WEBVTT - I Think it’s Best Picked Off (S2 E10, "The Bracebridge Dinner") 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:18.440 I Am all In. I Am all In with Scott 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:22.680 Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. Hey everybody's Scott Patterson 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:25.239 and this is the I Am all In podcast our 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:27.840 Heart Radio one to Live In productions. What an episode 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:31.200 the Bracebridge Dinner. I gotta tell you, my impress, my 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:35.520 initial impression of this, after after the roller coaster ride 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:40.640 of hilarity and emotion, my god, this to me reminded 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:45.640 me of, you know, the swagger that the creators have now, 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:50.800 like we're the biggest, baddest sons of bees in the 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:54.720 gosh darn entertainment industry, and this is what we can 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:57.720 do top this? You know, it was just it was 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:02.920 just so I mean, they were landing. Every joke landed beautifully, 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:08.600 Every storyline and narrative landed beautifully, wove and inter wove beautifully. 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:15.840 It was just amazing. I was beautiful. It looked. Everything 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:18.360 look good. Just the snow man looked fake. I'm sorry 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:21.480 it did. The snowmen did not look real. You can 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:25.600 see the dimples from the styrofoam. I'm sorry. I know. 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:29.839 They tried. The head when it fell off looked real. 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:33.559 Every the snow that they were packing on looked real 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:35.560 when it fall off, but the I don't know, it 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:37.959 was just a little too dimpled for me. I'm kind 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:43.280 of a snowman expert. I grew up making snowmen in 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:47.280 southern New Jersey. I never saw saw snow men that 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:50.320 were doing snow Man. Did you think was the award 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:58.120 winning deserving number one? Well, okay, as good as the ringers, 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:02.640 uh snow Man was, he did not provide the humor 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:05.520 that those two young ladies did, so I'm gonna have 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:09.080 to give it to our girls. Can you remember filming 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:11.480 that episode at all? I mean, just the way the 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:15.080 town looks stood out. I just don't. I don't you 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:18.800 know what I I do remember this leigh ride somewhat. 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:21.240 I do remember that it's not wild. It was not that. 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:23.280 I mean, twenty years ago is like, you know, a 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:25.200 lifetime for some people, but it's like just a little 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:28.360 chunk of my life, so it shouldn't be the biggest stretch. 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:30.480 I don't know that it's because it was twenty years ago. 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:34.920 I think it's because you shot so many episodes, so 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:39.359 it's like you can't differentiate each thing. They all kind 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:41.560 of run into each other. I just know I didn't 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:44.280 remember any of that, and I loved the bootsy stuff, 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:47.200 and I loved all that stuff. But I mean, right 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:50.680 off the bat, it was just firing on all cylinders, 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:56.239 and um it just continued to I mean, I got 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:59.960 I got my Michelle fixed. Very early in the episode, 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:03.120 he was a sterical. I was very happy physical just 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:06.600 when he's doing this. Oh yeah, So all right, so 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:10.920 let's get into this, and I guess Riley is a 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:13.800 little down down for the count. Yeah. Last week she 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.600 had our sexy voice, but now she's just out. Yeah, 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:19.600 now she's gonna have to sit one out. Um, so 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:22.920 you got me and Danielle Romo, thank you for filling 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:27.919 in for the My god, the the the growing popularity 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:30.880 of Riley is I mean, I'm starting to feel a 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:33.919 little threatened, to be honest. Yeah. The anticipation for Danielle's 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:36.920 performance with pop culture is, yeah, we might have to 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:38.760 invite her to a secret dinner and then like push 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:42.000 her over a cliff or sometimes ready to armchair quarterback. 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:45.680 This let's go alright, go ahead, Danielle. Okay. So this 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:49.400 is episode ten, The Bracebridge Dinner air date December eleven, 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:53.480 two thoe and the synopsis is, while Rory struggles to 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.280 keep the budding rivalry between Dean and just under control. 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:59.760 Lorelai invites most of the citizens of stars Hollow to 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:03.600 an elaborate feast, complete with costumes and horse drawn sleigh rides, 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:07.920 during which Richard announces to Emily he has retired. Boom 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:15.120 boom boom. There's so much to unpack here, Amy, you 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:17.800 gotta guide me through this. I'm just gonna go off. 