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Speaker 3: Thank you for tuning in to the NFL Player's Second

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Speaker 3: Acts podcast on Peanut Tillman and we got more Town's

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Speaker 1: Dude, I'm only being to Detroit like twice. Yeah, you

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Speaker 4: how we're doing. We love to keep bringing the heat man,

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Speaker 4: like I did that.

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Speaker 3: That so earlier it was terrible on me. Anyway, back

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Speaker 5: Braylan Edwards, Welcome, thanks, welcome to the show to the city. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: thank you, literally said, bro, you played in Chicago.

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Speaker 3: I'm from Alabama, brom from Alabama, and we soft. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I said, that's the typo and it's not. You know,

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Speaker 1: But it was funny. It was my very first game

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Speaker 2: You've been running this play.

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Speaker 3: You know you're doing like mannerisms like him though, because

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Speaker 2: When we all worked out there. He didn't speak to

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Speaker 2: cl He came in the shot. He was like, hey dog, Hey, hey,

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Speaker 2: You're gonna be all year. I oh, you speak to

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Speaker 2: And that's why I can do all his mannerisms because

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Speaker 3: Oh I totally get it, So go ahead, Nope, all right,

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Speaker 4: You know, if he wins four, you just gotta get eight.

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Speaker 1: A big year.

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Speaker 4: What you had fifteen or six sixteen, sixteen the year before.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my boy, he was a freshman in my senior year,

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Speaker 3: Five No, no, they up every morning like five thirty's

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Speaker 1: But I would go with that like I would swim.

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Speaker 2: He comes to that next year. I had sixteen off season.

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Speaker 2: Jean's coming up. What you're gonna do? I did sixteen

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Speaker 2: last year. I said, I bet I double whatever you do.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you're not even that man, Cleveland. We sucked, but

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Speaker 1: I paid up. Okay, you paid up. Yeah that's my guy. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I love that. I love that, like Mike's my guy.

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Speaker 1: See we didn't get the whole scope of the end result.

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Speaker 4: I love that you did that because I mean, last

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Speaker 4: behind behind Tiger, right, was that behind Tiger on sixteen?

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Speaker 1: That's why you paid up. So you pay up because

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Speaker 2: You don't pay up, I can't go to the Masters,

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Speaker 2: I can't go hang out with Michael Jordan's Yeah, I pay.

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Speaker 2: He's a good dude, man, I've heard great Yeah, great

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Speaker 1: He's great. He's a great friend to have.

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Speaker 2: I ran into him in Michigan two years ago, I

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Speaker 2: think the High State game. He was the same dude,

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Speaker 1: When I made it. He was eighteen years old, same

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Speaker 4: Husband, big broad shoulders. That's about swimmers. Bro, he's a funny,

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Speaker 3: Since we're talking about swimming this, dude, you want to

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Speaker 1: Can't swim?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, well I can't swim. I'm not like,

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Speaker 3: I'm not saving lives winning races, Okay, but I can

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Speaker 1: You can do with take what it takes.

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Speaker 4: I'm good, I'm great, I'm confident. But you also got

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Speaker 4: to understand what the situation is that we stepped into. Okay,

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Speaker 4: we're in the Brevnick and Croatia Great Couples truck. We're

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Speaker 4: I don't know why, but he's like, dude, when else.

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Speaker 1: Are you wanna do this? Yeah? About energy? Too much energy,

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Speaker 1: it's exhausting. Line were you at? Where were you at?

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Speaker 1: Not try? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Because the boat somebody should have been there to tell me.

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Speaker 4: I was like, thank you appreciated bon because he didn't.

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Speaker 4: but you have the country.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that we go appreciate it, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. You have the country that appreciated. You know what

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: So we're out there and man, we get out there

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Speaker 4: and I'm like, bro, where the bottom at?

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Speaker 1: Like, ain't no bottom? He didn't know that, but no, no, no, Bro,

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Speaker 1: it ain't no bottom, but it ain't no bond. They

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Speaker 1: got to tread water. Brother, Yeah, I don't know how

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Speaker 1: to do that. I don't know how to do that.

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Speaker 1: The first thing they teach you at the why speaking

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Speaker 1: of yeah, let's get that. I ain't had that.

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Speaker 3: So I get out there like I know how to swim,

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Speaker 1: Did you know? Bottom? Not? It almost like is this

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Speaker 2: Lebron James Carmelo store where they were like on the

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Speaker 1: Yo know that. I know. Yeah I didn't.

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Speaker 4: Almost drown, but I did have to use like one

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Speaker 1: It was. It was a great time. How did you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can trade. I'm I'm pretty straight at it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I didn't want no gold medals or something

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Speaker 3: like that, but I'm deep. When I can trade for

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Speaker 3: about fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you can survive.

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Speaker 4: You almost when you almost couldn't get on the little

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Speaker 1: I didn't almost drown though, though anyway, forgetting on it.

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Speaker 1: You didn't deny that you almost failed it. Yeah I did.

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Speaker 3: It was both of us, honestly, it was more for

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Speaker 1: Yeah meither. We'll be back in a minute.

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Speaker 3: What I do want to know is who's the most,

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Speaker 3: uh the biggest celebrity you have in your phone right now?

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Speaker 1: Since you you you your.

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Speaker 3: Name dropped a little bit, Who's who's probably the big

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Speaker 1: Bat phone? The rock? Okay, on the bad phone. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I located. I tried to like, let I try to

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Speaker 1: let it go.

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Speaker 3: I tryed to let that one go, like okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: follow up with another question or two, or say something, say.

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Speaker 1: Something different, okay about that's my dog wrap. I appreciate.

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Speaker 3: So was there ever any well coming out of college

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Speaker 3: or excuse me, coming out of high school.

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Speaker 1: I didn't get a thousand offers.

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Speaker 3: You probably got a thousand offers y'all. Y'all were y'all

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Speaker 3: were that good? I'm sure you got a lot too,

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Speaker 3: So was there no?

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Speaker 2: My My journey was unique because I was I don't

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Speaker 2: My sophomore year, I was like five nine whatever, and

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to knock them. But I didn't have any.

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Speaker 2: Major major offers, and I think blessing disguise. Reggie Williams,

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Speaker 2: I had to work though to get there. It wasn't

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Speaker 2: I mean I was like five seven my freshman year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and your pops, if I'm not mistaken, your pops

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Speaker 2: third round, and eighty two to the Oilers now the

439
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Speaker 2: Tennessee Titans.

440
00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,800
Speaker 1: So football lineage is there. Yeah, So you grew up

441
00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:56,880
Speaker 1: around the game. I did.

442
00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,600
Speaker 2: I was always at somebody from Michigan's house and warm

443
00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,800
Speaker 2: Moon I was that's unk.

444
00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah what I'm saying.

445
00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,640
Speaker 2: They played in Houston together, So I was always around

446
00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:07,920
Speaker 2: the game, always in an arbor.

447
00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,959
Speaker 1: Jim Harbor, I remember him when he played in Godge.

448
00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,000
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I was on the sidelines

449
00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,720
Speaker 1: running around. I was that bad kid. But I will

450
00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,120
Speaker 1: find my way back to the little sidelines.

451
00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,920
Speaker 3: Would you were you able to enjoy it though, because

452
00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:21,880
Speaker 3: I know, like when I tried, like we got room

453
00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:22,440
Speaker 3: son here.

454
00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,440
Speaker 1: Right now, he's all about football. He's all basketball right now.

455
00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:26,800
Speaker 1: Though there's other two cads.

456
00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,760
Speaker 3: But I love that though, because my dad was in

457
00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,000
Speaker 3: the army, so I was all about whatever my dad did,

458
00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:31,840
Speaker 3: like I wanted to do.

459
00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:32,560
Speaker 1: He was at work.

