WEBVTT - Hour 1 – Brett McMurphy (07-10-20) 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.600 You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:07.480 Sports Radio. What up? Good morning, Doug Gottlieb, Rob Parker 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:10.120 in for Dan and the Dan Nettes. Here, I'm Dan 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:13.800 Patrick Show Fox Sports Radio. iHeart radio app and believe 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:15.720 it or not, who we got a lot going on, 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:20.040 or maybe we have a lot of stories about things 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:25.920 that won't actually happen. That's the crazy status of two 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:29.000 thy twenty. Rob Parker's got an article that's going to 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:31.520 drop on dead Spin. I want him to pitch that 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:36.240 to us. Upcoming in the show, Zion Wood some some 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:39.400 some more kind of a paper trail in terms of Zion, 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:44.720 Williamson and Duke and what appears to be some sort 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:48.120 of parallel to the Reggie Bush and USC case. Will 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:51.400 get to that. Plus NBA players are in quarantine and 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:55.560 most of them appear to be kind of unhappy about 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:59.080 the setup so far. But before we get to that, 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:02.120 let's let's get to rob to the story of the day. 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:05.640 Good morning, good morning to you. Um okay, So yesterday 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:09.400 the Big Ten announced that they will not play non 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:13.800 conference games. The ACC is expected to announce the same. 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:18.039 Big Ten, I mean, Big twelve SEC have not said anything. 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:22.840 Pac twelve sort of hedging and waiting. What's you know 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:27.600 you're having high school football in Texas? In Texas, you 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:30.280 know people who organize high school fotball saying very unlikely 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:32.880 to have a season. What's your reaction first to the 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:37.720 Big ten news of yesterday. Yeah, I mean I get it. 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:41.319 I mean this is a fluid situation, Doug. Nobody really 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:44.959 knows that people are hoping against hope, trying to figure 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:48.240 something out. How can we keep it as close as 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:53.240 possible and not make big travel arrangements or plans or 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:57.280 you know, to try to somehow have a control over it. 0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:00.920 It's not exactly the bubble, right, but but it's just 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:03.560 Big ten. You know, you're not you're not going outside 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:06.360 of that. I don't know if it'll work. There's there's 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:11.120 a lot of stuff that's involved, and especially just the nature. 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:15.040 To me, I think football and basketball are tougher because 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:19.920 of the nature because there is physical contact, they're sweat, 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:23.519 there's saliva, there's all kinds of stuff that Doug, you 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:28.239 cannot avoid, uh, passing on to the guy next to you, right, 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:34.480 because the nature of the games. So you know, if 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:39.840 you're hoping for college football and pro football, and high 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:42.280 school football. I don't know. I think it's all up 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:45.480 in the air. I think they're hoping against hope. And 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:49.000 as someone who teaches at USC, I'm an adjunct professor, 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:53.200 we've already been told we're gonna be teaching remotely. So 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:56.640 if kids aren't going to classes or whatever, it's hard 0:02:56.680 --> 0:03:01.440 for me to imagine that they're playing football together. Yeah. Well, look, 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:04.080 the se thing has set into motion a lot of 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:08.400 alarm bells around the country. And the issue with USC 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:12.240 having classes online is if I'm going to spend seventy 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:15.480 thousand dollars a year and tuition actually went up for 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:19.160 for USC, it did, yeah, yeah, yeah to tuition went up, 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:21.480 and but okay, so I'm gonna pay and it wouldn't 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:24.960 be seventy grand if you're not obviously on campus. Um, 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:27.520 but if you're gonna pay all this money, you you're 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.160 you're paying for the college experience, not just for the 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:33.160 brand USC when you're done, which obviously does have a 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:36.560 substantial portion of the value. And I know parents who 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:38.720 are supposed to send their kids to SC like I 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:40.760 ain't doing it. We're taking a year off and we'll we'll, 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:42.760 we'll roll the dice as to whether or not my 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:46.280 kid gets in the next time around. Um, but but 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:50.120 that that kind of starts the trickle down of Okay, 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:53.400 if enrollment's going to be down and we don't know 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:56.800 if we can have students on campus, how can we 0:03:56.840 --> 0:04:02.160 save money? And this appears like there's I think there's 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:05.760 some unintended and intended consequences, and I'm really interested to 