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Speaker 1: to us. Upcoming in the show, Zion Wood some some
Speaker 1: some more kind of a paper trail in terms of Zion,
Speaker 1: Williamson and Duke and what appears to be some sort
Speaker 1: of parallel to the Reggie Bush and USC case. Will
Speaker 1: get to that. Plus NBA players are in quarantine and
Speaker 1: most of them appear to be kind of unhappy about
Speaker 1: the setup so far. But before we get to that,
Speaker 1: let's let's get to rob to the story of the day.
Speaker 1: Good morning, good morning to you. Um okay, So yesterday
Speaker 1: the Big Ten announced that they will not play non
Speaker 1: conference games. The ACC is expected to announce the same.
Speaker 1: Big Ten, I mean, Big twelve SEC have not said anything.
Speaker 1: Pac twelve sort of hedging and waiting. What's you know
Speaker 1: you're having high school football in Texas? In Texas, you
Speaker 1: know people who organize high school fotball saying very unlikely
Speaker 1: to have a season. What's your reaction first to the
Speaker 1: Big ten news of yesterday. Yeah, I mean I get it.
Speaker 1: I mean this is a fluid situation, Doug. Nobody really
Speaker 1: knows that people are hoping against hope, trying to figure
Speaker 1: something out. How can we keep it as close as
Speaker 1: possible and not make big travel arrangements or plans or
Speaker 1: you know, to try to somehow have a control over it.
Speaker 1: It's not exactly the bubble, right, but but it's just
Speaker 1: Big ten. You know, you're not you're not going outside
Speaker 1: of that. I don't know if it'll work. There's there's
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that's involved, and especially just the nature.
Speaker 1: To me, I think football and basketball are tougher because
Speaker 1: of the nature because there is physical contact, they're sweat,
Speaker 1: there's saliva, there's all kinds of stuff that Doug, you
Speaker 1: cannot avoid, uh, passing on to the guy next to you, right,
Speaker 1: because the nature of the games. So you know, if
Speaker 1: you're hoping for college football and pro football, and high
Speaker 1: school football. I don't know. I think it's all up
Speaker 1: in the air. I think they're hoping against hope. And
Speaker 1: as someone who teaches at USC, I'm an adjunct professor,
Speaker 1: we've already been told we're gonna be teaching remotely. So
Speaker 1: if kids aren't going to classes or whatever, it's hard
Speaker 1: for me to imagine that they're playing football together. Yeah. Well, look,
Speaker 1: the se thing has set into motion a lot of
Speaker 1: alarm bells around the country. And the issue with USC
Speaker 1: having classes online is if I'm going to spend seventy
Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year and tuition actually went up for
Speaker 1: for USC, it did, yeah, yeah, yeah to tuition went up,
Speaker 1: and but okay, so I'm gonna pay and it wouldn't
Speaker 1: be seventy grand if you're not obviously on campus. Um,
Speaker 1: but if you're gonna pay all this money, you you're
Speaker 1: you're paying for the college experience, not just for the
Speaker 1: brand USC when you're done, which obviously does have a
Speaker 1: substantial portion of the value. And I know parents who
Speaker 1: are supposed to send their kids to SC like I
Speaker 1: ain't doing it. We're taking a year off and we'll we'll,
Speaker 1: we'll roll the dice as to whether or not my
Speaker 1: kid gets in the next time around. Um, but but
Speaker 1: that that kind of starts the trickle down of Okay,
Speaker 1: if enrollment's going to be down and we don't know
Speaker 1: if we can have students on campus, how can we
Speaker 1: save money? And this appears like there's I think there's
Speaker 1: some unintended and intended consequences, and I'm really interested to
Speaker 1: hear what you think about. Doug gotlie Brod Parker in
Speaker 1: for Dan the Dan at Dan Patrick's show. I guess
Speaker 1: the question is, are the intended consequences that we don't
Speaker 1: we have fewer games, less contact between players, or like, look,
Speaker 1: the Big Ten said, if we do this, we're still
Speaker 1: gonna do ten games, We're just not going to have
Speaker 1: non conference games, which to me strikes to the hey,
Speaker 1: we don't want to pay we don't we don't want
Speaker 1: to pay the million dollars at costs for Bowling Green
Speaker 1: or whomever to come play our poements, as opposed to
Speaker 1: if we have no fans or if we have this
Speaker 1: massive downfall in terms of in terms of how much
Speaker 1: money we are actually making, this is a way to
Speaker 1: save money, and then the unintended consequence or maybe It's
Speaker 1: an intended consequence is it continues to separate the rich
Speaker 1: from the poor. In college athletics, which has been a
Speaker 1: big like this is my thing with coronavirus and what
Speaker 1: it's done to the economy. I'm not sure there are
Speaker 1: many businesses that have truly been ruined. It's just sped
Speaker 1: up the process of businesses that are not in good shape,
Speaker 1: right Like, yes, the restaurant business and entertainment. It's concerts
Speaker 1: really hard for those businesses. But there are a lot
Speaker 1: of you know, in college sports, the non Bowl Championship Series,
Speaker 1: major conferences, those things are just kind of held together
Speaker 1: by duct tape, and this pulls out the legs from
Speaker 1: those chairs because they need those payouts for the rest
Speaker 1: of their athletic department. If they don't have them, I
Speaker 1: don't know how they have the rest of the athletic department.
