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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Clubs. Are you ready for

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Speaker 1: a Break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah? And so much for that.

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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, Am bar Garcia, and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, February tenth, twenty twenty one, Season sixteen,

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Speaker 1: episode number ninety seven. Welcome to the latest edition of

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Speaker 1: The Break. I'm live from that s WBC Mortgage studios

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Speaker 1: at the start, and we are presented by Geico got

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Speaker 1: Nick here with me in studio. We got David amber

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Speaker 1: on remotely. We're gonna talk offense today. We've been talking

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Speaker 1: offense to the last couple of shows, but we're going

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Speaker 1: to finish up that offensive review today, talking a little

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Speaker 1: You'll also get to some fan questions. My hope is

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Speaker 1: least an entire segment of the show on fan questions,

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Speaker 1: because I know you guys always give me a hard

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Speaker 1: time because I usually don't get to questions. But hopefully

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Speaker 1: we'll get a chance to do that here and get

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Speaker 1: a lot of your questions out there and answer some

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Speaker 1: of those questions before we get started today. I quickly

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Speaker 1: just wanted to say something. I'm sure those of you

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Speaker 1: who are out there listening have seen all the stuff

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Speaker 1: about the hype video, and there's been a bunch of

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Speaker 1: stuff out there, and I just wanted to say to

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Speaker 1: you guys, because the way I look at it is,

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Speaker 1: if you're sitting on this podcast in February, you're the

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Speaker 1: people I'm most concerned about, Like you are our core customer,

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Speaker 1: and you expect greatness from us. And I just wanted

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Speaker 1: to say to you, guys, we've felled you in this instance.

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Speaker 1: We will be better. We apologize, but we certainly will

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Speaker 1: be better. And I want you guys to know, because

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Speaker 1: I care about what you guys think, that we're going

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Speaker 1: to be better. We're going to fix some things and

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Speaker 1: we'll be better than this. And that's where I want

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Speaker 1: to leave that. I did want to say, though, Nick,

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Speaker 1: after last week's show, we had actually an interesting conversation

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Speaker 1: on DAK in last week's show. It probably took a

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Speaker 1: lot more of the show than we even expected, because

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Speaker 1: you had a question that you wanted to throw out there,

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Speaker 1: and I think after the show, at least what you said,

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Speaker 1: I saw you put it on Twitter two that you

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Speaker 1: think people didn't really quite understand or get the full

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Speaker 1: brunt of what you were trying to say in your

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Speaker 1: question and what you were saying after that. I wanted

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Speaker 1: I'm not even sure I didn't understood what I was

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Speaker 1: trying to say until later, until some of the Twitter

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Speaker 1: I would say arguments, but just kind of the back

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Speaker 1: and forth. So a lot of times on this show,

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Speaker 1: when when we say certain things, if you don't agree

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Speaker 1: with everyone, you get put in a different corner of like,

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Speaker 1: well this is this is where your take is. There's

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Speaker 1: people that think that I hate Dak, or I'm a

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Speaker 1: you know, I think that that Dak has room to grow,

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Speaker 1: and we all think that way. So I'll just tell

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Speaker 1: you right now where I stand, if there's any clarity,

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Speaker 1: this is where I stand about Dak Prescott. I think

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Speaker 1: he is a really good quarterback. I think the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: should resign him. I think for sure that's what they

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Speaker 1: need to do. That's their best option for them to win.

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Speaker 1: You were at you asked me where a lot of

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Speaker 1: is can the Cowboys? This is my biggest issue more

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Speaker 1: than with Dak. Can the Cowboys field a team around

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Speaker 1: Now he's got to make forty million a year. Can

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Speaker 1: I had a conversation with someone about this whole hype

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Speaker 1: to me, there are three things. If you're a Cowboys

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Speaker 1: and I probably should have done him in inverse order

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Speaker 1: you get those three pieces back, that is where Cowboys

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Speaker 1: fans probably look at this and they're like, that's the hope,

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Speaker 1: So whatever the thoughts are about what you gotta pay

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Speaker 1: him and all that, look, they got to figure that out.

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Speaker 1: And I'm talking about the Cowboys exactly. They gotta figure

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Speaker 1: with Dak, I know what I'm getting, which is a

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Speaker 1: can move on to other topics, because there are other

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Speaker 1: assuming Tyrn and Lyle return at full strength, do you

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Speaker 1: Do they make that much of a difference. Let's start

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Speaker 1: first with you, Amber. Yeah, yes, but that's just so

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Speaker 1: difficult to say, because yes, talent wise, we've seen it

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Speaker 1: turn on the tape of the Super Bowl and tell

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Speaker 1: me of having your starting tackles makes a difference. And

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Speaker 1: I'm you know, I guess I'm a Bucks hater now again,

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Speaker 1: like there's no room for nuance, Like everybody thinks I

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Speaker 1: hate the Bucks. The Bucks deserve all the credit in

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Speaker 1: the world for getting the job done. But go back

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Speaker 1: Maybe the Chiefs don't win, but it's definitely not a beatdown.

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Speaker 1: So yes, yes, Lyle Collins and Tyron Smith can make

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Speaker 1: four to six years of healthy football, if this surgery

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Speaker 1: gonna play sixteen games, um, but if he can, hell yeah,

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Speaker 1: it'll make a world of difference. And if Dak, Lyle

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Speaker 1: at the Star Wars doing our offensive review. We did

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Speaker 1: that for the last two shows. We're wrapping it up

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Speaker 1: today talking about the offensive line and the tight end position.

