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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: A hotel full of blood discovered after the murders of

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Speaker 2: a Hollywood legend, the iconic Rob Reiner and his beautiful wife,

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Speaker 2: Michelle Singer. Reiner both stabbed Dad, multiple stab wounds, both

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Speaker 2: their throats.

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Speaker 3: Slit in their own home.

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Speaker 2: I mean, see, Grace, this is crime Stories. I want

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Speaker 2: to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 4: Bub Reiner, an accomplished Hollywood director, has it all, a

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Speaker 4: thriving career, a beautiful family, and a picture perfect life.

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Speaker 4: But behind the scenes, deep family struggles begin to arise.

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Speaker 2: As information is now lee king out, we hear the

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Speaker 2: original NA one to a fire department.

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Speaker 3: Listen here one c.

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Speaker 6: Approximately three point forty this afternoon, Los Ange Police officers,

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Speaker 6: along with the Los Angeles City Fire Department, responded to

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Speaker 6: the two hundred block of Chadbourne Avenue here in the

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Speaker 6: city of Brentwood. Upon arrival, they determined that there were

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Speaker 6: two deceased individuals inside of the residents.

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Speaker 2: Joining us tonight, Jessica Finn, senior investigative reporter US Sun,

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Speaker 2: whose latest article deals with what led up that night

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Speaker 2: to the murders of Rob.

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Speaker 3: Reiner and wife Michelle Singer Reiner.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about how the fire department ended up being

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Speaker 2: the first responder.

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Speaker 3: Let's just start right there.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Nancy, So apparently Rob and Michelle Reiner had a

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Speaker 7: planned massage appointment that afternoon on during the afternoon on Sunday,

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Speaker 7: and when they didn't answer the door, the messuse kept

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Speaker 7: trying to call and knock and ring the bell, and

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Speaker 7: eventually she decided that she was going to leave, and

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Speaker 7: so they're orders came across the streets. She lives right

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Speaker 7: across the road, and decided to check on her parents,

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Speaker 7: and that's when she discovered that her parents were no

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Speaker 7: longer with us. And she called nine one one. And

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Speaker 7: what's interesting about that nine one one call?

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Speaker 2: Do she immediately sure, Jessica no longer with us? Okay, Jessica,

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Speaker 2: I am a crime victim of violent crime. I've devoted

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Speaker 2: my life to seeking the truth in our criminal justice system.

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Speaker 3: I am a former learning prosecutor.

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Speaker 2: Who specialized in murders, serial rape, serial chimeless station in

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Speaker 2: arson of any type. So it's not that they are

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Speaker 2: no longer with us. They were murdered. And I'm going

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Speaker 2: to explain tonight, along with this panel of experts, how

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Speaker 2: police knew immediately when they entered that home.

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Speaker 3: This was no suicide. Pack was no suicide murder.

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Speaker 2: They knew that Robiner beloved and his wife, the inspiration

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Speaker 2: for the end of When Harry Met Sally, were murdered. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you know what, Jessica, I want to go to Doctor

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Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall joining us tonight renounce psycho analysts from.

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Speaker 3: This jurisdiction, author of deal Breaker.

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Speaker 2: You can see her now on Peacock and you can

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Speaker 2: find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Bethany Marshall.

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Speaker 2: I've been to many, well countless murder scenes, but it

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Speaker 2: sticks in my mind my own dad at his funeral,

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Speaker 2: when I hugged him in the coffin and fixed his hair.

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I wish I had never done that, because that's

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Speaker 2: that memory. I can't imagine what it does to a child.

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Speaker 2: This is romy they're one of their children who lived

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Speaker 2: across the street from them, comes over walking in thinking

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Speaker 3: The TV's not on, the Christmas music's not playing. What

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Speaker 2: She will never get that out of her mind, and

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Speaker 2: she must have not been able to accept it at first,

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Speaker 2: like why are mom and dad in the floor, and

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Speaker 3: They had multiple stab.

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Speaker 2: Wounds, multiple which Jove Scott's gonna probably tell us in

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Speaker 2: a few moments that subdued them before their throats were slashed.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Bethany, rob Reiner was one of the kindest

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Speaker 3: I happened, he happened to be friendly for no reason.

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Speaker 3: He didn't have to do that.

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Speaker 2: He's an icon when we were living out there during

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Speaker 2: You know, one of those people that their warmth and

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Speaker 2: secret to a happy marriage? And he said, Mary, somebody happy.