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:22.600 I mean, this is this was just some incredible episode. 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:26.279 It really was the best one were talking about. Yeah, 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:28.279 there's a lot to talk about, so go ahead, all right, 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:30.719 So let's start with what stood out to me was 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:33.400 the sleigh ride. I thought, and we're going out of 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:35.720 order as we do, but the sleigh ride to me, 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:39.920 for each of the three couples, and I say couples intentionally, 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:43.719 it was very significant. So I'd love to talk about 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:48.280 Rory and Jess, you and lower Lie, Richard and Emily. 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:51.760 So let's start with Rory and Jeff and just their 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:55.440 whole tension grew out in a good way throughout this, right. 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:58.360 So they're sleigh ride there, accidental sleigh rides there, on 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.080 intentional sleigh ride. I mean, we've got to protect Rory. 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:04.560 She wasn't her idea. You know, Jess jumped in there, 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:09.520 um you know that was it made it clear to 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:13.000 me and I think the audience that he's kind of 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:18.320 more of her a parley there with the literature and yes, 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:21.400 and especially when he said, what do you two talk about? 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:24.280 And he wasn't being a jerk about it, but he 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:29.719 was indicating we have a connection and what we talk about? 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:33.640 And when I think, I think what makes him bearable? 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:36.400 After seeing the fight and his attitude and the whole 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:40.520 thing is we feel so sorry for him because his 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.880 own mother didn't want him for the holidays, and we've 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:48.120 learned that through Luke and Lorelei sleigh right, and as 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:51.720 right as Lorelei said, he knows, which we find out 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:54.839 as he's in the sleigh with Rory, he does know. 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:58.120 He does know, because Luke boasted that he doesn't know, 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:00.960 and I made up a white lie and what's appropriate? Delight, 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:03.880 But it made you love Luke that much more and 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:07.520 it made you feel for for Jess. I mean it really, 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:09.400 So now he gets away with all this sort of 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:13.440 I don't know, outlier behavior, um right, And he's a 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:16.120 serious rival, I mean it. And and and she got 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:19.720 caught looking at him. I mean Dean, Dean nailed her 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:23.600 from across the room. And the look the way I 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:28.200 when I'm watching it, I obviously I'm just completely sucked in. 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:30.640 But now talking to you about it is like the 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:34.200 acting of that, like how do you direct somebody? Now 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:37.360 you're gonna glance, but you can't glance too much. You 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:39.520 need to glance. How do they How does that go? 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:42.960 Now we're referring to that end scene. That's just easy. 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:45.040 That's just a little luck. It's not that big a deal. 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:48.600 Oh that is not easy. It's not that. It's not that. 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.200 It's just a little angle you and you give a 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:55.040 little look. Yeah, even the way you're saying it now, 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:57.120 it's like just the subtlety. It's like, to me, it 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:00.880 was everything her looked to him, his look to her. 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:04.000 They look away, they look back. It's like a dance 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:07.280 and it says everything to the audience. All of that 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:13.160 stuff technique wise falls under the heading less is more. Yeah, 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.880 at a big revelation this episode. I have been team 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:21.120 Dean from the get go, and literally this episode I 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:25.960 was like, oh no, it's just like but do you 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:29.320 know for me, it's like Dean is bouncing off the 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:34.160 walls every time she's you know, it's like it just 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:37.960 shows that why you have to be super cool in 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:41.720 the face of a rival. You know, either either blow 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:44.520 them up right away and let the girl sort of 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:49.320 get over that shock, or just be cool and laugh 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:52.440 at it because you know, tightening up and being you know, 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:55.600 possessive and sort of in a snit all the time 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:58.600 because Jess is around, you know, it makes him look bad. 