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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Kitty Kuric and this is next question.

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Speaker 1: As twenty eight year old Ali Phillips tells it, She's

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Speaker 1: just a regular working mom to Alleie, her six year

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Speaker 1: old daughter. Allie runs a daycare center from her home

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Speaker 1: and never considered herself to be a political person. Then

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Speaker 1: came Allie's second pregnancy, which involved life threatening complications for

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Speaker 1: her and no chance of survival for her baby. As

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Speaker 1: Allie was scrambling to secure an abortion in a state

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Speaker 1: other than her native Tennessee, where abortions were banned, Miley,

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Speaker 1: the name she had given her second daughter, died in utero.

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Speaker 1: To say the whole ordeal was traumatic doesn't even begin

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Speaker 1: to describe what Ali and her family went through. When

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Speaker 1: who told her that he hadn't thought of situations like

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Speaker 1: She was dumbfounded by his ignorance, so she decided she

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Speaker 1: needed to do more. She's running for office, and she's

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Speaker 1: suing Tennessee with the help of the Center for Reproductive Rights.

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Speaker 1: Ali's story is both harrowing and inspiring, and shows in

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Speaker 1: no longer has access to abortion care. Here's Ali in

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Speaker 1: her own words.

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Speaker 2: My name is Ali Phillips. I'm twenty eight years old

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Speaker 2: and I live in Tennessee. I grew up here in Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: I've been here my whole life. We actually grew up

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Speaker 2: in a very small town, so everybody knew everybody. You

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Speaker 2: couldn't do anything without the neighbor knowing. And growing up,

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Speaker 2: that relationship ended shortly after she was born. She was

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Speaker 2: was going into my last semester of college the time

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Speaker 2: three jobs to one make sure my daughter had her

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Speaker 2: formula because she had a lot of digestive issues. Had

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Speaker 2: by the expense to formula, and I was on wick

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Speaker 2: to alleviate some of the costs, but she wouldn't take

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Speaker 1: Your husband, Brian Lynch, has been a wonderful stepfather to Adalie,

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Speaker 1: which is so great because it sounds as if it

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Speaker 1: was quite a struggle for you as a single mom

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Speaker 1: your now husband, Brian must have been a relief for you,

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and he actually grew up with a single mom.

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Speaker 2: He's never met his father, and that is something that

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Speaker 2: he has devoted his life to Addalie is making sure

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Speaker 2: has taken it with so much grace and so much patience.

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Speaker 2: And so we started thinking about girl names, and I

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Speaker 1: You all were very excited about this baby girl.

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Speaker 2: We were ecstatic. We were My parents were excited because

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Speaker 2: So we went to our nineteen week anatomy scan, and

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Speaker 2: diagnosed as semi lobar holoprosencephale and semi lowbar HPE. Only

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Speaker 2: Hearing all that information, it was it was like a

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Speaker 2: started to go fundme. And at first I didn't want

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00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 2: to start to go fund me because it wasn't anybody

434
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 2: else's problem but mine. I want people to think I

435
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: was being just taking money from people from my situation.

436
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 2: But it got to the point that I was like

437
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 2: if I don't get to New York, I don't know

438
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 2: what's going to happen to me. And so I bit

439
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 2: the bullet and I started to gofund me and I

440
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 2: shared it online and my followers matched the goal the

441
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 2: same day even exceeded the goal, and so we were

442
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 2: able to book our round trip airfare. We were able

443
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 2: to pay for the abortion, and everything was covered. All

444
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 2: costs were covered, and I was able. We were both

445
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 2: able to take that week off of work. That's another

446
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 2: thing is we both had to take that week off

447
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 2: of work, which is two weeks technically of a paycheck

448
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 2: being cut from us. So the cost is very damaging

449
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: for low income families. And that is something I've talked

450
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: about with these abortion bands, is these affect low income

451
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 2: families because if you're wealthy enough, you can just go

452
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 2: out of state and it's not going to hurt your

453
00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 2: bank account. But for us, it's a big ask. My

454
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 2: husband flew to New York together, Ada Lee stayed with

455
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: my parents in Nashville, and we got to New York

456
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 2: City on that Monday in March seventh was my appointment.