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Speaker 2: So I'm guessing his wife Michelle saying temperament. But back

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Speaker 3: She will never get past that, Bethany.

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Speaker 8: Nancy. I have an unforgettable memory about you your book

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Speaker 8: signing many years ago. Everybody was leaving and I heard

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Speaker 8: this blood curdling scream and I thought, who just screamed?

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Speaker 8: And it was you, and what had happened was your

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Speaker 8: dad had fainted, and you were so concerned that you screamed.

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Speaker 8: You love your dad so much and you were so

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Speaker 8: scared to see him like that. And I will never

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Speaker 8: forget that, Nancy, And I think about this daughter who

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Speaker 8: lived across the street from her. That's how close this

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Speaker 8: family was. Her kids were with grandma and grandpa every

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Speaker 8: single day. Coming across a scene like that, seeing your

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Speaker 8: parents stabbed, and all of a sudden reality, the reality

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Speaker 8: that something has happened to them, matches some sense of

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Speaker 8: did somebody and my family contribute to this? You know, Nancy,

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Speaker 8: Trauma is not just what happens to us. It's witnessing

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Speaker 8: something horrible happening to the people we love the most.

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Speaker 1: That's more.

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Speaker 8: That's more traumatic than an individual being raped or you know, accosted, assaulted,

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Speaker 8: something bad happening to them is looking at the people

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Speaker 8: And that's this poor daughter had to go through, not

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Speaker 8: seen that they had suffered in this violent, violent scene.

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Speaker 3: You know, Bethany, you just brought up a really good point.

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Speaker 2: And guys, we are getting right back to the facts, okay,

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Speaker 2: what we know as of tonight. But Bethany, you just ignited,

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Speaker 2: reignited a memory. We used to live right across the

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Speaker 3: Daughter after she upraised us. And it was very, very loving.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's a testament to Rhiner and Singer

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Speaker 2: You know, they gave her whatever she wanted, they you know,

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Speaker 3: That tells me how close the family was and.

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Speaker 8: How well that is important, Nancy, because of what you're saying,

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Speaker 8: the family was close, but also whoever did this to

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Speaker 8: and their grandchildren. And we have to hold that in

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Speaker 8: our minds as we talk about this double homicide, that

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Speaker 8: these were very, very very loving parents and grandparents.

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Speaker 9: LAPD responded to a residence the residents of Rob and

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Speaker 9: Michelle Reiner, located in West Los Angeles Division. At that location,

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Speaker 9: they found two deceased adults, a male and a female.

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Speaker 9: Through the night, working with the Coroner's office, they were

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Speaker 9: able to identify them definitively as Rob and Michelle Reiner.

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Speaker 10: Unable to get in touch with their parents all day Sunday,

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Speaker 10: Rummy Reinder decides to make a house visit. Around three

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Speaker 10: point thirty, Rummy lets herself into their Brentwood home and

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Speaker 10: discovers a horror scene. Rob and Michelle Reiner stabbed and

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Speaker 2: You were hearing Chief Jim McDonald LAPD. Now earlier you

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Speaker 2: were hearing from the Deputy Chief, Alan Hamilton.

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Speaker 3: This is from our friends at Fox eleven. You know I.

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Speaker 2: Noticed at the get go, at the very get go,

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Speaker 2: straight out to Rob Shooter joining us p R Guru

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Speaker 2: who has worked with every Hollywood celebrity.

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Speaker 3: I can think of.

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Speaker 2: Author of a brand new book and it's amazing. It's

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Speaker 2: on Amazon titled It Started with a Whisper, Rob. Did

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Speaker 2: you notice at the beginning, at the very beginning, Hamilton,

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Speaker 2: Deputy Chief Hamilton did not reveal who the deceased were.

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Speaker 2: I mean, anyone, especially in our business, could figure out

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Speaker 2: adult male, adult female aged seventy eight and sixty eight

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Speaker 2: found in the home of Hollywood legend Rob Reiner. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: who else can it be? So we knew, but the

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Speaker 2: LA Law enforcement would not stated.

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Speaker 3: Did you notice that? I wonder why I did? I did?

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Speaker 11: I noticed this. I find my experience and I've been

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Speaker 11: doing this a long time, Nancy is the police departments

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Speaker 11: are very very cautious, very very careful. Their pr departments,

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Speaker 11: their spokespeople never ever want to put out information that

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Speaker 11: they have to change. So they always air on the

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Speaker 11: side of being cautious. Why would they not. Now as reporters,

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Speaker 11: this was once again an example of a police department

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Speaker 11: being cautious. Probably a good idea. However, I do think

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Speaker 11: there probably should be some changes here. As technology has progressed.

