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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. In the last days, a

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Speaker 1: major development in the case against a man accused of

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Speaker 1: murdering a beautiful young school teacher, mom, Eliza Fletcher. I'm

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation and SiriusXM one eleven.

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Speaker 1: We all remember when Eliza Fletcher was out jogging super

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Speaker 1: early in the morning, between four and five o'clock in

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Speaker 1: the morning, and then she goes missing. The frantic search

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Speaker 1: ended in the discovery of her body. In the last days,

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Speaker 1: Cleotha Apston Henderson pleads not guilty to the horrific murder

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Speaker 1: of Eliza Fletcher. He appeared at the Shelby County Criminal

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Speaker 1: Court charged with multiple offenses this as we know, the

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Speaker 1: convicted felon is also accused of raping Alicia Franklin back

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. Her rape kit sat there basically

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Speaker 1: unnoticed for over a year. Nothing was done and while

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Speaker 1: he's out walking free, never jailed or tried on her rape.

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Speaker 1: He finds Eliza Fletcher and doesn't settle with just attacking her.

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Speaker 1: He murders her as well. Again. Cleotha Absen Henderson, age

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Speaker 1: thirty eight arraigned at the Shelby County Criminal Court on

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Speaker 1: multiple charges, including the rape and kidnap of another woman.

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Speaker 1: Where did it all start?

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Speaker 2: Listen, It's been just over twelve hours since Elijah Fletcher

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Speaker 2: disappeared and multiple agencies had wined forces, and I can

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Speaker 2: tell you there's a lot of concern in the community

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Speaker 2: as time passes by. Where is Eliza Fletcher? That's the

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Speaker 2: question many are asking across the Mid South after investigators

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Speaker 2: say that Avid Jogger was adducted.

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Speaker 3: It's very important that if anybody knows the whereabouts of

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Speaker 3: miss Fletcher to contact the police immediately.

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Speaker 2: Fletcher was jogging down Central Avenue around four point thirty

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Speaker 2: this morning when investigators say she was approached by someone

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Speaker 2: who forced her into a dark colored suv and drove off.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to hear that that's going on. We

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Speaker 1: want to find her.

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Speaker 4: We don't know what's going on.

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Speaker 2: Hart Robinson is a friend of Fletcher and got the

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Speaker 2: news this morning and immediately came to the area of

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Speaker 1: Where everybody's desperately looking for it. The search was on

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Speaker 1: for the missing mom of to Eliza Fletcher. You were

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Speaker 1: just hearing our friends at wr EG Channel three. There

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Speaker 1: were owing two clothes left behind. Listen.

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Speaker 2: Fletcher's cell phone and a water bottle were found in

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Speaker 2: front of a home owned by the University of Memphis,

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Speaker 2: and a safety alert sent to students. They say she

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Speaker 2: was reported missing after not returning home from her run.

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Speaker 2: The SUV that she was last seen in was spotted

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Speaker 2: driving westbound down Central Avenue. Multiple agencies, including the FBI,

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Speaker 2: are assisting with the case. Would one goal in mind,

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Speaker 2: find Eliza Fletcher.

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Speaker 3: Our concern is to locate miss Fletcher. So if anybody

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Speaker 3: knows where she's at, call the police immediately.

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Speaker 1: Really just think her life could have been spared. I

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Speaker 1: firmly believe it, and then the frantic search. Listen to

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Speaker 5: Around seven to fifty am, roughly three hours after the abduction,

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Speaker 5: the suspect's brother and another witness telling investigators they saw

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Speaker 5: him wash his clothes in a sink and clean the

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Speaker 5: inside of the car with floor cleaner, According to an affidavit.

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Speaker 5: The brother also said he was acting very strange. That

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Speaker 5: bizarre scene, allegedly unfolding less than a mile from where

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Speaker 5: police discovered the unidentified body late Monday. The affidavit also

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Speaker 5: says Abstin left sandals behind, Authorities using DNA from those

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Speaker 1: So, while the frantic search throughout the Memphis area is

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Speaker 1: then the gruesome discovery Our friend's wrang.

