Speaker 1: Forever. Look man, oh, I see you? Why why and
Speaker 1: look over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness? And
Speaker 1: here's the thing. But right before we hopped on the mic,
Speaker 1: me and the guest were discussing how it was the
Speaker 1: hottest day ever, and I realized that me and the
Speaker 1: guests do something similar. You guys spread open in front
Speaker 1: of a we spread open in front of fans. Can
Speaker 1: I tell you all a new phenomenon that's been happening
Speaker 1: to me. Your whole gets hot? Well, I am just
Speaker 1: generally hot in my apartment. And I was describing it
Speaker 1: like you know how like cats and dogs like like
Speaker 1: sort of absent mindedly will do something to cool themselves off,
Speaker 1: like lick themselves. Going to go in a trady area.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll just like come to and I'll be just
Speaker 1: like standing over my air conditioning with like my butt
Speaker 1: hole on it. I'm anally fixed it. I think, uh,
Speaker 1: why I why do Why do I want to cool
Speaker 1: my hole down so bad? I think I think it
Speaker 1: probably feels well, I'm just gonna go out on a
Speaker 1: limb and say, why am I doing that? It's probably
Speaker 1: a moist part of your body and for you to
Speaker 1: get the air on it feels really nice because it
Speaker 1: because then it just it engages the you know, the
Speaker 1: whatever moisture is going on down the actually famously the
Speaker 1: the rectal area, that whole what we call the world
Speaker 1: um is actually called them. It's from the Greek word. Now,
Speaker 1: I think we should just bring the reader up to
Speaker 1: speed on what your world means. Now, Matt, I vividly
Speaker 1: remember this moment. We were traveling with Paparole at our
Speaker 1: sketch group back in the day. We were in Many
Speaker 1: in Charleston. No, we were in uh, we were in Durham, Raleigh,
Speaker 1: somewhere in that air, Yes, Chapel Hill. Um. Did I
Speaker 1: hook up with someone? No, But we got to our
Speaker 1: hotel room and then you were anally fixated or you
Speaker 1: were just you were doing a lot with your ass
Speaker 1: that day. You were like poking it out, just like
Speaker 1: just like really shaking your ass in front of I was.
Speaker 1: And we got to our hotel room and then you
Speaker 1: had just gotten on this bit about calling about just
Speaker 1: about looking into someone's eyes. It would be my eyes
Speaker 1: or studies. You'd be you'd be like, let me show
Speaker 1: you my world. Yeah, it's called your world. So the
Speaker 1: area of your tate butt hole and butt and and
Speaker 1: lower lower balls. That's your world and when you let
Speaker 1: someone into your world, that's how you say that. So
Speaker 1: instead of using the word believe is sorry but wrecked
Speaker 1: them or a little hole, you can say you let
Speaker 1: them into your world, but you showed them the world.
Speaker 1: You remember your performance though, like like this is truly
Speaker 1: it was so grounded and I really commend you. Um,
Speaker 1: you would just you would look into someone's eyes, you
Speaker 1: lock into their eyes and say like it was the
Speaker 1: most vulnerable thing. Absolutely, I kind of bee vulnerable performer. Yes,
Speaker 1: and you and you would say I'm ready to show
Speaker 1: you my world. It was, but it was like cook
Speaker 1: head it. It was like you were like you would
Speaker 1: never You've never done this. You're clearly a little scared.
Speaker 1: There's a little there's a little bit of fear. You'd
Speaker 1: be like, I'm ready to show you world. Yes, give
Speaker 1: me the space to do this emotionally, Okay, I'm ready
Speaker 1: to show you my world. This is a weird note,
Speaker 1: but it was more feminine. I'm ready to show you
Speaker 1: in my world. That was it. And then you would
Speaker 1: and then you would spread, you would turn around and
Speaker 1: then just like fucking undulate your ass in front of
Speaker 1: someone's face. And it was truly the funniest thing in
Speaker 1: the world. That was my early twenties. You guys, I
Speaker 1: mean I was much more asked forward now not so much,
Speaker 1: while now you're asked in front of the air conditioner exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's really it's it's a thing about cooling
Speaker 1: down versus you know, being sexual. You are very much
Speaker 1: you're very annally fixated. Yes, well, I just dealt with
Speaker 1: a hemorrhoids rom both tamoroid, right, So now is that
Speaker 1: dealt with? It's dealt with. And you know what, I
Speaker 1: really think my team of experts who really pointed me
Speaker 1: to preparation age and lansing options speaking of your but yeah,
Speaker 1: I I what our guests just acted like. He was revolted.
Speaker 1: I think he was revolted in my word choice with
Speaker 1: the word lansing, which is my word of the summer lance.
Speaker 1: I am now on record on this podcast as saying
Speaker 1: that I once had assist on my butt hole, lanced
Speaker 1: and trained. And I think Patty Harrison would I think
Speaker 1: in her her concert storyline when she described Ellen Degenerous
Speaker 1: lansing with her with her rhino horn, penis. It's a
Speaker 1: way to say speared. It's a way to say spirit
Speaker 1: or you know, impale or something that's a fun che
Speaker 1: way of saying it. Speaking of your butt hole, how
Speaker 1: was your weekend? Maybe my weekend? It was okay? Here, yeah,
Speaker 1: and um it was really complicated. Why was the complicated?
Speaker 1: Sounds like a really lovely time. Uh wasn't as much
Speaker 1: anal stuff as as you would think, as you were hoping.
Speaker 1: I was actually was kind of relieved. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: thank God. Honestly, sometimes it's a really Sometimes when anal
Speaker 1: sex is off the table, it's really it's actually really
Speaker 1: culture number six. Sometimes when anal sexes off the table,
Speaker 1: it's a relief because it's so much to deal with.
Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you, my hemorrhoid flared up, Oh God,
Speaker 1: because of the anal sex. No, I'm still I still
Speaker 1: want to live in this space of nothing going on
Speaker 1: down there, nothing alarming going on down there for a
Speaker 1: little bit, and then put myself out there with my world,
Speaker 1: with my blame us all of it. Listen, God, God,
Speaker 1: blame is you, God blame us our guests. Who I
Speaker 1: think is an anal person? I think it's anal Purnis,
Speaker 1: and I think that that can be attributed too many things,
Speaker 1: can I tell you? Our guest is I think and
Speaker 1: I truly understand the hyperbole in this statement. But what
Speaker 1: am I think makes me laugh without feel anytime I
Speaker 1: see him. I love this person very, very just like
Speaker 1: pure comedic energy here, comedic energy, chaos at such an
Speaker 1: intellectual level. I love himself. He makes me laugh every
Speaker 1: single time I saw this person perform at the Bellhouse, um,
Speaker 1: like maybe like a week week and a half ago
Speaker 1: for a gay show for all people. It was singular.
Speaker 1: It was like you never seen anyone else do this.
Speaker 1: He's so fucking funny. Yeah, I loved it. And talented, talented,
Speaker 1: illustrated kindly, such a talented illustrator, such a talented vocalist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god. He has a lot of things that
Speaker 1: you can see around town, one of which is Get
Speaker 1: Real co hosted with Joe Castle with Joe Castle Baker,
Speaker 1: friend of the Pod, even another Judy even. Um. He
Speaker 1: was just at this year's Cluster Clusterfest with the Variety.
Speaker 1: Absolutely up next, up next. That's what they say when
Speaker 1: you are quite literally up next in terms of um
Speaker 1: being embraced by the mainstream by America, by America. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you get up, you can probably just you can
Speaker 1: probably say this person will probably have a sketch show
Speaker 1: on comedy soun. Absolutely, you can probably say that. You
Speaker 1: can probably say that. He hosts the fabulous podcast So
Speaker 1: Fascinating with Ruby Ma Collister, another friend of the pot
Speaker 1: The Friend of the pot Um. He just put up
Speaker 1: his wonderful show with Sam Taggert, another front of the
Speaker 1: pod Um and also coming soon in the future, an
Speaker 1: announcement about an upcoming solo show in September. In September,
Speaker 1: so stay tuned for that. I am very excited to
Speaker 1: have this person here because it's been a long time coming,
Speaker 1: actually time coming. We've wanted him to be on the
Speaker 1: show for a very long time. So please read or
Speaker 1: welcome into your ears Kevin Spacey. Kevin, go ahead. So
Speaker 1: I've been at acquitted Kevin Spacey. So great to have you.
Speaker 1: All right, No, just kidding, it's a way stupid, It's
Speaker 1: max stupid. Your phone that was it was just like
Speaker 1: madly because like I was like, okay, do I what
Speaker 1: do I take? I have so much do I want
Speaker 1: to respond to really quickly? Yeah? Okay, sure, I really
Speaker 1: really think this is okay, fine, okay, start somewhere. Okay.
Speaker 1: First of all, you called me a vocalist, which is
Speaker 1: absolutely because the way you're using your voice, because of
Speaker 1: the way that which I understand what you're going for there.
Speaker 1: But it immediately brought me back to this experience of
Speaker 1: Bone and I had on Fire Island a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, in which I genuinely attempted to sing along
Speaker 1: with him and loved it. It was so the Wind,
Speaker 1: which okay, which as a child was like, okay, mate,
Speaker 1: you guys know me, like, I'm obviously not like a
Speaker 1: Disney as pitch, but I was kind of a Disney
Speaker 1: bitch as a baby, and specifically, like Pocahana's Close with
Speaker 1: the Wind was my jam my dad recorded me singing it.
Speaker 1: There was this personal history this song had so much,
Speaker 1: which is the reason that I even bothered to sing
Speaker 1: it with you, because otherwise you'd be like, I'm going
Speaker 1: to go over here while you sing. I really do fantastic,
Speaker 1: fantastic song. Also, one of my favorite things was that
Speaker 1: the Kid's Choice Awards back in the day when that
Speaker 1: song came out, Whoppy Goldberg made some joke off the
Speaker 1: shoulder off the cuffs, sorry about something about the close
Speaker 1: of my wind, and then she made like a and
Speaker 1: it made me be like, Okay, this woman is brilliant.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, I was like, this woman is so
Speaker 1: entire career. It's a culturally you guys seen Theodore Rex
Speaker 1: the movie the Buddy Cop movie that she stars in
Speaker 1: with a dinosic dinoscast. Oh my god, you should check
Speaker 1: it out anyway. But we tried to sing this song.
Speaker 1: Bowen is a legitimate singer, but you in comparison, and so, okay,
Speaker 1: what was the line of okay? So so it's like
Speaker 1: you think you know, and then okay, and we're doing
Speaker 1: fine up here, and then we just an right here
Speaker 1: and then right here he hits a note that makes sense,
Speaker 1: but it's a little bit of like a thing where
Speaker 1: it's like he's kind of asking me to harmonize. And
Speaker 1: I could tell that I was. I was trying to
Speaker 1: get there with him, and I couldn't do it. So
Speaker 1: this is how we went there, just a dead thing
Speaker 1: because I was like, he was a little I heard
Speaker 1: I heard you go. So I was like, I guess
Speaker 1: I'll go high. And I don't know anything about pitch tone. Nothing.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything. I'm just like when someone goes on,
Speaker 1: I guess I means I'm supposed to go high. And
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, surely, on my way up,
Speaker 1: I'll hit the note that I'm supposed to hit. And
Speaker 1: I just overshot so bad. I truly brought like a
Speaker 1: bazooka to like a slingshot. See you know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying was everyone like I broke down and I felt
Speaker 1: my knees on the bullock in the middle of the night. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my god. So it was literally lost control of the car.
Speaker 1: Every single time I feel like that at this moment
Speaker 1: to myself, I have told it's so gnarly what I did.
Speaker 1: It's simple and stupid. It's so funny. Okay, did you
Speaker 1: carry on? But we were crying completely. We just caught
Speaker 1: up with the others because we were way ahead, and
Speaker 1: we were keeping ahead of other people because we were
Speaker 1: just like going off and having just a little moment
Speaker 1: to ourselves. We were going to sing together and then
Speaker 1: and then you know what I did, I just took
Speaker 1: it out. Okay, So I thought you were talking about
Speaker 1: you were performing karaoke. No, no, no, that is walking
Speaker 1: together just the two of us were on our way
Speaker 1: to the cherry. The growth is it is? That is cherry?