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Speaker 11: You can see things now on social media. We were

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Speaker 11: watching videos from outside the host the house being live streamed.

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Speaker 11: Nancy and so the news has really picked up its pace.

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Speaker 11: It's fast, it's changing every ten to fifteen minutes. The

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Speaker 2: You know, Rob, Can I see the video of Ryaner

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Speaker 2: him the first time I met him, very very kind.

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Speaker 2: and at first I thought it was his father, because

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Speaker 2: they look very similar. And of course when you see

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Speaker 2: him in all of his professional photos, he's all different

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Speaker 2: than he looks in that and the video we're showing you.

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Speaker 3: But that's how he looked.

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Speaker 2: That night when I first saw the photo, I mean,

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Speaker 2: his dad, that's Meathead, that's Rob Ryner. And I was

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Speaker 2: immediately starstruck because of his brilliance.

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Speaker 3: His brilliance, you know, when he first appeared on All in.

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Speaker 2: The Family as Meathead, one of his iconic roles, I

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Speaker 2: don't think people realized just how brilliant he was unless

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Speaker 3: It's amazing.

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Speaker 2: And instead of being a bit character in that, he

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Speaker 3: I mean, he was a star on screen and off.

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Speaker 3: But that is how he looked when I first met him.

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Speaker 2: Except in his beautiful, gorgeous suit, not all decked out

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Speaker 3: He was just genuine. He was.

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Speaker 11: He was, that's the word, Nancy genuine. I was lucky

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Speaker 3: Immediately they knew it was a homicide.

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Speaker 2: And I want to clarify when I said this is

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Speaker 3: Like, Wow, this place is beautiful or whatever translation. That

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Speaker 14: This is a bloody crime scene. The officers knew right

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Speaker 6: Listen, the current death investigation that is being conducted by

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Speaker 2: That from our friends at Fox eleven, you were hearing

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Speaker 2: They're always referred to as the elite LAPD Homicide Unit.

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Speaker 12: Well, first of all, they have exceptional train Typically they've

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Speaker 12: But when you put a Greenhorn in there to investigate

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Speaker 2: You know what, You're so right about that, Philip Debey,

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Speaker 2: As you say, Greenhorn may not know automatically, and they

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Speaker 3: I remember going, why do they why do those guys

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Speaker 3: It is an elite group. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So it goes from the death investigation being handled by

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Speaker 3: They get the first lead, Listen.

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Speaker 16: Romi immediately implicates a dangerous family member, warning authorities they

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Speaker 2: From Fox eleven, Okay, where does this fit into what

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Speaker 2: you've got first of all, a woman did not do

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Speaker 2: So we can throw out romy who called police to

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Speaker 3: It's not a woman.

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Speaker 2: So you've got the one son in the business living

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Speaker 13: Yeah, what we're hearing right now, Nancy, is that there

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Speaker 13: of the neck or the anterior and Nancy, here's one

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Speaker 13: more thing in order to facilitate this. It's not like

438
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Speaker 13: you see in the movies where somebody just walks up

439
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 13: and slashes somebody's throat. This is an event that has

440
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 13: to take place where they're being stabbed, subdued, perhaps they

441
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 13: go to the ground. They're fighting for their life, and

442
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 13: the one person that is perpetrating this has to get

443
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Speaker 13: the upper hand. They apply pressure. This requires pressure in

444
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Speaker 13: order to force a knife through the flesh on the neck,

445
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Speaker 13: and they drag it across the neck. So what they're

446
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 13: saying is not only was this done once, this is

447
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 13: done twice to two separate subjects. Here, both mister Reiner

448
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 13: and his wife were both injured this way, and this

449
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Speaker 13: goes to the dynamic of the environment. We still don't

450
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Speaker 13: have an indication as to the proximity of both of

451
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Speaker 13: the victims to one another. But you know, this has

452
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Speaker 13: been running through my mind ever since the story dropped.

453
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 13: Was the perpetrator in the midst of attacking attacking mister Reiner,

454
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Speaker 13: perhaps because he of the two is the largest. You

455
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Speaker 13: have to take him out, and then the wife comes in,

456
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Speaker 13: sees this happening. She begins to get stabbed, and then

457
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Speaker 13: her throat is cut. I don't know, we'll find out more,

458
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Speaker 13: but this is going to be an absolute bloody mess

459
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Speaker 13: when you think about the injuries, and particularly with the neck,

460
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Speaker 13: because you know what we get when we get neck

461
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Speaker 13: wounds like this, Nancy, we get that arterial spray that

462
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Speaker 13: we're always talking about. If there's still life in the body,

463
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Speaker 13: that blood is literally going to pulse out, not just

464
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Speaker 13: onto the surrounding surfaces, not just onto the victim, but

465
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Speaker 13: also onto the perpetrator as well.