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Speaker 1: Let's move to the center position. Joe Looney and Tyler

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Speaker 1: Battish were the two players that played at that position

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Speaker 1: this year. I obviously Tyler was the rookie coming in

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Speaker 1: that they spent a fifth round draft pick on. And

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Speaker 1: then you had a who's been here for a while,

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Speaker 1: been a backup most of that time, but has had

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Speaker 1: some time as a starter going into next season. Who

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Speaker 1: should be the starting center for the Dallas Cowboys To

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Speaker 1: start with, you, Dave, I absolutely love Joe Looney. If

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Speaker 1: you follow the team by now, you know all about

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Speaker 1: his personality and all of that. He's obviously he has

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Speaker 1: more than delivered on what the Cowboys signed him to do.

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Speaker 1: You know, they signed him as their like jumbo flex

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Speaker 1: extra interior alignment and he's started multiple seasons and done

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Speaker 1: so well. All of that said, they drafted Tyler Biadas.

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Speaker 1: He was impressive early. He's got higher potential than Joe

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Speaker 1: Looney in my opinion. He was one of the best

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Speaker 1: offensive linemen in college football. The big question with him

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Speaker 1: coming out of the draft was whether he could stay healthy.

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Speaker 1: I know he had injury issues last year, but those

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Speaker 1: had nothing to do with the hip problems that bothered

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Speaker 1: him in college. So all of that said, he's younger,

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Speaker 1: he's cheaper, he's got higher upside. I'd love to bring

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Speaker 1: Joe Looney back, but I absolutely think be honest should

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Speaker 1: be your you know, prohibitive starter heading into it. Amber

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Speaker 1: I agree with all that. I would think that Tyler

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Speaker 1: is ready to just take over. I mean, we saw

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Speaker 1: him do it last year for a period of time.

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Speaker 1: I absolutely love Joe Looney. I would absolutely try to

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Speaker 1: maintain to keep him here, give him possibly another one

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Speaker 1: year deal. I think he's a guy that gives you

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Speaker 1: that position flex, you know, with all these injuries that

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Speaker 1: a couple of different positions in case you need it.

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Speaker 1: And again, you I mean, it's just like, what do

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Speaker 1: you call that game? I can't think of the name,

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Speaker 1: but basically, you're you know, you know that at one

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Speaker 1: point or another, you're gonna need all your guys and

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Speaker 1: you're gonna see all these guys on the field. So

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Speaker 1: you're gonna see Joe Looney if he stays here at

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Speaker 1: one point or another and he has all the experience needed.

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Speaker 1: So I absolutely trust him. I do hope that the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys are able to get a good deal from him

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Speaker 1: for another year. Nick, I thank you. I think they

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Speaker 1: bring Looney back. But yeah, I think the uh idea

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Speaker 1: would be to try to see if you know, be honest,

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Speaker 1: could win the job. And you know, we'll see if

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Speaker 1: the draft brings anybody else that that that's got that

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Speaker 1: you know, position flex or maybe you know, maybe Connor McGovern,

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Speaker 1: you know that's been talked about, Connor McGovern, even Connor

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Speaker 1: Williams to do some some center uh you know situations.

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Speaker 1: So but I think be honest, you know, a year,

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Speaker 1: he needs a year in the weight room and really

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Speaker 1: gonna you know, get get get stronger, get better. But

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, his error was pointed up. I

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Speaker 1: was a little surprised though that he didn't get the

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Speaker 1: job back, or didn't get the job at the end

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Speaker 1: of the year. So I kind of thought he might.

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Speaker 1: But did you read anything into that that maybe they

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Speaker 1: thought that Looney is still a better player and they

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Speaker 1: felt like offensive line, a line needed the better player. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I thought I thought it was going to the to

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Speaker 1: the course of like we really want to play the

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Speaker 1: oddish year, and so when Looney gets hurt and he

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Speaker 1: you know, if that's if that's the way it was,

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Speaker 1: then then I do agree with both of them that

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Speaker 1: they you know, you resigned Joe and just see see

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Speaker 1: what happens. They'd you read something into that. Oh no,

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Speaker 1: if I read I mean I guess. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you're gonna read something into it, it's that the coaches

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Speaker 1: didn't think Tyler was as good as we did. Because yeah,

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Speaker 1: I haven't thought about it in a while, but I

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Speaker 1: remember thinking it was weird because like, like they had sucked.

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Speaker 1: I know that they were technically in the playoff race,

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Speaker 1: but like play your younger players and let them get

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Speaker 1: the experience. I did. I did think that was weird,

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Speaker 1: But I don't make too too much of it. Like

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Speaker 1: if if Joe Looney doesn't resign, I don't think that

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Speaker 1: they're gonna be in a panic about not having a

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Speaker 1: starting caliber center, you know what I mean? Yeah, Amber,

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Speaker 1: the way I saw it, the way I saw it,

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Speaker 1: was that around that time was when the Cowboys were

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Speaker 1: finally able to start seeing some consistency on the old line,

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Speaker 1: And it was around that point where we talked about it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you want to try to keep your five

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Speaker 1: guys and just keep them together, because it does get

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Speaker 1: tricky when you have so many moving peace and I

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Speaker 1: feel like that was around the time where they were

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Speaker 1: starting to kind of click a little bit, just starting

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Speaker 1: to play a little bit better than what we had seen.