457
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 2: I had to go to that appointment alone because a

458
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 2: lot of abortion clinics are patient only, one for privacy

459
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 2: and two to just kind of keep the traffic inside

460
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 2: the clinic down. So I had to leave my husband

461
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 2: behind at the apartment we were at, and then I

462
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 2: went to the clinic. I was told i'd be there

463
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 2: for about five or six hours that day, so to

464
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: plan for a long day, and so I started the

465
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 2: day doing blood work, just random things that you need

466
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 2: to do if you're going to be going under anesthesia.

467
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 2: And I was there for a couple hours when I

468
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 2: was called back to do my sonogram. They do the

469
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: sonogram before the abortion to make sure they're charging the

470
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 2: correct amount for the feet of size, and because I

471
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 2: was twenty weeks but she was measuring it fifteen weeks,

472
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 2: they just wanted to make sure they were charging me correctly.

473
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 2: And so I went in and we started the ultrasound.

474
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: And the difference between this ultrasound and the ones before

475
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 2: is ultrasounds before you have the technician next to you

476
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 2: and the sonogram machine, but then there's a TV in

477
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 2: front of you so you can see what the technician

478
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 2: is seeing. In this room, there was no TV. I

479
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: was just facing a brick wall, and for a moment,

480
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 2: I was like, why is there not a TV in here?

481
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 2: Because I was looking forward to seeing Miley again one

482
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: last time. But then it kind of clicked in my

483
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: head that some women may not want to see and

484
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 2: I understood, and so I lay there and I just

485
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 2: stare at the ceiling and she starts the ultrasound and

486
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 2: she quickly asks me when my last ultrasound was. I

487
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 2: told her it was about a week and three days prior,

488
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 2: and she was like, okay, and there was a heartbeat then,

489
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: and I said, yeah, there was a heartbeat. I went

490
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 2: and got it saved in a little bunny and she

491
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 2: was like, oh, okay, and then she was just quiet

492
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 2: and I looked at her. I was like, is there

493
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 2: not a heartbeat? And she said, no, ma'am, there's not.

494
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 2: And so I sat up and I looked at her

495
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 2: screen while she still had the wand on my stomach,

496
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 2: and I said, why she's not moving and she goes, no, ma'am,

497
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 2: she's not. And then I just it immediately hit me

498
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: and I just cried, and I cried out loud like

499
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: a mom does when she finds out that her she

500
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 2: just lost her child. I'm sorry, And this technician helped

501
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: me and she cried with me, and she told me,

502
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 2: in all the years that she's worked there, she's never

503
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 2: had a telewoman that her baby was already gone. And

504
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: so she looked at me and she said, I need

505
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: to go get the doctor and tell him what I found,

506
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 2: if you don't mind just going back to the waiting

507
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: room for a moment. So instead of going into the

508
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: waiting room, I walked out of the clinic. The clinic

509
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 2: was an on a sixth floor of a skyscraper, and

510
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 2: I walked out of the clinic into the hallway where

511
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: the elevators are, and I sat down in a corner

512
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: of that hallway and I called my husband and I

513
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: had to tell my husband over the phone that his

514
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: daughter was gone. And at the time I didn't really

515
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 2: think about this, but afterwards I realized that yes, I

516
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 2: was alone in that clinic, but I was surrounded by

517
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: nurses and doctors that were able to comfort me. My

518
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 2: husband was completely and utterly alone in that room at

519
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: the apartment we were at. And so I told him

520
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 2: that she was gone, and I heard his voice crack

521
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: and tell me that he would he would talk to

522
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 2: me later, that he needed to go, and so he

523
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: hung up the phone, and I called my mom because

524
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 2: my mom was waiting for updates, and I told her