460
00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,560
Speaker 3: I would go to his job and just be around

461
00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,080
Speaker 3: all the soldiers and everything. And I remember it like

462
00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,840
Speaker 3: vividly to this day, like I really wanted to be

463
00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:44,359
Speaker 3: around my pops and all his friends. So luckily or unfortunately,

464
00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,240
Speaker 3: my kids were young enough and I got girls, so

465
00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,760
Speaker 3: they couldn't just like hang around me all the time

466
00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,679
Speaker 3: in the locker room and whatnot. Do you actively do

467
00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,280
Speaker 3: you have like vivid memories of like your dad, the stories,

468
00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,439
Speaker 3: locker room, going over someone's house, like just being around

469
00:19:58,440 --> 00:19:58,800
Speaker 3: the game.

470
00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,080
Speaker 2: I remember days to take me to the locker rooms

471
00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,080
Speaker 2: in Michigan all the time I met Desmond with Desmond

472
00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:04,240
Speaker 2: was a freshman, Yeah.

473
00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 1: At Michigan's.

474
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,639
Speaker 2: I used to go in there and I remember crazy

475
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:12,120
Speaker 2: Ricky Powers, Tyro Tyrone Wheatley, what number six like? Look,

476
00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,199
Speaker 2: I love like Tyron Wheeley was my favorite player in

477
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,080
Speaker 2: Michigan history. Like if he doesn't break his ankle his

478
00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,399
Speaker 2: junior year, the rest is history. But Jamunga, But I

479
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,720
Speaker 2: remember when he was in the play for the Lions. Yeah,

480
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,399
Speaker 2: so I remember silver my first jersey ever bought Carolina.

481
00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,800
Speaker 2: There you go eight overall, I think in ninety five.

482
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, you're right, man. Just being around Pops and

483
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,200
Speaker 2: being around the players, learning the game and coaches and

484
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:34,960
Speaker 2: it just was fun.

485
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,639
Speaker 1: Like I actually was a better baseball player than football player.

486
00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, baseball is my first love because my parents

487
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,440
Speaker 2: they separated, mam re married and we moved to Georgia

488
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,480
Speaker 2: and I lived in like throwing you in the country,

489
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 2: like I had six to twelve. So I fell in

490
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,720
Speaker 2: love with baseball, man. Atlanta Braves love my Tigers, Atlanta.

491
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:54,960
Speaker 2: I'm a Braves fan.

492
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:59,600
Speaker 3: So because the TVs though they had that contwork, you

493
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,119
Speaker 3: could just all the time, and that was.

494
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:02,800
Speaker 1: The great years when the Braves were great.

495
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 2: Though they left so many World Series on the table,

496
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 2: like Smokes Maddox Glavin and Fred McGrath, Fred McGriff, Teddy penalty, Yeah,

497
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 2: said Ryan.

498
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Chipper Jones is young Jones.

499
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 2: Andrew Jones later on, Yeah, Bobby cox Man, he left.

500
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 1: He left too many World Series on today pictures coach

501
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 1: like they had.

502
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 2: Literally, I mean we legitimately used to watch full baseball

503
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,200
Speaker 2: games when I was a kid, Like you said, turn

504
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 2: turn on TBS, watching anyone to the ninth in and

505
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:38,399
Speaker 2: going to sleep.

506
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 1: Yeah that's what now I can only watch like seven

507
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:42,240
Speaker 1: and nine.

508
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,680
Speaker 3: I feel you, dog, I want to know this though,

509
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 3: your time in Cleveland. Yeah, uh, you stayed relatively close

510
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 3: to you were there around the time Lebron and all

511
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 3: those guys were there. And did you feel any like

512
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 3: added pressure because because of what Lebron had brought to

513
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 3: Cleveland that like, man, the Browns we need to pick

514
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 3: it up too. Or was it because the Cavs weren't

515
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 3: that big of a deal either and all of a sudden, Lebron,

516
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,880
Speaker 3: the home grown product showed up.

517
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 2: I didn't feel any pressure at all. Like Lebron was,

518
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,360
Speaker 2: you know, one of a kind. He still is one

519
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 2: of the kind. I remember the Chosen Magazine, I remember ESPN,

520
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,640
Speaker 2: I remember Sports Illustrated, the King and all that.

521
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 1: Like the pressure that he had on him. He had

522
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:26,719
Speaker 1: all the pressure.

523
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,159
Speaker 2: So I didn't feel pressured, like this guy is supposed

524
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 2: to be transcendent, he's supposed to be better than Jordan

525
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,200
Speaker 2: when it's all said and done. So nah, I didn't

526
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 2: feel any pressure with him. But when they turned that

527
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 2: thing around, like once he got there, three, I got there, No. Five,

528
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 2: like they started getting good. Then they dethrown the Pistons

529
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 2: and O six yeah, which is my team, So that

530
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 2: hurt had the root against him. But that's when you

531
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,679
Speaker 2: started seeing us kind of like all right, look, they

532
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 2: not even that good outside Lebron, Like we gotta do

533
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 2: something with that. We got win some games, and seven

534
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 2: we finally did. We went ten and six, didn't get

535
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 2: into the playoffs with just grazy. But there was pressure

536
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 2: with Brown's and Calves, not Lebron though Lebron is it.

537
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 4: Is especially this Yeah, I think that's why I was trying,

538
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 4: like competition though, right, you have the same city city,

539
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 4: We had the.

540
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 2: Same car like that, so it's funny though, there's a

541
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:18,919
Speaker 2: funny story about that.

542
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: So we both had Bentley Coops. This is all.

543
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 2: I had a Mulliner. He had the same exact car.

544
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 2: It's different real wheels. I remember parking my car in

545
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 2: Valet and they had me parked up front, like I asked, hey,

546
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 2: put my car right here, to put my car right there.

547
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 2: By the time we came out, I was about to

548
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 2: try to get in the car. I was like, my

549
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 2: key's not working. It was oh, no, that's not yours,

550
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 2: that's lebron. I was like, where's mine? So we parked

551
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 2: us down the street. I was like, why do you

552
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 2: move mine? Come on, don't don't do that too. I'm like,

553
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 2: it's love us.

554
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: To this, loves us to this. I said, y'all won't

555
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: get my business anymore. Oh that's funny. Have y'all crossed

556
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: pass since?

557
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 3: Uh?

558
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

559
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 2: We used to cross paths a lot. Then I got

560
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 2: traded to actually got into it. One of his dudes

561
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 2: go to words about that. Dude, look that up, and

562
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 2: I ran into him last night too. You can you

563
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 2: can bring that up.

564
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 1: Oh it will go ahead, No, tell us what happened.

565
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 2: I crossed paths with him in New York a lot,

566
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 2: and when I got traded to the Jets, he was

567
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 2: always I thought he was gonna be a nick like.

568
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 2: I thought that was gonna happen, But uh, just one night, Man,

569
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 2: we were out, We're downtown Sunday. You get tired of losing.

570
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 2: He's tired of the same old routine.

571
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 1: Doubt.

572
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, practice all week, try to get a

573
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 2: game plan. Think you got a good game plan, and

574
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 2: you go in the game on Sunday, you lose, like

575
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 2: they not getting on for So we go out and

576
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 2: I just wasn't feeling. Said I'm ready to leave. I'm

577
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 2: tired of this man, Why are we partying. I'm sitting

578
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 2: here spending money with drinking and blah blah blah said

579
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 2: and we getting ass like on the day in and

580
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 2: day out. I said, So I'm ready to go. I

581
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: left early that night and his friend was outside Edward

582
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 2: Givings and it was one, two three. It was four

583
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 2: of them and the two security guards that are always there.

584
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 2: He was like, what's up being man, why are you

585
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 2: leaving early? I was like, man, because I'm tired of

586
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: the city, I said, the city week, I said, this

587
00:24:59,160 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: club's week.

588
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: I said Ebody.

589
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm like city Week. I said, I'm just homesick.

590
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 2: I'm tired of losing. So they got mad because they're Clevelanders.

