1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show. The one position group 2 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: that perhaps has garnered the most attention this offseason inside linebacker, 3 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: and the spotlights certainly won't dim once training camp begins. 4 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: The Cardinals have invested a lot in the position for 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: starters Zavan Collins and Isaiah Simmons, back to back first 6 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: round draft picks. Then what about Jordan Hicks. What's his 7 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: role in all of this? We'll get into it all 8 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: but first, speaking of roles, the Kurt Warner story is 9 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,959 Speaker 1: about to hit the big screen. It's Cardinals Cover two, 10 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: episode four thirty eight, and it starts now. Welcome to 11 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two with Craig Grigolew and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals 12 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: Cover two is presented by Hun Day, proud partner of 13 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit acy 14 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: Cardinals dot Com Slash Podcasts. Murray rolls to the right, 15 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: throws near sight to fens card pennies into the end 16 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: zone for the touchdown. Here's Craig Griolou and Mike Jarecki. 17 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: So we've known about this project for a while, MJ. 18 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: We now have an official release date December tenth the 19 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: title American Underdog, the story of how Kurt Warner went 20 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: from grocery store clerk to Super Bowl. MVP saw this 21 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: late last week and from Warner himself, who tweeted, here 22 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: we go people. It has been an incredible journey and 23 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: thanks to all of the love and support over the years. 24 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: I am excited to bring our story to the big screen, 25 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: especially at a time we could all use a little 26 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: inspiration hashtag American Underdog. I remember talking about this a 27 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: year ago around this same time, and now to actually 28 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: see it's come alive, if you will, a couple of 29 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: more months to wait, but the story of Kurt Warner, 30 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: it is an incredible story. I think they got the 31 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: title right. And you know, we all know the story. 32 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: You know clearly we need to play for the Cardinals, 33 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: but you know the fact that he was stocking shelves 34 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: and he had to go to NFL Europe to play, 35 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: and when he was in the Packers camp, he was 36 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: a four string quarterback. I want to say, he was 37 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: behind farve Ty Deptmer and Mark Brunel and they wouldn't 38 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: even give him a chance. So I do think, you know, 39 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: would he accomplish in Saint Louis. Every time he left 40 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: the field in the Super Bowl, he was either tied 41 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 1: or they were winning, and he would one and two 42 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: in Super Bowls. But what he was able to do 43 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: with that greatest show on turf, you know the story 44 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: about Brenda and how they met. Their family is disabled 45 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: son who's doing really well. Now, it's just I mean, 46 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: you won't meet a nicer guy. He's sincere. You see 47 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: what you get on television, and you know he's nothing's 48 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: been given to him. He had to work for it. 49 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to watching it. But you know 50 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: what he did in Saint Louis, I mean, it's going 51 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: to be hard to duplicate what he did there. And 52 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 1: it says to Super Bowl MVPs. So does this include 53 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 1: any of his time with the Giants? Does it include 54 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: any of his time here with the Cardinals. I think 55 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: we'll have to wait and see. But you can't. You 56 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: can't include everything when you're limited to what two hours, 57 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: two and a half hours, whatever the running time is 58 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: going to be with this. But if you're looking for 59 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: maybe if there is no Cardinals aspect, maybe you look 60 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: for you mentioned playing in Europe, how about playing indoor 61 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: football the Iowa Barnstormers and lose into the Arizona Ratlers 62 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: in the championship game. Well, actually on the trailer they 63 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: show that. Okay, so we do have a little bit 64 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: of an Arizona connection. Yes, yes, and you you covered that. No, 65 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: that was before I arrived, Okay, yeah, I mean definitely. 66 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: I mean that's where I think Kurt tried to figure 67 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: it out where I can recognize defenses because we know 68 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: that they can let a guy go in motion before 69 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: the ball snapped. And yes, it may be in the 70 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: most talented players, but I think his mindset was, I 71 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: get rid of the ball because we know one thing 72 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: about Kurt Warner and I don't know how many other quarterbacks. 73 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure Peyton Manning, probably Brady. When they break the huddle, 74 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: they already know where the ball's going. It doesn't matter 75 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,119 Speaker 1: if you want to play chess with me and move 76 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: the coverage over. I know where I'm going with the ball, 77 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: and hopefully our guy Kyler Murray can kind of figure 78 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: that out once the game slows down for him. Well, 79 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: how many times if we heard Kurt say, I would 80 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: prefer you to blitz because then I know And that 81 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: was the reaction and just seeing so many different defenses 82 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: that he could make those decisions and fewer than a 83 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: split second to where, Okay, you're gonna bring the blitz 84 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: to while I know where I'm throwing the football, and 85 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: you know it's on you at that point, and you're right. 86 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 1: I do think we all hope that that Kyler Murray 87 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: takes that next step, whether that's this season or at 88 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: least with the Arizona Cardinals in the next couple of seasons. 89 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: By the way, as far as some other information on 90 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: this movie, Zachary Levy is playing Kurt Warner, and I 91 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: how to kind of do a little bit of a 92 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: Google search. Levy plays or played the title character of 93 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: the movie Shazam, so that might be a little bit 94 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: of a known commadi. And then Dennis quad is in 95 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: this movie. He plays Dick vermil so you do get 96 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: to kind of see this is a this is not 97 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: this is a big budget film, if you will. As 98 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: far as name value, who is in this movie? And 99 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: we always say, you know, if they're gonna make a 100 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: movie about your life, who would you like to play you? 101 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, Kurt Warner has that answer. 102 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: He's got Zachary Levi now Dennis Quaid obviously a great 103 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: actor over the years. I hope he learns how to 104 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: cry in this movie. Ye, and bless Dick Vermil's heart 105 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: because he's the one that gave Kurt a chance. I mean, 106 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: we know that, you know, Mark Bolger and all that, 107 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: Trent Green goes down and he gets an opportunity, and 108 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: then Kurt had the bad thumb and they moved on 109 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: from him. But you know, he saw something in him 110 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: and maybe he was heart and just you know, he 111 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: had that underdog on your roster and he goes out 112 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: there and works hard. So everyone us is like, if 113 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: he's putting the work, and he's half talented as me, 114 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: I need to put the work in. So it was 115 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: more like, okay, we're gonna we're gonna rally him around. 116 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: This guy. And usually when you're starting quarterback goes down 117 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: in training camp or maybe it was the first game, 118 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: you know, you go to the backup and you're hoping 119 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: that the other guys will rally, and he rallied that team. 120 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: We always talk about taking advantage of the opportunity. You 121 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: don't know when that opportunity is going to come. When 122 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: that knock on the door is going to come. But 123 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: what do you do when you get that opportunity? And 124 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 1: Kurt Warner certainly made the most of his opportunity in 125 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: the National Football League again December tenth. American Underdog is 126 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: the title of the movie The Kurt Warner Story, and 127 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: we'll kind of follow along as well here on Cardinals 128 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: cover two, presented by a Hunday proud partner of the 129 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. The reason why I mentioned the Packers because 130 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,799 Speaker 1: you could in the trailer they show him leaving the facility. 