Speaker 1: Is it okay that I'm not wearing my headphones because
Speaker 1: they were really loud and it seems like when we
Speaker 1: don't care what you do, Okay, great because I feel
Speaker 1: more natural. Okay. So that's so that's one thing, and
Speaker 1: then what else? So I just wanted to talk about
Speaker 1: ask stuff number one. So you were talking about your
Speaker 1: calling your asshole world the whole world. Yeah, my world, world,
Speaker 1: possess world. Okay. I had when I was nine worked
Speaker 1: at American Apparel in Los Angeles, and we had just
Speaker 1: a slurry of a flurry of of managers, just one
Speaker 1: manager after another, and one of them was this really
Speaker 1: lame loser from the South and his and he called
Speaker 1: buttholes spider pies, spider pies. And then one time and
Speaker 1: then went to I know, I know. And then one
Speaker 1: time my coworker went on his computer, dear friend of mine,
Speaker 1: but my coworker went on the computer to like send
Speaker 1: an email, and his email was open. The manager's email
Speaker 1: was open, and he found like an email to manhunt,
Speaker 1: like some guy in Manhunt. He was closeted. I said,
Speaker 1: you know he was I mean, he was very obviously gay,
Speaker 1: but um but he So my co worker opened up
Speaker 1: the email and they were like some nude photos of
Speaker 1: him in there, and then there was a website in
Speaker 1: the corner, and we were like, okay, well we're gonna
Speaker 1: go to the webs and I know you're going on
Speaker 1: because this is cool, but yeah, whatever, we were nineteen
Speaker 1: manager who had and he had bad taste and was
Speaker 1: also really unprofessional. Okay, maybe even sounds like you know
Speaker 1: out there, maybe slightly abusive. Of course, restaurant is a
Speaker 1: restaurant is actually um okay, So we opened up the website.
Speaker 1: It's a photographer's website and you know, like you don't
Speaker 1: have a gay photographers used to have their little watermark
Speaker 1: in the corners. You can go to the watermark and
Speaker 1: see all the photos of you know, would be like
Speaker 1: it'd be like, okay, these are my categories portraiture, men
Speaker 1: or landscape, you know, and it was like click on men, Okay,
Speaker 1: scroll down, there's like Daniel Matthias, you know, Andrew whatever.
Speaker 1: Find our manager's name, and let's just say we found
Speaker 1: his spider pie. God, wow, spider potan where do you
Speaker 1: get that something's very invoked now, which is I'm balloon
Speaker 1: not balloon not. I've always thought the balloon not look
Speaker 1: like a tidy hole, a tidy hole tidy hole. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah for sure? Are you kidding? Yeah, I guess I
Speaker 1: can understand why we call the balloon not the butthole,
Speaker 1: but spider pie. It's the radial thing like a spider.
Speaker 1: And then um, you know, it's like, well I think
Speaker 1: that the legs is being like the creases. Yeah right.
Speaker 1: And then pie because he's Southern and that's where they
Speaker 1: make those spotter pope. When you say it with an accent,
Speaker 1: it sort of feels right. So he came on, he
Speaker 1: came into the American Apparel and said, y'all, I don't
Speaker 1: want to see y'all cracks hanging low. We're gonna it's
Speaker 1: almost like at risk of seeing a spotter pose spool
Speaker 1: high because he's Southern, and because American Apparel as a restaurant. Yes. Also,
Speaker 1: one more thing that I wanted to mention about the
Speaker 1: up top conversation. We can talk about whatever you want, Okay,
Speaker 1: Can I talk about my first hemorhoid experience? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: had no idea what they were neither in high school.
Speaker 1: And I was like cleaning myself in the shower, felt
Speaker 1: it and I was like cancer yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And I got out of the shower, drive myself off,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't feel right. Then woke
Speaker 1: up laying on the ground looking up at the ceiling
Speaker 1: my head between the toilet and the bathtub. I had
Speaker 1: fainted because I gave myself a panic attack. I had
Speaker 1: butt cancer and it was a hemorrhoid from yeah, eating
Speaker 1: like garbage. Yeah yeah, yeah, that's the thing. If you
Speaker 1: don't want a hemroid, I don't eat like garbage culture
Speaker 1: number ninety three. If you don't't want tom, don't eat
Speaker 1: like garbage. Now. Uh? And you did you just preparation it?
Speaker 1: Did you? Like? How did you howd to treat it? Um?
Speaker 1: Definitely not that, although my dad Actually I bet my
Speaker 1: dad would have had because my dad has had a
Speaker 1: lot of we are you know, we are a Semitic people,
Speaker 1: so we have the digestive you know culture with home. Right, Um,
Speaker 1: there's a lot. And my dad is classically will never
Speaker 1: give up um a medication, whether it is over the
Speaker 1: counter or prescription, just you know, cabinets filled with them.
Speaker 1: So we have it available. I'm sure I ended up
Speaker 1: using it because I'm sure I told my dad that
Speaker 1: I have this issue. You know, every single time I've
Speaker 1: had any sort of anal issue. It's pretty scary though.
Speaker 1: It's like it is like a vulnerable spot down there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so like the fact that you're like, you feel like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, is this weird that I spread my
Speaker 1: ass in front of an air conditioner or a fan, Like, no,
Speaker 1: it's not weird. No, I mean, i'll, I'll literally it's
Speaker 1: my right to do whatever I want with that, or
Speaker 1: you know, it is weird, but it's okay. My world,
Speaker 1: okay to be weird. It's so okay to be weird
Speaker 1: spreading my ass in front of an a Tommy, how
Speaker 1: to be weird? Now I'm in culture, like when there
Speaker 1: was like a really gorgeous girl with like a side
Speaker 1: ponytail and a and a tie on, that was like,
Speaker 1: it's actually okay to be weird and absolutely yeah, that's
Speaker 1: basically I'm wait, can I tell you that I absolutely
Speaker 1: dressed like that sometimes when like a levine culture. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like tie, like a tie with something that you're not
Speaker 1: supposed to wear tie with. And I used to wear
Speaker 1: ties as belts. You just reminded me you were one
Speaker 1: of those I did all sorts of things in high
Speaker 1: school and throughout my life, I mean trying to find
Speaker 1: who you were. But Max, I would consider Max to
Speaker 1: be someone who really like has worn every single tried on,
Speaker 1: every single hat I have tried on, everything has landed on,
Speaker 1: like on his aesthetic. I don't know if I have you.
Speaker 1: You just like called you just demed me because I
Speaker 1: was I was shopping earlier, and by that I was like, no,
Speaker 1: it doesn't look good at me. You're like, who cares?
Speaker 1: Like because we're about to get to Fire Island recording
Speaker 1: this the week before we go to Fire Island, and
Speaker 1: then we were just like, what did you say? You
Speaker 1: were like, I was like, I was. I told you, like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go too heavy on the looks this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I said, oh, it's all about looking like garbage
Speaker 1: rain and looking the garbage is hot. It is actually hot.
Speaker 1: I'm only bringing like all my most stained clothing. I'm
Speaker 1: bringing literally like no speedos. I'm just bringing the dirtiest, nastiest,
Speaker 1: like five dollar chunks that I bought in like a
Speaker 1: beach in Florida, like in the middle of the night
Speaker 1: six years ago and it's literally in tatters, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is sexy, and I'm gonna have like a dirty
Speaker 1: fucking mustache and just look like ship beach um as
Speaker 1: as a sartorially minded person. Um what what? I'm so curious,
Speaker 1: what would you describe as your like, um aesthetic right now?
Speaker 1: Is the maxwthetic? This is so unfair. I just it's
Speaker 1: a really good question what we're gonna because because I
Speaker 1: just I this sounds so uh cloin, but like you
Speaker 1: are so you're you're so fashion, You're you're so literate
Speaker 1: when it comes to that kind of thing. Well, I
Speaker 1: appreciate that I do have a podcast about it, so
Speaker 1: I better, you know, I have to back it up
Speaker 1: with something. Um, I really don't. I actually really don't
Speaker 1: know a lot about fashion. I just have a lot
Speaker 1: of opinions about it, basically. But I grew up super
Speaker 1: duper into it as a kid, and I used to
Speaker 1: draw it a lot. And I've had various like fashion
Speaker 1: like identities throughout the various periods of my life. In adulthood,
Speaker 1: I went through some periods where I where I would
Speaker 1: like intentionally be like, Okay, right now, what I want
Speaker 1: to look like is the like gay military brat, like
Speaker 1: a gay military brat and who's like father's like a
Speaker 1: general who's been stationed in like um sort of like
Speaker 1: well like like a tropical So I'd wear like a
Speaker 1: lot of like you know, like army looking shorts and
Speaker 1: with like boots, but then like some like you know
Speaker 1: is right at the top. No, this was like previously,
Speaker 1: and then after that period, I was like, oh, I
Speaker 1: want to look like I just came out of the desert,
Speaker 1: and so I was like wearing like a lot of
Speaker 1: like Linen's and big leave our hats and ship. And
Speaker 1: then I got to New York and I was like
Speaker 1: and I found like this really goofy weird hat, and
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, no matter where I am, I
Speaker 1: just want to look like I'm not from there. So
Speaker 1: my whole thing was just like I want to look
Speaker 1: wrong all the time. Yeah yeah, yeah. So and now
Speaker 1: I sort of I don't know where I'm at right now.
Speaker 1: I think I've sort of died down a little. I
Speaker 1: want to ask you a question, do you where every
Speaker 1: day what you want to wear like well like or
Speaker 1: do you feel like you're like, I think people will
Speaker 1: like this. Um, I I just sort of like take
Speaker 1: on different mantles a lot. So then it is what
Speaker 1: it is, your choice, and this is like this is
Speaker 1: what I'm doing today, and I like it. I make
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I think I don't think I
Speaker 1: make like considered choices every day. Like I mean, obviously,
Speaker 1: like if I'm going to like a professional thing, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to dress like a fucking psycho like you know, uh,
Speaker 1: like club kid or something. But I have those looks
Speaker 1: too if I want to bust those out. But you
Speaker 1: you usually like I think what you're asking that, it's
Speaker 1: like you usually have an intention with Like I I
Speaker 1: just threw this thought. I'm like, I'm like, I don't,
Speaker 1: but I would disagree with that. Is that I like,
Speaker 1: my whole thing is like I think you're you have
Speaker 1: an intention with everything that you Well, I guess what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get it is because as I'm listening
Speaker 1: to you talk, I'm kind of realizing that it's only
Speaker 1: recently I started wearing things that I like wearing. I
Speaker 1: feel like throughout my entire life, especially high school and
Speaker 1: then like college definitely, and then like Throughout my twenties,
Speaker 1: I was always dressing to fit into something that I
Speaker 1: wanted to assimilate with. And it's only recently like that
Speaker 1: I think I've kind of like actually started to like
Speaker 1: really really truly like who I am that I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm actually going to wear this and not necessarily care
Speaker 1: what the implication of it is. But all throughout my life,
Speaker 1: like especially in high school, like trying to like wearing
Speaker 1: all that American Eagle ship and doing the hall stair whatever,
Speaker 1: probably think, which was very much what I did, and
Speaker 1: you laugh because it's literally like but yeah, but you
Speaker 1: never no one ever choose, no one ever wears American
Speaker 1: Eagle because they're like I like this the best, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like this actually is my style.
Speaker 1: This is I'm going to express myself to the world.
