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Speaker 2: Welcome back to All the Smoke. We got a very

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Speaker 2: special episode Jack. Last time we were in DC, we

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris. Now we're back in DC, yep, and we

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Speaker 2: got some very special guests. We got a chance to

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Speaker 2: sit down with Craig Robinson on Unplugged. Man was that

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Speaker 2: about a year ago? And he brought his little sister

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Speaker 2: today I did he Welcome to the show. Ms. Michelle

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Speaker 2: Obama and Craig Robinson, thanks for having me. Another legendary episode,

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Speaker 2: so we get a crossover for our fans. We got

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Speaker 2: a chance to sit down on their show yesterday and

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Speaker 2: had an amazing outside of norm our normal scope type

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Speaker 2: of conversation. So you guys, make sure you guys check

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Speaker 2: that out. We'll let you know when that's dropping. And

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Speaker 2: then to now today they paid the favorite back and

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Speaker 2: it's All the Smoke time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we on your rice.

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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, we already had a violator, but we got

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Speaker 2: to keep a PG Crystal sat so we can't talk

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Speaker 2: about that. But Jack, we got let's start with a

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Speaker 2: boxing question.

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Speaker 4: Oh boxing.

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Speaker 5: We heard back in the day that y'all had a

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Speaker 5: couple of squabbles.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, so who's the most known top.

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Speaker 4: She always got to win. She always got to win

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Speaker 7: So her backstory is everyone that my dad was a boxer. Okay,

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Speaker 7: not professionally, but he boxed in high school and boxing

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Speaker 4: Bought us boxing gloves.

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Speaker 7: Well, I should say Santa Claus got us boxing gloves

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Speaker 7: for Christmas one year.

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Speaker 2: Make that clear.

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Speaker 5: That was it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh, we just crushing dreams here.

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Speaker 5: Don't do that. I got no way.

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Speaker 6: I blame you for that, Claus, too much time to pass.

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Speaker 6: Tell your kid a white man coming down here. Uh,

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Speaker 7: So my dad taught us how to box, and we

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Speaker 7: used to practice with each other, but I was always

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Speaker 4: He didn't want me to hit her. She can hit me.

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Speaker 7: So she really won all of the boxing squabbles we had,

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Speaker 7: and then when we were fighting for real, she'd win

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Speaker 2: Sounds like she's undefeated.

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Speaker 3: Well that was the beauty of our dad. Uh, anything

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Speaker 3: He was going on at a box I learned at

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Speaker 4: But we would all box, all box with each other.

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Speaker 3: And I would still beat them, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Because they weren't told not to hit her. She was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go, so you got her ready. Both

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Speaker 2: up to where we are now the podcast space Craig,

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Speaker 2: I know you jumped in in a while. You guys

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Speaker 3: It was first of all our team suggested it. You know,

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Speaker 2: Us on and well, obviously condolences for the loss of

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Speaker 7: We lived about ninety minutes for my mom, so we

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Speaker 6: People watching because it's so much bad information out there.

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Speaker 6: Let's go Chicago outside Euclid Avenue. Yes, sir, y'all slept

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Speaker 5: We just made right.

443
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 7: But I will tell you we used to do everything.

444
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 7: I mean, we used to hit balls in there, shoot baskets.

445
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 7: We thought the place was huge.

446
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 2: Slide down the hallway in the sock.

447
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 5: Did you put the hanger on the door as a

448
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 5: basketball hoop?

449
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 7: We put the hanger on the hoop, But before we

450
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 7: put the hanger on the hoop, we used the lamp

451
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 7: and a nerf ball as the ball in the lamp

452
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,199
Speaker 7: was the basket until we forgotten left the ball in

453
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 7: there and Mom turned the light on it and burned up.

454
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 3: I think that was you. The ledge on the door,

455
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 3: sit fill on the top that was Craig's first hoop right.

456
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 3: So the goal, my dad would put a penny on

457
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 3: the ledge of the door and he had to jump

458
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 3: and get it. And if he could jump and get it,

459
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 3: he could keep it right. So those were the you know,

460
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 3: he was.

461
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 6: Growing up, growing up like that beginnings the senior sister

462
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 6: from South Side Chicago on the way to the White House,

463
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 6: what's your feelings?

464
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 4: Well when it so it was sort of a progression.

465
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 7: And so if you can imagine when she met Barack,

466
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 7: he was just a lawyer and he had just done

467
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 7: some community organizing. But he was just like a regular guy.

468
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 3: He was just a nice young man.

469
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 7: He was a nice young man. And he was at

470
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 7: our house for Thanksgiving early on in their relationship, early on,

471
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 7: and I was playing the big brother. So I was like,

472
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 7: come here, man, let me talk to you. So what

473
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 7: do you think, what do you think you're going.

474
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 4: To do with this?

475
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 7: My sister, well plans, you know, you're going to stick

476
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 7: with law. He said, well, you know, I think I

477
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 7: might go into politics. I was like oh, And I said, said,

478
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 7: you want to be like a mayor or an alderman

479
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 7: or something. He was like, no, No, I was thinking

480
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 7: maybe runs for Congress, senator maybe and then maybe even

481
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 7: run for president. And I was like, man, you don't

482
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 7: want to talk like that. If my aunt Gracie heard you,

483
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 7: she'd think you crazy.

484
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 2: I don't tell too many people that at this time,

485
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 2: Rocket this time, how old?

486
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 5: So?

487
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 4: How old was it when you all met?

488
00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 3: He had been like twenty six twenty.

489
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 7: Seven so, and I was a year younger than him,

490
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 7: but I didn't realize that. I just figured we were

491
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 7: around the same age. And I was like, you can't

492
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 7: say stuff like that around here. People will They'll think

493
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 7: you crazy.

494
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 4: And lo and behold. Jump ahead, jump ahead a few

495
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 4: years and I'm.

496
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 7: In Orlando when he gave the big speech. I'm in

497
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 7: Orlando for AU Nationals. I'm going recruiting. I'm at Northwest,

498
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 7: and I asked Bill Carmody, who's our head coach there.

499
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 4: I was like, can I have the evening off Barrock's

500
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 4: doing his speech. He was like, of course.

501
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 7: And I'm in my hotel room, shorts, T shirt, and

502
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 7: I'm sweating, nervous and just because I wanted him to

503
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 7: do well, and he knocks it out of the ballpark

504
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 7: and the next day people are saying he could be

505
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 7: he could eventually run for president of the United States.

506
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 7: It's still it's still when I think about that. It

507
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 7: just never it never really hit me until we were

508
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,719
Speaker 7: on our way to the inaugurate to the not an inauguration,

509
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 7: but the election night we won in Chicago. The whole

510
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 7: time we're like talking like we are now. Nobody could

511
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 7: believe it. Even Barack to me, couldn't believe it because

512
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 7: we're sitting in the kitchen at their house waiting for

513
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 7: the results, and we thought, oh, this is gonna be

514
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 7: a late night. It's gonna be like two in the

515
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 7: morning before we find out. We had just finished dinner,

516
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 7: so I figured it's about seven o'clock. And all of

517
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 7: a sudden, everybody's phone start buzzing. And you know, we

518
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 7: were we always kept our phones away from the table

519
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 7: when the kids were there, and we were all talking,

520
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 7: and everybody's phone starts buzzing, and Barack picks up his phone,

521
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 7: puts looks at it, and puts him back down, comes back,

522
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 7: sits at the table, and we're all talking and he says, well.

