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Come. 27 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 2: What's up, guys, We're almost at the end of July 28 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 2: uh in. 29 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: Today's episode is brought to you by Total Wireless, the 30 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: official wireless provider of UFC. They're in your corner with 31 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: unlimited five G data that will not slow you down. Man, 32 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: let me tell you something. I got friends in media. 33 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: I got friends in media. I got friends in commentary. 34 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: Two of them being my better friends and co workers 35 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: are Michael Bisbing and Paul Felder. Michael Bisbing and Paul 36 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: Felder together now Do to Believe You Me podcast on 37 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: Mike's YouTube channel, which is phenomenal. By the way, Mike 38 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: does a tremendous job. We disagree on a lot of 39 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: things at times. Today I'm here to discuss something that 40 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: we disagree on. I have a hard time. I have 41 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: a hard time when we as professional fighters, and I 42 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: did it with John Jones. I never I kind of 43 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: did it. But I never said he was scared. I 44 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: said that if he didn't fight tom aspinall he quit. 45 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: Didn't say he was scared because I don't believe he 46 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: was scared. I have a difficult time when fighters or 47 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: ex fighters say that someone is ducking or afraid of 48 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: another fighter. I believe that they're There are reasons why 49 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: people don't do stuff. 50 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: Do we always have to agree with them? 51 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: No, But I don't know if I can agree with 52 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: the fear being a reason. So the other day, Mike 53 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: and Paul are discussing Ilia and the armand Serukian situation. 54 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: Armand says he's scared, but that's what he's supposed to do. 55 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: Armand's the guy that gets to fight him if they 56 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: do fight. He's got that chicken run in and all 57 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 1: that said, he's ducking. I get it, that's all part 58 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: of the game. But when Mike and paula discussing it, 59 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: and I love how forward they are with it. They're 60 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: not hiding it. In other words, they're just saying what 61 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: they feel. But this is what they said. My ghost 62 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: is Ilia pulling a John Jones. Because Armand Sruki is 63 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: a real threat to anybody's tremendous. I know a lot 64 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: of people discredit him because he pulled out on the 65 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: last fight at the last minute, and rightfully so. However, 66 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: and it's a big one. He's really really good, and 67 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: it's simple as that. He's got great wrestling, cardio strength. 68 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: He's young, he's in his prime. He's an absolute monster. 69 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: Illiot the poor you said if the UFC made him 70 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: fight Armine, that would be a problem. 71 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 2: I didn't get the rest of the quote. 72 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:20,799 Speaker 1: This is Bisbee said that obviously he's a threat to anyone. 73 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 2: Right. 74 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: So then Paul gets in there, a guy from the 75 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: weight class that understands, right, you gotta fight whoever's put 76 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: in front of you. I understand that. But Paul goes 77 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: the guys in the One Contender and to say that 78 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: you would rather relinquish the belt than fight him. Come on, man, 79 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: we're getting a little carried away. We've talked about this before, 80 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: where the guys in this generation of fighters, when they 81 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: get to the top position, they're willing to jump around 82 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: weight classes and try to deny fighting guys. It's like, 83 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: that's not how it fucking works. If the guys in 84 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 1: the One Contender, the UFC says, this is the guy. 85 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: You're the champ, you're holding that belt, that's who you fight. 86 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: If you're the best and he's not on your level 87 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: and all this kind of stuff, then prove it. Just 88 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: go out there and prove it. I hate that, and 89 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I think he doesn't think he 90 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: can beat him, but I hate it. 91 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: I was like, come on, man, here we go. Here 92 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 2: we go again. 93 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: Now you've got a champion who's just looking for the 94 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: biggest thing. The UFC is not going to try to 95 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: put you in a position that's not going. 96 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 2: To be a big thing. So Paul's frustrated that Ily 97 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: is not wanting to fight. 98 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 1: Arman Serukian, and I get the frustration from that side, 99 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: but we also need to understand, or at least try 100 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: to understand, what's the reasoning. So I've been on the 101 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: opposite side of what to Pouria is perceiving is going 102 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: to happen. 103 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 2: After seeing what happened with. 104 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: Him in Islam in Los Angeles, Oh, something up in 105 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: the last minute. It gives you reservations. But Armansruken has 106 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: made the walk every other time. They are right to 107 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: a degree, they're right to a degree fight the guy. 108 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 2: But the only. 109 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: Reason to poury is even thinking of not fighting him 110 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: is because he has other options. That's why Armand made 111 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: a little bit of a mistake in missing that championship opportunity. 112 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: So all the blame can't be cast on it to 113 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: pour your side because he has reason. 