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Speaker 1: What do we have, Crystal, Indeed, we do lots to

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Speaker 1: get to this morning. We have updates coming out of Israel.

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Speaker 1: The battles are getting bloodier, and we also have a

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Speaker 1: new look at exactly how Palestinians in Gaza felt about

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Speaker 1: Hamas prior to October seventh, and some indications of how

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Speaker 1: support has only grown because of what happened on October

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Speaker 1: seventh and the Israeli reponse. We also have Hunter Biden

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Speaker 1: looks like he's going to be held in contempt, refusing

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Speaker 1: Also, a fascinating report on how a bunch of tech

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Speaker 1: go wrong there? We'll look at that. Sacer's had a

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go on and jump into the news.

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Speaker 1: Put this up on the screen. So the Israeli government

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Speaker 1: we have this report from Wynut Apparently one fifth of

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Speaker 1: Those numbers were far greater than what the IDEA had

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well this is the acknowledged friendly fire, and like

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Speaker 2: Because the initial military operation was a lot of use

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Speaker 2: It just highlights the chaotic nature of urban combat. Also

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Speaker 2: I wanted to highlight this. As well as a battle

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Speaker 2: the ongoing difficulty of what continuing to operate in this

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Speaker 2: the IDF. Whenever you've got a battle which we're about

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Speaker 1: And before I show you that, there is one other

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Speaker 4: Done by Hamas. We're not downplaying that.

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Speaker 4: We're not going to do an investigation.

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Speaker 1: We don't think it would be morally what do they

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Speaker 2: I think they're going to say that now. I think

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Speaker 2: a lot of Israelis are going to want more answers

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Speaker 2: on that. In the quote unquote post war period. Another

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Speaker 2: reason why nets On Yahu is trying his best to

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Speaker 2: get as far away from that as possible. But we've

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Speaker 2: teased the battle, so why don't we go ahead and

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Speaker 2: in which ten IDF soldiers lost their lives, not only

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Speaker 2: And again this is in an area of Gaza which

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Speaker 3: Let's go out and play some of it.

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Speaker 5: Okay, we know.

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Speaker 1: This is footage released by the way, by the idea.

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Speaker 1: But again it gives you some uh, some sense of

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Speaker 1: In this instance, they thought that these buildings had been abandoned,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it again, just to highlight it, it

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Speaker 3: It ended up being an hours long.

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Speaker 2: the nightmare of what actual military occupation is going to be.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's an accident that the deadliest incident

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Speaker 2: And this is what it is rolling going to look

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Speaker 3: And you can't bomb your way out of that one.

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Speaker 2: And this is really what the reality of this type

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Speaker 1: They're at best have killed half, probably a lot fewer

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's what the economist piece really highlights.

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Speaker 2: And so then what's the next day going to look like?

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Speaker 2: Now you're responsible for security, You're responsible for the civilian population.

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Speaker 1: Based on the comments from NATANYAHUO, you know, asking his

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Speaker 3: They're responsible for this.

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Speaker 2: They can come to the scenario now, or they could

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Speaker 1: found them all killed. They were all killed, executed at gunpoint.

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Speaker 1: There was another woman who they spoke with as well,

439
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Speaker 1: who had a similar story about the way that these

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Speaker 1: women and children were killed. She says the Israeli soldiers

441
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Speaker 1: came in and opened fire on them. They took all men,

442
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Speaker 1: then entered classrooms, open fire on a woman and all

443
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Speaker 1: the children with her. The when said there were new

444
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Speaker 1: born children among them. The Israeli soldiers executed those innocent

445
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Speaker 1: families at point blank. So you have the combination of

446
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Speaker 1: eyewitness testimony along with the bodies that were recovered and

447
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Speaker 1: the evidence that they had been killed by bullets versus missiles,

448
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Speaker 1: adding up to you know, a really horrific situation. It's

449
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Speaker 1: not also the first time that there have been accusations

450
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Speaker 1: that Israelis have murdered people execution style, murdered civilians in

451
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Speaker 1: Gaza execution style.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately.

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Speaker 2: You know, this is something that's a very dark period

454
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Speaker 2: of Israeli history in terms of the Kibia massacre involving

455
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Speaker 2: Israeli Sharon. This is very well known amongst a lot

456
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Speaker 2: of Palestinians, and I think it also just highlights the

457
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Speaker 2: need for independent reporting and you know, un organizations others,

458
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Speaker 2: you know, just like we allowed actually during the invasion

459
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Speaker 2: of Iraq, in order to make sure that incidents like

460
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Speaker 2: this don't happen or they're investigated properly. The IDF actually,

461
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Speaker 2: as far as I understand, Crystal has not addressed what's

462
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Speaker 2: happened here, so.

463
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Speaker 3: Obviously they need to give an explanation.

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Speaker 2: I'm and look at you know, it's possible somebody else did,

465
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Speaker 2: I guess, But if they're going to be responsible for it,

466
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Speaker 2: then they need to actually come forward with some sort

467
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Speaker 2: of explanation as to what this was. And I just

468
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Speaker 2: think it's an independent reviews types of scenario. Desperate for

469
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Speaker 2: what we need one thing to highlight, just for everybody

470
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Speaker 2: to watch out for. Is Apparently CNN was able to

471
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Speaker 2: get a camera insteade of Gaza. They're they're gonna air

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Speaker 2: Crystal some of their footage later today. I'm actually very

473
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Speaker 2: anxious to see it. It's the first Western footage that

474
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Speaker 2: will come out of Gaza which has not been censored

475
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Speaker 2: by the IDF because she went in this Clarista Award

476
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Speaker 2: who was there at the fall of Kabble and Afghanistan.

477
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Speaker 2: She went in actually with an Amarati medical team and

478
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Speaker 2: there was no censorship. She was also on the ground

479
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Speaker 2: in some of the areas for She was also on

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Speaker 2: the ground in some of the areas for hospitals, etc.

481
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Speaker 2: So this is exactly why we need people on the

482
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Speaker 2: ground to be able to investigate scenarios like this.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Okay, so let's ask the question, then, what is

484
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Speaker 1: all of this brutality actually gaining Israel and how do

485
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Speaker 1: Palestinians in.

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Speaker 4: Gaza at least, how did they feel.

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Speaker 1: About Hamas Because we've also had you know, numerous Israeli pundits,

488
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Speaker 1: officials American politicians claiming there are no innocent Palestinians in

489
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Speaker 1: Gaza because they all support Hamas well, that is really

490
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Speaker 1: not the case. Let's put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: This polling is fascinating to me. So this survey was

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Speaker 1: in the field right up until October seventh. It just

493
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Speaker 1: happened that you had this air Barometer poll where they

494
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Speaker 1: do in person surveys, in the field right up until

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Speaker 1: October seventh. Okay, So, first of all, how much trust

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Speaker 1: do you have in the Hamas led government? The top

497
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Speaker 1: response by far among all age groups. More, you know,

498
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Speaker 1: overwhelming plurality of roughly forty five percent say none at all,

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Speaker 1: no trust whatsoever in the Hamas led government. All right,

500
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Speaker 1: let's go to the next one. How responsive do you

501
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Speaker 1: feel like the Hamas led government is to what people want? Again,

502
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Speaker 1: overwhelming plurality say, not very responsive at all, so not

503
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Speaker 1: exactly glowing reviews there. And the second highest response was

504
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Speaker 1: not responsive at all. So not very and not at

505
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Speaker 1: all were the two highest responses all right, let's go

506
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Speaker 1: ahead to the next one. What do you think is

507
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Speaker 1: the most effective way to have a say here to

508
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Speaker 1: be able to influence a mas led government decision. The

509
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Speaker 1: number one answer nothing is effective nothing. The second highest

510
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Speaker 1: answer is working through personal connections, so basically corruption direction. Okay,

511
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Speaker 1: so that's really interesting, very dim views of Hamas. There

512
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Speaker 1: was a huge sense seventy eight percent had said that

513
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Speaker 1: the availability of food was a moderate or severe problem

514
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Speaker 1: in Gaza. Now you might think that perhaps that's, you know,

515
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Speaker 1: they would blame the Israeli government and their blockade, which

516
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Speaker 1: certainly takes you know, deserves quite a bit of the

517
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Speaker 1: blame for that state of affairs. But actually the largest

518
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Speaker 1: number said that they blamed the Hamas led government for

519
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Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, just on a basic like

520
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Speaker 1: how am I doing, how's my family doing? Am I

521
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Speaker 1: able to get enough to eat? The Hamas took most

522
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Speaker 1: of the blame in terms of who they were pointing

523
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Speaker 1: a finger at. I thought this was interesting too. So Hamas,

524
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Speaker 1: of course they say their goal is to destroy the

525
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Speaker 1: Israeli state. Majority of survey respondents the favor of two

526
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Speaker 1: state solutions, so there are at odds even with political

527
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Speaker 1: goals and here what you say, what you see is

528
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Speaker 1: which party of any do you feel closest to Fatah,

529
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Speaker 1: which dominates the Palestinian Authority, which quote unquote runs the

530
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Speaker 1: West Bank, or Hamas, and Hamas actually wins out. They

531
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Speaker 1: also asked in a theoretical presidential election where you had

532
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Speaker 1: the head of Hamas versus the head of the Palestinian

533
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Speaker 1: Authority versus Marwan Barghuti, who's an imprisoned member of the

534
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Speaker 1: Central Committee of Fatah, actually only twenty four percent, so

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Speaker 1: that they would vote for the Hamas leader. Barguti received

536
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Speaker 1: the largest share at thirty two percent. He's again that

537
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Speaker 1: imprisoned activist, and Mahmudabas, the head of the PA, received

538
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Speaker 1: twelve percent, So they were not too impressed with Hamas

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Speaker 1: as a governing authority. But Sager, there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of signs. You know, at this point, you can't pull

541
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Speaker 1: Gaza because there's not on going war and no one

542
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Speaker 1: can get in there. But there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: signs that support for Hamas has actually dramatically increased because

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Speaker 1: of the brutality of the Israeli crackdown, and that is

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Speaker 1: consistent with history. You know, if you look at the

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Speaker 1: polling and that's one of the things that they talk

547
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Speaker 1: about in this piece. If you look at polling over time,

548
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Speaker 1: it's almost a one to one relationship. The harsher the

549
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Speaker 1: conditions imposed by the Israelis or the more brutal attacks

550
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Speaker 1: that are being waged, the higher the support for the

551
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Speaker 1: more militant terrorist organizations when there seems like there's some

552
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Speaker 1: actual path to peace and prosperity through nonviolent means. Lo

553
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Speaker 1: and behold support for militant groups like Hamasti creases. It

554
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Speaker 1: doesn't take rocket scientists.

555
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Speaker 3: No, it's not.

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Speaker 2: And we have a lot of historical precedent we can

557
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Speaker 2: talk about here. You know, I'll turn to Vietnam. We've

558
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Speaker 2: been talking about it a lot here. You know, the

559
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Speaker 2: Communists were not popular. There were a million, a lot

560
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 2: of people who fled the north to the South because

561
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Speaker 2: they didn't want to live under communism. But after the

562
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Speaker 2: sustained bombing campaigns and the corruption of the South Vietnamese

563
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Speaker 2: government and all that became to be more evident. Even

564
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Speaker 2: though people didn't necessarily want to live under communism, you

565
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Speaker 2: were able to basically mesh together like a communist and

566
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Speaker 2: nationalist philosophy for why you should support the VC and

567
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Speaker 2: the NBA against the American invader and the foreign puppets.