523
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 4: Looks like we won, just like that.

524
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 2: You remember that.

525
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 4: The way he said it was so cool. It was

526
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 4: like I knew I was gonna win, you.

527
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 7: Know, and it's still it didn't register until we were

528
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 7: in the motorcade going down to the to the to

529
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 7: the to the election election night.

530
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 4: But that was a long story.

531
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 7: I wanted to tell you that story to say through

532
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 7: all of that, my sister's been to the same person. Really,

533
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 7: people just got to know how smart, how accomplished, how thoughtful,

534
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 7: how generous he is.

535
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 4: And it's been great.

536
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 3: We're getting this on tape.

537
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 4: It's been it's been great to watch. It's a proud

538
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 4: moment for you know, a big brother.

539
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 3: I spent my all my life being Craig Robinson's little sister.

540
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 4: Poor thing.

541
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 3: I mean, because he was mister basketball, our mister you know,

542
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 3: all ivy, and we went to the same college. I

543
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 3: came on campus and was like, oh you Gray listen

544
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 3: the uk LI. I'm like yeah, and I was proud

545
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 3: of it.

546
00:28:55,080 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 7: And now when he become it was that night it

547
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 7: was you, Michelle Obama's brother.

548
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 4: Yes, I am.

549
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: For you. Excitement, hesitation, nervousness, Like, what's going through your

550
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 2: mind because this is a huge shift, the first in

551
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 2: the history, and it's just a crazy history. But what

552
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 2: are your inner thoughts during that time?

553
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 3: I mean it was really all over the place. And

554
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 3: you know it's not just that night. I mean it's

555
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 3: the run of the presidency is a two year process.

556
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you start and I first of all,

557
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 3: you start announcing, and that's a battle, right because your

558
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 3: husband tells you that he's going to do something that's

559
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 3: going to fundamentally change your life. And my first reaction

560
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 3: was hell, No, No, Why why would we want to

561
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 3: do that? We have We're the beavers, we're the cleavers.

562
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 3: We're doing just fine. We live in a lovely house,

563
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 3: we're near family, girls are good. Why would you want

564
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 3: to go and do something that crazy? You know, people,

565
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 3: you know, It wasn't that I didn't believe in him.

566
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 3: I didn't believe America was ready and so much of

567
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 3: I knew he was talented. I knew he was gifted.

568
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 3: I knew he would be phenomenal. I knew he had

569
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 3: that perfect combination of sharp intellect, ability to connect, the charisma,

570
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 3: all this stuff that we miss.

571
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:22,479
Speaker 4: He had it.

572
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 3: So my first reaction was no. And it took my brother,

573
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 3: it took a whole lot of people to convince me that,

574
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 3: you know, when somebody has that kind of passion for something,

575
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 3: you know, I didn't want to be the one to

576
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 3: say no, And then I didn't want fear to guide

577
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 3: my decision, because that's what it was all about. It.

578
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 3: It wasn't that I didn't believe in him. I was

579
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 3: just scared, and so I had to think long and hard, Well,

580
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 3: if I wasn't married to him, I would want somebody

581
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 3: like him to run. He's the person that we say,

582
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 3: so I can't be selfish and be like I want

583
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 3: all to myself. So there was that part of it.

584
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 3: And then, you know, just like anything, I'm competitive, so

585
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 3: we're gonna run, We're gonna win, I'm gonna help, I'm

586
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 3: gonna be good at this, So then you just throw

587
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 3: yourself in, you know. Campaigning in Iowa, giving speeches. Some

588
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 3: of it was fun, some of it was crazy. A

589
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 3: lot of it uplifting because we were in parts of

590
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 3: the country where you would think that a black couple

591
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 3: with the name Obama coming through would just be turned away.

592
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 3: But the truth of our nation that I want to

593
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 3: remind people is is that folks find it hard to

594
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 3: hate up close. And when you get to know people

595
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 3: and you're sitting in there kitchen tables, and they're talking

596
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 3: like we're talking. You know, you could see people start

597
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 3: to melt almost you know, you hear our story, how

598
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 3: we grew up, how Barack grew up, and you get

599
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 3: a chance for people to unpack and get beyond race.

600
00:31:55,280 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 3: Watching that transformation was empowering, right, I mean, it's hopeful.

601
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 3: You know. It was all the things you want to

602
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 3: believe about this country and we were seeing it, right.

603
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 3: So there was that jubilation, and then there was just

604
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 3: the when they started going after us. Now I'm pissed.

605
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 3: You know you're going after me, You're going after my husband.

606
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 3: You now take this thing that's really good and you

607
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 3: play with it. And that was true on the Democratic side,

608
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 3: hand on the republic Went side. That was true for

609
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 3: white leaders, and it was true for black leaders too.

610
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 3: A lot of people were disappointing, a lot of people,

611
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 3: you know, let you down. But then in the end

612
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 3: it was just like by the time you get two

613
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 3: years in, you want to win, you know, you want

614
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 3: to get it done, and you're ready for the work.

615
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 3: So it was a roller coaster, and at the core

616
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 3: of it was how am I going to raise these

617
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 3: little girls and make sure that they're saying through it.

618
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 3: You know. I was like, we can get through anything,

619
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 3: but what would this do to them? You know, because

620
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 3: I wanted them to come out on the other end

621
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 3: as two people I would know and recognize. And that's

622
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 3: what having our mom move with us to the White House,

623
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 3: you know, I mean I Barock and I you know,

624
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 3: we're solid parents. But I didn't want the girls to

625
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 3: come home to that big house to strangers when we

626
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 3: were working or traveling. You know, there's just something about

627
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 3: you know, that house is like they're Butler's and florist

628
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 3: and ushers and all this stuff. And I was like,

629
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 3: this is not normal. We you know, we grew up

630
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 3: sharing a bedroom. It's like, my kids cannot think that

631
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 3: this is normal. So the one way to make sure

632
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 3: that that was true was to have them come home

633
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 3: to Marian Robinson sitting there going, Okay, you know what

634
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 3: you're supposed to do. You ain't cute, get your homework done,

635
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 3: you know, plus that dose of I love you. I

636
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 3: love you more than anybody. My mom got in the

637
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 3: car every day in their motorcake and rode to school

638
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 3: to drop them off because I didn't want them riding

639
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 3: the school with a bunch of security, and I wanted

640
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 3: them to be in the car just even if nothing

641
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 3: was said, just just have your grandmother there. And she

642
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,240
Speaker 3: was that for us, and that gave me the security that, Okay,

643
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 3: we'll get through this, you know. So it was, it was,

644
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 3: it was all of it, all of the feelings.

645
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: You guys grew up on the top floor living above

646
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: Aunt Robbie with her music school. The South Side is

647
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 2: the epicenter for you know a lot of soul music,

648
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 2: Curtis Mayfield, earth Wind and fire Shylights MANI rip attend

649
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 2: to name a few. How instrumental was music in your guys'

650
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 2: upbreaking and still today.

651
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 7: Huge, huge, and it I mean it started with our grandfather.

652
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 7: So before everybody had houses with speakers in every room,

653
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,959
Speaker 7: and he had Jerry rigged his whole house. Every room

654
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 7: had a speaker. Now there were wires and they were

655
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 7: matching and they was a speaker.

