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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where the big uglies are beautiful

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Speaker 1: to us. I'm Greg Rosenthal here with Nick Shook, continuing

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Speaker 1: our look ahead to the NFL Draft. It's been a

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Speaker 1: big week. We did the quarterbacks little mock draft, and

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Speaker 1: now we're going to take a look at Nick Shook's

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Speaker 1: favorite type of players, the offensive lineman, just like he

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Speaker 1: was back in the day.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, back in the day when I was a

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Speaker 2: little bit wider around. And yeah, I mean, I don't

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Speaker 2: know how you're still doing all this draft content where

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Speaker 2: you have forties and free agents and now you're over

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Speaker 2: here talking.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're just pumping it out.

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Speaker 1: No, this is a week where it felt like we've

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Speaker 1: been talking about Okay, we're gonna like slowly keep getting

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Speaker 1: more and more draft content, and then you know, with

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Speaker 1: two weeks left until the draft, where we're at now, Okay,

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Speaker 1: now we're just going daily draft content. And look, the

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Speaker 1: offensive line not the sexiest position on draft. Teams, like

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Speaker 1: fans are always a little disappointed. Oh we drafted a guard,

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Speaker 1: Oh we drafted a tackle. And then at the end

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Speaker 1: of the season everyone's like, how come our offensive line

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Speaker 1: isn't great? Like, how come the Eagles are winning the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl year after year, so we got to do it,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna make it fun by giving you a

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Speaker 1: bunch of different categories, taking like kind of the big

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Speaker 1: picture view of it. This is believed to be quite

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Speaker 1: a deep class, especially at interior offensive linemen, and the

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Speaker 1: tackle class is solid. But like a lot of this

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Speaker 1: draft class, it's kind of pick you know, it's dealer's

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Speaker 1: choice where the very top of the class maybe isn't

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Speaker 1: as good as other years, but it's very deep and solid,

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Speaker 1: you know, picks ten through seventy. So I'm going to

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Speaker 1: just give you some categories. We'll try to hit all

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Speaker 1: the relevant first couple of round guys as we go,

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Speaker 1: and if we don't, I'll circle back and mention a couple.

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Speaker 1: But you're the offensive line guy, I want you to

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Speaker 1: start off with the category what we're gonna call like

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Speaker 1: the ultimate Shook player. Who is the player from this

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Speaker 1: class on the O line that's like the ultimate ship guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're years removed from me doing behind the offensive

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Speaker 2: line on NFL dot Com, but make no mistake, I

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Speaker 2: still am very fond of all these guys, and one

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Speaker 2: of the guys that I'm fondest of is Oregon tackle

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Speaker 2: Josh Connerly, who I loved his workout. I loved a

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Speaker 2: lot of his tape at Oregon and what I see

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Speaker 2: because the first thing I love in offensive lineman when

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Speaker 2: I watched them India, when I watch them on tape,

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Speaker 2: can they move? Can they get out in space? Can

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Speaker 2: they you know, win the battle of angles in the

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Speaker 2: to gain the leverage necessary to wall off a guy

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Speaker 2: or block them. Not necessarily the road graders necessary, or

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Speaker 2: the guys that are, you know, just so physically powerful

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Speaker 2: the right space, because in football it's all about winning

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Speaker 2: at the point of attack and getting there first and

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Speaker 2: creating those lanes for running backs. And I think that

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Speaker 2: Connorly is this guy. He is this guy who's got

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Speaker 2: a developmental side to him where he has the footwork,

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Speaker 2: and become a complete tackle. There's a reason why you

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Speaker 2: talk about Joe Thomas talked about this all the time

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Speaker 2: basketball players at tackle. You want the athletes out there.

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Speaker 2: Lane Johnson is a great example of that. Do you

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Speaker 2: have the frame and the athleticism, you put the weight on,

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Speaker 2: they still have that body control. They become perennial All

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Speaker 1: I love that you're planting your flag on Josh Connerly.

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Speaker 1: So he is thirty sixth in the consensus board, which

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Speaker 1: over the place. He's thirty eighth on Daniel Jeremiah's board.

