1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Hotel on Giants 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: dot Com, the Giants Mobile, the Giants Podcast Network. Welcome 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,239 Speaker 1: to the newst edition of the Giants Little Podcast, John 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Smoke with you today's guest. We're joined by the one 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: and only Carl Banks to discuss what the Giants have 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: done this offseason. We thank him for joining us as 7 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: the last second thing I had Chris Carlin lined up 8 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: from ESPN Radio. Carl the Continental bagged on me this morning, 9 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: so now we have Mr Banks instead. Talk about a 10 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: big time upgrade. My friend, how are you? I'm doing good, man, 11 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: I'm doing good. I'm sure. Oh absolutely, Chris is the 12 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: best and and and he'll be joining us in a 13 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. He's he's he's the man. Now. Ironically, Carl, 14 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: you're down in Atlanta while the Hawks will be in 15 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: New York. How about those Necks, Carl, I know, go Knicks, 16 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: Go man. It's just such an exciting time for New 17 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: York basketball, New York sports. Actually it really is. And 18 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: I think the hi level for the Giants is at 19 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: a pretty all time high too. So let's talk about 20 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: that call. Give me your foot view down on what 21 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: the Giants have done. I don't think we've talked since 22 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: the season ended. Well, I think they were methodically putting 23 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: together or completing another part of the plan that Joe 24 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: Judge and and Dave Gentleman, you know, uh laid out 25 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: when they came into when Joe Judge came in together, 26 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: but also with Dave Gentleman just talking about he had 27 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: to get the team younger, they had to get more talent. 28 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: And over the last couple of years, they've done just that. 29 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: And the higher of coach and Judge has been nothing 30 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: short of great in the way that the culture has changed, 31 00:01:55,880 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: the team has responded to him, and they just keep 32 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: adding talent. And you know, with the exception of maybe 33 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: two games, and it's not this is not a consolation, 34 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: if you will, but they you could see they competed 35 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: in every game with the exception of maybe two. So 36 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: it tells you that they're they're they're rounding out um, 37 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: they're getting the right mindsetting, with the right talent base, 38 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: they'll be able to win more than they lose. All right, 39 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: So let's talk about the moves they made this offseason. 40 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 1: Let's start on offense. Carl big topic. Once the season 41 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: ended was to Frankly score more points and to help 42 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones the quarterback. And they brought in and I'll 43 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: throw all three guys into the same pot and you 44 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: can mix it up however you want. They brgan Kenny 45 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: Alladay and Kyle Rudolphin free agency. They draft Cadarius Tony 46 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: And now you look at this group of offensive weapons, Carl, 47 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: I mean it's pretty darn good. Um, you forgot the guy, um, 48 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: what's his name, Kwan Barkley? Oh yeah, back too. Yeah. 49 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: So you talk about weapons, this team will be um 50 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: pretty hard to contend with h in terms of just 51 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: the things in the versatility that they can do on offense. Obviously, 52 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: Gala Day is the type of receiver who makes any 53 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: quarterback more accurate because he has such a big catch radius, um, 54 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: and he relies on his his stress more so than 55 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 1: his pure speed. So he's he's that guy who can 56 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: you know, you put a ball up there, he'll go 57 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: get it. He'll compete for it. Uh. Kyle Rudolph is this. 58 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: I called him the unassuming receiving tight end because you 59 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: look at him and you're saying, okay, well, yeah, he's 60 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: not gonna run by anybody. He's not gonna do a 61 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: lot of things. He's more of a blocker, but he 62 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: just makes one spectacular catch after the next in the zone, 63 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: and he makes them in key situation. So you have 64 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: that um. Cadarius Tony is a kid that will factor 65 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: in UM to this offense in some capacity. You know, 66 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: he's a rookie, so there's gonna be a ramp up period, right. 