656
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: It was.

657
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 4: The sound was great.

658
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 5: It was before.

659
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 4: Surround sound.

660
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 3: He had two speakers, reeled a real tape.

661
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 4: Two turntables before people knew what that was about.

662
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 7: And he was a jazz officionado, So we grew up

663
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 7: listening to jazz. So he had a jazz collection our

664
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 7: father had a jazz collection.

665
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 3: And this was our grandfather's name. We called him Southside

666
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 3: just by the way. He was a carpenter south Side.

667
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

668
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 3: He played music twenty four to seven, I mean, And

669
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 3: that's how my mother, this is my mother's father, six

670
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 3: o'clock when he woke up, speaker's blasting, lasting everybody's room bedroom,

671
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 3: you asleep, You learn how to sleep with the music.

672
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 7: We drive up to his place and you know, Park

673
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 7: Street Park, and so you drive up you can hear

674
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 7: two houses down the music on, and it's it's it's

675
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 7: good jazz music.

676
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 4: And you know, he.

677
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 7: Ended up not being able to hear before he died

678
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 7: because he played his so loud.

679
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 4: But we, you know, we grew up.

680
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 7: We learned how to play different instruments, like the fludophone first,

681
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 7: and then the piano.

682
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 4: And recorder and and different things.

683
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 7: And unfortunately sports hit my life, so my music tailed off.

684
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 7: But me, she kept taking lessons and she used to

685
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 7: play the piano for me on game days.

686
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 4: When I come home from school, we had a ritual.

687
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 7: I get my pregame, snack, do my homework, go on

688
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 7: to couch. She'd start playing the piano. I'd take a

689
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 7: nap she played until I part, she did her part.

690
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 4: I mean every game days that's live music.

691
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 2: I mean Whenmally go home and listen like the rest,

692
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: like you got live music, live music music.

693
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was.

694
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 4: A big part.

695
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 7: And then that just that just sort of extrapolated to

696
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 7: whatever was was was hot.

697
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 4: On the radio. And we were a big Motown house.

698
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 7: We had the we had the album set called the

699
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 7: sixty four Motown Hits. It was like the greatest hits

700
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 7: at that time out of Motown. So it had the

701
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 7: Jackson five on Spokey Robin.

702
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 3: I mean all that was our favorite multi set album.

703
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 7: I mean we would put that thing on and where

704
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 7: you could stack the albums and it would just play

705
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 7: one side and then you turn it over in the

706
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 7: next all four would play. It was like hours of music.

707
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 7: And so music has always been a part. And now

708
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 7: you know, uh, I go to their house and they

709
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 7: got music playing all the time. You come to our

710
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 7: house is music playing all the time.

711
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 2: So I get it. I'm the same way you guys

712
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: went in Chicago go through an unfortunate transformation, the white

713
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 2: flight and loss of manufacturing jobs, let the gangs, gun violence,

714
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: crack epidemic, how did Chicago change while you guys were

715
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 2: there to what it is today.

716
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 3: When we were little, you know, there were white people,

717
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 3: you know, I mean it was as plain as that. Yeah,

718
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 3: south Shore it was a heavy Jewish community. We lived

719
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 3: there because my aunt Robbie was a music teacher and

720
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 3: a teacher. Her husband was a pullm importer and he

721
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 3: was retired. He was older but had a good pension,

722
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 3: so they earned enough, never had kids, so they could

723
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 3: buy a home. So they were probably among the first

724
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 3: black people in South Shore to buy homes right and

725
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 3: to start integrating because they could afford it. And you

726
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 3: can see the transition in our school pictures, you know,

727
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 3: you know the end of the year picture when I

728
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 3: was in kindergarten, my kindergarten a picture. There was Faizelle,

729
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 3: There was Soapa knot consipant. There was Susan Yaker, there

730
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 3: was Rachel Dempsey. These were all kids that lived around us.

731
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 3: They were my friends. I went to their houses, we played,

732
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 3: and it seemed like after first grade it was like

733
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 3: the lights went out and the white people were gone.

734
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 3: I mean it was like somebody called and said get

735
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 3: out because of the like the next year and it

736
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 3: registered to me later on, But as a kid, you're

737
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 3: just like, oh, they don't live here anymore. You know,

738
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 3: nothing was said. It was just they all disappeared, and

739
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 3: so went a lot of other little things, like the

740
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 3: park was a little less down the street, swings didn't

741
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 3: get replaced. You know, the gas station on the corner,

742
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 3: you know, started carrying lickory. You know, the liquor store

743
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 3: became more the liquor store than not. Craig was more

744
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 3: of the street dude because of basketball. I mean I

745
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 3: stayed around the block and played, but you went up

746
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 3: and you know, got your and my dad was very

747
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 3: clear on you need to go to the courts and

748
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 3: learn how to play with everybody. So you saw more

749
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 3: of how the name I.

750
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 4: Saw the game. Yeah, I could see it from that standpoint.

751
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 5: You know.

752
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 7: Every now and then there'd be a couple of white

753
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 7: guys up at the basketball court and all of a sudden,

754
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 7: it wasn't But to Misha's point, it was just like, oh,

755
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 7: well they moved and somebody moved in, and we just

756
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 7: were friends with the people who moved in, you know.

757
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 4: But it was you could really see a change at the.

758
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 7: Park because there was this huge softball league that happened there.

759
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,439
Speaker 7: Sixteen inch, no gloves, guys are playing. It was sort

760
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 7: of like a beer league, but it was completely integrated

761
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 7: when we first lived there. So you'd have some all

762
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 7: white teams, some all black teams, some mixed teams, and

763
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 7: what they had in common. They played off and afterwards

764
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 7: they drank beer and were telling jokes along the streets

765
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 7: until the lights went out, and then all of a sudden,

766
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 7: it's they were all black teams. And to Nish's point,

767
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 7: the park didn't get cleaned up as much.

768
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 4: There were more vagrants. It was just.

769
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 3: Struggled more.

770
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 4: The school had.

771
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 3: Had more disruption in the classroom, all the things that

772
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 3: would happen, and slowly but surely, white folks were moving

773
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 3: further south into the southern suburbs, and that, you know,

774
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 3: as I would come to study, Oh that was literally

775
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 3: white flight, you know. And the point that I make

776
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 3: two people who were fleeing, it's like you all were

777
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 3: fleeing from us. You know. That's just sort of the

778
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 3: crazy thing, like the kleavers, you know, because that's all

779
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 3: we you know, we mowed our lawn, planet flowers. We

780
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 3: were a students. Most of the kids around us were

781
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 3: the same parents went to work, people had jobs, but

782
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 3: because of the color of our skin, they were afraid

783
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 3: of something. And I you know, the point is, that's

784
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 3: what we have to realize, is the people in this country,

785
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 3: what are we running from? You running from us? You know,

786
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 3: you're running from Michelle and Craig and for the people

787
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 3: who were still running. Nine times out of ten, you

788
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 3: were running from a decent family with good values, trying

789
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 3: to get ahead just like you. This country, these neighborhoods

790
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 3: don't belong to anybody, you know, we're all trying to

791
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 3: get it together, you know.

792
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 2: But yeah, you ran into a someone named DEDI in

793
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 2: the day you gained the respect.

794
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 7: I like how you frame that well.

795
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 3: I was kind of always like I like playing by myself.