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:07.920 hear what you think about. Doug gotlie Brod Parker in 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:12.240 for Dan the Dan at Dan Patrick's show. I guess 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:16.800 the question is, are the intended consequences that we don't 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:21.280 we have fewer games, less contact between players, or like, look, 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:22.960 the Big Ten said, if we do this, we're still 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:25.640 gonna do ten games, We're just not going to have 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:29.240 non conference games, which to me strikes to the hey, 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:31.680 we don't want to pay we don't we don't want 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.640 to pay the million dollars at costs for Bowling Green 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:37.960 or whomever to come play our poements, as opposed to 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:41.839 if we have no fans or if we have this 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:46.440 massive downfall in terms of in terms of how much 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:49.359 money we are actually making, this is a way to 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.400 save money, and then the unintended consequence or maybe It's 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:55.760 an intended consequence is it continues to separate the rich 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:59.080 from the poor. In college athletics, which has been a 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:03.880 big like this is my thing with coronavirus and what 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:06.440 it's done to the economy. I'm not sure there are 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:10.080 many businesses that have truly been ruined. It's just sped 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:13.480 up the process of businesses that are not in good shape, 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:18.400 right Like, yes, the restaurant business and entertainment. It's concerts 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:21.039 really hard for those businesses. But there are a lot 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:26.520 of you know, in college sports, the non Bowl Championship Series, 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.919 major conferences, those things are just kind of held together 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:33.400 by duct tape, and this pulls out the legs from 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:37.520 those chairs because they need those payouts for the rest 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:40.600 of their athletic department. If they don't have them, I 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:42.760 don't know how they have the rest of the athletic department. 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:45.440 And if they have football this year, they're going to 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:48.279 only lose money. If they don't have football this year, 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:51.839 they lose all their players. And thus the conferences like 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:56.279 the MAC conferences that aren't part of the Big Six, 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:58.600 all of a sudden now become a house of cards 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:02.400 and you get that separate that those big conferences wanted anyway. No, 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:06.320 I don't disagree that part of that is is um 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:09.240 a factor. And one of my favorite songs is Cindy 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:13.719 Lapper Money Changes Everything. You know that song, Doug, Yes, yeah, 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:15.960 I love that song. Um, but but I did not 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:19.320 nely be quoting Cindy Lapper at six or seven on 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:23.200 the West Coast. I'm stuck in the eighties, so I'm 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:26.960 all into the uh the eighties song. But Cindy Lauper song. 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:29.919 I love that song. And money does change everything. It 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:33.120 is mostly about money. And you're right, if they can 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:36.080 save money and not pay out to people that they 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:39.080 normally would write a big check for. And and you 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:41.960 know that's how Michigan pads. It's uh, a lot of 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.680 schools pad their win total to start the season, dug 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:47.960 with two or three cupcakes, uh, you know, and beat 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:50.560 them up and then they go and then play it 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:57.760 play against their their conference uh opponents. Um. But I 0:06:57.760 --> 0:06:59.760 don't know. I don't know if we look when you 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:04.160 look at the financial part of it is you're are 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:07.719 you saying they're hoping that these other schools shake out 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:10.760 and collapse. No, I don't. I don't I think that 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:15.120 that's an unintended consequence. Okay, I think I do think 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:19.600 the intended consequences to save money. Right, everybody's our our 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:21.800 company is trying to save money, TV and radio, like, 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:25.120 how can we how can we trim the margins because 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:28.400 it's already been a bad year and it's likely to 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:32.400 only get worse in terms of schools, right, And while 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:35.760 school schools are just not built, they're they're built to 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:40.360 consistently make more money because they spend more money because 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:44.040 they have to, you know, reinvest in their infrastructure. They 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:47.160 carry a uh, you know, they carry debt with them 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:50.680 over all these massive construction projects, and you know, they 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:54.360 want to keep getting donations for their endowment. And while 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:56.520 people at you know, say, well why can't athletic departments 0:07:56.600 --> 0:08:00.120 draw from the endowment, That's not how it works. Meanwhile, you're, well, 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:03.080 you're not because just because they don't want to do that. 