591
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 2: They was like, man, you week we think you corny,

592
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 2: that's not what you want. And so I'm from Detroit

593
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 2: born and yeah, yeah, yeah, they surrounded me.

594
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 1: It sounded like a fourth grade fight, just out of nowhere.

595
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 2: It was, it was, and they surrounded me and I

596
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 2: hit two and the other two didn't do anything.

597
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: I jumped the crowd and I left.

598
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 2: But I'm from Detroit, like see you swinging be swung

599
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 2: on And it was just me out there. Everybody else

600
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 2: was in the club party and my manager was playing

601
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: the tag.

602
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 1: So I dropped, dropped him, dropped Tim. The other two

603
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 1: backed off.

604
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 2: I left and next thing I know, it's on ESPN

605
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 2: and I ain't gave him concussion and I jumped them

606
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 2: so well.

607
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 4: I I wasn't expecting that, but I mean, I'm glad

608
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 4: we're able to address that as as adults now.

609
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see him last night last night, so him

610
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 2: last night, his name ever, give you tied me? He said,

611
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 2: what's up? Bea much different space now. I was like,

612
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 2: what's going on at how you doing as well?

613
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: And that's so good?

614
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 2: Yeah that's what we're in our forties now. Yeah, bro,

615
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 2: you should be happy you got me for one hundred

616
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 2: and fifty K. But just neither here nor there. I'm trying.

617
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: I'm trying. I'm better, I'm better be better. Hey, how

618
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: you doing wrong to see you? Buddy? Can I bout

619
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,479
Speaker 1: your drink tonight? Yeah? It stings a little, you know what.

620
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 4: I will say this because we're talking about clubs a

621
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 4: little bit. So the first experience I have a Braylan Edwards.

622
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: I knew it was a club experience. You said it

623
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: was definitely a club. It's gonna be a good one

624
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 1: because the sun's right there. It was. It was clearly

625
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: awesome though.

626
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 3: So this was after my rookie year and me and

627
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 3: my college roommate, we're in Vegas, and so we like

628
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 3: it might have been club Twist, and so we're out

629
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 3: there and like me and my boy put our card down.

630
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 1: We got a group of like five or six of us,

631
00:26:58,480 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: and we get a couple of botles. We're just trying

632
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: to do it easy.

633
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 3: We're just trying to just trying to feel like we're

634
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 3: fitting in right, because I don't, you know, it's the

635
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 3: first time in Vegas period.

636
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: Dude. I look over, I'm like, oh.

637
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 4: That's brailn Netwards. I know who that is. Like, oh,

638
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 4: you are having a glorious time. You were also the

639
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 4: first guy that I saw stand up on the section

640
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 4: where like, you know, that's how you get out there

641
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 4: as you stand up, and.

642
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: So I was like, Okay, so that's what I need

643
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: to do.

644
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 3: Allegedly these are all allegedly too. Yeah, I'm not one

645
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 3: hundred percent sure this is Brailer Netwards, Okay, but I'm

646
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 3: pretty sure this is Brailer.

647
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: Anyways, it was great.

648
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 4: I think I said what's up to you one time

649
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 4: in passing you, trying to say what's up?

650
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 1: It was all good, nothing but love.

651
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 4: But dude, when I saw you pulled the move, We're like,

652
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 4: I don't even know how to say it, but like

653
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 4: it was like, I mean you had pants on, but

654
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 4: like your pants fell down and you were dancing in

655
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 4: the club. You had other pants on underneath that, but

656
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 4: it was still like broy pants on. I mean he

657
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 4: had like his underwears or stuff on.

658
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure, yes, the way he wasn't naked in the club, bro,

659
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: this is wild. Yeah yeah, but he was wild. Bro.

660
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: It was like great, it was a great time in Vegas.

661
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 4: He kind of set the tone in the tempo for

662
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 4: everybody else in the room that night. So I honestly

663
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 4: wanted to say thank you for like being that light

664
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 4: because it was a great night.

665
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 1: Thank you for being the light. But you know what,

666
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 1: I get what you said.

667
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 2: Like, so being from Detroit, like growing up like Detroit's party,

668
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: like the era BMF is from here in southwest Detroit.

669
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: I know who BMF is if you don't look it up. Uh,

670
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: this era was with Tommy Hearns the hit Man. Like

671
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: it's a big party city.

672
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: So cats me going out drinking champagne at the bottom

673
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 2: doing that since the eighties, et cetera.

674
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: So I kind of saw that growing up and it

675
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: just was fun. Yeah. I think a lot of times

676
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: when I was saw you were.

677
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, you were like having a good time, like you

678
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 3: were the light that we all needed to see.

679
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: A lot of athletes, a lot of entertainers that go

680
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 2: out when what I noticed when I was younger is

681
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: like they were scared to have a good time or

682
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 2: they wanted to be reserved. I was like, look like,

683
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just be me. I'm gonna have fun. I

684
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: bring my friends around. I hung out with more of

685
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: my people from like my city and my friends in

686
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 2: actual NFL player, I was cool with everybody yeah, but

687
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: I hung out my boys from the crib, you know

688
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, And we would just go out and

689
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: just live life, like I'm blessed to be in this situation,

690
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: bless to be able to, you know, take trips to

691
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 2: Vegas from Miami or whatever, drive cars. So we just

692
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: wanted to have fun. And I had fun. And I'm

693
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 2: got it out of my system because now I ain't

694
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: staying up as ten unless I'm watching the show. But

695
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: I got out of my system. But it was a

696
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 2: lot of fun back there man Vegas, trist the Waterfall, and.

697
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was my first time in there, bro.

698
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 3: And I'm telling you, like, I'm like, bro, this is

699
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 3: how I'm supposed to have fun.

700
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Like I had never been around it.

701
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: I was my pants. But outside of that, it was,

702
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: it was, it was, it was. It was a great night.

703
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: That's all I want to say.

704
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 4: Uh. Moving on though, back to football, Howard juvenating was it?

705
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 4: You talked about how whack Cleveland had got for you

706
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 4: or it was weak?

707
00:29:58,520 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: How are juvenating was it?

708
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 4: When you got traded to the Jets as a career,

709
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,959
Speaker 4: as a mentality, what did that do for you?

710
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: So it's funny that that we're giving situation story outside

711
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: the club. So the week before that, every man Genie

712
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 2: had asked us. He said, Hey, if anybody wants to

713
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: get traded or they want to move, they want to

714
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: see what they could do, come talk to me and

715
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 2: I'll make something happen. I have been in Cleveland five nothing,

716
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: O six nothing. We didn't make the playoffs all every

717
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: ten and six, O seven eight nothing, and now we're

718
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: on three. So I'm just thinking I need a change

719
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: the scenior. You know how there's sometimes you just need

720
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: that change the scenery, new coaches, new voices, new air whatever.

721
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 2: And so I said, hey, Coach, if you meant that

722
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 2: I would like to see you if you could do

723
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: that for me.

724
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: I said, it's nothing against you.

725
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 2: I just don't think Cleveland and I we jail, we vibe,

726
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: we bond.

727
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: He said, Okay, I see what I can do.

728
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 2: Fast forward a week later, that situation happens outside the club.

729
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: He calls me into his office at Wednesday, early in

730
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: the morning. He called it six am.

731
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I love hey Gray, when when you

732
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: come in, could you could you see me?

733
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: It's coach.

734
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: I was all right, bet So I go see him

735
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: like seven in the morning. He says, now we've moved

736
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 2: you to the New York Jedi. It took everything and

737
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 2: not to just jump up and start like doing the

738
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: robot like I'm literally excited. I'm about to doug he

739
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 2: here the move, but but he traded me.

740
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: I was so excited.

741
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: Wrong, pet Nut, I didn't even go to the locker room,

742
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 2: like I didn't go downstairs. I left like I didn't

743
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 2: go downstairs. I left my Sony viol I had I'm

744
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: the DJ in the locker room. I'm one of the

745
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 2: DJ's locker room. So my speakers you can have it,

746
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: Sony Via have it, all, my cleats have it. I

747
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 2: left everything in Cleveland, got in the car, called my mom.