Speaker 1: And if they have football this year, they're going to
Speaker 1: only lose money. If they don't have football this year,
Speaker 1: they lose all their players. And thus the conferences like
Speaker 1: the MAC conferences that aren't part of the Big Six,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden now become a house of cards
Speaker 1: and you get that separate that those big conferences wanted anyway. No,
Speaker 1: I don't disagree that part of that is is um
Speaker 1: a factor. And one of my favorite songs is Cindy
Speaker 1: Lapper Money Changes Everything. You know that song, Doug, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that song. Um, but but I did not
Speaker 1: nely be quoting Cindy Lapper at six or seven on
Speaker 1: the West Coast. I'm stuck in the eighties, so I'm
Speaker 1: all into the uh the eighties song. But Cindy Lauper song.
Speaker 1: I love that song. And money does change everything. It
Speaker 1: is mostly about money. And you're right, if they can
Speaker 1: save money and not pay out to people that they
Speaker 1: normally would write a big check for. And and you
Speaker 1: know that's how Michigan pads. It's uh, a lot of
Speaker 1: schools pad their win total to start the season, dug
Speaker 1: with two or three cupcakes, uh, you know, and beat
Speaker 1: them up and then they go and then play it
Speaker 1: play against their their conference uh opponents. Um. But I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if we look when you
Speaker 1: look at the financial part of it is you're are
Speaker 1: you saying they're hoping that these other schools shake out
Speaker 1: and collapse. No, I don't. I don't I think that
Speaker 1: that's an unintended consequence. Okay, I think I do think
Speaker 1: the intended consequences to save money. Right, everybody's our our
Speaker 1: company is trying to save money, TV and radio, like,
Speaker 1: how can we how can we trim the margins because
Speaker 1: it's already been a bad year and it's likely to
Speaker 1: only get worse in terms of schools, right, And while
Speaker 1: school schools are just not built, they're they're built to
Speaker 1: consistently make more money because they spend more money because
Speaker 1: they have to, you know, reinvest in their infrastructure. They
Speaker 1: carry a uh, you know, they carry debt with them
Speaker 1: over all these massive construction projects, and you know, they
Speaker 1: want to keep getting donations for their endowment. And while
Speaker 1: people at you know, say, well why can't athletic departments
Speaker 1: draw from the endowment, That's not how it works. Meanwhile, you're, well,
Speaker 1: you're not because just because they don't want to do that.
Speaker 1: It's not that they can't, it's just that they don't
Speaker 1: want to. No, no, no, no, because they can't it
Speaker 1: based upon how how their uh their their own constitutions
Speaker 1: are written. Many schools, there there's a limit, if any
Speaker 1: that endowment that can go to athletics. Additionally, you have
Speaker 1: to factor in that while athletic departments are going to
Speaker 1: be and already are losing money and they're going to
Speaker 1: lose more money, so too is the school is going
Speaker 1: to The school is going to lose massive amounts of money,
Speaker 1: and the endowment's going to shrink, not just because of
Speaker 1: the investments of what happens there, but because no one's
Speaker 1: gonna be making donations. And like all of this stuff
Speaker 1: kind of all it's a it's um, it's like a
Speaker 1: it's like it's like an organism that all sembiotically works together. Right,
Speaker 1: Like the college football is important not just for the
Speaker 1: bottom line of the money that it makes. It also
Speaker 1: obviously makes money from the TV and the radio and
Speaker 1: the rights broadcast, but also those, as you said, cupcake games.
Speaker 1: While you're spending money the town, those college towns make
Speaker 1: a ton of money on those games. Hotels, restaurants, all
Speaker 1: the sororities and fraternities, welcome back alumni, all the parking spots,
Speaker 1: everything the parking tickets, everything in town. Everything makes money
Speaker 1: in those small college towns based upon those college football games. Additionally,
Speaker 1: you bring back the alumni. That's when the athletic directors
Speaker 1: and other school executives come and hit people up for donations,
Speaker 1: not just for the football program athletic department, but for
Speaker 1: the rest of the school. Like it all does actually
Speaker 1: work together, right, It trickles down and it's not isolated.
Speaker 1: It affects everything. And you're right, even to the guy
Speaker 1: who's who's selling the parking spots in town, that goes away.
Speaker 1: That was money. Say if a person had a parking
Speaker 1: lot and that's how he made his money in during
Speaker 1: the college football season, that helps fund to pay his mortgage. Dog,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean over the course of a year.
Speaker 1: And now there's no football games in town and that
Speaker 1: money that I always counted on has gone away. So
Speaker 1: so yes, it has affected so many things, and I
Speaker 1: still think that I'm not convinced. I heard Jim Harball
Speaker 1: with Michigan trying to say, well, that's not all fall.
Speaker 1: We didn't start the corona and the kids want to
Speaker 1: of course, the kids want to play. Jim that that
Speaker 1: that's obvious. The football players, that's what they've done their
Speaker 1: whole lives. But I also think that there's a part
Speaker 1: of trying to keep these kids safe and figure out
Speaker 1: if this is really worth it, that that maybe Dug,
Speaker 1: there's gotta be maybe there's gonna be one year without
Speaker 1: college football because it's just not safe and healthy enough
Speaker 1: for people to partake in it. And I know it's devastating,
Speaker 1: but I think sometimes people when they talk about trying
Speaker 1: to get it back, there's selfish reasons. You know, they
Speaker 1: want to play, they want to get paid, they want
Speaker 1: things to kind of go on. But but sometimes you
Speaker 1: gotta take a look at them at the bigger picture,
Speaker 1: and that is, can you really, in good conscience tell
Speaker 1: kids not to come to class on campus, Dog, but
Speaker 1: tell them to play football at a school where the
Speaker 1: student bodies not welcome back. Something doesn't sound right. Okay,
Speaker 1: well I'm gonna disagree with you, but we'll get to
Speaker 1: that upcoming. Why Rob Parker, Doug gottlieb in for Dan
Speaker 1: the Danetts, Brett McMurphy is going to join us upcoming next?