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:05.880 It's not that they can't, it's just that they don't 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:07.840 want to. No, no, no, no, because they can't it 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:12.600 based upon how how their uh their their own constitutions 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:16.240 are written. Many schools, there there's a limit, if any 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:20.240 that endowment that can go to athletics. Additionally, you have 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:23.160 to factor in that while athletic departments are going to 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:25.120 be and already are losing money and they're going to 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:28.160 lose more money, so too is the school is going 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:30.960 to The school is going to lose massive amounts of money, 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:33.960 and the endowment's going to shrink, not just because of 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:36.680 the investments of what happens there, but because no one's 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:39.720 gonna be making donations. And like all of this stuff 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:43.640 kind of all it's a it's um, it's like a 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:48.199 it's like it's like an organism that all sembiotically works together. Right, 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:51.560 Like the college football is important not just for the 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:53.720 bottom line of the money that it makes. It also 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:55.599 obviously makes money from the TV and the radio and 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:59.480 the rights broadcast, but also those, as you said, cupcake games. 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:03.280 While you're spending money the town, those college towns make 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:06.640 a ton of money on those games. Hotels, restaurants, all 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:10.360 the sororities and fraternities, welcome back alumni, all the parking spots, 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:13.480 everything the parking tickets, everything in town. Everything makes money 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.520 in those small college towns based upon those college football games. Additionally, 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:19.960 you bring back the alumni. That's when the athletic directors 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:24.359 and other school executives come and hit people up for donations, 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:27.000 not just for the football program athletic department, but for 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:29.320 the rest of the school. Like it all does actually 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:34.120 work together, right, It trickles down and it's not isolated. 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:37.800 It affects everything. And you're right, even to the guy 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:42.680 who's who's selling the parking spots in town, that goes away. 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:46.520 That was money. Say if a person had a parking 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:48.800 lot and that's how he made his money in during 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:53.319 the college football season, that helps fund to pay his mortgage. Dog, 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:55.440 you know what I mean over the course of a year. 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:58.120 And now there's no football games in town and that 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:01.680 money that I always counted on has gone away. So 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:06.079 so yes, it has affected so many things, and I 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:10.480 still think that I'm not convinced. I heard Jim Harball 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:13.800 with Michigan trying to say, well, that's not all fall. 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:16.280 We didn't start the corona and the kids want to 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:19.320 of course, the kids want to play. Jim that that 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:22.439 that's obvious. The football players, that's what they've done their 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:26.120 whole lives. But I also think that there's a part 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.840 of trying to keep these kids safe and figure out 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:32.960 if this is really worth it, that that maybe Dug, 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:37.040 there's gotta be maybe there's gonna be one year without 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:41.680 college football because it's just not safe and healthy enough 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:45.199 for people to partake in it. And I know it's devastating, 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:49.960 but I think sometimes people when they talk about trying 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:53.240 to get it back, there's selfish reasons. You know, they 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:55.840 want to play, they want to get paid, they want 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.200 things to kind of go on. But but sometimes you 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:00.440 gotta take a look at them at the bigger picture, 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:05.360 and that is, can you really, in good conscience tell 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:09.319 kids not to come to class on campus, Dog, but 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:12.040 tell them to play football at a school where the 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:16.160 student bodies not welcome back. Something doesn't sound right. Okay, 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:17.960 well I'm gonna disagree with you, but we'll get to 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:21.080 that upcoming. Why Rob Parker, Doug gottlieb in for Dan 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:23.880 the Danetts, Brett McMurphy is going to join us upcoming next? 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:28.440 What does the Big ten decision due to the college 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:32.000 football landscape? What about the Big twelve and the SEC? 