796
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 3: I like my imagination. I like my dolls, I like

797
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 3: my space. We didn't have much space, you know, so

798
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 3: I was that kid for a while. Craig was always

799
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 3: I'm going out, I'm playing He's out in the neighborhood,

800
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 3: right And there was just something in me that was like, wow,

801
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 3: you know, the neighborhood's messy. You know, other little kids

802
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 3: can be messy, you know, I just know this sad, friends,

803
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 3: but you know, Craig was already out there, but there

804
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 3: was something in me. I think, Mom, it's like, you

805
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 3: need to get out of this house and go be

806
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 3: a regular kid and play right. And so there was

807
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 3: this neighborhood across the alley from us that didn't have

808
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 3: a street, in the middle of a bunch of houses

809
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 3: with a sidewalk. A lot of kids were there, a

810
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 3: lot of all our friends were over there, and it

811
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 3: was a good place to play because you could go

812
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 3: in between houses and not be in a street. And

813
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 3: you know, it's just the regular ole. You're kind of

814
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 3: the new girl, but I'm not because I'm Craig's little sister,

815
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 3: you know. And you you know, there was one girl

816
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 3: that decided she wanted to test me, right, just like

817
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 3: who are you? You talk like white girl? What about this?

818
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 3: And what about that? And it's like, mm, you know,

819
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 3: I'm either gonna have to deal with this or I'm

820
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 3: gonna have to debt it right in the vernacular. Uh,

821
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 3: you know, that would just sort of like you You know,

822
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 3: that's probably why I didn't want to have to go out,

823
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 3: you know, because you have to go out, you have

824
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,439
Speaker 3: to be out, you have to earn your spot out,

825
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 3: and I was like, do I really want to do that?

826
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: Do I need it?

827
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 3: Do I need it?

828
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 4: Beneath her?

829
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 3: But then I had I like my friends. I like

830
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 3: playing piggy and tag and softball. The cute boys were

831
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 3: out there, Double Dutch was out there. I was like,

832
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 3: d d is not going to stop me from being

833
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 3: out here. So I figured there was one time that

834
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 3: she was giving me a little bit too much lip,

835
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 3: and I just decided then and there to punch her

836
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 3: in the face. And we were fighting. Yeah, And it

837
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 3: was that. I know, I took her by surprise because

838
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 3: while he saw that side of me inside nobody, I

839
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 3: was a very lovely young lady. You know. All the

840
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 3: parents liked me because it was like, Hi, it's such

841
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 3: and such. But I did punch her in the face.

842
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 3: Those bots and skins pulled off on Dadi. We fought,

843
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 3: you know. I think a lot of people would just

844
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 3: really shock. It's like, is that Michelle fighting? I was like,

845
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 3: can let me ht her? But after that, me and

846
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 3: Dady were cool, We were good.

847
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. Rerounded that part three times on

848
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 2: the audio book. I just like really got and initially

849
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: wasn't on the Rundown. I'm reading the Rundown last like

850
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 2: I'm going. I want to hear the I want to really.

851
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 5: Hear the side of it.

852
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it, even taking that air.

853
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,439
Speaker 5: But we have wait.

854
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 7: We have to say that you, you and d D

855
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 7: got to be friends. We were all really good friends

856
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 7: that you know how it is, so the first time

857
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 7: you have.

858
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 2: Fun, I want not to cut you off. I'm going

859
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 2: to one of my closest friends wedding that I played

860
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 2: college basketball with him. Didn't come close until we fought

861
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: to beat the brakes off of But I'm gonna be

862
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: in his wedding next week. That's how we like.

863
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 4: That game with the hair is only gonna get you something.

864
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 2: Sometimes you got to step out and show them. So

865
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:34,439
Speaker 2: times you got to do.

866
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 3: I was an enforcer, my own waish shape and form.

867
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 5: A little bit of is coming with me, So coming

868
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 5: with me. I can hide it.

869
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 7: Craig, Yes, sir, you had a little game, a little

870
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 7: bit Princeton.

871
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 6: Michelle wrote in the book that basketball seemed to unlock

872
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 6: every frontier of you.

873
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: What does she mean when you say.

874
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:03,479
Speaker 7: That, Well, you guys probably can appreciate this, but it's

875
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 7: really hard to be one of the best at something

876
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 7: at a young age, because there's no way to differentiate

877
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 7: yourself from the other kids. And once I started to

878
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 7: realize I was good at basketball, that sort of gave

879
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 7: me that differentiation. And it also gave me the confidence

880
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 7: to do a whole lot of stuff and and and

881
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 7: it started with traveling away from my neighborhood to go

882
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 7: play against dudes who are in an other neighborhood. I

883
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 7: was not afraid to do that. Then I would venture

884
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 7: to the West side of Chicago and play in leagues.

885
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 7: And you know how what you do, you're just trying

886
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 7: to find guys through this competitions. Unfortunately doesn't happen enough

887
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 7: these days with our kids. We're too busy setting up

888
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 7: the games for him, right like we would just do

889
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 7: it on our own. And it really like I was

890
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 7: always a really good student, but that wasn't something that

891
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 7: people rewarded you for accolades and usually got you usually

892
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 7: got teased for it. But then once you know, you

893
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 7: hit seventh eighth grade and you can play a little bit,

894
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 7: then it's like, oh okay. And so I think it

895
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 7: helped me. It is continued to help me because even now,

896
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 7: you guys remember when we were coming along. I'm a

897
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 7: little older than you. Coaches didn't coach confidence. They coached discipline.

898
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 7: Do it my way or the highway. Nowadays, folks are

899
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 7: unlocking guys games by building up their confidence. And that's

900
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 7: what the game.

901
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 4: Did for me. It built me up.

902
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 7: There's no way I would walk onto the campus of

903
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,919
Speaker 7: Princeton without having been a basketball player. There's no way

904
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 7: I wouldn't have even thought I could achieve that. But

905
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 7: because of the game, you learn how to work harder

906
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 7: on the academic side, and then next thing you know,

907
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 7: you're at a place that you know, you can't believe

908
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 7: you're there, and it changes your life.

909
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: I think we spoke yesterday on your gother show, just

910
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 2: what sports used to teach you, not only the principles

911
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 2: in the game, but the principles for life. It used

912
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 2: to teach you so many life qualities that I feel

913
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 2: like obviously lacking in today. But I completely agree. I mean,

914
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 2: it just gives you the confidence and I can take

915
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 2: on anything. If I could do this, yeah type mentality

916
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: you with I did cook you.

917
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 7: Of course, I wasn't even at your level. I was

918
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 7: just an ordinary player. Listen, So my first encountered in

919
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 7: playing in the Chicago Summer League. Now I held my

920
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 7: own and we weren't always guarding each other, but that was.

921
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 4: Five on five hell bone. It was fine.

922
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 7: But then once he retired and he was coming back,

923
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 7: he needed some guys who kind of knew the game

924
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 7: that he could sort of quietly start working out with.

925
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 4: And he ended up somebody.

926
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 5: Grover.

927
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 7: Tim Grover knew us, and he got me John Rodgers,

928
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 7: who's the president of Aerial Capital Management, Ernie Duncan, who

929
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 7: was a former.

930
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 4: Secretary of Education.

931
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 7: The three of us would go kind of work do

932
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 7: workouts with him, and that's when he that's when he

933
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 7: cooked me, I mean cooked me. And it was so

934
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 7: funny because he was very serious about what he was doing.