568
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Speaker 2: So even though they inherently prior to foreign intervention actually

569
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Speaker 2: very likely it looked like they could have been defeated,

570
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Speaker 2: it was actually American intervention itself, and the strength of

571
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Speaker 2: it made it such that it actually ballooned their ranks

572
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Speaker 2: and made them even more popular.

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Speaker 3: There was also a line in here that really struck

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Speaker 3: out to me.

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Speaker 2: Quote Hamas led government may be uninterested in peace, but

576
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Speaker 2: it is empirically wrong for Israeli political leaders to accuse

577
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Speaker 2: all Gosins of the same. In fact, most Gosins are

578
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Speaker 2: open to a permanent and a peaceful solution to the

579
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Speaker 2: Israeli Palestinian conflict. Yet the views of the people who

580
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Speaker 2: live in Gaza are often misrepresented in public discourse, even

581
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Speaker 2: as surveys such as Arab Barometer consistently show how different

582
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Speaker 2: these narratives are from reality. I would also say this

583
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Speaker 2: is exactly why from a strategic perspective, this made a

584
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Speaker 2: lot of sense for Hamas, where you've only got fifty

585
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Speaker 2: percent of the population are spoiled, so that support you

586
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 2: between you and Palestinian and Islamic jihad. So what do

587
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Speaker 2: you do you launch a war to not only legitimize

588
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Speaker 2: yourself as the only fighting actor against the Israelis, but

589
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Speaker 2: then you use the response to say, we're the only

590
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Speaker 2: ones for standing up, and that's why you've got to

591
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Speaker 2: support me. Again, very very similar to the way that

592
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Speaker 2: the Vietcong and others operated in the Vietnam War. So

593
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Speaker 2: and this ultimately there were the victors got to study

594
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Speaker 2: what exactly made them effective. And I think on the

595
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 2: way that this fight now continues and how that all

596
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Speaker 2: looks for the center of gravity of that population, who

597
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Speaker 2: they support, what they support, what they look like as legitimate.

598
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Speaker 2: I really see this polling as a tragedy to just

599
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Speaker 2: say that so many of the people who lived under

600
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Speaker 2: their rule, and this is so obvious. As usual, most

601
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Speaker 2: human beings are human beings. They just want to live

602
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Speaker 2: in peace, They want enough food to eat, and they

603
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Speaker 2: don't want to live in a corrupt government where they

604
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Speaker 2: have to pay somebody so that they can send their

605
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Speaker 2: kid to college. That sucks no matter where you are

606
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Speaker 2: and no matter what religion you are. So obviously they

607
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Speaker 2: didn't like it. Now that doesn't mean that they're pro Israel,

608
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Speaker 2: let's be clear about that. But they're pro something a

609
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Speaker 2: little bit different. And this is another reason too, why

610
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Speaker 2: the Israeli strategy of propping up Hamas was very important

611
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Speaker 2: to them, because I actually think they knew that this

612
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Speaker 2: was real, and that one of the reasons why they

613
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Speaker 2: want to continue those Katari cash injections is we got

614
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Speaker 2: to keep Hamas up there because actually there's a whole

615
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Speaker 2: lot of palest Indians who would accept something very different,

616
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Speaker 2: but that would be very inconvenient for the right right

617
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Speaker 2: wing government and coalition inside. Now, obviously it's way past

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Speaker 2: October seventh. Who the hell knows for this poll, you

619
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Speaker 2: know stands right now. A lot of these people could

620
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Speaker 2: be dead, that's another question. A lot of the moderates

621
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Speaker 2: and all those other folks who definitely did not support

622
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Speaker 2: a Moss from day one, they could be gone. And

623
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Speaker 2: now what you have more of a literate population, people

624
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Speaker 2: who've lived through war, and we know how that looks

625
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Speaker 2: like throughout history too.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and there are legitimate questions over whether israel Is

627
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Speaker 1: is intentionally targeting that potential nonviolent, more moderate leadership class

628
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Speaker 1: that the intellectuals, the doctors, you know. I did a

629
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Speaker 1: whole monologue on this earlier in the week with that

630
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Speaker 1: poet Rafat, who was assassinated. There's really no doubt that

631
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Speaker 1: there's an investigation that was conducted by a human rights

632
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Speaker 1: organization that found, you know, they directly targeted specifically the

633
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Speaker 1: apartment that he was in with his sister, killing him

634
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Speaker 1: and other family members. He had received death threats from

635
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Speaker 1: the Israeli government multiple times, so he was very definitely

636
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Speaker 1: directly targeted, this poet. And there's been a massive loss

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Speaker 1: of intellectuals and thought leaders within the Gaza population from

638
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Speaker 1: this war. So I think is a very open question

639
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Speaker 1: whether Israel is directly intentionally targeting them for exactly this reason.

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Speaker 1: Let's go and put this next piece up on the

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Speaker 1: strands of fascinating and report from the BBC. They interviewed

642
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Speaker 1: a number of political scientists in the West Bank and

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Speaker 1: they also have some numbers to back up what we've

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Speaker 1: discussed before, which is that support for Hamas in the

645
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Speaker 1: West Bank. We don't know in Gaza, but in the

646
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Speaker 1: West Bank has been skyrocketing. One political scientist described the

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Speaker 1: October seventh attacks as a turning point for Palestinians just

648
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Speaker 1: as they were a shocking turning point for Israelis that

649
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Speaker 1: political scientist said, the people, especially in the new generation,

650
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Speaker 1: are backing Hamas now more than at any other moment.

651
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Speaker 1: He told me, in the previous thirty years, there were

652
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Speaker 1: no models, no idols for.

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Speaker 4: The new generation.

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Speaker 1: Now they see there is something different, a different story

655
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Speaker 1: is being created.

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Speaker 4: And this was really pretty extraordinary.

657
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Speaker 1: As well, because obviously Fetad and Hamas have been bitter

658
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Speaker 1: enemy for years as well. But this political scientist theorizes

659
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Speaker 1: that both Fatah and Hamas are well aware they're complementary

660
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Speaker 1: to each other, and I think we'll see real integration

661
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Speaker 1: between the two movements. This is the greatest fear of

662
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Speaker 1: you know, BB Netanyahu and others who are like minded.

663
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Speaker 1: They don't want to see any sort of Palestinian unified front.

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Speaker 1: It's a divide and conquer strategy, and it's also elevating

665
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Speaker 1: the extremists, so you can say, hey, I've got no

666
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Speaker 1: partner for peace, even as a majority Palestinians in Gaza

667
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: say we want a two state solution, and even as

668
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Speaker 1: he and his government are very clear about how they

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Speaker 1: do not want a peaceful two state solution. We'll get

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Speaker 1: to that in just a moment. One of these political

671
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Speaker 1: scientists goes on to say, the Palestinian authority realize targeting

672
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Speaker 1: Hamas would not eradicate it because it's an ideological movement

673
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Speaker 1: rooted within the Palestinian people. In Hamas is fully aware

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Speaker 1: it cannot establish an independent Palestinian state without the help

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Speaker 1: of Fatas, So that's why he's arguing that they realize

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Speaker 1: that they need each other.

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Speaker 4: But you know they track here. How there has.

678
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Speaker 1: Been a real change in viewpoint among the Palestinian population. Again,

679
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Speaker 1: this is in the West Bank, not Gaza. Could be

680
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Speaker 1: totally different, but I think there are probably some similarities here.

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Speaker 4: And remember in the West Bank.

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Speaker 1: The brutality of what's unfolding there is nothing like, of

683
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Speaker 1: course what's unfolding in Gaza. But there has also been

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Speaker 1: a lot of violence there. More than two hundred Palestinians

685
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Speaker 1: have been killed since October seventh in the West Bank

686
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Speaker 1: as well, you know, partly at the hands of the IDF,

687
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Speaker 1: partly at the hands of these extremist settlers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't know. You know, it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: Actually something just came across my radar because you had

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Speaker 2: a top Hamas official actually who just did an interview

691
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Speaker 2: with all monitor and which he suggested that the group

692
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Speaker 2: would quote adhere to the PLO organization stance on Israel

693
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Speaker 2: aka floating Israeli recognition. You can read that two ways.

694
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Speaker 2: One is that their quote unquote suing for peace. I

695
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Speaker 2: would rate it very much like you are, Crystal, is

696
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Speaker 2: that they're trying to become the legitimate successor for whatever

697
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 2: this post movement is going to look like, both for

698
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Speaker 2: the West Bank and for Gaza. Yeah, and when you

699
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Speaker 2: read comments like that, I would put it very much

700
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Speaker 2: as they are recognizing their political hold here on power

701
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,959
Speaker 2: and what the next step for them may look like

702
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 2: for but not only to survive, but also to become

703
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Speaker 2: the genuine governing authorities. So actually, you know, I think

704
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: you can really look at that polling in some of

705
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: the now increase for support Hamas in the West Bank

706
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 2: really is a tragedy to say that while the Palestinian

707
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: authority itself was corrupt, the ideas which they were built upon,

708
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Speaker 2: which was palestine an identity, not nonviolent resistance, I guess

709
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 2: per se, but at least post OSLO some sort of

710
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Speaker 2: cooperation to state scenario that was a relative majoritarian position

711
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: amongst a lot of Palestinians. But it was the extremists

712
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: really who tried to overthrow it, and they may actually

713
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Speaker 2: set it back by I mean, who knows, not even decades.

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Speaker 3: I would say, you know, maybe a century something like that.

715
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Speaker 1: Extremists in the on the Palestinian side and extremists on

716
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: the Israeli side basically teamed up, not directly, but in

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Speaker 1: a manner of speaking to derail any sort of a

718
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Speaker 1: peace process.

719
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Speaker 4: And it worked.

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Speaker 3: It did work.

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Speaker 1: They worked, they won, you know, and now here we

722
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Speaker 1: are where we are today. To go back to you

723
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Speaker 1: while let's talk about some of those extremists now they

724
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Speaker 1: run the Israeli government.

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Speaker 4: This is an interview with the Israelian with an.

726
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: Israeli ambassador on Sky News where she's being pressed over okay,

727
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Speaker 1: you know, you all say there's no partner for peace

728
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: on the Palestine.

729
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 4: He's like, do you all want a two state solution?

730
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Speaker 4: Take a listen to.

731
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Speaker 3: Us state solution. There's still a chance for a two

732
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Speaker 3: state solutions.

733
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Speaker 6: I think it's about time for the world to realize

734
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Speaker 6: the old's look power that I'm failed on the seventh

735
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Speaker 6: of October, and we need to build a new one.

736
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Speaker 6: And in order to build the.

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Speaker 3: News that new one, include the Palestinians living in a

738
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Speaker 3: state of their own.

739
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Speaker 6: The biggest question is what type of Palestinians are. The

740
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Speaker 6: other side is what Israeli state? The answer is absolutely

741
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 6: no one. I'll tell you why. Well, then the moment,

742
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Speaker 6: the reason there is no is because the Palestine.