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Speaker 2: You say pulse out, it's kind of an arterial bleed.

467
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Speaker 2: Is like a water sprinkler yep, with every heartbeat. Also,

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Speaker 2: I think we're gonna get the scenario by where the

469
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Speaker 2: bodies are found. If they're lying there together, side by side,

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Speaker 2: that sounds like posing. If you can see obviously one

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Speaker 2: person you suggested, the wife Michelle Singer, writer running toward

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Speaker 2: Rob to help him or vice versa. I think you'll

473
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Speaker 2: be able to tell the scenario. Do you'll be able

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Speaker 2: to deduce it from where the bodies were laying when

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Speaker 2: the authorities got there.

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Speaker 3: But what we are learning tonight is what, Yeah.

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Speaker 13: One more thing. If the individual that perpetrated this nancy

478
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Speaker 13: is wearing shoes, okay, you will be able to see

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Speaker 13: And I've seen this countless numbers of times. It seems

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Speaker 13: like this. They will leave behind literally bloody shoeprints that

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Speaker 13: can be tied back to that specific individual, and we're not.

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Speaker 13: And you have to think of it this way. When

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Speaker 13: you look at the shoe prints. Did you know that

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Speaker 13: at scenes, when we take those images, when we take

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Speaker 13: those lifts, we can actually deduce wear patterns on the shoes,

486
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Speaker 13: and that's a specific tie back to a perpetrator. People

487
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,239
Speaker 13: always think about DNA, they think about fingerprints and all this,

488
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 13: but blood is an interesting medium in this sense because

489
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Speaker 13: it attaches itself. So every time you have these points

490
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Speaker 13: of contact all over the place, that's something that you

491
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Speaker 13: really have to dig into. If this person fled the scene,

492
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Speaker 13: not only are you gonna have blood at the scene,

493
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Speaker 13: you're gonna have blood either outside of the residents where

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Speaker 13: they left on foot, maybe in a vehicle, and then

495
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Speaker 13: actually where they wound up where they came to rest

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Speaker 13: as well.

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Speaker 4: At a holiday party, Mike's mental health issues escalate into

498
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Speaker 4: a heated argument with his parents, forcing Robin Michelle to

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Speaker 4: leave abruptly. Hours later, they are found brutally stabbed to

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Speaker 4: death in their home.

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Speaker 2: Is there a motive for the double murder of Rob

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Speaker 2: Reiner and wife Michelle Singer Reiner? Straight back out to

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Speaker 2: investigative Report Senior investigator reporter us Son Jessica Fann, What

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Speaker 2: happened at the party the night before.

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Speaker 11: Nancy.

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Speaker 7: My sources are telling me that there was a pretty

507
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Speaker 7: big argument between Rob Michelle and their son Nick at

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Speaker 7: Conan O'Brien's holiday party. This is a pretty swanky party.

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Speaker 7: It's an annual party. A lot of big celebrities were

510
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Speaker 7: in attendant. We were told that Nick's basically was acting

511
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 7: erratically at the party, kind of going up to people

512
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Speaker 7: saying strange things, and during the party he got into

513
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Speaker 7: an argument with his parents, and it's unclear exactly what

514
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Speaker 7: the argument was about. There is some speculation. We won't

515
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Speaker 7: go there right now, but there was definitely a bit

516
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Speaker 7: of an altercation during the party that people notice, and

517
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Speaker 7: this argument got pretty loud.

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Speaker 2: So the whole.

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Speaker 7: Disagreement started kind of much earlier in the night from

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Speaker 7: what we're hearing.

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Speaker 3: Okay, wait a minute. You said there's speculation about what

522
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Speaker 3: the argument was about. What's his speculation.

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Speaker 7: Well, so has had a very long and troubled history

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Speaker 7: with drugs. He's been in and out of rehab seventeen times,

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Speaker 7: and so there's been a lot of speculation that he

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Speaker 7: was possibly on some sort of drugs that night. He

527
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Speaker 7: didn't look well, he didn't look like he was in

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Speaker 7: his normal state of consciousness, and people have speculated that

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Speaker 7: his parents were once again trying to get him back

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Speaker 7: into a rehab program. And he's been really resistant through

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Speaker 7: the years to get the help that he's so desperately

532
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Speaker 7: clearly needed, and the speculation was that this argument probably

533
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Speaker 7: focused on him trying to his parents trying to get

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Speaker 7: him help again.