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Speaker 1: So maybe they just wanted to keep the same pieces

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Speaker 1: as as soon as they started seeing some improvement. But

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Speaker 1: I don't think it was necessarily anything against be Hodest,

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Speaker 1: But that's just how I saw it. Yeah, I kind

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Speaker 1: of agree with you, but I kind of think it

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Speaker 1: was a thing that was more about the circumstances than

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Speaker 1: it was about either one of the players, because I think,

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Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I think there wasn't an

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Speaker 1: appreciable difference, in my opinion between the way the two

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Speaker 1: guys played. I just think that they were starting to

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Speaker 1: as a unit. They looked like they were a bit

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Speaker 1: better at the time when Beast was coming back, So

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Speaker 1: I think they probably just opted to stick with what

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Speaker 1: they were already doing, you know. And another part of

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Speaker 1: that too is that you know, without Zach Martin there,

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Speaker 1: you know, like it's with with Looney, you need some

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Speaker 1: veteran presence. So I think if Martin would have been there,

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Speaker 1: especially been there playing right guard next to be honest,

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Speaker 1: I think it probably would be a better situation that

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Speaker 1: he could keep going and growing. But but you know

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Speaker 1: the fact that he wasn't there. You know, you have

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Speaker 1: Steel over there. Brandon Knights played you know, twenty, you know,

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Speaker 1: twelve games or so. Connor Williams has played like thirty games,

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Speaker 1: and he's like the old veteran of the group. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: having Looney there I do think was important for you know,

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Speaker 1: established veteran. You mentioned Connor Williams. He was the only

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Speaker 1: player that was projected to be a starter going into

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Speaker 1: last season. They played all sixteen games. How would you

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Speaker 1: assess his play from last year? Nick, We'll start with you. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, he was the most consistent player on the team.

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Speaker 1: I think he played the most stop the team. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: let me finish. Sorry, okay, sorry, he was out well,

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Speaker 1: he was out there the most. Okay, his his availability

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Speaker 1: was the most. He played the snap more than any

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Speaker 1: player on the team. Um, but he was. He was

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Speaker 1: you know, he's up and down. I mean, he's he

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Speaker 1: want to get a little better there. At times you

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Speaker 1: feel like he's not strong enough. Sometimes it feels like

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Speaker 1: he's out of position. Um. You know, it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: interesting next year. I do think Connor is going to

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Speaker 1: start at left guard, but I don't know which one.

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Speaker 1: I do think that. I do think there will be

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Speaker 1: a Connor. I mean, I just I think McGovern might

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Speaker 1: be better. Honestly, Okay, we're gonna have that conversation. Hold

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Speaker 1: all right, but what do you think? Sorry? What was

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Speaker 1: the question? How would you evaluate Connor Williams play last season?

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Speaker 1: Very simple? He was the least of my worries when

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Speaker 1: he came down to the l line. I mean, he was,

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Speaker 1: like Nick just mentioned, he was the most Uh, he

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Speaker 1: got the most consistency out of him because he wasn't injured.

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Speaker 1: You know, he did get banged up at one point

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Speaker 1: in the season, but it wasn't anything major. So he

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Speaker 1: was the only player that you got the most out

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Speaker 1: of from the old lineman. So that it's hard to

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Speaker 1: criticize someone that was able to give you that when

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Speaker 1: you got so many other issues around the whole old line.

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Speaker 1: So I think that, yeah, you're looking for improvement there,

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Speaker 1: but right now it's just I'm hoping to see some competition.

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping to see that we are able to get

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Speaker 1: a preseason this year and get good use of like

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Speaker 1: really utilize those games to put those guys out there

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Speaker 1: on both sides. Put them both Connors on both sides,

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Speaker 1: and see how they both perform, and just make it

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Speaker 1: a good training camp competition. There's nothing wrong with that,

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00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: and just see who's better, and then you make the

644
00:31:52,600 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: decision from there. Dave, I think the biggest did we

645
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: lose you the biggest? What? Tell you what we'll do.

646
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: We're gonna come back to Dave. We'll go back, go

647
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: on to the next question a half you guys and

648
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: they will hit Dave. There he is, You're back, You're

649
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: the biggest. What the biggest? I don't know what happened.

650
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: We heard you say the biggest. The biggest problem with

651
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: Connor is I know that he's gotten stronger over the

652
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: course of his NFL career, but he still hasn't developed

653
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: into that super strong, anchored offensive guard that you just

654
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: can't move. And so you know he gets pushed into

655
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: the backfield by good defensive tackles from time to time,

656
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: and it stands out. Like you know, you always say,

657
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: if nobody notices you, you're doing your job well. When

658
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: you get bullied into the quarterbacks lap, sometimes people notice it. Um,

659
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean he had a bad season, but I

660
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: guess that's probably his deficiency. I think he was fine,

661
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: especially when you consider that he didn't have Tyron next

662
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: to him and didn't have you know, he had a

663
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: rookie playing center for a lot of the season as well. Yeah,

664
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: I you know, if Connor McGovern can take that job

665
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: in training camp, that's totally fine with me if you

666
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: really want to, if you really want to dig deep.

667
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: You know, Nick kind of mentioned it. If you were

668
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: to draft a guy like Rashaan Slater number ten overall,

669
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: and Tyrant Smith is healthy, Actually think he could play

670
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: a guard for a year if you wanted him too.

671
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: And I know that's getting way ahead of ourselves, but

672
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: I'm happy with the job Connor Williams has done, but

673
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: not to the point that I think his job is

674
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: completely secure. You know, it's going to be interesting when

675
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: you look at draft day here that you know here's

676
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: a guy at the end of his contract one year left.

677
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they'll do this with him, but those

678
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: are the kind of guys that maybe have a little

679
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: bit of trade value if you wanted a pick, if

680
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: you wanted a third round fourth rounder maybe you know,

681
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: and another team's like, okay, we can we get this guy,

682
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: and now we still have to sign him. But he's

683
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: a starting, capable guy. And that's just if the Cowboys

684
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: know that that McGovern, you know, can compete or be better,

685
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: or they've already drafted someone in the draft or whatever.

686
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: But if they draft, like like Dave said, draft a

687
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: guy like that, like a Slater from Northwestern, then I

688
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: think you're looking at draft day and you might maybe

689
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: try to move Connor. This is a contract year for him,

690
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: and he's like, you know, he probably wants to start.