743
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 3: Without offering mark state to Palestine.

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Speaker 6: How can the Israel knows today and the world should

745
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 6: know now. The reason the Oslo courts failed is because

746
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Speaker 6: the Palestinians never wanted to have a state next to Israel.

747
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Speaker 6: They want to have a state from the river to

748
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Speaker 6: the sea. So why are you obsessed with a formula

749
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 6: that never worked, that created this radical people in the

750
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Speaker 6: other side? Why are you obsessed with that?

751
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Speaker 1: So she says to a two state solution, absolutely not.

752
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Speaker 1: This is not surprising. I mean, this has been the

753
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Speaker 1: position of Natanyahu, the Luquid Party, certainly his extremists coalition

754
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: partners for years. These are people who've been opposed to

755
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: OSLO from the beginning of OSLO, for literally decades. But

756
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: to have it so out there, brazenly stated no hedging

757
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: in the open is extraordinary for a number of reasons.

758
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Speaker 1: I mean, it blows up one of the central myths

759
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,959
Speaker 1: in American politics about what's unfolding in Israel, where it's

760
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: all the problems are on the Palestinian side. There's no

761
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: partner for peace there, Joe Bidena said, his stated his

762
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 1: key stated objective with regard to Israel Palestine is ultimately

763
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: to get to a two state solution. And here you

764
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: have the government that you're supporting unconditionally and shipping arms

765
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: to and whatever, and pretending like this is on the table,

766
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 1: saying absolutely not. Your key foreign policy priority is one

767
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: hundred percent off the table.

768
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Speaker 4: We have zero interest in it. We will do whatever

769
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 4: we can to block it.

770
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would know too. It's not just the Biden administration.

771
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 2: This has been US policy basically since nineteen sixty seven

772
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: or since the Oslo courts especially, but also has always

773
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: been the legitimate, at least political aim of the US

774
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 2: State Department. Even under the Trump administration, they never abandoned this,

775
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 2: even though they might have done it in practice. So,

776
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's extraordinary crystal because we don't

777
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 2: hear it in English. We can hear it in Hebrew.

778
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: And I don't know why it's different, but it is

779
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 2: just different. Whenever you have to hit Google Translate versus

780
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: when you see somebody on Sky News. Who's a representative

781
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 2: of that government? But I think it's it. Look, the

782
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: Biden administration too has to grapple with this of you

783
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: keep saying you want X, they say they don't actually

784
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 2: want that. So what are we doing here? What is

785
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 2: the actual political end? And how exactly do you come

786
00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 2: to that? Part of the reason why I think they

787
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 2: want the Israelis to wrap up their campaign.

788
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 3: But I mean that's not going to do anything.

789
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: You could stop the military campaign tomorrow, you could even

790
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 2: have a quote unquote cease fire. The political end is

791
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 2: the one that we've all been working towards, supposedly for

792
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 2: fifty years. It's like, well, now, what are we going

793
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 2: to do?

794
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 7: Well?

795
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: The other thing is, even if you take the governments

796
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: out of it, take Amas out of it, take the

797
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: net Yahoo government out of it, and look at the

798
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 1: polling of the populations, you actually have far more support

799
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: for two state solution among Palestinians than you do among Israelis.

800
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 4: At this point. We talked to that pollster Dahlia Shindlin.

801
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: Yes, earlier in the week. I really recommend people go

802
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: and listen to that. She was really really insightful in

803
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: terms of Israeli public opinion. She's a writer for Howard,

804
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: she's a political scientist and a polster. And it's been

805
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: a long time since two state solution has been a

806
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: majority position in Israeli politics. And she said, you know,

807
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 1: it hasn't dropped off of that much during this current war,

808
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: but it's nowhere near majority.

809
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:50,919
Speaker 4: I believe.

810
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: She said, support was somewhere around thirty percent for a

811
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: two state solution, so you actually have more sentiment and

812
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: that you know, that's why these politicians, that's why they

813
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: get elected. The net Yahoo government doesn't just come out

814
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: of nowhere, right, That's why they get elected because there's

815
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: some public support for the positions that they're taking, and

816
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: you know, the idea of okay, we can just maintain

817
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: the status quo forever. This was fairly popular, not just

818
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: on the right but sort of throughout Israeli politics for

819
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: probably since the second Into fought. I would say, if

820
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: I had to pinpoint at a time, but you know,

821
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: look at people who would do this research and don't

822
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: take my word for it on that one. But it's

823
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: been a long time since the two state solutions really

824
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 1: been a majority position in the Israeli public.

825
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 4: It's certainly not now.

826
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: So that's the other that's the other puncture to the

827
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: fantasy that the Biden administration and every other American presidential

828
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: administration has been peddling that there's some ongoing.

829
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 4: Peace process that you've got.

830
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: You know, the Israelis really invested in how can we

831
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: get peace and the Palestinians that are standing in the way.

832
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Speaker 4: At best, it's a lot more complicated than that.

833
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,479
Speaker 2: At the same time, there's a lot of stuff going

834
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Speaker 2: on with Hunter Biden. So yesterday, the House of Representatives

835
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 2: officially has passed an impeachment inquiry into President Biden relating

836
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Speaker 2: to Hunter Biden's business dealings.

837
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Speaker 3: Here is the moment that that happened. On this vote,

838
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Speaker 3: the a's are two twenty one, and then a's are

839
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Speaker 3: two twelve. The resolution is adopted, that objection, the motion

840
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Speaker 3: to reconsider is laid on the table.

841
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Speaker 2: That is an official impeachment inquiry. For those who covered

842
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: the two impeachments, which we did, certainly, the impeachment inquiry

843
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 2: is the predecessor to a formal impeachment. It basically authorizes

844
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Speaker 2: Congress gives them subpoena power to look into and to

845
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Speaker 2: investigate whatever they deem necessary as opposed to what's put

846
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Speaker 2: forward to them in the resolution, and also though came

847
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Speaker 2: at the exact same time that Hunter Biden actually appeared

848
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Speaker 2: publicly on Capitol Hill answering questions of where's Hunter with

849
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Speaker 2: I am right here? He is offering to testify to

850
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Speaker 2: Congress publicly about his business dealings, but refusing to comply

851
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Speaker 2: with a subpoena to investigator to be answer to investigators

852
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Speaker 2: in private.

853
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Speaker 3: Here's what Hunter had to say.

854
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Speaker 8: But I'm also here today to correct how the Maga

855
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 8: wright has portrayed me for their political purposes. For six years,

856
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 8: I have been the target of the unrelenting Trump attack

857
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 8: machine shouting Where's Hunter? Well, here's my answer. I am here.

858
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 8: Let me state as clearly as I can. My father

859
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 8: was not financially involved in my business, not as a

860
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Speaker 8: practicing lawyer, not as a board member of Barisma, not

861
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 8: in my partnership with a Chinese private businessman, not in

862
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 8: my investments at home nor abroad, and certainly not as

863
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 8: an artist by cherry picking lines from a bank statement,

864
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 8: manipulating texts I sent, editing the testimony of my friends

865
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Speaker 8: and former business partners, and misstating personal information that was

866
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Speaker 8: stolen from me. There is no fairness or decency in

867
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Speaker 8: what these Republicans are doing. I am here to testify

868
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Speaker 8: at a public hearing today to answer any of the

869
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 8: committee's legitimate questions.

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Speaker 2: So Christal, there's a lot actually going on there. First

871
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: of all, I believe that's the first time he's ever

872
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 2: acknowledged that the Biden laptop is real, because it said

873
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Speaker 2: he said it was stolen from me. Now, first of all,

874
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 2: it wasn't stolen. He was so high on drugs they

875
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 2: forgot that he left laptop.

876
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 4: I thought it bore all the question disinformation.

877
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 3: That's whatever. Now there's a lot going on.

878
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: I do love how he used to list all of

879
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: his shady things, like in my Chinese private equity, in my.

880
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 3: Board membership of Brisma.

881
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 2: Also on the art piece, it just so happened that

882
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 2: what Democratic donors happened to pay top dollar for brand

883
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 2: new artists.

884
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 3: Okay, there's a lot to be said, I think about that.

885
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 2: It does, though, come at the same time that the

886
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 2: House Republicans are now likely to hold Biden in contempt

887
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: the way that the Democrats did for Steve Bannon when

888
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 2: he refused to comply with a subpoena. Here is James

889
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: Comer and Jim Jordan immediately responding to Hunter's statements. Here's

890
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 2: what they had to say on Capitol Hill immediately after to.

891
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 7: Vena and to the President's son, that we expect him

892
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 7: to come.

893
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 3: In and be depotentcided. This is a normal.

894
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 7: Process and an investigation. This has been a serious, credible,

895
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 7: transparent investigation from day one. We've published four bank memorandums,

896
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 7: We've had countless press conferences. This is an investigation about

897
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 7: public corruption at the highest level. We accumulated mountains of

898
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 7: evidence that's concerning to an overwhelming majority of Americans. We

899
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 7: have specific questions in there, and I think we're going

900
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 7: to allow you in there to see the piles and

901
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 7: piles of documents, of bank statements, of emails, of text

902
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 7: messages that we've worked very hard on in this committee

903
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 7: over the last eight or nine months.

904
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 9: Finally, I would say this, mister Biden's counsel and the

905
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 9: White House of both argued that the reason he couldn't

906
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 9: come for a deposition was because there wasn't a formal vote.

907
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 3: For an impeachment inquiry.

908
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 9: Well, that's going to happen in a few hours.

909
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 3: We think it's going to pass.

910
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,280
Speaker 9: We think the House of Representatives will go on record

911
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 9: with the power that solely resides in the House to

912
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 9: say we are in an official impeachment inquiry phase of

913
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 9: our oversight, and when that happens, we'll see what their

914
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 9: excuse is.

915
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 3: Then they should have been here today. But once we

916
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 3: take that vote.

917
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 9: We expect him to come in a for his interview,

918
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 9: for his deposition, and frankly, we'll also, I think, look

919
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 9: at contempt proceedings as we move forward.

920
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: So Crystal, so the beef around public versus private, I

921
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 2: know it sounds nebulous, but yeah, from what I understand

922
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 2: and what I've looked into, the public proceeding will not

923
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: be able to last as long in the way that

924
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 2: the private ones go. So the private ones, as we

925
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: saw with Devin Archer and others, not only are you

926
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: testifying under oath, but you're not just testifying to members

927
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: of Congress.

928
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 3: You're testifying as well.

929
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 2: To investigators, people who are deputized lawyers who work for

930
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: the House of Representatives for the committee, so that it's

931
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,959
Speaker 2: more of like a police proceeding than you would think

932
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 2: of like a public hearing, and in that they would

933
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: go probably nine ten hours in some cases, and they'd

934
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: be like, what about this payment? What about this payment?

935
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: All just under oath and if you lie, of course

936
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 2: you're going to be violating it and you be held

937
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 2: in contempt and charged with that. That is the beef

938
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 2: over that now, in terms of what Comer and Jordan

939
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: are looking into and what they're going with, the latest

940
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: report that I've seen that looks like the most direct

941
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 2: thing that should be looked at was this from just

942
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 2: last week, Hunter Biden's company made direct payments to Joe Biden.

