WEBVTT - Go Ahead, Go To Bed Angry Tonight

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, folks, it is Friday, October tenth, and are

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<v Speaker 1>you heading to bed angry tonight? Well knock your self out,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. You're not

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to. We have been. Doesn't everybody know that's a

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<v Speaker 1>hard fast rule. You're not supposed to go to bed

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<v Speaker 1>angry when you're in a relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>I have heard that for all of my life, and

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<v Speaker 2>I have never been able to actually put that into

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<v Speaker 2>practice as much as I would have liked to, and

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes I didn't want to, And so it's actually refreshing

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<v Speaker 2>to hear that I don't have to. Why do we

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<v Speaker 2>think we have to? Who says that's the way it

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<v Speaker 2>has to be?

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<v Speaker 1>No matter what shouldn't be the goal?

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<v Speaker 2>I think that would be awesome. But I think anytime

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<v Speaker 2>you're told you should do something or you need to

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<v Speaker 2>feel a certain way, I guess actions are different than feelings.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe you do something even if you don't feel it.

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<v Speaker 2>But that also feels disingenuous, and I don't know how.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I've struggled with this concept for most of my life,

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<v Speaker 2>and we.

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<v Speaker 1>Are talking about it now. Look, this conversation comes up

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<v Speaker 1>every now and again out there and whatever circles. But

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<v Speaker 1>this week we got this recently from the Associated Press

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<v Speaker 1>who kind of put it back out there because they

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<v Speaker 1>were in conversation with a therapist who said, absolutely, knock

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<v Speaker 1>yourself out, go to bed angry. You might be doing

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<v Speaker 1>more harm than good trying to stay up and resolve something.

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<v Speaker 2>Look and to that point, that has been something that

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<v Speaker 2>I have learned to amend truly in my relationship with you,

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<v Speaker 2>because in the morning things look different they just do

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<v Speaker 2>at night. You're exhausted, you're tired. Who knows what kind

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<v Speaker 2>of day you've had. You're bringing all of that into

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<v Speaker 2>your feelings into an argument that might not have a

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<v Speaker 2>place actually that you're now inflating the situation because you

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<v Speaker 2>were dealing with other stressors throughout your day. So I

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<v Speaker 2>do think in the morning you have a clearer head,

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<v Speaker 2>better perspective, and you're refreshed, and that's a better place

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<v Speaker 2>to begin having a conversation about something you disagree about

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<v Speaker 2>versus a fight that takes place late at night. I think,

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<v Speaker 2>don't I don't know. It feels like a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>arguments happen at the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, at the end of the day, when you're when

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<v Speaker 1>you're tired, lost it, when you just went all through

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<v Speaker 1>that hell at the office, when you just want to

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<v Speaker 1>go to bed after you've had that after work drink.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean this conversation isn't going well. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you're at your absolute worst physical spot and mental spot

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day, and you're getting hit

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<v Speaker 1>with the heaviest stuff in conversation. And we're being told

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<v Speaker 1>everybody knows this road, it's just accepted. It's the rule.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't go to bed angry.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the reason why I think a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>subscribe to this just from a you know, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>but we'll get into the origins of it. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>fascinating in and of itself, actually, But I do think

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<v Speaker 2>you're telling yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to be able to sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to toss in turn, I'm going to be ruminating,

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm going to be like going over everything in

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<v Speaker 2>my head, and I'm going to lose an entire night's

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<v Speaker 2>worth of rest because I haven't resolved this. So resolving

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<v Speaker 2>it will allow me to sleep better. But I just

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<v Speaker 2>I honestly am thinking back in my life, honestly over

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<v Speaker 2>a fight that happened near bedtime or continued through where

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<v Speaker 2>you should go to bed. I can't think of an

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<v Speaker 2>instance where it was like, kumbai ya, everything's figured out,

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<v Speaker 2>we're all happy, and we can all sleep peacefully. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't usually get resolved in some peaceful, satisfactory way when

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<v Speaker 2>you're already that upset, but you are.

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<v Speaker 1>Also someone, at least in my experience with you don't

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<v Speaker 1>know who this was before you're sleeping next to and

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<v Speaker 1>doing this fighting with. My point my twice divorce love

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<v Speaker 1>is that we have found some way and we have

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<v Speaker 1>figured this out to where we do absolutely not go

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<v Speaker 1>to bed angry, but we also don't spend much time

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<v Speaker 1>during the day angry is the thing. We have found

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<v Speaker 1>a way. We haven't mastered. This is something we continue

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<v Speaker 1>to work on. But from where we were to where

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<v Speaker 1>we are in terms of recognizing, I know you want

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<v Speaker 1>stuff resolved, Let's move on and go back to being happy.

