:43.400 after wondering if a strange man they had encountered might 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:46.920 be the Zodiac Killer. The first report was filed by 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:51.280 Mary Highlander, a blackjack dealer. At an eyehap, Mary met 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:54.440 a man with horn rimmed glasses. He offered to read 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:58.119 her horoscope, telling her he was an expert at the zodiac. 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:00.760 He said the reading would take time and asked for 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:03.760 her number. When he called her later, he told her 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:05.679 that he had to give her the reading in person. 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:09.319 Mary arranged to meet him at her house, but something 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:13.199 felt off, so she invited her friend Nancy over. When 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:17.200 the man arrived, he seemed annoyed at Nancy's presence. He 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.640 looked at Nancy, indicating that he wished she would leave 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:22.800 him alone with marrying. Nancy stayed, fearing to leave her 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:25.520 friend alone with the subject. He stated he had recently 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.520 read a chart of a murderer and continued talking about 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:32.400 this subject, seemingly preoccupied with death. The man was very 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:36.160 evasive about questions asked of him by both women, and 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:39.880 another woman reported a strange encounter that also occurred around 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:43.640 the time of Donn Alas's disappearance. That woman, who wished 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:46.560 to remain anonymous, said that a man sat down next 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:48.760 to her at a pizza parlor and struck up a 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:52.920 conversation about zodiac signs. He told her he sold real 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.240 estate and said that a woman he had been watching 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:59.000 at work would quote be sorry for rejecting him. The 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:02.079 anonymous woman at the pizza parlor felt unnerved and made 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:05.600 up an excuse to leave. Hines was intrigued by the 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:09.600 police reports, so we interviewed three of Lass's former co workers. 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:12.640 He asked if there was anyone in Lass's life who 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:15.760 seemed suspicious or had shown a particular interest in her. 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.240 I asked the same basic questions of each person I 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:23.200 spoke with, without exception. Each person promptly gave me the 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:28.880 name of Larry Caine. They all agreed Kine and Donna 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:32.440 las knew each other. They said he was mostly a loner. 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:37.520 They described him as being strange. He was forty five 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:41.240 years old, had dark hair or horned, grimmed glasses, and 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:44.080 had sort of a pot belly. I asked if they 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.480 knew who he worked for now and They stated they 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:50.280 did not know, but thought perhaps for an Alan M. Dorfman, 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.280 the manager of Arizona Real Estate at the time that 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:59.840 the victim, Lass disappeared. Although Haines was working the case 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:02.480 in his free time, he used his connections as a 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:05.680 police officer to determine Kane had moved to Lake Tahoe 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:09.320 from San Francisco right around the time of Lass's disappearance. 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:13.640 Kine had multiple social security numbers and names on file. 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.680 He'd been arrested ten times between nineteen forty six and 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:22.480 nineteen sixty eight, including for battery. A probation report from 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:26.560 nineteen sixty four said Kane had sustained brain damage after 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:29.440 a head on collision with a cement truck. The report 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:32.560 said his injury was serious and that his recent involvements 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:35.840 with the law indicated a quote lack of control in 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:41.200 self gratification, and scientific studies show that people who've experienced 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.800 head trauma can become more likely to commit violent crimes. 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.200 Hines now had a suspect, but he still had no 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:53.320 clue what happened to don Alas he turned back to 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:57.320 the zodiacs card, What did it mean pass Lake Tahoe 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:01.080 areas and why did it say Sierra Club? Were those 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:05.360 phrases clues as to the location of Lassa's body. After 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.200 leaving the police department, I spent several hours studying the 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:11.680 postcard and driving around the lake. I began to notice 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:15.800 several signs marking local ski areas, and the postcard made 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:20.479 a reference to areas. He decided to follow the postcard's directions. 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.920 He drove out of Lake Tahoe, past the ski areas 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:27.560 and spent hours trying to find a location somehow related 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:31.440 to the Sierra Club. I drove north of Lake Tahoe 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:34.200 and found the Claire Tap and Lodge and was a 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:37.920 private club for Sierra Club members. Only after getting out 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:40.480 of my car and walking up the driveway, I realized 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:42.840 the scene was not unlike the picture depicted on the 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:47.960 Zodiac postcard. I took pictures of the area without making 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:51.000 contact with anyone at the club. I then left and 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:54.240 returned to my motel room. I believed if I followed 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:57.760 the directions on the postcard, I would find Donna Lass's grave. 