943
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 2: These involved the earnings on Hunter Biden's company that were

944
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 2: then made directly to President Biden. Now this is being

945
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: billed by the Biden team as Hunter having paid him

946
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 2: back for I think it's cars, personal loans, et cetera.

947
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: That's not necessarily illegal, but I'm not sure yet If

948
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 2: the paperwork involves there, then it does, though of course raised.

949
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 3: A question of like, well, what are you doing it for?

950
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 2: I actually think the sketchiest thing and that you weren't

951
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: there whenever I covered this was the main thing that

952
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: the big red flag from Hunter's spending over twenty seventeen

953
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 2: to twenty twenty whenever he was on drugs and all

954
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 2: that was not all of the payments to hookers and

955
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 2: all that, because I was actually itemized.

956
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 3: It was the one.

957
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 2: Point seven Yeah, I also want to say, what is

958
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 2: it difference between hooker's and adult entertainment. I'm still trying

959
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 2: to figure that out, because that's like six hundred grand

960
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 2: whenever you combine that.

961
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 3: But that's a whole other conversation.

962
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 2: Is the one point seven million dollars in ATM withdrawals

963
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 2: of cash cash, and so that's actually the one where

964
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 2: there's most area for inquiry of corruption and who are

965
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: you paying to? As I said at the time, presumably

966
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 2: a large chunk of that went to drug dealers. I

967
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 2: do find it difficult to believe that he was able

968
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 2: to even consume and still be alive one point silvern million.

969
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 3: Dollars worth of drugs, because.

970
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 4: That's an exceptional guy.

971
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 2: Maybe, I mean, he is exceptional in a lot of ways. Anyway,

972
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 2: I'm curious why you think about all this.

973
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: I mean, it's such a mess because listen, obviously, I

974
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: want public officials to be investigated for corruption. I want

975
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: them to be held accountable for corruption. I want there

976
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: to be a much more stringent standard of corruption than

977
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: what the Supreme Court, you know, even counts as corruption.

978
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: At this point, I don't think there's any doubt that

979
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 1: Hunter was trading on the Biden name and his dad's

980
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 1: access to power and insinuating to these various shady characters

981
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: he's doing business with that he could get him extra

982
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: y or z. I mean, why else do you put

983
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 1: Hunter Biden on boards and pay him, you know, invest

984
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,240
Speaker 1: in his funds, et cetera, et cetera.

985
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 4: Why else do you buy his artwork?

986
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: I don't think there's like to me, there's no question

987
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: that there's a very high level of shadiness.

988
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 4: But Republicans have been investigating in this for a year

989
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 4: now and they really haven't come up with much.

990
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: So the other piece of this, you know, on the

991
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: public versus private testament, I understand their perspective that you

992
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: lay down of like, no, we want to go through

993
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: this other process that's behind closed doors, so it's not

994
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: like a circus in the theater, et cetera, et cetera.

995
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: But if you're Hunter Biden, you're also thinking number one,

996
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: there was you know, Steve Bannon, other Trump Trump related

997
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: people who refuse to testify when they were subpoena, so

998
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: the precedent has been set. And number two, if you

999
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: do it behind closed doors, then they can And we've

1000
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: seen this before, including with Devin Archer, selectively leak the

1001
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: parts that may be out of context, may be misleading,

1002
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 1: that they feel are the most damning. Whereas he apparently

1003
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: feels some level of confidence that he's able to testify

1004
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: publicly that it would come out at least okay for him,

1005
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: and it's not a good look for Republicans that they're

1006
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 1: afraid of that It's like, all right, this guy's here,

1007
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: he wants to testify, Like what are you afraid of?

1008
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: If you won't do it behind closed doors, why not

1009
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: take the next best thing with regard to the impeachment investigation,

1010
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 1: You know, I sort of feel similarly, like, first of all,

1011
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: unfortunately I feel like no one really even cares about

1012
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: these impeachment inquiries anymore. This is more a stop to

1013
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 1: the base than any sort of a legitimate fact finding mission.

1014
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: This is impeachment inquiries are now just sort of like

1015
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: a standard issue part of politics. And some of the

1016
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:42,720
Speaker 1: haziness of what this impeachment inquiry is even really about

1017
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: was laid out when one Republican was asking another like,

1018
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: what are actually the high crimes and misdemeanors that we're

1019
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: looking into? And they couldn't just succinctly.

1020
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 4: Define it, So I don't know.

1021
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: I to me, at this point, this is like the

1022
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: least of Joe Biden's worries. And I think Republicans are

1023
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: more performing for their base to show like, no, we're

1024
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 1: not a mess, No we're not a train wreck, we're

1025
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 1: actually getting things done here. Then they are making any

1026
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 1: you know, real like attempts at fighting corruption or even

1027
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: appealing to a broader political base than their constituents.

1028
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,919
Speaker 2: It's definitely an introduce pe issue. It's also a thing

1029
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: of retribution. They did it twice to Trump. You know,

1030
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 2: they did it. They had multiple you know, they leaked

1031
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 2: all the how many times Adam Shift leaked you know,

1032
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 2: Mueller investigation testimony and all that. So they're like, screw them,

1033
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 2: We're going to do the exact same thing back.

1034
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 3: I do agree. I think it's going to be normalized.

1035
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 2: I think it is now basically every president is going

1036
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 2: to have some sort of impeachment degree against them. I

1037
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 2: am not necessarily against it for corruption purposes especially, I'm

1038
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 2: really enjoying getting all the visibility into the first family's finances.

1039
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 3: You're like, oh, that's very interesting.

1040
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 2: We have this going on, the president's brothers being called

1041
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 2: to testify. The more that we normalize like shame against

1042
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 2: trading and openness, I actually think it's a net benefit

1043
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 2: to all of that. So I would like to see

1044
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 2: Hunter Biden testify in some sort, either publicly or privately.

1045
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 2: I absolutely, I mean the tax investigation was incredibly eye opening.

1046
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 2: I'm really glad that the judge stepped in and was like,

1047
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 2: this is too sweetheart of a deal, because the public

1048
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 2: actually does deserve to know about all this cash that

1049
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 2: is being here, About the fact that Beisma changed his

1050
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 2: payroll and cut it in half after Trump was elected

1051
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 2: and Biden no longer had a control of the Ukraine portfolio.

1052
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 2: It's like the most naked thing that you can see

1053
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 2: in all of his financial records. So I think all

1054
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 2: of that should be normalized in terms of this investigation

1055
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 2: all that. Obviously, they don't have a quote smoking gun

1056
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 2: yet the payments that they directly have been able to

1057
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 2: prove so far are either not papered over properly, they

1058
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 2: haven't been able to show. But you know, I don't

1059
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 2: think it's necessarily a bad thing to continue to investigate

1060
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: it now, per se.

1061
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 3: I don't think politically politically it depends.

1062
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 2: There is some polling to indicate that if people had

1063
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 2: been able to get more information about the quote unquote

1064
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 2: hunter Biden laptop, that then they would have been able

1065
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 2: to have they would have made a different choice. I'm

1066
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: not sure how true that actually is, but you never know.

1067
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 2: If they do stumble across something or any of that,

1068
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 2: it becomes a political scandal for the White House. You

1069
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 2: could see a scenario where they would have some impact

1070
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 2: on the election. I don't think it'll be number one,

1071
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 2: especially because Trump is the number two person that other

1072
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 2: people are gonna be weighing up against.

1073
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't know, I'm sure, and it's certainly possible

1074
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: that they come up with, you know, that they're able

1075
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: to find, now that they have these other tools at

1076
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: their disposal, something that's more of a direct link. But

1077
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: you know, I also think the other piece of this

1078
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 1: is because it's been very one sided and because there's

1079
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: been a lot of overreaching and overstatements about what it

1080
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: is that they've identified thus far, any anybody outside of

1081
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: the Republican base is just sort of like dismissing this

1082
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: as a Republican witch hunt and not paying too close

1083
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: attention to, you know, the details here of exactly what's

1084
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: going on. So at this who knows what could develop

1085
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 1: in the future. You never know, But as of today,

1086
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: as I said, I think this is like the least

1087
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: of Joe Bidensbury.

1088
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 2: Well, let's move on to the next part here. This

1089
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 2: is the biggest problem for a lot of people housing.

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00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 2: Every time we cover it, we see a tremendous response,

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Speaker 2: and we want to continue.

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Speaker 3: On that beat.

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00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 2: There's a fascinating and really honestly troubling thing happening as

1094
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 2: housing becomes.

1095
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 3: More and more unaffordable.

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Speaker 2: We've talked about in the past private equity giants coming

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00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 2: and buying single family homes. But the real end state

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00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 2: for this are company towns. So you would have large

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00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 2: industrial employers, just like Henry Ford did, and they had

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Speaker 2: what company can I forget what it's called script or

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00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 2: something like that, that they allowed people to trade inside

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00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 2: of the inside Ford village. You can have forward bucks

1103
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 2: that you can trade different things from. Somehow none of

1104
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 2: it ever ends up into actual money into your bank account. Well,

1105
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 2: the new development of this appears to be Google and

1106
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 2: other big tech companies that are building new housing that

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00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 2: they would then own and make it available for their employees.

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00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: So let's gohe and put this up there on the screen.

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00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 2: This is from Business Inside. It says meet your new landlord, Google.

1110
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 2: And what they lay out here is a huge proposed

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00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 2: development in Mountain View, California, one of the most expensive

1112
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 2: places in.

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00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 3: The entire country.

1114
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 2: There are seven thousand new homes, three distinct neighborhoods, three

1115
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 2: hundred square feet of retail and community community space. None

1116
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 2: of it bears the name Google. But what they say

1117
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 2: is that these corporations are using their considerable sway and

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00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 2: resources to build modern company towns many cities that will

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00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 2: feature all the trappings of traditional civic life, housing, shops,

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00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 2: and public spaces. The projects won't have corporate logos.

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00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 3: On the buildings.

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00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 2: Many of the units will be technically available to the

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00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 2: general public, not just employees, but in the grand scheme

1124
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 2: of real estate, they are distinct. After running up against

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00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 2: the housing shortages, companies like Google, Meta and Disney are

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00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 2: now taking matters into their own hands, and they will

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00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 2: create places that have no names, even technically attached to them,

1128
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 2: Middlefield Park, Willow Village. They could might as well be though,

1129
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 2: called Zucktown or Google Cities. So we have some of

1130
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 2: the quotes. We can put this one up the screen.

1131
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 2: For example, Google's North Bay Shore project. The new community

1132
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 2: will replace a suburban office park with the sprawling new

1133
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 2: neighborhood in the heart of Silicon Valley.

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Speaker 3: Let's go to the next one.

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00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 2: They say that the plan calls, as I said, for

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00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 2: seven thousand new homes across a mix of income levels,

1137
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,919
Speaker 2: as well as parks, restaurant, shops, and more than three

1138
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 2: million square feet of office space on one hundred and

1139
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 2: fifty three acres. Let's go to the Zuckerberg one now, please,

1140
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 2: you can see here from what they quote about Facebook.