935
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 7: Where you would think that somebody who is one of

936
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 7: the is like the greatest of all time, would be

937
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 7: taking it easy on some guys who are trying to

938
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 7: help him get in shape.

939
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 4: It was not like that. And you guys know him too,

940
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 4: that's the greatest.

941
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 7: I mean, he was working on stuff and elbow right

942
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 7: to the ribs. Oh okay, all right, let me be

943
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 7: prepared next time. Elbow to the next and then and

944
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 7: then finally once I got one on him where he

945
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 7: fooled me and I made it and I fell down

946
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 7: and he was like, Craig, you okay, And I said, yeah,

947
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 7: I appreciate it. He's like, I didn't get the fuck up.

948
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 4: I was like, all right, I see what everybody's saying.

949
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 5: Have been.

950
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 4: First of all, I was, I was in fear the

951
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 4: whole time I was playing that he land on my.

952
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

953
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 7: But then then once he got in real shape, he

954
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 7: started bringing in real pros because we were in our

955
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 7: we were probably you know, that was probably in our

956
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 7: early thirties when that happened. So he brought in some

957
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 7: real athletic guys who were playing We were we were

958
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 7: playing three on threes and so he used us early on.

959
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 7: But it was it was a real treat, and he's

960
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 7: always been gracious ever since.

961
00:51:59,719 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 2: You know.

962
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 7: I always assumed that he didn't remember me from that.

963
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 7: And we were at David Stearn's funeral or memorial it wasn't.

964
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 7: It was a memorial in New York City and I'm

965
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 7: walking past and I was like, Mike, Craig Robbins.

966
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 4: He's like, Craigie, I remember you messed up, you know,

967
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 4: how he is.

968
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: He just is.

969
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 7: His mind is as sharp as his game. But it

970
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 7: was a real it was it was a real treat.

971
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

972
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 7: And then I ended up one one more story. When

973
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 7: I was the I was assistant coach at Northwestern and

974
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 7: I got the head coaching job at Brown. I tried

975
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:43,720
Speaker 7: to recruit his oldest son, Marcus. Uh no, Mark, not Marcus, Marcus,

976
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 7: the one who's older than Marcus to go to Brown.

977
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 7: He ended up going somewhere Florida or something. I think

978
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 7: Marcus went to Marcus Florida, Central Florida, but I can't. Jeffrey, Yeah,

979
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 7: he ended up going to Illinois. I was like, man,

980
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 7: you bonus points. You could have come to Brown and

981
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 7: would have been starting the Man and Ivy League school.

982
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 7: But you know, not not everybody understands the big picture,

983
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,280
Speaker 7: the big picture, or once the big picture.

984
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 4: So it's just really neat.

985
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 5: Neither one of them was good. That's crazy.

986
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 2: By the way, By the way, way this is so popular,

987
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 2: by the way, you know how you really feel? The

988
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 2: WNBA has been a really hot topic. You know, we

989
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 2: discussed off camera project you guys were potentially working on

990
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 2: a few years ago that I thought was great. Maybe

991
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 2: you guys will be able to bring that back. But

992
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 2: what is your guys thoughts on just the growth of

993
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 2: the league and how it's a real topic of conversation

994
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 2: right now. And on top of that, the ladies fighting

995
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 2: for I just sat down with Kelsey Plumb a few

996
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 2: days ago before we came out here, and their revenue

997
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 2: share is completely different. For those of you who don't know,

998
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,240
Speaker 2: I think the NBA is a forty nine to fifty

999
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 2: one windows split. They get nine percent of their split.

1000
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,439
Speaker 2: So it's a little misinformational people.

1001
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 5: You're not doing this.

1002
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 2: You're not doing that. They want a different revenue split,

1003
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 2: they want more, a different cut of the pie. But

1004
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 2: what is your guys thoughts on just the growth of

1005
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 2: the game and how it's you know, really common now.

1006
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 3: To I mean, they're two ways to look at it.

1007
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 3: They've come a long way. Things have changed. There is

1008
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 3: a league, there are stars, it's growing. There owners or

1009
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 3: owners like the size or you know, really making the investment.

1010
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 3: All all that's wonderful to see. But we were just

1011
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 3: we just had a great conversation with Candice Parker and

1012
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 3: to be reminded of how hard things were, you know,

1013
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 3: playing in Russia and China getting maybe two weeks a

1014
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 3: break on her body a season because she had to

1015
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 3: play in two sass being pregnant, you know, in a

1016
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 3: league that didn't have a maternity policy. The toll that

1017
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 3: that's taken her body. I mean, and she's just thirty nine, right,

1018
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 3: and she is one of the greats. The fact that

1019
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 3: she will not experience, or did not experience, the fruits

1020
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 3: of her outstanding athletic ability is sad. You know why,

1021
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 3: because she's a woman. It's ridiculous. So you know, politically

1022
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 3: you want to say, well, it's great they're making their way,

1023
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 3: but you know, I say faster, better, quicker. You know,

1024
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 3: why do women athletes have to jump through so many hurdles?

1025
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 3: And it's not just in basketball. You know, Alison Felix

1026
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 3: can tell you the same story. You know, we haven't

1027
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 3: figured out how to recognize and pay women for their talent,

1028
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,959
Speaker 3: even though their name and likeness that people are making

1029
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 3: money off of them. You know, Nike Is still uses

1030
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 3: Alison Felix's name and likeness, but they wouldn't pay her

1031
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 3: when she got pregnant. You know, women can have babies

1032
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 3: and dunk and run fast and you know, do it

1033
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 3: all but why are we constantly you know, third in

1034
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:21,240
Speaker 3: line for the you know, for the payoffs.

1035
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 7: There's just a lack of investment. You know, you guys

1036
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 7: have been in the league. You see you see why

1037
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 7: certain teams win a lot.

1038
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 2: Of games start at the top.

1039
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 4: It's on art's at the top.

1040
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 7: And if there's no if there's only a couple of

1041
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 7: really understanding, I don't want to say good other owners

1042
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 7: who understand.

1043
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 4: It's like any other investment.

1044
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 2: You put the resources toward it, behind it, you will

1045
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 2: it will start to grow.

1046
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 7: And it's just been interesting to see what has taken

1047
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:58,399
Speaker 7: it so long to start moving in that direction. I

1048
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 7: used to think it was okay, once people start to

1049
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 7: watch it and it'll start to grow, but it has

1050
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 7: never been any more popular than it is now. So

1051
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 7: now it's it's got to be let's let's negotiate a

1052
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 7: fit something fair. Because when I'm with you, it was

1053
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 7: it was in the last couple of years that I

1054
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 7: knew it was nine percent or seven whatever, it is

1055
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 7: nine percent and not closer to fifty percent.

1056
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 5: I think it's more.

1057
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 6: I think it's more the w n B A and

1058
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 6: it's it's really on them because tennis get paid well,

1059
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 6: they take care of them. Soccer girls they get played well.

1060
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 6: I think they solely singling out these girls. That's how

1061
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 6: I look at it, because no other people, no other

1062
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 6: women's sport is really going through that. Yeah, you know,

1063
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,439
Speaker 6: Tennis they get treated great, Soccer they get treated great.

1064
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. It's just a WNBA. So

1065
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 6: why is that? It's my question?