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Speaker 1: Mike Tice, who is an offensive line coach forever in

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Speaker 1: And it was just hilarious to see if father son

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Speaker 1: and he had Connorly as ol one by the way

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Speaker 1: Abdul Carter, and I like that you're seeing it a

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Speaker 1: be the expert today because I'm gonna read a lot

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Speaker 1: pretend that I'm like grinding left tackle tape. We're trying

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Speaker 1: sneaky way of me asking, like who would be the

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Speaker 1: best guy in this class at any position? Not who

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Speaker 2: This is where teams swing and miss a lot, is

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Speaker 2: this has been the debate with him. The length issue.

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Speaker 3: That's why he's my pick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and also this is a class where there's not

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Speaker 1: a lot of like projected All pros, and he's eighth

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Speaker 1: So I'm listening to what Jeremiah has said on our

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Speaker 1: Maybe throw away the positional value thing, because like, just

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Speaker 1: don't worry if it's guard or tackle. And guards are

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Speaker 2: Money, and I think about what does he win with that?

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Speaker 2: Will Campbell specifically, he wins with his feet because he

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Speaker 2: by stunts in the entire second half by Vig Fangio's defense. Right,

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Speaker 2: I want the best offensive lineman in the best spot,

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Speaker 2: and I think that's his best fit.

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Speaker 1: Think about how the Eagles won all those games. I

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Speaker 1: go to a different care Let's talk interior alignment. So

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Speaker 1: Were you a tackle or guard? You're probably a tackle.

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Speaker 2: I was a guard in high school because I played

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Speaker 2: next to a six seven like d one recruit, and

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Speaker 2: then college smaller school was a tackle.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, you seem like more of like a dancing

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Speaker 1: bear athletic type of guy. But you know, break breaking

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Speaker 1: I think for the average fan, they're not just grinding

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Speaker 2: go with Joshua Gray from Oregon State. This is a

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Speaker 2: guy who is so much not on people's radars that, like,

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Speaker 2: if you go quickly YouTube search for a second, like

434
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Speaker 2: just to find some quick cutups or whatever, his name

435
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Speaker 2: doesn't pop up. There's nothing out there. But I'm telling

436
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Speaker 2: you right now that when you dive deeper into it,

437
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Speaker 2: he just he shows it.

438
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Speaker 3: He shows it on the tape.

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Speaker 2: He had his school record fifty six career starts at

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Speaker 2: Oregon State. And the reason I like him is because

441
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Speaker 2: he's got the athleticism and power, and yet he's malleable.

442
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Speaker 2: Like you have the baseline athleticism to be able to

443
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Speaker 2: get out in space and move, you have demonstrated power

444
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Speaker 2: like Lance's right above him.

445
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Speaker 3: Was tough, strong, reliable.

446
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Speaker 2: Those are all qualities that I want in an offensive lineman,

447
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Speaker 2: especially in a guard.

448
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Speaker 3: And he's versatile.

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Speaker 2: He mostly played tackle in college, but he has the

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Speaker 2: athleticism with rivid gardb where he also ended up playing

451
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Speaker 2: at Oregon State. So if strength is considered one of

452
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Speaker 2: his ranks and he can move, I love the projection

453
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Speaker 2: for you, the upside for you given that you land

454
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Speaker 2: with the right team that doesn't ask you to do

455
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Speaker 2: too much.

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Speaker 3: So won't be a first round pick, but is going

457
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Speaker 3: to be.

458
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Speaker 2: A guy that I'm gonna pay a lot of attention

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Speaker 2: to you because I think his upside is very much

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Speaker 2: being slept on right now.