Speaker 1: It was a culturally mandated thing that was like you
Speaker 1: should all want to look like this, and that's why
Speaker 1: I dressed that way, and I remember I tried that,
Speaker 1: and then like I remember when I had older friends
Speaker 1: in high school where a lot of hooded sweatshirts to
Speaker 1: be like, I don't care either of you guys. And
Speaker 1: then like when I was in college and had straight
Speaker 1: comedy friends. I was always like, I'm gonna wear this
Speaker 1: T shirt with the joker on it because that's straight
Speaker 1: culture and like that's it's cool and like shows that
Speaker 1: I've seen movies, and then like even in my early twenties,
Speaker 1: when I was like starting to do gay stuff, I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm actually gonna part my hair to the side, like, so,
Speaker 1: what do you think this says? I think this office
Speaker 1: says I'm too hot because I literally would never wear
Speaker 1: a tank top because I was always like nervous about
Speaker 1: what for what for, whether it's real or not. I
Speaker 1: would never have worn a tank top because I was like, well,
Speaker 1: then people will look at my arms, and I like
Speaker 1: my arm. I mean, I would say, even if you're
Speaker 1: dressing for yoursel, if you're still making choices about other people,
Speaker 1: because it's like, just like anything that you do visually,
Speaker 1: whether that's like tattoos, grooming, like whatever, it's, you are
Speaker 1: intrinsically projecting a message. Like people that are like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't give a shit about fashion, I don't care
Speaker 1: about clothes at all are completely lying because if you
Speaker 1: gave that person a clown students like wear this around,
Speaker 1: they'd be like fuck no. Yeah, it's like, no, you
Speaker 1: actually do care, but what you care about is is
Speaker 1: attempting to blend in or be ignored basically that So
Speaker 1: like what I would say is that, like I think,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that that you were wearing what
Speaker 1: you wanted to wear all along, but what you want,
Speaker 1: but what you wanted has changed. You're actually right, And
Speaker 1: I think that also, as you've gotten a stronger idea
Speaker 1: of who you are and what your values are, you're
Speaker 1: more comfortable making like assertive decisions about do you put
Speaker 1: on your body and how you represent yourself. Because it's
Speaker 1: interesting because to hear you talk about like a to
Speaker 1: all my like garbage ship to wear her Fire Island,
Speaker 1: it's like that is as a choice, Yeah, hell yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's like listen, we're going to be there during
Speaker 1: the fucking Pines party when it's just gonna be like like,
Speaker 1: I mean, are we going? No? Are you I think
Speaker 1: about I mean, of course, like yeah, if I had
Speaker 1: any sort of presentable body, I would absolutely But there's
Speaker 1: no such thing as a summer body. Ye. Well, as
Speaker 1: I treated earlier the body when I was like I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, the beach is gonna get whatever body
Speaker 1: I give it and then like an actress like drags
Speaker 1: a heavy plastic bag through the beach at night. You know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. The body positivity thing is really interesting
Speaker 1: to me because it is. It's fascinating because I don't
Speaker 1: I'm I think I might have talked about this when
Speaker 1: I did seek treatment. Sorry if no, no, it's okay,
Speaker 1: I did see treatment. That's actually okay. Just because like
Speaker 1: like in is sort of like forever Dog Cannon. I
Speaker 1: don't know whether I'm allowed to like say like, oh,
Speaker 1: this happened before that, because I'm sort of not the writer,
Speaker 1: so universe, you're making a lot of rules right now,
Speaker 1: we're going to let that slow kidding, but say what
Speaker 1: I was gonna say is just that like this whole
Speaker 1: body positivity thing like blows my mind because I'm sort
Speaker 1: of like if people are comfortable comfortable with their bodies,
Speaker 1: I'm sort of like, okay, are you lying to me
Speaker 1: or to yourself? Because I truly am like I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like I'm just willing to say that,
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm an intelligent, like self aware person
Speaker 1: who was like struggled with body ship my whole life.
Speaker 1: I was overweight for a long period of my upbringing,
Speaker 1: and like I just don't when people are like, you know,
Speaker 1: one day, I just made a choice, and now I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, this is the body that I have and
Speaker 1: and and I'm happy with it, and I'm just sort
Speaker 1: of like you made a choice, city happy choice. It's
Speaker 1: like one day I just decided this life is mine
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna you know. It's like, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? You know what I mean? That was
Speaker 1: the people's what what what? Bumps with you? What? What? What? What? Like? What? Like? Um,
Speaker 1: like it's not I get what you're saying. Like it's
Speaker 1: like like as if like happiness and like full acceptance
Speaker 1: of yourself and to leave that entire conversation just like
Speaker 1: what do you have? How did you do that? It's
Speaker 1: like did you okay? It's like, oh, you mix two
Speaker 1: eggs and like you know, show them to get It's like,
Speaker 1: what do you do to achieve the fucking because I'm
Speaker 1: in I've been in therapy for a long fucking time now.
Speaker 1: It's like the height of my privilege and blindness. I
Speaker 1: used to say to people in my life, well, you
Speaker 1: have to make the choice to be happy, which is
Speaker 1: like a crazy thing, like and I grew up with
Speaker 1: that stranger because I was brought up in like a
Speaker 1: neo Buddhist. It's a call, but I mean it's a
Speaker 1: it's a harm on this call. But but like so
Speaker 1: much of the like burbage in my family was about
Speaker 1: just like you have to yeah, happiness, happiness, you have
Speaker 1: to achieve happiness, and like she was happiness and it's
Speaker 1: just like, what are you talking about, Like it wasn't
Speaker 1: Buddhist thing. Yeah, yeah, I mean it was part of
Speaker 1: the I don't even know what to call it, the
Speaker 1: sor It wasn't hard it was. It was called Soca
Speaker 1: Gawkai International. It's just like Japanese based, like a neo
Speaker 1: Buddhist organization. They well, I don't know this about you.
Speaker 1: All of my baby photos are like literally like it's
Speaker 1: like five Japanese women surrounding like a man in like
Speaker 1: a kimono holding me with like in a tuxedo, and
Speaker 1: it's like my baby photos are just psycho were born
Speaker 1: earlier this, Yeah, I know I was. I was born
Speaker 1: in Santa Monica. Great, but then this was this was
Speaker 1: just like some contingent from this Buddhist cult. Yeah. In
Speaker 1: Japan was just in yeah, yeah, so's they're just like
Speaker 1: they're like this like international organization. They I think they
Speaker 1: call themselves like a World peace organization. They're totally harmless.
Speaker 1: They're in every city of their chill cool. They're not
Speaker 1: taking money from people. You know, it's fine the people
Speaker 1: that are happy, good people in it. But you know,
Speaker 1: but it is by definition like a culture, and then
Speaker 1: define a cult um. It's sort of based on like
Speaker 1: basically like the like the size, like you can't really
Speaker 1: call it an official religion. And also think and also
Speaker 1: there's just so many so much debate about whether like
Speaker 1: Buddhism is a religion or whatever, market or anyway, and
Speaker 1: then growing around that, there's always some narrative around attaining
Speaker 1: happiness and that that to you is just like that
Speaker 1: makes no sense. That's me. And for so long I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, of course, like so you know, every birthday,
Speaker 1: like you know, blow my Camila and be like I
Speaker 1: wish for a life full of happiness. And it's like
Speaker 1: I'm looking back then and I'm just like, what the
Speaker 1: funk was I even talking about? Well, I always find
Speaker 1: that like it's like with the it's like similar to
Speaker 1: the American Dream thing where it's like attaining happiness as
Speaker 1: like the goal or attaining the American Dream. Really that's
Speaker 1: a way for whatever organization or sort of culture you're
Speaker 1: a part of, that's their way of getting you to
Speaker 1: follow their rules, and that's your that's essentially it's a
Speaker 1: way to keep you in a system that they benefit
Speaker 1: from having you in. And can they say these things
Speaker 1: that actually are grand ideas, like achieve the American Dream
Speaker 1: or attain happiness or go to heaven. And it's like
Speaker 1: these things that you don't have an answer for, but
Speaker 1: you follow because that's what you've been told to follow.
Speaker 1: And you're right, it is and it's happenings such a
Speaker 1: weird thing. It's like yeah, because it's when somebody says
Speaker 1: like are you Like if I was like, mat, are
Speaker 1: you happy? How would you answer that? I would say? Wow?
Speaker 1: That's because because you know what, happiness is always going
Speaker 1: to be abstract. You're no one is ever going to
Speaker 1: people to pin down a definition of happiness with words
Speaker 1: or with any linguistic concept to match it with. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I'm just like is usually like sometimes like yeah, sometimes
Speaker 1: I am like you're always at all times going to
Speaker 1: be a human being who's capable and will experience all
Speaker 1: of the emotions. Are the vast majority of human beings
Speaker 1: right able to experience all emotions? Anyway? And so this
Speaker 1: thing of like are you happy? Sure, Like I can
Speaker 1: acknowledge that I live every day and I'm lucky that
Speaker 1: I'm able to eat and live and have people that
Speaker 1: I love in my life, and like I get to
Speaker 1: do what I want to do. So yes, I am happy. However,
Speaker 1: are there things that upset me? Yes? Absolutely? Can I
Speaker 1: do I end days? Do I end days miserable even
Speaker 1: though I have no reason to be? Yes, Like, sometimes
Speaker 1: that does happen. So it's it's a weird question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know it's yeah, what are you gonna say? Well,
Speaker 1: I think what you're saying about happiness as it really
Speaker 1: like body positivity, is that it's like and I think,
Speaker 1: I think, I think this is what you're saying. I
Speaker 1: agree with it really really hard is that? Um ah,
Speaker 1: Like appealing to happiness is just a cop out. It's
Speaker 1: just like I decided to be happy. It's like no,
Speaker 1: you like you're pinning a lot of your escaping actually
Speaker 1: reckoning with something that you're that you were unhappy with
Speaker 1: with some like amorphous definition of happiness and like that's
Speaker 1: not actually well basically, I'm just like I think that
Speaker 1: in order to have like a sense of body positivity
Speaker 1: or even like happiness sort of like like you sort
Speaker 1: of have to be able to completely shed the the
Speaker 1: need to like please others, which basically means like shedding shame,
Speaker 1: which is by definition, basically a personality. So you know,
Speaker 1: so like I don't believe that you can kind of
Speaker 1: like just like have these things without like without something
Speaker 1: being sort of wrong with you know, although I think
Speaker 1: that there are ways to completely edit this out. We're
Speaker 1: onto something anyway, We're onto something, So that's not quite
Speaker 1: it what you just said. I think, like I think that, um,
Speaker 1: there are ways to like push the shame back or
Speaker 1: something to keep it at bay. But it's like you're
Speaker 1: you'd be kidding yourself if you're saying, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: It's like like there there are older they're like old
Speaker 1: people that are like, you know, I'm fine like or whatever,
Speaker 1: like I'm happy with what I am. But I think
Speaker 1: like even those people are sort of just like at
Speaker 1: a point where it's like either they've just like given
Speaker 1: up or or they're just sort of. I mean a
Speaker 1: lot of people just like push it down and just
Speaker 1: I mean I think I think something that comes with
Speaker 1: age is the awareness that no one is thinking about
Speaker 1: you as much as you're thinking about yourself. That is
Speaker 1: something that helps me, is like realizing that like you can.
Speaker 1: Like I remember when I was I was in l
Speaker 1: A for a while, and I had a lot of
Speaker 1: social anxiety when I first got there, and I would
Speaker 1: literally sit in my house and be like I'm not
Speaker 1: going to go out because I'm too scared, like truly weird,
Speaker 1: Like in my dark moments, I actually get a little
Speaker 1: socially anxious a little bit and like um so, and
Speaker 1: sometimes I won't leave my house if I feel like
Speaker 1: it's going to be too much of an effort. And
Speaker 1: when I was first out in Los Angeles, I thought that,
Speaker 1: and I remember like changing my clothes a lot and
Speaker 1: like really wanting to like be the best version of myself.
Speaker 1: And then one day I was kind of like, this
Speaker 1: is crazy that I'm doing this because no one cares
Speaker 1: as much as I care, Like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like I'll show up to a thing, people will say
Speaker 1: hello to me, and then like we'll all talk or
Speaker 1: we all won't and like everything will happen. And also
Speaker 1: we're tiny little specks of dust at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, like no one really I love you able
Speaker 1: to do that, I consider that lying to myself because
Speaker 1: because like you know, okay, so I go to the
Speaker 1: Planet Fitness, and I mean, this is like something that
Speaker 1: I've said on stage, So I apologize for repeating like
Speaker 1: a joke that I've like said on stage or whatever.
Speaker 1: But like there's like all these signs all over the
Speaker 1: gym that are like like judgment, Like honey, like I'm
Speaker 1: proof that that's not true because I'm here dodging everybody.
Speaker 1: So like, so yes, that's like an fabulous monsitor to have.
Speaker 1: And like when I try to do that to myself,
Speaker 1: it like it's like a temporary salve. And then I'm
Speaker 1: just like, well, you know, actually I go out and
Speaker 1: I am like judging. You know, it's like it's like
Speaker 1: not outllowed, but you judge equals, but you judging people
Speaker 1: like it has no real effect on them. I think
Speaker 1: that's what right, right, right? And also and also it's
Speaker 1: like we dip in and out of these thoughts. It's
Speaker 1: like sometimes they dip in and I'm like, and I'm
Speaker 1: like this person for like doing that, like wearing that
Speaker 1: persons and then like I talked to them and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I love you, you know, and then and then maybe
Speaker 1: like something else happens. I'm like, actually, it's like here's
Speaker 1: here's something I want to throw out. And if someone,
Speaker 1: if someone talks shit about you, do you want to know,
Speaker 1: because I'll say this, I do not. And so I'm
Speaker 1: sort of seeing someone and like one of our friends
Speaker 1: talked bad ship about another one of our friends and
Speaker 1: they found out, and so I will tell you. And
Speaker 1: so like I was saying that it is my worst
Speaker 1: nightmare to find out that people that I like in
Speaker 1: respect have said mean things about me. And it's just
Speaker 1: what I said, and I said, I said, and I
Speaker 1: would say to you and to you in any of
Speaker 1: my friends, I would say, if you ever hear someone
Speaker 1: talking about me, But dear God, I do not want
Speaker 1: to know. You. Just let me live in a world
Speaker 1: where like that's that's fine. Unless it's like really harmful
Speaker 1: and I'm being lied to on a consistent basis and
Speaker 1: it's dangerous, then like let's have a conversation about it,
Speaker 1: because maybe it's something that that person needs help with.