1141
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 2: Last year, Menlo Park, which is where Facebook is headquartered,

1142
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 2: voted in favor of a plan for a Facebook fifty

1143
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 2: nine acre project, known affectionately or cynically as Zucktown. It

1144
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: promises seventeen hundred homes as well as office, hotel and retail.

1145
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 2: Now we have one included with Walt Disney, the Walt

1146
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 2: Disney Corporation. They say that Disney World, so this is

1147
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 2: in Florida, plans to break ground next year on fourteen

1148
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 2: hundred affordable housing units across eight many acres, a few

1149
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 2: miles from its flagship theme in Florida, the company said

1150
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 2: in the spring, and the reason that they would be

1151
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 2: doing it is specifically for its employees and temporary housing,

1152
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 2: so crystal, as you can see from what's happening here,

1153
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 2: we've got Walt Disney, we've got Zuckerberg, we've got Google.

1154
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 2: All these people that are moving in and it's actually

1155
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 2: really I think it's terrible for a variety of reasons.

1156
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 2: One is that it makes it so that the employees

1157
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 2: are totally reliant on the company. This was the problem

1158
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 2: with the original company towns. So let's say you're working

1159
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 2: at Google and you've got a new job somewhere else.

1160
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 2: Now you're not just giving up your job, you're getting

1161
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 2: up your house, you're giving up all this other stuff.

1162
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:36,760
Speaker 2: It can become a little bit of a golden prison.

1163
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 2: But that's more for white collar employees. It also makes

1164
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 2: it so that even more of available commercial or sorry,

1165
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 2: available residential real estate is getting zoned to big fortune.

1166
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 2: Five hundred companies are going to use it than to

1167
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 2: their own ends and not allow people to come pick

1168
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 2: and choose as they may for what they would privately

1169
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 2: be able to either lease and or own. So if

1170
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 2: this is the available housing stock and you're going to

1171
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 2: shrink it to what they can own, it's not it's

1172
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 2: not good and it has a bad track record history wise, just.

1173
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: Have a bad track record, and there's a reason for that.

1174
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it really is like everything old is new again.

1175
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: My dad and his side of the family, they're from

1176
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: West Virginia, so I have a lot of and his

1177
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: dad was a coal miner, so I have a lot

1178
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: of familiarity with like the West Virginia mining company towns

1179
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: and same thing. They sort of framed it as this

1180
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: like humanitarian like you know, virtue signaling of oh, we're

1181
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: going to build all this housing and then workers can

1182
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: live so close to their job and you know, we're

1183
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: going to have great school system, et cetera.

1184
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 4: Et cetera.

1185
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: But just think about from your perspective, you want to

1186
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: have your boss in charge of also like where you

1187
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: live and be paying rent to them. Let's say you

1188
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: have a problem with the house, because we're not talking

1189
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: about you owning your home, they own it. You're paying

1190
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 1: rent to them. Let's say you have a problem with

1191
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: the housing. Let's say they you know, aren't fixing the

1192
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: plumbing or some other issue which happens all the time

1193
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: in a you know, landlord renty situation. Are you going

1194
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: to feel confident, you know, raising a fuss about that.

1195
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: So the real goal here for these companies is not altruistic.

1196
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: They're wrapping it in, oh, there's an affordable housing crisis,

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00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: and some of these units are going to be for

1198
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: people who's you know, below median income, et cetera, et cetera.

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00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: The real goal is to have more control over their

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00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: working population and to get butts back in seats in

1201
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: the office after the remote work revolution, and to hopefully

1202
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: turn a buck while they're doing it as well. So

1203
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,959
Speaker 1: it's very troubling, it's very dystopian, and it fits also

1204
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: with the trends of you know, we've talked about the

1205
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: way that permanent capital has gotten in the game of

1206
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: buying up all these single family homes. They're making it

1207
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: more and more impossible for people to be able to

1208
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: have their own home, own their own home, have control

1209
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: over their own lives, et cetera. So think about, okay,

1210
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: for those of you who live in neighborhoods, that have

1211
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: hoas and have homeowners association, like is Google going to

1212
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: now be involved in like the running of your homeowners association?

1213
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: Those things are a nightmare to begin with withoud getting

1214
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: your boss involved in it as well, because that's what

1215
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:02,439
Speaker 1: happened in the company towns of your They would run

1216
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: the schools, they would stack the local political officials so

1217
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: that all of the policies that passed were beneficial to them,

1218
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: and it ended up being really a sort of catastrophe

1219
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: for workers and for worker autonomy in particular. The other

1220
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: thing that of course comes to my mind here is

1221
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: let's say there's a union drive, you know, and you're

1222
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,439
Speaker 1: dependent for your housing on your boss, not just your job.

1223
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,919
Speaker 1: It's already scary enough to engage in a union drive

1224
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: and to push for a union when it's quote unquote

1225
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: just your job at risk. Now your housing is at

1226
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: risk too, very very dystopian potential scenarios that are quite obvious,

1227
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: and the parent to see how it could fold out.

1228
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 2: It also shows you how these municipalities become weights.

1229
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 3: So actually, back in the.

1230
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 2: Day, there was a time when the governments would even

1231
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 2: pay their employees, not in dollars, their payment script because

1232
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 2: they have towns themselves. They ended up having to outlaw

1233
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 2: that during the Great Depression because governments were printing script

1234
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 2: and it didn't end up pegging it or have any

1235
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 2: monetary value. But we had to learn a lot of

1236
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 2: those lis since from the eighteen eighties all the way

1237
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 2: up till the nineteen thirties when this became really popular

1238
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 2: because of the amount of control, and that when those

1239
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 2: companies went busted, then the whole.

1240
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,439
Speaker 3: Thing just gets totally wiped out.

1241
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 2: What they even point out here is that we have

1242
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 2: a modern day version of this where because everybody's bidding

1243
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 2: for HQ two, for Google, and all these municipalities really

1244
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 2: want this, they're giving them tremendous amount of tax breaks

1245
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 2: and including they're relying on them to fund the housing

1246
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 2: that's successible to them.

1247
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 3: But this creates all kinds.

1248
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 2: Of skewed tax incentives where you're totally reliant on the

1249
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 2: major employer to do everything for you. And then again,

1250
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 2: what if they change their decision, What if a city

1251
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 2: down the road is willing to offer them something, then

1252
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 2: things could change. There's a lot of dangers. I think, Yeah,

1253
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 2: you continue to go down this road.

1254
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: And are you going to give preference in terms of

1255
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: hiring to people who say they want to live in

1256
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: your neighborhoods. You know, are you going to prefer them

1257
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: over someone who wants to live outside known their own

1258
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: home or whatever. So, the fact that you have such

1259
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: a disastrous housing landscape, especially in a lot of California,

1260
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: but in all kinds of places across the country, it

1261
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: creates this predatory opportunity for these companies to posture like

1262
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: they're doing something that's altruistic for the community, altruistic for

1263
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: their employees, when really all they're seeking is more money

1264
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: and more control.

1265
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, next part here. UFO has been waiting to give

1266
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 3: an update on this one.

1267
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 10: Now.

1268
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 2: The top line is, we brought everybody the news about

1269
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 2: the UFO Transparency Amendment. It was included by the Senate

1270
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 2: specifically Senator Chuck Schumer and Mike Rounds.

1271
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 3: Was a bipartisan bill.

1272
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 2: It actually passed passed the sedit with like eighty seven votes,

1273
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 2: massive support. It ended up, unfortunately being gutted in the

1274
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 2: House of Representatives, specifically by two individuals were Mike Rogers

1275
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 2: and Turner. These two individuals were very close ties to

1276
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 2: the intelligence community, basically working at the behest of the

1277
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 2: Pentagon and the CIA to kill any transparency efforts which

1278
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 2: would have required both the setting up commissions would have

1279
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 2: required mandatory disclosure. A lot of people UFO community are

1280
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 2: actually very upset about this, and they're also now highlighting

1281
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 2: a very interesting speech which was given by Senator Schumer

1282
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 2: yesterday upon the passage of the NDAA, where he protested

1283
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 2: against the House of Representatives stripping out these transparency blocks

1284
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 2: and specifically said, based upon presumably what he knows, he

1285
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 2: gets the highest level of intelligence briefing of a genuine

1286
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:23,959
Speaker 2: cover up that's taking place here.

1287
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 3: Here's what Senator Schumer have to.

1288
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 10: Say, Closure Act that he and I co sponsored and

1289
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 10: portions of which we will pass in the NDAA. I

1290
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 10: say to my friend that unidentified unanimous phenomena are of

1291
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 10: immense interest and curiosity to the American people. But with

1292
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 10: that curiosity comes the risk for confusion, disinformation, and mistrust,

1293
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 10: especially if the government isn't prepared to be transparent. The

1294
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 10: United States government has gathered a great deal of information

1295
01:01:56,240 --> 01:02:00,080
Speaker 10: about UAPs over many decades, but has refused to share

1296
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 10: with the American people. That is wrong, and additionally, it

1297
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 10: breeds mistrust. We've also been notified by multiple credible sources

1298
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 10: that information on UAPs has also been withheld from Congress, which,

1299
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 10: if true, is a violation of the laws requiring full

1300
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 10: notification to the legislative branch.

1301
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 2: A lot of important things here talking about wild it is,

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Speaker 2: and it's like these things just happen and they float

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Speaker 2: into the ether and everybody thinks it's too wacky, so

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Speaker 2: they don't want to cover it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is the Senate Majority leader. Now. Look,

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Speaker 3: politicians lie all the time.

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Speaker 2: But one of the reasons why I thought the legislation

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Speaker 2: was so important is it doesn't rely on individual testimony

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Speaker 2: of a whistleblower or a legislator of I saw this,

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Speaker 2: my uncle saw that, or any of that. It was

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Speaker 2: straight up like, look, if you have info, you have

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Speaker 2: to legally disclose it.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 2: It's very simple, and I think it's very telling that

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Speaker 2: they ended up covering it up.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Dave Grush, the initial UFO whistleblower, kind of spark a

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Speaker 2: lot of this, gave some of his reaction on News

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Speaker 2: Nation immediately after.

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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 5: What we're witnessing right now is quite frankly the greatest

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Speaker 5: legislative failure in American history. You know, you had a

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Speaker 5: very strong amendment for government transparency on this issue. Whether

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Speaker 5: you believe my allegations or not, we need to advocate

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Speaker 5: for the executive branch, you know, the office of the

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Speaker 5: President through executive action to in state such a body

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Speaker 5: to advise him on the best course of action. Now

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Speaker 5: that you know Congress has failed to legislate appropriately.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I would hope to see that. I'm not

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Speaker 3: going to hold my breath.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's the unfortunate part of it is

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Speaker 2: that there's no statutory things that are in place. One

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Speaker 2: of the reasons why the JFK Records Assassination Act was

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Speaker 2: so important was.

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Speaker 3: Because it let everybody see in the open.

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Speaker 2: Every time they push us declassification, we all know what's

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Speaker 2: happening here.

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Speaker 3: But the fact was is that previously you just pretend

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Speaker 3: they moved on. We already had the WARC Commission, just

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Speaker 3: got ready the WARR commission.

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Speaker 2: And then they opened it up and then they still

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Speaker 2: have parts of it declassified. Why everybody involved is dead

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Speaker 2: or you just don't want us to know truly what happened.