691
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a big deal. He doesn't want

692
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: to move to tackle and be a swing tackle in

693
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: his contract year. You know, so unless unless one of

694
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: those guys gets hurt and then he goes in there

695
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: and plays and then he shows what kind of value

696
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: he's got, and then you know he might actually want that,

697
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: And I don't know, Yeah, I mean as I looked

698
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: at Connor last year, I actually thought he was better

699
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: than he was the year before, which is what you want.

700
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: You want guys to develop and be better. I thought

701
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: he was better. Is he where you want to be?

702
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think so, but also think that's also

703
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 1: a function of who he had around him as well.

704
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: Like you got to remember, through much of his career

705
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: so far, he's had all pros around him, and last

706
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 1: year he did not. He had he was the veteran.

707
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: He was the grizzled veteran that was telling guys. You know,

708
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: that was probably the one that was having to tell guys, hey,

709
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: we need pay us attention to this, we need to

710
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: do this. Hey you might not want to do that, right,

711
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: And so it kind of flipped a little bit. But

712
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: I do think he was better than he's been. I

713
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: will say this though, and it's just as a big

714
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: overall thing about the Cowboys, I do think they have to,

715
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: in my opinion, invest one of their top three picks

716
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: on an offensive lineman, because the way I look at

717
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: it is it's even it's not necessarily about this year,

718
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: although the depth is something that you absolutely need. It's

719
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: about the fact that this team, if it's going to

720
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: be offense driven, which it looks like it's going to be.

721
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: I think when this offense functions best, and probably any

722
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: offense in the league, is when your offensive line is strong.

723
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: You look at some really great quarterbacks around the league,

724
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: and Russell Wilson think about what's going on right now

725
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 1: down in in Seattle, like you got a really great

726
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: quarterback that just says it throughout his career, has had

727
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: issues with his offensive line being able to protect him.

728
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 1: I think if you want to get the maximum value

729
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: of your quarterback, you gotta put the offensive line in

730
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: place first and foremost. And when the Cowboys have been

731
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: successful here in the last few years, it's been because

732
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: their offensive line was the epicenter of everything that happened

733
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: for them. So I think they got to start rebuilding that.

734
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: And I think that starts with this draft and every

735
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: year from here for the next couple of years, three years,

736
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: I would probably be investing one those top three picks

737
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: in an offensive lineman. Trying to prepare for the future.

738
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: I did have one more question I have for you

739
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: guys on the offensive line before we move on to

740
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: tight end. You mentioned Connor McGovern, did you think Connor

741
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: McGovern showed enough to be able to possibly compete for

742
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: the starting left guard spot over Connor Williams. We'll start

743
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: with you Amber. Well, like I said earlier, I think

744
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: that you just swave it up to training camp and

745
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: hopefully some preseason games. I definitely think he showed enough

746
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: to go out there and deserve a chance to compete

747
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: the first starting job. But it's it's just a tough

748
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: one because we keep talking about all these guys coming

749
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: back and being healthy, but you don't. It's hard to

750
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: have a clear image of what you're actually gonna have

751
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: on the field. So that's what I would like to see.

752
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: Just see them out there and competing. Just have a

753
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: legit competition during training camp and see who wins the job.

754
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: But I definitely think that he has the ability to

755
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: compete for that job and possibly even get it. Dave,

756
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: I'm sorry if this is boring. I just don't feel

757
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: particularly strongly one way or the other. Yeah, I mean,

758
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: let him go to training camp and sort it out.

759
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: I would be I think Connor McGovern was good enough

760
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: last year that I wouldn't you know. I think he

761
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: deserves a shot at a starting job and if he

762
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: can take it, that's great. But I also think Connor

763
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: Williams is just fine too, So go get after it,

764
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: big guys. The only thing else I add to that is,

765
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: I mean it's hard to have an old line competition,

766
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: you know, like Amber said, because you want that continuity.

767
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you want to build them, especially if you're

768
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: trying to play like the oddest. You want them to

769
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: kind of have all that again, you got to keep

770
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: rotating guys in and there. Or you could say I'm

771
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: going to prepare you for the season because it's exactly

772
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: what happened last year. You don't know who was playing

773
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: offensive line, you know, gained the game. But if if

774
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: they think that it's not they're not gonna sign Connor

775
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: Williams next year, you know, and maybe McGovern's got more upside,

776
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: then I could see where it's like, if it's kind

777
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: of either or, then I would probably go with McGovern

778
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: and and say, all right, well he's gonna be here

779
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: for the for the future a little bit. But I

780
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: don't know that about Connor Williams. I mean, maybe they're

781
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: trying to work on a deal. I don't I don't know. Yeah,

782
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: I would think there's another deal they could work on though,

783
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: but Nicky's good to happen if they signed Connor Williams

784
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: to a deal, Oh my god, right now, I don't

785
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 1: even go there. All right, Yeah, but what're you boys saying?

786
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: I was gonna say you, I mean me personally, I

787
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: don't really need to see much from Sike Martin. I

788
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: just needed him healthy. He can work on the sideline,

789
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: work on the fans and all that. Both corners leete

790
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: and there we go. I love that idea. That's it.

791
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 1: If anything, you're training the other guy to be a backup,

792
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: and all pros don't need to play, especially when the

793
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: sidelines until we get back from training camp, especially when

794
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: they could just move him to tackle, and he's he

795
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: looks like an all pro in there, so you know,

796
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: like if he could do that, and then that means

797
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: he could just sit there for a while in Oxnard.

798
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: If that's where we're going, and um, you know so, yeah,

799
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Speaker 1: I miss it Martin. In the hyper field, we're gonna

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00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,279
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00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,000
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00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: back we'll talk a little bit about the tight end position.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, no, we we'll talk about tight end position

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854
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: us expected him to play to the level that he did,

855
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: and he played to such a level that the question becomes,

856
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: do you think he has done enough to possibly even

857
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: earn the starting job ahead of Blake Jarwood, who will

858
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: be coming back from injury. Nicko, Let's star would even

859
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: make you good? Um? I I don't know if if

860
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: I expect I can answer, let me finish. I don't

861
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: know if I expected that kind of season out of Jarwin.