1066
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 2: I think too. It's also the contrast and compared to

1067
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 2: what men are making and doing compared to what you know,

1068
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 2: the women are doing. But one thing I think has

1069
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 2: helped the growth of the female game of late is

1070
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 2: the storylines. And obviously with Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese

1071
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 2: starting and developing their storyline in college and obviously you know,

1072
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 2: you start hearing about them in high school and then

1073
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 2: their storylines really start to develop in college and to

1074
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 2: bring all that same energy into the NBA, and I

1075
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 2: think that was kind of an injection of just life

1076
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 2: and support. But the one thing I don't like about

1077
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 2: it is I feel like people feel like if you

1078
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 2: like one, you can't like the other, Like both these

1079
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 2: women can't. Unfortunate, they're gonna synonyms be be linked for

1080
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 2: the rest of their careers, whether they like it or not.

1081
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 2: But I also think the storyline helps both of them.

1082
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 2: What are your guys' thoughts on kind of the either

1083
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 2: or mentality in this.

1084
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, Matt, I want to speak to that because I've

1085
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 7: always said if these if it was two guys, it

1086
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 7: would be okay to totally fine against one of them

1087
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 7: and for the other. That verb that's what happens in sports.

1088
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 2: It would root, but it wasn't. Not necessarily the hate. Yes,

1089
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 2: I feel like you.

1090
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 3: So.

1091
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 4: I thought a lot of folks hated the Celtics.

1092
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 2: Oh you're talking about back in with the Magic.

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00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, you are right on that. You are right, That's

1094
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 4: what I mean.

1095
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 7: And what it's not okay for the I think I

1096
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 7: think the storylines of a real rivalry is good.

1097
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 4: For the guests. Yes, and I mean the hate is

1098
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 4: the hate.

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00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 7: It's part of social media, it's part of the it's

1100
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 7: part of society today. But I thought I have been

1101
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 7: saying for the last I don't know, maybe ten years,

1102
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 7: you've heard me say this that the women's game needed

1103
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 7: real drama, not fabricated drama. You needed real drama. And

1104
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 7: for the first time in the last couple of years,

1105
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 7: you saw actual.

1106
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 6: Beef beefal and they started in college though I love it,

1107
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:52,959
Speaker 6: and they brought it, transferred it to the NBA.

1108
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 5: So that's how they get that light. So you're exactly right.

1109
00:59:55,600 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 7: You're exactly right, and and so use that, use that

1110
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 7: and then tell the good stories, tell the bad said,

1111
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 7: but use that because that's what draws people to sports,

1112
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 7: right because you root against everybody else who's not your team.

1113
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 2: And the hero villain approach has always been good for

1114
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 2: sports as well.

1115
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 4: And it's the real reality TV.

1116
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 3: I think the tough thing is the social media elements

1117
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,439
Speaker 3: to it. But that's true across the board. I mean,

1118
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 3: we've talked about this on our show. It just you know,

1119
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 3: it just takes a normal occurrence. You know, these young

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01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 3: kids today, what they have to go through, what they

1121
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 3: have to be able to withstand because social media is

1122
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 3: such a huge part of their world. I mean, you

1123
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 3: know there's the hate, but now the hate is in

1124
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 3: your room, on your phone with you all the time,

1125
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 3: and you can't, for whatever reason, tell these kids to

1126
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 3: turn it off because they're making their living that way.

1127
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 3: I mean that they now are expected to stay engaged.

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01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 3: So I think that makes it feel even worse. But

1129
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 3: as you point out, that's happening in sports across gender.

1130
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 3: It's just harder now to withstand other people's horrible, horrible opinions.

1131
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad that mental health is a conversation now

1132
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 2: because of that. And we talked a ton yesterday just

1133
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 2: about how my approach to my kids is very mental.

1134
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,439
Speaker 2: It's because of you know, there's keep it. Really, there's

1135
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 2: a lot of idiots out there with voices now, and

1136
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,439
Speaker 2: not everyone deserves it, but just the negative energy that's

1137
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 2: constantly drawn on these athletes and really just people in general.

1138
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 2: And again, that's why I feel like the conversation of

1139
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 2: mental health is so important now, because there's just any

1140
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 2: time you turn anything on, it's just negative, negative, negative.

1141
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 5: Marriage and relationships.

1142
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 6: Becoming the first lady playing basketball, we were blessed to

1143
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 6: have veterans in the locker room right to kind of

1144
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 6: give us the ropes and to not make mistakes. Becoming

1145
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 6: the first lady, is it a og? First lady? This

1146
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 6: is what you got to do.

1147
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 3: Let me tell you what I did do as being

1148
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 3: being the first black, first black woman. I knew that

1149
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 3: it was in common. I knew I wanted to come

1150
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 3: in and do things differently that I you know that

1151
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 3: I had to bring my authentic self to the role,

1152
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 3: and there was a question of how was the country

1153
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 3: going to respond to that. Part of my strategy was,

1154
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 3: let me before I make changes, let me show respect

1155
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 3: to the ogs, let me, let me let people understand

1156
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 3: that I know the history, and I get the job,

1157
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 3: and I get and I value what other people brought

1158
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 3: to it. So in that vein, in my first year,

1159
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 3: at least, I made it a point to reach out,

1160
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 3: have lunch with, invite over every living first Lady that

1161
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 3: was alive and could could could make the trip Number one,

1162
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 3: because I wanted to send the message that you know,

1163
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 3: when your family goes into the White House, regardless of

1164
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 3: what party you're in, your family lives there right you know,

1165
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 3: that's the house of your family. My kids have lived

1166
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 3: longer in the White House than they've lived in any house,

1167
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 3: so there is you know, it doesn't belong to us,

1168
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:25,959
Speaker 3: it belongs to everyone. So I didn't want a Republican

1169
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 3: former First Lady to feel like she couldn't come back

1170
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 3: to that house, that she wouldn't have access to it

1171
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 3: because I was there.

1172
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 4: Because it's like.

1173
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 3: That that house meant something to you. And in order

1174
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 3: to do that, you had to It was up to

1175
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 3: me to extend the olive branch, to sit down, to listen,

1176
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 3: to ask questions, to hear tell me how you did it,

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01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 3: what your challenges were?

1178
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 5: Right?

1179
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 3: Not everybody else did that. I haven't gotten a lot

1180
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 3: of calls, you know, but I think that there's some

1181
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 3: people who are looking for some OJ advice and others

1182
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 3: who don't don't want it. I wanted it and and

1183
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 3: I felt that it was useful, and as a result,

1184
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 3: I felt like we had a lot of support from

1185
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:12,919
Speaker 3: other administrations, first ladies offices. It wasn't just first Lady

1186
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 3: the first Lady, but my chief of staff was very

1187
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 3: connected to Lord Bush's chief of staff. There are always

1188
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 3: questions that would come up, protocol, What did you do here?

1189
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 3: How did you handle this? I wanted my teams to

1190
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 3: have some kind of, you know, place to go for

1191
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 3: advice and to feel like there was a community, a camaraderie.

1192
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 3: Not everybody, uh, you know uh has approached the job

1193
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 3: that way, but it's it's it's that's their prerogative. That

1194
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 3: was how I chose to approach it.

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01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 6: When did you When did when did you tried to

1196
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 6: put swerve and and and and Michelle Obama spin on

1197
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 6: the White House.