Speaker 1: What does the Big ten decision due to the college
Speaker 1: football landscape? What about the Big twelve and the SEC?
Speaker 1: What's the likelihood we have a season? This idea of
Speaker 1: spring football I believe has massive, massive flaws. We'll get
Speaker 1: to all of that and take some of your comments
Speaker 1: on social media as well. As maybe a phone call
Speaker 1: er too with Rob Parker. Ro'm Doug Gottlieb. This is
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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio app. You know I'm bopping around? How are
Speaker 1: you bopping around? Like to Cindy Lauper. I love this
Speaker 1: song of the Cindey Lauper songs, this does not It's
Speaker 1: definitely not in the top three. No no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. But see it's so you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of times it's easy just to pick the best, the
Speaker 1: three biggest songs. Sometimes there's a there's a nugget in
Speaker 1: there question, or there's a song right that that you
Speaker 1: really connect to for whatever reason. This this really connects
Speaker 1: to me. Okay, So there there's probably five songs. There's
Speaker 1: five songs. Brett McMurphy's a product of the eighties as well,
Speaker 1: of course, works for Stadium Sports as college football insider
Speaker 1: Brett Bret Brett will get to bigger and more important stuff.
Speaker 1: But Rob Parker in the All Time Upsets is a
Speaker 1: huge fan of Cindy Lauper. She's from Queens like a
Speaker 1: great there's lots of great people from Queens. She's a
Speaker 1: marvelous singer, and you know she was incredible in the eighties.
Speaker 1: But um, one between liking Cyndy lapper and and picking
Speaker 1: out a song that's not girls just want to have
Speaker 1: fun time after time true colors she bop or that
Speaker 1: uh good good love is good enough song from the Goonies,
Speaker 1: Like that's the top five. Everything else pails in comparison, Brett,
Speaker 1: how are you good morning? Too good? I was? I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's gonna be quized on Sndy Lappery. You
Speaker 1: know pretty much every song I could think of her?
Speaker 1: Why those are all the obvious songs? If you're Cyndi
Speaker 1: lauper fem. Money changes everything is one that I don't
Speaker 1: think everybody knows. Money does change everything. Okay, Brett, let's
Speaker 1: get to the speaking of money changing right. It's a
Speaker 1: great segue. I excellent job by you, Rob, professional podcaster
Speaker 1: and journalists. Um, okay, So the Big Ten yesterday announces
Speaker 1: no non conference games if we play We're gonna play
Speaker 1: ten conference games. Uh, what's your reaction to that news? Well,
Speaker 1: it it was It was not a suspected among other
Speaker 1: athletic directors and administrators at the other league. What was
Speaker 1: a surprise is the timing of the announcement. Everyone thought
Speaker 1: the Big Ten was going to make this announcement next week.
Speaker 1: So people are wondering within the industry why the urgency
Speaker 1: for the Big Ten to come out and make this
Speaker 1: announcement yesterday. And what it does now is I think
Speaker 1: the Power five leagues have said they wanted to come
Speaker 1: out with a plan for the fall season together whatever
Speaker 1: that would be conference only, conference only plus one or
Speaker 1: two non conference games, twelve games were delay in the season,
Speaker 1: whatever that's going to be, and the timeline was around
Speaker 1: end of July August first. However, with the Big Ten
Speaker 1: coming out with this news, what it does now is
Speaker 1: it kind of boxes everybody else in and so I
Speaker 1: don't think I don't think you're going to see any
Speaker 1: teams play twelve games this year in Power five or
Speaker 1: the Group of five leagues because now you simply don't
Speaker 1: have the inventory out there when you take the Big
Speaker 1: Ten off the table. The PAC twelve, you know, because
Speaker 1: of their geographic challenges out there on the West Coast,
Speaker 1: it's going to be hard for them and there they
Speaker 1: were leaning towards going conference only anyway, I've been told
Speaker 1: it's likely the ACC would go conference only. Plus they
Speaker 1: have Notre Dame which they will kind of take under
Speaker 1: their wing and make sure Notre Dame as enough games.
Speaker 1: So now, if you're the SEC, the big twelve um
Speaker 1: for you to get a you know, twelve quality games,
Speaker 1: there simply aren't enough teams out there. So that was
Speaker 1: my biggest takeaway yesterday with the with the big tent announcement.
Speaker 1: But is there a money factor as well? Just the
Speaker 1: whole line. Doug brought this up at the top of
Speaker 1: the show about not paying the other schools that you
Speaker 1: normally usher were in the big pay days to come
Speaker 1: in and get beat up on. Is this part of it,
Speaker 1: you know? I don't really. I don't really think so.