748
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: She said, I know your agent told me last night.

749
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: I didn't want to tell you.

750
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: So uh. It was great.

751
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: I go from being z and four to three and one.

752
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: Rex Ryan was a player is and it will be

753
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: players coach, somebody you could talk to. Just everything was different,

754
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 2: like from the cleaning staff was different. The equipment managers

755
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: were different, like the cooks, the chefs great conversation. The

756
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 2: training staff was cool. John shout to John Melly John Mellody.

757
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 2: So it just was it was great man, and then

758
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: people on the team. I said, Okay, I'm not saying

759
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: we're gonna win anything, but I'm saying, what this is

760
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: a playoff team, and I feel at home. It's something

761
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: I want to give all my energy to and ball out.

762
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 2: So it was brother fresh.

763
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: A, Well, you brought up Rex Ryan.

764
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 4: Give me a great Rex Ryan story, because you're already

765
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 4: good at really good at imitating people, so go ahead

766
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 4: and give me one.

767
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: Okay. So Rex loved me because I because I like,

768
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: I'm a blocking receiver, like.

769
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: I love like y'all know that, Like I love hitting

770
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 2: the defense.

771
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: So uh, he used to tell me.

772
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: He's, hey, hey, hey, look yeah twenty four, you knock

773
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: him out, you knock him down, I'll let you be

774
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 2: late for beating. You know, I missed a couple of

775
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: video neither here nor there. So every time I would

776
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: knock players out or knock DB's out or whatever, or

777
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 2: defensive ends on a crack back, I go up there.

778
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: She was like, oh, he said, you don't have to

779
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 2: come into about nine fifteen to day, but he was great.

780
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: Then I dropped, I dropped the touchdown.

781
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 3: Uh.

782
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: The playoffs. One time we playing the Bengals. We won

783
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 2: the game, I dropped the playoff. I come to the sideline.

784
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, dangn all right, I got to figure this out.

785
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: I'm one when I dropped a pass, like like, stay

786
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 2: away from it, like I'm gonna figure it out.

787
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: I'm figured it out to stay away.

788
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 2: If Rex comes up to me, he says, well, you

789
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: can hit, but you can't catch. For so he like

790
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: living me up and instantly is what I needed. You

791
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, You get out your own heads.

792
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: So great dude.

793
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: Man, he just knows what a player needs and he's

794
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: just he's a great dude.

795
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 3: How much does a sting to go to two AFC

796
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,479
Speaker 3: Championship games and almost like you're just one game away?

797
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 3: How much is that sting?

798
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: I love what happens on these podcasts because people they

799
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: get on here and they try to like not to

800
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: tell the truth.

801
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a blamer. I'm gonna go ahead and say, yeah,

802
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,479
Speaker 1: thank you. The reason why blame I'd be blaming.

803
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: The reason why it sucks is because it's Brian Shotenheimers.

804
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: Fuck Brian Schottenheimer's offensive coordinator the two years I was

805
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 2: in New York Jets. Cool dude, but it couldn't get

806
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 2: it done. First year we played the coach right, they're

807
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: playing man and man coverage. I had one hundred yards

808
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: at halftime. Yeah, I had one hundred yards a halftime.

809
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: Thomas Jones, It gets hurt, Jones.

810
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: TJ.

811
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: You know, TJ gets hurt. He threw me one pass

812
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 2: and the second half and we lost. It was just

813
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 2: the way in which they went it by.

814
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: I give you an example.

815
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 2: We get into uh it's it's the first half. We're

816
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 2: up four points. We get a turnover, so I'm like, okay, cool,

817
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: we can go for a shot. Yeah, let's just take

818
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 2: a shot. Or actually we're up ten or four, four, seven,

819
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: one or two. Let's get the end zone. They played

820
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 2: for the field goal. Guess what happens. They feely missed

821
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 2: the field goal. Guess what happened? Peyon man and we

822
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 2: were up ten. It was ten, That's what it was.

823
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 2: We were up ten. Jay feel missus the field shout

824
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 2: at Jay University, Michigan. Goblu Peyton goes down fielding thirty

825
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: seven seconds right before the half and they score. So

826
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 2: now as opposed to being thirteen to zero, or seventeen

827
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: to zero. It's now ten to seven. We get the

828
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 2: ball after the half. Don't you know that locker room

829
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 2: was dead, sad. We're up and get the ball dead silent.

830
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: But that was Brian Schinheimer once again, and he threw

831
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 2: me one pass in the second half.

832
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: Second AFC Championship game, defense did their thing. Defense did

833
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: it thing.

834
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 2: We played the Stillers the second time, we had just

835
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 2: played them four weeks prior. I had one hundred and

836
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 2: eighteen yards. Antonio did his thing. We took advantage because

837
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: Troy was injured. Troy had I think you want to

838
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: say Achilles was bruised or something like that, so he

839
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: didn't play in that game. Took advantage, destroyed them in

840
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: the AFC Championship, changed the whole offensive game plan.

841
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: Threw me one pass and it was on the fourth down.

842
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 2: I converted and then Jaco Jerichocatri shot at Jacob one

843
00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 2: of my favorite teammates ever. He had one hundred so dudes, man,

844
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 2: he want them dudes. He was coaching thing too. But

845
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: he scores a touchdown. We can't come back. Emanuel Sanders

846
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 2: actually called a third down conversion kind of in the

847
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 2: game for it I'm not saying he had to get

848
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 2: me the ball, but why I go away from something

849
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: that's working. One hundred in the first half, nothing in

850
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 2: the second half. One hundred and eighteen in the first game,

851
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 2: and then one pass in the second.

852
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: So I blamed Brian Shot. I agree with you. I accepted.

853
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: I actually.

854
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 3: We learned from you guys that first year versus the

855
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: Jets what not to do. I bet we learned what

856
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 3: not to do, especially playing against Peyton Mann. Can you

857
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 3: guys defense was great first half yep. But then by

858
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 3: like the middle of the second half, he kind of

859
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 3: learned what you guys are doing.

860
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: Because our offense wasn't.

861
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't helping the defense on the field, they're

862
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 2: standing defense.

863
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

864
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 3: So eventually he kind of figured things out, and then

865
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 3: he started getting nicking us apart. So then it was like,

866
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 3: all right, well, we got to have enough bullets in

867
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 3: the chamber to be able to do something in the

868
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 3: third or fourth quarter that.

869
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: He had this nine this has been nine Super.

870
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 4: Bowl Yes, when we paid against the Colts, and so

871
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 4: when Tracy Porter picked him off the end zone, that

872
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 4: was just something that he hadn't seen. And so we

873
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 4: ran a different version of a man and man coverage.

874
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 4: So but we learned from what the Jets did, and

875
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 4: you guys had him. You guys had them. But then

876
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 4: you guys just kind of yeah, and you know, now

877
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 4: you're over here like Peanut with two conference championship, ten appearances.

878
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: You know he got he got got one too. Was

879
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:41,720
Speaker 1: that shot?

880
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: It was?

881
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: It was?

882
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 3: What do you think the biggest misconception is about you

883
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 3: as a player?

884
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: Oh, as a player, I think it's the position as

885
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: a whole. I think it's the diva. Yeah, I think

886
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 2: it's a misconception of I totally thought you would have

887
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 2: been a diva. I like hitting, bro like, I like

888
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 2: like blocking whatever, making first downs, going over middle, catching

889
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: like I just love. But at the same time, I

890
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 2: like getting in zone, I like dancing, like doing all that.

891
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: I'm not a diva, you know. And I hate it

892
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: when they said that, like, I just played. I played

893
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 2: the game. Played the game. I played the game. So

894
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 2: BIG's misconception is devn. I think it's just a tag

895
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 2: for why those that wouldn't me.

896
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: We're going to take a short break and we'll be

897
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: right back.