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Speaker 6: A good wrenching discovery in South Memphis, as detectives confirm

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Speaker 6: a body was located a few yards away from where

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Speaker 6: Eliza Fletcher's alleged abductor came hours after her kidnapping. Monday,

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Speaker 6: Memphis police swarmed this area after finding a body in

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Speaker 6: The scene just a stone's throwaway from where Memphis police

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Speaker 6: say thirty eight year old Cleota Absent came hours after

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Speaker 7: Memphis police confirming those new details saying that the body

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Speaker 7: And now the man they had in custody, already charged

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Speaker 7: not far they said, within walking distance to an apartment

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Speaker 1: Our friends at Fox thirteen joining WRAG. When Eliza went missing,

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Speaker 1: the sirt ensued. You see the defendant, the suspect caught

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Speaker 1: acid to do that trick. It didn't work, blood throughout

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Speaker 1: his suv. And then a couple hundred yards away, the

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Speaker 1: body of Eliza Fletcher found just discarded in tall grass.

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Speaker 1: Her Lululemon running shorts found in a garbage bag not

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Speaker 1: her abduction, her likely rape, her murder could have all

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Speaker 1: been avoided. How take a listen to our friends at

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Speaker 8: The man accused of kidnapping and killing Eliza Fletcher is

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Speaker 8: facing three new criminal charges tonight. The charges are from

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Speaker 8: another case in twenty twenty one. In this case, he's

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Speaker 8: facing charges for aggravated rape, kidnapping, and unlawful possession of

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Speaker 8: a gun. Memphis Police confirm a sexual assault report was

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Speaker 8: taken on September twenty one of twenty twenty one. The

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Speaker 8: sexual assault kit was submitted to the Tennessee Bureau of

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Speaker 8: Investigations two days later on September twenty third, but that

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Speaker 8: kit was not tested until he was connected to Eliza

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Speaker 1: Did you hear that? Another aggravated kidnap and rape? All

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Speaker 1: the way back almost a year ago twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: a rape kit was taken to the Tennessee Bureau of

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Speaker 1: Investigations the TBI, and not a thing was done. It

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Speaker 1: sealed shut with the investigators initials over it to maintain

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Speaker 1: the chain of custody. Was the evidence that would have

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Speaker 1: put Kleiosha absence behind bars at the time Eliza was

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Speaker 1: panel to make sense of what we know right now?

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Speaker 1: But first I want to go to Dave maattcrimeonline dot

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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter Dave what went wrong?

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Speaker 9: Nancy?

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Speaker 10: You know, we talked about how quickly they were able

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Speaker 10: to identify the DNA of Kleiota Abstin on the slide

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Speaker 10: they found at the kidnapping scene for Eliza Fledger. They

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Speaker 10: turned that around in less than eighteen hours from the

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Speaker 10: moment they found the slides to the moment they identified

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Speaker 10: the DNA coming from Cleosa absence. In the case from

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Speaker 10: September twenty first, twenty twenty one, a woman reported the rape,

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Speaker 10: they did a rape kit, and forty eight hours later,

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Speaker 10: on September twenty third, the rape kit was submitted to

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Speaker 10: the TBI DNA case files. The problem is, unless they

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Speaker 10: order a rush on the DNA, it goes into the

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Speaker 1: Just stop, no offense, Dave Matt. But I really don't

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Speaker 1: want to hear that, because that is all BS. I know.

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Speaker 1: You're reporting where the TBI wants me to hear. But

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Speaker 1: when it comes to a life threatening violent crime, why

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Speaker 1: is there a wait? Ibay half my paycheck every year

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Speaker 1: the District Attorney's office. Since before that when I worked

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Speaker 1: at the library at Mercy University. Why do I pay

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Speaker 1: taxes so Cleota Abstin can walk free and murder Eliza Fletcher,

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Speaker 1: leaving her two children with no mother. You know how

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Speaker 1: much that screws a kid up forever. And you're telling

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Speaker 1: me it sounds like with a straight face that it

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Speaker 1: don't want to hear it. She's dead and she endured

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Speaker 1: a horrible death that sguv was covered in blood. I

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Speaker 1: put money on it. She was forcibly raped, likely sodomized

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Speaker 1: as well. Why because of a line? A queue for it?

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Speaker 1: Us crime stories with Nancy Grace for those of you

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Speaker 1: just joining Uskleiotha. Abston Henderson, aged thirty eight, has just

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Speaker 1: and death of a billionaire heiress. He also appeared in

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Speaker 1: court in connection with the rape of another young woman

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Speaker 1: he abducted, Alicia Franklin. In twenty twenty one. Abston Henderson

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Speaker 1: accused of killing elementary school teacher Eliza just thirty four,

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Speaker 1: Fletcher's to little children and that moment when she's kidnapped

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Speaker 1: His words were, this is going to be a long journey.