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Speaker 2: I think the fact that now we have to rely

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Speaker 2: on presidents. I mean, if you have to rely on

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Speaker 2: the capricious political leanings of the executive branch.

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Speaker 3: You're already screwed. You're s crewed.

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Speaker 2: So I will say the only hopeful note that I've

1349
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Speaker 2: been told is that this is that there were a

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Speaker 2: lot of people who are inside the government who are

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Speaker 2: really reliant on this legislation.

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Speaker 3: They want to do the right thing. They're like, I

1353
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 3: want to go through the official channels. This isn't this.

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Speaker 2: But if Congress is going to engage in a full

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01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 2: blown cover up, you know, at the behast, then they're

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Speaker 2: going to have to come out and quote unquote unauthorized,

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Speaker 2: uncontrolled type disclosure. So it's possible, actually we will see

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Speaker 2: even more than we might have through a legal process.

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Speaker 2: But you have to always remember a lot of these

1360
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Speaker 2: people are terrified of being prosecuted and thrown in jail

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Speaker 2: for the rest of their life or worse, you know,

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Speaker 2: which is that we've seen some allegations.

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Speaker 3: So curious what you think, Crystal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think your analogy to the JFK Wreckers Act

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Speaker 1: is really important because it's not like that solved the problem,

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01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: but it gave people a tool so that you could

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Speaker 1: sue and say, hey, this is what you're required to

1368
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 1: do under law, you're not meaning your obligations, and so

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Speaker 1: we're going to take you to court. And also it

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Speaker 1: exposed the lack of transparency because you could see the

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Speaker 1: short between what they were supposed to do and what

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Speaker 1: they were actually doing. So I think you know this,

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Speaker 1: that's a very analogous situation here. And it also reminds

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Speaker 1: me similarly of the Stock Act, which requires.

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Speaker 4: Disclosure of stock trades.

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Speaker 1: And it's not that that's solved corruption in government, but again,

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Speaker 1: it gave good government activists and grassroots activists in the

1378
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 1: public a tool where you could see at least some

1379
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,439
Speaker 1: of what's going on and expose it. You could also

1380
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: see the gaps between what people are supposed to disclose

1381
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: and what they are actually disclosing, and how often they're

1382
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: failing to disclose what they're required to under that regulation.

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Speaker 1: So to me, it sort of fits in a similar

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Speaker 1: category here.

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Speaker 4: I want to know more.

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Speaker 1: From you, Sagura about what you made of Schumer's comments,

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Speaker 1: because to me, that was pretty extraordinary to have Chuck

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Speaker 1: Schumer like I can't imagine he would just make accusations

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Speaker 1: like that.

1390
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Speaker 4: Willy nilly has he been a like which side of this.

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Speaker 1: Has he been on has he been a real transparency

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Speaker 1: advocate or has he been you know, kind of in

1393
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Speaker 1: the middle, or what's the deal, Chuck is a.

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Speaker 2: Recent convert Okay, I kind of came out of nowhere.

1395
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Speaker 2: We're not really sure or why we will take it.

1396
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Speaker 2: I look, I have no ideas. Remember the Gang the

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Speaker 2: Gang of Eight are the people who are supposedly the

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01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 2: members of Congress who get the most insight to the

1399
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 2: US intelligence community. Although you know that you can't necessarily

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01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 2: rely on that. If I had to guess, you know,

1401
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 2: maybe he had somebody who came to him. He was

1402
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 2: moved very much by Dave Grush or some other whistleblowers

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01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 2: others who had spoken to him.

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01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 3: This actually happens a lot. You'll have people who are

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Speaker 3: in the government.

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Speaker 2: They'll go to a member of Congress because members of

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01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 2: Congress also have security clearance, so like, here's what I know,

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01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 2: and here's what's happening inside the government, and then the

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01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 2: Congress will come This is kind of like the Church

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01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 2: Committee many other transparency efforts. They will come through because

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01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 2: they have clearance, and then they will enforce a provision

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01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 2: in the government which will require then disclosure. But I

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01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 2: mean the exact statement from Schumer is that there is

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01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 2: an actual cover up, right. He says, for the government

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01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 2: to obtain and he recovered UAP material or biological remains

1416
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 2: that may have been provided to private entities in the

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Speaker 2: past and thereby hidden from Congress and the American people.

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Speaker 2: That's a direct quote from Senator Rounds, an Idaho senator,

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01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 2: a Republican here who is working with Senator Schumer. I

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01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 2: mean they are alleging, I mean effectively saying that they

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Speaker 2: have knowledge of something. Same too with Grush. If you

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01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 2: look a little bit more and you dig in some

1423
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 2: of the things that he's talked about, he's now saying

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Speaker 2: he's got some firsthand knowledge of things that happened.

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Speaker 3: But and I get it. You know, everybody who's.

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Speaker 2: Watching this is frustrated because they're like, oh, it's always

1427
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 2: a guy or from a guy.

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Speaker 3: And I agree.

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Speaker 2: That's why I don't want to rely on Dave Grush.

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01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 2: I don't want to rely on Chuck Schumer. I don't

1431
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 2: want to rely on Mike Rounds or any of these

1432
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 2: other people that have come out because you can't prove

1433
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Speaker 2: any of that. I want something you can see in

1434
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:32,479
Speaker 2: my hands like documents. That's why some of the all

1435
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 2: the stuff from the past, to me, all these government

1436
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 2: records about Roswell, about Blue Book, about the cover ups

1437
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 2: and the history, and I've talked about all that. That's

1438
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 2: so compelling to me because these are the people who

1439
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 2: are actually involved in the program who lied about Roswell,

1440
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 2: then came out and then wrote down, you know, classified

1441
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 2: records all that that didn't come out for decades later.

1442
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 2: And you read this and you can't even believe, you know,

1443
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 2: some of what you're saying. Most of it we've now

1444
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 2: moved past. So the Disclosure Act, unfortunately, I was even

1445
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 2: led to believe by a lot of people involved. They

1446
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 2: said they thought they really were going to get past it.

1447
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 2: But it really does seem that the two individuals here,

1448
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 2: Turner and Rogers just just it was a absolute non starter.

1449
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 2: They were like, this is going this was Tier one,

1450
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 2: top priority. And then you got to ask yourself, why

1451
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 2: imagine the JFK thing. If a member of Congress who

1452
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 2: had such big ties to CIA and Pentagon just blocked

1453
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,839
Speaker 2: the JFK, or somebody like Arlen Spector, if anybody remembers

1454
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 2: that was he was a senator from Pennsylvania. He was

1455
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 2: on the Warrant Commission, and he came up with the

1456
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 2: magic bullet theory. Imagine if at the time that he

1457
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 2: was lobbying hard openly in the public against jfk assassination.

1458
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 2: We all know what's happening there, we know why, and

1459
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:48,719
Speaker 2: yet for somehow with this the press, everybody just moves

1460
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 2: past it. It's like me and a bunch of other

1461
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 2: guys on Twitter, I don't understand it. I think everybody

1462
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 2: just thinks it's wacky and they think it's you know,

1463
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:57,719
Speaker 2: they don't want to be tainted by looking like a kook.

1464
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Speaker 3: But this is the Senate majority leader.

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01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:01,639
Speaker 2: This is not you know, this isn't just daily mail

1466
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 2: articles and things like that are happening well.

1467
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 1: And the other dynamic that could be playing out here is,

1468
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: you know, members of Congress can really get in their

1469
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 1: feelings when they when there's like a turf four and

1470
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,679
Speaker 1: an ego battle too, Like if they feel like they're

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01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 1: being lied to and like you know, members of the

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Speaker 1: executive branch are not being upfront with them. That can

1473
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:25,719
Speaker 1: create a certain dynamic there. But also so it's Turner

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01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 1: and Rogers who are the So isn't Turner, the guy

1475
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 1: who like worked in the defense industry and tastes like

1476
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: tons of like aerospace.

1477
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:36,480
Speaker 2: Offense, aerospace defense contractor, dont like in terms of donations,

1478
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 2: is out in the open.

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Speaker 4: And wasn't it Rogers, wasn't he like FBI exactly?

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Speaker 3: This is what I'm saying.

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01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 4: It's just checking that I had to write people in

1482
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 4: my head.

1483
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 3: Look, Brush did an interview with Tucker Carlson yesterday.

1484
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 2: I recommend you look at it. You know, he continues

1485
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 2: to speak out, and it props to the guy. I'm

1486
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 2: trying to get him here.

1487
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 3: On the show as well. I'd like to talk to

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01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 3: him a little bit.

1489
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:58,600
Speaker 2: But in general, what you continue is it's everything you

1490
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 2: have now is out in the old open, So it's

1491
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 2: up to you.

1492
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 3: And also it's up to a lot of us.

1493
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 2: Like we got close this time around, maybe we can

1494
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 2: do it next time. But it's going to do it's

1495
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 2: going to take a long time. I think this is

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01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 2: evidence of just how big of an uphill battle the

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01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 2: people face just again to get official transparency. I don't

1498
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 2: know why it should be so difficult, but maybe it

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01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 2: tells us something.

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Speaker 1: So we've got a little viral clip we wanted to

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01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 1: share with you guys, amidst all the concern nationwide about

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01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 1: harassment and anti Semitism and hate speech on campus. This

1503
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 1: video went viral of a woman we don't see her

1504
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 1: on camera and she decides to remain anonymous, apparently wearing.

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01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 4: The Kafia scarf, which is associated.

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01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: With Palestinian cause, walking around Cambridge near Harvard and getting

1507
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 1: harassed and stalked by this woman. I'll go ahead and

1508
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 1: play it for you, and on the other side, I'll

1509
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 1: reveal who this woman turns out to be.

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Speaker 4: Take a look.

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01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 3: Between you and people who wanted to murder you.

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01:10:57,240 --> 01:11:00,560
Speaker 5: Hi, camera, thank you for walking through the neighborhoods and

1513
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 5: making him families feel unsafe.

1514
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 8: With your with your tourist spurtant.

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01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 7: Palestinians felt pretty unsafe when it's really occupied their country.

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01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 3: You know, I'm glad you're sad oftaughter of civilians.

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01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 1: I'm not so she's alleging she's making people feel unsafe

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Speaker 1: by wearing a scarf. Okay, turns out this woman's name

1519
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 1: is Eve Gerber and she is the wife of former

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01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 1: Obama administration official and still very prominent economist who works

1521
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,839
Speaker 1: at at Harvard, Jason Furman. He's a professor at Harvard's

1522
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 1: Kennedy School. Very much reminiscent of our friend Stuart.

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01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jason Furman literally might be, aside from Thomas Friedman,

1524
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:49,759
Speaker 2: the most preeminent economist in this country.

1525
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:50,679
Speaker 3: I'm not kidding.

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01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 1: Also well fly because he gets in these like Twitter

1527
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 1: battles and goes on podcasts, very visible, very known and

1528
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 1: very visible, and obviously was an Obama official. And now

1529
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 1: his wife is out there. The woman who is wearing

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01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 1: the scarf. According to her, Eve Gerbert stopped her car over,

1531
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 1: pulled over to get out and harass her and accuse

1532
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 1: her of wearing a quote unquote terrorist scarf and making

1533
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:17,599
Speaker 1: people feel unsafe. I mean, it's insane on a lot

1534
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 1: of levels. I also have to comment on the fact

1535
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:20,679
Speaker 1: that they're like wild turkeys or something.