525
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: what happened, and she said to me, Honey, I am

526
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: so sorry, but I think this is the best gift

527
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 2: Miley could have given you, because you went to New

528
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: York with so much doubt and so much guilt about

529
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 2: the decision you were making, that she took all of

530
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 2: that away from you. Because I did go to New

531
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: York with guilt, because I let people online get in

532
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: my head saying doctors are wrong all the time, that

533
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 2: their pregnancy was deemed incompatible, but their babies tend now

534
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: and doing great, and I just got in my head, like,

535
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: what if my doctor's wrong? What if I'm making the

536
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 2: wrong decision here? What if I'm prematurely ending her life

537
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 2: when she could be okay? And so my mom said

538
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 2: that she took all of that away from me, and

539
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,959
Speaker 2: she went on her own. And it still sucked at

540
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 2: the time, but now I'm grateful that that happened because

541
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 2: I don't have to live with that guilt anymore. My

542
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: doctors were right, she wasn't compatible, and she showed us that.

543
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 2: So within the next light ten to fifteen minutes, I

544
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 2: was called back. I was called back to speak to

545
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 2: the doctor, and the first thing he said to me was,

546
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: I don't want you to blame yourself. I know you're

547
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: blaming yourself right now, but please know there was nothing

548
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 2: you could have done differently to change this outcome. But

549
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: then he continued to say, because my last confirmed fetal

550
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 2: heartbeat was almost two weeks ago, there's a two week

551
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: window when a fetus dies that when your body doesn't

552
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: recognize it, you're now at risk for blood cloths, infections,

553
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,239
Speaker 2: and going septic. And since they can't confirm when her

554
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: heart actually stopped, they have to go off the last

555
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 2: fetal heart beat. And so he said that because of

556
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: that risk, I was now at a higher risk because

557
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: I was closer to that two weeks that they wanted

558
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: to push my abortion that same day instead of the

559
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 2: next day. So he did a pelvic exam, a quick

560
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 2: pelvic exam to feel my cervix, and he said that

561
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: my servix is very hard. Normally, they give you a

562
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: cervix softener to go home with and take the night before,

563
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: and he said that due to my cervix being so hard,

564
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: they're going to try, but they may not be able

565
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: to get through my cervix today and if that's the case,

566
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: they'll give me the medication and the spacers to go

567
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 2: home and then come back first thing the next morning.

568
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 2: So I was going into the surgery not knowing if

569
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: it was going to be successful or not. After he

570
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 2: said that it was very quick, I went and signed

571
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 2: paperwork for the anesthesia. I had to undress and put

572
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 2: a gown on, and then I was in the surgery

573
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 2: room and I climbed up in the bed and the

574
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 2: anesthesia anesthesiologist came in and told me that I was

575
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 2: going to go to sleep, and that's what I did,

576
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: and I woke up, not in the same room, not

577
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: in the same bed, and there was a nurse standing

578
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: next to me. And immediately when I woke up, I

579
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: felt the pain in my lower abdomen, and she said,

580
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: miss Phillips, how are you feeling? And I said, I'm

581
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: in a lot of pain and she said that is normal.

582
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: And then I cut her off and I said was

583
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: the surgery successful? She said, yes, man, the surgery was successful.

584
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: And I said, so I'm not pregnant anymore. She goes, no, ma'am,

585
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: you're not. And then of course I just started crying

586
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 2: again because that reality hit that I came to New

587
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: York pregnant and I was leaving I was leaving not pregnant.

588
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: When I got back home from New York. Postpartum depression

589
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: hits whether you had your baby or not, and I've

590
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,959
Speaker 2: already struggled with depression since I was fourteen. I've been

591
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: on medication for it, so my mental health was already

592
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: in a rough space getting back from New York. I

593
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 2: ended up taking an extra week from the daycare center

594
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: I run from my home because I just couldn't function

595
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 2: as a person and I was struggling with suicidal thoughts.