131 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: Now I wish they which you know, just selfishly for 132 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: our us, I wish they will show the entire three sixty, 133 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: you know, the entire your career. Because the Chicago Bears 134 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: brought him in to compete for the third string quarterback 135 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: position the Bears need quarter we'll see what happens with 136 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: Justin Fields. But it's just funny that, you know, he 137 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: he gets benched when they played the Cardinals at Sundeville 138 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: Stadium thanks to bircham Berry and I want to believe 139 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: on the plane right at home, that's when they told 140 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: him they're going to Eli Manny and so he's a pro. 141 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: He tries to help him, and then in the offseason, 142 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, the Cardinals got him 143 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:36,239 Speaker 1: and it was like, okay, open competition with Matt Liner. Okay, 144 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: you know, it's just what he's had to go through. Well, 145 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: don't remember he was booed, oh yeah at at State 146 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: Farm Stadium. I mean he was. He was booed off 147 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: the field at one point. And you know, we you know, 148 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: people kind of forget about those little moments, but it's 149 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: all part of the journey to get to where the 150 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: Cardinals got that season, that is to the super Bowl. 151 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: And then you know, he clearly I think he wanted 152 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: better protection on the lot and like any quarterback would want. 153 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: But he remember he visited the forty nine. Yes, I 154 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: do remember that, tracking where Kurt Warner's going and calling 155 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: his agent trying to get any information, because yeah, it's 156 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: those are fun, those are fun memories as you look 157 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: back again. American Underdog December tenth. All right, let's move 158 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: along and we continue our position by a position breakdown 159 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: here as we get closer and closer to training camp. Yes, 160 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: it is literally writes around the corner. Later this month, 161 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: the team were reports and get ready for the twenty 162 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: twenty one regular season, and as we talk about the 163 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: inside linebacker position, the direction here MJ is very clear. 164 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: The future is right now like yesterday, You've got Zaven 165 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: Collins and Isaiah Simmons first round draft picks and back 166 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: to back years. And we go back to draft nights 167 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: most recently in April when gentle manager Steve come called 168 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: that pairing two trees in the middle of the field, 169 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 1: and then a little bit later on Kingsbury added to 170 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: that and said two really fast trees, and right there 171 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: we kind of figured out, all right, well, this is 172 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: what they're telling us, Okay, this is what we're gonna 173 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: have to discuss. And you've got a rookie and you've 174 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: got a second year player who did not have an 175 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: off season a year prior. Now all of a sudden, 176 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: they are right smack in the middle of a defense 177 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: that was very very good last season is looking to 178 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: take that next step this season. The way I look 179 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: at this, clearly you can see the upside. You can 180 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 1: see the upside in Isaiah Simmons, and you know how 181 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: I feel, you know, give him in an entire offseason, 182 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: just like anyone else, especially guys that are drafted in 183 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: the first four rounds. I mean, you're counting on them 184 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: to be part of your future, your core moving forward. 185 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: In Zavin Collins's he looks the part. He's done everything 186 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: they've asked them to do on the football field. But 187 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: to me, it's a big question mark because when you 188 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: look behind it and we'll get into the depth on 189 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 1: but hey, they've made it very clear. I just think, 190 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: you know, what does it look like in September compared 191 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: to October and November and December, Like there's going to 192 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: be some growing pains. We watched Kyle Shanahan go at 193 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: right off the right, off the cuff in Week one 194 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: against Isaiah Simmons. Now adding JJ Watt, hopefully your corners 195 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 1: can you know, hold down the coverage over there and 196 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: you can get a push up front. So it's not 197 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: like it was last year. But it's going to be interesting. 198 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: And I think Buddha Baker will be obviously the face 199 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: of the defense and maybe because we know Collins is 200 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: gonna have to get everyone lined up, but a healthy 201 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: Chandler Jones, motivated Chandler Jones, that's going to go a 202 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: long way. Marcus Golden, so you know they're gonna have 203 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: talent around them, not to say to cover them, but 204 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: it should allow them to play a little bit freer 205 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: over a period of time. There is a lot of 206 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: confidence from the top they're talking about the front office 207 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: to the coaching staff that this is going to work. 208 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: Get your point. From the outside looking in, it is 209 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: a huge question mark because they haven't done it. Talking 210 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: about Collins and Simmons, we only saw it in flashes 211 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: with Isaiah in twenty twenty. Son he be that guy, 212 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: and ken Zaven Collins step in and be that guy 213 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: right away. Again, There's a reason why they were drafted 214 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: in the first round. There's a reason why they've both 215 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: have been given, as we like to say, the keys 216 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: to the defense, if you will, and Collins is going 217 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: to be the quarterback of that defense. Vans Joseph discussed 218 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: that as well, and he also added this, and I 219 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: think this is important to keep in mind. We always 220 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 1: talk about patients, and it's easy to talk about patients 221 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: in the offseason. Different story in the regular season, especially 222 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: as you get into October and November and then later on. 223 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: But when you have two young players playing right away 224 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: and hopefully playing lots and coach Joseph's words, There's going 225 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: to be some bad downs. There's going to be mistakes. 226 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: At the same time, given the skill set and athleticism 227 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: of Collins and Simmons, those two players are going to 228 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: make plays that others can't make or are unable to make, 229 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 1: So there is going to be some growing pains at 230 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 1: the same time. I get it when people say, well, 231 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: this is your decision, front office, coaching staff, so it 232 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: better work, and it better work right away because you 233 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: only have so many opportunities to get into the postseason. 234 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: You can't waste games early in the season and then 235 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 1: hope to catch up later on down the line. So 236 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: I get both sides of it. If you will. Now 237 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: we just kind of have to sit back and watch 238 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: it unfold. Well, I'm glad you classify because when it 239 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: comes to the front office and the coaching staff, they 240 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: believe in these guys right away. And I get it 241 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: just based on athleticism, football smarts. You know their upside. 242 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: But I don't the expectations going into the season. I mean, 243 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: I don't know what the expectations are, but I know 244 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: you're saying do it right away and we one but 245 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 1: I don't know is that feasible where he's just gonna 246 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: you know, again, to me, there's going to be some 247 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: growing pain. So I don't know. I think we need 248 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: to look at it the first month of the season, 249 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: second month. But again, they have better players around them, 250 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: you know, if the corners can hold down on the 251 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: outside and then we put a Baker and you know, 252 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: I just think with a healthy Chandler and Jones, they 253 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: don't have to be saviors. But obviously they are athletic 254 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: enough to where they can cover tight ends, they can 255 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: come up in the run support game. But I would 256 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: temper the expectations just because I mean, they haven't played 257 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: together in a real game. It's a delicate balancing act here. 258 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: You have to play because they wouldn't be playing if 259 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: everyone didn't think that they were ready. And if you're 260 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: on that football field, you better know what you're supposed 261 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: to do, regardless if it's year one or year ten. 262 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: So there is that aspect of it. But to your point, 263 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: I mean, there could be instances, and we already heard 264 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: about it. There are an OTA's and mini camp that, yeah, 265 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: you're gonna make mistakes. Let's just hope that those mistakes 266 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: aren't repeated. Or they're small enough to wear someone on 267 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: the defensive line or on the back end can come 268 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: up and correct it to where it's maybe just a 269 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: first down as opposed to twenty five yards a touchdown. 