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Speaker 1: Consensus board one fifty three, YEP for Joshua Gray. All right, Shook,

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Speaker 1: he's playing his flag. We're gonna We're gonna be tracking

463
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Speaker 1: now Joshua Gray's career extremely closely, and Shook's name is

464
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Speaker 1: now going to be attached to it, and I bet

465
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Speaker 1: he's out. He's gonna outdo his draft profile in terms

466
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Speaker 1: of one fifty three. Maybe NFL teams will agree with

467
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Speaker 1: you though, and he'll he'll go hire a couple just

468
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Speaker 1: interesting names I did want to throw out before we

469
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Speaker 1: take a break and then talk some over unders. Josh

470
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Speaker 1: Simmons is an interesting prospect from Ohio State. Twenty fifth

471
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Speaker 1: on the consensus board, thirty fifth on Jeremiah's board. He

472
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Speaker 1: tore his ptel attendant. He was the left tackle at

473
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Speaker 1: Ohio State before that. In Donovan Jackson, I believe actually

474
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Speaker 1: moved out to left tackle and was okay there. But

475
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Speaker 1: he's going to be a guard. I might as well

476
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Speaker 1: mention them together here, since you're an Ohio State guy.

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Speaker 1: He's around thirty eight to thirty nine on the Contenus board.

478
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Speaker 1: Wouldn't be surprised if a team like the Patriots one

479
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Speaker 1: of those teams at the top of the second round

480
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Speaker 1: that needs offensive lineman. He just looks like a good

481
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Speaker 1: run blocker, he as versatility. He's going to be a guard.

482
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Speaker 1: Donovan Jackson solid, whereas Simmons might have been a top

483
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Speaker 1: ten pick in this draft if it wasn't for the injury.

484
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Speaker 1: There's also some motivation slash, you know, character concerns being

485
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Speaker 1: whispered about him, which which you never want to hear.

486
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Speaker 1: But that's it's probably attached to him as much as

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Speaker 1: just about anyone in this class. And so I'm just curious,

488
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Speaker 1: you're an Ohio State guy. Someone's going to take a

489
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Speaker 1: chance on him at some point, probably in the first round,

490
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Speaker 1: maybe even earlier than people think because of the position.

491
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Speaker 1: But he's got the injury, how do you like equate

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Speaker 1: all that? Where would he be? You think, by the way,

493
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Speaker 1: if he wasn't hurt.

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Speaker 2: He would be where he was prior. And I think that,

495
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Speaker 2: which is why it's top fifteen. You had him in

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Speaker 2: the top fifteen right on the big boards.

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Speaker 1: Right.

498
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Speaker 2: So analyzing this the entire story of the twenty twenty

499
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Speaker 2: four Ohio State team, a lot of people overlook the

500
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Speaker 2: changes that they had at offensive line. They had injuries

501
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Speaker 2: from like the midpoint of the season onward.

502
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Speaker 3: It was on the interior.

503
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Speaker 2: It was a tackle and they just had to shuffle

504
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Speaker 2: guys around and keep shuffling around. That's why Donovan Jackson

505
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Speaker 2: actually he improved. His first game in tackle was not good,

506
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Speaker 2: but by the end of their run, he was playing

507
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Speaker 2: pretty well because they were just rolling with the punches.

508
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Speaker 3: And I think that so when.

509
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Speaker 2: You when you analyze a guy like Simmons, you have

510
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Speaker 2: a smaller sample size from the most recent tape and

511
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Speaker 2: it kind of complicates the picture for you. And you

512
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Speaker 2: also have to question how does he come back from

513
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Speaker 2: that injury, because that's no small injury. I think about

514
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Speaker 2: Senator Charles bentleyh tore both of his teller attendants in

515
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Speaker 2: the first day of training camp with the Browns that

516
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Speaker 2: essentially ended his career. So offensive line, the knees are important.

517
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Speaker 2: That's why they were knee braces. See, there's a little

518
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Speaker 2: bit of concern there, but overall, I think a lot

519
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Speaker 2: of the tape doesn't lie. You just have to wonder

520
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:49,959
Speaker 2: whether he's going to come back at that same strength,

521
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Speaker 2: and hopefully, if you're a team taking him, you're not

522
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Speaker 2: taking him with immediate expectation. You give him a longer

523
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Speaker 2: runway to kind of acclimate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's he's kind of the ultimate who or

525
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Speaker 1: bust two just because of the injury and maybe because

526
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Speaker 1: of the off field stuff, but definitely talented there. I

527
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Speaker 1: think we hit really the tackles that are probably going

528
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Speaker 1: in the top fifty. Another couple of interior guys, grays Abels.

