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<v Speaker 1>You are listening to Bloomberg Business Week, and we've really

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<v Speaker 1>been looking forward to this conversation for a number of reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>Our guest is Dr Shirley Kyoto. She's the president of

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<v Speaker 1>Ithaca College, and she comes on the recommendation of one

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<v Speaker 1>of a really good friend to this show, Michael Ainsley,

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<v Speaker 1>I also full disclosure, was talking about her with one

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<v Speaker 1>of her students, a rising junior that is Mark Scaglione.

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<v Speaker 1>He lives right here in my neighborhood. Speaks very highly

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<v Speaker 1>and I think he has worked with Dr Koyato on

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of different projects. So Dr Kyoto, President Kyato,

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<v Speaker 1>really nice to have you here with Caroline myself. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. It's great to join you. Jason, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much. So back to school it's happening. Tell us

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<v Speaker 1>about putting together this plan. Um, you're gonna bring everybody back,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe October five. Tell us how that came about?

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<v Speaker 1>And what you're thinking about is that gets closer and closer? Sure? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>first and foremost I should underscore you're you're both aware

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<v Speaker 1>of this, but this is such an unpreced ended and

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<v Speaker 1>historical time for our sector of education and for our

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<v Speaker 1>nation and world right, and so everything that we've been

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<v Speaker 1>doing has been methodical and metrics based and certainly guided

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<v Speaker 1>by the State of New York and the leadership of

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<v Speaker 1>Governor Cuomo so Yes. Sethica College has taken a different

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<v Speaker 1>approach than some of what you might have heard from

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<v Speaker 1>other colleges starting a bit earlier. We've largely done that

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure that one we're fully ready too, that

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<v Speaker 1>we're aligned with the state, and we have yet to

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<v Speaker 1>receive guidelines from the State of New York. We hope

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<v Speaker 1>to be getting those soon. And then we really believe

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<v Speaker 1>that in order to deliver a residential education, we want

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<v Speaker 1>the large experience of that to be in person, and

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<v Speaker 1>so we thought that this would allow us to do

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<v Speaker 1>that in a way that would give us the room

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<v Speaker 1>to fully prepare for, as you know, a really uncertain

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<v Speaker 1>future for so many of us. It's not been an

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<v Speaker 1>easy stance to take now of it, No, not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the a lot of academics don't think about

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<v Speaker 1>what we do as a business. But it goes without saying,

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<v Speaker 1>right we we are in the middle of a pandemic

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<v Speaker 1>crisis with high school students and transfers and young people

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<v Speaker 1>all around the country that didn't have graduation, that didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have prom college students who didn't finish out, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>um their accolades and athletics and major, major accomplishments in

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<v Speaker 1>their school years. And here we are finding ourselves trying

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<v Speaker 1>to look at multiple scenarios on the financial side, on

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<v Speaker 1>the academic side, and I think for residential colleges, especially

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<v Speaker 1>with us being in the state of New York where

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<v Speaker 1>really COVID nineteen has been, uh really the epicenter has

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<v Speaker 1>been here in our state. It's been a remarkable time,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're really trying to do right by our students

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<v Speaker 1>and families, but very challenging to say the least. What

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<v Speaker 1>are your worries if longer term you stay, if you

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<v Speaker 1>did not bring back students, what are your concerns? Is

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<v Speaker 1>it viability of the institution itself? Well, what are your

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<v Speaker 1>what are your worries and your concerns. That's a great question, Carol.

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<v Speaker 1>It's some, it's their numerous concerns. One is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>our hearts are heavy for young people across the country

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<v Speaker 1>who may not be able to experience college the way

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<v Speaker 1>that um I certainly did as a first generation college student,

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<v Speaker 1>which was transformative. But the reality is, you know, we're

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<v Speaker 1>hunkering down here. We're very clear, and it's we're going

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<v Speaker 1>into eyes wide open as an enrollment dependent, comprehensive college

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<v Speaker 1>in New York, state of all places, UH, in a

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<v Speaker 1>saturated higher ed market where we're already boldly thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>reconfiguring our future. We have to in order for what

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<v Speaker 1>we do to really stay strong. But the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that what we worry most about is this

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<v Speaker 1>is going to look so differently permanently for so many people,

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<v Speaker 1>especially our students and our faculty and staff and the

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<v Speaker 1>people who serve them. And I would say the other worry,

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<v Speaker 1>and you probably have heard this from our our great

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<v Speaker 1>mayor Savante Myrick, is you know we're a college. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we sit on South Hill and beautiful Isoca, New York,

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<v Speaker 1>but we share this community with Cornell University, with Tompkins

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<v Speaker 1>Cortland Community College, with small business owners and incredible people.