270 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: If you will, allah last year Week one against the 271 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: San Francisco forty Niners, that was a huge mistake that 272 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan exploited. Yet if that happens again this year, 273 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: you hope maybe it's not for a sixty plus yard touchdown. 274 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: You got to think on paper, though, Zavan Collins is 275 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: further ahead than Isaiah Simmons. He had an offseason, they 276 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: had a rookie mini caamp, they had mandatory OTA or 277 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: mandatory mini camp. Ot as were voluntary. He's been in 278 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: the classroom, he's they've been. They were here probably up 279 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: to two weeks ago. So and he's gonna get training 280 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: camp and he's gonna get three preseason games. So from 281 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: from from the from the jump, he should be further 282 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: ahead now. Has been in the system now two years, 283 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: and just looking at him on the field, he's company, 284 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: he's comfortable. He understands his role in this defense, whether 285 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: it's four different positions covering tight ends, rushing the passer 286 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: dropping back into coverage covering the slot receiver. So he 287 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: should be further along just being in this system. But 288 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: I do think Collins is the gap could be a 289 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: lot closer just based on what he's been able to 290 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: do this offseason. It is a huge responsibility for both 291 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: those players, but they are not putting a ton on 292 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: their shoulders fans. Joseph used that players before scheme talking 293 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: about simplifying things. So, yes, you're the quarterback of the 294 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: defense and you're the inside linebacker Isaiah Simmons that we're 295 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: going to move you around different places, but we're gonna 296 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: make it so it is simple enough for you to understand, 297 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: for you to execute, and then as you develop and 298 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: as the defense develops, then maybe we add more to 299 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: your play. But right now, for Xavan Collins, it's get 300 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: the laying from the sidelines, It's relay the play to 301 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: the other ten players on the football field, and then 302 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: it's do your job. Not worried about Buddha Baker doing his, 303 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler doing his Jordan Phillips doing his Just settle 304 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: into your role, do what you're supposed to do, and 305 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: then if something breaks down, just make sure it's not 306 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: your breakdown, that it's something else, because I think they 307 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: want to make sure that there is some confidence on 308 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: these two young players, and that confidence isn't blown, isn't 309 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: shattered early on, because you can lose a player early 310 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: in their career if things aren't going well. When up 311 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: until you get to the pro level, peewee football, high school, college, 312 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: your athleticism, your skill set, you're just better than everyone else. 313 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden, you're in a group, 314 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: you're in a league where everyone is of equal standing, 315 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: so to speak, at least from the get go, and 316 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden's like, okay, where do you 317 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: go from here? How do you get to be great? 318 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: How do you get to become a superstar, a pro bowler, 319 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: an All Pro? Or do you kind of get lost 320 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,239 Speaker 1: in the shuffle because you just couldn't quite catch up 321 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: with everyone else. What I am encouraged is, you know, 322 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: if we take a look at the three layers, D line, 323 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: linebacker and secondary. JJ Watt. He's played in a lot 324 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: of games, so you know there'll be a time when 325 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: he makes a call and maybe he's got a tap 326 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: on his hip or you got to move over. So 327 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: I think jj will be able to settle down with 328 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 1: the defensive lineman. Their job is to create pressure sort of. 329 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: Linebackers can shoot the gaps and then with a healthy 330 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: and motivated Chandler Jones to me, he'll calm things down 331 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: now from a pass rushing standpoint, and then Buddha Baker 332 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: in the secondary. So I feel, I feel, I feel comfortable, 333 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: and I'm encouraged that every layer they have a special 334 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: Uh you know, a guy that he looks at a 335 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: leadership role and being a leader is also a guy 336 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: that's a really good player. And maybe at some point 337 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler and it's Buddha Baker in the secondary just 338 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,959 Speaker 1: because of how much he's played and how effective he has. 339 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: But at each layer they're gonna have some guys that 340 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: can take pressure off of Collins. Yeah, the spotlight is 341 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: going to be on the inside linebackers. But to your points, 342 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: they're not going to be asked to do it by 343 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: themselves like I think a couple of years back, Jordan 344 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: Hicks was kind of asked to do everything and get 345 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: everyone set. That's not going to be the case with 346 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: Zavan Collins, who will wear that green dot on the 347 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: back of his helmet by the way Bird gag. You 348 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: can watch this Cardinals defense. These two young inside linebackers 349 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: live at State Farm Stadium this season against Single game 350 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: tickets are available right now. You can go to asy 351 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: cardinals dot com slash game tis that's Asy cardinals dot 352 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: com slash game t i X. 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We continue here on Cardinals 360 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 1: Cover two presented by Hunday, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals, 361 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: looking at Zavian Collins specifically six foot five, two hundred 362 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: and sixty pounds, the sixteenth overall pick out of Tulsa, 363 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: a three year starter and the comp from general manager 364 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 1: Steve Come And then I've heard Lorenzo Alexander on flagship 365 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: station ninety eight seven FM, Arizona Sports Station talk about it, 366 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: as well as Tremaine Edmonds, who back in twenty eighteen, 367 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: MJ was the sixteenth overall pick and that season started 368 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 1: Week one and has been the starter ever since then. 369 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: So it is possible, even though you are a rookie, 370 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: a young player, to be given that responsibility. But to 371 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: ever to your point again, it's okay, who do you 372 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: have around you to kind of help make sure that 373 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: you're making all the correct calls and doing what you're 374 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 1: supposed to do. I'll say this about Edmonds, they had 375 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: a really good front. Four mcdermots done a really good job. 376 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: Leslie Fraser's done a really good job, so maybe he 377 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: was freed up a little bit. I don't think Isaiah 378 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: had that those kind of horses up front last year, 379 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: and this year with a healthy Jordan Phillips the rotation 380 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: possibly with you know, a guy's like a lucky foe too, 381 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: and Richard Lawrence and then J. J. Watt. So again, 382 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 1: if these guys can create pressure get the quarterback off 383 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: a spot, it's going to free those guys up. But 384 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: when I look at that Bill's defense, that's really really 385 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: started until they got the franchise quarterback and went out 386 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: and got digs with Tradevious White, they had a really 387 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: good front so that took a lot of pressure off 388 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: of him. Yeah, And something that Drew Grigson brought up 389 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: this offseason on the Big Red Rays, the Cardinals director 390 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: a player personnel that when you have a Buddha Baker 391 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: and a JJ Watts and a Chandler Jones, they should 392 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: know where they're supposed to be. So if you or 393 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: Zavin Collins again, it's due your job. And Grigson did 394 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: notice again this is small sample size, I get it, 395 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: but as far as commanding the huddle and making your 396 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: voice is heard and sometimes maybe being in the loud 397 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 1: voice and maybe having to quiet down at JJ Watter 398 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: at Chandler Jones, like, look, I'm the one that got 399 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: the signal from Vance Joseph. All eyes have to be 400 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 1: on me. And I think and as we've heard from 401 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 1: Bertram Barry and others, that you want someone to walk 402 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: into that huddle as the mic linebacker and be confidence 403 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: in what you're saying because you hesitates and then all 404 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 1: of a sudden the confidence is lost. So you can 405 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,719 Speaker 1: be that young player in a huddle and kind of 406 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: speak down to if you will, a JJ Watt, a 407 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: Buddha Baker who've been there, done that, because there can 408 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: only be one voice at that particular time. Now, if 409 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: you want to have a discussion on the sideline, that's 410 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 1: one thing. But on the football field, before that play 411 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: and before that ball is snapped, it can only be 412 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: Isaiah sim excuse, it can only be Xavin Collins. And 413 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: that's the plan. I mean, he's making the calls. He's 414 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: just going to make sure he's getting guys lined up 415 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: and they get the calls. I mean, it could change 416 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: from pre snap to ocean. I mean, obviously you look 417 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: at a lot of film during the week, so I 418 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: don't they won't be caught off guard, but you got 419 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: to make sure, I mean they're good. There could be 420 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: a time where he's he's actually covering a wide receiver 421 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: or a tight end on the sidelines. We saw Jordan 422 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: Hicks do that. I mean, they're they're going to try 423 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: to get him out of you know, out of the 424 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: middle there. So but you can also move your corners 425 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: up or have a safety over the top help. But 426 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: don't be surprised if he actually lines up at one 427 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: point covering a tight end or maybe a split split 428 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: receiver that looks like a tight end, but he's he's 429 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: a wide receiver looks like a tight end so to speak. 430 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks had done that a ton of times. So yeah, 431 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 1: I mean, but I just like the fact that they 432 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: got you know, JJ Watts played a ton of games. 433 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: We know that m Chandler Jones has played a ton 434 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: of games, Marcus Golden, et cetera. So there could be 435 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: a time after a play they say, Okay, yes this 436 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: is the call, but make sure you look for this. 437 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: And I just think when having those veteran guys that 438 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: have in the system is going to go a long 439 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: way to help him. And the most recent time we 440 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: had a chance to hear from Zaven Collins about being 441 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: that guy defensively, he had already had rookie Mini caamp 442 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: OTAs and then Mini caamp as well, and you know, 443 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: regardless of if he's ready or not quotes, there's no 444 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: choice whether you're ready or not. You got to be there. 445 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: And he's doing what he can to learn the defense 446 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: and learn everyone else's responsibility because as he said, quote, 447 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: it's a big, huge operating thing that moves in all 448 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 1: different directions, and you have to know that within a 449 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,959 Speaker 1: split second, whenever the offense breaks, it's huddle and quote. 450 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: So he is putting in the work and then as 451 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 1: they say, how does it translate, how does it move 452 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: from the classroom onto the field, from offseason to training 453 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: camp to preseason to the regular season. You know, his 454 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 1: head might be spending at times, and there are going 455 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 1: to be mistakes. I just hope because of the what 456 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: being so adamant from the front office and the coaching 457 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: staff that this is this is our plan, this is 458 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: what we're going to do despite what we've got potentially 459 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: on the sidelines. We're going to make or break with 460 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: Zavian Collins and Isaiah Simmons. And you know, if it works, 461 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: it's great because now all of a sudden, you've got 462 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 1: something for the next ten twelve years. Perhaps if it doesn't, 463 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, we're having a different conversation 464 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 1: in a year or two. Well, I think we got 465 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: to let a play out. I mean, clearly, you invest 466 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: in first round picks, but in fairness, you know a 467 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: lot of times it's who's the players around them, and 468 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: I think they have the right players around them. It's 469 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: more mental than anything else. I mean, it's it's a grind. 470 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: I mean, knowing that you have to make the call. 471 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: But again, don't try to play hero ball. If everyone 472 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: just does their job, do your job. I mean, if 473 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: you're a corner stick over there, and if you got 474 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: to make you know, a tackle in the open field, 475 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: or you have to come up and run support, just 476 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: do your job. When you start trying to do too 477 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: much where they say when you start thinking you hurt 478 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: the team. Yeah, just do your job. It sounds simple. 479 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: And one thing that B train is really touched on 480 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: this offseason, and when I got a chance to do 481 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: the show with him, eyes where's his eyes? You hear it, 482 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 1: You hear it from a former player or a current player, 483 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: and you're thinking, you just roll your eyes. It's like 484 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: we're gonna get better today. No more reps you do, 485 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: the better you're gonna get. But it's gonna be about 486 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: his eyes. Where's his eyes at? Because that's where that's 487 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: where it gets tricky with motion, you know. I mean, 488 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: I'm glad that he's going against Kyler Murray's offense. Not 489 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: a lot of teams run four wide, but we know 490 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: that they have some explosive wide receivers in this offense. 491 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 1: I'm I'm glad that they're going against that offense. And 492 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: it may look totally different when they play the Tennessee 493 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: Titans or the Minnesota Vikings in the first two weeks 494 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 1: of the season, but going against up tempo offense with 495 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: a mobile quarterback. He's going to face some mobile quarterbacks 496 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: this year. Yeah. And getting that work done during the 497 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: week as opposed to seeing it for the first time 498 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: full speed on Sundays, I think is going to be 499 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: a benefit. And also the guy next to him, Isaiah Simmons, 500 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: who doesn't have a lot of experience, but enough to 501 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: where he might be able. And I think there'll be 502 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: a nice working relationship with both of those guys as 503 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: far as bringing them both up to the same level. 504 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: But you look at Simmons, we reference Collins six five 505 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: to sixty Simmons sixty four two thirty eights. Don't forget 506 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 1: wearing number nine this season. He's amongst the Cardinal players 507 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: that opted four single digits this season, and as a rookie, 508 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 1: and even to his own credit, as far as looking 509 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: back at last season, he knows it was a little 510 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: rough in his words, and he didn't play a whole 511 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: heck of a lots early in the season, especially after 512 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: Week one, but that Seattle game Sunday Night Football, the 513 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: interception of Russell Wilson. I think that was one of 514 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: those turning points, if you will. He still wasn't on 515 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 1: the field a great deal, but his snap count did 516 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 1: increase over the last half maybe those last five six 517 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: seven games, to the point where Vance Joseph called him 518 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: maybe the best rookie as far as where he started 519 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: to where he finished. The improvement that Isaiah Simmons made. 520 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: And there are a lot of people MJ out there 521 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: that when you look at breakout players or players that 522 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: could surprise that maybe aren't being talked a lot about. 