596
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: I didn't want to be in a world without Miley

597
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 2: and my daycare I took care of four kids under

598
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: the age of three, so one of them being an

599
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 2: eight month old baby at the time, and I just

600
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: knew if I saw a young baby, it would just

601
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 2: kind of shove that knife in deeper. And so I

602
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 2: continued to share my journey on TikTok, and my grief

603
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 2: went from heartache to being very angry after that two weeks.

604
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: It took a very stern conversation from my mom and

605
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 2: husband to tell me that me sit laying in bed

606
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: isn't going to bring Miley back. Addalie was losing her mom.

607
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 2: I needed to get up, get myself together, and get

608
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: back into a part of life, and so I didn't

609
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 2: want to neglect Attalie any longer than I already was.

610
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 2: So I pulled myself together the best I could. But

611
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 2: I got very angry, and I got angry because what

612
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 2: I went through I shouldn't have had to gone through.

613
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have had to been in a different state.

614
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have had to figure out logistics to fly

615
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: to a clinic. I shouldn't have been alone when I

616
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 2: went through surgery and sat in recovery. I shouldn't have

617
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 2: had to go through any of that. I should have

618
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 2: been able to get a procedure here in my home

619
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 2: state and go home and sleep in my own bed,

620
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 2: surrounded by my husband and daughter. But that wasn't the case,

621
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 2: because male politicians think they know it's best for women.

622
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 2: And so I turned my anger into more vocal activism

623
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 2: and more of my video started gaining traction, and the

624
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 2: Center for Reproductive Rights had reached out to me because

625
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 2: they currently had a case in Texas with women, and

626
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 2: they asked me if i'd be interested in suing Tennessee. Yes. Immediately,

627
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: I didn't even think about my answer. I said yes

628
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: because I wanted Miley. I wanted her story to be

629
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: the change that happens. And so while I was starting

630
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: the process of being a plaintiff in a legal case,

631
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 2: I started thinking about what I could do on a

632
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: lower level, I just as a citizen, and so I

633
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: thought of Miley's Law. And Miley's Law essentially would just

634
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 2: give exceptions back to parents when diagnosed with fetal anomalies.

635
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 2: For me, exceptions aren't enough. But I know, being in

636
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 2: a majority GOP state, just banning the ban altogether wasn't

637
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 2: going to be possible. So I figured if I could

638
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 2: throw them a bone and we take some baby steps,

639
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: that that would be the best course. And so I

640
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 2: met with my representative on June eighth last year, and

641
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 2: I told him my story. We sat in a two

642
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: hour meeting. I told him my story, and I told

643
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: him my idea for Miley's Law, and I asked for

644
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: his help to create the bill. Because I've never written

645
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 2: a before, I have no idea how to do that,

646
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 2: and so I wanted his help to write that bill

647
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: and get it up to the legislature, and he said

648
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 2: he would help me. And during that conversation I kind

649
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 2: of confirmed the thoughts I already had about our male lawmakers.

650
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 2: I had told him that I already had a daughter

651
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: here and that this was my second pregnancy that I lost,

652
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: and he said, wait a second, and I quote this,

653
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 2: I'm just a man, but I only thought it was

654
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,439
Speaker 2: the first pregnancy that could go bad. And I said,

655
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: first pregnancies can go bad. Any pregnancy can go bad,

656
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 2: though it's not just the first pregnancy. He was told

657
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 2: that it was just first pregnancies that go bad, and

658
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: so it didn't make sense to him when my second

659
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 2: pregnancy failed. On top of that, I tried to humanize

660
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 2: my story with him, because he made sure to tell

661
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 2: me that he is pro life and that I wasn't

662
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: going to make him pro choice, and I said, I'm

663
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 2: not trying to make you pro choice. I'm just trying

664
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: to make you understand what I went through. And he

665
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 2: has a daughter who's not much younger than me, twenty

666
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 2: five I think, and she doesn't have any children, and

