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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance. I'm

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Speaker 1: Brock Shelton about white tailed deer hunting. He's one of

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Speaker 1: those guys who may not have social media. He may

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Speaker 1: not talk a whole lot about his success, but his

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Speaker 1: He's got a pile of big bucks to his name,

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Speaker 1: and some of those are nearing that magical tuner inch mark,

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Speaker 1: and to boot he may just be the nicest guy ever.

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Speaker 1: I've had the fortune of coming to Kansas for four

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Speaker 1: years now and Brock's always running dinner. He's got dinner

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Speaker 1: it makes me rethink how good of a guy I

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Speaker 1: share a blind with them a little bit. This week.

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Speaker 1: We've we've talked a lot of hunting. We've talked about

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Speaker 1: amongst a bunch of other things. So I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: get him here on the podcast. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Brock. Hey, thanks for having me. Jason.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we've you were here from the I believe

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Speaker 1: the first time, you know, we showed up in Kansas,

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Speaker 1: you were involved. We hunted with you a couple couple

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's I think you had killed that When

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Speaker 1: did you kill that big buck? I'm even gonna guess.

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Speaker 2: I killed my largest one to date back in twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 2: so it's been a few years. A few years back,

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Speaker 2: Oh gotcha.

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Speaker 1: And that that buck I said, nearing two hundred. I

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Speaker 1: thought he might have made it. How big did that?

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Speaker 2: He was like one nine and changed close real clue.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna round up because that's the

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Speaker 2: Thank you?

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Speaker 1: No, it was a it was a giant buck. I

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Speaker 1: think that year I got to go over to Brock's

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Speaker 1: he's a he's a quiet guy. Doesn't talk a whole

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Speaker 1: a whole lot about whitetail hunting and uh, pretty dang

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Speaker 1: good at it. So, like all episodes of Cutting the Distance, today,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna jump in to listener question and answer, but

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Speaker 1: we've got a special version of the listener question and

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Speaker 1: answer today. I just got my questions from Dirk Durham.

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Speaker 1: He had three that he wanted me to throw at Brox,

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna We're gonna do it that way. But

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Speaker 1: if you or if you've got any questions of your

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna throw three questions here at your brock.

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Speaker 1: But that Dirk had what is your opinion on scent control?

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Speaker 1: You know, coming from the West we're more of a

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Speaker 1: We always use the old the saying like, oh, Grandpa

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Speaker 2: Some of you guys come in from other states and

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Speaker 1: And so do you on scent control? On your wind?

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Speaker 1: you're you're hunting your stand, but then does your approach

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Speaker 2: Absolutely like access is key to me. I've actually acquired

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm I'm going to be getting ahead of

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Speaker 2: I will wait until the rut to hunt those stands

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Speaker 1: Yep. And we'll get into it later. You got you know,

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Speaker 2: Little bit too. I've always said a guy's hunting is

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Speaker 2: good neighbors like Randy Rodney around us. My brother bought

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know Randy has an outfitter against adjacent to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it. It adds for some interesting talks in

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Speaker 1: are there any other features? Face, horns, belly back.

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Speaker 2: I mean he was ancient. I mean I had a

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Speaker 1: isn't as safe as I thought.

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00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:56,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't I think in that time

433
00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,520
Speaker 2: of year. To me, it doesn't affect them as much

434
00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,280
Speaker 2: as during the hunting season. I think they have a

435
00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 2: shorter memory than what a lot of people give them

436
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:05,360
Speaker 2: credit for.

437
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,359
Speaker 1: Gotcha, Yeah, we had the night I shot my bird

438
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,680
Speaker 1: back there, we had a buck about five yards away

439
00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,040
Speaker 1: from us, and you could see he was gonna, you know,

440
00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,600
Speaker 1: big basses already and he was about this tall. And

441
00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:17,800
Speaker 1: I hope that doesn't like mess him up. I'm sure

442
00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,880
Speaker 1: it won't, but you just hope it doesn't, like, yeah,

443
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:35,480
Speaker 1: make him Philly's not secure there. So when you talked

444
00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,920
Speaker 1: earlier and the questions of the dirk or in the intro,

445
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,000
Speaker 1: I can't remember, but you had a good buck last

446
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:44,400
Speaker 1: year that you passed. When when will you like pick

447
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,440
Speaker 1: him up? Or I mean about what time? You know?

448
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 1: Is it may June horn size? Like all right, I

449
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,440
Speaker 1: got him? Or is he gonna be in the same

450
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 1: area and can for me still alive? You know?

451
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,199
Speaker 2: It's it's funny because you know in years past, like

452
00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,240
Speaker 2: the largest year that I shot, I had pictures of

453
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 2: him in a counter with him the year before on

454
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 2: the total opposite end of the farm diagonal into the farm.

455
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 2: I'm a I'm a big believer. I'll run cameras as

456
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,359
Speaker 2: much as I can. I may not in the summer months.

457
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 2: I may not go in and check him for two months.

458
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 2: But you know, batteries are cheap, and the whole scheme

459
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 2: of things, even though they've they've gone up like crazy

460
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,360
Speaker 2: like everything else. But we run some sale cams too,

461
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 2: and there's not a lot of seal service on my farm,

462
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 2: so I've got to pick and choose where I want

463
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 2: to run those cameras. So they're just not dying within

464
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:37,160
Speaker 2: a week. But for the most part, he'll be he'll

465
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 2: be close, and if he's on my farm, there's more

466
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,120
Speaker 2: likely I'll have a picture of him, and then I'll

467
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 2: start a game plan for that.

468
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,200
Speaker 1: What's in your opinion, what are the what's likelihood that

469
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 1: if a deer's been on your farm he'll leave, or

470
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:51,640
Speaker 1: that if a deer wasn't on your farm he kind

471
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,640
Speaker 1: of shows up or can you tell like sometimes as

472
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 1: a buck just blow up once in a year, like hey,

473
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 1: where did this deer come from? Or did he come

474
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 1: from some adjacent farm and just end up there.

475
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, occasionally we'll have deer and like, man, we'll get

476
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 2: once you say once again, we'll get with the neighbors

477
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 2: and like, hey, do you have a picture of this deer.

478
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 2: There's there's there's transparency between all of us as neighbors here.