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01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 5: When did that feel come in?

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Speaker 3: I think I think that was right away as soon

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01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 3: as yeah, yeah, because well, first of all, you know,

1201
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 3: we ran on it was a campaign that wasn't just

1202
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 3: me and Barack. You know, there were a lot of

1203
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 3: people who got us there, and in every every step

1204
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 3: we took, the question was how do we keep bringing

1205
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 3: people along with us? You don't just get to that

1206
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 3: house and close the doors behind you. And you know,

1207
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 3: our motto was We're the People's House, and we wanted

1208
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 3: the people to be defined very broadly, right. Some of

1209
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 3: the things we would do, like even when you do

1210
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 3: a state visit, for example, one of the things I

1211
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 3: thought is that, okay, we have these large state dinners

1212
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 3: where the presidents of other countries come to the White

1213
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 3: House and it's you know, black tie, and you know,

1214
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 3: ambassadors are invited and the top donors are invited. I

1215
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 3: was like, well, what about everybody in the city, you know,

1216
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 3: who's impacted by this state visit? How do we incorporate

1217
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 3: the kids from public schools around the area. So for

1218
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 3: every state dinner, we would do a companion taste and

1219
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 3: invite some kids to come and sit at the tables

1220
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 3: and see the You know, if we had entertainers come,

1221
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 3: we do a companion event in the afternoon where the

1222
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 3: entertainers would agree to sit down and talk to the kids.

1223
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 3: For the opening ceremony, we would invite little kids to

1224
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 3: come and wave and to see the every chance we got,

1225
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 3: the question was how do we get more people here?

1226
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 3: And then when we weren't bringing people here. For me,

1227
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 3: it was important for me to go out, you know,

1228
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 3: because if you're building relationships with people, you can't just

1229
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 3: invite them to your house. You got to go to

1230
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 3: their house shot to show that there's some respect for

1231
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 3: your house. So off the record, for my entire time

1232
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 3: at the I thought I was First Lady. I made

1233
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 3: it a point to try to go to every public

1234
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 3: high school in the DC area off the record and

1235
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 3: to just go talk to kids, because I thought that

1236
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 3: there was some power in the First Lady's motorcade driving

1237
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 3: up to into Anacostia and for me walking in those doors,

1238
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 3: usually with kids not even knowing. I'd ask them to

1239
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 3: set aside a group of seniors or juniors, you know,

1240
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 3: tell them that it was the superintendent or whatever, and

1241
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 3: then I'd show up and then I'd just sit for

1242
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 3: hours because it would take kids a second to stop

1243
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 3: crying or to realize that it was happening.

1244
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1245
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 3: And my whole point was what we do is about you,

1246
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 3: and your community is important enough that we need to

1247
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 3: come to you too, you know. So that those were

1248
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 3: the kind of if you want to say, obamafication of

1249
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 3: you know, the White House. It was just opening it up.

1250
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 5: You know.

1251
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 3: Music was big for us in the White House. We

1252
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 3: had a whole array of music series ongoing. We honored

1253
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 3: Stevie Wonder. Prince performed at the White House months before

1254
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 3: he died. I wanted to make sure that at every

1255
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:04,439
Speaker 3: black diva that maybe would never be invited to sing

1256
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 3: in the White House got invited. Chaka Khans sang at

1257
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 3: the Governor's Ball, Diana Ross did an event, Janelle Monet

1258
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 3: was dancing on tables for the South Korea. We had

1259
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:21,639
Speaker 3: a Beet R and B blowout at the end with Bell,

1260
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 3: Biv Devaux and Poison being sung on the walls, bringing

1261
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 3: a little flavor. And it wasn't just R and B,

1262
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:32,799
Speaker 3: but it was country, it was Broadway, it was dance.

1263
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 3: It was theater. I did one event where we just

1264
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 3: invited all these designers to the White House because I

1265
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 3: was known for fashion, but I never really talked about

1266
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 3: it in the White House. So we had a day

1267
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 3: where we invited some of the top design students to

1268
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 3: come to the White House for the day to meet

1269
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 3: with Anna Wintour, to drape fabrics with you know, you know,

1270
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:58,759
Speaker 3: some of the top designers, to spend the whole day

1271
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 3: in the White House. You know, those were some of

1272
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 3: the things that just kept saying, this house is yours,

1273
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 3: we are you. You belong here as much as the

1274
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 3: hoodie dudes. And that was to me, that was the

1275
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 3: most valuable way for us to use that space at

1276
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 3: the time.

1277
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 6: The flyers first Lady for sure. One more question, though,

1278
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 6: it's this funny question. Was it any Louisiana hot so

1279
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:26,520
Speaker 6: tony sassers in the White House.

1280
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 3: All up and down the place?

1281
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 5: I want to hear that type.

1282
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, the question is was anybody frying

1283
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:37,719
Speaker 3: chicken up in the White House? Answer was yes, yes.

1284
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 3: At the last party that we had, the going away party,

1285
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 3: which was full of tears, what you know, and it lasted.

1286
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 3: Some of the parties would last till three four in

1287
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 3: the Morris where people were really you know, enjoying themselves.

1288
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 3: And at the last the midnight snack that was brought

1289
01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 3: out were chicken and waffles, you know, and so everybody

1290
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 3: and that's what everybody said.

1291
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, all this has been great. We got about

1292
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 2: ten minutes left, so we're going to jump to quick hitters.

1293
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 2: First thing to come to mind. Let us know, Michelle,

1294
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 2: you had a visit. You had a very famous quote,

1295
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 2: when they go low, we go high. We still have

1296
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 2: to go high.

1297
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:28,600
Speaker 3: You'll get there, you know. The the true answer is,

1298
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 3: you know, no.

1299
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 5: Sometimes it was good at the moment.

1300
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 2: Let's meeting where they're at now.

1301
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 7: You know.

1302
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:39,639
Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing. Here's the thing. Going going high

1303
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:43,719
Speaker 3: is about being strategic, right, and that's really my point.

1304
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean you don't feel it emotionally, that doesn't

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Speaker 3: mean you don't get angry, you know, but that means

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01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 3: that our response needs to be strategic and have a

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01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 3: goal beyond us just being mad, because that's just you know,

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01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 3: I don't want to waste my mad, right. So let's

1309
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 3: you know, let's let's be thoughtful about what we say,

1310
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 3: why we say it, what's the plan where we headed.

1311
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 3: You know, that's what going high is.

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01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 2: Gotcha.

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01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 6: You think I got some mad ways, I'm a lot

1314
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 6: of mad you got from somebody else. Both of you.

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01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 6: This question is both of you. One album you can

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01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 6: listen to with no skips.

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01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:31,680
Speaker 7: Oh that's easy for me. What that's the way of

1318
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 7: the world, Earth Wind and five. I can listen to

1319
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 7: just play the whole thing, look it over and play

1320
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 7: the other ones.

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01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 3: Stevie wonders talking about New yours.

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01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, what music artists again? For both you

1323
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 2: guys will be surprised to see on your playlist.

1324
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:52,600
Speaker 3: I mean there's there's so many. I like Billy, I

1325
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 3: love Billy Joel, I love Elton John, I love pianist,

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01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 3: you know I love that. You know, like it's like,

1327
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 3: how'd you do that? How did you make that piano

1328
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:04,719
Speaker 3: sound that way? Diana crawl?