529
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Speaker 1: If people want to go back and listen to the

530
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Speaker 1: Scout scouting combine one, we did you really liked him there.

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Speaker 1: He's twenty fourth on DJ's big board. Very athletic. Can

532
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Speaker 1: kind of follow the model of a few good recent

533
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Speaker 1: centers where he played tackle in college, but I think

534
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Speaker 1: the league kind of sees him as its center. I

535
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Speaker 1: love a guy that's that that versatile. So he's another

536
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Speaker 1: interesting one that might go off in the first round.

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Speaker 1: And he's from North Dakota State. You got to love it.

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Speaker 2: The program is important because oftentimes you take your best

539
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Speaker 2: lineman and put him at left tackle when you're playing,

540
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Speaker 2: especial at the FCS level. But yeah, I think he

541
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Speaker 2: projects to be a solid center.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and some good recent rookie centers. Why am I

543
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Speaker 1: blanking Zach Frasier obviously, and then Graham Barton, who a

544
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Speaker 1: similar profile guy who played all over the place in college,

545
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Speaker 1: but then they moved him to center with the Bucks.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's our offensive line preview. We're gonna be

547
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Speaker 1: going through the positions as we get closer and closer

548
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Speaker 1: to the draft. I always thank Shook for his expertise there,

549
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Speaker 1: but I'm not letting him off the hook. He is

550
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Speaker 1: going to be back after the break. We're just gonna

551
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Speaker 1: look at over unders for the first time. I guess

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Speaker 1: I have a sickness, and I can't really quench that

553
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Speaker 1: sickness because I work for the NFL. So what I'm

554
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Speaker 1: gonna do is just talk about these over unders. I

555
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Speaker 1: find him interesting. Right after this, back on NFL Daily

556
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Speaker 1: and yeah, when I said before the break, I had

557
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Speaker 1: a sickness. What I mean is I find this stuff

558
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Speaker 1: interesting even though we're not allowed to act on it.

559
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Speaker 1: I'm thankful for that. It saved me a lot of

560
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Speaker 1: stress over the years. But when you see the over

561
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Speaker 1: unders for the year, it's one of my favorite shows

562
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Speaker 1: we do before every season is we do a draft

563
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Speaker 1: of what are our favorite over unders and that might

564
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Speaker 1: be one of my favorite shows of the year because

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Speaker 1: I'm undefeated three years running, and to keep bringing that up,

566
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Speaker 1: it's the it's maybe the greatest current streak in sports

567
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Speaker 1: where I haven't had one wrong in three years. And

568
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Speaker 1: last year it was outrageous because I made a long

569
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Speaker 1: list and the long list over unders were a maze.

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Speaker 1: We're only picking three or four. I think it's a

571
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Speaker 1: total of eleven and zero shook, but it's four for

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Speaker 1: I'm eleven. For eleven, I'm eleven.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying every what is that ninety six?

574
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Speaker 2: Over and over and that's like, that's like for.

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Speaker 1: Eleven's pretty good. Eleven for eleven is pretty good. So

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Speaker 1: I will say this.

577
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Speaker 2: I gotta say this though, on my other podcast, Gridiron Podcast,

578
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Speaker 2: which you can find on YouTube dot com slash at

579
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Speaker 2: Gridiron Pod. We do a division by division season preview

580
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Speaker 2: during training camp, and we always do over unders as well.

581
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Speaker 2: And now you're gonna make me go back and tally

582
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Speaker 2: whether me and my co hosts were correct how close

583
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Speaker 2: we were on those.

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Speaker 1: We might have to do that this year because I

585
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Speaker 1: like having to take on almost all of them and

586
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Speaker 1: last year was particularly good. Okay, so they came out.