479
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 2: If we have a good deer, we're sharing it with

480
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,719
Speaker 2: the other guys. We're we're just as happy as if

481
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 2: the other guy shoots it as we are. So that

482
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 2: helps you too strategize saying, hey, I had pictures of

483
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 2: this deer last year and he was three and a

484
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 2: half last year, he's only four and a half. We

485
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 2: need to let him go another year so they stay.

486
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 2: I mean, and like I say, our farms together are

487
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:41,160
Speaker 2: what there's there's probably fifteen hundred acres here, over fifteen

488
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,919
Speaker 2: hundred acres that we're managing together, so that it's a unique,

489
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,919
Speaker 2: unique situation. I'm blessed to be a part of.

490
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, good neighbors and and you know, similar management styles definitely,

491
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 1: you know, help are you are you gonna go out

492
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 1: you know in the mornings or the evenings and you know,

493
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 1: let the binoculars do the work. You're gonna try to

494
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 1: just leave those deer and pressured when they're when they're

495
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: getting a bite to eat out in the in the ag.

496
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 2: Usually i'll i'll, i'll take like we have miles sections

497
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 2: around around here. Usually drive around the evening times if

498
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 2: there's soybeans out, and take binoculars and it's a fun

499
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 2: activity right before dark to see what's around the way

500
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 2: way our farm lies. It's kind of hard to do

501
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 2: that because it's off the road a little way, so

502
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 2: I typically don't do that much behind behind our place,

503
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 2: but uh, it's fun to see just you know, a

504
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 2: mile up the road you can see some nice, nice

505
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 2: deer out on the bean fields in the evening for dark,

506
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 2: and you know, it's not that far to go three

507
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 2: quarters of a mile and they're they're they're on your place, yep.

508
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 1: And and what time what time around here, you guys,

509
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: is deer finished out or you know, you can start

510
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 1: to figure out what's around.

511
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 2: Usually by first middle part of August, they're there. They

512
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,199
Speaker 2: are what they are. You can see the bulbs on

513
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 2: the end of the the the the racks are thinning out,

514
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 2: and they're gonna they're basically size is done and then

515
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 2: they'll just wait for the velvet to fall off. There

516
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 2: in their bachelor groups.

517
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: And do those do those bucks that are running together

518
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: they start to split it about that time when their

519
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 1: velvet starts to fall or they split before that.

520
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 2: Here, No, they'll they'll still be together, and then after

521
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 2: the velvet comes off, they'll start their pecking order.

522
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 1: And and is it that the point where you try

523
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: to start to figure out, like where that big bucks

524
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: wanting to hang, where he's betting, where he's coming out

525
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 1: is about that time middle August.

526
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 2: Or later later than that.

527
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: So it's gonna still it's gonna continue to change until

528
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 1: what time.

529
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 2: I would say when they'll start losing their velvet, usually

530
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: around first week two weeks in September. I mean you

531
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 2: can still you can still well, like that big deer

532
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 2: I shot almost ten year years ago. Now, I was

533
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 2: wanting to try to get him in velvet just because

534
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 2: he was so impressive, And so he stills caring velvet

535
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 2: up in the middle of September. So it just varies

536
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 2: a little bit. And I'm sure you've heard us talk

537
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 2: about We've had a deer here on our farm that

538
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 2: was was in velvet year round too. It was kind

539
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 2: of unique.

540
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: So gotcha, is your opener always September fifteenth or is

541
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: it float on like a Saturday man?

542
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 2: Even if I'm after a good deer, it's usually in

543
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 2: the middle of September. I don't know whether what day

544
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 2: it usually falls on. I don't I'm usually not that exactly.

545
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 2: I'm usually not biting my lip that that anxious. But yeah,

546
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 2: I just look at the website and see when first

547
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 2: day we can go. And like I say, a lot

548
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 2: of times, even if you have a good deer coming in,

549
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 2: you'll look at the weather and it's hard for me

550
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 2: to get excited if it's ninety degrees right, like you're sweating,

551
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 2: and I just don't want to mess up a good

552
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 2: stand if I got a good deal.

553
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: So you're you're gonna wait. So so when are you

554
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: gonna finally get in the stand, whether if you've got

555
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: a great buck? Is it when weather drops cold front?

556
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: Like when when does brock Shelton Sarah, I'm I'm getting

557
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: dressed up. I'm going up in the stand.

558
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 2: Yeah. First and foremost, I look to see if the

559
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: wind's right right, Like I don't mind setting on a

560
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 2: stand if you know, I'm doing surveillance and lungs of

561
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 2: winds right and I'm not messing up, messing up the

562
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 2: farm or the stand. There's I'll look at the wind.

563
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 2: I'll look to see the pattern of the deer. I

564
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 2: do a lot of Uh. I just watched the deer

565
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 2: movement a lot by by Sell sell cams uh and

566
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 2: and regular cams. If if I've been in there lately

567
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 2: to pull the card, but you you can. If you've

568
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: got a good deer coming into a spot, you don't

569
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 2: want to go in there. If he's not coming in,

570
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 2: you want to. You want to play like I say,

571
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 2: I always say, you want to put the cards in

572
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 2: your deck over there. You want to. You want to

573
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 2: make sure he's coming in. You want to make sure

574
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 2: the wind's right, and it's always better if you if

575
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: if you got a front coming in, it's those are

576
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: those are key factors and you can get a lot

577
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: of good movement that way. Gotcha?

578
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: So pre rut is are you gonna like October fifteenth?

579
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: Are you going to start getting the stand more and more?

580
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 1: Is that? Is that pre you know, end of October

581
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 1: rolls around. As long as the weather and the winds right,

582
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: you're gonna be out.

583
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh I will. I'll look at my activity and

584
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: everybody talks about the October lowell here in Keynsas the

585
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 2: last couple years it's been colder, the first week in

586
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 2: October than it has the first week in November, which

587
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: is is odd, you know. So yeah, I can remember,

588
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 2: you know, on November I think seventh, a couple of

589
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: years ago. I guess it would have been in twenty twenty. Uh,

590
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: shooting a buck and it was seventy degrees. I was

591
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 2: in a long sleeved T shirt. Was all but h October,

592
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,719
Speaker 2: you're you can have some deer starting to move. But yeah,

593
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 2: it's but if you got a cold front coming in,

594
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: they'll they'll really pick up the pace a little bit.

595
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: So it's I just I just watch and see what

596
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 2: the deer moving on cameras, and I'm real big, and

597
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 2: if nothing's moving, I don't want to go in there

598
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: and and stink up a stand.