667
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 2: so I was like, great, imagine this was her first

668
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: pregnancy and she called you and told you everything. I

669
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 2: just told you told you that her pregnancy wasn't viable

670
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: and that if she continued it was putting her life

671
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 2: at risk. What advice would you give her? And he

672
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: told me that I wasn't going to like his answer,

673
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 2: and I said, I want to hear it. What advice

674
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 2: would you give your daughter? And he said that the

675
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: way he grew up is that he would tell her

676
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 2: that he thinks she should continue her pregnancy. And I said,

677
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 2: even if it's putting her life at risk, and he

678
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: said that's just how I grew up. I said, what

679
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 2: happens if she gets the abortion? Are you going to disowner?

680
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 2: He said, I wouldn't disowner, but I wouldn't be happy

681
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 2: with her. And I think at that moment, it's solidified

682
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 2: for me that if these representatives don't even care about

683
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 2: their own child's wellbeing, they sure as hell don't care

684
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 2: about the rest of us. And so after that meeting,

685
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: I followed up with him a few times, asking where

686
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 2: we were, on him helping me, where we were on

687
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 2: these meetings, like what's next? And I kept getting the

688
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 2: run around, and I think it was after a month

689
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 2: or two roughly I messaged him one final time. I

690
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 2: said what are we doing? Like, are you helping me

691
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 2: or not? And he said that there's really nothing he

692
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 2: can do until the session starts back in January. And

693
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: I said, so women in Tennessee, ye are just supposed

694
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 2: to suffer and die until January. And he never responded

695
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 2: to me. And so that moment again, I was just like,

696
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm not going to sit around and

697
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: wait for a man to help me do anything. I'm

698
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 2: going to do it myself. And that's when people started

699
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: telling me I should run for office. Now, being a

700
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 2: politician or being an elected official in any capacity was

701
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 2: never something I thought I would do in my life.

702
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: I went to school for journalism. I wanted to be

703
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: a reporter. I wanted to write stories. That's my calling,

704
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 2: I thought, And so people started to My mom was

705
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 2: the first one to susjust it. And I was like,

706
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: you're crazy and she was like, no, but actually, like

707
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 2: you have the passion, You're very well spoken, you have

708
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 2: the heart, You're very relatable, and people listen to you.

709
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 2: You already have the following and the platform. She's like

710
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 2: why not. It's like why would I? I personally don't

711
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: like politics. The most I've ever done with politics is

712
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 2: go out and vote, and I thought I was doing

713
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: my due diligence, but more and more people started coming

714
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 2: up to me and saying, have you ever thought about

715
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 2: running for office? You should really think about running for office?

716
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 2: Like what is wrong with you? Like? Do you guys

717
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 2: just not have anybody else to run? Is that what's

718
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 2: going on here? And I will say there wasn't like

719
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: an aha moment for me. It was kind of I

720
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 2: was building this tier and with every layer gave me

721
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: another reason to decide to run for office. These reasons

722
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: being as I was on TikTok, I would also share

723
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 2: other women's stories from Texas, Florida, Oklahoma, Idaho, people other

724
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 2: women having to flee their states, are being denied abortion

725
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 2: access in their states. And it was the ten year

726
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: old girl who was raped and had to go across

727
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: state lines to get an abortion that really hit me.

728
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 2: And I was like, my daughter now at that point

729
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 2: was six, she's very close to that age. I know

730
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: what I went through as a twenty eight year old woman.

731
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 2: I could not imagine the trauma and the damage that

732
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 2: does to a ten year old girl. And that was

733
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 2: the biggest slab for me was to be like Okay,

734
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm going to consider it. And then

735
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 2: it came into there's other things that I care about

736
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: my daughter, like I said before, as autistics, so she

737
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 2: has an IEP in her school, she's special needs. She's

738
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 2: in a public school. Our state is currently trying to

739
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 2: implement a voucher program that would take public school funding

740
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 2: and put it into private schools. Or her public schools

741
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 2: are already underfunded and we need to take away more

742
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 2: funding that takes away these things like IEP assistants and

743
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 2: these resources for kids that have disabilities. So it's like,

744
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 2: that's going to affect my daughter, That's going to affect

745
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: my life. And then the fact that my six year

746
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 2: old is scared to go to school some days because

747
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 2: she does these active shooter drills, and the fact that

748
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: I'm scared she's not going to come home some days.