114 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 2: I love Armand. I think he's the man. 115 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: I think he is the just number one contender, and 116 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: I think he should have the opportunity to fight for 117 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: the belt. He has earned that. He has earned that 118 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: by winning. He has earned that more than Patty has 119 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: at this point. He has earned that more than Justin 120 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: has at this point. And I'm speaking of a guy 121 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,679 Speaker 1: Justin Gatsa who's one of my best friends. He's earned 122 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: that though. He's earned the opportunity. But you have to 123 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,679 Speaker 1: look at the other side. When I was fighting with Jones, 124 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 1: I was unreliable. At times, I pulled out of a 125 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: fight him and I had the issues where he had 126 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: to pull out of fights. It's not it's not easy 127 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: to go back down that path, but what we had 128 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: was the need for each other. We needed each other 129 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: because we knew the biggest fights were together, so we 130 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: just kept going on that path. 131 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: The Pooria has options. I don't know if he feels like. 132 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: It's that much of a difference in what he sells 133 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: between Patty, Ilia or Justin. So when he's looking at 134 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: these options, he's going, well, Patty has the following, So 135 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: I get it. 136 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 2: Patty was the guy inside the octagon. 137 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: So I get it. I get it. 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Hey, there's 181 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: some reservations, But I also know that in the UFC, 182 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: when something is wanted, and if it's wanted very bad, 183 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: they will make it happen. 184 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 2: It will happen. Illiot to pour you Armand's Rukian. And also. 185 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: The visual of Patty in the octagon is something you 186 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: cannot erase. You can't erase it. It's a moment. So I 187 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: would have loved the UFC to pan to Armand and 188 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: pan to justin after Patty was in there, because then 189 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: you keep them in front of mine. Also, but because 190 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: it ended with Illy and Patty arguing an octagon and 191 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: then we go to something else, that's the lasting memory 192 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: of the one to fifty five pound division. It's hard 193 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: to go backwards and erase something. So guys, Michael Paul, 194 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: I understand the frustration. But Mike, you are on the 195 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: championship side. You know, when you were getting ready to 196 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: fight Dan Henderson, you wanted some get back on him, 197 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: so you fought him. But if there was a bigger 198 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: fight for you, George Saint Pierre for that matter, you 199 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: took it. Even though yo all Romero at the time 200 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: Mike was probably the more justified number one contender. 201 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 2: The bigger fight was JSP and you took it. So 202 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 2: I get it, get. 203 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 1: The frustration, but think about the champions side too, because 204 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: Eliot's job to not only defend the belt, but also 205 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: make sure that when he makes wait and he does 206 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: all that, he gets to defend the belt. I'm not 207 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: saying armand t Rukian is this guy that constantly fucks 208 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: up and that doesn't get to the scale or get 209 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: to the fight that happened one time. He should not 210 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: be judged solely on that one time, especially after making 211 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: Wight and getting ready to fight as a backup fighter 212 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: in the last fight. I'm just trying to give a 213 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: little grace to the other side in regards to why 214 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: that may be happening. At the end of the day, 215 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: I agree with y'all it should be Armand versus Illy, 216 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: and I don't. 217 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 2: Think there's any question about that. 218 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: But I think the problem with it is that lasting 219 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: memory of him and Patty Pimlet inside the octagon. 220 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 2: After the belt, it's gonna be our too, race man. 221 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 2: So I get it. 222 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: Boys frustrated, Sure, Mike, don't act like you ain't sat 223 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: in this position before. Michael, you know exactly why he's 224 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: doing that, because you did it yourself when you had 225 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: a chance to fight jsp instead of Yo Romero. 226 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 2: So it is what it. 227 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: Is, guys, really quick before we go, hey, oh yeah, 228 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: Dan Hooker actually said something too. He goes, all those 229 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: big name guys have a good excuse not to fight 230 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: armand it's always the fight I wanted. 231 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 2: Not because he's a prick and I hate him. 232 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: Dan Hooker is awesome, by the way, but because I 233 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: genuinely think he's the hardest fight and all those big 234 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 1: name guys don't want to fight him because I think 235 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: he's the best they think, and I think he's the 236 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 1: best at winning fights, not necessarily the most dangerous fighter. 237 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: I think he's the best at winning fights. So a 238 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: lot of these guys haven't justifiable reason to avoid fighting. 239 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: Dan Hooker is again almost repeating what they're saying. But 240 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 1: he's an active competitor in their division. And Dan saying, 241 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: I want it because it's more the fight where the 242 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 1: danger lies in. 243 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 2: There. 244 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: You go, boys, that's a guy that thinks just like you. 245 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: But Dan Hooker is an old school fighter. I don't 246 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: know that we have as many of those anymore. 247 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 2: So is what it is. 248 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 1: But Michael Bisbeck, don't act like you to fight George 249 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: sat Pierre because you knew he's about to get the 250 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: pocketings line. 251 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 2: Boy, you know what you did? 252 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: All right, guys, Till next time, like, subscribe and tell 253 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: you friends about my YouTube channel. I'm constantly bringing you 254 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,719 Speaker 1: episodes like this. Come on, Ilia you and armand do. 255 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 2: It for the people. Make everybody happy. Let's go