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Speaker 2: You know, Jessica Fann, it's not speculation that the son

536
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Speaker 2: Nick Reiner is an abuser.

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Speaker 3: He's a drug addict.

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Speaker 2: He himself states that he has been in and out

539
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Speaker 2: of rehab.

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Speaker 3: I think he says seventeen eighteen times. Listen, how many.

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Speaker 10: Times have you been in and out of rehab?

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Speaker 2: I'll be honest, it's been like seventeen or eighteen times.

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Speaker 6: I saw it when I was like almost about termed fifteen.

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Speaker 11: It was there from like nineteen.

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Speaker 4: From fifteen to nineteen, and yeah, it's like.

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Speaker 2: Thirt or four years that is from the pledge and

547
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Speaker 2: the turn. So you're right, Jessica Finn to doctor Bethany

548
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Speaker 2: Marshall joining us. It's psychoanalyst out of this jurisdiction, doctor Bethany.

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Speaker 3: When you're with an addict, it's like.

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Speaker 2: Someone with First of all, drug addiction or use of

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Speaker 2: drugs is not a defense under the law. Voluntary use

552
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Speaker 2: of drugs or alcohol not a defense under the law.

553
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 3: Just start with that.

554
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Speaker 2: But to you, doctor Bethany, it's like someone with dementia.

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Speaker 2: You think, why did they say that? Why are they

556
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: acting so combative? Why are they so angry?

557
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Speaker 3: There is no reason that drug addicts. Who knows why

558
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Speaker 3: they were.

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00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: Arguing, Jessica Finn from the US. Some was staying in

560
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Speaker 2: their speculation why they were arguing, It doesn't matter.

561
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Speaker 3: It's like why.

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Speaker 2: Does a domestic abezer meet his wife. There doesn't have

563
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Speaker 2: to be a why because she may talk as on enchiladas.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why.

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Speaker 2: There is no why. Why ask why? See what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: When you have an addict, nothing makes sense.

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Speaker 8: I agree with you. The why is not important because

568
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Speaker 8: the substance abuser may not even remember what they're arguing about.

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Speaker 8: What I would say is, let's talk about what substance

570
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Speaker 8: the sun was on. If the sun was on mess meth,

571
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Speaker 8: I mean, then you have an overkill phenomenon. And Joe

572
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Speaker 8: Scott Morgan could probably talk a little bit more about this.

573
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Speaker 8: But certain drugs cause certain kinds of aggressive behaviors, like

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Speaker 8: let's say marijuana. If somebody's on taught, they're not going

575
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Speaker 8: to stab somebody, They're just going to be very passive

576
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Speaker 8: and lying on the beach and enjoying the sunshine and

577
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 8: ordering a pina colada, right, But if they're on MESS,

578
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Speaker 8: there could be a great amount of aggression and hatred

579
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Speaker 8: towards the victims. So I would wonder, like, what was

580
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Speaker 8: the sun using when he went to the Christmas party? Now?

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Speaker 8: In terms of the why. Also, sometimes with addicts, parents

582
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Speaker 8: really struggle with should we continue to support this person

583
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Speaker 8: financially or if we cut off financial support, are they

584
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Speaker 8: more likely to get sober? And it's kind of a

585
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Speaker 8: tricky question because sometimes when support is cut off, the

586
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Speaker 8: user becomes even more angry and aggressive, and that might

587
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Speaker 8: have been the case here too.

588
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: Sidney Somner, joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter Jessica Fann,

589
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Speaker 2: was describing a sayne that The Sun Nick Rhin was

590
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Speaker 2: making at kind of O'Brien's yearly Christmas party.

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Speaker 3: Sidney, Apparently he was going up.

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Speaker 2: To all of these stars and going, hey, are you famous,

593
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Speaker 2: and basically dogging them. That's what I understand happening at

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Speaker 2: the party, and it must have been very embarrassing for

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Speaker 2: Rob and Michelle Reiner.

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Speaker 3: They let him tag along, then he makes a legal

597
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 3: term ass out of himself, right.