898
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 3: So I retired in what twenty I'm retired in twenty sixteen,

899
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 3: were you're twenty seventeen.

900
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I probably say the hardest part.

901
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 3: About leaving this game or walking away from it is

902
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 3: accepting it. And twenty thirteen you were in you were

903
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 3: in New York with the Jets and the end up

904
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 3: releasing you. I think you had hurt your knee or

905
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:51,720
Speaker 3: I'm sorry ankle. What was the hardest part about accepting

906
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 3: that it was over?

907
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 2: Like it's it as a hell of a question, and

908
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 2: I like, I love how you asked it. This is

909
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 2: our identity, And I think that was the thing for

910
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 2: a lot of us, a lot of guys that didn't

911
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 2: necessarily set up things as they were playing and kind

912
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 2: of already have the phase out.

913
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: You know. I was that guy. I never focused on

914
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: anything but football.

915
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 2: Same so I focused on like football is. Football is

916
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 2: what gave me confidence to talk to women. Like football

917
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 2: is what gave me confidence just to like to wake up.

918
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: I was. I was insecure and shy as a kid.

919
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 2: I told you I was five six and all these

920
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 2: other stuff. Football gave me confidence, you know, football, Like

921
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 2: when I finally found myself, it was football going number

922
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: three overall, I'm like, yeah, like, and so much of

923
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: my persona was number third pick overall, you know, having

924
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 2: this and having that and being able to do this

925
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 2: and that. So now that it's slowly but surely being taken,

926
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 2: like damn, who am I?

927
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: Damn?

928
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: What do I do next? Like you know when I

929
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 2: walk into a room, how am I be perceived?

930
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: Is it? Hey?

931
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: That's Braidlyn was always like man, you know, you know

932
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 2: you just got cut or you know he he don't

933
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 2: playing league no more. So I think for me it

934
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: was like trying to eventually tell myself that that's not

935
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 2: who you are. Football is a vehicle, Like football is

936
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 2: a vehicle that drives you to the plane that's ultimately

937
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 2: going to get you to where you are and like

938
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 2: for who you're going to be. So just working through

939
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 2: that like that was tough, like because I had to

940
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: disassociate myself from the player, Like I'm way more than

941
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: the football player. Football actually was a small part of

942
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 2: who I am. But it's telling yourself that. It's having

943
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: the confidence, having my mom, having God, having like my

944
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 2: father and the.

945
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 1: People around me. Eventually you get there.

946
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 2: But in twenty thirteen, like I a lot of time

947
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 2: in Miami trying to run from that next step.

948
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, how long do you think that process was for

949
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 4: you before you started like liking the Brailn nevers that.

950
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 1: You saw them.

951
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 2: Okay, thirteen, I officially retiring. Fourteen fifteen, I'm working with ESPN.

952
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 2: I'm doing some hits for Fox and start to balance

953
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: it feeling good. All right, cool, I'm still in shape,

954
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 2: still got money in my pocket. You know what I'm saying.

955
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 2: I can do this broadcasting thing and we can pivot

956
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 2: this and do some other stuff. No pun intended, by

957
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 2: the way, and for the slows. I got DUI in

958
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen and eot A fifteen Arizona. So once that

959
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 2: finally like knocked out my agent, then it Fox didn't

960
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: want to do anything. ESPN didn't want to do anything

961
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 2: for a while. Then I go right back into dang,

962
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: Now who am I were going to do? So it

963
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 2: was a while, and it wasn't until I went back

964
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 2: to school, going back to school. I went back to

965
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: school twenty seventeen to get my degree. And when I

966
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 2: went back, I said, oh, okay, all right, stop, what's

967
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 2: all this pity parties?

968
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like like you.

969
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 2: Were with something before football, you'll be way more after football.

970
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: So going back to school is it was like okay,

971
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: and getting going back to school, I start working at

972
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 2: mental Health, I started working in the digital space again

973
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: with media. So going back to school is when it

974
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: finally clicked again. It was like, man, all right, how

975
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 2: many years has it been? Fourteen seven?

976
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 4: What about school made you like snap back into it?

977
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 4: Because I look, I went back after my second year

978
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 4: in the league and finished my degree.

979
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,959
Speaker 1: I had three classes. I went back.

980
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 4: It was like the best experience ever for me because

981
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 4: I was I wasn't working out like a normal football player.

982
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 4: I was doing on my own terms, but I was

983
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 4: like normal and I was like, dude, I got so

984
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 4: much more time. I had so much more clarity. I

985
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 4: could do things on my terms. It was just different

986
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 4: and being in that classroom with other students and kind

987
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 4: of just seeing it work, and you actually like, damn,

988
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 4: I got a huge advantage because everybody in this room

989
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 4: at least that's how I.

990
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: Feel life experience I had.

991
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like everybody in here is doing this

992
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 3: just trying to get this education.

993
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: To get their dream job. I'm like, dude, I already

994
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: did that.

995
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 3: Already did that. I got my dream job. I'm just

996
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 3: getting this paper.

997
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it was. It easier though it was

998
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: easy for me.

999
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: It's the same same, and I'll get into that in

1000
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 2: a second. But you bring up someone and I don't

1001
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: want to forget it. That's a hard part for us.

1002
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: So many people have to go to school. Then once

1003
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 2: you go to school route they're twenty two. Now, they

1004
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 2: struggle to get the job or to get the placement,

1005
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: and then they get the job at least to the

1006
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 2: next job. Yeah, they're forty five before they finally get

1007
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: to where they want to be or where they get

1008
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 2: to their goal or fifty or et cetera.

1009
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: What do you do when you achieve your dream at

1010
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: twenty two?

1011
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, See, no one told us to move the goal

1012
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 2: post back for ourselves. And I think that's a conversation

1013
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: for these young kids to tell them, like.

1014
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: Look, keep moving that goal post.

1015
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 2: That's a great point because when you achieve it, it's

1016
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 2: already so like it's done so anyway. But wide school

1017
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 2: did it because I was able to put energy and

1018
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: other stuff, like I was a good student when I mean,

1019
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 2: I talked all the time when I was younger, but

1020
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: I was.

1021
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: A's b's hecame easy.

1022
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 2: But I saw myself put forth effort in other things

1023
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 2: and enjoy it, whether it was writing a paper, whether

1024
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 2: it was figuring out this, or whether it was taking

1025
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: a stance in this class. And then you were regular

1026
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 2: students that get away from sports, Like were just sitting

1027
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 2: there talking about you know, some some random girl from

1028
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: Oregon and what it was like for her growing up,

1029
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 2: and this is what she wants to do. Her cat

1030
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: from Maine, Bangor Maine, and you kick it with doud

1031
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 2: like I'm talking to this kid from Bangor Maine. So

1032
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 2: I think being able to dive in classes, dive in

1033
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: rhetoric or curriculum excusing, and just meet random people that

1034
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 2: were not in between those hashes that one hundred back

1035
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: fifty four. Yeah, that's what kind of like, all right,

1036
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 2: this is cool, Yes, it's okay. Yeah, I'm gonna be okay.

1037
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 2: And would you get your degree in language and arts? Language,

1038
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 2: Language and arts speaking the other languages I speak of.

1039
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: Cash a big coin. I mean, I think that's a

1040
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: great a great subject.

1041
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 3: Just not for my Would you get to business business

1042
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 3: man business management?

1043
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 4: I mean, but he already had his money, so he

1044
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 4: don't need to like get a degree.

1045
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: That's gonna like do that it's gonna be two.

1046
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: Tis like I'm gonna get degree. I'm not unless you're

1047
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 2: a doctor. Yeah, lets you get your NBA. That's you're

1048
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: a doctor. Unless you're with law, unless you're those You're

1049
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 2: you're going to get a degree and go do something

1050
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 2: completely different. Away, I wanted more multiple experience.