Speaker 1: But like, I really truly do not want to know
Speaker 1: when someone talks about me. What say you guys about that?
Speaker 1: I'm really glad that I kept this a comedy podcast,
Speaker 1: by the way, No, this is a culture podcast, you
Speaker 1: stupid bit. You're I'm such a dumb, stupid bit. You
Speaker 1: absolutely stink. I'm a stinky dune stupid bitch. And I
Speaker 1: smell like how that's what question? Because I I am
Speaker 1: with you. Yeah, I think what about your max about Wait,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry about you. I want to I want to know.
Speaker 1: You want to know as has that? Has that benefited
Speaker 1: you in the past? As you think? Can you think
Speaker 1: of a Mortal Kombat used to stay in the opening
Speaker 1: of the game, and I used to turn on the game,
Speaker 1: you know, you just have midway or whatever, and then
Speaker 1: there'd be a little quotation in those like spiky Gold
Speaker 1: that is in it said knowledge is power. That's what
Speaker 1: the old Mortal So you know what I believe knowledge
Speaker 1: is power. Yeah, but I guess I don't need power
Speaker 1: in knowledge. Knowledge can be destructive power, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, you are you know what
Speaker 1: is your sign? Gemini. I know that's what everybody says. No,
Speaker 1: because I was lying and I'm actually Leah, I did this.
Speaker 1: I did this to a guy once that I was dating,
Speaker 1: and he what are you? I'm a Gemini. I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, I'm totally kidding. Why are you actually stopping Gemini.
Speaker 1: I have the same birthday as the oldsen twins, the
Speaker 1: same to the year. No, oh my god, you think
Speaker 1: three now I'm two. Wait, Oh my god, Gemini are
Speaker 1: twins and are twins? Oh my god. Huge. We just
Speaker 1: broke it all open and that cycle culture. Listen, Um,
Speaker 1: we have to ask you the question. This question is
Speaker 1: what is the culture is for the culture that made
Speaker 1: you say, oh it's time to go in the cultural direction. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I've thought about this a couple briefly times, A
Speaker 1: couple a couple briefly times, and it's a little bit
Speaker 1: difficult for me to answer because so like you, you
Speaker 1: can you can have multiple Landska. So this is, oh
Speaker 1: my god, whatever what I just gonna go for it.
Speaker 1: So it's like, Okay, I grew up in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: in a neo Buddhist it's cult. My mother was like
Speaker 1: a designer and like stylist. There's photos of her with
Speaker 1: like Demi Moore styling her on like strip tease. My
Speaker 1: father was like O G. Groundling, second city dude, writer
Speaker 1: for cartoons and stuff. You can't like ask a fish
Speaker 1: about the water because I was just surrounded all the
Speaker 1: but I can tell you about the moment that I
Speaker 1: was able to sort of step out for him for yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think I think you and I might have
Speaker 1: talked about this briefly in my place once I was
Speaker 1: watching Tiny Tunes and the Babs character. I think he
Speaker 1: used to do these like impressions sometimes where she would
Speaker 1: just like turn into like a diva or something. Not
Speaker 1: looking back on it, I now realized she was doing
Speaker 1: a sort of like share impression, but of course that
Speaker 1: at that age I had no idea what it was saying.
Speaker 1: But I sort of clocked it as a moment where
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I get the even though I
Speaker 1: have no idea what's going on. And I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm okay, you know, I mean, like obviously not in
Speaker 1: so many words, but but it was like, Okay, there's
Speaker 1: something about this that rings true with a core part
Speaker 1: of me that I don't I haven't interacted. It was
Speaker 1: baby's first postmodernism. You know what I mean, it's yep,
Speaker 1: I have this is not like a fully formed question
Speaker 1: that I have, but like, this is such a dumb
Speaker 1: shut up. This is such a common thing with so
Speaker 1: many where um, it's like a chicken or the egg
Speaker 1: thing where it's like did is it something like is
Speaker 1: it nature? Nature? Well? Know? Is it like? Is it
Speaker 1: that like this thing has a queer intention or a
Speaker 1: queer brush behind it? And so that's why I like
Speaker 1: you respond to or do you respond? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, is it something? Is there some interior mechanism
Speaker 1: that you have even as a kid that you're like
Speaker 1: whoa that you're like was something wrong with me? Or
Speaker 1: was something wrong with that? And it made something yeah
Speaker 1: kind of well I don't even know if, but I
Speaker 1: get why you say wrong, and I do. I I
Speaker 1: agree with what you're saying. It's I think the question.
Speaker 1: I know, No, I think the question is like is
Speaker 1: queerness like more than sexual? Is it also? Like what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, it's intrinsically cultural and in a way, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like, is it is it like
Speaker 1: because I remember like there because I think people can
Speaker 1: grow up and be like really deeply like not queer
Speaker 1: while also being homosexual. You know what I mean, well,
Speaker 1: or but but it is part of the repressed but
Speaker 1: as part of the repressing of the homosexually also also
Speaker 1: repressing those cultural instincts. I mean, like like you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. What I'm saying, it's like because I
Speaker 1: remember I had the same sort of stuff with um.
Speaker 1: I'm like I would listen to like Margaret Show albums
Speaker 1: and like Sandra Bernhard and no no like but like
Speaker 1: I went't back. But when I think I realized that
Speaker 1: was gay. But when you say, like I don't get
Speaker 1: the jokes, but I get them. That kind of thing.
Speaker 1: I remember like seeing like Alicia Silverstone and clueless and
Speaker 1: like something about her like state of being. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm that y, it's a state of iron. It's a
Speaker 1: state of of I mean camps. As much as I
Speaker 1: hate to say camp, yeah, yeah, it's it's but it's
Speaker 1: a question. It's like because because you don't know what
Speaker 1: your sexuality is at five, but you know you want to.
Speaker 1: You know, what's the crazy thing I always think of,
Speaker 1: Like I remember seeing the commercial for Scream, like with
Speaker 1: Drew Barrymore running an So wait, Justice said Scream there
Speaker 1: was a thunder strike outside. Did you hear that? That was?
Speaker 1: That was? And I did that? Yeah, I did that.
Speaker 1: I know. I just wanted to bring your attention to
Speaker 1: I remember, yeah, I remember seeing like the commercial for
Speaker 1: Scream and my instinct being I wish someone would chase
Speaker 1: me around. Oh my god. I would always like I
Speaker 1: remember like when I would play Mario Kart and I'm
Speaker 1: like or like Mario games like and Peach would be
Speaker 1: like in the Castle, like taken by Bowser. I was
Speaker 1: always like, I wish someone would come rescue me, would
Speaker 1: come snatch me away. I had like a thing where
Speaker 1: I was like I wanted to be Was that was it?
Speaker 1: I wish someone would rescue me? Or is I wish
Speaker 1: someone would kidnap me? I think it might have been different. Well,
Speaker 1: in order to be rescued, you've got to be kidnapped
Speaker 1: to a whole thing. It's act in the in order
Speaker 1: to be rescued, you have to be kidnapped. That's so fun.
Speaker 1: I remember like it was a thing with me. I
Speaker 1: was like, I can't believe I played this game and
Speaker 1: I have to be like the person such a hot thought.
Speaker 1: That's a child thought. Well for me during six Remember
Speaker 1: the opening is Peach send a letter to Mario, please
Speaker 1: come over to the castle for a cake, for a cake,
Speaker 1: for a special, for special Peach cake. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I wish I had the remarces in the access to
Speaker 1: not only to invite someone to come to my house
Speaker 1: for the for the for that cake that I made
Speaker 1: that is my expression of my love for them, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and also to be desirable enough that the answer to
Speaker 1: that invitation would be yes, that question and I'll traverse
Speaker 1: the plane to get to you. And that for a
Speaker 1: dragon Cooper creature to kidnap me and hid and invade
Speaker 1: my home snatch my Peach. I think there is something
Speaker 1: about there is something to snatch my piece. There's something
Speaker 1: about I don't know what it was, but I always
Speaker 1: wanted to be Peach, Like I had this thing like
Speaker 1: I was like, I want someone to come rescue me.
Speaker 1: I think it's because I think it's because I was
Speaker 1: born like as a as a like a little boy,
Speaker 1: you know, like you're you're, you're, you are forced into
Speaker 1: a role of being like the suggressor. And when you
Speaker 1: don't feel that way, you look at the things in
Speaker 1: media that are like what's what's not that? What's not that?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so interesting. My whole thing was
Speaker 1: absolutely wanting to be like just like a venomous like villain.
Speaker 1: All I ever want, All I ever wanted was to
Speaker 1: be I mean like this obviously the second I saw
Speaker 1: like Michelle fi first, when I was like huge, I
Speaker 1: was just gonna say that I had. You know, my
Speaker 1: dad was very supportive. He bought me a whip when
Speaker 1: I was a kid because I asked for one, and
Speaker 1: I would just like walk around like whipping things off
Speaker 1: my shelves and ship and like I was like so
Speaker 1: into like throwing daggers and like poison. You know, It's
Speaker 1: like all I ever want, All I ever wanted was
Speaker 1: to be like a fucking fem fatale, like vile, villainous count.
Speaker 1: Do you think that that developed like as you aged
Speaker 1: a little bit like and floring or was it always
Speaker 1: like that? What do you mean you like? Did you?
Speaker 1: Because for me, it started with wanted to be the
Speaker 1: damsel in distress and then being like, oh wait, there's
Speaker 1: actually power and being the fatality. Because at age five,
Speaker 1: my first video game was Mortal Kombat and from day
Speaker 1: from day no, I mean Sonya, Yeah, sure, I mean
Speaker 1: her kicks are fabulous, but like, no, like Natana. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like from day one, I was like Heel's corset blades,
Speaker 1: blood give me like and I just I was like
Speaker 1: so into just the like absolute like violent hunting, noess
Speaker 1: of it all. Yeah, I remember, oh my god, like
Speaker 1: chun Lee and Ship all these games was such a
Speaker 1: fighting game. Horn. Did you guys play um, the Golden
Speaker 1: Eye shooter game Golden Eye? Oh my god? Yes? Were
Speaker 1: you in Italia or Zenia? Probably? I can't remember that.
Speaker 1: The Natalia was more of like the this was the
Speaker 1: bond girl and Zenia well they were both bond girls,
Speaker 1: but but Zenia was the true fatality. It didn't matter
Speaker 1: to me, I don't think, because I could never see
Speaker 1: myself in that game. It's just like the hands, right.
Speaker 1: You need to have your identity affirmed in a video game,
Speaker 1: like in a mirror or something, or in a third
Speaker 1: person sort of overhead or like isometric. If I'm going
Speaker 1: to be like fucking kicking someone's ass, I want to
Speaker 1: see my fucking legs split into the air. Is it
Speaker 1: fucked up that my character right now? And find Fantasy fourteen,
Speaker 1: which is an mm O is like like a human
Speaker 1: male because I've gotten so much that the more, oh
Speaker 1: my god, the more the older that I've gotten, I'm
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I think I just want to be
Speaker 1: I think I just want to be a white dude. No,
Speaker 1: Like for a while there was like I want to
Speaker 1: stare at a hot body. SIMS was the beginning of
Speaker 1: that for me, Like playing the SIMS and be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can get mods to make them naked when they
Speaker 1: get into the hot time. All this game is is
Speaker 1: just making porn, and all the adults and the sims
Speaker 1: one at least the adult men were all like jacked
Speaker 1: and repped. Yeah. I really fell into instance too. And
Speaker 1: that's definitely when I was just like, two, you can
Speaker 1: make them work out and they would get better bodies,
Speaker 1: like their forms have changed. But but I was never
Speaker 1: even I didn't even care about that. On the floor,
Speaker 1: I didn't even care about that. I would just it
Speaker 1: was just like I would just like make a face
Speaker 1: and like and I'd be like, oh, maybe I'm try
Speaker 1: making a different type of hot guy face, and then
Speaker 1: it just turned into the same hot guy face you know.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, this is you know you because you like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna really just really go for it, switch it up,
Speaker 1: and then you would end up with the same hot
Speaker 1: guy face. Oh that's so fucking funny. Damn. I would
Speaker 1: never consciously play it as a male character. Always, if
Speaker 1: I have the choice, I'm always because because my backups.
Speaker 1: If I wasn't, if I wasn't feeling the female characters,
Speaker 1: then I would choose whatever, like the slyest, most like
Speaker 1: Ninja esque. Mail was the one that was like sort
Speaker 1: of like fat, like speedy, a shadow you know, maybe
Speaker 1: had like daggers or something right right right, the fee
Speaker 1: possessed like not strength, but like agility exactly right, spryness.