1329
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 4: So yeah, Neil Diamond.

1330
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 3: I'm surprised to hear that. Neil Diamond.

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01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 4: Oh huh Yeah, you.

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01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 7: Guys gotta you gotta explain that I still have young kids.

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01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, fifteen thirteen.

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01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 3: Say, but I wouldn't be surprised. See that's why I

1335
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 3: was like, of course glow real, of course wrap arm

1336
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 3: b all of it.

1337
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 4: I got, I get a mix.

1338
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a very important question right here.

1339
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:43,679
Speaker 5: Grits, salt or sugar? Any grits?

1340
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 6: Oh salt salt, no way, no way, butter sugar?

1341
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 2: Oh gallon of sugar, salt butter?

1342
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:57,719
Speaker 3: Now you got oatmeal, very bland oat me, cheese and salt.

1343
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, if anything, I'll have she's in my salt.

1344
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:01,839
Speaker 5: Sugar.

1345
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say scrambled eggs in there somebody.

1346
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, butter.

1347
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 3: Well, then what do we have now?

1348
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 2: We just have?

1349
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 3: We have.

1350
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 2: Guilty pleasure?

1351
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:24,520
Speaker 3: Uh, a very dry martini up olives novermouth.

1352
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 5: Basically, what does dry mean?

1353
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 2: Just just straight once to the dome. Yeah, okay, money,

1354
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 2: once to the dome. I like that.

1355
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 4: My guilty pleasure would be.

1356
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 7: Harold's fried Chicken from the South Side of Chicago called.

1357
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 3: When he said hair, I was like, where are you going?

1358
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 5: That's the original They got him in Atlanta. Now, so.

1359
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 2: He stabbed him like stabbing it shoes.

1360
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 7: She's like, you said hair, And then I started like

1361
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 7: y'all too, I know, look at that that's going. It's

1362
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,600
Speaker 7: not going anywhere.

1363
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,639
Speaker 5: Lebron Kobe wrank them.

1364
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:18,679
Speaker 4: I'll let the queen go first, Okay, m J lebron Kobe, Yeah.

1365
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 2: Order one to three.

1366
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 7: Oh Reallyron Kobe, Yeah, very good.

1367
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:25,879
Speaker 4: I'm impressed. I'm impressed.

1368
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 3: That's just me personally.

1369
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:30,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's personal questions, your personal question.

1370
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:31,599
Speaker 6: Uh.

1371
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 2: One book everybody should read.

1372
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 3: The book I read every couple of years is Tony

1373
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:41,759
Speaker 3: Morrison's song Asylent Solomon, Song of Solomon, Song of Solomon.

1374
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 3: Tony Morrison is my favorite author of all time. And

1375
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:50,680
Speaker 3: you know she writes in metaphor, and you know her

1376
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 3: pros are just awesome. So Song of Solomon.

1377
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 4: I would go, uh, Malcolm X's auto virus.

1378
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 6: If you could see one person on our show, who

1379
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 6: would it be? But you have to help us get

1380
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 6: your answer on the show, echoing.

1381
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 3: Barack Obama would love I would even.

1382
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 2: Think of that.

1383
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:22,839
Speaker 3: Call his people.

1384
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he would get a hold of them.

1385
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:27,759
Speaker 3: I think I think I got his numbers.

1386
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 4: That was going to be mine.

1387
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:31,719
Speaker 5: I think I got his number.

1388
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 3: If you were talking about sports, I mean any sport,

1389
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 3: I mean, you name it, it's a you know, and

1390
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 3: he knows about everything, so he would he would have

1391
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:41,599
Speaker 3: a ball.

1392
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 5: Got it, We got it. We're gonna we have him

1393
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 5: on the show.

1394
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:46,639
Speaker 6: If we haven't we're gonna know not if when we haven't,

1395
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 6: we're going to have a live game of horse.

1396
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, I want to see what the left hand about.

1397
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna talk about that too, but we wait

1398
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 2: to get that last question. If you were to have

1399
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:01,480
Speaker 2: a biopic, who would you want to play you? Oh

1400
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 2: gosh on the spot. Final question?

1401
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 4: First, Well, nobody's gonna do a bio pick on me,

1402
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 4: but you're going to be in.

1403
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 3: It, to be in the big part of you.

1404
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 2: Know.

1405
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:19,640
Speaker 4: What's what? I have not thought about it? Lay me?

1406
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 3: Oh, Charlie Rolf because I just love her these days.

1407
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 5: Okay, big guy.

1408
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 4: I was gonna say Denzel.

1409
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:32,719
Speaker 5: Big guy, ball headed.

1410
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 6: I would go Forrest Whittaker because he's killing it right

1411
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 6: now on TV and yes he's playing.

1412
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 4: I would, I would.

1413
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:44,600
Speaker 7: I was gonna say before she said Denzel, I was

1414
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:45,600
Speaker 7: gonna say Samuel L.

1415
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 4: Jackson.

1416
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 5: But neither one of them. Can you need somebody that

1417
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:50,519
Speaker 5: hoop a little bit?

1418
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 4: Say Forest Willier?

1419
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 5: Not better than them? Who's the dude, Who's.

1420
01:16:57,840 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 2: What's your name's brother?

1421
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:04,600
Speaker 6: Who's what Harris's brother would have to play on bim F?

1422
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, he would be great. He won't be great his brother.

1423
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, his brothers.

1424
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, slipping mine because.

1425
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 7: What Harris is probably a good athlete. Oh yeah, because

1426
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 7: I think he played.

1427
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 6: He slayed inove the room. Yeah yeah, Harris, he's real good.

1428
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 6: He's a real good actor.

1429
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 5: All right.

1430
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 2: Last thing, what do you think when you see this

1431
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 2: picture right here?

1432
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:35,639
Speaker 3: Is that Barrock? He doesn't the archives anymore? Oh my god?

1433
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 5: Okay, what was he doing in this picture?

1434
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 3: I have no idea. It looks like.

1435
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 5: He's was he collecting his starts?

1436
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:44,759
Speaker 3: I don't know. He's probably about to smoke.

1437
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 6: That's what was that about to happen? Because I could

1438
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 6: see myself in this picture, like the chairs over there, he.

1439
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 3: Might have just fit.

1440
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:56,760
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, he fresh off one. I can see.

1441
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 5: I can see it.

1442
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 4: That's the same class.

1443
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:01,599
Speaker 3: Appreciating all.

1444
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 5: Indeed, that's beautiful.

1445
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 2: Thank you guys very much for your.

1446
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 4: For you all you guys have your own yes, you

1447
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 4: and our daughter, thank you so much.

1448
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 5: Thank you so much.

1449
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:25,839
Speaker 2: Also, big things to manifest this new amazing eleven thousand

1450
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:27,679
Speaker 2: square foot building opening up September.

1451
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 4: You guys come check it out.

1452
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 2: One stop d C Harbishop, Crazy Clothes, Speak, easy bar food.

1453
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:35,759
Speaker 5: It's amazing.

1454
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 2: Thank you guys for having.

1455
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 4: Us and the most comfortable chairs.

1456
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 2: And they got some gript to shell Obama Craig Robinson

1457
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 2: catch us on All the Smoke YouTube and the Draft

1458
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 2: Kings Network. We'll see you guys next week.

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Speaker 5: Leg you pa, mm hmm