1051
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 4: I want to talk about one more part of the

1052
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 4: transition and the struggle, and that is you talked about

1053
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 4: this in your book as well, that you wrote about

1054
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 4: how bad this the reliance on the opioids and maybe

1055
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 4: that led to some of your erratic driving. Also on

1056
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 4: your uh, your Wikipedia, it's pretty open and candidate about

1057
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 4: how many speeding tickets you got, Like.

1058
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 3: With everybody knows you can pity at eight ten year

1059
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 3: period you had, like I mean I had to, I

1060
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 3: had to.

1061
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: One was more extreme now yeah, yeah, it was one

1062
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: tall Nights.

1063
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 5: First it was like one sixty five, I mean sixty five.

1064
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 5: First of all, why is your free way sixty?

1065
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: I agree? I agree that sounds like a DC thing.

1066
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: That's a funny story too, That actually is a story.

1067
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 2: Tell it so going one twenty five in the sixty

1068
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 2: but it's a Bentley Bentley goes to twenty So I

1069
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: get pulled over and the cop is like, what are

1070
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 2: you doing? What? He said, what are you doing? I

1071
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 2: was like, sir, the car goes to twenty. I was

1072
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 2: going one hundred and twenty. Average car goes about one

1073
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 2: twenty at sixty, So technically, i'm you're driving faster than

1074
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: I am.

1075
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 1: He's said, license and so he gave me it, gave

1076
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: me a ticket for seventy But oh good see.

1077
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: But that's because I signed an autograph unbeknowing to myself

1078
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 2: for his son who had cancer and not his son,

1079
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 2: his nephew. He came and camut science. He was like, man,

1080
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: you're a very nice so I'm gonna cut.

1081
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: You a break. I say, dude, I mean, but I said, hey,

1082
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: I ain't say nothing. That's pretty I appreciate it. Yeah,

1083
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 1: I was sober though.

1084
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 4: Yeah that's true, but I want to know about that though,

1085
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 4: just your uh.

1086
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: How bad was your op yo?

1087
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 4: And like you also said the mental health thing, like

1088
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 4: these are all the things that you learned and it

1089
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 4: helped you get to where you are now.

1090
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of percent.

1091
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 2: It never got to the point of like craziness, but

1092
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 2: it definitely became a dependency.

1093
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: For a second, right, I would say two, because you

1094
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: know how Miami is. Yeah, yeah, So.

1095
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 2: When you're retired, I'm now twenty twelve, I'm contemplating what.

1096
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do.

1097
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 2: I'm in Miami, I'm hanging out, hanging out with different crowd,

1098
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 2: different people. I'm actually getting away from the people that

1099
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 2: I hang out that I know players. Yeah, and now

1100
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: you start to hang out with other people that are

1101
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 2: in other things, and you know, you start dibbling, you

1102
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: start dabbling, start trying things, and it just it's that release.

1103
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 1: Right, you know, it's like the getting away. You're the

1104
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: escapism as they call it.

1105
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 2: So you know, from twenty twelve to two thousand fifteen,

1106
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 2: when that incident happened in Arizona and then I had

1107
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 2: house arrested in this great state of Michigan twenty sixteen,

1108
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 2: that's when started to clear up.

1109
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: And then when I went back.

1110
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 2: To school, it was good, but it was it was

1111
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 2: me realizing I'm running away from people for a reason.

1112
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: It's realizing I'm not going back to Detroit for a reason.

1113
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 2: I'm not talking to my mom or my brothers or

1114
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 2: certain friends for a reason because I'm trying to escape.

1115
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to deal with, you know, being mortal.

1116
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to. I'm not trying to deal with

1117
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 2: my mortality. I'm not trying to deal with this sport

1118
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 2: will not last forever and what's next.

1119
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: I'm running from all that.

1120
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 2: So I drink, you do other things, and it's an escapism.

1121
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 2: But when you come down from that escapism like it

1122
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 2: is now you're depressed. Now you're going to this depressed state.

1123
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 2: Now you're retiring. Now now I'm not even working, So

1124
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 2: now I'm able to do what I want. So now

1125
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 2: it's just you don't have family, if you don't have God, man,

1126
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 2: if you don't have good people around you. And that's

1127
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 2: what I ultimately left Miami in twenty fourteen. I come

1128
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 2: back to Detroit, still working on myself. But your mom

1129
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 2: ain't My mom's Detroit. She's strong woman. It's always so

1130
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: long she will.

1131
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: Let me run. Finally she look me in the marijuana.

1132
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: They say, get you together. He was like you, He

1133
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 1: was like, this is what what do you? What are you?

1134
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: That's it? Yeah, like what are you doing? And so

1135
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: then you're like, I can't even lie. Yeah, I had nothing.

1136
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 2: It's like K two at that play. So but by

1137
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:19,959
Speaker 2: the grace of guy, my mom, my grandma. They stayed

1138
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: praying and stay work and he just he was all right, cool,

1139
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 2: like you know, let me get out of it. So

1140
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 2: for me, it was a phase. Yeah, And that's why

1141
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 2: I chose to work a mintal health because you see

1142
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 2: a lot of football players, a lot of athletes, a

1143
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 2: lot of people in general. It starts small and then

1144
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 2: if they don't have the people around them, and it

1145
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 2: turns into something totally different.

1146
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: Man.

1147
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 2: So work with the NFL, I'm not association here in Detroit,

1148
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 2: working with SMA, working with some other groups. When I

1149
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 2: went back to Michigan, I met some people over there

1150
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 2: at the Eastern Medical Wings.

1151
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: So working in space for a minute, man, and yeah,

1152
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 1: good people. Man. Thanks. Man.

1153
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 3: Is there any advice you would give any former player

1154
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 3: about staying on top of that mental health aspect of it?

1155
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 3: I think we talk about physical all the time, but

1156
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 3: the mental part of it. Do you just say, what

1157
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 3: advice would you give the former players? Yes, don't be

1158
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 3: afraid to talk to people. Like and when I say

1159
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 3: talk to people, it doesn't.

1160
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: Have to be a therapist.

1161
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 2: It could be uncle, be eyed, and it could be

1162
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 2: your grandmother, it could be your girlfriend could be your wife,

1163
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 2: it could be your son or daughter. Don't be afraid

1164
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 2: to talk to people because I think we're so ashamed

1165
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 2: a lot of times, or you're so embarrassed, or you

1166
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 2: feel that you're being embarrassed.

1167
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: You feel that you be ashamed, and so.

1168
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 2: You hide your corner and you're corner from people that

1169
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 2: are not gonna judge you.

1170
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: You're cornering from people that if you get it out

1171
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: in the open.

1172
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 2: I think once you start talking, once you start having dialogue,

1173
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 2: you can you can help yourself.

1174
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: People can help you.

1175
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 2: So don't be ashamed, don't be embarrassed. Like we all

1176
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 2: go through it. We all have some level of mental

1177
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 2: something that we're dealing with. So don't be ashamed it.

1178
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 2: Don't be embarrassed because it's nothing to be ashamed or

1179
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 2: embarrassed about.

1180
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,919
Speaker 1: Start open your mouth. I love that. I was good.

1181
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: I just never really loved that. We'll be back in

1182
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 1: a minute.

1183
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 3: I want to know what made you want to write

1184
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 3: your book, so that innovation behind that.

1185
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 2: So they came to me, that publishing company came to

1186
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 2: me and my mom before about writing a book, and

1187
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 2: I was like, because I put that book out nineteen

1188
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 2: They came to me in seventeen.

1189
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: I was like, what am I going to talk about?

1190
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 2: Talk about Michigan, what I did in the NFL and

1191
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 2: double speeding tickets and kids. And also I didn't like

1192
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 2: the space I was in. Yeah, you're still in that escape.

1193
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 2: It was ending, but I still was there. So I

1194
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 2: was like, the book isn't complete. Like if I write

1195
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 2: a book, it does book has to have a beginning

1196
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 2: and middle, and then like this book would have had

1197
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 2: a beginning and it would have had a middle, and

1198
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 2: so I didn't.