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:01.320 It really weakens that Kirk because we've seen him that 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:05.000 way so many consecutive episodes. Now it's like you're almost 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:07.320 sick of it. It almost becomes like a Paris thing 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.440 where it's like, here we go again with the nasty 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:13.160 evil stuff. And even though Jesse's fight was really with 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:15.880 the guy that Rory thought was a jerk, it's that 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:19.920 Ben Dean jumped in and then they're fighting. It always 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:23.120 comes back to their rivalry. And I thought Jess was 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:28.760 interesting and probably correct when he said he doesn't seem 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:31.240 like you're a kind of guy. He's like kind of 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:33.280 guy he's kind of and it's like he's not he's 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:39.439 not he is. I just think he's reaching too far 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:41.880 up the ladder and he knows it and he's nervous 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:45.640 about it. And he's a good guy, you know, don't. 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:47.360 You can't take anything away from him. I mean, he's 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:52.679 a good guy, he's smart. He just isn't. I don't know, 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:58.280 it's just he isn't. He doesn't damage. He isn't damaged 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:01.400 the way she's damaged. And I think that she can 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:05.000 relate to because Rory has some damage. I mean, she's 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:08.760 she covers it well. She you know, she's self analytical, 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:13.440 she's very bright. She understands what her issues are, and 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:16.679 she probably resolved them a lot of them on her 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:19.360 own or just with conversations with Laurel. I right, because 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:23.640 they're they're they're highly psychological couple. I mean they're highly aware. 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:27.480 Um uh. And I think I think she has that 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:30.760 in common with Jess. I think that the hurt and 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:32.760 the pain that he feels is the same hurt and 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.440 from the rejection his mother rejecting him is the same 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:38.880 thing that Rory probably felt with Christopher when when you 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:41.760 know they he decided to go off to California or 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:43.920 wherever he went, you know what I mean. I mean, 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:46.640 she didn't have a father that lives That leaves a 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:50.480 huge hole in your life. Um, and I think, you know, 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:53.640 that's what hit me so deeply in this episode. There's 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:55.280 a couple of things that was The first thing is like, 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:59.600 is knowing the pain of being rejected by a parent 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:03.319 is is searing and it's deep. And I think it's 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:05.960 how they're connecting. I think, whether they know it or not, 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:12.680 that's it. That's the glue and that's why it's gonna work. Yeah. Interesting. 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:14.120 I mean we even get a little glimpse of that 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:17.920 with the discussion about Christopher in this episode from the 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:20.920 very beginning when he calls lor Lae and then you know, 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:24.400 Loraa gets upset and even Rory isn't willing to say, yeah, 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:26.600 I want to go. She's like, I don't know if 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:31.200 I want to go, but it was nice to be invited. Yeah. 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:34.240 So the damage is there, you're right, Yeah, I mean, 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:38.120 as as flawless as we want to consider Rory to be, 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:42.640 you know, and as emotionally mature as she is in 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:48.080 most aspects of life, um, there's damage there. And that's 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:51.040 what's so compelling to watch about Laurela too. She's she's 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:55.760 really damaged and it makes people fascinating. And even how 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:58.640 she had that outburst saying I don't want you to go. 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:02.440 I don't want you ago, I don't want you to 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:07.440 be with someone else and not me. And it's perfect, Yeah, 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:11.480 it's right. It's perfectly understandable because what right does he have. 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:15.559 You know, he just abandoned his kid. You know, he 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:19.040 made a choice, right, right he did. I mean it 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:24.920 was on him, I guess probably, but right. But still, 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:27.240 I mean, you know, you gotta stand by your kid, 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:30.080 for God's sake. You can't just abandon your kid. And 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:32.760 he did. And then he shows up, you know, and 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:34.720 it's like, but he you know, he approached lure alife 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.199 very carefully. He's very respectful. I understand if you say 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:39.560 no the whole thing, you know, so we don't hate 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:43.600 the character. But it's like Pal on the holiday. You're right, 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.920 you're really right about that because you do like Christopher, 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:49.360 you do. But it was a little kind of I mean, 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:52.360 I can't judge him for that. That's his kid. He 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:54.720 wants to see her on the holiday. But it's like, dude, 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:59.400 don't take her away from her mom on the holidays. 