587
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Speaker 1: I first heard this on Bill Simmons' podcast. I had

588
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Speaker 1: no idea that that over unders would come out so

589
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Speaker 1: early before the draft. It seems crazy. And the reason

590
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Speaker 1: I and it interesting for myself is not the gambling

591
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Speaker 1: aspect of it, more just what is consensus going to

592
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Speaker 1: be heading into this season? We're starting to now I

593
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Speaker 1: hadn't really thought about it yet, like what are the

594
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Speaker 1: season previews going to be?

595
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Speaker 2: Like?

596
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Speaker 1: What does Vegas think fans will see as like the

597
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Speaker 1: the most common wisdom and view of these teams? And

598
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Speaker 1: so we're gonna do this a few different ways. You

599
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Speaker 1: have categories. I have one category, and my category is

600
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Speaker 1: it's going to be things that make me go hum.

601
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Speaker 1: And the first thing that made me go hum was

602
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Speaker 1: looking at the AFC East and if you look at

603
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Speaker 1: the AFC East, the Jets have a projected wind total

604
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Speaker 1: for a five and a half and the Patriots have

605
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Speaker 1: a projected win total now of eight and a half.

606
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Speaker 1: I think that's been bet up. I actually think it

607
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Speaker 1: was at seven and a half because I listened to

608
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Speaker 1: Simmons a few weeks ago and it was that set

609
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Speaker 1: it's up to eight and a half, and that to

610
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Speaker 1: me is insane. Why are the Pageots three wins better

611
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Speaker 1: than the Jets? So on, going in both directions, I

612
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: think that's a little bit crazy that the Patriots would

613
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Speaker 1: be up at eight and a half, same as the Dolphins,

614
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Speaker 1: and that the Jets, Like I don't think the Jets

615
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: roster is that bad. I don't think they got worse

616
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Speaker 1: at quarterback. And I know they only won five games

617
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: last year and so that's why it's there. But man,

618
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Speaker 1: them being three games apart just struck me, as huh,

619
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Speaker 1: that doesn't really make any sense?

620
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and rightfully, so I started taking notes. In the

621
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Speaker 2: first all caps note I took was Patriots eight point

622
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Speaker 2: eight and a half with just question mark, exclamation mark,

623
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Speaker 2: just a line of them, because it seems insane. And

624
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Speaker 2: then at that point I realized I needed three categories.

625
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Speaker 2: I needed gettable, gonna be tough, and on what planet?

626
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Speaker 3: And this lands?

627
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Speaker 2: And on what planet are the Patriots listed at eight

628
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 2: and a half games for the over under?

629
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Speaker 3: And it all comes back to what you've been hawking

630
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Speaker 3: about for.

631
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Speaker 2: Months, Greg, which is quarterback Drake May and the fact

632
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Speaker 2: that they had an offseason to inject some talent on

633
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Speaker 2: both sides of the ball, support him better on the

634
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Speaker 2: offensive line, put some you know pieces around him. He's

635
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Speaker 2: got Stafon Diggs there now coming back from the ACL

636
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 2: and people are setting their expectations high because Mike Rable's

637
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: got that magic touch. He did it in Tennessee and

638
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: they think he's gonna do it in New England. But

639
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 2: do I buy in instantly?

640
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: No?

641
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 3: I need that proven to me.

642
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 2: So again, on what planet are they gonna win over

643
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Speaker 2: eight and a half games?

644
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Speaker 1: Okay? Schedule is a huge part of it, and we're

645
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Speaker 1: gonna get deeper into this when we get closer to

646
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Speaker 1: the season, So I don't want to go too crazy today.

647
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Speaker 1: These are just first impressions. Schedule is a huge part

648
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Speaker 1: of it, and they do have the NFC South on

649
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Speaker 1: the schedule, and so that's going to help out the

650
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Speaker 1: whole AFCs. The ACAST also has each other. Like the

651
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: Dolphins and the Jets aren't amazing opponents. It's not the

652
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: worst division of play agains and then they play the

653
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: AFC North, which is not as easy. But that just

654
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: seems weird to me. The Patriots have won eight games

655
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: combined over the last two years. That's just just a

656
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: big bump. But uh, you know, what are you thinking?