1536
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're wonder I don't know what's going on.

1537
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, anyway, we'll put that part to the side.

1538
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 1: But you know, it really shines a light on some

1539
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 1: of the claims of people feeling unsafe and the crackdowns

1540
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 1: on campus, on what I would describe as crackdowns on

1541
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 1: free speech based on people like her saying that a

1542
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 1: literal scarf is making her feel unsafe. This is insane

1543
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 1: and it's like outrageous harassment that she's stalking this girl

1544
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 1: and accusing her of supporting terrorism because of a scarf

1545
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 1: that she's wearing.

1546
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not.

1547
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 2: I mean, that's like the biggest Karen Energy I've ever seen.

1548
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 2: It's just ridiculous obviously. And yeah, I mean the double

1549
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:01,639
Speaker 2: standard here in terms of who imagine if the person

1550
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 2: was wearing a yamaga and walking through Dearborn, Michigan's you

1551
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:05,639
Speaker 2: think you think that I was gonna.

1552
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 1: Go virus someone's stalking them and accusing them where, Yeah,

1553
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 1: it would be totally I mean that would be front

1554
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 1: page news. Every politician in America would be getting asked

1555
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 1: about it. And who was really being made unsafe here?

1556
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 1: The person who stops her car and like follows this

1557
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:21,759
Speaker 1: woman because she doesn't like her scarf, or the student

1558
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:23,799
Speaker 1: who was being stalked by this total psycho.

1559
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 2: It's just so it's so crazy to me that somebody

1560
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:31,599
Speaker 2: who is so rich and so privileged would be driving

1561
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 2: through their neighborhood and pull their car over just to

1562
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 2: engage in an altercation with their who did nothing to them,

1563
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 2: Who's walking through their neighborhood Yet like you said too,

1564
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 2: with the scarf, I assume that this lady knows what

1565
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 2: that scarf me A lot of people don't even know

1566
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 2: what the scarf is. You know, when I lived in

1567
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:49,839
Speaker 2: the Middle East, everybody had that scarf.

1568
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 3: I even had one. We thought it was cool. People

1569
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 3: even wore it was part of their sob or whatever.

1570
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 2: And it was one of those where it wasn't even

1571
01:13:57,880 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 2: a statement on Palestin.

1572
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:00,120
Speaker 3: It was just a scarf.

1573
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 2: It was not even a political statement. What if she

1574
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:04,599
Speaker 2: had pulled over or said something to somebody who wasn't

1575
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 2: even doing it, And yet even if they were. I

1576
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 2: see people who walk around Washington anywhere. You know, in

1577
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 2: this country, you should to beople wearing Magas shirts whenever

1578
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 2: being get on a plane.

1579
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:14,559
Speaker 3: What are you going to say something to them?

1580
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 2: Or is somebody who's wearing like a BLM shirt whenever

1581
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 2: I'm walking my dog.

1582
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 3: Same thing. Let people live. Why do you care?

1583
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 2: Makes no It literally has zero impact on your life.

1584
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:28,600
Speaker 2: And that look, if you are actively threatening one of

1585
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 2: your neighbors, this is what that's a very different conversation.

1586
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 2: But you're just walking down the street and somebody yells

1587
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 2: at you. Yeah, that reminds The only time I've ever

1588
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 2: experienced something like that is when I wasn't wearing a

1589
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 2: mask in the middle of the outside, by the way,

1590
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 2: and I was on the phone and somebody across the

1591
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 2: street yelled at me.

1592
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 4: By the way, listen.

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01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 1: I want to be clear, like this conversation about anti

1594
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 1: Semitism rising, like I have seen genuine incidents of anti Summitism,

1595
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 1: you know, here and around the world. I do not

1596
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 1: doubt for a second that there is an increase in

1597
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 1: anti Semitism, for a variety of reasons. One of them

1598
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 1: is that groups like the ADL in so down in

1599
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:03,640
Speaker 1: quitting every Jewish person in the entire world with a

1600
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: state that is at best pushing for an ethnic cleansing

1601
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 1: and it worst on its way to a genocide that

1602
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 1: could make juice unsafe and spike anti Semitism. Of course,

1603
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 1: it's on the bigots themselves for their actions and for

1604
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 1: their the hatred that they hold. But when you see

1605
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 1: things like this, it also calls into question, to say

1606
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 1: the very least, you know, the ADL puts ount some

1607
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:25,680
Speaker 1: report that's like, oh, anti Semitic incidents have increased by

1608
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 1: three hundred percent. Well, is this the kind of thing

1609
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 1: that you would classify as a quote unquote anti semitic incident.

1610
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 1: Someone wearing a cafia's scarf or someone protesting at a

1611
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 1: rally and saying a chant that they don't like is

1612
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 1: that classified as a quote unquote anti semitic incident? Because

1613
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 1: apparently this woman wearing the wrong scarf is making Eve

1614
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 1: Gerber feel that she and others in a neighborhood are unsafe.

1615
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 3: Well, you're scratching the service here, Chris Soll.

1616
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 2: I've been talking about this for a long time, don't

1617
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:51,680
Speaker 2: I Basically, and this will be controversial, I don't care.

1618
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 2: I don't believe most quote unquote hate statistics. Anytime somebody's like,

1619
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:57,680
Speaker 2: oh it was a hate crime, Like, yeah, what was it?

1620
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 2: And the reason why is because I don't trust these

1621
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 2: classification regimes the FBI.

1622
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:04,759
Speaker 3: They compile these statistics, they do it based.

1623
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 2: Upon local crime stats and all these other but they

1624
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 2: don't verify the actual criteria.

1625
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 3: For the reason why.

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01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:12,760
Speaker 2: For example, I've talked about this before, mass shooting. Well,

1627
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 2: Obama dropped the mass shooting definition from four to three. Okay,

1628
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 2: so now there's more mass shootings. Well, are there really

1629
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 2: more mass shootings? And then what is so called mass shooting.

1630
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 2: It turns out a huge bulk of people where three

1631
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 2: people get shot or more are mass suicide? Tragic and

1632
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 2: gang violence? Are those mass shootings in the same way

1633
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 2: that a school shooting is. So it's you know, you

1634
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 2: look at this, it's the same with a lot of

1635
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 2: these hate speech. Well what do they say? They say

1636
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 2: the N word, Okay, that's hate speech. Did they say

1637
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 2: get out of here? It's like, well, what was the context?

1638
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 2: And I know that this can be controversial, But the

1639
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 2: reason why I'm so I reject so much of this

1640
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 2: is I watched all of this come to four in

1641
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 2: the campus regime and then eventually make its way to

1642
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 2: the government, where like we said, you know, the hate

1643
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 2: incident would be somebody like Bubba from NASCAR who says

1644
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 2: that there's a noose on a tree and ignites like

1645
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 2: a national incident, and it turns out that that didn't

1646
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,719
Speaker 2: actually happen at all. I've watched too many of these

1647
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 2: that my now smile at rule and maybe this is callous.

1648
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 2: Is my default is.

1649
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 3: I don't believe you.

1650
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:16,640
Speaker 2: I don't you have to prove evidence, because we've just

1651
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 2: seen too many of these used for disgusting ends. I

1652
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 2: would apply the same thing to anti semitism. It's like, well,

1653
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 2: what are we talking about here, Like what's real? Where

1654
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 2: I went to school, GW famous incident there was a

1655
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 2: girl who claimed that people were drawing swastikas on her

1656
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 2: dorm room or maybe around it on her whiteboard or

1657
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 2: something like that, and this everybody freaked out. GW is

1658
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:40,599
Speaker 2: a very large Jewish population, so they installed cameras. Secretly,

1659
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 2: it turned out that the girl was drawing the swastikas herself.

1660
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 3: It's like sick. It's like you're sick in the head.

1661
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 3: It's like you're trying to ignite hatred. But there's a

1662
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 3: lot of that.

1663
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:52,799
Speaker 2: Let's be real in terms of attention seeking, in terms

1664
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 2: of you know, being at the center of attention and

1665
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 2: trying to push political narratives. So I would have everybody

1666
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 2: to urge extra caution every time you see one of

1667
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 2: these things. Just look for the details the incidents. The

1668
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 2: SMALLT rule has never failed me, and it.

1669
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 1: Disgusts me too, because it means when you use the

1670
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 1: term for things that are not anti Semitic, like wearing

1671
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 1: a scarf, for example, then you make the term meaningless.

1672
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:20,840
Speaker 1: And so when there are genuine incidents. You know, there

1673
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 1: was a Manora that was apparently a display that was smash.

1674
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 1: Now we don't know who did it and whatever, but

1675
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 1: when there are genuine incidents, then you've cheapened the language

1676
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 1: surrounding it, and you know that's bad for everyone. So

1677
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 1: the last thing that I'll say about this this video

1678
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:38,680
Speaker 1: and then we'll get to you know, another one of

1679
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 1: these sort of like disputed incidents that I felt like

1680
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:44,599
Speaker 1: we needed to cover because we covered the original video

1681
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 1: and so anyway, we'll get into that at a minute.

1682
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 1: But you know, this also comes after those three men

1683
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 1: of Palestinian origin were shot students, two of whom were

1684
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:57,200
Speaker 1: wearing the Kafias scarf. Now we still don't know, you know,

1685
01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 1: the details of why they were targeted, but they were

1686
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 1: walking down the stare read in Vermont, speaking a combination

1687
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 1: of Arabic and English, two of them wearing the scarf,

1688
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 1: and then out of nowhere, this dude comes and shoots them.

1689
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:10,679
Speaker 1: So in any case, you know, there seems to be

1690
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 1: this scarf inciting a lot of passions that are insane.

1691
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 1: This is it is a political statement. I don't think

1692
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 1: that there's anything wrong with making a political statement. With

1693
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 1: your attire. People should not be stoked. They certainly shouldn't

1694
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 1: be shot for daring to express solidarity with the Palestinian people.

1695
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 1: All right, So this other piece, you know, I feel

1696
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 1: sort of complicated about covering this, but let me just

1697
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:39,839
Speaker 1: we'll just get into it. Early on, right after October seventh,

1698
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 1: there were all these protests, and we covered here how

1699
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 1: there was just like this outright genocidal language that seemed

1700
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:47,759
Speaker 1: to be coming from all directions.

1701
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 3: I think we covered on October ten.

1702
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:52,639
Speaker 1: And one of the most prominent examples that we covered

1703
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 1: and many other news outlets covered, was this protest in

1704
01:19:56,520 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 1: Australia where, among other anti Semitic chance, some of the

1705
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:09,440
Speaker 1: protesters were allegedly chanting gas the Jews. Horrific and noteworthy

1706
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 1: because in the Australian context, that could actually meet the

1707
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:17,800
Speaker 1: criminal threshold for threatening or inciting violence, whereas the other

1708
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 1: antisemitic chants, which have been more confirmed than that one

1709
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 1: that we're being chanted, would not meet that threshold of

1710
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 1: inciting violence. So it becomes a huge story here, and

1711
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:34,719
Speaker 1: certainly in Australia, there's a massive police investigation that was launched,

1712
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 1: and so far nothing has come out of that. Police investigation.