67 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: But then you have Darius Clayton, who in my opinion, 68 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: will have a breakout year this year. And then we 69 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: have Evan Ingram. Are you scared yet, John, because I'm 70 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: just listened. And then they're Sterling Shepherd. So there are 71 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: just so many different things offensively that will present challenges 72 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 1: to an opposing defensive coordinator. And the one thing that 73 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: we do know is that this offensive coaching staff uh 74 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: met by Jason Garrett, they're not afraid to try different combinations, 75 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: so that it just it makes them less addictable uh 76 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: than than most teams. And so, uh you get excited 77 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: about it, and then you say to yourself, Okay, well 78 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: you know, all that looks good, but somebody's got to 79 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: protect the quarterback. And they didn't make a lot of 80 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: moves um, which tells me that they liked the progression 81 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: of this young group of offensive Lindman Um, they let 82 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: Zeitler go because they felt his replacement was ready to go. So, um, 83 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun to watch, so just from the 84 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: offensive standpoint and the challenges that they will present. And 85 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: you know again, you know, giving Daniel Jones another year 86 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: in a system with the same coordinator is going to 87 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: be important to his his growth or his his continued growth, 88 00:05:55,480 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: but also another you know, having another a year for 89 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: him to really take the next step, which is you know, 90 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: this year the third year, and you give him so 91 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: much to work with, there should be success. I think 92 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: it's scripted for him. No, absolutely, And I think you're right. 93 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: The only thing that you questioned, because I don't think 94 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 1: we know about it because they haven't done it yet, 95 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: is the young offensive line, Carl and when you look 96 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: at a group like this that's so young, Gates first 97 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: year at center, Andrew Thomas first year at left tackle, 98 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: Shane Lemie rookie left guard. You know, the right guard spot, 99 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: we don't know who it's gonna be. It's gonna be 100 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: Will Hernandez, who'll be playing that position for the first time. 101 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: Who knows, Maybe it's one of the vets they brought 102 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: in Matt part competing with Nate Soldier at right tackle. 103 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: When you have that young of a group, how quickly 104 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: can you see improvement? They have a new offensive line 105 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,239 Speaker 1: coach and Rob Sale, where there can be a big 106 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: jump from what they were able to do last year 107 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: to what they're gonna be able to do this year. Well, 108 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: that's where you normally see the appreciable growth. If you're 109 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: off cive line has any talent, it's from year one 110 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: to year two because with offensive lineman and it's it's 111 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: very rare. I mean, some of these guys hit the 112 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: ground running in the NFL, the others by year two 113 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: because they've seen everything that they throw at them and 114 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: they've seen different styles of players. So the game kind 115 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: of slows down for offensive lineman and year two if 116 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: they have any talent and you start to see that, 117 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: things get better. So I assume that this coaching staff 118 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: believe that this group, given all the repetitions that they 119 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: had last year, and they had a lot of reps 120 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: as rookies that year too, uh, will help them turn 121 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: the corner and stabilize the offense for him, just to 122 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: go back on Tony for a moment, I'm not sure, Carl. 123 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: In the time I've been covering the team, I've seen 124 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: a player quite like him on the roster. He's kind 125 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: of like part David Wilson as a return guy, part 126 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: O'Dell as a run after catch guy. But he can 127 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: also kind of you know, run it out of the 128 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: backfield to what are some of the things that they 129 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: can scheme up to get the most out of a 130 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: guy like Tony who's just so dynamic with the ball 131 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: in his hands. Uh, well that's you know, if he 132 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: shows he's up to it as a rookie, I think 133 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: his role is just going to expand. I think that's 134 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: the beautiful part of having a guy like him. And 135 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 1: you know, we've seen Jason Garrett, over his years as 136 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: a coordinator with the Dallas Cowboys, used Cole Beasley in 137 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: a lot of different ways. He had a lot of 138 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: guys that he would use in different um different capacities 139 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: as well as their given position. So um, Coldary as 140 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: Tony could be that guy for all three positions, you know, 141 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:58,479 Speaker 1: backfield guy, schlock guy, uh, move guy, outside guy, returner. 142 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: You know, there's so many things that he could be 143 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: featured in. And then you know, once you have that 144 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: as a threat, you established that your vertical game just 145 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: goes through the roof because you know, guys, we got 146 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: to jump up to stop a bubble screen to a 147 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: guy like him, Yeah, and that will open things up 148 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: everybody else and another guy that does that call you 149 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: mentioned him earlier se kuon Barkley, How quickly do you 150 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: think he can look like old s Kuan? We've seen 151 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: a guy like Adrian Peterson, who I think as a 152 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: raw athlete is probably as similar to se Kwan as 153 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: you can get. But everyone recovers differently from these knee injuries. 