599
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: Gotcha, So you'll wait until he shows on that on

600
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: that area.

601
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's usually enough stuff to do around the

602
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 2: farm that I'm I can keep busy and wait till

603
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: everything's right and in my favor, gotcha.

604
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: And then if you still have a tag as you

605
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: get towards that people maybe I'll ask like, is there

606
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: a favorite time or is it just when that weather

607
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: in that cold front with the right wind and the

608
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,719
Speaker 1: movements there is that. Really the doesn't matter as long

609
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: as those three things are there.

610
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think weather is huge. I think it plays

611
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 2: a huge part on a lot of things. And I

612
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 2: just try to stack everything I can in my favor,

613
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: whether it be the wind, the temperatures, there's so many

614
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: factors and all that helps you. And it gets the

615
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: deer up on their feet or too right, if it's colder,

616
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: they got to get up, they got to go feed.

617
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, I know it's kind of generic, but if

618
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: there's no movement, I don't want to go in there.

619
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,239
Speaker 1: No, that's it's fair. I mean sometimes we get we

620
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,239
Speaker 1: get accused of like oversimplifying, calling elk or what we did.

621
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: I'm I know you got to find them, you get close,

622
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: to get the wind right, and you hunt them, you know.

623
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: So No, I completely understand. It's like, you know, you

624
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: need to movement. You need the deer obviously, you need

625
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: the wind to be right, and then you need that

626
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: little weather that maybe gets them on their feet earlier,

627
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: gets them to the food, you know, before it gets

628
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: dark or whatever it may be with that weather. Is

629
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: there something you preferred, you like the very first twelve

630
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: hours of a cold friend, is it the first twenty

631
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: four or forty eight, like if there was like an

632
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: optimal time in your opinion, like, what part of that

633
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: weather change is it that's better than the rest.

634
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,239
Speaker 2: I've always said and rain, and I've talked about this

635
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: a little bit my neighbor, that first cold front and season,

636
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: when season starts, deer are going to be moving, and

637
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: it just gets them on their feet, lets them know that, hey,

638
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: it's getting close, you know. And so I've always had

639
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: great success even even just seeing a lot of deer

640
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: that first cold snap of the fall, that it just

641
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 2: it just seems to like trigger things and get things moving.

642
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: I really enjoy that. And you know, that goes back

643
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: to the big deer that I shot. It was October first,

644
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: and it dropped down to forty degrees that night, you know,

645
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: which is pretty moderate, you know, but it was colder

646
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,479
Speaker 2: than what it had been and the timber was just alive.

647
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: Does it matter if it's a when you say cold, friend,

648
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: are we talking like a ten degree drop? Are we

649
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,959
Speaker 1: talking like a twenty or thirty degree drop? Usually twenty degrees.

650
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: If you can get a twenty degree drop, you'll just

651
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: get that much more movement. The colder, the older differential

652
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: the better. There.

653
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, the bigger the delta te the better.

654
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: So now where you thinking not to keep harping on

655
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: this question, is like the first twenty four are going

656
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: to be better than like the fourth day of a

657
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: cold front or the third day of a cold front,

658
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: or are they all pretty equal once you just get

659
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: that that switch.

660
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: I like the first because it's it's kind of a

661
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 2: shock to them, you know. And but by the fourth

662
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: day they know that, hey, I'm gonna have to feed more,

663
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: which is still good, but that that first is it's

664
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: just they're like, hey, this is this is the kickoff, right,

665
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: we need to we need to get moving and yeah.

666
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so we talked you know the little little

667
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: bit that pre rut peak rut. If you if you

668
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: still have a tag, you're you're playing the same thing.

669
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: You need the movement or you just even with out

670
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: the movement now you're going to be out there because

671
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: it is so chaotic.

672
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: Yes, So I've always said when I was younger and

673
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: didn't have cameras everywhere and sell cameras, I loved I

674
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,479
Speaker 2: loved the first first week in November because you you

675
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: had deer running around. They were looking for the dough

676
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: that was in. And as I've as I've gotten older,

677
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: and I guess been around the deer heard longer. Now.

678
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: I say the rut is the best time if you

679
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: don't have a deer to hunt, because then you might

680
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: have the neighbors deer over on ya. I say that,

681
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: and we still I know what the neighbors have, but

682
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: we share pictures. But you know, some of these other

683
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: guys that are hunting eighty or one hundred and sixty acres.

684
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 2: If you don't have a good deer on camera, I'd

685
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: say the rest of the time you need to be

686
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 2: hunting because the neighbors deer may be chasing one of

687
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 2: your doughs back over on your farm and you've got

688
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 2: a nice mature deer in front of you.

689
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, last year when we were here, so the first

690
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: year we came, we were more of that pre rut,

691
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: maybe just getting towards the peak, you know, early first

692
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: week in November last year we came. I don't remember

693
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: that we were here on the fifteenth and went right

694
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: up until Thanksgiving maybe the twenty third. And I decided

695
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: I don't like the peak rut as much as the

696
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: pre rut because everything was either running by it at

697
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: thirty miles an hour or they had a dough pushed

698
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: up in some little nook her cranny and he just

699
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: wasn't going to leave it. And so you had a

700
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: lot of you know, small to medium bucks on their feet.

701
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: But those big bucks were all kind of you know,

702
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: in that lockdown phase, and we weren't seeing a lot

703
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: of movement last year, you know, right in the smack

704
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: out of that rut.

705
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that happens. The big deer will have run off

706
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: all the little deer and the little deer running around

707
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: looking for the next dough that the big deer's let go.

708
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's it's it can be very difficult. It

709
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: can be frustrating. I mean, there is no pattern during

710
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: the rut as you guys know, you know.

711
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: Do you lose some of your big deer off of

712
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: cameras for two or three days during the road or

713
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: maybe for weeks at a time. Yeah, they're just you

714
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: don't know where they're aut on your farm.

715
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: Or well you think they're not not moving, but they're moving.

716
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: It's just in a little you know, three hundred yard

717
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: area because they've got a dough, they're tending a dough

718
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: and they've I've seen a buck push a dough up

719
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 2: against a rock wall fence and keep her there all day,

720
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,239
Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, looks like I'm hunting all day

721
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 2: because he's eighty yards away and I'll wait on him.