523 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: They're looking at Isaiah Simmons based off his limited playing 524 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: time a year ago to what was he projected to 525 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: be as a first round draft pick, to now in 526 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: year two under the same defense, what can he do? 527 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,479 Speaker 1: Because I think he can do so many different things 528 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: depending on what they ask him to do. He looks 529 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: like a tall drink of water at number nine nothing 530 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: against forty eight. Was that what he was? Yes, okay, 531 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: stay forty eight, they stay forty eight exactly so, but 532 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: to me, he's got all the athleticism. It seems like 533 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,199 Speaker 1: last year we didn't get a chance to, you know, 534 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: interact with these guys. Obviously everything was on zoom and 535 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: then you get to training camp. But it seems like 536 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: even in the flight plan and some of the interviews 537 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: he's done, he's got a little swag to him. And 538 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: I like that, you know, because you walk on the 539 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: field not saying you're the best player, but you're not 540 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: going to back down for anybody. So I like and 541 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 1: he's matured. I think when we have interviews with him, 542 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: he's more And last year he was swimming. Let's be honest, 543 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: I mean it was it was unfair for anybody, but 544 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: there were rookies that played well last year. Again, which 545 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: which teams were they on? What kind of talent did 546 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: they have around? It goes a long way, But I 547 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: kind of like where he's at. And I mean you 548 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: can line him up at four or five different positions 549 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 1: and you know he's probably gonna be covering tight ends 550 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: him in Buddha that you can put him in the slot. 551 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: They really don't seem like they want him to rush 552 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: to pass her, but you know, after Marcus Golden and 553 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: Chandler Jones and Kennard, I mean, he needs somebody to 554 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: rush the passer unless you know when Dennis Garter comes back. 555 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: So I know last year they wanted to soul play him, 556 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: but he's got too much athleticism where he needs to 557 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: be all over the field, like he's like Buddha number two. Yeah, 558 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: And we heard that this offseason from linebackers coach Bill 559 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: Davis on the Big Red Rage, talking about how many 560 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: different positions Simmons played. There were six different positions, three 561 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: linebacker spots, plus Nichols strong safety and free safety, and 562 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: the words of coach Davis, Simmons his mind quote slowed 563 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: down and his body activated, and you saw him make 564 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: some plays end quote. Now how much they ask him 565 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: to do this season, who knows, But I do think 566 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: he might be one of those guys that, yes, you're 567 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: inside linebacker, but depending on what the offense shows you 568 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: down in distance, maybe you are lined up over a 569 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: tight end covering a slot receiver, or maybe you're that 570 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: delayed Blitzer going after the quarterback and hopefully catching that 571 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: quarterback off guard because everyone's focused on Chandler Jones, Jordan Phillips, 572 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: JJ Watt, and Marcus Golden to where maybe Simmons could 573 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: sneak in there and get a sack or two. And 574 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: I think that is the dynamic that at Clemson people saw. 575 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: You didn't see that last year, though. I believe the 576 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,719 Speaker 1: organization and the coaching staff they believe if they can 577 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: get some bad at balls. I mean again, it's gonna 578 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: be hard to see him. If you got Jordan Phillips, 579 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: who's tall, you know, depending on JJ Watt where he 580 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: lines up. He got Chandler who's kind of like Gumby, 581 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: he's you know, he puts his arms up. They gets 582 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: some bad at balls. Line of scrimmage. Sometimes the quarterback 583 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: may not see the linebackers, and that's where Isaiah Simmons. 584 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: So between Isaiah Simmons and Collins, they should have some 585 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: picks this year. A couple of years ago, Jordan Hicks 586 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: led the team. An interception was the three. So I 587 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: anticipate their bad at balls and they're gonna get some 588 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: interceptions just because the quarterback won't be able to see 589 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: those trees. And then all of a sudden their arms 590 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: go up. And we know Dansby he had a ton 591 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: of opportunities and he was kind of wiry too, and 592 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: he had long arms. So when you have those long arms, 593 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: you can make some picks. But bad at balls could 594 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: lead the turnovers for the cart. Yeah, you tip them 595 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: up in the air and whether it's yourself or someone 596 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: on the back end, and you get that football out 597 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: and you cause that turnover. And let's hope that there 598 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: aren't a lot of Dan's by drops. I mean, I mean, 599 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: we joke about it now, and I think even Carlos 600 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: did as well. But how many times did he have 601 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: an interception and we say, well, you know, you drop 602 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: it because you're playing defense. If you had any hands 603 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: at all, you'd be on the other side of the ball, 604 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: playing offense as a receiver or another pass catcher. So 605 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: I do think, especially because quarterbacks like to throw the 606 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: ball over the middle, and that seems to be especially 607 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: in this wide open offense that we're starting to see 608 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: more and more. You spread it out. But to your point, 609 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: if you've got six four six five, another six five, six, six, 610 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden that just you get an 611 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: extra foot because the arms are up in the air, 612 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: that's gonna be hard for a lot of quarterbacks to see. 613 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: Especially if you want to go, you know, just beyond 614 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: that fifteen twenty yard throw down the field, you're gonna 615 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: have to get a little bit more error under it, 616 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, maybe they give some 617 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: time for guys in coverage to make up for maybe 618 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: a lost step or two that maybe they've been beaten. 619 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, that ball hangs in the air 620 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: a little bit longer and you catch up with that 621 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: receiver that you're covering. Well, it's not like they're gonna 622 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: be stationary. In other words, they're gonna get it into 623 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: their stands and so they're not going to be six 624 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: four six five, and that's where me the quarterback won't 625 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: see them. And one another thing I'm gonna about Simmons, 626 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: he's much more physical than I thought. Now. You and 627 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: I watched training camp, and when it came to hitting 628 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: the bags, I thought, you know, I watched other guys 629 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: like Ballet Hoo and Zeke Turner, and yes, they have 630 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: been in the system long enough where they're stronger and 631 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: upper body. But as camp continue, you could see a 632 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: little bit of strength there. But during the games, I mean, 633 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: I know we're all going to go to the hit 634 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: on Cam Newton, and we knew Newton was going to 635 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: flop there. And unfortunate because the Cardinals should have won 636 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: that game. But covering kicks, he's physical, and I think 637 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: it's because he can run like a deer down the 638 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: field and you can't stop him. Those dbs don't want 639 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: to try to block him. You really saw it on 640 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: special teams if he wasn't the first guy, he was 641 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: a second guy down there, to the point where he 642 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: tied for third on the team as far as special 643 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: teams tackles with ten question is how much does he 644 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: play on special teams this year, if at all? And 645 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: you can make the same case for Zavan Collins, but yeah, 646 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: I think that was the big question that a lot 647 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: of people have of any kind of a rookie, especially 648 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: on the defensive side. You know there's you know, there's 649 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: being physical on the college level, and then that physicality 650 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: increases tenfold at the NFL level. And I do think 651 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: you know that hit on Cam Newton that you reference, 652 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: I would much rather see that and then have it 653 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: being a teaching point recognizing who has the football, because 654 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: if that's a running back, that's a tie end, a 655 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: wide receiver, the flag is never going up in the air. 656 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: But because it's a quarterback, you have to pay a 657 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: little bit more attention and maybe ease up on the gas, 658 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: so to speak. As Bruce Arians always like to say, 659 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: it's better to say whoa than sick him. And I 660 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: think the Cardinals have someone in Isaiah him and is 661 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: always going to go full speed and not be afraid. 