657
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: I think Jets over five and a half? That would

658
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: be like, what are you thinking? For me? I think

659
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: that get better than that. Along those lines, I'm going

660
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: to go I'm going to try to guess like who

661
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: was in your categories and maybe you were thinking it

662
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: of just like can you get to that win total?

663
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: Because this is this is more a win total. That

664
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: seems very low to me. The Vikings eight and a

665
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: half seems crazy to me. That's so low. Are they

666
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: really think that the public is going to be that

667
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: low on the Minnesota Vikings. They got the same over

668
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: under win total as the Bears, and I don't hate

669
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: the Bears, but the Bears are at eight and a half,

670
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: They're suddenly the same as the Vikings. I don't care.

671
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,239
Speaker 2: I'd like to introduce you to remember number two of

672
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: on what Planet the Vikings at eight and a half.

673
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: This is a big projection on the quarterback play not

674
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: being there. And look, I understand there was some fraudulents

675
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: with this Vikings team a few years ago when they

676
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 2: ended up losing to Daniel Jones in the playoffs, and

677
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: then you know they tail spin at the end of

678
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 2: last year, but that was a product of playing a

679
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: good defense and a defensive Sam Darnold couldn't you know,

680
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: you know, sort out. And yeah, it is a big

681
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 2: swing to just think that a team's gonna win nine

682
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 2: or ten games with a second year quarterback who's essentially

683
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: a rookie and JJ McCarthy. But at the same time,

684
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: this team got better in the offseason. They won a

685
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: ton of games last year before they got these additions.

686
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 2: On what planet do they not win nine games this year?

687
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I just have a hard time believing.

688
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: That these two teams were nine games apart. Last year.

689
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: The Vikings won fourteen, the Bears won five. Now, the

690
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: schedule for the NFC North is very difficult for everyone

691
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: because they're playing against each other, and the out of

692
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: division schedule is difficult so that's that's going to depress

693
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: all the numbers. But man, I'm not ready. I don't

694
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: want to be making predictions that this is not what

695
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: this show is about. It's just numbers that really stuck

696
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: out to me, because ultimately, I don't think the quarterback

697
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: play for the Vikings is going to be that high

698
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: of a bar overall to reach the in the ecosystem

699
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: that they have and the rest of the team is

700
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: really really good. All right, give me on what planet?

701
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: Give me another one of your on what planets?

702
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: Last of three on what Planet members is the Niners

703
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 2: at ten and a half. And yes, look, I understand

704
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: they were beaten up by injuries severely last year. They've

705
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 2: also had an off season in which you don't feel

706
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 2: better about the state of the roster than you did

707
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 2: a year prior. It's a bit of a transition time

708
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 2: for them. They also have the brock Party contract thing

709
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: going on, you know, swirling around them, and for a

710
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: bit there we had the Brandon Ayuk thing. So like,

711
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: there's some uncertainty with this club right now just overall

712
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,239
Speaker 2: to project them at such a high line, I mean

713
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: ten and a half's pretty high. It's one of the

714
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 2: higher ones that you're going to see from any team

715
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: in the NFL. I understand that they have continuity, and

716
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: they've done it before, and they tend to be like

717
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: a rollercoaster from year to year, especially when injuries get involved.

718
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: But that's just a really high bar to set for

719
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: a team that fell short of expectations, obviously with the

720
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 2: injuries being a big part, and then coming back from

721
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 2: an off season in which you know they had some

722
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: pieces leave.

723
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the ten and a half is a

724
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: little crazy, but it's even more crazy that the Rams

725
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: don't have it. So for some context, the NFC West

726
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:06,239
Speaker 1: plays both South divisions. They drew the best draw of

727
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: any division in the NFL this year, so they get

728
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: the NFC South and the AFC South. I think that's

729
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: the ideal out of division schedule, so that helps push

730
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: up all these teams, And in fact, the entire NFC

731
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: West is eight and a half or over. The Cardinals

732
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,479
Speaker 1: and the Seahawks are both at eight and a half

733
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: and the Rams are at nine and a half. If

734
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: you had just knocked the forty nine ers down one

735
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: or flipped them in the Rams, then then I get it.