Speaker 1: So now but you're you're you're talking about just fatals,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, I have to change my character
Speaker 1: to us a fucking hot K know, you should do whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, because now I'm like, I need to see
Speaker 1: that as my I need to know what it's like
Speaker 1: to be to control that in a way, to have
Speaker 1: that be like my an extension of myself. Well, I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, I mean, it's probably just like how
Speaker 1: Matt is more comfortable with with like the things that
Speaker 1: he like is dressing. And now I think similarly, as
Speaker 1: we've become more comfortable with ourselves and more understanding of
Speaker 1: like our internal systems, and we're probably more comfortable just
Speaker 1: playing dudes like male dude. Like I'm just I'm getting
Speaker 1: bored of it now where I'm just like I want
Speaker 1: to be a fucking like like the people have tweeted
Speaker 1: me like the new expansion of Face Origin you can
Speaker 1: play his VI which are these sexy gorgeous women with
Speaker 1: with rabbit ears. Oh yeah, and they're based on the
Speaker 1: like Final Fantasy fran France what it was, fran Um
Speaker 1: So you can so, And I'm like, yeah, why aren't
Speaker 1: I this fucking sexy rabbit lady. Like now I'm just
Speaker 1: have to be literally money a playboy bunny, like like
Speaker 1: a full it's like an anthem from Faced Rabbit. Maybe
Speaker 1: not maybe not that's not the exact No, that'sinology. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I love that you love attals. Yeah, I mean it was, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like very very huge to me growing up
Speaker 1: and like like I was obsessed to like you know,
Speaker 1: I watched x Men a lot when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: and I was obsessed with rogue. Yeah that's a running
Speaker 1: theme that Rogue is like a standout character. Well, and
Speaker 1: I have theories about you guys, we're going to get electrocuted. No,
Speaker 1: but I literally we were Boone and I were walking
Speaker 1: the other day on the street and like I for
Speaker 1: some reason, I got like irrationally frightened that we're gonna
Speaker 1: get struck by Wait, every single time there's a thunderstorm,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gonna get struck by light I've never
Speaker 1: felt that way, but this one time, remember we were
Speaker 1: walking on the street and there was a thing of
Speaker 1: there was like a lightning strike, and you know that
Speaker 1: feeling of like when there's a lightning strike and you
Speaker 1: hear no thing. That to me is like that strikes fear.
Speaker 1: That strikes fear in me because I'm like, how loud
Speaker 1: is it going to be? In words are coming? But
Speaker 1: I I've never felt that way, and I think it
Speaker 1: might be because I've been without rain and thunder so
Speaker 1: much for the past six months. There was a time
Speaker 1: when I was like eighteen or nineteen and I was
Speaker 1: drinking at nighttime on the beach with my friends in
Speaker 1: Santa Monica and we were like getting high or whatever,
Speaker 1: and off in the distance over the water. There was
Speaker 1: a single like lightning strike and we were all like
Speaker 1: stoned and drunk, cross faded and uh, and we were like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's crazy. And then like there was
Speaker 1: another one, and then like a few more, and they
Speaker 1: seemed to be like getting kind of closer, and we're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is kind of and then before long,
Speaker 1: my god, there was like lightning strikes. There just seemed
Speaker 1: to be happening like right in front of us in
Speaker 1: a theater and like happening around us, and we were
Speaker 1: all completely stoned, but like in a way where we
Speaker 1: were like, oh, this is magical, not in any sort
Speaker 1: of way that we should have been with like this
Speaker 1: is threat. You know. We were like this incredible and beautiful.
Speaker 1: And I remember that night we got up and left
Speaker 1: shortly after it stopped because I was because we were
Speaker 1: just like, it's not going to get more magical than this.
Speaker 1: And I walked him and on the way home, a
Speaker 1: moth flew into my mouth while I was stoned. And
Speaker 1: that was the second time that a moth has flown
Speaker 1: into my mouth while I was stoned. Honestly, this is
Speaker 1: that That story is That story is Cordine no star,
Speaker 1: no finish, just sort of an ambition. It did remind me.
Speaker 1: Do you know the original ending in Sweet Home, Alabama?
Speaker 1: Was they get hit by line? Yeah? No, but that's
Speaker 1: how I want to end every If I ever write
Speaker 1: a story, every story, every every story ever write ends
Speaker 1: like that. If I ever write a start every story
Speaker 1: like that. If I ever write a story, lighting by lightning,
Speaker 1: struck lightning? Um is it? Yeah? It's um. It's like
Speaker 1: a self selection bias, I think where you're like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna strike me. Why why on earth would
Speaker 1: it strike you? You fucking because I'm Jewish? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? You know what I mean as a
Speaker 1: fellow Jew, as a Jew. No one is a white Jew. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're a d white Jew by proxy. The Jew is new.
Speaker 1: I've only ever been white. You're a white Jew. Sometimes
Speaker 1: as like obviously I know I'm white, but like really
Speaker 1: have been saying, like I'm Jewish, I'm like white with texture,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, White with seasoning or white
Speaker 1: with not no not seasoning, Why with digestional problems, white
Speaker 1: with white with medical issues, white with the hair type,
Speaker 1: white with um with texture with textures. I mean that
Speaker 1: was not what I was going for initially. But we've
Speaker 1: come full circle. Yes, okay, we've come full circle. And
Speaker 1: there was there was a moment in my there was
Speaker 1: like a moment, a moment in my life where I
Speaker 1: tried to say that Greek was was was a minority
Speaker 1: and it was like a globally Greeks are a minority,
Speaker 1: sick moment in my life where that happened between the
Speaker 1: ages of eighteen and nineteen, where I was like, actually,
Speaker 1: I'm a little Greek. I'm a little Greek too, are you?
Speaker 1: Because we just we just had v Greek because I
Speaker 1: will because I'm my mom's I like to say I'm mixed.
Speaker 1: Actually I'm half Ashnazi, half Separtic, and so my mom's
Speaker 1: side is like jus were kicked out of Spain, fled
Speaker 1: degrees then came to America. So I've got a there's
Speaker 1: you know, I got maybe a spa in there somewhere,
Speaker 1: but a little a little mosaic what are the mosaic
Speaker 1: titles called a little um thing? I think that's a
Speaker 1: fet fe Okay, Max, you're with me, I'm not fed
Speaker 1: up with you? What is what is this choice? Just
Speaker 1: just to go back to really quickly to the fashion
Speaker 1: to the esthetics. What is what is you bleaching not
Speaker 1: only your hair but your eyebrows? What is what is
Speaker 1: that intention? I didn't do a full like like drag bleach,
Speaker 1: you know, I just did. I did a calico. I
Speaker 1: wanted to yeah brown, it's gorgeous, thank you, I really yeah.
Speaker 1: I just kind of wanted a little bit of texture,
Speaker 1: especially because I have like a black mustache right now.
Speaker 1: Champagne colored hair works really well. Yeah, thank you. My. So,
Speaker 1: I go to the same hair person as Julio, and um,
Speaker 1: she every time that I go there to get my
Speaker 1: you can't tell her what to do. She's she picks
Speaker 1: for you, but you do. She demands that you tell
Speaker 1: her exactly what you want, but she will not give
Speaker 1: it to you, you know what I mean. So she
Speaker 1: so I came in there and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I want like a blonde that's maybe like a little
Speaker 1: bit like champagne e or something. And she was like,
Speaker 1: and she threw me a magazine, was like, look through
Speaker 1: this magazine and find the color that you want. And
Speaker 1: I looked and I looked at it looked and I
Speaker 1: couldn't find anything on the on any of the people.
Speaker 1: But then I found a picture of Las Vegas and
Speaker 1: there was a beautiful fountain that was champagne colored, and
Speaker 1: I was like, this color and she was like, Okay, great,
Speaker 1: got it and she had She wasn't even with the hair.
Speaker 1: It was from the champagne that was from a fountain.
Speaker 1: It was a fountain or something like that. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: wanted the color of Las Vegas and his hair. I'm
Speaker 1: he sat on the Vegas. Did you guys go to
Speaker 1: Vegas as a kid as kids? I've never been as
Speaker 1: a child. I've been as like a young adult because
Speaker 1: you know that in the nineties there was like a
Speaker 1: huge push to make Vegas a family place and it failed.
Speaker 1: My family capitalized on that. Oh my god, what did
Speaker 1: they have? Their kids used to be able to go
Speaker 1: to like Treasure Island and there would be like a
Speaker 1: whole game floor and you could like win treasure trolls
Speaker 1: and oh my god, my sister and I were like
Speaker 1: obsessed with getting trolls, and it was you could like
Speaker 1: go to a my ex my what my first real boyfriend.
Speaker 1: His dad was the architect of the Eminem Store. Of
Speaker 1: the what the Eminem Store. There's an Emin store there
Speaker 1: which I think was part of the I was going
Speaker 1: to say the Circus Circus. Remember the theme park, Matt,
Speaker 1: I know all about it. The roller coaster is still
Speaker 1: at the New York roller Coaster and they must have
Speaker 1: a free fall. They used to have a drop tower
Speaker 1: on top of the building, which was essentially the tallest
Speaker 1: one in the world because of how high up it was.
Speaker 1: But so that big pink dome with the theme park.
Speaker 1: My exes dad made that really, so that was part
Speaker 1: of them trying to make it like a family attraction. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so there's this huge thing in the nineties where they
Speaker 1: tried to do and then Vegas was like, actually, funck there.
Speaker 1: You know they back. They still have Rockety Asked roller
Speaker 1: coaster in New York. Yeah, it's it's like it's called
Speaker 1: like the New York Adventure or something. It's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know what it's New York minute. Maybe that's what
Speaker 1: it's called minute, but they still have that, and there's
Speaker 1: like you can tell it is a New York minute.
Speaker 1: It's just like I think it means like you get
Speaker 1: somewhere really in a New York minute faster than you
Speaker 1: went anywhere. Okays, sort of like that line clueless with
Speaker 1: its like everywhere in No, No, I'm thinking of everywhere
Speaker 1: in mixing up two, mixing up two quotes because I
Speaker 1: know that that one that Everywhere in l A takes.
Speaker 1: But I was thinking actually of pulp fiction where he's like,
Speaker 1: it takes twenty minutes to get they'll be there in ten.
Speaker 1: Remember that great job, Quentin great jouin writing that movie
Speaker 1: did a really good job. Absolutely, actually, I have to
Speaker 1: say I do love Quintagantina. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm
Speaker 1: also and Angelina, Uh, pulp fiction. Absolutely, pulption is your favorite? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was, I was quoting. Someone asked me of the
Speaker 1: two kill Bills, which one knows my favorite. I was like,
Speaker 1: it's hard to say, but Volume two has the best
Speaker 1: fight scene in which one which is Darrell Hanna Versusy
Speaker 1: with her just just give me chills. Dialogue is so
Speaker 1: gorgeous and hate to say it. Camp e. Um, that's right,
Speaker 1: I killed your master. Um, I killed your master. Now
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill you with your own sword no less,
Speaker 1: which in the very near future will become my sword. Bitch,
Speaker 1: you don't have a future. And then they kill and
Speaker 1: then she you should do a lip sync of you
Speaker 1: saying that into the microphone. Just now, is Daryl Hannah good?
Speaker 1: I she's so fucking good in that movie. General question
Speaker 1: about Darryl Hamming. I think I think she's good in
Speaker 1: a way that makes you, yeah, sure, question it, where
Speaker 1: like in like Steel Magnoli's You're like, oh, she's what
Speaker 1: is this character? And in a Walk to Remember she
Speaker 1: has on the craziest fucking wig and she plays Shane
Speaker 1: West's mom, And I think she's fabulous in that. And
Speaker 1: I think enough anything and kill Bill. I think she's great.
Speaker 1: I think she's a great She's not in this era.
Speaker 1: I'll say that. I know it's it's a little unfortunately.
Speaker 1: I think we I think like she like our generation
Speaker 1: sort of like Mr. Skewed at an angle with her
Speaker 1: children have forgotten, children have forgotten a little, and she
Speaker 1: doesn't trans like she doesn't translate to the children nowadays,
Speaker 1: where it's like the children now can latch onto like
Speaker 1: you know, a fucking a grand missy on a grand days.