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:35.600 What's the likelihood we have a season? This idea of 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:39.080 spring football I believe has massive, massive flaws. We'll get 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:41.880 to all of that and take some of your comments 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:44.360 on social media as well. As maybe a phone call 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:46.559 er too with Rob Parker. Ro'm Doug Gottlieb. This is 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:49.480 the Dan Patrick Show. Be sure to catch the live 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.440 edition of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:56.000 Eastern six am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the 0:11:56.120 --> 0:12:01.400 iHeart Radio app. You know I'm bopping around? How are 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:06.160 you bopping around? Like to Cindy Lauper. I love this 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:11.640 song of the Cindey Lauper songs, this does not It's 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:17.480 definitely not in the top three. No no, no, no, no, 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:20.040 no no. But see it's so you know, a lot 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:23.040 of times it's easy just to pick the best, the 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:25.680 three biggest songs. Sometimes there's a there's a nugget in 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:28.440 there question, or there's a song right that that you 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:32.440 really connect to for whatever reason. This this really connects 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:36.720 to me. Okay, So there there's probably five songs. There's 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:39.280 five songs. Brett McMurphy's a product of the eighties as well, 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:42.360 of course, works for Stadium Sports as college football insider 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:45.280 Brett Bret Brett will get to bigger and more important stuff. 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:48.920 But Rob Parker in the All Time Upsets is a 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:51.880 huge fan of Cindy Lauper. She's from Queens like a 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:54.640 great there's lots of great people from Queens. She's a 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:57.760 marvelous singer, and you know she was incredible in the eighties. 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:02.280 But um, one between liking Cyndy lapper and and picking 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:04.000 out a song that's not girls just want to have 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:08.400 fun time after time true colors she bop or that 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:12.040 uh good good love is good enough song from the Goonies, 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:16.480 Like that's the top five. Everything else pails in comparison, Brett, 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:20.000 how are you good morning? Too good? I was? I 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:25.440 don't know. It's gonna be quized on Sndy Lappery. You 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:27.600 know pretty much every song I could think of her? 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:31.600 Why those are all the obvious songs? If you're Cyndi 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:34.400 lauper fem. Money changes everything is one that I don't 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:39.200 think everybody knows. Money does change everything. Okay, Brett, let's 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:41.640 get to the speaking of money changing right. It's a 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:44.800 great segue. I excellent job by you, Rob, professional podcaster 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:48.559 and journalists. Um, okay, So the Big Ten yesterday announces 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:52.160 no non conference games if we play We're gonna play 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:58.160 ten conference games. Uh, what's your reaction to that news? Well, 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:01.400 it it was It was not a suspected among other 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:05.520 athletic directors and administrators at the other league. What was 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:10.400 a surprise is the timing of the announcement. Everyone thought 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:13.120 the Big Ten was going to make this announcement next week. 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:17.320 So people are wondering within the industry why the urgency 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:19.400 for the Big Ten to come out and make this 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:23.960 announcement yesterday. And what it does now is I think 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.440 the Power five leagues have said they wanted to come 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:30.320 out with a plan for the fall season together whatever 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:33.320 that would be conference only, conference only plus one or 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:36.840 two non conference games, twelve games were delay in the season, 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:40.560 whatever that's going to be, and the timeline was around 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:43.720 end of July August first. However, with the Big Ten 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:47.080 coming out with this news, what it does now is 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:50.800 it kind of boxes everybody else in and so I 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:52.840 don't think I don't think you're going to see any 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:56.800 teams play twelve games this year in Power five or 0:14:56.880 --> 0:15:00.240 the Group of five leagues because now you simply don't 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:03.280 have the inventory out there when you take the Big 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:06.400 Ten off the table. The PAC twelve, you know, because 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:09.600 of their geographic challenges out there on the West Coast, 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:12.440 it's going to be hard for them and there they 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:15.680 were leaning towards going conference only anyway, I've been told 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:19.200 it's likely the ACC would go conference only. Plus they 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:21.840 have Notre Dame which they will kind of take under 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:24.080 their wing and make sure Notre Dame as enough games. 