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:06.079 You absconded. Really, it's like, you know, maybe come to 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:08.840 Stars Hollow, get a room at the end with your 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:13.200 girlfriend and be available for some lunches and dinners. Okay, 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:14.920 there's a way to handle that. If you want to 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:18.840 be with your daughter, don't put people out that you 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:22.560 ran away from. Just go make it work. Yeah, I'll 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.360 tell you. You know, me as a life coach for Christopher, 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:29.800 I think I could help him. No, I think so, 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:34.480 because it's like he is well intentioned now for sure, 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:40.520 you know so, I think coming back around analyzing Dean, 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:44.199 Dean is sweet. He is a safe choice for her. 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:49.600 He's just not going to what's the word like, like 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:53.480 you can already see Jess and the conversations and Jess 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:55.520 nailed it, like he's not your kind of guy because 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:58.000 I'm going to ask you about literature, and I'm gonna 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:00.920 know about the York and I'm gonna know about this, 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:04.680 and I'm gonna push your buttons in a very similar 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:09.079 way to Luke and Laura line. They don't just give 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:12.840 in to each other. Well, you know, I think Dean 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:17.960 knows that. How you know, forever he's going to be 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:24.960 a notch below Rory uh in i Q and in 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:30.080 you know his reading list. He's not able. He's not 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:35.000 on that level. She's special. She's really special. You know, 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.160 she's on her way to Harvard, for God's sake. I 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:41.480 mean that's just, you know, that's a very you know, 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:43.880 that's a very rare thing. What you know, I think 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:48.079 how many couple thousand get accepted every year. I mean 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:51.680 it's all the applicants. I mean they get applicants and 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:55.959 they're all qualified or like overqualified, every single one of them. 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:59.760 So it's you know, it's just a different level. And 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:02.240 he knows he can't compete on that level. He's that 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:05.680 guy that that loves, loves, loves when he's with them, 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:08.360 but when they're not with him, he's very, very irritable. 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:11.760 He's very nervous, he's insecure. You know, he gets angry. 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:13.959 He wants you know, he really wants to defend his turf, 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:16.320 and it's just like you cannot handle the air up 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:19.840 there is sweetest high. I mean even when Chris says, 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:22.160 can I go play with the horses? Yes, put your 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:25.120 coat on? Like he is so nurturing and sweet and 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:27.920 loving and like always with the goodbye kiss, and he 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:32.640 is like the great choice. It's just you know what, 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:35.160 there's another there's another aspect of Rory that I found 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:38.640 interesting and it was really glaring today in the episode. 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:43.800 She's really aloof She has this aloofness about her that 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:48.560 naturally makes people who are just slightly insecure even that 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:53.440 much more insecure and makes people like je attractive. Yes, 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:58.400 very nailed it, I mean, and Dean is like, I 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:03.840 can't handle this. This girl definitely doesn't love me the 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:08.160 way her because he's nuts about her and she's like 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:10.640 just she's just kind of playing along. I think she 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:14.240 feels something for I'm sure, definitely, but it ain't it 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:17.120 ain't the big you know, it ain't the big love, right, 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:21.200 you can just tell. And she is too, I don't know, 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:25.920 it's sort of unaffected by him and their relationship. So 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:28.840 I think she's just doing it because it's a small 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:32.520 town and and she likes him and he's nice to 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:34.840 her and this kind of thing. But I don't know. 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:42.840 Jessice looking awfully good these days. Yeah, Danielle, what did 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:44.800 you think of all three sleigh rides? We still have 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:46.560 to get to Richard and Emily because I think there's 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:48.840 a lot to talk about there and and just the 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:52.120 cuteness of them and throughout the episode, But daniel what 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:55.400 did you think of the sleigh rocks. I love Lorelei 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:57.880 and Luke's sleigh right. I think that was one of 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:00.560 my favorites that you guys were all cuddle under that 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:03.800 furry little blanket, and it just made me realize, like, 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:06.720 I love them together too. And that's how I felt 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:10.240 about Rory and Jessic's too. You know, when they were together, 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:13.120 I'm like, oh my god, they're so perfect like that 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:15.920 there at each other's league, you know what I mean, 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:19.360 Like they're very much compatible and like the same things 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:21.600 and all that kind of stuff. So with those two 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:24.200 slay right, I was like, uh, duh, there you go. 