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Speaker 1: These cases do not resolve themselves in a brief period

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Speaker 1: But I hate more than that these children being raised

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Speaker 1: because this devil was out walking free. So Lisa Daddyo,

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Speaker 1: the director of the Center for Advanced Policing and Graduate

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Speaker 1: program coordinator, University of New Haven, Lisa, could you please

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Speaker 11: To say Honestly, Nancy, the police department messed up on

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Speaker 11: that one, and you know, I really wait.

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Speaker 1: Wait, wait, messed up. Let's just analyze what you just said,

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Speaker 1: Eliza is dead because they couldn't analyze a rape kit.

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Speaker 1: To Racial d Fisher joining me Special Guests, registered nurse,

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Speaker 1: sex assault nurse examiner. She's an expert witness. She's author

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Speaker 1: of Taking Back the Pen and you can find her

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Speaker 1: legal r in consult dot org. Rachel, do you ever

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Speaker 1: get tired of hearing about one fail after the next.

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Speaker 1: You deal with rape victims every day, and I keep

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Speaker 1: screaming it from the rooftops. A rape victim is never

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Speaker 1: the same like a child molestation victims. Yes, they can

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Speaker 1: go on about life, they seem like they're having a

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Speaker 1: normal life, but they're never the same after a rape.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you can say it better than me, Rachel.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, the impact that a victim has after being assaulted,

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Speaker 12: it's lifelong. It never goes away. It's a murder is

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Speaker 12: one thing that's the end result. But there are people

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Speaker 12: their lives. And it comes down to the fact that

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Speaker 12: jurisdic community is don't put an emphasis on crimes of

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Speaker 12: violence against women are the vulnerable. These sex crimes are

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Speaker 12: just tossed the side. There's not proper funding, we don't

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Speaker 12: adequately staff our law enforcement agency their crime labs. And

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Speaker 12: then the statues. I mean Tennessee, you don't even have

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Speaker 12: to the law enforcement agency does not even have to

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Speaker 12: turn over the kit until sixty days to the crime lab.

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Speaker 12: So the statutes are showing, Okay, there's not a priority.

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Speaker 12: What can happen in sixty days. A lot can happen.

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Speaker 12: Other rapes can happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like Eliza Fletcher can get murdered. And you know

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Speaker 1: another thing, Rachel D. Fisher, who is a rape sex

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Speaker 1: assault nurse examiner. It's a very very specialized area. I

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Speaker 1: wonder what that says to the rape victim, like Clotha

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Speaker 1: Well it's in the queue. It's like you're at Target

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Speaker 1: No, she's not buying a dozen apples. She's trying to

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Speaker 1: out of New York at Karenstart dot com. That's Karen

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Speaker 14: Nancy, you're not talking gibridge. This is how it happens.

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Speaker 14: People don't take it seriously enough. Here's something that will

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Speaker 1: Oh oh, this is the tip of the iceberg. Karen, Karen,

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Speaker 1: Karen Stark. This guy, claire Tha Austin started committing violent

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Speaker 1: Matthew Mangino, I'm not asking you to speak. I'm just

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Speaker 1: Ernie and author. He would argue, Oh, he was just eleven,

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Speaker 1: I might buy that at eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, but

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Speaker 1: when people say he started his one man crime wave

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Speaker 1: culminating in the murder of Eliza Fletcher. I mean, GINO,

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Speaker 14: Is outrageous and people, do you know that psycho test

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Speaker 1: Key walking free to grab a line. Okay, so what

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Speaker 15: Scientists pulled the recently tested kits matching Gabson Henderson for

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Speaker 15: twenty ninth. The sample was then entered into kotis, which

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Speaker 1: You know, it's just all blah blah blah words. Now,

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Speaker 1: you just as a legal expert. Don't put on your

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Speaker 1: just say that for the shrink. What you know, all

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Speaker 1: that's not a coincidence. There's no such thing in criminal law.

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Speaker 1: So they're trying to tell me that Eliza goes missing

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Speaker 13: What really happened, man Gino, Well, I think what really

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Speaker 16: And they immediately did an analysis.