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<v Speaker 1>Within five minutes, I need a beat, So even us

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just a matter of understanding, but we're now

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<v Speaker 1>respecting that in the middle of something going on, we

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<v Speaker 1>need possibly two very different things from each other, and

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<v Speaker 1>in at least respecting each other a little bit, it's

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<v Speaker 1>led to some kind of compromise to where we have

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<v Speaker 1>figured something out and the fights end before they even start.

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<v Speaker 2>It's true because I now recognize what you need, and

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<v Speaker 2>I recognize that when I actually extend that grace to you,

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<v Speaker 2>you relax, you're not as upset, and therefore things just

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<v Speaker 2>get a little bit better. And I think you recognize

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<v Speaker 2>if you just say one kind thing or soften something

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<v Speaker 2>just a bit, I relax and then things get better.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's part of understanding your partner's needs and

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<v Speaker 2>not just thinking about.

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<v Speaker 3>What you need and what you want.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think oftentimes I had been in that place

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<v Speaker 2>in my head where all I was thinking about was

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<v Speaker 2>being right or justifying how I felt, or proving that

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<v Speaker 2>the other person was wrong. That doesn't ever work, ever, ever,

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<v Speaker 2>for anyone. So if you start thinking about what it

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<v Speaker 2>is your partner needs, and that's really hard to do

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<v Speaker 2>when you're pissed, but if you can really think about that,

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<v Speaker 2>it dates things so quickly that even if it's unresolved,

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<v Speaker 2>and even if there still might be a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of underlying tension that you can deal with in the

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<v Speaker 2>morning in a very calm, respectful way. Just bringing down

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<v Speaker 2>the tension is enough or preventing the fight from starting.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you said bringing down the tension. That's very

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<v Speaker 1>very important to this conversation and what therapists are saying,

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<v Speaker 1>at least to one the ap talk to bringing down

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<v Speaker 1>the temperature. That says a lot about your relationship. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're able to look at each other and understand and respect.

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<v Speaker 1>We got a problem right now. This is not a

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<v Speaker 1>good time for us to be doing it. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to meet back up and resolve this. If you are

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<v Speaker 1>in a respectful if you are in a solid relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not a problem because oftentimes people will do that

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<v Speaker 1>and then they don't follow up. I'm like, okay, let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this later, and you don't talk about it later,

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<v Speaker 1>and this goes and goes and go. But even in

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<v Speaker 1>the heat of the moment, even if you don't resolve it,

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<v Speaker 1>at least a good thing to do is to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>let's revisit this or even this they suggested, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>we're tired right now, but tomorrow, let's do coffee. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>take eleven o'clock, I'll meet you blah blah blah and

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<v Speaker 1>talk instet a plan for doing it. That's intentional, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Mature, agreed, And I think a lot of times there

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<v Speaker 2>is so much of the anger and the ego that

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<v Speaker 2>comes into this comes into play. Is this fear right?

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<v Speaker 2>So if you can at least just say I love you.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't agree on this, we can talk more about it,

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<v Speaker 2>but I love you like just and I know this

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<v Speaker 2>is the last thing you want to say sometimes when

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<v Speaker 2>you're mad at somebody some but just that little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of reassurance that we're gonna get through this. This isn't

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<v Speaker 2>we got to figure this out. But you know a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people in a moment of anger and frustration

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<v Speaker 2>will do the opposite and say I'm done, We're over,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't do this anymore. And some people even throw

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<v Speaker 2>the D word out, or they're like divorce or their breakup,

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<v Speaker 2>or threaten all sorts of things because they're so angry,

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<v Speaker 2>because they're actually so afraid that you start going nuclear.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the other it's yes, I think all of

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<v Speaker 2>us have been there at one point in our lives.

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<v Speaker 1>If you find this out and I found this out

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<v Speaker 1>about you, and it's yes, it's hard sometimes because you

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<v Speaker 1>do you piss me off, and we're back and forth

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<v Speaker 1>and something's happening. I know all you need is your

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<v Speaker 1>handheld or and I love you, or a simple something

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<v Speaker 1>and it's all gone right.

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<v Speaker 2>But the point is now, when you say I love you,

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<v Speaker 2>I look at you with a side eye because I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>is that a placating I love you?

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<v Speaker 1>And I love you? Now it's got to come in

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<v Speaker 1>different degrees. I love you.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I'll take it and I appreciate it, and

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<v Speaker 2>I actually think it Actually it's not manipulative because I

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<v Speaker 2>know you do love me. But sometimes I am laughing

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm like, I think he's saying that because he

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<v Speaker 2>wants to say something else, but he's reminding himself that

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<v Speaker 2>he loves.