Speaker 1: See Pyle is that actress that you literally know but
Speaker 1: maybe not by name. She's in so much ship like
Speaker 1: and she's enjolding the pussy she's in. She's in um
Speaker 1: like fun. Yeah, I think she's in Hairspray. Know she's
Speaker 1: in guh what was that movie The Gout the Mother? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's in. She's literally this old one. She's I think
Speaker 1: she's my TV's mom. I'm literally gonna bring it up
Speaker 1: right now. You're I'm gonna see it. You're gonna see
Speaker 1: a picture. You're gonna no idea who this is. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know who that. Well, she's she's
Speaker 1: a famous You're not. You're not a real Angelina If
Speaker 1: you don't know who who Missy Pylos, I classically don't
Speaker 1: know anything. Well, that's that's good that I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean this Missy Pile is Cannon. That's actually Missy
Speaker 1: pyle is. What's your thing with darryl Um, here's my thing?
Speaker 1: I actually think that. Well, you know one time Quentin
Speaker 1: Tarantino I was reading an interview with him and he said,
Speaker 1: I don't work with any dumb actors, and so I
Speaker 1: was like, that's interesting because I was crazy thing because
Speaker 1: I know John Travolta, well, I mean, who knows who
Speaker 1: by the way, it's so hot now? Or maybe he's
Speaker 1: my god because he shaved his head. He's have you
Speaker 1: seen a picture? You don't know. I'm gonna end the
Speaker 1: episode John Travolta with his shaved head is my Missno's
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna. I'm gonna power saying cult, this product
Speaker 1: of a cult product is telling us that cult master
Speaker 1: John Travolta. He looks, don't He's not hot? I agree,
Speaker 1: he looks better than having that horrible situation that had before.
Speaker 1: But on that fucking pasty wa also classically have been
Speaker 1: criticized over and over again for wanting to be reiled
Speaker 1: by Ron Perlman. So whatever, Oh my god, everyone moans
Speaker 1: it's like shot, No, I'm not. I'm not moaning. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like moaning, you're a screaming stupid Wait what was I
Speaker 1: just saying? So he there was this quote. Maybe it
Speaker 1: was like I don't like to work with dumb actors
Speaker 1: or like I only work as smart actors or something
Speaker 1: like that. And and I was recently I watched an
Speaker 1: interview like last week with Carol Radzeville. She was on
Speaker 1: move with Carol. Can I get to what Nick has
Speaker 1: to do with I'm literally telling the story and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say what it has to do with her. So
Speaker 1: I was watching an interview with her on like um
Speaker 1: Jenny McCarthy, and she was talking about because I got
Speaker 1: on some like Caroline Bissette Kennedy jfk Jr. Thing, I
Speaker 1: was like, I fell into a Wikipedia wormhole and I
Speaker 1: was like reading about that plane crash and then realized
Speaker 1: they were really close to the Carol Radzeville from your
Speaker 1: real houses of New York. And I was watching this
Speaker 1: interview and she said that before before JFK Jr. Dated
Speaker 1: Caroline Bissett, he dated Darryl Hannah and and and Carol
Speaker 1: and and Cal Rodzeville said, and so you know we
Speaker 1: had to endure that, so really off handed. And so
Speaker 1: I was like, huh, and so what I was thinking
Speaker 1: about her performances and I'm like, yeah, I wonder what
Speaker 1: the deal is at Daryl Hannah. So that's why I
Speaker 1: ask is Daryl Hannah good? I'm sure the woman said
Speaker 1: that about her legit, legit individual. Um, I it wouldn't
Speaker 1: surprise me if Daryl Hannah was like a bad person.
Speaker 1: It was like an asshole and like people did not
Speaker 1: like working with her. This also was like the early nineties,
Speaker 1: Remember sure when she was probably at the height of
Speaker 1: her fame post and she was the most fucking beautiful woman,
Speaker 1: Like she was squear jaw like and maybe someone like
Speaker 1: Carol Radzeville, like Emmy Women Peabody Award winning journalist was
Speaker 1: like looked down in Scottland Liken dating this actress and
Speaker 1: like that was very easy for jfkj do. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: Carol saying and we had to you know, endure that
Speaker 1: as like yeah, like at that time she was probably
Speaker 1: I'm sure Daryl Hannah was like a fucking cocount and like, well,
Speaker 1: Darryl Hannah and jfk Jr. Were like on and off
Speaker 1: for a long How did she lose her finger again?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I didn't know lost. Yeah, she's like
Speaker 1: missing part of her finger. Okay, we need to h
Speaker 1: h can you looked at Daryl just googled how it happened?
Speaker 1: How it happened? Was it that Jeeves? How it happened? Um?
Speaker 1: That's easy. Um. Do you guys remember when you could
Speaker 1: ask Jeeves is Jeeves well hung? And then he'd give
Speaker 1: you some coms. He'd be like, Frankly, I don't know
Speaker 1: you should be asking about missing fingers Daryl Hannah lost
Speaker 1: part of her left index finger when she was a child.
Speaker 1: She told The Sunday Times of South Africa that she
Speaker 1: got it stuck in a pulley in a well at
Speaker 1: her grandma's house when she was little. She sometimes wears
Speaker 1: a prosthetic finger in her movies. Okay, okay, wait, let
Speaker 1: me read this again. She her grandma's house. HBO, we
Speaker 1: have no choice but to stand. We have no interesting
Speaker 1: development that we have no choice. Do you think that's
Speaker 1: finger in a well? Yeah? Where do you think that
Speaker 1: finger is now at the bottom of a Wait? Hold on,
Speaker 1: there's right. Oh. Now we have a photograph of the
Speaker 1: missing finger in question, and I can say that the
Speaker 1: finger is an absolute happy Oh wait, let me see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you got to check this. I mean there's
Speaker 1: not a whole finger, you know what you need. If
Speaker 1: I lost my nick finger, I would have a trip
Speaker 1: on my finger. But I would have a goddamn tip
Speaker 1: on my finger. About that, I would, I would. I
Speaker 1: would look at the world and feel that once went
Speaker 1: on a date with a guy in San Francisco who
Speaker 1: who said like stuck his because I guess as a
Speaker 1: kid had like stuck his finger into like his mom's
Speaker 1: exercise machine in the eighties and like had it taken away?
Speaker 1: You know who's missing part of his finger? My dad?
Speaker 1: My dad. He was teaching and um like there was
Speaker 1: like a television that was like um hung up in
Speaker 1: the one of the classrooms and like he and it,
Speaker 1: I mean trigger warning, the television fell on his finger
Speaker 1: and the top of it came off. I once dropped
Speaker 1: a bottle of shampoo on my toe and it started bleeding.
Speaker 1: I once stubbed my toe in my apartment. That's so bad.
Speaker 1: It was really sad. Have you guys ever stepped your
Speaker 1: toes so perfectly that it doesn't hurt at all? Like
Speaker 1: it was just like the like it's exactly perfect of
Speaker 1: the access of your bad or whatever UM has that
Speaker 1: that's never happened. You know, every time I stepped my toes,
Speaker 1: it hurts. When you have to realigne I have you
Speaker 1: have to realign your too, have a condition where every
Speaker 1: time I stepped my toe it hurts. It hurts me
Speaker 1: so bad. It's truly. It doesn't feel like the world
Speaker 1: is going to end anytime you stub your toe. You're like,
Speaker 1: and it makes me nervous to get in a car.
Speaker 1: Act where it's like if I can't even withstand this pain,
Speaker 1: then like I will, I will surely perish. What's the
Speaker 1: worst pain you ever felt? What is the worst pain
Speaker 1: you've ever been in? Oh my god, I'm not emotional
Speaker 1: because I don't care for that. I mean, I don't.
Speaker 1: I broke my arm twice as again, and I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I don't remember what that felt because it was pure
Speaker 1: trauma rasure. Um. For me, it was kidney stones. Oh fun.
Speaker 1: I had kidney sts when I was nineteen working at
Speaker 1: American Apparel because I was instead of drinking water, drinking
Speaker 1: only switches. There was a this is because I've been
Speaker 1: drinking a lot of protein shakes lately. Congratulations. You've got
Speaker 1: to be careful with that. Because we had to deal
Speaker 1: with the people that looked at strawbacks across the street.
Speaker 1: They would get free clothes whenever they wanted, and we
Speaker 1: got to have free sweet So I just eat three
Speaker 1: of those of it. No, absolutely not. We were nineteen
Speaker 1: or younger some of us and working at a clothing shop.
Speaker 1: This is why that place apparelled American Apparel. What was
Speaker 1: what was the staff? The staffing A hundred percent, that's
Speaker 1: what happens when you hire people that you think are
Speaker 1: hot instead of people that six people are And I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I have it's somebody. Any retail job I would apply for,
Speaker 1: specifically clothing, retail apparel, um, it was like I would
Speaker 1: always get these looks. Yeah, like it was just like
Speaker 1: I was like, are you kidding? You're you want to
Speaker 1: work at the Buckle? Like is the buck the Buckle
Speaker 1: was the fucking It was in every fucking mall in
Speaker 1: the Midwest and the Western I'm going to kill you
Speaker 1: Midwest and then west of the Midwest. And my friend,
Speaker 1: let's start back, worked at the Buckle and she was like,
Speaker 1: you should apply for a job at the Buckle. Bless
Speaker 1: her heart, she was trying to be a good friend,
Speaker 1: but she knew in that moment that I would have
Speaker 1: never gotten the job, stupid bitch. And I applied it
Speaker 1: and it was like a true moment of shame that
Speaker 1: I remember that had stayed with me where it was
Speaker 1: like the person I send I get handed over the
Speaker 1: hard copy paper application to some fucking woman who was
Speaker 1: two years older than me, who just looked at me
Speaker 1: and it was like You're never like why would you ever?
Speaker 1: Why would we ever hire. Okay, the same and I
Speaker 1: applied for and I think I applied to American Apparel
Speaker 1: in college too. It was the same thing. It was like, no,
Speaker 1: I did the same. I applied to American Apparel and
Speaker 1: I was required to attach a photo like I was
Speaker 1: in South Korea today, you know, and like you would
Speaker 1: be in a K pop group or something exactly. But
Speaker 1: and I got rejected several times from American prol The
Speaker 1: way that I actually got a job there was because
Speaker 1: I was hanging out with a friend of mine who
Speaker 1: worked there, and we showed up Super superstoned while he
Speaker 1: was closing and they were doing a floor count that
Speaker 1: night where they had to count every item on the
Speaker 1: floor just you know, I guess to re gage stock
Speaker 1: or whatever because so much stuff was happening all the time.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so we show up Superstone and this girl,
Speaker 1: because we were like in West l A. This girl
Speaker 1: named I'm just kind of just called her name was Lane,
Speaker 1: and she was incredibly like Hollywood Hills, like Olsen Twins,
Speaker 1: like you know, like black, shaggy clothes, long blonde hair,
Speaker 1: big hat, did not need this job, had so much money,
Speaker 1: and she at that moment was like okay, I'm going
Speaker 1: on spring break. And the manager that was there at
Speaker 1: the time, she was like, wait, who's going to take
Speaker 1: over your shift? And she was like, I don't know
Speaker 1: anyway by and she walked out, and the manager just
Speaker 1: like turned to me, and I was like, well, can
Speaker 1: you help us with this floor a count tonight and
Speaker 1: maybe like take over her shift for the next two weeks?
Speaker 1: And I was like uh, And I was stoned out
Speaker 1: of my fucking mind. I stood in front, I stood
Speaker 1: in front of a rack of green sweaters for what
Speaker 1: to me felt like roughly six hours or a New
Speaker 1: York Man for a New York minute, a full New
Speaker 1: York minute, and I just to there carefully, like scratching
Speaker 1: into this clipboard, you know, like one size of the
Speaker 1: style RST three K nine. You know, it's like trying
Speaker 1: so fun, sweating my ass off in absolute terror. But
Speaker 1: I got hired that way, just through just through some
Speaker 1: back channel, and I just I just like wish we
Speaker 1: had had any cultural awareness where I was growing up,
Speaker 1: that like, what the funk was going on? So racist
Speaker 1: and so like sizest, so demeaning, Like it's because yeah,
Speaker 1: I used to go to Abercrombie and like walk around
Speaker 1: and like peacock and try to get asked hired there
Speaker 1: to like boost my ego because that's the power it had.
Speaker 1: And I like, I don't think I would have even
Speaker 1: had the like understanding of vocabulary to like be told
Speaker 1: like just so you know, this is like reductive and
Speaker 1: and like what it is. But back then, like I
Speaker 1: would have this fantasy and this is so embarrassing and
Speaker 1: so funny to me now, the fantasy but walking into
Speaker 1: a hollister folding up clothes and some of them approaching
Speaker 1: me be like do you want to work? Honestly, it
Speaker 1: was like it was it was, Hey, we think you'd
Speaker 1: be a really good asset to the team. You're really
Speaker 1: good at that. Yeah. Wait. I one time before I
Speaker 1: worked in American eparrel, I used to someone's pretend to
Speaker 1: work there because I had like so many friends over there,
Speaker 1: and he's just like hang out all the time. And
Speaker 1: one day they're just like, oh my god, just like
Speaker 1: pretending you work here. And this guy came up to
Speaker 1: me and he was like because people used to ask
Speaker 1: me questions about the stock there anyway, the part, and
Speaker 1: this guy came up to and he was like, do
Speaker 1: you guys have this shirt in different sizes, and I
Speaker 1: just like and I looked around and I was like no,
Speaker 1: and then he just like walked off and then came
Speaker 1: back like ten minutes later. I was like, I found
Speaker 1: the other sizes because I was like I wanted to
Speaker 1: come off in that moment, I was like doing the
Speaker 1: coct I was like, can I spot the shirt out
Speaker 1: of the corner I now and like lead him to it?