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:29.120 That's it. Was that your first time really seeing Jess 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:34.480 and Rory have that connection that you liked. Yeah, before 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:36.160 it was kind of like, oh Jess is kind of 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:38.560 like the bad boy, Rory is the good girl, and 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:42.840 they kind of flir, but liked this episode, I was like, oh, 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:46.280 they really have a connection. Well. I think for me 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:49.360 it was when U when he was walking away that 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:53.160 night when they think they just met, you know, that 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:55.400 day or something, or they were introducing, but it was 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:58.000 their first encounter at night. But he was walking towards 0:16:58.000 --> 0:16:59.720 the zebo and he stopped and he turned around and 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:03.880 he the Melville reference. Um, and that was it. That 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:06.119 was it, Ferrory, That's all she needed to hear. I 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:11.600 think you're right. There's something about you know, just that 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:15.960 knowing that somebody is on. You know that somebody's a 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:20.359 reader and they you know, it's just their quality of 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:23.679 life is different, Their expectations are different. What you know, 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:26.760 their their art is different, their culture is different. It's 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:31.800 it's and and once that locks in, boy, that's just 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.480 as the king of totally redeeming himself because just when 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:36.760 you're like, oh he's a jerk, he fixes the toaster, 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:40.680 or you're like not liking him, he jumps in the 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:43.800 sleigh and it's just like so cute and charming and 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:49.439 obviously he destroyed the snowman. And it's like she wasn't 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:53.840 mad about it. Time she's turned right. She would have 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:57.879 been offended by that behavior before, and now she knows, 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:00.960 oh he did it for me. This guy is gonna 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:07.280 do whatever it takes for me. Yes, Yes, it's that violence, 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:13.320 that that streak that turns her on. Yeah, Dean would 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:16.080 never do that, right, He's not gonna do something that 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:20.000 Dean would never do. That she you know, it's it's 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:26.040 it's clear that Rory is beginning to well, let's just 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:27.960 project this into the future a couple of years from 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:30.560 now and Dean and Royer are still together. I think 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:33.560 she's bored out of her mind. I don't think Dean 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:36.159 can keep her interested with all of his devotion and 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:38.879 love and sweetness and kindness and all that stuff, and 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:41.440 then be uptight when a guy looks at her right 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:45.760 that that gets old very quickly, and um, that's the 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:49.720 perfect first boyfriend. But that's it. There's no question, there's 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:54.400 no question. But let's talk about Richard and Emily, because 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:58.000 immediately Richard was in a great mood. And obviously we 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:00.919 find out that it's because you retired. But I thought 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:06.320 their relationship this is one of the first times you realize, Wow, 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:11.560 these two really are meant to be together. Because she 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:16.000 doesn't just take his bleep, do you know what I mean? 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:18.120 She was upset and she speaks her mind to him 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:20.360 that he should have told her, and then he very 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:23.600 communicates why he didn't, and you understand. But it was 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:25.679 the sweetness, like let's go on the roller coaster and 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:29.879 I'll hold your hand, like they are just Grandma and 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:33.200 grandpa cutest ever. You know. Yeah, we get to be 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:37.640 a man and a woman again. I get to love 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:41.080 you again. Let's we can date again, we can feel 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:45.520 young again, and we can get away from all this bs. 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:49.880 You know, I mean leading a life on that level, Um, 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:52.040 it's a lot of fundraiser, it's a lot of friends, 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:53.520 it's a lot of effort, it's a lot of work, 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:55.719 it's a lot of gossip, it's a lot of you know, 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:58.879 it's a it's a lot you know leading. Leading that 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:02.120 kind of life is very very hard work and it's 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:06.480 daily um, and it's all about you know, power, politics 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.480 and socializing and all of that stuff. And they did 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:12.000 it very well for a long time. But man, they're tired. 