862
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: I really didn't. What did you know if you if

863
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: you would sign him and you say, Okay, he's gonna

864
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: catch sixty passes and he's gonna get four or five touchdowns,

865
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: and he's gonna not make the Pro Bowl, but you're

866
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: gonna wonder if maybe he should have. And you're like, oh, well,

867
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: that's a good year. And that's pretty much what Chultz said.

868
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 1: And what that tells me is that when this thing's

869
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: really cooking and the offensive the receivers are going and

870
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 1: running back and all that, that that tight end's gonna

871
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: be able to make some places. I do think Jarwin

872
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: gives you more down the field stuff. I mean, Schulta

873
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: average is five or six yards to catch. I mean

874
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: it's not much, but he was he was there, he

875
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: caught the ball. Well, he has surprised me, for sure.

876
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: I didn't think he. I wasn't sure he's gonna be

877
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: on the team, so he surprised me. But I do

878
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: think Jarwin gives you a little bit more explosiveness down

879
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: the field. So you would still go back to Jarwin

880
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 1: as you're projected starter. Who blocks better? That's my question?

881
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 1: Did not you have any answer for that? That's when

882
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: training camp? Who blocks better? And I think it would

883
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: be Jarwin. He should be taller and should give you

884
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:26,959
Speaker 1: a little bit more leverage. I don't know, Okay, Amber, Well,

885
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: Jarwin husband my guy, So I would go back to

886
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: him if he's healthy and back in his shape that

887
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: he was before he got injured. And it was very

888
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: unfortunate because I was really excited. And the tricky part is,

889
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: we know how tricky training camp is. I mean, we

890
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: see some things at training camp and then the season

891
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: starts and then he just disappears. Yeah, I don't I

892
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 1: don't understand why that happens, but it happens, so to me, hopefully,

893
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: I wasn't blinded by what I was seeing last year's

894
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: serious training camp, but I remember being very very impressed

895
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: with what Blake Jarwin was doing. I was very very

896
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: excited about what he could do last year, but then

897
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: he got hurt. So I'm hoping that he gets back

898
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: in there. I do think, yeah, Dalton, I mean, because

899
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 1: he did it last year, he definitely has a chance

900
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: to compete for the starting job. But at the end

901
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: of the day, my own preference would be to just

902
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: go back to Blake Jarwin because I've seen so much

903
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: more out of him that I've liked rather than what

904
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: I've seen from Dalton Schultz, although he was impressive last year,

905
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: not expect Schultz to do what he was able to

906
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: do at all, Dave, I didn't ride the Jarwin bandwagon

907
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,919
Speaker 1: this long to hop off now. I expected a better

908
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: season from Jarwin than what they got from Schultz. You know,

909
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: Jarwin had or I'm sorry, Schultz had what sixty three

910
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 1: catches for six fifteen. He averaged just under nine yards

911
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 1: per catch. I know it's a much smaller sample size,

912
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: but Blake Jarwin has flirted with twelve yards per catch

913
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: over the course of his career. To Nick's point, he's

914
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: a better downfield, explosive athlete. We've seen what he can

915
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: do in the seam. I think he would have had

916
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: an even better season than Schultz did if he had

917
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: stayed healthy. So I'm riding with him all day. And

918
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: on top of that, they ran two hundred and twenty

919
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: snaps of twelve personnel last year, like there is room

920
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: enough for both of these guys in the offense. I

921
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: don't care who is on the field for the first

922
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: snap of the game, it doesn't matter. But I think

923
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: that they could be a really good one two punch

924
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: But Jarwin's a big part of that. That's the part

925
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about. On that one two punch. I

926
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: think it's a one three punch, honestly, because my number

927
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: two guys got to block someone, and I don't know

928
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: if both those guys out there can really block, you know,

929
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: I mean, well, I think it's unfair to be able.

930
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: I don't think we could judge that this year because

931
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: I think there was so many problems at tackle that

932
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: I couldn't really tell all the time if if if

933
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: the tight end was a problem as much as the

934
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: tackle was the problem. Signing Blake Bell, I'm tell you that,

935
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: But that was actually be my next question. Yeah, what

936
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: what did you see from Blake Bell this year? Because

937
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: I think we all expected coming in he was going

938
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: to be a real, a sure black blocker for you.

939
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: And and my question is did you think you got

940
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: what you expected? Um? Maybe not as much, but but

941
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: I think that he needs to be on the field more,

942
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: and I would I'm sorry, I'm using him more. How

943
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: are you going to do that? You got all these

944
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: guys that are playmakers at the wide receiver position, Who

945
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: are you taking off the field? I don't know, he

946
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 1: needs to block, but he needs to block more though

947
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: I don't need all those playmakers. I wanted Zeke to

948
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: run the ball and I want him to block, and

949
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: I want him to have a few Gadget plays and

950
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: I want him to to make I mean, that doesn't

951
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: seem to be this offense. This offense seems to be

952
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: an eleven personnel offense, right, changing just do something different,

953
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,919
Speaker 1: change offense. You disagree with that? He agrees he wants

954
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: to see more out of Blake Bell. He said it

955
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: several times. No, I absolutely, I mean, I want Blake

956
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: Bell to be yardage and I if they want to

957
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 1: resign him, that's absolutely fine. But like, I don't want

958
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: to be part of conversations about blocking tight ends. Get

959
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: no way. I'm no, I'm here to throw them. I'm

960
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 1: here to wing it around the yard, score forty points

961
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: a game. I want two tight ends to have fifty

962
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: catches and five touchdowns each. I want eleven personnel like

963
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 1: seventy five percent of the time. Kind of like talk

964
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: about that. No, I'm with you on that. I actually

965
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,919
Speaker 1: agree with calling that day. I'm yeah, oh no, why

966
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: because the past interference penalties call in the end zone

967
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: that puts you on the one, winging it around the yard.