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Speaker 5: And this wasn't a family trip. If it was just

599
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 5: Nick with his parents, that's already an embarrassing situation. Possibly

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Speaker 5: that your thirty two year old son is tagging along

601
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Speaker 5: like he's your twelve year old child. So to be

602
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 5: acting out and to be speaking to people that he

603
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Speaker 5: doesn't necessarily know in a flippant way definitely could have

604
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Speaker 5: started a disagreement. Hey son, you need to behave yourself,

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Speaker 5: and that definitely could have set this person on drugs off, especially.

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Speaker 12: If it was mess.

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Speaker 9: We have our Robbery Homicide Division handling the investigation. They

608
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Speaker 9: work throughout the night on this case and we're able

609
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Speaker 9: to take into custody Nick Nick Reiner a suspect in

610
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Speaker 9: this case. He was subsequently booked for murder and is

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Speaker 9: being held on four million dollar bail.

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Speaker 10: After an interrogation. Nick Reiner, thirty two, is arrested on

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Speaker 10: suspicion of murdering his parents, seventy eight year old Rob

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Speaker 10: and sixty eight year old Michelle. As of Monday morning,

615
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Speaker 10: Reiner has held on four million dollars bail, but by

616
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Speaker 10: the afternoon that bail amount had been revoked. An LAPD

617
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Speaker 10: statement indicates they will present their case to the district

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Speaker 10: Attorney Tuesday, and prosecutors have until the end of the

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Speaker 10: day Wednesday to file formal charges.

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Speaker 2: You're hearing Chief Jim McDonald LAPD from our friends at

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Speaker 2: Fox eleven to Jessica Finn joining US senior investigative reporter

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Speaker 2: us Son. Jessica, tell me about the arrest, how it

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Speaker 2: went down and is it true that an extremely bloody

624
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Speaker 2: hotel room has been connected to the sun spoiled brat

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Speaker 2: Nick Reiner.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so after the incident, said the brutal murder of

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Speaker 7: his parents place at their home in Brentwood, Nick ran

628
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Speaker 7: and checked into a hotel about twenty miles away at

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Speaker 7: give or take, the hotel ended up being covered in blood.

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Speaker 7: The hotel room was totally covered in blood. There was

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Speaker 7: blood in the bathtub, there was blood all over the bathroom,

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Speaker 7: there was blood on the bedsheets. So this was basically

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Speaker 7: where he seems to have gone to take to take

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Speaker 7: a shower, get the bloody clothes off, and then he

635
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Speaker 7: left the hotel room. And it's unclear why he left

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Speaker 7: the hotel room, what his plans were, but he was

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Speaker 7: eventually apprehended several hours later about about so yeah, several

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Speaker 7: hours later at right now the University of Southern California's campus.

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Speaker 7: He was taken into custody after a swat team basically

640
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Speaker 7: arrived and threw them on the ground. And yeah, it

641
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 7: was it. It was quite the scene from the time

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Speaker 7: the police found the bodies, discovered the bodies, to his

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Speaker 7: hotel room stay, to him leaving the hotel room for

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Speaker 7: some unknown reason heading towards a Kipten.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Okay hold on just a moment, Philip Debate joining me.

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Speaker 2: He has defended many many murders, as I have prosecuted

648
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Speaker 2: many many murders.

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Speaker 3: Isn't it true?

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Speaker 2: Debate that if this were to go to trial, that

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Speaker 2: the judge will instruct the jury, and I questioned about it,

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Speaker 2: the black and white letter of the law, so lasting

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Speaker 2: they hear before they go for deliberations, and that will

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Speaker 2: include a jury charge that the jury can consider acts, actions, before, during,

655
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Speaker 2: and after the incident.

656
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 12: Yes or no, absolutely proven tent. Yeah, we call it.

657
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 12: We call it the eleven oh one B evidence and basic.

658
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 12: It's evidence to prove something other than propensities, something other

659
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 12: than character, such as intent to commit the crime, such.

660
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: As intent to clean off your bloody clothes and leave

661
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: them behind because you know you've done something wrong. You know,

662
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 2: just like when you have your PBJ and you spill

663
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 2: jelly down the front of your T shirt. Debay, you

664
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Speaker 2: don't then rush out to dinner at a fancy la restaurant?

665
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 3: Do you change clothes because you know that looks bad? Right?

666
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 2: This guy changed his clothes, took a shower, as you

667
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 2: just heard Jessica Finn describe from the US Sun the shower.

668
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 3: The tub was full of blood.

669
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: Why because he washed off his parents' blood before he

670
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 2: left that hotel? Why because he knew it was probative.