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<v Speaker 1>And if our students don't come back to these three

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<v Speaker 1>major institutions in central New York, it really is devastating

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<v Speaker 1>to this entire community. And so we want to we

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<v Speaker 1>want to play our part well. And Dr I want

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<v Speaker 1>to go back to something he said, because I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's really important, and I think it does, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>get to your own experience. Because one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that I think maybe many people that overlooked when everyone

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<v Speaker 1>sort of was sent home very suddenly from lots of

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<v Speaker 1>colleges across the country was that, you know, it's one

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<v Speaker 1>thing if you grew up in a very affluent household

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<v Speaker 1>and you just sort of, you know, go back to

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<v Speaker 1>your suburb and you go back to your you know,

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<v Speaker 1>childhood bedroom, and you know, maybe you're annoying your parents

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit or vice versa. But you know, for

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<v Speaker 1>so many people across this country, and I think, and

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<v Speaker 1>and please keep me honest here, you experienced this. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you said it. It was transformative, and so that opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>is not just about you know, I'm going to go

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<v Speaker 1>off to school, but this is, you know, something that

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<v Speaker 1>will set the course of your life. It's life changing,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely absolutely, and I'm I'm so glad that you um

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<v Speaker 1>have raised this issue. It's our most vulnerable students, UM

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<v Speaker 1>when you think about the reality of who gets to

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<v Speaker 1>go to college in the first place. And as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I made my way down to Nashville to

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<v Speaker 1>Vanderbout University as a posse scholar, as a first generation

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<v Speaker 1>college student, born and raised in Brooklyn, New York. UM

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<v Speaker 1>on a Greyhound bus with four of the kids twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six hours later, you know, site unseen, no college tour, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, no big els and whistles. And our moms

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<v Speaker 1>left us there a few hours later and got back

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<v Speaker 1>on that bus and headed up back to New York.

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<v Speaker 1>And I now serve as a trustee at Vanderbilt and

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<v Speaker 1>sitting in this seat, you know, which is incredible. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>it's surreal at times to have this this position, um

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<v Speaker 1>and atisfca. We're incredibly proud that over of our students

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<v Speaker 1>received financial aid, and those numbers are changing drastically, as

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in the face of COVID nineteen. Family members

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<v Speaker 1>that are facing not only real health crises, but financial

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<v Speaker 1>challenges that will require more financial aid for students, more support.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're absolutely right, there are students who are sitting

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<v Speaker 1>all around the country and world right now that actually

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<v Speaker 1>don't have the advantages of all the kinds of things

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<v Speaker 1>that secure residential college environment offers. Yeah, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>very deep conversation and something we've been talking a lot

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<v Speaker 1>about the educational community. Um, we're going to continue our conversation. Shirley,

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<v Speaker 1>hang on for a second and we'll come back. We

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<v Speaker 1>do a little bit of news. We're talking with Dr

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<v Speaker 1>Shirley Kyato, she's president of Ithaca College, on the phone

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<v Speaker 1>from Ithaca, and Jason, I do think about this. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>what happens who gets left behind? If, first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't go back to school. Um, what if these

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<v Speaker 1>schools start to go away? Like what happens longer term?

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<v Speaker 1>Who gets who gets left behind? Again? All these things

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<v Speaker 1>are interconnected, right, And the absolutely education wealth gap, all

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<v Speaker 1>the things we've been talking about, the things we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about with Jim else, things we talked about with John yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all of a piece. So we're gonna containue that conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Bloomberg Business Week Carl Master along with

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Kelly, and our guest at this hour is Dr

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<v Speaker 1>Shirley Kyato, president of Ithaca College. She's also a professor

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<v Speaker 1>in Ithaca's Department of Psychology, and she's with us on

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<v Speaker 1>the phone from Ithaca, New York. And we've been talking

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<v Speaker 1>about reopening the school. And you know, Dr Koyato, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean there's so much going on. I feel like obviously

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<v Speaker 1>the last thirteen week because of the virus, but also

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<v Speaker 1>the last three weeks UM in terms of the conversation

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<v Speaker 1>around racism in America and injustices once again being laid

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<v Speaker 1>bare in our society. And I just wonder, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>how how you see it and how you approach it, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and how we need to think about things differently so

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<v Speaker 1>that we bring about change that actually really happens and

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just talk. Yeah, well, Carol, that's a really

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<v Speaker 1>rich and and necessary question at this time, especially for

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<v Speaker 1>those of us thinking about activating education and character development

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<v Speaker 1>and a sense of agency. UM. It goes without saying,

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening in America right now, UM is incredible, but

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<v Speaker 1>sadly not a surprise to to me and many of

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<v Speaker 1>my friends and colleagues. You know, the position we've taken

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<v Speaker 1>at a college we just launched, believe it or not,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the first year of the implementation of our

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<v Speaker 1>really ambitious and affirming strategic plan. It's called distica Forever,

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<v Speaker 1>And at the very center of that is this issue

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<v Speaker 1>of social justice and equity, accountability and respect. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe very firmly. If you're in the business of

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<v Speaker 1>educating young people from all walks of life and putting

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<v Speaker 1>them together in an environment where they normally would not

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<v Speaker 1>select each other as friends, we carry a great responsibility

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<v Speaker 1>in creating a space that's not just about talking, it's

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<v Speaker 1>about doing. It's about um having more responsibility beyond self.