968
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: It sounds really good, but sometimes there's nut cutting time

969
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: and you've got to push someone back up the one

970
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: yard line and these tight ends, and this offensive line

971
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: doesn't do it. So just give me the ability to

972
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: do a little bit of both. I get it, that's

973
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: not the bread and butter of what they do. But

974
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: at times, don't tell me they can block because it's

975
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: a te on their name. That doesn't mean that they're

976
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: tough and they can block. I want to. I want

977
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: somebody that can do that. No, I get that, But

978
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: I also think if your offensive line is doing their jobs,

979
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: then when you get on the one yard line, run

980
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: behind Tyren Smith, run behind Zack Marden like you don't

981
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: necessarily need to run like out there by that tight end.

982
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: And by the way, there's a lot of creative things

983
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: you can do where you don't necessarily have to run

984
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: the ball, but you can have safer plays that still

985
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,479
Speaker 1: can get you into the end zone. All I'm saying

986
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: is I'm a lot less worried about that about what

987
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: they do on the one yard line. If this offensive

988
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: line can do its job, which again we've already talked

989
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: about it, that's all the matter of them staying healthy.

990
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: If they're healthy, I think they can do it. If

991
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: they're not healthy, then you gotta crap you. And you

992
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 1: know what, if you're not going to get a blocking

993
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: tight end, it's fine, But can we act like it's

994
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty six and can we get a fullback again?

995
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: You need one of them, is what you're saying. He

996
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: needs something, Give me one somebody to block amber. What

997
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on this? Well, I'm no coach and

998
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: I certainly have never played football, but is this so

999
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: hard to train a tight end to learn how to

1000
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: blog better? I mean, why can't you just get a

1001
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: little bit of both out of them? Like? Why does

1002
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: it have to be one way or the other? Do

1003
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: you guys have an answer for that? Because I don't know.

1004
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: I mean, the short answer is college football programs don't

1005
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: play that style of football, and the vast majority of

1006
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: tight ends just don't really learn how to do it.

1007
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: And for that matter, you know, to get downfield the

1008
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: way that a lot of passing offenses want you to,

1009
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: you need to be slimmer than the two hundred and

1010
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: sixty pound tight ends of your So, I mean that's

1011
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 1: the short answer, this is tricky. I guess I don't.

1012
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: I didn't have a huge problem with the tight end

1013
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: position overall last year. I don't think it would be.

1014
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 1: It's not really a concern of mind going into this year.

1015
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: I'm fine with Blake Bell, but I saw it last year.

1016
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: I mean there were times where they were using Tony

1017
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 1: Polar to block poor Polor was just getting thrown away

1018
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: like up in the air, also Zeke at times. I mean,

1019
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: it happens with also a lot of these guys. So

1020
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: it's just gonna happen at times and you just gotta

1021
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: deal with it. But overall, I think that the least

1022
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 1: of my problems or concerns is the tight end position.

1023
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 1: I'm hoping with Blake Jarwin back, everything's it's gonna be better.

1024
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: But just overall, I think that I'm okay with what

1025
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: Blake Bell did. And it's just kind of pick your weapons,

1026
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 1: you know, pick your weapons on how you're gonna play,

1027
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: and you can't win. You can have all your weapons

1028
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: out there at once, so it just depends on how

1029
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: you're wanting to play football, all right. I would just

1030
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: like Dave I as a closing thought, and Derek, I

1031
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: think You're absolutely right, Like, if the offensive line is

1032
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: healthy and available, that should be all that I need.

1033
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: But I'm also paying the battering ram running back fifteen

1034
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,479
Speaker 1: million dollars a year if the if the offense line

1035
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:05,240
Speaker 1: is healthy and doing its job, Zeke, go bully somebody

1036
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: into the end zone. Like, we're not scoring touchdowns with

1037
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: a fifteen million dollars running back because the third tight

1038
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: ends not blocking? Right? Gross? Yes, no, go run somebody

1039
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: over and score or else? What are we paying you for?

1040
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: I think it's fair, right, I mean, yeah, yeah, that's fair.

1041
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: That's fair. If we're talking about running back. What day

1042
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: we're talking about running back? Because yeah, that's fair. I

1043
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: thought we were talking about tight end. No, I get

1044
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: you need a whole show for them. No, well, I

1045
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: mean we did, and we talked about running back, and

1046
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: I think we all agreed that all though Zeke is

1047
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 1: still a premier running back, Zeke's got to be better,

1048
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: right for what the funny he's baking, He's gotta be bad.

1049
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: He's gotta be better. And I think that's a that's

1050
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 1: a completely different starting with holding on with the ball,

1051
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: holding on to the ball. But what I'm just saying

1052
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: is is that if I've got three tight ends out here,

1053
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: and and they're they're Dalton Schultz, and they're Sean McEwan,

1054
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 1: and there Blake Jarwin, I don't think anybody anybody's blocking anybody.

1055
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: So a thirteen personnel or a twelve personnel, I mean, like,

1056
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: give me some more creativity than that. Figure out a way.

1057
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: If if Kellen Moore's the boy genius, then figure out

1058
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: a way. Give me Antoine Woods, give me the deefense,

1059
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 1: give me something else that can go some beefier packages.

1060
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: Figure out a way somehow to do. And to be honest,

1061
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: that's kind of how I think about it is. I'm

1062
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: not so concerned about them making sure that the third

1063
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: tight end is there for you to block. Find somebody though,

1064
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: whether you go to full beck, whether you take a

1065
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: defensive player, whether you take an additional offensive lineman. When

1066
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 1: you get in those situations, whatever it is, you seem

1067
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: to figure out something to give you that kind of

1068
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: beef when you need to pound the ball for yard.