1713
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 1: There's an independent Australian outlet, and this is why I

1714
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 1: was not sure whether to cover this story or not,

1715
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 1: but I felt like we should since we covered the

1716
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:47,640
Speaker 1: original video. I don't know anything about this outlet. I

1717
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 1: did look it up. They seem activist, but somewhat legit.

1718
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 1: They've been around from since nineteen ninety nine. Anyway, they

1719
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 1: are claiming that they have sources and we can put

1720
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 1: this up on the screen, who are giving them information

1721
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 1: about that investigation go going on into this chant. There

1722
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:05,559
Speaker 1: has not been any other video that has emerged with

1723
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 1: people chanting that specific thing.

1724
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 4: They say. Nobody can verify it.

1725
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 1: The original video was released from this right wing Jewish

1726
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:17,680
Speaker 1: group called the Australian Jewish Association. They have refused to

1727
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 1: provide the original video. There was an analysis that was

1728
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 1: performed by verification experts that found a number of signs

1729
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 1: that suggest the audio was edited. This review that this

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Speaker 1: outlet Kriiche was able to see, noted that the audio

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Speaker 1: is on a sync with the video in places a

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Speaker 1: section of the audio is repeated during a clip. Some

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Speaker 1: audio was repeated while different clips were being shown. These

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Speaker 1: suggest that additional editing was done. Beyond splicing different video

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Speaker 1: clips together. So in any case, at the best you

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Speaker 1: can say this video has been sort of called into question.

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Speaker 1: Now the other anti Semitic, the f the Jews chants,

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Speaker 1: which are also absolutely horrific, are more confirmed.

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Speaker 4: So you may say, like, well, why are you parsing this?

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Speaker 4: What does it matter?

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Speaker 1: There were anti semitic chance, And I would just say

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Speaker 1: for two reasons. Number One, we showed the video and

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Speaker 1: so I feel like it's important to correct the record

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Speaker 1: if it needs to be corrected. Number Two, it's another

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Speaker 1: illustration of how even things to which are widely disseminated

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Speaker 1: by mass media outlets can be called into question. And

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Speaker 1: number three, I do think the details matter, and we've

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Speaker 1: seen this in some of the alleged atrocities which have

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Speaker 1: now been debugged from October seventh. October seventh was horrific

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Speaker 1: enough as it was. You didn't need to add all

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Speaker 1: of these things which have now been debuggd like the

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Speaker 1: beheaded babies and the babies in the oven, and the

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Speaker 1: children that were tied together that Ntanyahu said, we're all

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Speaker 1: burned together. Those things didn't happen. Other horrific atrocities did occur.

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Speaker 1: So in any case, That's why I felt like it

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Speaker 1: was important to cover this clarification about this video and

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Speaker 1: the questions that have been raised about its veracity.

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Speaker 2: Well, the reason why it's important is because it's set

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Speaker 2: off a firestorm. I think rightfully, if we thought it

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Speaker 2: was real and now it turns out it may not

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01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 2: be real, I think that's always important, especially here, for

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Speaker 2: us to correct it and to look at it. And

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Speaker 2: it was used as justification for our why for you know,

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Speaker 2: similar rhetoric I think on a lot of the Israeli sides.

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Speaker 3: So look, and by the way, if.

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Speaker 2: Anybody can wants to see if any of that's faked,

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Speaker 2: let me know, I'll be happy to talk about it here.

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Speaker 2: But I think it's important, you know, to look and

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01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 2: to make sure that things are real. We've had a

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Speaker 2: number of incidents already, have a lot of fake news

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Speaker 2: that spread everywhere, you know, with a lot of these

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Speaker 2: allegations that were used specifically to hype people up, and

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Speaker 2: just like Iraq, just like post nine eleven and all

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Speaker 2: of that, a lot of it falls apart, but the

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Speaker 2: actions at the time remain the same. Anthrax that's a

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Speaker 2: whole other one. A lot of these things were used

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Speaker 2: for a very specific purpose. It's why again I'm so

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01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 2: I am so deeply dubious of almost anything that seems unbelievably,

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Speaker 2: because sometimes it is unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: All right, Tyler, what you're looking at it?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 2: President Selenski arrived in Washington Tuesday with a single message,

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Speaker 2: give US sixty one billion in military aid or you

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Speaker 2: are the friend of Putin. He was aided in this

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Speaker 2: message by President Biden and Democrats, who implored Republicans to

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Speaker 2: dropped their demand and for border security in exchange for

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Speaker 2: the AIDS passage. He was also granted a major assist

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Speaker 2: by the US intelligence community, who leaked rosy prospects for

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Speaker 2: Ukraine to the American press. The press predictably lapped it

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Speaker 2: up and breathlessly reported the following Russia has lost nearly

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Speaker 2: ninety percent of its pre war army to death or injury,

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Speaker 2: totaling some three hundred and fifteen thousand losses of the

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Speaker 2: initial three hundred and sixty thousand that stood in the

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Speaker 2: army before the February twenty twenty two invasion. Additionally, they

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Speaker 2: assessed that Russia has lost two thirds of his existing

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Speaker 2: tank force and some twenty two hundred tanks out of

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Speaker 2: existing thirty five hundred. By any metric, this is humiliating. Russia,

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Speaker 2: before the invasion was considered a world class military and

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Speaker 2: while it was not on par with forces from the

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Speaker 2: US or the UK, for example, the idea that they

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Speaker 2: would have trouble conquering Ukraine entirely.

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Speaker 3: Was not a question.

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Speaker 2: But then, what the intelligence assessments and the media is

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Speaker 2: not telling you is what does Russia look like today?

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Speaker 2: First and foremost that must be understood is this basic fact.

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Speaker 2: Russia is not a West country. In a normal Western country,

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Speaker 2: when you lose three hundred thousand guys, you have democratic revolt.

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Speaker 3: In Russia.

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Speaker 2: The elite genuinely does not care, and the population also

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Speaker 2: doesn't seem to care much. In fact, the most recent

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01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:16,960
Speaker 2: independent polling out of Russia tells US seventy five percent

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Speaker 2: of the population supports the war in Ukraine. Bizarrely, the

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Speaker 2: number of death pensions now being paid to widows has

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Speaker 2: actually made the war more popular in the poorest regions.

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Speaker 2: Why because the death benefits more than many of these

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Speaker 2: impoverished people would ever earn in a normal economy. For many,

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Speaker 2: fighting and dying in Ukraine is now a very logical

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Speaker 2: economic choice. Furthermore, Russia has now turned to its eternal strength,

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Speaker 2: its vast population and economic resources to plug the whole.

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Speaker 2: Just days ago, Putin ordered the armed forces to expand

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Speaker 2: to a total of one point three to two million

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Speaker 2: active troops, four times what with the start of the invasion.

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Speaker 3: For the Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: There have been no widespread draft riots now in months,

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Speaker 2: so that peers to have solved their manpower issues. And

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Speaker 2: let's turn to the tank production again. It's genuinely embarrassing

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Speaker 2: to lose that many tanks. But what they fail to

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Speaker 2: tell you is that Russia went from a country that

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty produced only thirty tanks to one that

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Speaker 2: this year has delivered twenty two hundred, the exact number

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Speaker 2: that they lost since the beginning of the Ukraine invasion. Furthermore,

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Speaker 2: they have no dedicated They've now dedicated thirty percent of

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Speaker 2: their entire spending to just defense.

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Speaker 3: War production has ramped up.

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Speaker 2: To levels where they outpaced nearly all of NATO in

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Speaker 2: artillery production, and they have achieved a three percent unemployment

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Speaker 2: rate because so many are now imployed in the war effort.

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Speaker 2: War spending alone is not only keeping the economy afloat.

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Speaker 2: It's actually making many Russians better off on the aggregate

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Speaker 2: than they were before. There's actually a good argument to

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Speaker 2: be made Russia is stronger today than they were before

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Speaker 2: the invasion of Ukraine. Yes, they lost three hundred thousand men.

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Speaker 2: That only matters if you care about human life.

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Speaker 3: They don't.

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Speaker 2: They've tripled the size of their armed forces. They've tested

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Speaker 2: which tactics that work and don't on the battlefield. They've

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Speaker 2: hardened their supply chain to produce more arms than ever before,

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Speaker 2: with nothing.

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Speaker 3: The West can do at about it.

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Speaker 2: As for oil, they are selling it at high prices

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Speaker 2: to nations who don't agree with the Western boycott and

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Speaker 2: will continue to do so.

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Speaker 3: So that's Russia.

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Speaker 2: Let's think about Ukraine, which is currently asking for sixty

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Speaker 2: one billion. In his bid for more money, Zelenski actually

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01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 2: was forced to admit things are far more dire than

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Speaker 2: appearance's sake. In one of his meetings with senators, he

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Speaker 2: said Ukraine is now considering opening the draft to all

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Speaker 2: men over the age of forty. This comes after Ukraine

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Speaker 2: has already confirmed the average age of its current military

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Speaker 2: is forty three years old. Reminding me of the Army

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Speaker 2: of northern Virginia and its last legs, or Hitler's Volkstrom policy,

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Speaker 2: where teenagers and old men were drafted in the last

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Speaker 2: defense of the German homeland. Ukraine is at a point

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Speaker 2: where its manpower problems are far worse, probably than any

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Speaker 2: military capability problems they have, especially so when it's the

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Speaker 2: only answer to the question of what is your plan

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Speaker 2: to win? If it's based on having fifty year old

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Speaker 2: men run into a trench for another year at the

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Speaker 2: chance of a few square miles of territory before peace

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Speaker 2: negotiation is launched, what are we doing here? The answer

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Speaker 2: is simple. Our policy towards Ukraine has been nothing short

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Speaker 2: of a disaster. Russia is militarily stronger, Ukraine appears on

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Speaker 2: the brink of literal societal collapse. If this continues for

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Speaker 2: another year. NATO is actually weaker than it was before

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Speaker 2: the invasion. Two years into the war, France now has

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Speaker 2: the number of heavy artillery pieces that Russia loses every month.

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Speaker 2: Germany has enough AMMO to last two days of war.

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Speaker 2: The last in the UK is now considering taking out

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Speaker 2: museum tanks and giving them to Ukraine because they cannot

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Speaker 2: produce enough. The theory behind the US support was to

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Speaker 2: strengthen NATO. In reality it has been to cover for

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Speaker 2: them so they don't have to take care of their

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Speaker 2: own backyard.

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Speaker 3: Every single metric the policy he has failed.

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Speaker 2: If the West is not wise up here, there will

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Speaker 2: not be a Ukraine to seek a peace deal because

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Speaker 2: Russia will just achieve outright total military victory. Billions of

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Speaker 2: dollars are already been wasted. Hundreds of thousands are dead.

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Speaker 2: This is what America has to show for it just

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Speaker 2: the latest in a string of strategic defeats since Vietnam.

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Speaker 2: It is obviously time to try something very very different.

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Speaker 2: How crazy is that? The museum piece angle and also on.

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