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<v Speaker 1>And I am very concerned we actually have created virtual

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<v Speaker 1>um options for our students to be in dialogue and

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<v Speaker 1>reflect and act with us. But we know that if

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<v Speaker 1>we are fortunate enough to successfully reopen this issue is

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<v Speaker 1>not something where immune to. It's something that's dead center

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<v Speaker 1>at the center of law. College campuses in America essentially

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<v Speaker 1>act as right many ecosystems over reality. So you have

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<v Speaker 1>to face those things honestly and boldly, and they have

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<v Speaker 1>to be I think very clearly about everybody having a

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<v Speaker 1>stake in the conversation. This is not just about Black

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<v Speaker 1>America or folks of color. This is about all of

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<v Speaker 1>us collectively saying this is not okay anymore, and we

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<v Speaker 1>must change what's happening. Well, and Dr Coryato is something

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<v Speaker 1>that feels like is becoming clear and clear, is that

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<v Speaker 1>we all need to be a little more comfortable, being uncomfortable,

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<v Speaker 1>and also uh, facing things that are traumatic in some

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<v Speaker 1>ways and then being able to deal with with that

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<v Speaker 1>trauma and help other people, uh, deal deal with that trauma.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that that's part of your training. You understand

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<v Speaker 1>that clinically as a psychologist, and so I wonder how

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<v Speaker 1>you apply that as you think about this not just

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<v Speaker 1>as an administrator, but as someone who you know ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>you know has a lot of students to care for. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that point, Chase. And you know, first and foremost,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to accept that this is a trauma. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a multigenerational trauma that's been endured in our country

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<v Speaker 1>for centuries. And so if we don't face that first

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<v Speaker 1>and recognize students are coming back to these environments from

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<v Speaker 1>their communities and they're on fire about this. And a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of students are also uncomfortable. They're unsure about what

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<v Speaker 1>position they even have in the conversation. So we're really

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<v Speaker 1>invested in how do you create brave spaces you know

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<v Speaker 1>who that don't always feel safe, but they feel brave,

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<v Speaker 1>they feel firming to have those difficult conversations and recognize that, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is actually a truly traumatic experience on a on

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<v Speaker 1>a national scale, and it's very real for many many people.

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<v Speaker 1>What are the steps that you would advise an organization

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<v Speaker 1>that we need to start taking, if we're not already,

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<v Speaker 1>um to make a difference so that maybe, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>white individuals understand what black individuals have been going through,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think there's really, on some level, not a

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<v Speaker 1>real understanding of what it's me what it's meant to

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<v Speaker 1>be a Black American. I I agree with you that

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<v Speaker 1>there's not a real understanding about that. And Carol, it's

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting position, you know, and I still appreciate this opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>But here I am. You know, I identify as an

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<v Speaker 1>Afro Latina. My father is a Black Dominican, and um,

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<v Speaker 1>my mother's Dominican as well. I'm I'm married to an

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<v Speaker 1>African American male, and um, I'm at a school that's

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<v Speaker 1>predominantly white and has been historically white for some time,

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<v Speaker 1>but has dramatically shifted in terms of its composition at

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<v Speaker 1>the senior leadership level, at the board level, and at

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<v Speaker 1>the student level. Yet we're not immune to the reality

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<v Speaker 1>that there's a lot of structural things that are still

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<v Speaker 1>in place. So my Lens, I think, you know, as

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<v Speaker 1>a woman of color, as a psychologist, but also someone

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<v Speaker 1>who hasn't intentionally come to this place, this incredible college,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think we're ready to deal with this front

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<v Speaker 1>and center. And I would say, Carol organizationally, I think

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<v Speaker 1>one of the biggest mistakes that many organizations have made,

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<v Speaker 1>but certainly higher ed, is we have dealt with this

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<v Speaker 1>issue as an add on, as a special thing, as

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<v Speaker 1>a peripheral issue. The heart of work is developing actually

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<v Speaker 1>real systems from the center that are about full participation

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<v Speaker 1>for all and really practicing anti racist right activity. That's

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<v Speaker 1>that's very serious, and that's harder to do, especially if

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<v Speaker 1>you're leading something that has had centuries of um being

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<v Speaker 1>very traditional, being very proud of of preserving that history.

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<v Speaker 1>And our students are saying we gotta shift. That's not okay.

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<v Speaker 1>When I'm with them, I love that idea, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's a big one. You know, it can't just

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<v Speaker 1>be an add on. It's much bigger, and the ability

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<v Speaker 1>more than the comfort level to say that's not okay. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a really good point. Well, we really

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyed this. Thank you so much. Dr Shirley Kyoto, president

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<v Speaker 1>of Ithaca College up in Ithacauld, New York. A tough job,

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<v Speaker 1>but a really really important one. Best of luck to her.

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<v Speaker 1>We look forward to catching up in the fall, as

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<v Speaker 1>things get back to some sense of normal