722
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: So yuh yeah, It's it was crazy, you know, we

723
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: had a buck across the road here in front of

724
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 1: Andy's and all of a sudden you ended up way

725
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: over by your house. And it's just that's the kind

726
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: of movement you'll get, Like it just happenstance that Randy

727
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: owns both pieces of her has the ability to hunt

728
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: both pieces of property. But if that wasn't both of

729
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: your pieces, like you would have got a giant off

730
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: of your neighbor you know that's a mile away, Yes,

731
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: which is a good thing, but it's also a bad

732
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: thing if you have specific deer on your property, but

733
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: you may not have access to him because now they're

734
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, stuck on those all day.

735
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 2: Well, and then I think a lot of guys too,

736
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: I mean, everything happens so quick. Like we talked about before,

737
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: you can spend all year doing food plots, doing everything else,

738
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 2: and it comes down to a split ten seconds. You

739
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 2: got to make a decision, and cameras have helped with

740
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 2: that because you know the deer, the characteristics. I always

741
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 2: got a kicker off this G two, that's this deer.

742
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 2: I know he's five years old. But on deer that

743
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: you don't have any history with, and he's coming by,

744
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 2: like you say, running mock mock three by your stand,

745
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: You've got to make a quick decision whether you know, hey,

746
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: it's just an old deer or a young deer. And

747
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: that's probably the hardest thing I feel about the rut

748
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: is making decisions on deer that you don't have a

749
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: history with, you know.

750
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, in your opinion, Like if you have to put

751
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: a percentage to it, how many deer, how many of

752
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: you and you guys have, you know'll paint the picture.

753
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 1: You guys have what I would say, very well maintained

754
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: and managed farms. Right, you have the food, you have,

755
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: the fall food, you have, the spring food, you have

756
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: the betting. How many how many percent of your deer

757
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: do you lose during the rut? Do you think you know,

758
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: half your bucks leave or twenty percent of your bucks

759
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: leave or hardly none? Or do you guys get more

760
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 1: during the rut? Do you can you put a number

761
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: to that.

762
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: Or we have a lot of doze too on our

763
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 2: on our farms, and we've been trying to manage that

764
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: and bring that number down a little bit. But I

765
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 2: would I would venture to say that. You know, it's

766
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: it's hard to put a number on how many you

767
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: lose because a lot of time they're making big circles

768
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 2: they can be on like for instance, they could be

769
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 2: on Randy's farm in the morning and mid morning on

770
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,479
Speaker 2: our farm and they could just make a big loop

771
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 2: and they're just running. It's a big drawl in between us.

772
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 2: So it's it's it's hard to put a number. But yeah,

773
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 2: they're they're running all over crazy, So is.

774
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: It best just to assume they're around? Like is that

775
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: the mentality you have to go there? Like I'm going

776
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: to hunt this buck if I got the right wind,

777
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: there's always a chance during that peak rut that he's there.

778
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially during the peak rut when I mean it,

779
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: it's hard to it's hard to pattern or do anything

780
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 2: rational with them because they're just all over the place.

781
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 1: That well, that that's kind of and then going into

782
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: the last part would be late season, you guys go

783
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: all the way to the end of December, if you

784
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: for some reason still have your tag, which typically you

785
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: don't have your tag at that point. But what's the

786
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: hunting look like there? Is it back to food source?

787
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 1: As soon as that ruts over.

788
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: There, they're they're back on food. If you've got standing

789
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 2: soybeans or or corn, standing corn where you can go

790
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 2: in and bush all some of it off, they'll be

791
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: piling in like by the groves. I mean, they're food

792
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 2: is key. The those bucks are trying to put weight

793
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 2: back on. And then those dose too. They've been being

794
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: chased around everywhere that they're looking for food, and everybody's

795
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 2: coming back into the food. It's so key.

796
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: Looking for a big egg. And then something that is

797
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: legal in Kansas is supplemental feeding. You know, whether it's

798
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: protein feeders or corns. You know, I call them the

799
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: corn spinners, whatever they are. You guys, you know do

800
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: some of that supplemental feeding. How do you you know

801
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: what's your opinion? I know you said back in the

802
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: day you didn't do very much of it at all,

803
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: versus like where it is the day. Maybe I'm gonna

804
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn this conversation not necessarily whether it's good

805
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: or bad, But how do you think it affects the deer?

806
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: Is is it ultimately good? Is it maybe you know,

807
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: are there some negatives? Or is it maybe just in

808
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: that neutral? But it does make sure that the deer

809
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: going to the winter healthier. Like what's your opinion on this?

810
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: You know, feeding, well, you know it's it's kind of

811
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 2: a double sword because you have say, say you have

812
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: a farm and all your neighbors are feeding. If you

813
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: aren't feeding, your deer numbers are going to be significantly reduced.

814
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: Because I mean, it's like going to a buffet or

815
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: you know, going to having to order one burger at

816
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 2: a time. It's you're gonna have to do it just

817
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 2: to maybe you know, keep up and have a whole

818
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 2: block of guys doing it kind of keeps everything together.

819
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: I use it more as a supplemental. I don't necessarily

820
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 2: hunt over it because that's just not what I enjoy doing.

821
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: You know, I'd rather I'd rather go into the timber.

822
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 2: And but I also think it's beneficial for the deer

823
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: herd as a whole. I know, as far as it's

824
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 2: not just corn, we're putting out minerals, proteins, trying to

825
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: make the deer healthier, you know. So it's I think

826
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 2: overall it's a positive. At first, I was hesitant to

827
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 2: do it, but I think overall to positive. I've seen

828
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 2: our deer become healthier. But yeah, it's just my take

829
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 2: on it. I think it's it's it's supplemental right.

830
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: You guys still have the food plots, you guys still

831
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: have the good agg you still have the great underbrush.

832
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: You know, these deer can browse all day long. That's

833
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: just more of a supplement, you know, to add that

834
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: back into their diet and kind of boost it. So

835
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: there's still everything else they need here. They would survive

836
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: without it, but it is making them healthier, you know,

837
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 1: getting into the winter.

838
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 2: Right because I'm in the belief that I don't think

839
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 2: big deer like coming to feeders. So that's that's just

840
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 2: my belief. And I'll hunt those deer on other parts

841
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: of my farm and just supplemental feed the doze and

842
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: the younger deer. You know.

843
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've hunted. I mean we've hunted around them, you know,

844
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: on the super cold mornings where I'm not in the stand.