749
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: I try to remember what clothes she's wearing. I don't

750
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: buy her light up shoes because I don't want her

751
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: to be seen in a dark room. These are very

752
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 2: real things that American moms have to worry about. And

753
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 2: then I realized I run an in home daycare for

754
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 2: the simple fact that I know how hard it is

755
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 2: to pay for daycare as a single mom, because I

756
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 2: did it for three years. And there are so many

757
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 2: more things. I didn't get a maternity leave. I took

758
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,959
Speaker 2: two weeks off of work when I had Adelie to heal.

759
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 2: I didn't get paid for those two weeks. Those were

760
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: two weeks unpaid. And then I went back to work

761
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 2: when she was two weeks old. And so I was like,

762
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 2: there are so many things that I just kind of

763
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: lived through and accept it because it is what it is.

764
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: What am I going to do to change it? And

765
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 2: then that's when I really started to accept that what

766
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: our state is doing to women, families, and children is

767
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 2: so far beyond unacceptable. Then I can't just sit here

768
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: and complain on TikTok anymore. I can't just sit here

769
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: and vote for the blue guy anymore. I have got

770
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 2: to be in one of those seats making decisions when

771
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: we come back.

772
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: Ali breaks down her campaign strategy and share some of

773
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: the reactions she's getting from voters.

774
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 2: I actually announced earlier than what many people did because

775
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 2: my opponent is very wealthy and consulf on his own campaign.

776
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: I wanted to make sure I had enough time to

777
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 2: fundraise as much as I could, so I announced over

778
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 2: a year before the election, so majority of what I've

779
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 2: been doing has solely been online. I posted my campaign

780
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: launch video, and I've been doing interviews like this that

781
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 2: talks about my campaign and my story, and we have

782
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: it's public now. But we have raised over ninety thousand

783
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 2: dollars in the first like two and a half three months,

784
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 2: which is crazy for a small local election for somebody

785
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 2: that's never ran for office before. Now that we're in January,

786
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 2: I have done community events. I've done fundraisers. I've been

787
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 2: to other people's fundraisers. I've been to community meetings and

788
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: things like that, school board meetings. I just went to

789
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 2: a teacher union meeting last night and heard their concerns.

790
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: But now that we're in January and actually in the

791
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 2: election year, now I'm going in like feet on the ground.

792
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 2: I pulled my petition I think in a week or

793
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: two and I'll be going and knocking on doors to

794
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 2: get signatures so I can officially be on the ballot.

795
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: And so I'm going to be posting round table discussions

796
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 2: with different community organizations in my area and asking them

797
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 2: what is it that using needs to be improved, What

798
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 2: is it that you're concerned about I'm taking my story

799
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 2: and putting it on the back burner. My story's been

800
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 2: told enough. Now I want to hear from them. One

801
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 2: of the things that just recently came out on Wednesday

802
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: from the Journal of American Medicine was that there are

803
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: around sixty five thousand women and girls with rape related pregnancies.

804
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 2: And these are just coming from the fourteen states that

805
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 2: have a ban or a restriction on abortion access. And

806
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 2: these are the women and girls that have reported it.