154 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: So what do you think expectations should be for him 155 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 1: coming off that a c L. I think it's up 156 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: to him and the Giants coaching staff. I think medical staff. 157 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 1: I think which Kwan he is, you know, one of 158 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: the hardest workers we know, So he's gonna do his 159 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: part and if the knee responds, which you know from 160 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: all the things that we're hearing, um, he's on on 161 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: to open um the season up. So I don't think 162 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: you hold him back. You know, you may put him 163 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: on a you know, account of how many carries he's 164 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: gonna have, but I think we can expect the same 165 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: explosives burst from him that he had prior to injury. Injury. No, 166 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: I agree, Carl. If I don't think on the offense, 167 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: I could get a lot of fan calls saying, oh, 168 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: you got all these weapons, what are you gonna be 169 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: able to do? Open it up? But the way I 170 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: look at it and look, this doesn't mean you can't 171 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: be creative. But I still get the feeling that based 172 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: on what we saw from Jason Garrett in Dallas, the 173 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: way Joe Judge talks about what he wants his team 174 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: to look like, this is still an offense that's gonna 175 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: be run games se kwon first and pass off of that. 176 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: Do you agree with that, Well, let's just say run 177 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: games first. It may not necessarily be they'll get to 178 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: a lot of Again, this is where um, Darius Tony 179 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 1: could factor in run game. He could factor into that. So, 180 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: um they'll find different ways to on the football, Yes, 181 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: and say Kwan Barkley will be featured. But um, I 182 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: think they're going to establish the line of scrimmage. I 183 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: just don't think that they're gonna line up and say, Okay, 184 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: well we are Kansas City East, and we're just gonna 185 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: just chuck it fifty sixty times a game without establishing 186 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: uh an identity up front. And I just think that's 187 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: just not who they are. I agree, And you already 188 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: mentioned Daniel Jones, but if you want to give me 189 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: anything else on him, carled to me, that only helps 190 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: a guy like that, where teams are really overly concerned 191 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: with that rushing attack. With all the play action you 192 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: can run off of that, it really does make it a 193 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: a little bit easier on the quarterback. No, it does. 194 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,359 Speaker 1: And again, John, you know the key is we've highlighted 195 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: all the all of the pretty colors in the crayon box, 196 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 1: right and everything that they can do. But then there's 197 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: the Grays, the Browns, the Blues, the blacks, you know, 198 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: the foundation colors, right though. Are your offensive linemen? Those 199 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: are the guys that you gotta start with first. If 200 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: they are productive, then this offense just booms. I'm with you, hey, 201 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: Giant Fans, Limited Giant season tickets are on sale now 202 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: for the season. In addition the ticket savings, membership benefits 203 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: include access to exclusive events, experiences, pre sales, and more. 204 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: You can lock on your seat starting at just one 205 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: hundred bucks called eight eight n YG or visit Giants 206 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:32,359 Speaker 1: dot com slash tickets for more information. Let's get vaccinated. 207 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: Go to COVID nineteen dot MJ dot gov slash vaccine 208 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: to register. Hey, Giant fans, don't miss that on your 209 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: chance to experience a premiere hospitality experience watching Giant games 210 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: or world class concerts in one as a Giant Sweet partner. 211 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: Limited full season locations are available, or place a deposit 212 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: for individual games called eight eight n y G or 213 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: visit giants dot com slash suits for more information. Alright, 214 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 1: let's jump to the defensive side of the ball. I 215 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: think the addition of a Dorry Jackson Carl really opens 216 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: up the I'll put it this way, gives Patrick Graham 217 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: even more crayon colors in his crayon box to play 218 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: with here on defense, because now he has two cornerbacks 219 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: that have been in the league for a while, have 220 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: proven they can cover man on man, and I feel 221 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: like it just opens up a world of possibilities for 222 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: what he can do in the back end, which then 223 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: opens up some creative stuff you can do with blitz 224 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: is Yeah, So having to two really good corners on 225 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: the