1069
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: But when they draft Kyle Pitts at number ten, what

1070
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: happens then? Can we score fifty points a game? All right?

1071
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: But let's get to some questions we got about seven

1072
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: minutes left in the show. Let's get some questions here.

1073
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: They're doing this well. You mentioned the draft, and I

1074
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 1: got this guy asking a question about what position group

1075
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: for the defense do you think will have the most

1076
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:11,280
Speaker 1: immediate impact through the draft. I mean, the easy, obvious

1077
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: answer is probably cornerback because right now, and I mean

1078
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: it's going to change when free agency starts, but you

1079
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,800
Speaker 1: don't have any and it's a very good if I

1080
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: had to lay money on who they were going to

1081
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: draft at ten, the overwhelming favorite should be cornerback because

1082
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 1: there's two very good ones. One of them will definitely

1083
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,720
Speaker 1: be there and he should be a day one starter.

1084
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: So that's the easy answer. And I love the idea

1085
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: of pairing him up with Diggs. I think you might

1086
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: be able to hit on something where you got yourself

1087
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: a pair of cornerbacks that you can just ride for

1088
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: the next four or five years and just see where

1089
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: it goes. Like that might be the beginning of you

1090
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: kind of rebuilding your defense. Yeah, I mean, I think

1091
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: you know they're both both the two he's talking about

1092
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: Farley and certain I mean, they're both good. But you

1093
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: know I know this that there's no a bunch of

1094
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: five stars guys at Virginia Tech on the defensive line,

1095
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: you know, And so that's what I wonder. I wonder

1096
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: about maybe Farley, I mean, maybe he might be even

1097
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: better just because you know, he's playing the number one

1098
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: receiver every time out and he's not getting you know,

1099
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,439
Speaker 1: the path rush and all that. But if that didn't

1100
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: play fifteen years in the league either, So I don't know,

1101
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: maybe that matters, maybe it doesn't, but they help. Yeah,

1102
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: either way, I think it's going to be better than

1103
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown. I'm sorry. I meant Anthony Brown and Jordan

1104
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: Lewis and you know, Cheeto or who actually hope they

1105
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,479
Speaker 1: bring Jordan back though I think it. Jordan still fits,

1106
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: and I think you'd be a nice compliment if you had.

1107
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: Let's say, you got that draft pick and you put

1108
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: him with Digs and Jordan is your your nickel guy.

1109
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: I like that. I like that a lot. As your

1110
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,439
Speaker 1: three cornerbacks that you're running out day one, I like, yeah,

1111
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: me too. So your QB four or I mean, your

1112
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 1: your fourth cornerback's gonna be making five million a year

1113
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: or were cutting Anthony Brown. I don't know, you know,

1114
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: I have a hard time really understanding what I think

1115
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: of Anthony Brown, because I don't think he's a bad cornerback.

1116
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 1: I just think he's kind of just a guy. If

1117
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: that's you know, if that's okay, and and and by

1118
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:06,919
Speaker 1: the way, you need some of those guys on your team.

1119
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: Everybody can't be a high draft pick. Everybody can't be

1120
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: a high price free agent. I get that. Yeah, you're right,

1121
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, No, go ahead. I was just laughing because

1122
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: if Jordan Lewis's agent is watching this, you know, or

1123
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: why or other you know, people talk about it, like

1124
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 1: think about what Jordan and Cheetoh are gonna get in

1125
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 1: the open market, because Jordan might get more, might get

1126
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: that contracted Anthony Brown gott and Cheeto's definitely gonna try

1127
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: to get that either way more than that. So I

1128
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: don't even know if they did come back. I mean,

1129
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: you think you think Cheeto can really command that kind

1130
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: of money Anthony Brown money, Well, yeah, I guess that should. Yeah,

1131
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 1: I think he can't. I think I think I think

1132
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna get cheetouous money. You do, I think you're

1133
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 1: gonna kind of laugh, but like, yeah, I think he's

1134
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: gonna get some money. What makes you think that just

1135
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: because it's cornerback. Yeah, and he's made some plays in

1136
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: twenty five mile an hour running and all that kind

1137
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: of stuff. I think it all come back. And then

1138
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: they got the size. Sorry, Nick, now go ahead. He's

1139
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: got the size that people He's got the size that

1140
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 1: people covet. He's athletic as hell. He's started many many

1141
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: games in the NFL, and that's all he needs. Yeah.

1142
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: I agree with Nick, and I mean, you know not.

1143
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: I think we all think the world of Anthony Hitchins.

1144
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: He was a good player here. Anthony Hitchins was a

1145
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: good player. But you when you saw the deal Kansas

1146
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: City gave him, you were like, WHOA, Okay, Kansas City

1147
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: have fun. And that's I think something similar might happen

1148
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: with Cheeto. But he was a better player, not a

1149
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: bad player. He was a better player here though than

1150
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 1: Cheeto has been. Right. Yeah, but Cheeto plays a more

1151
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: important position. True. I'm not saying he's I'm not saying

1152
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: he's gonna get a Hitchins contract, I think, but I

1153
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: think he will get it. I will not be surprised

1154
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: if he signs a deal that kind of makes you

1155
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: raise your eye propose, Okay, So let me throw this

1156
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: question back to you. If you just ran down all

1157
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: the things of why a team would want to pay

1158
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: Cheeto that money, should the Cowboys be considering maybe they

1159
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: should pay a d an amount of money for him

1160
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: because of all those things you just mentioned. No, no,

1161
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: But Derek, we see this all every year. We see

1162
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: this happen where we see a guy differently and then

1163
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: they go out in the open market and they get

1164
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: a ton of money, a lot more money than what

1165
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: the Cowboys could have offered them. And the thing is

1166
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people think, oh, my coach, my staff

1167
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: can make this player better. So when you're looking at

1168
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: videos and these players you always have as a coach

1169
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: and recruiting staff, I feel like you always have that

1170
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: mentality that you see the talent and you just have

1171
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: that itch that you think that if they come work

1172
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: with you, you're gonna be able to make that player better.