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:27.520 So now, if you're the SEC, the big twelve um 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:31.040 for you to get a you know, twelve quality games, 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:34.400 there simply aren't enough teams out there. So that was 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:38.040 my biggest takeaway yesterday with the with the big tent announcement. 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:42.200 But is there a money factor as well? Just the 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:45.160 whole line. Doug brought this up at the top of 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:49.000 the show about not paying the other schools that you 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.720 normally usher were in the big pay days to come 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:54.640 in and get beat up on. Is this part of it, 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:58.000 you know? I don't really. I don't really think so. 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:00.440 Because of the look the Big ten they can forward 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:02.640 to pay these schools to come in and pay them 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:04.920 a million bucks are more to come in. That's not 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:07.480 an issue. Certainly, they're going to lose money because there 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.880 if those games are played and the stadium is only 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:14.360 a fourth fool because of COVID, you're you're going to 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:16.480 lose money. But I don't think that's the biggest thing. 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:19.120 I think the biggest thing is that the Big Ten 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:21.800 and I think other conferences feel this way, especially at 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:25.120 the Power five level. If you're a Big ten conference 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:28.560 school and your your safety guidelines say range from one 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:31.280 through fifty, and you've got to go through all these 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:34.400 different steps. Now you're playing a team from another conference 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:37.120 and maybe their guidelines are only one through twenty five. 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:41.000 Do you really want to put your student athletes, you know, 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:46.560 in that situation where the opponent you're playing UM doesn't 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:50.720 go through the same safety guidelines that you do. And 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:52.720 so I think that was the bigger thing. Is a 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:56.400 conference they can they can control everything as far as 0:16:56.560 --> 0:17:01.400 testing different guidelines and safety measures, so they know everybody's playing. 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:04.800 It's apples to apples comparison. But when you step outside 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:08.119 of conference, especially if you step down and play a 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.960 group of five school who don't have the financial means 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:13.359 to test it frequently and do all these other things, 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:16.920 then you know, then it's a it's a big question mark. 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:19.240 I think that's a bigger thing. But when I sing 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:21.280 with the money UM, I think that that will play 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:24.720 a big part on how many conference games these teams play. 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:27.199 You know, is a conference they will sit there and 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:29.240 get with their TV partners and say, Okay, if we 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:32.200 play eight conference games, it's worth x amount of money. 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:34.159 What if we play nine, it's worth this much? What 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:36.840 if we play tennis for this much? And that will 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:39.480 that will play a big, big role in determining how 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:42.920 many conference games these guys play going forward. That is, 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:45.400 if we do actually get to have a college football season. 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:48.159 All right, let's let's get to that big question. Um, 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:53.040 when is the forgive the forgive the phrase? When is 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:57.359 the drop dead date? You know, Doug really isn't one. 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:00.080 You know, technically they could run it up and so 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:02.600 right before kickoff and then say look, we'll pulling the plug. 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.720 But they did want to determine or make some type 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:09.800 of announcement by by August first, Um, and say, look, 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:13.160 here's the plan. We're going forward with the twelve game schedule. Look, 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:16.640 we're going to we're going to pause. Then they even 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:18.959 don't want to call it delay because that's negative. They 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:21.800 want to say it we're taking a pause. We're taking 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:24.879 a pause. We're going to move the season back and 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:28.160 start the last week of September. Whatever it is. They 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:31.159 wanted to do that around August first to the end 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:34.040 of July. So I think at that time that's when 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:37.800 we'll have a better definitive idea from all these other 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.719 conferences and certainly the Big Ten. Also, they've got to 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:43.200 figure out what schedule they're going to do. Just because 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:45.399 they're going conference only doesn't mean they pick up the 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:49.120 schedule as this. Several ads and a big tent told me, Look, 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.919 we've got to change our conference schedules up just because 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:56.760 of the dates, UM and different um challenges of you know, 0:18:57.000 --> 0:19:00.600 multiple open dates between conference games and different things UM. 