1199
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: I was it serves no purpose.

1200
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 2: Fast forward, finish my degree, start working again, start doing

1201
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 2: some good things, start feeling good, start working in space

1202
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 2: and mental health. And they came back to me again

1203
00:51:58,120 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 2: about writing the book. I said, yeah, let's do it.

1204
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:01,479
Speaker 1: Let's do it. I said.

1205
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,439
Speaker 2: Also, I talked to a couple people that written books

1206
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 2: and they said, b real, it's therapeutic. They said, it's therapeutic,

1207
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 2: and so I said, all right, I'm down for some therapy.

1208
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, I got to writing that book. I cried

1209
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: some of it.

1210
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: It was beautiful because you realize you blame yourself sometimes

1211
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:19,439
Speaker 2: for a lot of things that aren't your fault.

1212
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: You realize a lot of times you blame other people,

1213
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: the stuff is your fault.

1214
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 2: So it allowed me a chance to, like men's some

1215
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: fences with friends, allow me men some fences with myself,

1216
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 2: and be able to really look at myself again, all right,

1217
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 2: feel good about this, and talk to people.

1218
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: So it was fun. And I chose that because I

1219
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: love Frank Sinatra.

1220
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 2: So I mean, it's doing it my way, like I

1221
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 2: did it my way, like like you said in that club,

1222
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 2: I'm always do.

1223
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: It my way. Yeah, on my own terms.

1224
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 2: But it was very Therapeuty allowed me to deal some

1225
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 2: stuff for my childhood in terms of when we moved

1226
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 2: to Georgia.

1227
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: Like I'm a city boy. We moved to a country area.

1228
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 2: Everybody was two years old, two years older than me,

1229
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 2: and all these boys grew up together. So when I

1230
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 2: get down there, I'm six, get my ass with two

1231
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 2: years jumping.

1232
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: I got jumped. I was small, I was.

1233
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 2: You know, beat me up to play baseball at first,

1234
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,240
Speaker 2: So I had to deal with that. I never looked

1235
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 2: back on that til I wrote the book. I start

1236
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 2: writing a book, and I'm like, Dann, I wonder what happened.

1237
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 2: I got six three and I'm in the gym and

1238
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,720
Speaker 2: I'm just lifting like out of control, like I'm trying

1239
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 2: to be prepared for that moment. Again, I think that's

1240
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 2: what happened at the Why that day. That's how you

1241
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 2: saw that, and it just went back to that moment.

1242
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 2: So writing that book let me get in touch with

1243
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: some things. I think I bottled up and never even knew.

1244
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 1: I mean, that's crazy because I didn't know y'all was

1245
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: gonna do this to me. Man, Man, I mean, I'm

1246
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: just listening here. I have something I want to go to.

1247
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 3: But what you just said so important because you know,

1248
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 3: my wife has talked to me about dealing with some

1249
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 3: of her child childhood issues or childhood.

1250
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: Traumas likes to call it.

1251
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 4: And so how a lot of times when you deal

1252
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 4: with childhood trauma, like you bottle up and like you don't.

1253
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: Even address it.

1254
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 3: It's yeah, you don't, it's not even you didn't have to,

1255
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 3: didn't even happen until all of a sudden you rehash it,

1256
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, these emotions and all

1257
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 3: these things happen and you don't know where it came from.

1258
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, you know, you look

1259
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 3: back on this book that you're writing. It's like, dude,

1260
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 3: all these things lean back to.

1261
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 4: This, and so is it being able to say that

1262
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 4: now did you think you'd ever get to this place

1263
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,720
Speaker 4: when you were like twenty fifteen sixteen, when you were running,

1264
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 4: like where now you're able to just sit up here

1265
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 4: and be so open and candle with us, because not everybody,

1266
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 4: like you said, a lot of people get on these

1267
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 4: things and.

1268
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 1: Try and lie and sugarcoat.

1269
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 4: You're like, nah, is this this is where I'm at?

1270
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 2: I know because I'm still in that escape as a mindset,

1271
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 2: like my dream, which I'm in a better place, I

1272
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 2: still have this dream. But to a certain extent, my

1273
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 2: dream was to leave the country and go to the islands,

1274
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 2: like I'm not just out there, yeah, just like living

1275
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 2: islands man, like open up a sport, borrow on the beach,

1276
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 2: man just just chill kind of like bad send Billy,

1277
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 2: Bob Thornton.

1278
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: But that was it. But it was still that escapeism.

1279
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 2: I was right still trying to get away because I

1280
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 2: feel like, all right, cool, you know what if I leave,

1281
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 2: if I go over here to the islands and chill,

1282
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 2: like I don't have to deal with whatever the past was,

1283
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 2: Like I could leave everything in the past, and I

1284
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 2: could leave it stateside as they say, But like, yeah,

1285
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 2: that was to be that then, and to be on

1286
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 2: this podcast with you guys man brothers in arms and

1287
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,959
Speaker 2: just having its talking it out like it's the long

1288
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 2: journey here, journey's not done.

1289
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: But I love it though.

1290
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 4: Like you, I know, Peanuts got one last question for

1291
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 4: him to get this out.

1292
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: Uh, how does it tell me.

1293
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 4: About being the voice of Detroit sports radio talk man?

1294
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: From the voice but the chosen one.

1295
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate it about you homegrown brog man.

1296
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 2: I love it and I appreciate it. I was just

1297
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 2: with Jerome Betta last night and two seconds ago he

1298
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 2: was down there at the Detroit It's Big bro with

1299
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 2: to McKenzie High School. He ran me over one time.

1300
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 2: He ain't the only one. He's got a bunch of

1301
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 2: people in the Hall of Fame bus tour. But uh,

1302
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 2: I just love being from the city man. Like a

1303
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 2: lot of black people that have voices on the radio

1304
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 2: and sports airways, you know what I'm saying. We shout

1305
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 2: out to to Terry Foster, who is one of the

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00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 2: first ones, Drew Sharp.

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00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: Those guys kind of set the tone.

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00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 2: But now to be able to have this space, have

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00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 2: his voice say what I want to say, as long

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00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 2: as I'm backing it up with some research, long as

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00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 2: I'm backing up with some uh, some actual facts mixed

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00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 2: in with the opinions.

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00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: It was good because it feels like the city listens.

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00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 2: I think even when they don't like, when they disagree,

1315
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 2: they still listen to me and give me a chance.

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00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: So I love it. Man. I'm from the city, born

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00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: and raised. Three on three? What up though? What up? Deugh?

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00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: What up? Deugh? Well, my I got a simple fun

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00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: question for you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you all this other Yeah, yeah, well, let me

1321
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 3: just say this. I appreciate you being vulnerable like it's

1322
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 3: it's some people can't do that.

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00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: I think that's just growth. Friend.

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00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 3: It shows the growth that you've come, how much growth

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00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 3: you've grown since then, you know.

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00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,919
Speaker 2: So I appreciate you guys married, correct, Yeah, good women

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00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 2: will do that. I'll just say that. Yeah, I gotta

1328
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 2: I gotta go. I'm not married yet, but she is.

1329
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 2: She's the last boss, as they say in video games.

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00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, they're usually the toughest ones. Just know that.

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Speaker 3: I call yeah Mount Rushmore. Right, You've had a successful

1332
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 3: life you know, some good, some bad. Who are the

1333
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 3: four people on your personal Mount Rushmore that has helped

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00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 3: you become who you are today?

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00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 2: Mom is not one, two, three, or four? But uh

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00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 2: my mom? Yeah, my stepfather why so my dad has

1337
00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 2: always been around Like I was just with my dad

1338
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 2: last night played in the NFL. We talked about great guy.

1339
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 2: But my dad was always it was like sports. Like

1340
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 2: with my stepfather. He came in at an early age

1341
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 2: as well, and it just was everything you know, and

1342
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 2: it was academics, it was how you feeling.