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:22.320 I believed she was buried near see A Club. Hines 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.240 had now identified Kine as a suspect, and he had 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:29.639 located a Sierra club outside Tahoe that matched the postcards description, 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:34.520 so Hines returned to the club to investigate. He learned 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:38.320 that the town's old postmaster, Mr. Fredericks, had stumbled upon 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:40.800 a strange area out in the woods behind the club. 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.560 Frederick said he thought it was a burial site made 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:46.919 out of logs. He described it to me as a 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:50.399 circle fourteen ft in diameter, and within the circle was 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:53.280 a six ft by six ft square with a triangle 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:58.200 within all these made by careful placement of locks. Within 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:01.119 the triangle was across like that of a grave marker 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:05.399 made from thirteen stones. Mr Fredericks related that he was 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.200 very frightened, but he was convinced it was a grave 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:12.040 site and took pictures of him. The postmaster led Hines 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:15.520 out to the site. We dug a cone shaped hole 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:17.720 within the center of the six by six foot area 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:21.359 to a depth of approximately four to five ft. No 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:25.119 human remains were located, However, indications were that at some 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:28.320 earlier point in time, the ground had been disturbed down 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:31.920 several feet. At this point, because of lack of time, 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:36.840 I had to return to Sonaro, but Hines wasn't ready 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:39.520 to give up. He was still convinced that Caine was 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:45.200 the promising suspect. Hines learned that shortly after Lass's disappearance, 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:48.840 Kine had moved to Las Vegas, and so Hines too 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:52.440 went to Las Vegas to investigate. He asked law enforcement 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:55.639 there if any crimes in the area had matched the zodiacs. 0:18:55.800 --> 0:19:01.120 M O Sergeant Anderson related the following information. On Sunday, 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:06.520 April seventy four, at approximately ten thirty six pm, victim 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:09.800 Lull accompanied by her boyfriend Roy. We're in a lover's 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:14.159 Lane area of Red Rock Canyon. Well. They were parked. 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:20.520 A vehicle approached from the rear. According to the boyfriend, 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:23.439 the car was a white convertible with a black cloth 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:26.720 top and it was missing its front grill. A man 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:30.240 got out of the convertible and approached their car. He 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:35.000 was wearing horn roomed glasses and black gloves, and he 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:41.480 was holding a pistol. He then ordered Roy and Lull 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:44.679 out of their vehicle at gunpoint. Roy complied, but the 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:48.159 victim remained in the vehicle. The suspect then went to 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:51.719 the passenger side to remove the victim. While he was occupied. 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:56.360 Roy fled and hid in a ditch. The suspect coerced 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:59.760 Lull into his car and drove off. That night, in 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:04.320 identified man called Lowell's parents and told them, your daughter's dead. 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:08.719 Two weeks later, Lowell's body was found. She'd been dropped 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:11.399 down a mine shaft a hundred and twenty five miles 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:15.600 away in San Bernardino County, California, and it appears Lull's 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:19.280 killer may have barely escaped capture, at least according to 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:23.680 an investigative technique that has become controversial, a NI County 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:26.040 deputy sheriff who felt he had made a stop on 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:30.199 the suspect's vehicle, was placed under hypnosis and recounted the 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:35.320 following information. The vehicle bore a California license plate. The 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:38.320 deputy recalled the suspect getting out of his vehicle. He 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:41.840 described the driver as being heavily tanned, wearing a sports 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:46.399 type jacket, horn rimmed glasses, and black leather gloves. He 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:49.199 further related there seemed to be something strange about the 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:53.200 female passenger. He stated she was very still and never 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:56.240 turned around to look in his direction or made any movement. 