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:03.240 And so I think I think everyone would hope to 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:05.960 do it by artist first because that way you could 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:09.800 get TV on board certainly for planning purposes and those 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:13.040 sort of things. But it looks they can. They were 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:16.240 planning to play the NCAA basketball tournament until they weren't, 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:17.920 and I think that's going to be the same thing 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:20.199 with college football, Yes, but it's much more of a 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:22.800 it's a much bigger ship with all of the with 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:26.919 the absolutely right like and um and you know, like 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:31.080 Rob pointed out, he adjunct professor at USC, they're going 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:35.920 mostly online, which signifies you know, sc a major school 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:38.320 player in college football saying we're not going to have 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:42.520 students on campus. That's one of the big warning signs 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:46.320 that we won't have college football. So okay, I guess 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:49.240 best guests, where are we as of today? Again, I 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:53.679 know it's a fluid situation. We're at July tenth. Do 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:58.280 we have college football? I think they're going to turn 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:01.400 like hell to do it. And I think we may 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:04.359 start out pre college football. I don't think we've finished 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:08.600 the season, just because you know, as you've seen recently, 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:12.400 you know, Ohio State shutdown, worked out in North Carolina, Kansas, 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:16.840 all over the country. Because of the positive spikes, you know, 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:19.000 and the one thing you did mention about USC and 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:22.600 the online promises, the commissioners have kind of I don't 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:25.640 want to say they've they found a loophole, but they 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:30.920 have kind of re characterized that by saying, we need 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:34.000 to have some students on campus for our student athletes 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:36.560 to play football. Well, some could be one hundred, some 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:38.760 could be a thousand. We don't have to have twenty 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:42.280 thousand students on campus, is what they're saying. So they've 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:45.240 got to try to play because of the financial implications 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:49.120 if they don't. Look back in April and I said, 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:51.400 I hope I'm wrong. I said, I don't think we're 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:54.960 gonna have a season because I didn't think the university 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:58.120 presidents would allow all the all these students back on campus. 0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:00.480 They've kind of changed that where they don't need all 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:04.199 the students back on campus. But ultimately, uh, you know, 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:06.360 I hope I'm wrong, but I don't. I don't think 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:09.520 we end up having a season. I hate that. If 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:11.800 if it's not safe in that for kids to come 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:15.160 back on campus and take a class together in a room, 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:21.320 then how's it safe but to play football? But wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, guys, guys, guys, guys, 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:23.720 and Rob. I'm not trying to cut either of you 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:29.280 guys off. Can anyone point to any sort of statistics 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:32.440 that say that, right like, the fear is not for 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:37.320 the student athletes. The fear one is obviously litigation, but 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:42.359 but the fear is for everybody else, the professors you know, 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:45.399 who could or a regular student who could have some 0:21:45.440 --> 0:21:48.399 pre existing health conditions that a student athlete wouldn't have. 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:51.600 There isn't any I've yet to have been shown any 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:55.959 sort of statistical uh um sign that us that an 0:21:56.000 --> 0:22:00.560 athlete would actually be at at at substantial risk. I agree, 0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:02.439 and I'm not saying they would or wouldn't. I'm just 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:05.520 saying that it seems like people right now, and I'm 0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:08.320 not saying this is right or wrong, but people are 0:22:08.320 --> 0:22:12.360 not comfortable with if people are positive with the disease 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:16.560 of going forward. But it's just it's funny where they're like, well, 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:20.000 it's these universities are saying it's not safe for us 0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:23.840 to have, you know, fifty students in a classroom, but 0:22:23.880 --> 0:22:26.800 it is safe for our university to play football. I'm 0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:29.320 not saying that's right or wrong. I'm just saying, how 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:32.040 can one be okay and the other can't be okay? 0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:35.359 Shouldn't both be okay? Or shouldn't both be not okay? 0:22:35.440 --> 0:22:38.879 So that's ultimately getting back to your question why I 0:22:38.920 --> 0:22:41.640 think we don't have a season because there's so many 0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:44.639 different things like that, and you nailed something a second 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:47.240