845
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: You know, you're in the red necks, you're going to

846
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: freeze to death. And yeah, the dose may come in,

847
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: the fawns may come in, but those bucks are like

848
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: scent checking that two hundred yards off, you know, just

849
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: seeing if there's anything there. And then they'll you know,

850
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: you'll catch a glimpse of them cruising, but they're very

851
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: reluctant to ever come into that thing.

852
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: But they'll they'll feed all day out in a food plot.

853
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 2: That's that's what. Uh. You know, Randy really got me

854
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: involved with the food plots, you know, before I dabbled

855
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 2: in it. And here's some you know, we were planting

856
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: beans that year. Our farmer was plating beans. I'd try

857
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: to have clover in there and have it for a

858
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 2: couple three years and just trying to diversify the food.

859
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 2: But with Randy, we've taken it up a notch or

860
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: too far as the food plot programs and and you know,

861
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 2: providing more food for the deer throughout the whole year.

862
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I got I got it right around with

863
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: them there a couple of days ago, and we spread

864
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: your your one, your honey hoole with you know, I

865
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: think we killed the winter wheat and all the broad

866
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: leaves and so yeah, It's I love that part of it,

867
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: Like you are doing work and the work results, and

868
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: you know that clover that I'm sure within what a

869
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: couple of weeks that clover will be doing better and

870
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: you get a good rain and that clover is going

871
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: to fill that whole entire food plot.

872
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, we killed that winter wheat and put down some

873
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 2: fertilizer for that white clover and uh should be yeah,

874
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: say a couple three weeks. It should expecting rain this week,

875
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: so it should really pop up and uh rain. And

876
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 2: I've always said, you know, this is what's fun, is

877
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 2: doing all the food plots and the prepping and you know,

878
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 2: getting everything ready, and the icing on the cake is

879
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 2: you know, having big deer there and then the ability

880
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 2: to harvest me too.

881
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: One other quick question on the food plots. You own

882
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,479
Speaker 1: the you know, you and your your brother and sister

883
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: owned the farm, right, and but you're kind of at

884
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 1: the mercy of the farmer, right your crop your agfields

885
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: are does that ever end your like darn it. I

886
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: should have just planted those myself this year, because this

887
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: year you got stuck with milo, right, which is basically

888
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: not going to be to your benefit.

889
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 2: Hunt. I've been doing a little research. I think Milo

890
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 2: has has a little like a two week window where

891
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: it's very very palatable. And I've seen this, you know,

892
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 2: neighbor raising Milo before. So it just makes it that

893
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 2: much critical that our other food plots are are doing

894
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: well enough to sustain and provide as long as they can.

895
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: So will that make your your the honey holes? What

896
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: maybe an acre maybe a little over an acre of

897
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: a couple of acres? Yeah, so as the honey hole,

898
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: will that make do you feel that that'll be that

899
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: much better because that's going to be maybe more of

900
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: an isolated, concentrated food source versus the you know, the

901
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: your other one hundred acres of yeah, being maybe not

902
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 1: as palatable.

903
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think it will help. It'll I

904
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: think it'll definitely pick up the traffic in there because,

905
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: like I say, deer eat Milo. But it's it's definitely

906
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 2: not the one hundred acres of soybeans we usually have

907
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 2: in there yet or.

908
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: A fall a good fall source. Right, so it's going

909
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: to be palatable when of prouts, which is going to

910
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: be what may June.

911
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 2: When, Yeah, it should be trying to think when that

912
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 2: Milo he's he's already got it in the field, so

913
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 2: it'll start sprouting in the next probably rain to get

914
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 2: some rain.

915
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: So one other thing we while we're talking about food

916
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: management is water. You guys are coming in two or

917
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: three year drought pretty some of your drought. Yeah, this year,

918
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 1: there's water in these creeks that we've never seen water

919
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 1: in before, that haven't flowed for years. Do you feel

920
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: it that water? Well, I mean, the deer have always

921
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: had water, but does that water It's greener here than

922
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. Is that gonna, you know, add on

923
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: five ten percent to the deer or is it just

924
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: going to be good overall?

925
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 2: I think I think that will help. It's getting us

926
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 2: into these uh late spring early early summer months. If

927
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 2: we can keep the water flowing in the creeks, I

928
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: think that will help us too with like the you know,

929
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 2: not losing deer, you know that like we have in

930
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 2: the past. You know.

931
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, uh one thing we always love the It

932
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: doesn't make the hunter, but it makes the hunt, you know,

933
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: hunting easier. Let's just go into like specific white to

934
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 1: hunting gear. You know, we you know we hunt elk,

935
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: you hunt you know, my bow set up, my broadheads

936
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: are picked four elk and this or that so white

937
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: to hunting specific gear, like what's your archery equipment look like?

938
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: Are you using the Spanna bulls? You're shooting a lighter

939
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 1: set up? Are you still going heavy?

940
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 2: You know, I've I've always as a younger guy, I

941
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 2: chased speed years ago, and I still like a decent

942
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: speed bow, and so my my setup is pretty light.

943
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 2: I think I think my arrow and broadheads way around

944
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 2: the three hundred and eighty grain grain.

945
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: They're light, so ultra light for the western guy.

946
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 2: Yees, yeah, they're they're they're super light, and I draw

947
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: back sixty three pounds. But I've always been a shot

948
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: placement guy, like and I'd rather not have to judge

949
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 2: distance too much. Now then you know, you know, I'm

950
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: older and I've got pretty much my stand sites nailed down.

951
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 2: I could probably go hunting without a range finder, but

952
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 2: I always like taking my rangefinder range finding a couple

953
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 2: three trees areas around, so when the heat of the

954
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: moment something came by, I didn't have to judge distance

955
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 2: too much because it was pretty flat shooting bow shooting

956
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: over three hundred feet per second with with the way

957
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 2: you're set up and I do shoot mechanical broadheads. The

958
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: deer I shot this last year was just an inch

959
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 2: and a half mechanical broadhead. Don't have any tuning issues

960
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 2: with it that a way, and it's it's worked, you know,

961
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 2: It's just worked for me in the past, and so

962
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: I'm one of these guys. If if it's working for me,

963
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: I don't really want to change it. You know.