662 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: I think we did learn that now. It's like, Okay, 663 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: recognize certain situations. You don't need to go full speed 664 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: at the quarterback with under two minutes to go in 665 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. Be a little bit smarter. And I 666 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: think that's easier to teach a younger player than hey, 667 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: we need you to be something that you're not because 668 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: you haven't shown it yet. And sometimes there are players 669 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: that get caught on that side. Those are all valued points. 670 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: And I agree with you, But he was trying to 671 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: make a play. I mean again, if the game is 672 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: so fast, I mean, but we all knew that at 673 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: least watching that Cam was not going to throw the football. 674 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 1: But anyways, we digress. That happened last year. But I 675 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: agree with you. That's a learning to no down in 676 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: distance so you can get your team off get your 677 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: offense on the field. So you've got Zaven Collins and 678 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons as your two inside linebackers, who's behind those 679 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: two players as we continue here on Cardinals Cover two 680 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: presented by Hunday, probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals. And 681 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: that's why there is a big question mark at inside linebacker. 682 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: Knock On Wood, Collins and Simmons are healthy first and foremost, 683 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: and they make this work because if they don't. Here's 684 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: who's behind them. The returners, Jordan Hicks, Tanner vallejo Ezekiel 685 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: Turner and Evan Weaver. Lajo and Turner our core special 686 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: teams players. They're going to be active on game day. 687 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: We Ever spent all of last season on the practice squad, 688 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 1: the former sixth round pick in twenty twenty, not sure 689 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 1: what his role on the team is going to be. 690 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: And then you have Jordan Hicks, and we've talked about him, 691 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: and we've talked about the inside linebacker position probably more 692 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 1: than any other position this offseason outside of quarterback, just 693 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 1: because the dynamics here. And you're giving two young players 694 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: starting jobs, whether they've earned it or not. I would 695 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: err on the side that they haven't quite And then 696 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: you have a proven starter and Jordan Hicks, who, according 697 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: to reports, has been given permission to seek a trade. 698 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: He was not present for OTA's and mini camp. Question 699 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: is where does that leave the Cardinals and Jordan Hicks 700 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: with respects too, if Collins and Simmons are the guy 701 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: who's your backup? Because I think Jordan Hicks would be 702 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: a perfect backup, but you don't want someone on your 703 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: team that doesn't want to be here. Well, I think 704 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: the folks over the last two years, because they drafted 705 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: two inside linebackers eighth and sixteenth overall, and you know, 706 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks, it was a good signing, you know, and 707 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 1: I think he obviously played a ton of snaps and 708 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: he gave this team a lot of leadership in that 709 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: locker room and on the field, well respected. You know. 710 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 1: I hope it all works out because they need some 711 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: depth at this position. Now he's a pro, he's under contract. 712 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: Something may happen in training camp. But if everyone's on 713 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 1: the same page, and obviously they had an agreement to 714 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,720 Speaker 1: where he wasn't going to be here and they understood 715 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: that he's a prom they can use him. I mean 716 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,800 Speaker 1: nothing against these other guys. Now, clearly, you know a 717 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: lot of those tackles were four or five dollars yards 718 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: down the line of scriptas but that really isn't on him. 719 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: That's on the d line and covering tight ends. Probably 720 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: wasn't the best matchup for the Cardinals, But sometimes I 721 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: told you earlier teams are gonna try to look for matchups. 722 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 1: They're gonna try to put him on the outside. It's 723 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,360 Speaker 1: tough to cover. I thought Campbell the vine train. Campbell 724 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: did a nice job last year when it comes to 725 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: covering the tight ends. I thought the Cardinals would bring 726 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,959 Speaker 1: him back. Unfortunately he signed with the Packers. Good for him, 727 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: so but there, you know, I don't know if it's 728 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: a position where they're concerned because Hicks has the experience 729 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: and I think he'll be a pro when he comes. 730 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: When he's in the gamer out of the game, you know, 731 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 1: I think he'll try to help these young guys. I 732 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: really do, because they're all pulling the same rope. They 733 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: want to win. He did accept a pay cut this offseason, 734 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 1: so he's making two million dollars base salary. He's year 735 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: three into a four year contracts and I think he 736 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: could serve both as far as a mentor and someone 737 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 1: to bring up both Collins and Simmons and then be 738 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 1: that guy as a backup or a rotation player as well, 739 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: because valet Hoope didn't see a lot of defensive snaps. 740 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: In fact, most of his defensive snaps last season came 741 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: in Week seventeen against the Rams, and Turner only saw 742 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,319 Speaker 1: six defensive snaps last season. Now, I know he would 743 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 1: like to be on the field a lot more, but 744 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 1: there's just not a lot of depth behind your two 745 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: starters as far as experienced depth, especially if you'll lose 746 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks for one reason or another. I don't see 747 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: him getting released. That just that doesn't make sense to 748 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: me unless there's just something we're not we're not privy too, 749 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 1: and we're no, we don't know what the rest of 750 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 1: the story is, as they like to say. I just 751 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 1: it just doesn't sit well with me right now. And 752 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,319 Speaker 1: maybe that changes, but I would I would certainly hope 753 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks is on this team to be that backup 754 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,279 Speaker 1: and to be that mentor well, because I want to say, um, 755 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: I think it was in that Seattle game where the 756 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: Tanner Vallejo made that tackle, it wasn't yeah against the Seahawks, Yeah, 757 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 1: because Jordan Hicks. And then that's where Isaiah got the 758 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: pick right, correct? Yeah, So I mean they again, both 759 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 1: of those guys are core special teams players, but I 760 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 1: think they can plain in a pinch. I think Zeke 761 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,399 Speaker 1: Turner's kind of underrated. M Lejo's just gonna He's kinda 762 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,799 Speaker 1: just gonna outsmart you. I mean, the guy's last thing 763 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 1: in the league. It's just they don't have the same 764 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 1: athleticism as we're talking about what Collins and Simmons. Now, 765 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 1: Vallejo did sign a two year contract this office, and 766 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 1: Eason was an unrestricted free agent. Turner was restricted. I 767 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: don't know if you can read into that any as 768 