671
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 2: He knew it proved he had done something horrible translation

672
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 2: consciousness of guilt, So don't tune up with me. Second

673
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 2: verse same was the first that he had a metal

674
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: disability because he was voluntarily high on drugs.

675
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 3: Don't don't even he knew what he did was wrong.

676
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 12: Well, I have a feeling he has what I call

677
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 12: the trifecta of co occurring disorders, meaning, first of all,

678
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 12: he's got the addiction problem, and I do actually predict

679
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 12: he was high as a kite on something and like amphetamine.

680
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 12: And number two he was in the throes of psychosis,

681
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 12: probably from the untreated schizophrenia. And number three, I think

682
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 12: there was a personality disorder through it in the mix.

683
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 12: So I got the hotel.

684
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 3: Debay, Yes, Toby, I'm sorry.

685
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 2: I'm trying to turn over neelief and not interrupt you

686
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 2: as much as normal, but this is a yes. No.

687
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 2: You know what I'm not even going to ask you,

688
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 2: doctor Bethany Marshall. Did I just hear Debay state the

689
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,720
Speaker 2: words bipolar and schizophrenia?

690
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 3: Did I hear those two words time out of his mouth?

691
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 8: Let me use a different term. His parents are withdrawing

692
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 8: financial support. It enrages him. That's more likely with the

693
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 8: long term addict. It doesn't matter if they have psychiatric disorders,

694
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 8: personality disorders, whatever else is going on. There comes a

695
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 8: point in every parent's life when they have a drug

696
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 8: addicted child where they say, we're not going to give

697
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 8: you money anymore, We're not going to support this. The

698
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 8: only way to help you get sober is if you

699
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 8: have to support your own life. And that is when

700
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 8: the trouble occurs.

701
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 2: Because doctor Bethany, does this mean that Nick Reiner couldn't

702
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: live in daddy's poolhouse anymore? And tear it up, destroy it,

703
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 2: the artwork, the TV, the clothes, the sofa, the bad

704
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: all ruined on one of his drug fits, over and over,

705
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 2: and Rhiner would suck it up, clean the whole place up,

706
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 2: get new furniture, and let his son move back in,

707
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: only to do it again.

708
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 3: They created a movie.

709
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 2: Together called Being Charlie that chronicled Nick Reiner spoiled brat

710
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 2: life of drug addiction and mistreating his parents, who put

711
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: him back and rehabbing, back and rehabing, gave him a

712
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 2: place to live and paid all his bills.

713
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 12: Watch this that I'm not going to listen to you

714
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 12: telling me what a drug addict Iane careful on one.

715
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 3: Of your constituents.

716
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 6: Now, you wouldn't want to lose the governor's race by

717
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 6: one vote.

718
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 4: You can either head back to treatment or live on

719
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 4: the streets.

720
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 8: It's your choice.

721
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 2: I've got so many clips from Being Charlie that you

722
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 2: were just watching, and it chronicles sadly, sadly, it's it's

723
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 2: very upsetting the parent's life with an addicted adult son,

724
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 2: and the son actually to you, Jessica Hen you were

725
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 2: talking about speculation about what the argument was.

726
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, the son actually blames the.

727
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: Parents for saying, look, you're gonna go to rehab. We're

728
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 2: gonna send you again to one of the best rehabs

729
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: in the country for like the eighteenth time.

730
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: This put out the money, and.

731
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 3: The son doesn't want to go. He goes out live

732
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 3: on the street.

733
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 2: So Ryner finally says, yeah, okay, fine, live on the

734
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 2: street if you don't want to get well, yeah.

735
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 7: You're are doing some tough parenting. I mean, like, yeah,

736
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 7: there comes a point with addiction. Maybe from what I

737
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 7: understand that, you know, you eventually got to cut the

738
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 7: kid off, right, and I'm sure they've cut the kid

739
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 7: off clearly throughout the years. He said he was homeless

740
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 7: in Texas, he was homeless in New Jersey, he was

741
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 7: homeless in Mean so he's been on the outs with

742
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 7: his parents financially, and you know, I'm sure this had

743
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 7: to do with another, yet another brutal cutoff for him

744
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 7: and his addiction from their their financial support.

745
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 14: You know.

746
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 3: Tough decision, right, Rob Shooter.

747
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 2: You know Nick Reiner now being without bond tonight, tough choice.

748
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 3: Do I want to live on the street or.