outside. Um, a young corner, second year cornerback that's 226 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: playing in the slot, who's really coming into his own Um. 227 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: Thank you do so many different things in just some 228 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: combinations doing it. You can you can count on the 229 00:13:54,920 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: outside guys doing their jobs. The interior of your defensive 230 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: back deal can be a combination of linebacker, hybrid safety, 231 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: you know, three safeties one linebacker. Um, your defensive line 232 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: can take on a lot of different iterations. So yeah, 233 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's you if you're looking at an 234 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: outside in defense, meaning you know, you want to make 235 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: sure that you can shore up the outside, Um at 236 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: the corners. You got that, and then it's okay. So 237 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: we got Leonard Williams and company and Dexter Lawrence and company. 238 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: And then we've got a lot of other skill players 239 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: and you know, standing behind those guys and you can 240 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: do a lot with them. So um, giants fans just 241 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: be excited. You know, one thing we do know about 242 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: Patrick Graham, he can you can call a good defense. Uh, 243 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: and they compete, and I just think just one more 244 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: piece of talent like in the Dory, I mean, yeah, 245 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: Dorry is just the thing that that he likes because 246 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: you can play combination coverages and and give a lot 247 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: of different things to a offense. And then I think 248 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: their safeties are really is what allows them to do 249 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: that to the end the gray because they have three 250 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: guys in Peppers who can play little linebacker, you can 251 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: play safety. You have Logan Ryan who's a former cornerback. 252 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: He's gonna play deep safety. Davy McKinney played nicol at Alabama, 253 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: he can play deep safety, throwing Julian Love who can 254 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: play corner and safety. They got four guys call that 255 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: you can move around as someone that played on multiple 256 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: defense on their Bill Belichick. When you have guys like that, 257 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: it's safety, which is you know what the quarterback a 258 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: lot of time reads right at the snap in terms 259 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: of what the defense is doing. How does that allow 260 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: Graham to disguise and do a bunch of crazy stuff 261 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: to keep offenses and quarterbacks on their heels well, because 262 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: center in the cornerback are normally relied on to read 263 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: whatever their keys is going to be UM and when 264 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: the personnel changes, but the coverage is the same or 265 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: the coverage UM is is different than what they thought 266 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: it would be. It involves more people and creates a 267 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: greater risk for an offense to make a mistake because 268 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: when you just have people that are in a personnel 269 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: grouping and you can try to anticipate what it's going 270 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: to be, and they have guys that do multiple things, 271 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: it's just hard to anticipate it. The Giants that draft 272 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: two defensive players, call is These Ogilari, the pass rusher 273 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: out of Georgia steal in the second round. Also Aaron Robinson, 274 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: the nickel cornerback who presumably would compete with Darnay Holmes. 275 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: Your thoughts on those two guys and what they might 276 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: add to the defense. Well, old gillari Um, if we 277 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: go by what has been um written pre drafted now 278 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: post draft, that he was one of the higher rated 279 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 1: defensive linemen pass rushers in this draft. So, UM, I 280 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 1: think he's gonna pay immediate dividends because you can always 281 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: have him in as a role player. Um, your your 282 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: second tick on defense. He's gonna compete, but he's gonna 283 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: also have to be a special team's contributor as well. Um. 284 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: And then again, let's not discount like some of the 285 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: players who said the Giants have coming back in in 286 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: you know, um, Marenzo Carter, um X Man is coming back. 287 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: So both of those guys were you know, Extra is 288 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: still progressing. He didn't get he didn't have to deal 289 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 1: with the injury like Lorenzo Carter. But these two guys too, 290 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: are on track to be big contributors for the Giant's defense. 