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 1: far as Vallejo getting a two year deal that you 769 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,280 Speaker 1: see him maybe being that backup, that mentor in addition 770 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: to what he does on special teams. And we've talked 771 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: a lot about the influence of Jeff Rogers on the roster, 772 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 1: and maybe Vallejo becomes that guy. It's just it would 773 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 1: be hard for me to all of a sudden have 774 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 1: Vallejo being in there a lot. As far as playing 775 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 1: defense right out of the gates in a pinch because 776 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,759 Speaker 1: it's not working out with Collins and Simmons, I don't 777 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,359 Speaker 1: see that happening. I mean, Hicks would be the first 778 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 1: guy up, you would assume right correct, just based on experience, 779 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: and maybe you can try to cover some of the 780 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 1: stuff he does and let Collins do his thing because 781 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: Hicks is more Collins is replacing Hicks week side of 782 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 1: mics that are totally different with the scheme ask for. 783 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll just have to let us see a 784 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 1: play out. But again, a lot of the five to 785 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,839 Speaker 1: eight guys are going to be on the roster, and 786 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 1: we're talking about backups here in Valejo and Turner, and 787 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 1: you know, Zeke Turner probably feels like, you know, I've 788 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 1: done everything I can and maybe that's why he got 789 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,440 Speaker 1: the tender. Next year he gets a chance to go 790 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,719 Speaker 1: out and be a free agent. I mean trend Scherfield 791 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,759 Speaker 1: felt like, you know, if the Niners are gonna give 792 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 1: me options at wide receiver. Again, these guys stick around 793 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 1: the league because they do their job. You don't have 794 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 1: to worry about these guys. They're going to show up 795 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 1: their work every day. They're not going to make the 796 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 1: mental airs and you can never have enough guys like 797 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: that as depth on the roster. So I like where 798 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: they are. I think we know what they are and 799 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,400 Speaker 1: now it's a matter if they get an opportunity to 800 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,960 Speaker 1: take advantage of it. And I'm sir Turner saw the 801 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 1: opportunity given to Dennis Gardeck and how Guardeck excelled at 802 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 1: point limited number of defensive snaps. Yet what do you 803 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,399 Speaker 1: do when your numbers called? And Garduck excelled at being 804 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,840 Speaker 1: that pass rusher in key situations and obvious passing downs. 805 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 1: Can Turner elevate his game to that status when he 806 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,719 Speaker 1: gets the chance? Again, you know, I don't know how 807 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: you would measure that as far as sacks interceptions to 808 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: pass deflections. But Turner, I'm sure I wouldn't say jealousy. 809 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 1: But everyone that is a quote unquote core special teams player, 810 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 1: that's a position player, always wants to be on the 811 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,920 Speaker 1: offense or defensive side and not just be that special 812 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: teams guy that you can roll out on special situations. 813 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,720 Speaker 1: I just don't see. Because Garduck was a pass rusher 814 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,320 Speaker 1: and channeling went down, they moved into the outside. But 815 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 1: just because it's a size, so I don't think ever 816 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,240 Speaker 1: put up those kind of numbers. But again, he's active 817 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 1: around the ball and it's probably more on teams. But again, 818 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,279 Speaker 1: you can't. I just like the fact that, yes, there's 819 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,359 Speaker 1: a drop off, but if you put these guys in there, 820 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: they're not going to make a mental mistake that's going 821 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,720 Speaker 1: to cost you a game. Now, there's two other players 822 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,120 Speaker 1: that we needed to speak about as far as inside 823 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:04,720 Speaker 1: linebacker is concerned. Two newcomers, Jamal Carter and Donald Rutledge, 824 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:09,000 Speaker 1: both by the way, mentioned during episode three of Cardinal's 825 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 1: Flight Plan by Kingsbury who said, quote twenty seven and 826 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: forty three are both tough, big, smart guys, and they 827 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:21,760 Speaker 1: take it serious too, and quote Kingsbury is not one 828 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 1: to call up guys if you will mention guys by 829 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,920 Speaker 1: name or number. As far as being specific and highlighting 830 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,440 Speaker 1: the players, he doesn't praise and he doesn't criticize publicly. 831 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,239 Speaker 1: And now you caught just a small glimpse of Kingsbury 832 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,400 Speaker 1: miked up on Cardinal's flight Plan talking about two new guys. 833 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 1: I mean Carter and Rutledge, both six one, two, fifteen 834 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,720 Speaker 1: to ten respectively, and players that are at least four. Carter, 835 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 1: this is a position change for him. He's got four 836 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 1: seasons of experience at safety, twenty eight career games, and 837 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:02,400 Speaker 1: that connection with Vance Joseph, who was Carter's head coach, 838 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,399 Speaker 1: in Denver and twenty seventeen, Carter made the Broncos as 839 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,719 Speaker 1: a rookie free agent, and then Rutledge was with the 840 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,040 Speaker 1: Colts as a rookie free agent last season and released 841 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 1: in final cuts. But when we get to training camp 842 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 1: at State Farm Stadium, MG, I think maybe there'll be 843 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,440 Speaker 1: people that look for twenty seven and forty three. Can 844 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,440 Speaker 1: they flash not just on special teams, but do some 845 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,919 Speaker 1: things on defense as well. I'm intrigued with Carter. Nothing 846 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 1: against Rutledge. I guess I had they had two forty 847 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,160 Speaker 1: three jerseys out there. There's a forty three offense and defense. Yes, 848 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,440 Speaker 1: So I didn't really hone in on that. But Carter's 849 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,640 Speaker 1: interested in me. And I know this is kind of 850 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,720 Speaker 1: a bad word around here when you use the word hybrid. 851 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,719 Speaker 1: It's worked and it hasn't worked. But I mean, you 852 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,280 Speaker 1: can never have enough of those guys. I mean his size, 853 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,279 Speaker 1: I mean six one two fifteen. I don't know he's 854 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 1: like Raynock Thompson's size, but I wonder what is mean. 855 00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,160 Speaker 1: He's a safety, so he can also play in the 856 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:04,200 Speaker 1: boxes as a hybrid linebacker. And again they tried that 857 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 1: with Buchanan, A Sun Reddick. They made it very clear 858 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 1: on draft night Collins is the mic linebacker. They made 859 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,280 Speaker 1: it very clear last year that Simmons was the weak side. 860 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,319 Speaker 1: So I don't want to push the envelope, but I'm 861 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,560 Speaker 1: curious about his size because you don't want to pigeonhole 862 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,360 Speaker 1: somebody that's making this position change. In worst case scenarios, 863 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 1: he could play safety too. Yeah, and you look at 864 00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,160 Speaker 1: the safety position, which we've discussed here on Cardinals Cover 865 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,120 Speaker 1: two presented by Hunday, probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals. 866 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,680 Speaker 1: Seven players in that safety room, if you will, and 867 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,320 Speaker 1: maybe an inside linebacker if needed. You pull a cardinal 868 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: or Rutledge off from inside linebacker duties to safety duties. 869 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 1: And I think that to your point about hybrid that 870 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 1: makes you more valuable as a player. If you're looking 871 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:50,839 Speaker 1: to get on the fifty three man roster and you're 872 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,680 Speaker 1: going through that ninety man at the starting goal, Gee, 873 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,839 Speaker 1: we've got to get rid of certain players. And if 874 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 1: there is a guy on that roster that can do 875 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,120 Speaker 1: more than one thing and not just play special teams, 876 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,760 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you become more valuable because 877 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,440 Speaker 1: you become not only on the fifty three man roster, 878 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,480 Speaker 1: but you become active on game day because you can 879 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,920 Speaker 1: go in and play different spots. It's like an offensive 880 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,600 Speaker 1: lineman being able to play all five spots, a wide 881 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,759 Speaker 1: receiver being able to play each position. And I think 882 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,680 Speaker 1: those guys can be in this league for a very 883 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,520 Speaker 1: long time if given the opportunity. We'll just have to 884 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,719 Speaker 1: see if Carter and Rutledge can take advantage of that opportunity. 