Speaker 1: Or can I or do I just like say something
Speaker 1: with confidence that asserts that I do work here and
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. And I opted for the
Speaker 1: ladder instead of instead of looking like a fool and
Speaker 1: sort of like helping him get what he needed. I
Speaker 1: just like you did with that note and colors opt
Speaker 1: for confidence for confidence about title about for confidence, But
Speaker 1: I do I would know you cannot name an episode
Speaker 1: that I've been on opt for confidence because I'm so
Speaker 1: anti confident. It's going to be called New York Minette,
Speaker 1: New York miette with oh no, there's there's there's eno
Speaker 1: fire any there? Do you guys? Do do are people
Speaker 1: like are they like you're from New York on? Did
Speaker 1: they say that to you guys? No? No, But Ruby
Speaker 1: mccollus her when she was on this pod, you're you're
Speaker 1: your co host. I've never who is that? Shut up?
Speaker 1: She's really um she Matt had just gotten gotten back
Speaker 1: in from l A I think recently, and then she
Speaker 1: was like and it was a beautiful memo where she
Speaker 1: had clocked them. She was like, you are you have
Speaker 1: this l A jack about you right now where you're
Speaker 1: just like you're so You're so happy, You're like right
Speaker 1: now you're present in New York. You're happy to be back.
Speaker 1: And I see that and like Ruby, but Ruby is
Speaker 1: just a very saying that about you. Yeah, yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: it was beautiful. Listen back to it. It's great. Listen
Speaker 1: to the episode. Okay, that was back. Okay, well that's
Speaker 1: actually what we had said was listening back. Okay. Well,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm really busy because I'm sort of on a
Speaker 1: New York schedule right now. Maybe maybe I want to say, um, this,
Speaker 1: this this thing about Peacocky and a Abercrombie is so real. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it was a huge um, but I want
Speaker 1: to say, like bell Weather, like like whether or not
Speaker 1: I was worth it. And I think it's like a
Speaker 1: little precursor for any time, like you and I at
Speaker 1: least we'll walk into like like a sexy gay space
Speaker 1: where you go see nbcn where it's like I better be,
Speaker 1: I better opt for you know whatever. It is like
Speaker 1: I better be, like I better, I better try. I
Speaker 1: gotta figure out say what you want to say? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's like but you know, it's like it's like so
Speaker 1: many times you walk into that kind of space and
Speaker 1: you don't know what you're gonna like, yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like just I'm saying, like that feeling of being in
Speaker 1: like a cool store like that, it's just so funny
Speaker 1: to think that now. Well, it's just so I remember,
Speaker 1: like I recently was at a mall and I walked
Speaker 1: I walked out. Yeah, I walked past like an Abercrombie
Speaker 1: or like a hollow store or something in the aesthetics
Speaker 1: of it. And the whole vibe is so different now
Speaker 1: because it was like totally like untenable and like not
Speaker 1: logistically feasible to like continue that culture like it was.
Speaker 1: It just like it was so crazy. But I remember,
Speaker 1: do you remember how fucking loud those stores were? They
Speaker 1: reeked of whatever smells like a grapefruit, spoon being dragged
Speaker 1: through my Yeah, it's crazy, like the fact that those
Speaker 1: people weren't there. They need to be checked. Just shirtless
Speaker 1: men outside clapping, clapping, clapping, telling you I'll just never
Speaker 1: forget walking like it was like the highlight of my year.
Speaker 1: One time when I walked past the Hollander, someone ran
Speaker 1: out of the store and told me they thought I
Speaker 1: would quote do well there. Wow, I mean, so this
Speaker 1: is this is something different where like you were, you
Speaker 1: were being you were being validated in a certain way
Speaker 1: to be like you should you belong. And I remember,
Speaker 1: like because it's a thing. It's like because I got
Speaker 1: that validation once or twice, I was then like, well
Speaker 1: I need to get it now periodically going forward or
Speaker 1: else I also I'll have lost something, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like once they tell you, like, hi,
Speaker 1: I just so you know, this is your worth. If
Speaker 1: you don't get that again, you're like, did I lose
Speaker 1: my worth? You know what I mean. It's it's that
Speaker 1: weird thing. So I remember I would be like all
Speaker 1: throughout high school, like constantly check back in and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure that I still like
Speaker 1: have worth after spending some time in Los Angeles, do
Speaker 1: you feel like you are a little more like self healthy,
Speaker 1: Like do you do you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: do you like do you sort of feel like you
Speaker 1: have a little bit more uh command over these like
Speaker 1: like these mantras and stuff. But I also think it's
Speaker 1: not an l a thing. It's like a post my
Speaker 1: Saturn return thing, Like does that mean I don't know
Speaker 1: what that means. It's like when when Saturn comes back
Speaker 1: to where the position it was when when you were born.
Speaker 1: So it happens like when you're around between seven and
Speaker 1: twenty nine, like this moment in your life, which is like,
Speaker 1: well it happened to you already, and I was supposed
Speaker 1: to do something at that time. Well no, it just
Speaker 1: like changes like cosmically in the way that you exist.
Speaker 1: Like usually it's it collaborates with something in your life
Speaker 1: that's like a big change. And I definitely had one,
Speaker 1: Like my twenty eight year of my life was like
Speaker 1: extremely chaotic and so much change. And now after that,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm I'm like chemically and cellularly like
Speaker 1: a different person. It's it's weird, like and so now
Speaker 1: I think like like little changes in my attitude and
Speaker 1: changes in behavior, like I'm a different person than I
Speaker 1: was like two years ago. It doesn't have to do
Speaker 1: with l A, but like I think that's it's it's
Speaker 1: convenient that like I've adapted him, adopted him more, like well,
Speaker 1: who cares. We're all we're all like just like little
Speaker 1: bags of meat bopping around in space. Like I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was just gonna self because because we'll know,
Speaker 1: just because like that is sort of like something that
Speaker 1: happens in Los Angeles and California in general, because it's
Speaker 1: such a like cult central place because people do forget
Speaker 1: that it's Los Angeles is a desert in the desert um,
Speaker 1: but it's like there's some like quality to it where
Speaker 1: it's like the vastness of it all just makes people
Speaker 1: trip the funk out, and it's sort of like they're
Speaker 1: sort of like like ayahuasca esque, uh state of existence
Speaker 1: that you get into when you live in a place
Speaker 1: where you're sort of like like you and aware of
Speaker 1: vast distance. Yes, I feel a lot less pressure there
Speaker 1: In New York. I feel a lot of pressure to
Speaker 1: do a lot every day. Like I I sorry, I
Speaker 1: beat myself up in a way. In New York that
Speaker 1: I do not do it or not, and I'm happier
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. Um, but Max is what you're saying
Speaker 1: is like you're you're out there in the desert and
Speaker 1: you are made to feel so inadequate that you have
Speaker 1: to swing the other way, which is to be like,
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta work on my I gotta like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be happy with who I am. No, I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess what I was saying is just like the
Speaker 1: fever that occurs with people that like live in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles and California in general. Like it sort of allows
Speaker 1: for more like ambient like states of awareness that sort
Speaker 1: of feed into like the acceptance of sort of like
Speaker 1: almost like culti thought patterns, which is why so much
Speaker 1: of that stuff thing is able to exist there. Not
Speaker 1: to mention it's just such gorgeous by it, people are
Speaker 1: just able to think about other things. That's the thing is,
Speaker 1: It's like it also you you you're less aware of
Speaker 1: the passage of time because it's like or like things
Speaker 1: feel less like urgent because things aren't changing all the time,
Speaker 1: and it's so upset. When I was a kid and
Speaker 1: people were like there's no seasons it's it's it's fall.
Speaker 1: I just put on a card again. It's definitely a
Speaker 1: new season. No, I literally give me one perfect season
Speaker 1: at all times. I don't need it. I don't need
Speaker 1: I don't need winter. I don't know. I'm with you,
Speaker 1: well know, the worst thing you can have for me
Speaker 1: is what we're experiencing right now. The depression that I
Speaker 1: feel in this weather is unparalleled. What we hate, this humidity, humidity.
Speaker 1: It weighs me down in a way where I've never
Speaker 1: been a waste of like a weight life like I
Speaker 1: have been over the last four days. That's been crazy.
Speaker 1: I haven't left my apartment at all, just just like
Speaker 1: Dick in hand laziness. That is like so ridiculous. So
Speaker 1: I used to feel similarly to you. But then when
Speaker 1: I was sixteen, I went to Japan on an exchange program.
Speaker 1: I went to like a small town of food in
Speaker 1: called Fujinoma at the base of Mount Fuji, and like,
Speaker 1: when I stepped off that plane, I was hit with
Speaker 1: what I had never experienced before, which was a humidity
Speaker 1: wall of intensity, and I was like, holy funk, this
Speaker 1: is unreal. And I stepped outside and I was like,
Speaker 1: and I think my brain was like, I have to
Speaker 1: make an immediate decision about how to interact with this
Speaker 1: because because I'm reaching a breakin point. So this thought
Speaker 1: clicked into my head where I was like, wait, I
Speaker 1: like being in saunas. If I just think of this
Speaker 1: like a steam room, then I can basically just relax
Speaker 1: into it. And I was like, Okay, So if I'm
Speaker 1: able to remind myself that I like this sensation in
Speaker 1: other contexts, then I'm able to sort of like return
Speaker 1: to do it in a more peaceful So you just
Speaker 1: chose decision. It's made the decision to be happy. There's
Speaker 1: something wrong with you. Wrong with the body positivity movement
Speaker 1: is a sham. Yeah, there's something really wrong with you. Ever,
Speaker 1: you actually have a personality disorder? I do actually, Um
Speaker 1: but no, I definitely don't. No, definitely, I'm totally kidding you, guys.
Speaker 1: I'm a comedian. Um but well, no, I mean I
Speaker 1: get what. Yeah, that's that is. That is a very
Speaker 1: useful Listen. I have to keep checking. I have to
Speaker 1: keep lying to myself. That's what I'm actually talking back to.
Speaker 1: Is that actually lying to myself. So actually take that
Speaker 1: back where you brought it and the receipt, because do
Speaker 1: you need the gift receipt? I actually need the receipt.
Speaker 1: It is at this time time for I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: I really quickly, I want to say, I think the
Speaker 1: Abercrombie and Fitches of our youth is down to social
Speaker 1: media at large. Right. It's like going through Instagram feels
Speaker 1: like walking through Abercron Like, well, thank god that's no
Speaker 1: longer a thing. Yeah, because it's like I lived in
Speaker 1: part of our experience and stupid bitches, And do you
Speaker 1: ever think about that? Readers? So she I don't think so, Monny.
Speaker 1: This is our We take one minute. It's a segment
Speaker 1: that we have on this podcast Last Cultures Tost with
Speaker 1: Matt Rodgers and this is called Lost Culture and we
Speaker 1: just have culture comedy podcast. I'm Matt. That's okay. I
Speaker 1: know it's confusing. We're both white. Um, so I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna say that's why it was confused. That's why I
Speaker 1: was confusing. So we take one minute to reel again
Speaker 1: something in culture that we do not like or dislike
Speaker 1: or even hate. Um, I have something, Okay, what is it?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna do it right now. Okay, this
Speaker 1: is I need to know ahead of time. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: come immediately clear, because Matt Rogers, I don't think so
Speaker 1: many a time starts now. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: Dora the Explorer of the movie, Um, Dora is hot.
Speaker 1: I don't like this. You cannot make Dora the Explorer hot.