291 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: A guy like Carter, Carl you know, you play edge, 292 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: You've got a lot of in that three point stand 293 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: sometimes and burst and you know, explode off of your life. 294 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: He's coming off an Achilles injury. What how much do 295 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: you think? It's kind of a similar question I asked 296 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: about Quan right, how much can we expect from Carter 297 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 1: this year given what he's coming back from. Well, the advancements, man, 298 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: Like you know, years ago, if you had an achilles, 299 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: it was just like, well you got to find another 300 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: position because you can't play a skill position once you've 301 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: done that. Well, we've seen running backs, we've seen cornerbacks, 302 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: we've seen linebackers come back and be super productive off 303 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: of that injury. So, um, it's a wait and see approach. Um. 304 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,959 Speaker 1: But you know, the rehab is so much more aggressive 305 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: these days than they were in the nineties. Even so, 306 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: and you're starting to see that, you know, guys like 307 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: Richard Sherman, who played a position that would be pretty 308 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: much prohibited, uh to return from from that injury, and 309 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: he's he's been playing at a higher level. So we'll 310 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: see what can Giant fans expect from a Leonard Williams 311 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: en core and from Dexter Lawrence. With Dalvin Thomlinson no 312 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 1: longer on the roster, I don't think you're gonna see 313 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: Leonard Williams drop off one single bit, especially with Dexter 314 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: Lawrence on that same defensive line, because that's gonna you know, 315 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: you just can't double team, uh, Lennon Williams and expect 316 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 1: that Dexter Lawrence is not going to have a lot 317 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: of success. And they they have a good core of guys, 318 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 1: and you know you are we're talking about in Leonard 319 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 1: Williams the number one interior alignment. Uh that that was 320 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: in cree Acency this year. So if you want to 321 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: talk about a great get, is a Giant's ability to 322 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: retain him because on everybody's board, they had the number 323 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: one and number two interior alignment, so they kept the 324 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 1: top guy, all right, Carl, final question, given what the 325 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: NFC East looks like, is there any reason not to 326 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: think that the Giants should be right in the mix 327 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: with a chance to win this division title at the 328 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: end of the season. Obviously, injuries, you can't control any 329 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: of that. So putting that aside, and I'm I'm not 330 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: talking you know seven and ten win the division. I'm 331 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 1: talking you know, being that nine ten win zone where 332 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: you're competing with Dallas, Billy Washington and really you're in 333 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 1: it until those final weeks. Yes, Um, to answer your question, yes, 334 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: they they You should expect that. You know. The interesting 335 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: thing is that when we hear the narrative and I'm 336 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: glad that the Giants aren't like Crown the preseason UH 337 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: predestined uh champion of the NFCS. But you know what, 338 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 1: when people keep saying, well, Washington is the best team 339 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: in NFC East, Um, somebody needs to remind him that 340 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 1: the Giants frump him last year both games. So you 341 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: can say because they wanted the conference because of whatever 342 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: the circumstances were in that Philadelphia game. But if they are, 343 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 1: if they are kind of the the bar, if you will, 344 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: then the Giants can feel pretty confident that they can 345 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: they can play and win against the Washington Football Carl, 346 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: stay safe on your trip, my friend, go next and 347 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: we'll talk to Thank you. That's Carl Banks, our guest 348 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: on the Giant Huttle Podcast. We thank him so much 349 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: for pinch hitting for Chris Carling today and again. Chris 350 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: will join us in a couple of weeks when I 351 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: get back from my trip or according this obviously before 352 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: I leave for Iowa, so last Friday. So that's why 353 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: I can't, you know, talk about whether the Knicks and 354 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: Hawks are tied to two or whatever whenever this is airing. 355 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: But um so that's Carl's take. I had not really 356 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: talked to him in detail since the draft, at least 357 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: not on the air, so it's good to get his 358 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: take on where the Giants are with free agency and 359 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: the draft and where they're heading. And much like what 360 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: we've talked about on Big Blue Kick Off Live, Carl 361 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: is excited about where this team is headed, and so 362 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: are we. They have the talent now, it's just that 363 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,479 Speaker 1: all come together. They gotta stay healthy as the Giants 364 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: head into the season. For Carl Banks, I'm John Schmilk. 365 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: We think up for joining us on the Giant Subtle 366 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: Podcast as you're reminder. You can find The Giant Subtle 367 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: Podcast on all your favorite podcast platforms. If you're on 368 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: Apple Podcast, please save a five store positive review. It's 369 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: also on The Giants Mall Black and The Giants dot 370 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 1: Com slash podcast. For Carl Banks, I am John Schmilk. 371 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for being with us on The Giants Huddle. 372 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: We will see you next time. Everybody, stay safe out there.