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Speaker 1: Our guest is Dr Shirley Kyoto. She's the president of

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Speaker 1: I also full disclosure, was talking about her with one

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Speaker 1: He lives right here in my neighborhood. Speaks very highly

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Speaker 1: really nice to have you here with Caroline myself. Oh,

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Speaker 1: thank you. It's great to join you. Jason, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. So back to school it's happening. Tell us

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Speaker 1: about putting together this plan. Um, you're gonna bring everybody back,

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Speaker 1: I believe October five. Tell us how that came about?

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Speaker 1: And what you're thinking about is that gets closer and closer? Sure? Well,

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Speaker 1: first and foremost I should underscore you're you're both aware

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Speaker 1: of this, but this is such an unpreced ended and

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Speaker 1: historical time for our sector of education and for our

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Speaker 1: by the State of New York and the leadership of

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Speaker 1: Governor Cuomo so Yes. Sethica College has taken a different

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Speaker 1: approach than some of what you might have heard from

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Speaker 1: that in order to deliver a residential education, we want

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Speaker 1: so we thought that this would allow us to do

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Speaker 1: future for so many of us. It's not been an

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Speaker 1: easy stance to take now of it, No, not at all.

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Speaker 1: You know, the a lot of academics don't think about

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Speaker 1: what we do as a business. But it goes without saying,

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Speaker 1: um their accolades and athletics and major, major accomplishments in

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Speaker 1: to look at multiple scenarios on the financial side, on

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Speaker 1: are your worries if longer term you stay, if you

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Speaker 1: it viability of the institution itself? Well, what are your

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Speaker 1: what are your worries and your concerns. That's a great question, Carol.

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Speaker 1: It's some, it's their numerous concerns. One is, you know,

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Speaker 1: the senior leadership level, at the board level, and at

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Speaker 1: the student level. Yet we're not immune to the reality

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Speaker 1: who hasn't intentionally come to this place, this incredible college,

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Speaker 1: because I think we're ready to deal with this front

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Speaker 1: and center. And I would say, Carol organizationally, I think

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Speaker 1: one of the biggest mistakes that many organizations have made,

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Speaker 1: but certainly higher ed, is we have dealt with this

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Speaker 1: issue as an add on, as a special thing, as

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Speaker 1: a peripheral issue. The heart of work is developing actually

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Speaker 1: real systems from the center that are about full participation

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Speaker 1: for all and really practicing anti racist right activity. That's

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Speaker 1: that's very serious, and that's harder to do, especially if

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Speaker 1: you're leading something that has had centuries of um being

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Speaker 1: And our students are saying we gotta shift. That's not okay.

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Speaker 1: When I'm with them, I love that idea, and I

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Speaker 1: think that's a big one. You know, it can't just

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Speaker 1: be an add on. It's much bigger, and the ability

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Speaker 1: I think that's a really good point. Well, we really

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Speaker 1: enjoyed this. Thank you so much. Dr Shirley Kyoto, president

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Speaker 1: of Ithaca College up in Ithacauld, New York. A tough job,

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Speaker 1: but a really really important one. Best of luck to her.

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Speaker 1: We look forward to catching up in the fall, as

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Speaker 1: things get back to some sense of normal