736
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: There's kind of a begging here of Vegas almost to

737
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: pick against the forty nine ers, when I'm sure the

738
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: systems like that. Cynthia has look at the talent on

739
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: the team, look at the previous success, and project that

740
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: out forward that actually they're not going to collapse as

741
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: much as teams think, and I can understand that. It

742
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: just is really weird to me that they would be

743
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,479
Speaker 1: behind the Rams. And yeah, not every team is going

744
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: to be over five hundred in the division, So either

745
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: the Seahawks or the car are going to be coming

746
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: up short, or maybe the Rams and or the forty

747
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: nine ers as well. Okay, so those were your crazy ones.

748
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: Those were the ones to me that also stood out

749
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: the most. Basically the Jets, the Vikings, and then the

750
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: Rams forty nine ers split just other ones I just

751
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: found interesting. The Bucks are at nine and a half.

752
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: I like the Bucks. They have the AFC East and

753
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: the NFC West out of division, which is not the

754
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: toughest slate I don't think, and they have, you know,

755
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: of course, six games in the division. They're favored to

756
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: win the division by two games. The Falcons are next

757
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: at seven and a half, Carolina six and a half,

758
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,239
Speaker 1: Saints at six and a half. That's when I can

759
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: give a preview. I'm definitely gonna be over on the Bucks.

760
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: Now.

761
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: Is that going to be one of my top three

762
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: or four in the NFL? I don't really know, but

763
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: with that schedule and that division, to me, that's just

764
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: one that I look at right away.

765
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 2: I actually felt like that was probably a game too high.

766
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: And the reason is not that I don't have confidence

767
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: in this team, because I do. We've seen that they

768
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 2: became an offensive team last year. Baker Mayfield played his

769
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: best football his career in the last two years with them.

770
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: They have two talented receivers, and Mike Evans and Chris

771
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 2: Godwin and Jayleen McMillan really stepped up in Godwin's absence

772
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 2: last year, and Bucky Irving had a great rookie year.

773
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: But if you look at them over the last three years,

774
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 2: they've won ten games, nine games and eight games, right, Yeah,

775
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: that's my division each of those three years. But none

776
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 2: of them were easy and oftentimes they were the best

777
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: team in that division, and yet it was still difficult.

778
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 2: So setting it that high, I'd feel more comfortable in

779
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 2: terms of like realistic expectation at eight and a half

780
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: than nine and a half, which is why I just

781
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: kind of raised an eyebrow at that one.

782
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that one is That's why I wasn't in my

783
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: top section. The top section are ones where the number

784
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: itself seems crazy to me. This number doesn't seem crazy,

785
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: but I'm high on the Bucks as a team that

786
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: I believes is now at a certain point in their

787
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: cycle of team building, that they're ready to go, and

788
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: that they're going to be a really good team this year.

789
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: Other ones that stuck out to me the Steelers eight

790
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: and a half, which is like the classic we don't

791
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: know what to do with this team number, which is

792
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: eight and a half. The Chargers still, you know, get

793
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: in a lot of love, along with the Broncos at

794
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: nine and a half, both of those teams, and then

795
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: overall no teams are above eleven and a half, which

796
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: is interesting. Usually there's two three four teams at twelve

797
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: and a half, So that's a little crazy, and it's

798
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: partly because a the good teams all play each other

799
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: because of the first place schedules, and that even can

800
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: affect that extra game, that seventeenth game, and then b

801
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 1: like the divisional schedules this year, I think the better

802
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: teams are all with tough in division games and out

803
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: of division games, they're just happen to be playing each other.

804
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: But of all those teams that aren't going above eleven

805
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: and a half, to me, the Chiefs not getting more

806
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: than eleven and a half is the is the craziest

807
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: because they're the team of them that out of division

808
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: they have the AFC South in the NFC East that's

809
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: not too tough, and then in the division you know

810
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: it's a good division, but you still have the Raiders there.