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about that, Matthew CLARITHA Austin DNA IS

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Speaker 1: why when Eliza gets kidnapped and there's a search going on,

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Speaker 1: that DNA test. That's total bs. Why did they suddenly

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Speaker 16: To cover their butts? I mean, they failed. This was

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Speaker 1: CODA Combined DNA Index System exactly. It was cover your ass,

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Speaker 1: That's what it was. And I'm just wondering, Matthew Mangino,

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Speaker 1: circle back to Rachel D. Fisher, registered sex assault nurse examiner. Rachel,

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Speaker 1: could you please describe what is the procedure that you

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Speaker 12: A rape victim comes to the hospital, we do a

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Speaker 1: Slow down place. As I like to say, Rachel, we're

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Speaker 1: not having tea at High Grove with King Charles. Okay,

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Speaker 1: when you say we connect, we collect DNA from all

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Speaker 1: Then it's basically a pelvic exam and it takes a

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Speaker 12: It's a very intrusive exam. We spread their legs, we touch,

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Speaker 12: we swab, we insert speculums. We it's retraumatizing for the victim.

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Speaker 12: Essentially is what it is, because we're going back into

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Speaker 1: Okay, waite a minute. See, say you are an expert,

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Speaker 1: and when you just roll off comments like that, not

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Speaker 1: everybody knows what you mean when you say a speculum

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Speaker 12: That's the intent to get any sort of DNA off

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Speaker 1: Yes, And then you have the rape kit combing as

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Speaker 12: Take a comb and we go through the headhair, the

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Speaker 12: And the first victim of this case with a positive

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Speaker 1: we did with Rachel Dave Fisher. Could you please describe

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Speaker 1: the spectrum of demeanors You're right, victim patients have displayed.

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Speaker 12: They come in sometimes completely with no affect meaning their

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Speaker 12: sometimes they're crying. Trauma presents in very different ways, and

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Speaker 12: Like you, I've heard it all. But each victim processes

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Speaker 1: Karen start. You know, I'm thinking of these rape victims

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Speaker 14: That's right, Nancy, it is they disassociate. And you really

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Speaker 14: to death because everyone, each one of us is very,

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Speaker 1: Terrible and now, having spoken to the rest of our panel,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to lay it all in your lap, doctor

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Speaker 1: Kristen Middleman. She is this chief development officer at the

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Speaker 1: highly respected author ram Inc. You can find them at

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Speaker 1: Dnasols dot com. One of their specialties I have learned

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Speaker 1: is taking old or degraded DNA and somehow pulling a

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Speaker 1: miracle and getting a match. I'm talking about DNA that's

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Speaker 4: Have the technology to bring us justice.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, the judge was right, Judge

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Speaker 1: Lee Coffee, this is going to be a very long

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Speaker 1: road to hoe for Eliza's family. The key locations in

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Speaker 1: the kidnap case. First of all, on Central Avenue where

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Speaker 1: Eliza was snatched and forced into a GMC terrain. Trash

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Speaker 1: bags were found on South Orleans Street, trash bags containing

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Speaker 1: her purple Lululemon shorts. That her shorts were there, it

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Speaker 1: tells me she was raped. Interesting, I haven't heard that

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Speaker 1: he's charged with rape. Then there is sixteen sixty six

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Speaker 1: Victor Street body. Her body is found in tall grass

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Speaker 1: next to an abandoned building where I'm pretty sure he

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Speaker 1: was spotted at that building by witnesses. Then there's Person

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Speaker 1: Ave and Marjorie Street, and that's where the GMC terrain

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Speaker 1: was last seen turning left onto Person AV. I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: sure there's going to be video surveillance of that then

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Speaker 1: another spot of interest. The jury may very well go

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Speaker 1: see these locations like the Alex Morlock jury went to

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Speaker 1: go see the dog kennels at the Moselle Hunting Lodge

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Speaker 1: seventeen sixty five South Orleans Street. Defendant absencing clink meticulously

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Speaker 1: cleaning a GMC at his brother's apartment, just thinking about

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Speaker 1: how the husband realized she hadn't come back from the

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Speaker 1: jog and was trying to take care of the children,

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Speaker 1: wondering career is mommy? Her obituary described her as this

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Speaker 1: young school teacher, as the quote born athlete who found

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Speaker 1: great joy in her morning runs and was not afraid

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Speaker 1: when she.

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Speaker 2: Ran.