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<v Speaker 3>And I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, likewise what I have been doing, because I

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<v Speaker 2>am somebody who tends to react emotionally, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>that about myself.

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<v Speaker 3>I've learned that about myself, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I instead, if I can just literally take a breath,

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<v Speaker 2>take a walk, take a beat, go to the bathroom,

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<v Speaker 2>just breathe in and breathe out, and then come back

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<v Speaker 2>and say why was I mad?

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<v Speaker 1>Again?

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<v Speaker 2>Like sometimes actually, just give yourself ninety seconds, give yourself

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<v Speaker 2>three minutes, and you'll actually say, wow, I was I

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<v Speaker 2>was coming at that from a place of insecurity or

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<v Speaker 2>a place of I was trying to interpret something that

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<v Speaker 2>I actually don't know what the meaning was. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I've learned that taking a beat is everything. Taking a

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<v Speaker 2>breath is everything.

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<v Speaker 1>This So this is I'll pick up on your point

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<v Speaker 1>there with what therapists use. Now, this is an actual

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<v Speaker 1>tool therapists use when they're counseling couples, the halt. Had

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<v Speaker 1>you heard of this before? No, not either, but the

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<v Speaker 1>halt theory, Yes, H A L T. When you are

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<v Speaker 1>any of these things, you should avoid a fight. You

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<v Speaker 1>should avoid a serious discussion when you're what robes and

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<v Speaker 1>it's halt. It's very easy to remember, isn't it ridiculous? Like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously remember this.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm laughing because this is so Yes, it's basic, and

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<v Speaker 2>it should be self. It should be something you like.

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<v Speaker 2>Self evident is the word I was looking for. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you, but it speaks to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you are h hungry, a angry, l lonely,

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<v Speaker 2>or t tired, you should avoid serious conversations. And you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, That sounds obvious, But I go back and

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<v Speaker 2>think about the times where I'm not proud of what

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<v Speaker 2>I said, or proud of how I acted or reacted.

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<v Speaker 2>I was one of those four things or all of

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<v Speaker 2>them combined. Yah, And on a so instant, I actually

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<v Speaker 2>would love statistics on this. How many fights happen on

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<v Speaker 2>Friday night? I bet you a lot of fights happen

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<v Speaker 2>on Friday night because you've just had a long week.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of folks we are I would say, lucky

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<v Speaker 2>to spend most of our time together, but a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of folks that spend a lot of time apart there

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<v Speaker 2>might have been built up resentments. They haven't had a

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<v Speaker 2>chance to talk about it. Friday night comes, you've stuck together,

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<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden it just comes out. And

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<v Speaker 2>you are probably hungry, angry, lonely, and tired at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the week because you've been dealing with a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of shit on your own. You're pissed about it,

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<v Speaker 2>you're exhausted from the week, and you probably haven't eaten.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's have a conversation about how our week went together,

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<v Speaker 2>where we have some bones to pick with one another.

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<v Speaker 1>Last thing you want, But it is fascinating rope. Everybody

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<v Speaker 1>understands this concept. Okay, understand that it's whatever rule, for

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<v Speaker 1>whatever reason that's been given to us. The upsides, though

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about it earlier, some people you know you

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<v Speaker 1>feel better. I can't sleep with this on my heart

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<v Speaker 1>on my brain and they need something resolved. Does that

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<v Speaker 1>make sense?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that the intention is a good one,

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<v Speaker 2>but it doesn't ever usually end with the result you

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<v Speaker 2>were hoping for. I mean, sometimes it can be, and

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<v Speaker 2>kudos to people who can pull that off. But I

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<v Speaker 2>do feel like if the reason for the timing is

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<v Speaker 2>so I can actually sleep better tonight, it might not

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<v Speaker 2>end the way you want it to.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you would appreciate this on that point. About this

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<v Speaker 1>is what the therapists say, and it makes sense what

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<v Speaker 1>you hear, and everybody in a relationship, my goodness, ask yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>This robes. If you're anxious after you get in a

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<v Speaker 1>fight with the person.

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<v Speaker 3>You always anxious after I get into a fight.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's this. If you're anxious and they say about

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<v Speaker 1>the going this lay, I need to resolve this because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm anxious about my relationship. I'm anxious that this thing hasn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I relate to that completely.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's the thing that the therapists are saying you

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<v Speaker 1>should ask yourself about your relationship. What are you anxious about? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just because you have a challenge, you shouldn't be worried

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<v Speaker 1>that the relationship won't be there in the morning. People

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<v Speaker 1>in steady and calm and happy and solid relationships and

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<v Speaker 1>issue comes up. Okay, we have a problem. I can

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<v Speaker 1>sleep on it. I'm going to feel better in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, when I get up in the morning,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still gonna love him, still gonna love her, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna be Okay. We just got this thing. We

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<v Speaker 1>got it. It's not the end of the world. And

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<v Speaker 1>solid relationships understand that, and you should sleep just fine

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<v Speaker 1>at night.