811
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 1: It's not like the best division in the world. Out

812
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: of division, it's it's a pretty nice schedule. So the

813
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 1: Chiefs always always disrespected at eleven and a half. I

814
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 1: if you you bet the over for them every year,

815
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: you'd be a rich man.

816
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a franchisees fan base doesn't need any

817
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: more reason to think that they they're being disrespected. Let's

818
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 2: put that out there first and foremost. But I also

819
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: understand why it's eleven and a half. I would understand

820
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 2: if it was twelve and a half given their history

821
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 2: of success, great success like historic would have been if

822
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: they'd won the Super Bowl, and it still is historic.

823
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: I think this speaks to the fact that we are

824
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: before the draft and that there are still some concerns.

825
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 2: You know, at least what they've done on offensive line,

826
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: and it makes sense to me that they would drop

827
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 2: down a game from where you might feel more pleased

828
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 2: with it. But yeah, sure, a little bit of disrespect.

829
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 2: We still have the whole draft to go through.

830
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: I get it. Just here are the win totals since

831
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, twelve, twelve, fourteen, twelve, fourteen, eleven and fifteen,

832
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: and even the eleven got there over that year. I

833
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 1: remember it was ten and a half because.

834
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 3: I it's sportant, though twelve is sportant, right.

835
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: But again, Chiefs, they're not You're not being disrespected because

836
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: you literally are tied for the best record in the

837
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: NFL according to everybody speakers right now. Bill's are only

838
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: out eleven and a half. The Eagles were only at

839
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: eleven and a half, the Lions were only at ten

840
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: and a half. That's an interesting one to me. I

841
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: think I would I would lean towards the over with

842
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: the Lions, but it is a very difficult schedule. It's early.

843
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: I just just some first thoughts. I got more in

844
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: this space to come you got one more.

845
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: One more in the gonna be tough category. Bears eight

846
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: and a half, just because it's projection Ben Johnson high

847
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: hopes for him, high hopes for what the Bears can be.

848
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: They got their quarterback, everything's cool. It's a lot of

849
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 2: projection to expect them to win nine or more games

850
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: off the bat without.

851
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 3: Again, I'm a cynic. I'm a skeptic. Tough schedule too, Yeah,

852
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 3: prove it to me in a tough division. But eight

853
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 3: and a half, I thought that was a little high.

854
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I've gone under on the Bears

855
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: three straight years as one of my top three to

856
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: four picks, and every time it's it's been right there.

857
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: I don't think I will just because I want. I

858
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: do want to believe in a world where Kleb and

859
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson just make beautiful music together and I see

860
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: the vision. I get it. I do think they'll be better.

861
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: The schedule is going to be very tough, though, so

862
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: I do think it's going to be. It's gonna be

863
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: a challenge in that division, never a challenge when we

864
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: have you should appreciate you man offensive line, like some

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Speaker 1: people would look at that as like I'm giving you,

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Speaker 1: you know, the the dregs of the draft prospects, but

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Speaker 1: that you look at it like this is this is

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Speaker 1: the beautiful time you ever see.

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Speaker 2: Me on that last daily combine. Folks, It's been a

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Speaker 2: grind of a week and I couldn't be happier and

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Speaker 2: more e stacked and walked than to walk into Lucas

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Speaker 2: Oil Stadium on that day specifically and sit there for

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Speaker 2: seven hours watching big guys in tights run around.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to that. I already am now. I'm

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Speaker 1: looking forward to the annual show that we will do

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Speaker 1: with Nick Chuk after the combine. It was fun this

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Speaker 1: year hearing your all combined team. That's it for today.

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Speaker 1: Hit the music there, Eric. We will be back in

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Speaker 1: this feed on Thursday. You know you love him, Dan,

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Speaker 1: Jeremiah forties and free agents will be talking more big

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Speaker 1: picture draft. I'm excited about this one. And yeah, like

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Speaker 1: when we're going deep on Tyler Booker and Gray Zabel

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Speaker 1: and Josh Connery, you know football is back.