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Speaker 1: We know not only is Cleota asked in charge with

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Speaker 1: the kidnapp and rape of another woman. Court documents reveal

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Speaker 1: he was previously convicted of raping a man when he

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Speaker 1: was a teenager. This guy, now thirty eight, was eleven

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Speaker 1: eleven years old when he first appeared in the Shelby

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Speaker 1: County Juvenile Court charged with theft. He quickly graduated to rape,

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Speaker 1: aggravated assault, unlawful possession of a weapon, and now murder.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Kristen Middleman, first of all, I want to know

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Speaker 1: how they made the match and what likely statistical identification

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Speaker 1: we have of cleotha abstin and any insight you can

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Speaker 1: give us as to why they so horribly failed the

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Speaker 1: first rate victim, well, the last rate victim that we

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Speaker 1: know of, and Eliza, how did that happen? I mean,

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Speaker 1: you deal with this kind of thing every day, and

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Speaker 1: we are We're.

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Speaker 9: Going to deal with this kind of thing every single day,

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Speaker 9: and I, like you and everyone here at at THEM,

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Speaker 9: believe that it's an outrage that we do not have

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Speaker 9: the technology implemented that would be able to stop this

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Speaker 9: from happening. You know, we talked about this every single day,

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Speaker 9: but the Code of Testing system was created thirty years

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Speaker 9: ago and nothing new has come to forensic since in

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Speaker 9: order to help these investigators. You know, you say the

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Speaker 9: investigators might failed. I don't think the investigators are failing.

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Speaker 9: We work with these guys every single day, exactly, work

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Speaker 9: with CBI, and they work day and night trying to

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Speaker 9: make things work. They're not given the technology that's necessary

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Speaker 9: to be able to clear these cases at scale. The

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Speaker 9: government is who's failing. The government has failed to fund

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Speaker 9: and adopt new technologies that would allow us the backlogs

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Speaker 9: to truly clear. We have backlogs everywhere because this technology

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Speaker 9: is the way that it's written right now. It's not scalable.

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Speaker 9: You can't hire enough people to do on every single

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Speaker 9: test immediately and have a result in eight hours. It's

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Speaker 9: just not possible. But there is new technologies here. Are

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Speaker 9: Is this one of the new technologies that could help

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Speaker 9: clear a lot of the backlock that gets stuck when

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Speaker 9: there's no d any answer? But there are other new

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Speaker 9: technologies here. Could you imagine doing this podcast on computers

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Speaker 9: from thirty years ago?

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Speaker 16: No, you wouldn't.

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Speaker 9: You would get the new computer, you would get the

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Speaker 9: best mic, you would do the next best thing. You

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Speaker 9: would do it just for your business. Why isn't forensic changing?

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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, doctor Middleman, It is far far beyond

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Speaker 1: me your knowledge regarding DNA and scientific testing. But I'm

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Speaker 1: not asking for a result in eight hours? What about

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Speaker 1: eight days? What about eight weeks? What about eight months?

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Speaker 1: This was a year. The last rape victim that we

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Speaker 1: know of of Cleotha Auston's was September twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: It is now September twenty twenty two, and you're preaching

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Speaker 1: to the choir, Doctor Middleman, I spent a third of

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Speaker 1: my time as a prosecutor at the Georgia State Crime Lab.

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Speaker 1: And can I tell you those people work like dogs

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Speaker 1: scientists in ballistics, in fiber analysis, hair analysis, DNA, blood,

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Speaker 1: you name it. They weren't like dogs. They already were

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Speaker 1: over time. What more do we want them to do? So?

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Speaker 1: Where is the fail? And I guarantee you the TB

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Speaker 1: I Tennessee be your investigation crime lab is the same.

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Speaker 1: So how is it he's walking the street to murder Eliza.

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Speaker 9: Because the system has failed to implement all the necessary tools.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 9: Let me tell you, Nancy, It's just like if I

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Speaker 9: gave you a bicycle and I told you go ahead

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Speaker 9: and deliver mail all over the United States. Well, how

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Speaker 9: could you possibly deliver mail all over the United States

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Speaker 9: of that bicycle. It would never happen. It's not possible.

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Speaker 9: But if there were cars and planes and roads and

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Speaker 9: everything else there, and the infrastructure put all together, then

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Speaker 9: you could deliver that mail all over the United States. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 9: we are at the bicycle state of friends of science

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Speaker 9: when it comes to solving these backlogs with texicalcal murders.