Speaker 1: Because of the look the Big ten they can forward
Speaker 1: to pay these schools to come in and pay them
Speaker 1: a million bucks are more to come in. That's not
Speaker 1: an issue. Certainly, they're going to lose money because there
Speaker 1: if those games are played and the stadium is only
Speaker 1: a fourth fool because of COVID, you're you're going to
Speaker 1: lose money. But I don't think that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing is that the Big Ten
Speaker 1: and I think other conferences feel this way, especially at
Speaker 1: the Power five level. If you're a Big ten conference
Speaker 1: school and your your safety guidelines say range from one
Speaker 1: through fifty, and you've got to go through all these
Speaker 1: different steps. Now you're playing a team from another conference
Speaker 1: and maybe their guidelines are only one through twenty five.
Speaker 1: Do you really want to put your student athletes, you know,
Speaker 1: in that situation where the opponent you're playing UM doesn't
Speaker 1: go through the same safety guidelines that you do. And
Speaker 1: so I think that was the bigger thing. Is a
Speaker 1: conference they can they can control everything as far as
Speaker 1: testing different guidelines and safety measures, so they know everybody's playing.
Speaker 1: It's apples to apples comparison. But when you step outside
Speaker 1: of conference, especially if you step down and play a
Speaker 1: group of five school who don't have the financial means
Speaker 1: to test it frequently and do all these other things,
Speaker 1: then you know, then it's a it's a big question mark.
Speaker 1: I think that's a bigger thing. But when I sing
Speaker 1: with the money UM, I think that that will play
Speaker 1: a big part on how many conference games these teams play.
Speaker 1: You know, is a conference they will sit there and
Speaker 1: get with their TV partners and say, Okay, if we
Speaker 1: play eight conference games, it's worth x amount of money.
Speaker 1: What if we play nine, it's worth this much? What
Speaker 1: if we play tennis for this much? And that will
Speaker 1: that will play a big, big role in determining how
Speaker 1: many conference games these guys play going forward. That is,
Speaker 1: if we do actually get to have a college football season.
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's get to that big question. Um,
Speaker 1: when is the forgive the forgive the phrase? When is
Speaker 1: the drop dead date? You know, Doug really isn't one.
Speaker 1: You know, technically they could run it up and so
Speaker 1: right before kickoff and then say look, we'll pulling the plug.
Speaker 1: But they did want to determine or make some type
Speaker 1: of announcement by by August first, Um, and say, look,
Speaker 1: here's the plan. We're going forward with the twelve game schedule. Look,
Speaker 1: we're going to we're going to pause. Then they even
Speaker 1: don't want to call it delay because that's negative. They
Speaker 1: want to say it we're taking a pause. We're taking
Speaker 1: a pause. We're going to move the season back and
Speaker 1: start the last week of September. Whatever it is. They
Speaker 1: wanted to do that around August first to the end
Speaker 1: of July. So I think at that time that's when
Speaker 1: we'll have a better definitive idea from all these other
Speaker 1: conferences and certainly the Big Ten. Also, they've got to
Speaker 1: figure out what schedule they're going to do. Just because
Speaker 1: they're going conference only doesn't mean they pick up the
Speaker 1: schedule as this. Several ads and a big tent told me, Look,
Speaker 1: we've got to change our conference schedules up just because
Speaker 1: of the dates, UM and different um challenges of you know,
Speaker 1: multiple open dates between conference games and different things UM.
Speaker 1: And so I think I think everyone would hope to
Speaker 1: do it by artist first because that way you could
Speaker 1: get TV on board certainly for planning purposes and those
Speaker 1: sort of things. But it looks they can. They were
Speaker 1: planning to play the NCAA basketball tournament until they weren't,
Speaker 1: and I think that's going to be the same thing
Speaker 1: with college football, Yes, but it's much more of a
Speaker 1: it's a much bigger ship with all of the with
Speaker 1: the absolutely right like and um and you know, like
Speaker 1: Rob pointed out, he adjunct professor at USC, they're going
Speaker 1: mostly online, which signifies you know, sc a major school
Speaker 1: player in college football saying we're not going to have
Speaker 1: students on campus. That's one of the big warning signs
Speaker 1: that we won't have college football. So okay, I guess
Speaker 1: best guests, where are we as of today? Again, I
Speaker 1: know it's a fluid situation. We're at July tenth. Do
Speaker 1: we have college football? I think they're going to turn
Speaker 1: like hell to do it. And I think we may
Speaker 1: start out pre college football. I don't think we've finished
Speaker 1: the season, just because you know, as you've seen recently,
Speaker 1: you know, Ohio State shutdown, worked out in North Carolina, Kansas,
Speaker 1: all over the country. Because of the positive spikes, you know,
Speaker 1: and the one thing you did mention about USC and
Speaker 1: the online promises, the commissioners have kind of I don't
Speaker 1: want to say they've they found a loophole, but they
Speaker 1: have kind of re characterized that by saying, we need
Speaker 1: to have some students on campus for our student athletes
Speaker 1: to play football. Well, some could be one hundred, some
Speaker 1: could be a thousand. We don't have to have twenty
Speaker 1: thousand students on campus, is what they're saying. So they've
Speaker 1: got to try to play because of the financial implications
Speaker 1: if they don't. Look back in April and I said,
Speaker 1: I hope I'm wrong. I said, I don't think we're
Speaker 1: gonna have a season because I didn't think the university
Speaker 1: presidents would allow all the all these students back on campus.