Speaker 1: Come on, vominos more like fun that like that? Um
Speaker 1: so she's got like fully beat face. She's literally supposed
Speaker 1: to be a child, you guys, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I also do not think so, honey, that we need
Speaker 1: the Dora movie. She feels like she was barely even
Speaker 1: culturally relevant, like when she was. Maybe she's not very
Speaker 1: but like, I don't love the image of Dora, like
Speaker 1: as this hot young thing. Somebody tweeted I don't know
Speaker 1: who it was, but it was like, why is Door
Speaker 1: they explore having a hot girl summer? And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this feels really crazy to me looking at them, looking
Speaker 1: at the poster, I was like, it's called Dora. And
Speaker 1: then something something something. I'm like, you know, there hasn't
Speaker 1: even been one Door a mobile. Let's just call it
Speaker 1: Door the Explorer. First, we're jumping out of ourselves. We're
Speaker 1: franchising it in a way that I don't think, so, honey,
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey, door the exploring and I'm
Speaker 1: sorry never did. And that's one minute. That's gorgeous. Wait,
Speaker 1: by the way, so I think the Cats movie looks beautiful.
Speaker 1: I think I visually think, to my eyes it's gorgeous,
Speaker 1: and I think it's gorgeous. I think it's this generation's
Speaker 1: three hundred. I think, both defining a new visual aesthetic
Speaker 1: and also gonna stoke a lot of violence the the movie. Similarly,
Speaker 1: I saw it, and I also was like, no, I
Speaker 1: mean I saw I was like, I think I maybe
Speaker 1: do want to see that. I mean, it's something I
Speaker 1: definitely won't see him when you when you when you
Speaker 1: talk about cats, like this is something we all musty.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a cultural duty to see cats,
Speaker 1: because dot to see cats, it's not dutity. But I
Speaker 1: was watching I was watching The Lion King. I went
Speaker 1: to see The Lion King, which is bad, and next
Speaker 1: to me were these women that were like, what's this
Speaker 1: when the Cat's trailer came on, And then, by the way,
Speaker 1: they narrated the whole movie of The Lion King, which
Speaker 1: couldn't have been better. It was. It was exactly what
Speaker 1: he needed. And literally, the one girl goes to the
Speaker 1: other girl, look at what they have Jennifer Hudson wearing
Speaker 1: in a second, So then Jennifer Hudson comes on screen
Speaker 1: and they all started laughing so hard and we were
Speaker 1: dying laughing. It was so funny to watch them watch
Speaker 1: this trailer for the first time. And at the end
Speaker 1: they go, well, I know what we won't be seeing,
Speaker 1: and I said, we will all be there, and then
Speaker 1: literally they all because they knew it was true. So
Speaker 1: because we will all see cats if we don't see cats,
Speaker 1: like why why why? I don't know, make movies movies
Speaker 1: if you're not going to set. It's like when they
Speaker 1: bring a dessert to the table, it's like, Okay, we
Speaker 1: didn't order it, but we're going to eat it dessert
Speaker 1: that cannot possibly be what they thought was presentable. No,
Speaker 1: it's just like it's just like, no, this isn't what
Speaker 1: I ordered and I would never order it, but I
Speaker 1: said free dessert on the table, not to say that
Speaker 1: Cats is going to be free, but like might as well.
Speaker 1: I mean, like you're not what else are you paying steal? Cats.
Speaker 1: Should we seek can we speak in the movie. Let's
Speaker 1: do that, Let's steal cats, steal cats. I know we
Speaker 1: know someone who does this someone yeah, movie steals steal Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's good at it, so we can ask for
Speaker 1: his help. I just opened up my phone to put
Speaker 1: the time round for Bell and it was just so
Speaker 1: many pictures of pile. Okay, so this is Bowen Yans.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Honey. Ready, I had such a
Speaker 1: good one and now it's gone. Oh fuck, do you
Speaker 1: need a trouble? No? No, no, no, no, um okay,
Speaker 1: I know it's okay. This is the moldings. I don't
Speaker 1: think so many of these time starts now, I don't
Speaker 1: think so many Chlorox wet wipes. Bit do not get
Speaker 1: it clean enough? And what is that lemony scent that
Speaker 1: you leave afterwards? It feels like a Clorox you know what.
Speaker 1: The scent has transcended, like the lemon verbin or whatever
Speaker 1: the fuck. The scent is now unmistakably to anyone's nostrils
Speaker 1: Chlorox wet wipes. And someone's gonna walk into my apartment
Speaker 1: and smell it smells like Clorox wet wipes, And I
Speaker 1: don't want anymore. That is, they failed. You have failed
Speaker 1: the fundamental function of your product. If you know, like
Speaker 1: thirty seconds, you've you've identified the scent, the olfactory identity
Speaker 1: of this with the product itself, and it's now it
Speaker 1: doesn't feel clean anymore. Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: Does that make sense to you? Guys? It's like, um,
Speaker 1: it's like smelling a piece of glass and saying it
Speaker 1: smells like windex And now it doesn't feel like glass anymore.
Speaker 1: It feels like a wind, a piece of wind x,
Speaker 1: a piece of wind, piece of window. So I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey, our cleaning parcuts. There has to be
Speaker 1: a real change that happens in the culture in order
Speaker 1: for cleaning PROCs smell like cleaning parks anymore, so that
Speaker 1: our products don't smell like cleaning products. And that's one minute.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I thought you were going in the direction
Speaker 1: of like a wet wife you use on your butthole,
Speaker 1: because we famously talked about buttholes earlier in the you
Speaker 1: and that would be a bleaching to be bleaching to.
Speaker 1: But then someone who goes down there will say, like
Speaker 1: your as smells chlorine, They're gonna honestly. Yeah, they would
Speaker 1: take the chloros and they'd be like mommy, mommy, but
Speaker 1: maybe someone but maybe hb A. You know that's the
Speaker 1: actual experience that yeah, he gets as eate and then
Speaker 1: they go, yeah, just swift for wet jet. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like you can walk smells like swiffer. You know,
Speaker 1: it smells like the product. You're right, it's so mass
Speaker 1: marketed now that it's like we all know that smell,
Speaker 1: and so we're gonna that's why you need candles. You
Speaker 1: cannot clean your apartment, so you did not clean. That's
Speaker 1: why you need to live in the Okay, I think
Speaker 1: it's a time for back twitter. It's wait, has somebody
Speaker 1: done this one before? What? I can't? Okay, you start
Speaker 1: doing it and someone's then it will stop matter and
Speaker 1: it also doesn't matter. We won't stop over there. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is expuitters. I don't think so money. It's time
Speaker 1: starts now. I don't think so honey. Umbrellas has been
Speaker 1: no okay, great, wait can you start my time? Okay, fine, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: Umbrellas are just working like mass mass marketed, like litter.
Speaker 1: They're just like it is just made in gigantic quantities.
Speaker 1: They should also absolutely be like a city utility. I
Speaker 1: shouldn't have paper. Then I've never been able to hold
Speaker 1: on doing ambrell for more than one fucking years. I
Speaker 1: should be able to walk out of a location, grab
Speaker 1: one of the umbrellas that's in the bucket, use it,
Speaker 1: and then just like throw it in another bucket like
Speaker 1: a city bike. Second, it is just like a known
Speaker 1: fact that rain does not come from a of It
Speaker 1: comes from all fucking directions. So when when you use umbrella,
Speaker 1: it doesn't do fucking anything. All they do is like
Speaker 1: serve as like these like lacerating. Yes, and the only
Speaker 1: used for an umbrella is to use as a as
Speaker 1: a defense against other umbrellas because I am risking my vision.
Speaker 1: I literally five seconds core to get out of the
Speaker 1: way of your umbrellas. I don't think so. I don't
Speaker 1: think that beautiful. And the thing the problem I have
Speaker 1: with umbrellas is that they're so easily lost. Yes, because
Speaker 1: I guess what, you just turned this big thing into trash.
Speaker 1: You just threw it on the streets somewhere. I don't
Speaker 1: have a roommate anymore, but my roommate took my umbrella,
Speaker 1: bitch and my room who doesn't. But you don't have
Speaker 1: an umbrella. You don't have you don't have a roommate.
Speaker 1: Roommate took your umbrella. My umbrellas. I can only say,
Speaker 1: I'm not lying there to be stolen. That's the thing
Speaker 1: that's like, it becomes like the wild West out there
Speaker 1: when you see an umbrella and you're in a carrious
Speaker 1: situation where you're gonna get rained on. That's why I
Speaker 1: just say, keep in mind, we're under the same sky.
Speaker 1: That's from the song Kissed the Rain by Billy Myers,
Speaker 1: and that's why I'm it's from my roundable they saying
Speaker 1: that you have to just kiss the rains? Can I
Speaker 1: also add an addendum on the mind that I just
Speaker 1: thought about. But you go first. Well, you know, like
Speaker 1: the sharing an umbrella, it's like, who do you think
Speaker 1: you're fucking kidding that it barely works for one fucking person.
Speaker 1: You think two people are going to get under it.
Speaker 1: To be honestly, I'm always the old, taller one, so
Speaker 1: I always have to hold it, and I don't think
Speaker 1: so high. Yeah, And if I have to hold it,
Speaker 1: I'm piste off. And if the other person is holding it.
Speaker 1: They're not holding over me, right, And I have to
Speaker 1: add what fucking sucking huddle under their under their little
Speaker 1: little little and that's what destroys friendship. My addendam wet
Speaker 1: and die. And this is my addendum to that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't. There's no such thing as an investment piece umbrella.
Speaker 1: You cannot invest in a nice umbrella because it's, as
Speaker 1: Matt's sad established, the only get stolen and you lose
Speaker 1: them and you it's it's it's not an investing peacepace.
Speaker 1: You can't store it away somewhere that where it's going
Speaker 1: to be guaranteed safe. But can I do in pression
Speaker 1: if you just that's my PRESI of you bet. This
Speaker 1: is the title of episode is actually really calls your
Speaker 1: number one DTY four. This has been a fabulous episode
Speaker 1: because of the most fabulous episode. And here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Max Twitter is very talented and he has the gift
Speaker 1: of gab. And that's why we had had such a
Speaker 1: great episode because amongst your many gifts is also gab.
Speaker 1: It's also we they any time I have a conversation
Speaker 1: with the Max Twitter, ever, winding, it takes a winding,
Speaker 1: term takes ever a winding term. We covered a lot
Speaker 1: of culture, a lot of culture. Remember in the earlier
Speaker 1: in the episode when it was very serious culture about fashion,
Speaker 1: let me kind of cross over into more like you
Speaker 1: know it takes on yes on women? Is that what
Speaker 1: you just And also I would call this episode so
Speaker 1: fashionating if that wasn't already the title of Max and
Speaker 1: Ruby's pod, which you should absolutely listen to. Max, I
Speaker 1: cannot wait for your fashion week coverage. Thank you. What's
Speaker 1: what's next? What's coming up next New York Fashion? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well I know I think it starts off doesn't start in.
Speaker 1: I don't know either. I just I just fashion is both.
Speaker 1: I take what comes at fashion is liberating, but it's
Speaker 1: also a prison whatever. Um. Anyway, this has been so special,
Speaker 1: But we also can I just like plug is that okay?
Speaker 1: So come to get real every month with me and Joe.
Speaker 1: It's really really fun. We have comedians dub over movie
Speaker 1: clips live, um, and you guys are gonna love it.
Speaker 1: I think this coming month we're gonna in August we're
Speaker 1: gonna Western's maybe, so that'll be cute. Also, I have
Speaker 1: a solo show coming up on Union Hall right now,
Speaker 1: I'm working between two titles. So, okay, so what we
Speaker 1: may not have established that I'm also a cartoonist, yes
Speaker 1: said illustrated, I black out everything. I'm vitamin B division.
Speaker 1: I don't make new memories. But so it's gonna be
Speaker 1: like an all illustrated solo show. And I'm so I'm
Speaker 1: demanding between two titles. One is uh Max were Portrait
Speaker 1: of the Artist seated with grapes or um Max Twitter?
Speaker 1: I forgot something but something is spelled wrong because I
Speaker 1: was desperately typing title ideas to some friends and UM,
Speaker 1: I misspelled something, but I like the way that it looked,
Speaker 1: So it's like something spelled like th h I J
Speaker 1: G B or something I like. Um, I like, I
Speaker 1: like portrait of an artist city with grapes, and I
Speaker 1: like the ladder. So it'll be up to the readers
Speaker 1: now us. No, Actually, we're gonna put up a poll
Speaker 1: when this episode comes out, and not only then will
Speaker 1: we find out what your show is. Even if it
Speaker 1: comes out only two days before your show, you're just
Speaker 1: gonna have to advertise it as the untitled Max Word
Speaker 1: solo show that is so queer it's really yeah, this
Speaker 1: podcast actually is really queer and oh my god, I
Speaker 1: forgot to ask you guys this is a safe space? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: actually wait and then you can release yeah sorry, okay,
Speaker 1: then you can't release my episode until it is no.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't we end every episode with
Speaker 1: the song? Okay, what do you want me to sing? No,
Speaker 1: you actually are I've actually banned from singing. If you
Speaker 1: cut it down, then you'll never You'll never cry to
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