964
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: No, that's you know, you're not trying to get through

965
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: an elk, you know, broadsider. You know, if you make

966
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: a misshapp and you hit a bone, so I mean,

967
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: white tail. I've always been a solid guy, but you

968
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: always wonder, like, hey, you know you you know, it

969
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: is Kansas. It's windier than I've ever you know, so

970
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: it's like, man, it might be nice to shoot a

971
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: little expandable, maybe get a little less you know, head

972
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: drift and you know all of that. But yeah, yeah,

973
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: I've had great success with the solid iron wheels here,

974
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: but you know, it's always like, man, it would be

975
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 1: nice to have an expandable for for these things.

976
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the past, I actually even shot an inch

977
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:05,439
Speaker 2: and three quarter mechanical broad and it's shot. Placement is key,

978
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 2: you know, the big deer I shot. I watched it

979
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 2: fall over. The deer this last year, I hunt thick

980
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 2: enough brush. I didn't get to see him fall over,

981
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 2: but he went fifteen yards. So shot placement is key

982
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 2: and if you're able to put it where you want to,

983
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 2: and I won't if anything's questionable, I won't take the shot.

984
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: That's just me. I'm pretty cautious and pretty safe guy.

985
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: That like.

986
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 2: Going back to that one deer I shot, I waited.

987
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: I waited till he turned broadside. It was thirteen minutes,

988
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: so it was a loan thirteen minutes, but it was

989
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 2: it was a solid thirteen minutes looking at my watch.

990
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 2: So I just think you need to be patient and

991
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 2: not rush it because you owe the animal that.

992
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: So I was going to go back. You should still

993
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: bring a range finder in the stand. I know you

994
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: do in case you have to stand on your tree

995
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: stand seat and shoot out the back where you've never

996
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: even thought about shooting before.

997
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 2: That happened the year before last. That was that was

998
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:08,720
Speaker 2: a mishap that the first shot the deer was close

999
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: enough that my top came actually hit my bow holder

1000
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: and so it forced my arrow to shoot underneath to him,

1001
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 2: and I was actually going to let him let him go.

1002
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, it's not meant to be, you know.

1003
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 2: And then I looked and he was still standing there,

1004
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: and I saw him dripping blood, and I had actually

1005
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 2: just grazed his belly, and I saw that I need

1006
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 2: to do the right thing and finish him off. So

1007
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 2: I actually did some things I probably wasn't supposed to do.

1008
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 2: I stood on my seat and shot through a fork

1009
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 2: through the back of the tree.

1010
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: So, but the funniest thing was is I got to

1011
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: hunt that stand that night or the next day or something.

1012
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: And I'm not, you know, still new with this whole

1013
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: tree stand thing. It takes me a little bit to

1014
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 1: get comfortable. And I get up this thing and the

1015
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: ladder you have. I'm gonna explain this story. So his

1016
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: steps to get on this standard these circle steps, which

1017
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: basically you have to you have to stand in the

1018
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: you have to put your toe against the tree, so

1019
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: you've got about an inch that you're hanging on to. Yeah,

1020
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 1: and you so, first of all, I'm not real comfortableetting

1021
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: up there. Then when you get to the stand, you

1022
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,919
Speaker 1: realize that the thing's what fifteen degree angle into the tree.

1023
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 2: It's leaning back. It's a comfortable stand of city and

1024
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 2: it's leaning back a little way.

1025
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: So I get up and they're not being super comfortable,

1026
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: and I'm like, and then he tells me, like, when

1027
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: you get up there, stand in the seat and look

1028
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: through the back fork where I shot, and I'm like,

1029
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not moving. I don't even know how I'm

1030
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: gonna shoot a deer out of this. But it was funny.

1031
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: I think you told us. The reasoning was you made

1032
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,919
Speaker 1: it so sketchy that your brother wouldn't want to hunt

1033
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: your best.

1034
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, Brett, Yeah no, And it's one of those

1035
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: where you know we do we do run safety lines,

1036
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean it. It is one of those

1037
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 2: deals where I probably need to reevaluate that that's that's

1038
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 2: the tree that that stand needs to be in and

1039
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 2: just not straight. It's just not straight. So but they

1040
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 2: make some stands now that you can level up and

1041
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 2: do stuff. And that's probably something I'll probably end up

1042
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 2: doing this year, is getting a bit are standing there.

1043
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: But because that morning, my very first day in the stand,

1044
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: I had a hunted out of a millennium that had

1045
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: like some side rails. Well, this is just a little

1046
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 1: teeny foam seat with no side rails and you're leaning

1047
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: like wanting to lean past the tree, and I'm like, ah,

1048
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: it wasn't real comfortable. But that's a great segue into

1049
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: my next question. Would you prefer to be in a

1050
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: tree stand or a ground blind.

1051
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 2: Tree stand every day of the week. I I've tried

1052
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 2: hunting out of a blind and it just seems like

1053
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: there's too many, too many spots you can't see blind spots,

1054
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:38,720
Speaker 2: and I you know, if you have the right right gear,

1055
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 2: now you can stay out there in some pretty harsh elements.

1056
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 2: And I really, I really enjoyed. I just think you

1057
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: see more, You watch the birds, the squirrels more. And now,

1058
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, there's some days I'd rather be

1059
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 2: in a vine when it's twenty three and the winds

1060
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 2: blowing thirty you know.

1061
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, I'm I'm with you. I I you know,

1062
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: some of Randy's good sets are a redneck or a

1063
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 1: ground blow, an elevated ground blind, and I feel like, yeah,

1064
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: I'm just everything's gotta be perfect. A deer's got to

1065
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: stand in this like five six foot window, where when

1066
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: I'm in a tree stand, I can shoot three hundred

1067
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: and thirty degrees around the tree, and I feel like

1068
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get picked off as easy. They're not

1069
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: looking at me. I feel like sometimes those blinds, they

1070
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: know they're there, and you get those doughs bob in

1071
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: their head trying to see if they'll catch and move,

1072
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: and you're like they know something. You know, You're just

1073
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: hoping that everything goes right.

1074
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 2: Well and with my luck, I mean even hunting out

1075
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 2: of the tree, I my top cam still hit a

1076
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 2: little bow holder that's like sticking out three inches from

1077
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: the tree. So who knows what I would hit? Shoot blind?