0:20:56.960 --> 0:20:59.520 The encounter took place in the middle of a desert, 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:02.960 out side of radio range, so the deputy hadn't called 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:06.240 in the man's license plate, and no bulletin had been 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:10.520 issued about Lull's abduction because police had initially been skeptical 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:14.119 of her boyfriend's story, so the deputy let the man 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:19.760 go with just a warning. A month later, the boyfriend 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:22.480 thought he spotted the killer at the Spring Inn and 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:26.359 called the police, but by the time the police arrived, 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:31.080 the suspect had left. Hines looked to see if Kane 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:34.160 could be connected to this killing. He discovered that Kane 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:38.480 lived just down the road from the Spring Inn. What's more, 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:42.360 Heinz said that Kane's old boss, Alan Dorfman, told him 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:46.040 that Kane often went to the Spring Inn, and according 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:49.240 to d MV records, Kane had owned a white convertible 0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:52.320 with a black cloth top at the time of Lull's murder. 0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:58.440 Heinz suspected Kane was responsible for the murders of both 0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:01.840 Donna Lass and Dana Law. He felt it all lined 0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:05.320 up too well to be a coincidence. The horn rimmed glasses, 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:09.199 the white convertible, the sighting at the Spring Inn. But 0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:13.400 even if Kane killed Lass and Lull, was he the zodiac? 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:18.720 As Hines continued to investigate the coincidences piled higher and higher. 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:21.840 Kane had not only been living in San Francisco during 0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:25.000 the Zodiac murders, but he lived just a few blocks 0:22:25.000 --> 0:22:27.959 away from where cab driver Paul Stein had picked up 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:31.600 the Zodiac. He had traded in a car six days 0:22:31.680 --> 0:22:35.200 after Darlene Ferron was murdered in Valleo and acquired a 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:39.000 Tan Sedan similar to the car used to abduct Kathleen 0:22:39.119 --> 0:22:43.479 John's in her infant daughter. And it wasn't just Kane's 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:46.879 whereabouts and his vehicles that seemed to line up. Some 0:22:47.000 --> 0:22:51.159 of the suspected Zodiac victims, like Kathleen John's, thought Kane 0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:54.600 was the Zodiac. John's identified Kane out of the lineup 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:58.040 of eighteen photos. I asked, are you sure, and she 0:22:58.119 --> 0:23:01.080 said yes, And it's not just my eyes telling me 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:04.320 I know it in here. And she clenched her blouse 0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:07.360 with her fingers, nodding into a fist and pushing into 0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:18.439 the pit of her stomach. I'm dest behind and I'm 0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:23.119 her behind son. When I was growing up, my dad 0:23:23.240 --> 0:23:26.320 was talking about the Zodiac since as early as I 0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:30.280 can remember. In the later nineties, that's when I actually 0:23:30.600 --> 0:23:33.320 started paying more attention to it, and my father and 0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:35.800 I had sat down and started looking at the Prince 0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:42.280 the fingerprints from the Lake Berryessa killings. After stabbing Cecilia 0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:45.960 Shepherd and Brian Hartnell at Lake Berryessa, the Zodiac wrote 0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:48.320 the dates of his killings and his symbol on the 0:23:48.320 --> 0:23:51.359 door of their car. Apparently he had kind of squatted 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:55.280 in his left hand left four prints on the window 0:23:55.320 --> 0:23:58.800 of the Karma Ghia. So my dad had those prints 0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:03.040 and his suspect, Lawrence Kane. Larry Kane, he had been 0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:06.440 arrested for being a peeping tom and so my dad 0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:09.280 had the booking prints from that. I scanned them in 0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:13.119 and used Photoshop to kind of overlay and align the Prince, 0:24:13.880 --> 0:24:20.320 and what we saw was very distinct, very convincing matchup 0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:23.840 of those prints. So my dad made an appointment with 0:24:24.160 --> 0:24:27.000 one of the investigators at the Vallejo Police Department and 0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:28.520 we went up there and met with him and we 0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:33.160 showed him the Prince, and he said that they weren't 0:24:33.200 --> 0:24:36.600 able to confirm that it was Larry Kane or that 0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:41.040 the Prince match, but it also didn't discount them, so 0:24:41.080 --> 0:24:43.800 in other words, it could very well have been the 0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:47.520 same person. But there just wasn't enough print evidence there 0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:51.520 to be able to make a definite match. We wanted 0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:54.919 to know just how good this fingerprint evidence was, so 0:24:54.960 --> 0:24:58.080 we spoke to Dr Kimberly Moran. She's the director of 0:24:58.119 --> 0:25:01.840 forensic Science at Rutger's univer City Camden. We sent Dr 0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:05.160 Moran a digital version of Kane's booking fingerprints from when 0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:08.120 he was arrested and the latent prints from the car 0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:11.960 at Lake Bury Essa. I'm basically flicking back and forth 0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:17.200 between the booking print and the latent prints. So looking 0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:20.400 at the latent fingerprints, they are pretty poor for glass 0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:23.920 because glass is usually a great substrate and these are 0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:29.800 very very faint. So is there enough data within that fingerprint? 0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:32.400 Can you see enough of the ridges and the individual 0:25:32.480 --> 0:25:37.880 ridge flow. I mean, the right little finger I would 0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:42.520 rank as no value, The right ring finger I would say, yes, 0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:44.560 it has value. I can definitely see that this is 0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:51.800 a world. I can count individual ridges. The right middle finger. Yes, 0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:55.560