Speaker 1: They've kind of changed that where they don't need all
Speaker 1: the students back on campus. But ultimately, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I hope I'm wrong, but I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: we end up having a season. I hate that. If
Speaker 1: if it's not safe in that for kids to come
Speaker 1: back on campus and take a class together in a room,
Speaker 1: then how's it safe but to play football? But wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, guys, guys, guys, guys,
Speaker 1: and Rob. I'm not trying to cut either of you
Speaker 1: guys off. Can anyone point to any sort of statistics
Speaker 1: that say that, right like, the fear is not for
Speaker 1: the student athletes. The fear one is obviously litigation, but
Speaker 1: but the fear is for everybody else, the professors you know,
Speaker 1: who could or a regular student who could have some
Speaker 1: pre existing health conditions that a student athlete wouldn't have.
Speaker 1: There isn't any I've yet to have been shown any
Speaker 1: sort of statistical uh um sign that us that an
Speaker 1: athlete would actually be at at at substantial risk. I agree,
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying they would or wouldn't. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that it seems like people right now, and I'm
Speaker 1: not saying this is right or wrong, but people are
Speaker 1: not comfortable with if people are positive with the disease
Speaker 1: of going forward. But it's just it's funny where they're like, well,
Speaker 1: it's these universities are saying it's not safe for us
Speaker 1: to have, you know, fifty students in a classroom, but
Speaker 1: it is safe for our university to play football. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that's right or wrong. I'm just saying, how
Speaker 1: can one be okay and the other can't be okay?
Speaker 1: Shouldn't both be okay? Or shouldn't both be not okay?
Speaker 1: So that's ultimately getting back to your question why I
Speaker 1: think we don't have a season because there's so many
Speaker 1: different things like that, and you nailed something a second
Speaker 1: ago that people aren't going to talk about. It's all
Speaker 1: about litigation and how not to get sued, and they
Speaker 1: that's their biggest concern with these university presidents is you know,
Speaker 1: they don't want to be hit with multiple lawsuits, and
Speaker 1: so is it is it better to take a huge
Speaker 1: chance with most most of the time to use a
Speaker 1: university presidents do not like to take a lot of
Speaker 1: chances or be take the safe way. And basically, if
Speaker 1: that means, you know, cancel the season and wait till
Speaker 1: next year, then try to try to navigate the financial
Speaker 1: implications and try to live to fight and another day
Speaker 1: to make it into a bad analogy. I look at
Speaker 1: this and I want to know if we don't have
Speaker 1: college football this season, and I'm closer to you, Brett
Speaker 1: h what damage will this do? Like do you see
Speaker 1: U some college football programs going away forever? Like, well,
Speaker 1: what will be the damage if there is no football season? Yeah? Rob,
Speaker 1: you're right, you're going to see the smaller group of
Speaker 1: five schools. It could could drop football almost overnight if
Speaker 1: you don't have a if you don't have a football season,
Speaker 1: either in the fall or in the spring. UM. You know,
Speaker 1: I've done a couple of UM surveys for stadium or
Speaker 1: I reached out to all one hundred and thirty athletic
Speaker 1: directors asking them about their optimism for the season. I
Speaker 1: remember back in April, I asked and asked all the ads,
Speaker 1: and a couple of them were very blunt, but it's
Speaker 1: it's stuck with me. And they said, look, Brett, if
Speaker 1: we don't have any football for this upcoming you know,
Speaker 1: academic year, he goes, we are bleached. And that that's
Speaker 1: the reality of it. And that's the biggest fear is
Speaker 1: if you don't have these TV deals, if you don't
Speaker 1: have the revenue coming in from the from the attendants
Speaker 1: and the donations and everything else that that factors in. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, these schools and universities are going to make
Speaker 1: some hard decisions and that's why you've seen a lot
Speaker 1: of schools already dropping Olympic sports and certainly you know
Speaker 1: Stanford becoming the first Power of five school to cut
Speaker 1: to cut Olympic sports recently. Brett, awesome stuff. We really
Speaker 1: appreciate your time. Thanks for joining us from the Dan
Speaker 1: Patrick Show. Thanks guys, anytime. That's Brett mcmurph from from
Speaker 1: a stadium sports. Uh okay, So, Rob, let's let's let's
Speaker 1: dive a little bit deeper in here. Um I just
Speaker 1: I understand this, the fear that people have. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's reasonable fear, Like there's reasonable there's a reasonable
Speaker 1: fear you know, your your kid goes, you know, riding
Speaker 1: his bike. If you don't you know that that somebody's
Speaker 1: not paying attention. He's not paying attention, you put on
Speaker 1: a bike helmet. I'm just I'm wondering if it's reasonable
Speaker 1: fear that keeps us from having a college football season. Yes,
Speaker 1: that is the reason. And I think it's reasonable, Doug,
Speaker 1: because we don't know, because it's uncharted waters. Because what
Speaker 1: happens if if yes, you just go and go willy
Speaker 1: nilly and you don't take these precautions and kids on
Speaker 1: football teams come down with the virus and kids start
Speaker 1: dying and football players start dropping dead. Then people will go,
Speaker 1: oh my god, there's no there's show me any sort
Speaker 1: of stat that says people of that age are in Like,
Speaker 1: here's the crazy part. You're you're it's football is a
Speaker 1: really dangerous game. You're far more likely to actually die
Speaker 1: from playing football that appears to die from the coronavirus.