1078
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: The buck I killed this year trying to shoot out

1079
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: the front window of a redneck because he was out

1080
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: front but really close, like twelve thirteen yards. My stabilize,

1081
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: you know, being a Western guy, I shouldn't even have

1082
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 1: a stabilizer, but I just put my bow together when

1083
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: I got here, lift my bow up the stable like

1084
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: a tunk right off the front. Thankfully was so locked

1085
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: in on that dough he didn't care. But just stuff

1086
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: like that, like the blind, Like guess what if I

1087
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 1: wasn't the blind, my stabilizer would have been just fine. Yeah,

1088
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: but uh so closing you kind of hit it on

1089
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: hinted to that, like there's good stuff out there, Like

1090
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: are you after anything specific? You just want to be

1091
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 1: quiet and warm, comfortable, Like what do you what are

1092
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: you looking at when you put you when you decide

1093
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: what you're gonna wear to get through a hunt?

1094
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I run marinal Bas layers and then I layer accordingly.

1095
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 2: I mean, so much has changed in the last twenty

1096
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,439
Speaker 2: twenty five years since I started bow hunting far as

1097
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 2: you know. It's like, man to stay warm, you used

1098
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 2: to have to look like the Michelin man. You'd be

1099
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 2: going through the woods. If you fell down, you wouldn't

1100
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,919
Speaker 2: be able to get up type of deal. Now then

1101
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 2: all this stuff you can you can layer up and

1102
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 2: and really not be bulky or anything at all, pretty comfortable.

1103
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: And so I'll run marinal Bas layers and then alternate

1104
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 2: some tops and bottoms. You know, everything's you know, insulated

1105
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 2: now and it's it's really changed.

1106
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. So you just want to be quiet, Yeah, you're quiet? Deal.

1107
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And to me, that's the greatest enjoyment out of

1108
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 2: out of bow hunting probably is being close enough to

1109
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 2: a mature deer and him not ever knowing you're there,

1110
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 2: you know, So that's to me, that's that's pretty pretty

1111
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 2: neat task.

1112
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and and I you won't insult me on

1113
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: this question. I want your your honest answer. I know

1114
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: you're you know you're you're paying a lot of attention

1115
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: to patterning deer and where you think they are calling

1116
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: in decoys, like will you're on a call? If so,

1117
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: which one and how often and when? And then will

1118
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,240
Speaker 1: you ever use a decoy or you're just not wanting

1119
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: to kind of what's your your take there?

1120
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 2: A lot of that depends on the situation. Like I

1121
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,919
Speaker 2: if I'm after a particular deer and I know he's

1122
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 2: in the area, I don't want him to know that

1123
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 2: I'm there, so I'll be quiet. Now, say it's during

1124
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 2: the rut and I don't have a mature deer on

1125
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 2: camera that I that I want to hunt, that's when

1126
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 2: i'll If nothing's around, I'll I'll do the rattling sequence

1127
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 2: a couple of grunts, and I want to see what's

1128
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 2: in the area, because I don't think I have anything

1129
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 2: that's mature enough to shoot, say, so I'm gonna try

1130
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 2: to pull something from somewhere else to see, Hey, maybe

1131
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 2: maybe maybe they've got a deer that's bigger, you know.

1132
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's when I tend to call, if you know,

1133
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: first in the morning there's good movement or you keep quiet,

1134
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: but it's when all right, I've been on the stand

1135
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: for thirty minutes an hour and nothing's going on, you know,

1136
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: crank up the calls a little bit. Or if you

1137
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: do see a buck passing by outside of shooting range,

1138
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: like it may be a last ditch effort. But I

1139
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: don't have the luxury you do. Like maybe if I

1140
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: knew I can go hunting every day or go back

1141
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: out like maybe, like you said, I wouldn't be as

1142
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: is apt to call. I would just stay quiet, like

1143
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: he'll eventually come by, because if I spook him out

1144
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: of that tree and he picks me off, now I've.

1145
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 2: Just screwed this place up. Maybe yeah, And you know

1146
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 2: there's there's a lot. I mean, i've called in deer before.

1147
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 2: I've called in a deer with that. It's on my

1148
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 2: wall with the dope bleat and a buck grunt. And

1149
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 2: I didn't have any pictures of him before. It was

1150
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 2: November tenth years ago, you know, and it's he was

1151
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 2: just shy one seventy. I mean, it was a great

1152
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 2: deer and called him in. It worked, there's no doubt.

1153
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 2: And you know, if you're hunting all day and it's

1154
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 2: boring to the middle of day, it's something to pass

1155
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 2: the time by, right, you might might get something in

1156
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 2: and you can learn, say it's only a three and

1157
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 2: a half year old, but you can learn how he

1158
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 2: reacts and where he's coming from, and it might not

1159
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 2: help you out down the road.

1160
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: I mean, we uh in that pre run year, I

1161
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: think it was May or November fifth or sixth, when

1162
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: we had got here and hunted and we hit the

1163
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: rattle bag out here behind Randy's and three bucks came

1164
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: flying in, and so it's like it gave you an opportunity. Now,

1165
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: maybe would a mature buck come, I don't know, but

1166
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: those three bucks that were more of that you know,

1167
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: three and a half year age came, you know, kind

1168
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: of screaming in, and you know, ultimately a big buck

1169
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: did come in an hour later. So did you hear that?

1170
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 1: Was he gonna come to that location? Anyways? But when

1171
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: one of eels is cooking, like what do you have

1172
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: to lose? It's a natural sound. Try it. But you

1173
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: know we're where we're grunting it bucks out of eight

1174
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 1: hundred yards away where you have the chance to come back.

1175
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: Like you're like, I'm still not going to blow on it,

1176
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: Like he'll eventually come by here and make a mistake.

1177
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it all depends on situation, right, Like it just

1178
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 2: you don't want to Like, if you're you're hunting a

1179
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 2: particular deer and you know he's gonna come by that tree,

1180
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,919
Speaker 2: I would probably tend to be quiet. But if it's

1181
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 2: middle of the rut and you're looking for some action

1182
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 2: by all means, dear deer vocal, you know they'll they'll

1183
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 2: they'll respond and check things out.

1184
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: Got you all right, We're gonna we're gonna wrap this up.

1185
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: But I want you to give us, like in your opinion, Like,

1186
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 1: what's one mistake that white to hunters make every year

1187
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: that if they avoided, they'd find more success? You know

1188
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: that maybe something that's you know, taken as is the

1189
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: right thing to do, or you know, maybe mistakes that

1190
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: people made or maybe you made earlier on and you're

1191
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: you're hunting that you kind of cleaned up.