1343
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: It was this is how you tie this tie, this

1344
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: is that.

1345
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 2: So it was when you come more well rounded, and

1346
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 2: the care was always there, you know what I'm saying. So, uh,

1347
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be who I was to dead for my

1348
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 2: stuff and my father as well. Yeah, uh stepfather, father

1349
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 2: it is three. My grandmother yeah, my grandmother, my grandmother

1350
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 2: before my grandma.

1351
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm saying why why grandma?

1352
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 2: Grandma always made me feel special, but she never she

1353
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 2: never sugarcoated anything.

1354
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: And my grandma wasn't like, oh that's my baby, that's

1355
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: just my baby. Grandma.

1356
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 2: She beat your ass if you if you need it,

1357
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 2: like she don't do that now I know your mama

1358
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 2: said this, but this was going on. Like when I

1359
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 2: stayed to Grandma's. It was fun, but it also was

1360
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 2: you know, he's gonna get this discipline because my mom

1361
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 2: wouldn't whoop me until my stepdad came with log. But

1362
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 2: Grandma was spiritually like devoted to like I never like

1363
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 2: everything she dealt with. I looked at her childhood. You know,

1364
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 2: she had five kids. She had five kids by the

1365
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 2: age of twenty three. Ford it he father. My Mom's

1366
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 2: gonna kill me for putting that out there. But everything

1367
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 2: that she went through at that age, you know, she

1368
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 2: got into church later and she just kept trucking. She

1369
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 2: kept trucking. She kept trucking. She kept being the matriarch

1370
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 2: for our family. You know, she kept us strong, she

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00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 2: kept us together. Whenever I would like I feel like

1372
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 2: I was going through something high school, I go to

1373
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 2: Grandma's house.

1374
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: We pray, we cook man and you know, I'd be good.

1375
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: Same thing in college.

1376
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 2: And I noticed in the NFL when I started messing up,

1377
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 2: when I stopped picking up Grandma's phone call when she

1378
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 2: was trying to pray for me in the off season.

1379
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 2: When I'm coming home, I'm like coming home to come

1380
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 2: downtown and hang out. But I'm not stopping by Grandma's house.

1381
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 2: So that connection that my grandma and I have, like

1382
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:04,479
Speaker 2: I just get these moments, let.

1383
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: Me call Grandma, should tell me, hey, don't you know

1384
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: I got in the car? Actually I was.

1385
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 2: I knew it. Like our connection is like that. So

1386
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 2: that's why Grandma. I like that over rub my hand and.

1387
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 3: Nervous tell no, hey man, I like that though, the openness,

1388
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 3: the vulnerability. I think it takes a special person to

1389
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 3: be courageous and be strong enough to share all those

1390
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 3: personal stories with us.

1391
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: And I appreciate that. I know Rome does. Thank you

1392
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: for blessing us. Appreciate you, guys, man, your presence.

1393
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 3: And your energy and the stories. Man, this was This

1394
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 3: was dope and I hope to do it again. And

1395
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 3: I wish you nothing but success, and you know, post

1396
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 3: post football career, and I love that you're back home, homegrown,

1397
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 3: being the voice of this great state.

1398
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: I don't think I ever beat either one of you, guys.

1399
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: I was just thinking that.

1400
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 2: I've been thinking this the whole hour we've been talking.

1401
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't think I ever beat the Saint No.

1402
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 3: And I know for a fact, so I got a

1403
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 3: I got a quick thirty second story when so y'all

1404
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 3: played us, Yeah, no, no, no Jets, the Jets, the

1405
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 3: snowblzard y'all played us. There, we got stuck and we

1406
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 3: were on the end zone. It was it was a

1407
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 3: goal line play. Sin said, he threw you the ball.

1408
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 3: I was why I should have scored. I don't know how,

1409
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 3: and I'll try to find it later, but I don't

1410
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 3: know how. It's like I dove for it, but I

1411
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 3: think my foot kicked it or something, and I caught

1412
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 3: it like you called it, and I'm just like and

1413
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 3: I remember and I looked back, was like how, oh

1414
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 3: my god.

1415
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: This was so mad. We still lost that game.

1416
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 2: I think Santonio scored in that game, but we still

1417
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 2: I was pissed on that play. You know why is

1418
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:43,959
Speaker 2: when I saw the replay, so I guess I thought

1419
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 2: you were going to get the interception. So I kind

1420
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 2: of was like, oh, Peter about to pick it up,

1421
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 2: and it got through them and I caught it like this.

1422
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 2: When you look behind me, there's nobody but the end zone.

1423
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 2: So like I'm looking like I'm doing.

1424
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 1: Like this peanuts on the ground right here. I can't

1425
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 1: remember who was literally they were over there. It's nothing

1426
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: but ends on if I would have just fell back. Yeah,

1427
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: but I was so like called up guard by catching

1428
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 1: the pass. A lot of everybody come back, I.

1429
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 2: Know exactly, Oh my god, and get back up there.

1430
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 2: I've never scored a social field, so I was. I'm

1431
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 2: still pissed about that. It took a touchdown away from

1432
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 2: me when I was in Seattle. Yeah, never turned that one.

1433
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 2: That one, that one hurt me.

1434
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 3: That would have been like one of the few picks

1435
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 3: that I dropped to get me to forty. I was like,

1436
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 3: I finished, No, I finished with thirty eight. I would

1437
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 3: have been the only would have been only. I call

1438
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 3: it the forty forty club forty forty and forty fourth fumbles.

1439
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: That's that forty fourth fumbers. Wow. Wow, don't you know?

1440
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: I guess we I make this thirty second? Don't you know?

1441
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 2: Every team I ever played on, Like when you're playing

1442
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 2: against the Chicago Bears, you ain't know what story was

1443
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 2: talking about all week in practice, all week in practice,

1444
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 2: the punch all week in practice. You gotta walking around

1445
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 2: all the football like doing the halls, like doing practice,

1446
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 2: and they just try to punch it out if you

1447
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 2: get it punched out. Different fees, different teams did different stuff,

1448
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 2: but they preach. They preached he's.

1449
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: Gonna punch it out. He's gonna punch it out for.

1450
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 2: Four pressures or five points, for five points of the ball.

1451
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 2: It didn't matter with you.

1452
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: You can be like, this.

1453
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 4: Will still go out. Tom Payton said, I don't even

1454
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 4: want yack this week. Get down. I don't even want it.

1455
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 4: I'll call it better play. If I want more yards,

1456
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,919
Speaker 4: I'll call it better I don't even want yea. So uh,

1457
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 4: you definitely affected the game that way, brailor man.

1458
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: Appreciate you. Man. Next time the weather's better, we need

1459
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: to golf. Say, let's all right, I heard you. I

1460
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:37,439
Speaker 1: heard pickle ball. Get golf to play tickle ball. There

1461
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: it is I water polo, Me too, Me too, waiting man,

1462
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: let's get up out here. Man.

1463
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 4: Thank you as always for our viewers, our listeners. Wherever

1464
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 4: you pick us up at man, make sure you give

1465
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 4: us a five star rating, give us a review, hit that,

1466
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 4: give it, leave us a couple of comments, hit like

1467
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 4: make sure you hit that follow buttons yes, man, come

1468
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 4: on man, uh And where you pick up your podcast

1469
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 4: with the Apple Podcast. iHeartRadio app Man, thank you so much,

1470
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 4: Brailor Man, you are awesome.

1471
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: Dude, you were awesome. Man.

1472
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 4: You definitely uh man, it's something to be said about somebody.

1473
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 4: I thought I came in with great expectations and you

1474
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 4: over delivered.

1475
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 1: So thank you for that. Man, great job. Appreciate your brothers. Hey,

1476
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: I'm Peanut. That's Brailan.

1477
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 3: This is the Motown man himself. You know this is

1478
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 3: the most Roman Roman har here, we're the NFL player.

1479
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 3: Second as podcast, we out

1480
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 2: H