Speaker 1: To this point, like and again, people of their age
Speaker 1: with with with their type of athletic acumen. And the
Speaker 1: difference is when this first started, it was about older
Speaker 1: people and people with with uh immune uh UM deficiencies
Speaker 1: underlying conditions, medical conditions. That's what it was, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody else, if you're healthy, you'll be just fine. And
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, states relaxed their their regulations
Speaker 1: on it, and all these young people went out and
Speaker 1: partied and and did all the other stuff at the
Speaker 1: beach or whatever. And now I don't know about you.
Speaker 1: When I drive past uh these uh medical facilities in LA,
Speaker 1: they're lying of young people standing out there trying to
Speaker 1: get uh seen by a doctor or get tested because
Speaker 1: they have it. And the point is you from from
Speaker 1: from saying that they weren't going to be affected from
Speaker 1: the beginning. That's changed. So now we don't know if
Speaker 1: if the longer it just goes on. Now maybe some
Speaker 1: of these people, young people start dying from it. It's
Speaker 1: not like young people haven't died from it. All I'm
Speaker 1: saying is I'd rather be safe than sorry, because we
Speaker 1: don't know. I remember when we first when the first
Speaker 1: when the pandemic first started, they told people that you
Speaker 1: didn't have to wear a mask. Do you remember that, Yes,
Speaker 1: they said that you didn't have to wear a mask,
Speaker 1: that it that it was, that it was optional. And basically, uh,
Speaker 1: because I know the first week or so of this
Speaker 1: whole thing, I wasn't wearing a mask. I was listening
Speaker 1: to people and they were talking about people who who
Speaker 1: were susceptible to it, that they needed to protect themselves.
Speaker 1: And that's changed. All I'm saying is it's a slippery slope.
Speaker 1: It changes all the time. And football is not that
Speaker 1: essential in life to give up a season to make
Speaker 1: sure that people are safe, that's all. Football is not
Speaker 1: essential in life. That is an absolute, that's a fact.
Speaker 1: The differences though, it is incredibly essential. Like we talk
Speaker 1: about essential businesses all the time, right, that made essential
Speaker 1: business all the time. Like I mean, bretman Murphy just
Speaker 1: said how bleak it will be for college athletics and
Speaker 1: frankly for universities, but especially for college athletics if football
Speaker 1: doesn't exist. And I'm telling you, if you don't have
Speaker 1: college football, and you don't have college football with fans,
Speaker 1: it's bleak for those college towns. That's where they make
Speaker 1: all of their money. Right, there's a reason they have
Speaker 1: homecoming games. There's a reason that they have all of
Speaker 1: these alumni events. Like all of this stuff generates gobs
Speaker 1: and gobs of money for not just the university, but
Speaker 1: for the towns that the university occupies. And if you
Speaker 1: take student us away from the campus already, then you
Speaker 1: take incoming fans away, Like those college towns are going
Speaker 1: to be in despair. And we're not even talking about
Speaker 1: the entire athletic departments, which we think of in a
Speaker 1: linear fashion. Oh as football essential, No, you're right, okay,
Speaker 1: but but athletics and athletic departments provide the second most
Speaker 1: number of scholarships of any program in the history of
Speaker 1: the United States, only to the GI Bill. Like this
Speaker 1: is like to me, a bunch of the discussion about
Speaker 1: the racial disparity and economics in this country come down
Speaker 1: to the differences in the type of schools that you
Speaker 1: can go to and the ability opening up new doors
Speaker 1: that didn't previously exist for previous generations. That's what athletics provides,
Speaker 1: and we be taking that away from a substantial number
Speaker 1: of young people in addition to the economics of the
Speaker 1: college towns, which again would take away would take away
Speaker 1: opportunities for young people. So I think there's more to
Speaker 1: it than just the linear fashion of looking at it.
Speaker 1: Do we need football or do we not need football?
Speaker 1: Should the college football coaches get get paid or not
Speaker 1: get paid? Like that that that that is just a
Speaker 1: fraction of the actual story here, And I'm like, look,
Speaker 1: I almost think I mean, the problem is that everyone
Speaker 1: just fears getting sued, right Like, That's ultimately what probably
Speaker 1: brings down football in high school athletics is at some
Speaker 1: point somebody's going to have a class action lawsuit and
Speaker 1: you know, you high school, high school, high school can't
Speaker 1: ensure they're hihigh school football teams, and it probably goes
Speaker 1: away and you play flag football in high school. That's
Speaker 1: that's likely what goes away in some of these states.
Speaker 1: But that's what's happening to college football. They don't actually
Speaker 1: fear the virus hurting anyone on that roster. You're getting
Speaker 1: way more you're getting way better testing, more testing, more
Speaker 1: off because it's super expensive, and you're getting better medical care.
Speaker 1: If you do pop up positive, then you could possibly
Speaker 1: get at home. But the problem is that on the
Speaker 1: off chance that one person not only carries it, but
Speaker 1: then carries it home to a family member or pass
Speaker 1: it along to somebody and it comes back around too, well,
Speaker 1: the university is liable here. That's when a lawsuit comes down,
Speaker 1: and that's when it becomes the house of cars. That's
Speaker 1: the real fear. And I'm not trying to make lawyers
Speaker 1: out to be bad people, but litigation is the fear,
Speaker 1: not the actual reasonable possibility that this can kill any
Speaker 1: number of college football players. I think it's a combination.
Speaker 1: I get the league the league part of it. Dog
Speaker 1: I do understand that when you're a university and and
Speaker 1: there's money that somebody could sue and get from you,
Speaker 1: and and and uh so I get that part of it.