1192
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, put me on spot. But I think I

1193
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 2: know my answer on that one is going to be

1194
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 2: people hunting when the the the everything's not perfect or

1195
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 2: I don't want to say perfect, but not in their favor.

1196
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 2: I mean you you may be doing more harm. Like

1197
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 2: I used to have to take a week off when

1198
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 2: I didn't live live here. I would have to take

1199
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 2: a week off and come down and hunt. Well, I thought, man,

1200
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 2: I need to be in the tree stand every wake

1201
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 2: and minute. Well, there's sometimes you're doing more harm than

1202
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,240
Speaker 2: good if you're in the tree stand, if the wind's

1203
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 2: not right, if if you're going in at the wrong

1204
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 2: time and bumping stuff. I think you sometimes you're you're

1205
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 2: better off, say the wind's not right for the stand

1206
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,919
Speaker 2: where you you're hunting a particular deer and you don't

1207
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 2: have another stand to go to, You're better off sleeping

1208
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 2: in that morning and going that night.

1209
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, waiting for the wind to change it. I can't

1210
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 1: agree enough, Like it's your answer, but you know we're

1211
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: the same boat. We get one week and so you know,

1212
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm I'm speaking for Randy, but I feel

1213
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: like sometimes he feels pressure, like he's got to have

1214
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: us in a stand morning and night, and sometimes like

1215
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 1: I think we're risking it or you know, and that's

1216
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: the case. Like if you had a target deer and

1217
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: they're a big deer he wanted to kill, or one

1218
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: of you guys or a buddy, it's like, man, we

1219
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: could be really hurting this area, you know, but we

1220
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: needed to be there. And so yeah, I think if

1221
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: you're especially if you're targeting like a specific deer, it

1222
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: may just be best to stay out until you get

1223
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: the right win.

1224
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's key too. Is I think to

1225
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,760
Speaker 2: maybe try to avoid that is maybe have some stands

1226
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 2: set up for all the different win scenarios, you know,

1227
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 2: access to those stands. But I think that's probably one

1228
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 2: of the bigger mistakes that a lot of guys make, is, Hey,

1229
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 2: I'm here. I need to be I need to be

1230
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 2: doing this. I need to be in the stand. I'm

1231
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 2: not going to kill him from the couch.

1232
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1233
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 2: Well that's true. But you're not gonna kill him if

1234
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 2: the wind's wrong either. Yeah.

1235
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: Well, this conversation brought up one more question I wanted

1236
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: to ask you, in your opinion on a big mature deer,

1237
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: do you have to give him any wind or will

1238
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: he eventually make a mistake and go against the wind

1239
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: when he like comes from betting defeating you know what

1240
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: I mean.

1241
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I think your opportunity is better if if

1242
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 2: he thinks the wins in his favor and it's say

1243
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 2: five to ten degrees out of his favorite.

1244
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: So you're you're hunting a pretty I don't want to

1245
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: say questionable whin because you just said you're pretty risk adverse.

1246
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: You don't want to screw it up. But you're gonna wait,

1247
00:57:58,120 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: You're gonna go out there and like, all right, it

1248
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: is a true east, and I think he's gonna come

1249
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: from you know, from the south, so you know, or

1250
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: even less, like I'm gonna give him as much wind

1251
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: as he thinks he needs, but he's not gonna catch

1252
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: me because I'm gonna kill him before he catches me.

1253
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 2: Before he gets to my wind coming, I'm gonna kill him.

1254
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 2: And and they're apt to move more if they think

1255
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 2: the wind's in their favor. And you you just tricked

1256
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 2: them by having your tree in the or you're staying

1257
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 2: in the right tree because we kind of going back

1258
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 2: to that tree stand where you're kind of feels like

1259
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 2: you're laying in a lazy boy tilting back that that's

1260
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 2: the tree it needs to be in I mean there's.

1261
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: If you're one more tree down, they'd catch it before

1262
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: he can shoot.

1263
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's and grain, Like I say, I'll be fixing

1264
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 2: that that tree stand, but it's it's in the location

1265
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 2: it needs to be in. So and it's just details

1266
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 2: like that that you know, do you pay attention to

1267
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 2: over the years. You know when I was younger, when

1268
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 2: I was twenty five, I wouldn't have been paying that

1269
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 2: close attention to things. You learn things as you get older,

1270
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 2: or you should be and and you realize like, hey,

1271
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 2: I need to pay more attention to this. This is

1272
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 2: what's happening. You have more experience, and it's I think

1273
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 2: they just move better when they think the winds in

1274
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 2: their favor. But you you know it's you.

1275
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: Got Yeah, so you're your route in safe, Your tree

1276
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: stands safe to a certain degree. But you better not

1277
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: let him get if you're gonna kill him, you better

1278
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: not let him get past a certain area. And that

1279
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: is tough because that same tree be hunted out of.

1280
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: I did have some dose come out first. I'm like, ah,

1281
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: now they've got me. But if it was a buck,

1282
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Speaker 1: I could have killed them. So you're hoping like they

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Speaker 1: get out of the field, get out of my way,

1284
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Speaker 1: and then you know, if it was a buck, you'd

1285
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: had to shoot him before they got there. So you

1286
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: are letting little bucks into your wind cone, your but

1287
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: you're kind of crossing your fingers that you kill the

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Speaker 1: big guy before he got through there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, all right.

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Speaker 1: Well, I really appreciate having you on here, Brock. It's

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Speaker 1: a great conversation. Like I said, I really enjoy talking

1292
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Speaker 1: hunting with you. It's you know, you're a great you know,

1293
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: land manager. You guys got some giant bucks around here,

1294
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: a great turkey, great turkey hunting, and so I tip

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00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: my hat to everything you guys are doing for the

1296
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Speaker 1: white tailed deer here in Kansas, and like I say, uh,

1297
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Speaker 1: a wealth of knowledge. You guys won't be able to

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Speaker 1: go check him out on social media to check out

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Speaker 1: all of his buck ex for his turkeys and and

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Speaker 1: what he's got going on. But you're just gonna have

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Speaker 1: to trust me on this one that the guy, uh,

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Speaker 1: he knows what he's doing in the white toe wood.

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Speaker 1: So I really appreciate having you on, Brock.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. Jason enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, take care of Thanks