749
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: In my dad's multimillionaire poolhouse by the pool where I

750
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: can go into his kitchen and eat whatever he's got

751
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: in the fridge whenever I feel like it. Because I'm

752
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: a spoiled brand, tell me about Nick Ryan. I don't care,

753
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 2: because I don't want to get close to a defen

754
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 2: it and start to.

755
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 3: You know, identify with him. But go ahead tell me.

756
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 11: I know, I think the context of it's really important. Nancy.

757
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 11: This is a kid that had every advantage that everybody

758
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 11: would want in life. He had rich, famous, kind, loving parents.

759
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 11: A lot of people might have rich, famous, parents, but

760
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 11: not loving and kind.

761
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 3: He hit the jackpot.

762
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 11: He had everything, Nancy, and he threw it all away.

763
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 11: I met with him for coffee in La about four

764
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 11: or five years ago. He was working on a project.

765
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 11: He's a struggling screenwriter. He's not really very talented at this.

766
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 11: Some people are very boohoo to a Nick. I didn't

767
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 11: feel that way. He was rude to the staff in

768
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 11: the store. He was impatient, he was aggressive.

769
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 2: You just can't drop a bomb like that on me.

770
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 2: Me not cross examine.

771
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 3: What do you mean he was rude? I very well, yeah,

772
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 3: I know exactly what you're talking about. What happened, rolled.

773
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 11: His eyes at the staff, was rude at them. They

774
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 11: got his order wrong, and he was not very gracious

775
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 11: about that. He was a really toxic individual and Nancy,

776
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 11: everybody in Hollywood knew it. When he turned up at

777
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 11: Conan O'Brien's party. Can you imagine the reaction, Ah, he's here,

778
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 11: Nick's here, But they can't say the sun And they

779
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 11: didn't say anything though, because his parents are so so

780
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 11: loved and this is this is so interesting to me.

781
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 11: The only thing about Nick that I found interesting, The

782
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 11: only reason I met with him was because of who

783
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 11: his dad was, and the what he didn't realize is

784
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 11: he was trying to run away from the one thing

785
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 11: that made him interesting. He did not want his parents' association,

786
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 11: but he wanted their money, he wanted their connections, he

787
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 11: wanted their power. He wanted it both ways, and he

788
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 11: can't do that.

789
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 2: So today I keep hearing everyone talk about his addiction

790
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: and all he had been through. I don't get it.

791
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: Reiner and Michelle did everything they could, and it's like

792
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 2: him literally biting the hand that fed him over and

793
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 2: over and over, and Ryder kept supporting him. Here he

794
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,479
Speaker 2: is taking him to cut and O'Brien's party, And don't

795
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 2: you know, O'Brien probably didn't even to say anything to

796
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 2: his wife. They probably when they see these three coming

797
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 2: up the silot because it's Rob Ryan, I'm like, okay.

798
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 6: Let him in.

799
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 11: That's exactly what happened, Nancy. Everybody in Hollywood knew this

800
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 11: troubled young man. If this had been anybody else, he

801
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 11: would have had zero access. He would have been iceed

802
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 11: out of Hollywood really, really quickly. It was out of

803
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 11: respect to his parents that anybody paid him any attention.

804
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 11: He had every opportunity, Nancy. He had access to resources,

805
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 11: to go to the best schools, to meet people, to

806
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 11: make connections with people that we would dream to be

807
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 11: in a room with.

808
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 2: So much more evidence to sift through. Was it Reiner's

809
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 2: blood at that hotel? Was it Singer's blood at that hotel?

810
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: What can the hotel employees tell us about the check in?

811
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: How was he apprehended? What, if anything did he say

812
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 2: at that time? Is he making statements from behind bars?

813
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: Has his sister spoken to him? What is the evidence

814
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 2: at the scene. You know it's Brentwood. You know that

815
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: that place is blanketed with surveillance cameras.

816
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 3: What do we know.

817
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: Or is this guy going to continue to trade on

818
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:10,479
Speaker 2: Hollywood fame and walk free if you know or think

819
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 2: you know anything about this case before, during, after the incident.

820
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 3: We want justice for Reiner and Singer.

821
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 2: Dial eight hundred two two two eight four seven seven

822
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 2: eight hundred two two two eight four seven seven and

823
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: tonight we remember an American hero. Commissioner Michael Ryan, Phoenicia

824
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 2: Fire Department, New York, killed in the line of duty

825
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: after twenty five years of risking his life, leaving behind

826
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 2: a grieving family. American Hero Commissioner Michael Ryan Nancy Gray signing.

827
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 14: Off good bye friend.

828
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 2: Yeah,