Speaker 1: But I do think there's a responsibility to also make
Speaker 1: sure you're not putting kids in harm's way for the
Speaker 1: wrong reason. And I think the wrong reason is to
Speaker 1: collect TV money and money for your football program when
Speaker 1: it's not safe. If fans can't go into the stands,
Speaker 1: right and you're asking maybe fans to sign a waiver
Speaker 1: to come watch a football game, that's telling you that
Speaker 1: you believe that there's a chance that something bad can
Speaker 1: happen and that you would be held responsible or liable.
Speaker 1: So if that's the case, if fans can't go there,
Speaker 1: and fan and kids can't go on campus to sit
Speaker 1: in class classrooms, how can guys being on top of
Speaker 1: each other exchanges sweat and Spit makes sense and and
Speaker 1: make you feel like, oh, there's nothing wrong with us
Speaker 1: trying to play football. I think that they know that
Speaker 1: there is a big risk in it. Rob Parker, Doug
Speaker 1: Gottlieban for Dan and then Nan had hit us up
Speaker 1: on social media. Twitter is probably the easiest way to
Speaker 1: do so, and you can get in on this discussion
Speaker 1: as it is a fluid story. We get to hear
Speaker 1: from the Big twelve and the sec coming up next.
Speaker 1: Zion Williamson's name is in the news, not because he's
Speaker 1: in quarantine in the NBA bubble, but because there is
Speaker 1: yet another lawsuit that says his family took money while
Speaker 1: he played at Duke. Is it legit or is it frivolous?
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Speaker 1: to a dead Spin article he wrote in regards to
Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes new contract upcoming next hour. Matter of fact,
Speaker 1: we'll do that in fifteen minutes. In the meantime, though, Rob,
Speaker 1: there's a new story out from March Sleigh, who I
Speaker 1: don't remember Mark slave Ball writing an article for ESPN
Speaker 1: dot com since he had the uh the article about
Speaker 1: Arizona basketball paying was it one hundred thousand dollars? To Um?
Speaker 1: What's the why am I forgetting the DeAndre Ayton? Yeah? Yea?
Speaker 1: Or yeah? So Mark slave Ball reappears and the new
Speaker 1: article starts with these three sentences. Zion Williamson's stepfather solicited
Speaker 1: and accepted a four hundred thousand dollars payment from a
Speaker 1: marketing agent in October of twenty eighteen, prior to Williamson's
Speaker 1: only season with Duke Basketball, according to a court motion
Speaker 1: and a sworn affidated by his former marketing representatives attorney
Speaker 1: in federal court on Thursday. What's your reaction, Um, not surprised, Doug.
Speaker 1: You know how this goes. Um. The people who were
Speaker 1: supposed to represent him, and they've they've funneled the money
Speaker 1: early on, and people a pay off and all kinds
Speaker 1: of stuff goes on. And then when he becomes the
Speaker 1: pro they pay it back or they now get a
Speaker 1: chance to represent him in other avenues so that they
Speaker 1: make money. This is just how it's done, and it's
Speaker 1: been done forever. And of course they got jilted at
Speaker 1: the altar right after they guess par laid or or
Speaker 1: or funded, you know, allegedly funded Zion and his stepfather
Speaker 1: and family. And they get jilted at the altar when
Speaker 1: somebody else agency comes in and scoops up to guy
Speaker 1: who's gonna make a gazillion dollars and then they expose
Speaker 1: everything that went on. How many times have we seen
Speaker 1: this movie? Right? Yeah? The problem with it is this
Speaker 1: appears to be, or is or is said to be,
Speaker 1: a completely frivolous lawsuit based upon Williamson's attorney, a guy
Speaker 1: named Jeffrey Klein, said, quote the alleged agreements and driver's
Speaker 1: license attached. These papers are fraudulent and neither mister Williamson
Speaker 1: or his family know these individuals nor had any dealings
Speaker 1: with them. We've previously alerted mister Ford's lawyers to both
Speaker 1: this fact and that we had previously reported the documents
Speaker 1: to law enforcement as forgeries, but but they chose to
Speaker 1: go ahead with another frivolous filing. Anyway, this is a
Speaker 1: desperate and irresponsible attempt to smear mister Williams at the
Speaker 1: very time he is the opportunity to live his dream
Speaker 1: playing professional basketball. Klein said in a letter that one
Speaker 1: of the men involved purportedly attempted to defraud Luca don
Speaker 1: Chick using a scheme in which he ford don Chick
Speaker 1: and don checks and his mother's signature on a contract.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is there's confirmation bias in this
Speaker 1: that filing a lawsuit does not mean that there's actual
Speaker 1: legitimate evidence. And you know this becomes confirmation bias because
Speaker 1: the story you're pointing out is one that has happened before, Right,
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. I'm must say I said allegedly
Speaker 1: because I don't know, and that has to be figured out.
Speaker 1: That's why I used the word allegedly. But I'm saying
Speaker 1: this is not new. We've seen this before, and sometimes
Speaker 1: people are better at at hiding it and making sure
Speaker 1: you can't track and trace the money trail, and then
Speaker 1: other times people get caught. Uh, Reggie Bush and USC,
Speaker 1: weren't they involved in something very similar to this? Yes?