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Speaker 9: We are na testing is that it's instancy still and

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Speaker 9: there are so many ways. I mean, our technology, we

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Speaker 9: don't need a code of database to identify someone. You

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Speaker 9: don't have to have raped someone else in order for

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Speaker 9: us to identify you. That's the biggest key. You can

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Speaker 9: rate one person and get identified the very very first time.

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Speaker 9: Yet our technology isn't widely used everywhere because people scream

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Speaker 9: all sorts of stuff. Oh well, it's new, we don't

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Speaker 9: know if it works, Oh my god, privacy, oh this,

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Speaker 9: oh well, the government's slow and funding it. I want

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Speaker 9: to perpetrateor and jail the first time they commit a crime.

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Speaker 9: I don't want to have to wait till the second

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Speaker 9: victim and the third victim, or the eleventh or twelfth victim.

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Speaker 9: And trust me, we've identified those as well. They're in

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Speaker 9: coded so many many times then no one's ever identified them.

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Speaker 9: They come to us finally, and now they're identified and

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Speaker 9: all these crimes are solved. That's devastating.

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Speaker 1: You're hearing the voice of doctor Kristen Middleman, chief development

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Speaker 1: officer at all Ram Lab. You can find her at

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Speaker 1: dnasolves dot com, explain how we don't even need another

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Speaker 1: rate or murder to identify Kleioth Austin from his last

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Speaker 1: rate last September, but it was never done. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to Marcus Hunter WRG.

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Speaker 15: The TBI accepts rush DNA cases when requested by a

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Speaker 15: local investigative agency, as we did in the recent Eliza

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Speaker 15: Fletcher case. It went on to say, our scientists identified

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Speaker 15: Cleyota Abstin as a suspect less than eighteen hours after

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Speaker 15: receiving a key evidence. The agency said the soundful they

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Speaker 15: received in September of last year was not submitted as

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Speaker 15: a rush case. Therefore, it was placed with the standard

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Speaker 15: case work, which can have an average turnaround of thirty

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Speaker 15: three to forty nine weeks.

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Speaker 1: So, Lisa Daddy, what does it take to be a

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Speaker 1: rush case? I mean, Cleota Abstin in court the new

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Speaker 1: charges of a violent rape and as they say, especially

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Speaker 1: dangerous kidnap. Why was that not a rush case back

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Speaker 1: in September twenty twenty one?

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Speaker 11: It should have been when you have a stranger rape

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Speaker 11: and given the circumstances of what we know, that should

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Speaker 11: have been a rush because we know they're going to

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Speaker 11: hit again. It's not just one and done. So I

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Speaker 11: don't understand how that case was not rushed to try

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Speaker 11: to identify the who.

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Speaker 1: A violent rate of brutal kidnapping is not a rush,

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Speaker 1: then what is it took this before we knew the truth?

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Speaker 1: It took this before that rape kit was tested. Listen

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Speaker 1: to our friends at Fox thirteen.

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Speaker 17: And after David reveals mood details about Fletcher's final moments.

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Speaker 17: Investigators say data from the FBI Cast team, which is

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Speaker 17: used to track cell phones, led them to East Person

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Speaker 17: Avenue and Victor Street. While searching that area Monday, just

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Speaker 17: after five, they say officers noticed high grass at a

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Speaker 17: vacant home, as well as vehicle tracks in the high grass.

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Speaker 17: Officers also smelled and older of decay. We're told the

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Speaker 17: officers fanned out and walked to the back of the property.

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Speaker 17: Immediately to the right of the steps, they say they

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Speaker 17: found a woman's body. To give you an idea why

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Speaker 17: it was so hard for officials to find her is

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Speaker 17: because even though they're in the middle of a neighborhood,

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Speaker 17: you can see there's very tall grass shielding the view

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Speaker 17: from the street.

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Speaker 9: I'm five to five.

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Speaker 18: Take a look at this grass, It's towering over me.

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Speaker 18: Then there's this abandoned home, and we're told Fletcher's remains

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Speaker 18: were found behind this house.

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Speaker 1: Walk with me so.

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Speaker 18: You can see beside these steps here, and you can

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Speaker 18: even see an imprint in the dirt right here.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's gonna rot in hell, with a little pitstop

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Speaker 1: in the penitentiary. I just pray right now for those

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Speaker 1: two little children who miss their mommy Eliza. We wait

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Speaker 1: as justice unfals. Good Bye, Fat