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:19.159 You know. Yeah, it's solidified, like because they've they've been together, 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:23.840 what at least thirty five years, probably pushing forty years together. Man, 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:26.720 to those two like each other. They love each other 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:30.120 and they're committed, but they like each other, you know. 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:32.080 And it was like so sweet how he's going through 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:34.200 the finances and it's like obviously they have plenty of 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:36.480 money and she's like, don't worry about it, we're good 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:41.720 right well, and they hold hand very romantic, yes, And 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:44.640 but the thing, the thing that was interesting, and it's 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:48.480 been it's been obvious before, but it really became, you know, 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:52.199 neon later letters in this episode is what type of 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:54.840 person Emily was versus what type of person Richard is. 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:59.040 And you know he even said it to Emily. You 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:01.800 you know you like structure, do you like order? You 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:04.760 need to know, you don't like surprises, and you don't 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:06.680 like changes the plans, And that's how you get through 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:10.119 your day. And that bespeaks in my opinion, of somebody 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:14.040 who has experienced trauma, and they hang on to their 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:16.919 structure and they hang onto the list to get them 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:20.040 successful and through the day. First really it's really just 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:22.960 about getting through the day because they want to get 0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:25.600 away from the chaos they experienced when they were children 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:27.720 or however they grew up, or in their first marriage 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:29.920 or their second marriage or the third marriage. They don't 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:34.560 want chaos anymore. They don't want to like, they want 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:40.760 to predictable, quantifiable pieces of time to do that, and 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:43.040 then they'll do that at that time, and then they'll 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:48.320 do that, and that's how Emily keeps control. Yeah, that's 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:51.359 really interesting talking about that god that's making me spin 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:54.399 a lot of things, because obviously Emily had something that 0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:56.760 made her how she was, which caused the conflict with 0:21:56.840 --> 0:22:00.359 lore Lie. But then the chaos of the pres mincy 0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:02.720 and their daughter leaving at such a young age and 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:05.800 all that, And so you're right, she is trying to 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:08.399 control control, But it's not out of it's not because 0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:10.400 she's a bad person. It's she's not out of evil, 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:13.840 it's not out of ego, it's out of her very survival. 0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:16.720 It's how she approaches her day, it's how she plans things. 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:21.560 She can't handle her daughter being pregnant at sixteen when 0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:24.600 she's going she's on her way to Harvard Princeton r Yale, right, 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:27.040 because she has not thought of it like this at 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:29.160 the very moment. And I think you make a great point. 0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:31.720 And it's just it's just, you know, the machine broke 0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:34.240 down and the the order the then then it was chaos. 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:40.280 Emily doesn't do chaos. It's not in the cards. It's 0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:45.480 you cannot live, you cannot thrive in a chaotic environment. 0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:48.639 And that's what Laurel I brought into their lives. She 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:52.720 exploded their lives. She exploded the order and the structure 0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:57.639 that Emily, but I think you bring up something so 0:22:57.720 --> 0:23:03.240 interesting that it's it's h kurt before the horse tail, 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:06.040 blagging the dog, whatever the saying is. It's like, because 0:23:06.080 --> 0:23:09.800 Emily was so structured and so like even when Richard's like, 0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:13.679 this is wonderful night and Emily says, your dress isn't pressed, 0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:17.119 it's like, it's like Emily did that to Lora La, 0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:20.080 even with good intentions, probably all her life, which made 0:23:20.119 --> 0:23:23.560 the chaos happen when they had the pregnancy. So it's 0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:28.439 almost like, yes, something did happen to Emily before in 0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:31.720 her own childhood that made her be sort of like 0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:36.640 that structured stick. Well, it's just the pressures of maintaining 0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:41.040 a lofty perch in a power dynamic in Hartford at 0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:44.840 the high end of the one the one per centers 0:23:44.960 --> 0:23:47.600 right and the country club and the whole deal. And 0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:50.080 if your clothes aren't pressed, people are going to talk 0:23:50.080 --> 0:23:51.440 behind your back. You know, you know what I mean. 0:23:51.440 --> 0:23:54.800