Speaker 1: This is basically these allegors denied. Wasn't that denied all
Speaker 1: the way through? Yes? Except Reggie Reggie had a car,
Speaker 1: There was there was there was actual money, there's an
Speaker 1: actual contract, whereas in this particular case there's just an
Speaker 1: alleged contract and autograph and driver's license and both are
Speaker 1: said to be forgeries. So if they're forgeries, this becomes
Speaker 1: a frivolous lawsuit, and well they'll be thrown out then,
Speaker 1: I mean that it will be doesn't Will we discuss what?
Speaker 1: Will we discussed with the same energy that we're discussing now. No,
Speaker 1: But that's not how we do business. That's not why
Speaker 1: why you're You're you teach journalism at USC. Shouldn't you
Speaker 1: be teaching that. You should have the exact same energy
Speaker 1: to when something gets thrown out as when something gets reported.
Speaker 1: That That sounds good, Doug, But that's not how it works.
Speaker 1: That's bad journalism. I know it's not bad, it is, Doug.
Speaker 1: Do we write a story every day that says every
Speaker 1: plane landed safely at LAX today? Have you ever read
Speaker 1: that story. No, what does that have to do with it?
Speaker 1: Because it's about the unusual or different things that happen
Speaker 1: that make it news. When a plane doesn't land safely,
Speaker 1: that's when you write up the story. That's when that
Speaker 1: story is big in headlines. Is what I'm trying to
Speaker 1: tell you is there is a difference. And it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that you don't cover the story if it's false.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean that you have to wait as
Speaker 1: a journalist until it's all finished before you report something.
Speaker 1: That's not how it I'm I'm not I'm not critic
Speaker 1: I'm not criticizing Mark schleiball because if you read the
Speaker 1: actual article, okay I would, I would say that you know,
Speaker 1: it does take three paragraphs until it takes uh let's
Speaker 1: see here, it takes three paragraphs before you get to
Speaker 1: the response that it's uh, it's alleged to be uh
Speaker 1: fraudulent and a forgery. But I'm not I'm not saying
Speaker 1: you can't report this. I'm saying that we we we
Speaker 1: just we do this thing to where now somebody reads
Speaker 1: the headline, reads the first couple of paragraphs like, all right,
Speaker 1: well I know that story, that's the Reggie Bush story,
Speaker 1: that must be what happened here all the way down
Speaker 1: to it's his stepdad. Just like Reggie Bush, the gentleman
Speaker 1: who took money from the wanna be agent was his
Speaker 1: stepdad as well. I'm not saying that there there isn't
Speaker 1: history to back up the confirmation bias. But what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is, if this in fact is a fraud guy
Speaker 1: and a frivolous lawsuit in which the guy tried to
Speaker 1: do it previously, we should as journalists say like, look,
Speaker 1: here's there, here's the deal. To me, I'm not disputing
Speaker 1: what you what you're saying where this has happened before, right,
Speaker 1: this is how you how you get to guys. I
Speaker 1: would also tell you that this is why the end
Speaker 1: was just another reason why the NCAA has tried to
Speaker 1: keep these guys away from taking money from anybody, because
Speaker 1: when you take money from people, you don't have any
Speaker 1: idea who you're really taking money for or who they're
Speaker 1: connected to. This is why, you know, the whole idea
Speaker 1: of players having agents while being in college can be
Speaker 1: a bad idea unless the agents are registered agents so
Speaker 1: that you know that they're not they're not you know,
Speaker 1: bad people for lack of a better term. So I
Speaker 1: actually think that the NCAA in many ways gets gets
Speaker 1: blamed for doing good when they're protecting players from these
Speaker 1: sorts of individuals that will perpetrate for frauds until they,
Speaker 1: you know, find the big fish that they can link onto.
Speaker 1: That sounds good, and that sounds like in a perfect world,
Speaker 1: that would be perfect. But when you have kids coming
Speaker 1: from less fortunate situations and they don't have money and
Speaker 1: their parents don't have money, or the people and people
Speaker 1: are offering money, dug, that's just not realistic. It's just
Speaker 1: is it. That sounds good for a person who has
Speaker 1: money and has a home and a family and people
Speaker 1: are okay. But if you're playing ball and all this
Speaker 1: money is around you and they're selling your jersey and
Speaker 1: the gift shop and they're selling season tickets and the
Speaker 1: games are on CBS that has a six billion dollar
Speaker 1: contract with the NCAA, and the kid can't get a
Speaker 1: hundred dollars to take a check out. True. Not true
Speaker 1: of all of what you have picture, all of what
Speaker 1: you have said, It's not true. Everything you've said, it's
Speaker 1: not true. Okay, because players get cost of attendance. They
Speaker 1: have money in their pockets. Okay, Zion Wimson didn't come
Speaker 1: from some massive despair or whatever. And if you come
Speaker 1: from that background, you two can get a pell grant
Speaker 1: in addition to the cost of attendance and the scholarship.
Speaker 1: Those contracts are based upon having tournament games. The value
Speaker 1: is in the volume of games and the name on
Speaker 1: the front of the chest. Because these guys come and
Speaker 1: go and you're you're painting a picture which is just
Speaker 1: not act. You're it that there's all this money and
Speaker 1: a guy can't get one hundred dollar handschie of course,
Speaker 1: of course, and Zion Williamson billion dollars for amateur sports,
Speaker 1: and at amateur it's not about amateur sports. It's about
Speaker 1: the tournament and gambling on the tournament. You're we'll discuss
Speaker 1: this coming up. Rob has authored an article that actually
Speaker 1: says Pat Mahomes didn't sign a great contract. We'll discuss
Speaker 1: it next in the Dan Patrick Show.