807
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 2: So how many are unreported? How many have just gone unnoticed,

808
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: And so I think that brings a new light and

809
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 2: a new fact to people that say, oh, rape related

810
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: abortions are so rare, they don't happen that often. Sixty

811
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 2: five thousand women and girls have come forward just within

812
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 2: the last year or so since Roe was overturned. The

813
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 2: thing with the argument of it being birth control is

814
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 2: for some women, it may be it may be that

815
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 2: they accidentally got pregnant or you know, took precautions to

816
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 2: not get pregnant, but they still ended up pregnant and

817
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 2: they don't want to be pregnant, and so yeah, it

818
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 2: could be used as a form of birth control for

819
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: some women. But to ban a life saving procedure for

820
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 2: the woman who is going septic and bleeding out because

821
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 2: you don't want your neighbor to go get an abortion

822
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 2: because she accidentally got pregnant doesn't make a whole lot

823
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 2: of sense. The thing with abortion that people need to

824
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 2: understand is it is a medical procedure, whether that fetus

825
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 2: is dead or alive. I've had so many people in

826
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 2: my comments telling me, well, your baby died, you didn't

827
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 2: get an abortion, she was already dead, And I'm like,

828
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 2: that is such an illogical explanation of what an abortion is.

829
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 2: The abortion is literally the procedure the removal of the

830
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: feudal tissue. So when I have to tell people, no,

831
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 2: I still had an abortion, it doesn't matter that she

832
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 2: was dead, it doesn't matter if they're alive. It is

833
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 2: still the same process. Some people listen, some people don't.

834
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: But another way I try to humanize it to people

835
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: is we can't pick and choose who gets healthcare and win.

836
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: For example, if you have two patients that are diagnosed

837
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: with cancer, one of them being Stage one, one of

838
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 2: them being a stage four, you don't get to look

839
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 2: at the stage one patient and say you're not sick enough,

840
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 2: We're not going to let you have chemo, but then

841
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 2: give the stage four patient chemo, because now you're just

842
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 2: taking away that stage one patient their ability to get

843
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: healthcare and preserve their health. We want to be proactive

844
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: and not reactive. But the whole point of choice isn't

845
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 2: being pro abortion. That's something that I tell I tell

846
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: people all the time. Could be pro choice without being

847
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 2: pro abortion. Being pro choice is literally supporting women having

848
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 2: the right to choose, whether that be they need an

849
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 2: abortion or want an abortion, whether that be they want

850
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: to have the baby and keep it, or whether that

851
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: be they want to put it up for adoption. It's

852
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 2: whatever works best for that woman that you support their

853
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 2: right to choose. And when you take away that right,

854
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 2: you start seeing things like women dying, You start seeing

855
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 2: things like rape increasing because there's there's no penalty, because

856
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: how many convictions actually have happened from those sixty five

857
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 2: thousand rapes that were recorded. How many That's the problem

858
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: we face as women as well, is coming forward when

859
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 2: we are raped and being believed. This has become so

860
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 2: important to me because I am a mom, and as

861
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 2: a mom, it's my job to protect my children, and

862
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 2: my daughter is growing up in this state and she

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Speaker 2: may raise her own family in this state, and it's

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Speaker 2: And so running for office, I don't know if I'm

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Speaker 2: has to be. If you know in your heart that

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Speaker 2: something is wrong and it's hurting people, you have the

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Speaker 2: right to stand up and speak out. And so I

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Speaker 2: hope I'm leaving a legacy for my daughter to be

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Speaker 2: active and be loud about the things she cares about

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Speaker 2: and to never give up no matter how many people

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Speaker 2: try to tear her down. The fact that I'm making

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Speaker 2: so many people mad on the other side tells me

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Speaker 2: I'm doing something right. So this is important for me now.

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Speaker 2: I feel like this is my purpose to keep Miley's

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Speaker 2: name alive and to push Miley's Law, and to just

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Speaker 2: push the fact that abortions are healthcare no matter how

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Speaker 2: you look at it, and to normalize the word abortion.

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Speaker 2: The stigma that's been on it has been on it

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Speaker 2: far too long, and I just want to make sure

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Speaker 2: because at this point we feel like second class citizens

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Speaker 2: and it's not okay. It's not okay, But I just

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Speaker 2: hope that it's enough, and if it's not, I'm going

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