885 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,080 Speaker 1: And I like the fact that he's at twenty eight 886 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 1: career games. I think it's difficult for a rookie to 887 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,919 Speaker 1: come in and learn five different positions. Now, again, they've 888 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,440 Speaker 1: tried to slow play Simmons last year obviously injuries and 889 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,440 Speaker 1: they moved him around a little bit here. So the 890 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,239 Speaker 1: fact is that he's got some experience, so he knows 891 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,200 Speaker 1: what his strength is and he's trying to stay in 892 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,000 Speaker 1: the league here. So whether it's a safety or a linebacker, 893 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,359 Speaker 1: I'll be watching him in training camp. You know who's 894 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:58,000 Speaker 1: wearing the other forty three psychovits? Yep, let's see. I 895 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,239 Speaker 1: was paying attention to the other four forty three on 896 00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,359 Speaker 1: offense forty three on defense, Yes, because I'm like, that 897 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,040 Speaker 1: doesn't look like a sign Reddick out there and it 898 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,319 Speaker 1: doesn't look like an inside linebacker, So I gotta pay 899 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,480 Speaker 1: attention to the other forty. But these are names that 900 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,080 Speaker 1: you've fled the position. Nothing against Tanner, of Lajo and 901 00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,239 Speaker 1: Zeke Turner, even though we know what they can do 902 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 1: on teams. You got to you got to create some 903 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,920 Speaker 1: depth there at that position. And to me, as we 904 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,200 Speaker 1: started off the show talking about the inside linebacker spot, 905 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,880 Speaker 1: I'm optimistic. I know they got enough veteran presence on 906 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,160 Speaker 1: that side of the ball will help the Collins and Simmons, 907 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 1: But it's just to me a question mark going in 908 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,200 Speaker 1: how does it play out during the season. Before we 909 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,720 Speaker 1: close up this edition of Cardinals cover two presented by Hunday, 910 00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:46,200 Speaker 1: probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals, we referenced Flight Plan 911 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:50,960 Speaker 1: and episode three, which again is up and available on 912 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,800 Speaker 1: YouTube dot com slash Azy Cardinals, the Cardinals official YouTube channel. 913 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,160 Speaker 1: You can catch up on all past episodes as well, 914 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,160 Speaker 1: and it was interesting to watch this episode three. In 915 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,200 Speaker 1: addition to what Kingsbury had to say, he was also 916 00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,399 Speaker 1: caught on a conversation with Christian Kirk about, Hey, how 917 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,640 Speaker 1: do you like playing inside? As far as inside wide receiver. Well, 918 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,959 Speaker 1: that's something that we've discussed here on Cardinals Cover two. 919 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,799 Speaker 1: And then there was Steve Kime discussing Kingsbury about his 920 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,560 Speaker 1: growth as a head coach and spending time a little 921 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,200 Speaker 1: bit more with the defense and special team, something you 922 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,640 Speaker 1: noticed right away during OTA's and mini camps. So bottom 923 00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,799 Speaker 1: line is Mike Drecky produced the I Guess the Ghostwriter 924 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,359 Speaker 1: if you will, for this latest episode of Cardinal's flight plan. 925 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,000 Speaker 1: Things that we talk about here on air that MJ 926 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,440 Speaker 1: brings up maybe a little birdie in that fly on 927 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,440 Speaker 1: the wall, if you will, But it was interesting to 928 00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,799 Speaker 1: see and in here because I do think specifically about 929 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,040 Speaker 1: Christian Kirk that if he knows where he's going to 930 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,000 Speaker 1: be from the get go, not inside outside, kind of 931 00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,759 Speaker 1: like the ping pong ball, that of an andy is 932 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,680 Speaker 1: a well what position are you going to play? And 933 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,280 Speaker 1: I think the Cardinals did Isabella a disservice his rookie 934 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,759 Speaker 1: year and they've acknowledged that. But if Christian Kirk can 935 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:11,479 Speaker 1: be that successful inside receiver along with the rondel Moore 936 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,399 Speaker 1: who knows what happens offensively, it makes total sense if 937 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,040 Speaker 1: you didn't have a J Green on the team We 938 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,800 Speaker 1: know that Kirk can play on the outside. I prefer 939 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,480 Speaker 1: a little taller receiver. We know that he can take 940 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,440 Speaker 1: the top off the defense. He's shown that, you know 941 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,400 Speaker 1: when Kyler stormed the ball to him. But this is 942 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,000 Speaker 1: this is the perfect spot for him to get to 943 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,000 Speaker 1: slam passes going. You know, I'm sure they'll rotate if 944 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,560 Speaker 1: they want to go four wide. You've got two guys 945 00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,359 Speaker 1: that can plain in the stock slot, rondel Moore and Kirk. 946 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,400 Speaker 1: We know he's got a chip on his shoulder. And 947 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,320 Speaker 1: Kingsbury he said, you know, we could move to the outside, 948 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,680 Speaker 1: but right now this is going to be your natural position. 949 00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,960 Speaker 1: And there was a log jam there with Larry last 950 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,480 Speaker 1: year and Andy Isabella. I think right now it's a 951 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,920 Speaker 1: one two punch between Kirk and rondel Moore. By the way, 952 00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:55,000 Speaker 1: your next assignment, MJ, is to get us invited to 953 00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,319 Speaker 1: the annual Offensive Line cook Off. This was also a 954 00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:03,359 Speaker 1: discussed on Cardinals Fly Plan episode three. Basically, pot luck, 955 00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,120 Speaker 1: everyone brings in something and then apparently the big winner 956 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,160 Speaker 1: each of the past three years is DJ Humphries is 957 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,520 Speaker 1: banana pudding. So if you can't get us on the 958 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,040 Speaker 1: judging panel, MJ maybe you can get us some banana 959 00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,920 Speaker 1: pudding upstairs, so we can actually as opposed to just 960 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,600 Speaker 1: hearing and watching this happen, we can get a little 961 00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,440 Speaker 1: taste of what Humphries is able to do in the kitchen. Well, 962 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,360 Speaker 1: you can always ask, you know. Last year we unfortunately 963 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,799 Speaker 1: we didn't have our pot luck you know events, and 964 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,480 Speaker 1: hopefully I can come back. Our third floor is getting 965 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,479 Speaker 1: much busier and that's a good thing. Right. I thought 966 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,600 Speaker 1: it was gonna be like somebody's house. Now I think 967 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,320 Speaker 1: it's hard to get these guys once they lead the 968 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,239 Speaker 1: facilities that everyone didn't show up, but Kugler was. He was, 969 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,920 Speaker 1: Michael Michael Bidwell, it was It was just funny. And 970 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,719 Speaker 1: then Kyler Murray chimes in at the end about the 971 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,480 Speaker 1: meat loaf or what was it? What was the option? 972 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,600 Speaker 1: I believe the bacon wrapped meat loaf. Yeah, and there 973 00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,560 Speaker 1: was something else, but yeah, Sean Coogler obvious Lee did 974 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,799 Speaker 1: not win and let everyone know about its quotes. The 975 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:09,040 Speaker 1: depth chart will be changed based on the voting end quotes. 976 00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:14,000 Speaker 1: Sean Coogler very sneaky, funny. If you wish he was 977 00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,279 Speaker 1: up there, Oh yeah, dry your export every time, you know, 978 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,960 Speaker 1: took a vote, but I didn't see Kyler, but I 979 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,280 Speaker 1: heard him, and Kyler's vote was as an aciding vote. 980 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,640 Speaker 1: See that's what happens when you're in a franchise school. Yeah, 981 00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,440 Speaker 1: I see. You'd expect that he should have that much 982 00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,600 Speaker 1: pull out much power within the organization. Again, Episode three 983 00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,399 Speaker 1: Cardinals Flight Plan titled Winning Recipe. If you haven't seen 984 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,280 Speaker 1: it again, can't recommend it enough. YouTube dot com slash 985 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,520 Speaker 1: Asy Cardinals, and you can catch up on all past 986 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,960 Speaker 1: episodes as well on the Cardinal's official YouTube channel. On 987 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,200 Speaker 1: that note, let's put a lid on this edition of 988 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,200 Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two, presented by Hunday, probably partner of the 989 00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,840 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. As always special thanks to our executive producer 990 00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,680 Speaker 1: Jim Almahundro. We continued to go position by position here 991 00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,560 Speaker 1: as we go into training camp. Should be a lot 992 00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,920 Speaker 1: of fun as we get ready for the twenty twenty 993 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,160 Speaker 1: one regular season. That's Mike Jarecki. I'm Greg Riel Loup. 994 00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,439 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover 995 00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:08,719 Speaker 1: two