1173
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: In at times, we've seen that happen with a lot

1174
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: of players that have left the Cowboys, that they go

1175
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: and hine at other teams. So I think that's just

1176
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: one of the things that you have to look at

1177
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: why another team would see them more valuable than what

1178
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: the Cowboys see them. I think I think he needs

1179
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: a fresh start, and I think, you know, not to

1180
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: steal online from a former co worker, but you know,

1181
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: I think you could argue that he had a foot

1182
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: in the parking lot anyways. Yeah, I mean he was

1183
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: already kind of thinking about contract looking in that way,

1184
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: and you know, this is a big year for him.

1185
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: The second contract is a big year for every NFL player,

1186
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: and I think he's gonna get it. I think he's

1187
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: gonna go, and I think he probably needs to go

1188
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: to another team and he might be really good. I

1189
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: don't know if he'll be really good, but I think

1190
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: he'll be serviceable. I'll throughout Damien Wilson as an example.

1191
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: Damian Wilson has been a good player for Kansas City.

1192
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: I don't think he was that with the Cowboys, and

1193
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: I don't think the Cowboys like when he signed somewhere else.

1194
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: I don't think the Cowboys are really heartbroken about it.

1195
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: But he's been a good player. He's been a better

1196
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: player there than he was or so it happens. It

1197
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: absolutely happens. Scheme, which I actually I thought about that

1198
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: this morning while I was out on a run, because

1199
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: somebody somebody tweeted me this morning, Thank you, Dare. Somebody

1200
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: tweeted me this morning talking about, you know, they need

1201
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: to get rid of Will because his last few drafts

1202
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: have been like super bad, and I was kind of

1203
00:59:58,040 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: thinking about that. I'm like, well, first of all, that's

1204
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: that's just not true, right, But then you know, the

1205
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: twenty seven, the twenty seventeen draft, I think you probably

1206
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: have you you absolutely have to chalk it up as

1207
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: a as a disappointment at this point, Taco was a

1208
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: bust um, you know you you like most of those

1209
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: guys are not going to be here long term, but

1210
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: I think there's room for nuance there. Like was Cheeto

1211
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: a woozier. Let's just assume he doesn't come back like

1212
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: was he a bust No, Probably like a slight disappointment,

1213
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: but not everybody's gonna be a bonanza pick that you

1214
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,439
Speaker 1: pay a second contract too. It's just it's too hard.

1215
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: It doesn't work that way. So if you get four

1216
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: years of service out of Cheeto, like I said, it's

1217
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: disappointing he didn't do more in the four years he

1218
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: was here. But I don't consider him a bust y'all.

1219
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: Like I don't consider that a bust of a pick. No,

1220
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: don't mean a guy that starts and plays. And no,

1221
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: he got hurt some and you know, he wasn't as

1222
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 1: good as you wanted him to. Want he didn't get

1223
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 1: as many interceptions as you wanted him to. But no,

1224
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: I don't like we said like when we started the show,

1225
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: it's not one way or the other. I mean, it's

1226
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: not like he was an all world or the worst.

1227
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: I mean he's in between. And by the way, you

1228
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: got to be real careful, real careful, all caution fans,

1229
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: real careful with assigning too much praise or too much

1230
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: blame to Will or anybody else in the front office

1231
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: with regards to draft picks, because what you don't know

1232
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: is who is really behind that pick. You know, some

1233
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: of the things we've heard, there have been times that

1234
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: picks have been made because a coach was really, really

1235
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: pushing hard and that was the voice that really convinced

1236
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: the powers that be to make a decision. And so

1237
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: I think you got to be really careful. It's not

1238
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: like a typical A typical team kind of runs their

1239
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: thing like when you have the GM, and ultimately the

1240
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 1: GM is the one that makes decision, and by the way,

1241
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 1: that probably is the case here, but the GM ain't

1242
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: will right, Will's not making the final decision, So I

1243
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: think you have to be real careful with that when

1244
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: you start kind of figuring out who to places blame

1245
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: and by the way, who also to give credit. You

1246
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 1: kind of have to do it as a team and

1247
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: either as a team they did well or as a

1248
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: team they didn't do well. Yep. I just think it's

1249
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: and I know, I know we gotta go, but I

1250
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: just I'm that's an interesting thing. And Anthony Hitchins and

1251
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: Damian Wilson are great examples, Like not everybody's gonna be

1252
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: a bust of a bad player, and not everybody's gonna

1253
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 1: be a cornerstone that you can pay big money to.

1254
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: Some guys you just draft, thank you for your service,

1255
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: and move on and we hope the best for you.

1256
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: And like, I don't think the Cowboys are dumb for

1257
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: not resigning Anthony Hitchins or Damian Wilson. Honestly, like that,

1258
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: I don't think those would have been good free like

1259
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 1: money allocations and if Cheeto a Woozier can get ten

1260
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: million dollars a year on the open market, I don't

1261
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: think it would be smart for the Cowboys to try

1262
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 1: to match that either. And sometimes you just gotta say

1263
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: thanks for your time and we'll have the good memories

1264
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: and draft the next guy. Yep, all right, we appreciate

1265
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: you guys. Dennis. We'll be back on next Wednesday. We'll

1266
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: talk about the defense. We're gonna flip this conversation over

1267
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball. There are are so

1268
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 1: many topics to hit on that side of the ball,

1269
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: so we'll do that next week. Till then. For Nick Eatman,

1270
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: Dave Hellman, Amber Garcia, I am Derek Eagleton. This has

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