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<v Speaker 3>Is the argument correct?

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<v Speaker 2>And I definitely can say that I am, and we

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<v Speaker 2>are at that place, but especially in early stages of relationships,

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<v Speaker 2>or I think at different phases where different things have happened,

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<v Speaker 2>where trust has been in some instances has been tested.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a scary thing. And I look, I think

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<v Speaker 2>I can speak to this. If you love someone so much,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to have that same love for yourself. If

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<v Speaker 2>you don't love yourself as much as you love the

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<v Speaker 2>person you're with, you have an imbalance and you are

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<v Speaker 2>going to have to investigate why you feel so needy

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<v Speaker 2>or anxious or concerned. It might be the relationship itself,

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<v Speaker 2>it might be the person you're with. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes it's important to take those feelings and use them

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<v Speaker 2>for self reflection and self examination and ask yourself, why

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<v Speaker 2>do I feel so needy? What is it that I

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<v Speaker 2>think this person should be doing for me or to

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<v Speaker 2>make me feel better? And I think when you can

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<v Speaker 2>make those really important self reflections and truly get curious

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<v Speaker 2>about why you feel the way you feel, it will

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<v Speaker 2>only help improve your relationship with that other person. And

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<v Speaker 2>so I just I think that anytime you're feeling those

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<v Speaker 2>strong feelings, it's it's your body telling you to do

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<v Speaker 2>some examination.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, look, I didn't know where it came from. It

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<v Speaker 1>sounded like something that a therapist or a counselor came

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<v Speaker 1>up with, this idea you should never go to bed angry.

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<v Speaker 1>Well stay here, folks. Maybe you already know it, or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you'll be surprised like us to find out it's origins.

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<v Speaker 1>And would you believe, yes, it's in the Bible. All right, folks,

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<v Speaker 1>we continue now. I guess breaking down or debunking to

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<v Speaker 1>some degree, this rule we all thought was written in stone.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're in a relationship, you do not go to

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<v Speaker 1>bed angry, or at least that should be the goal.

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<v Speaker 1>But certainly a lot of people do go to bed angry,

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<v Speaker 1>of course. But the Associated Press we saw a recent

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<v Speaker 1>article they just did in which they talk to therapists

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<v Speaker 1>who are saying, we need to get rid of this

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<v Speaker 1>idea because it's even it's unhealthy sometimes to think that

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<v Speaker 1>you need to stay awake until the issue is resolved.

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<v Speaker 1>It's midnight, we had a bottle of wine. It's been

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<v Speaker 1>a long week. You really want to do this right now, ropes.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so in our past, in our rear view mirror.

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<v Speaker 2>But early on that did happen, and I did. You

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<v Speaker 2>would hear me push.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I want to talk now. No, I want to

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<v Speaker 3>talk now. I want to I.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to get through this now, And always nothing. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't think of one time something got resolved and we didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>This didn't happen often, but the few times it did,

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<v Speaker 2>I always in the morning, I would wake up going, why.

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<v Speaker 3>Why did I insist? Because it's it's so.

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<v Speaker 2>Much clearer this morning. I understand so much better now

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<v Speaker 2>and I do think. I mean, we haven't had any

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<v Speaker 2>like that recently, but it's not to say it couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>happen again. But through experience, I really do feel like

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<v Speaker 2>and I love getting permission from a therapist to say,

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead, go to bed pissed off, but go to

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<v Speaker 2>bed pissed off knowing that things will get better in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning, knowing that you're gonna be able to have

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<v Speaker 2>a better, healthier, more rested conversation in the morning that

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<v Speaker 2>will actually be constructive.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's my go to. Now I can end all

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<v Speaker 1>of our fights by just saying, let's talk about it

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning. I don't care if it's nine am

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<v Speaker 1>when we have in our fights. Let's just talk about

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<v Speaker 1>it tomorrow morning. Now, because you have seen it work.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes in the moment, people just can't control themselves, so

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<v Speaker 1>we need to create another moment outside of this one.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's been working. Now, how I thought this

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<v Speaker 1>was a good This is a useful tip here. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a pro tip that they give for how you

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<v Speaker 1>can avoid I guess those moments of unsafety, those moments

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<v Speaker 1>where you don't feel like you can't express yourself, those

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<v Speaker 1>moments where of anxiety that you, I don't know, are

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<v Speaker 1>afraid to go to bed angry. They said, create habits

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<v Speaker 1>of communication to where ask your partner every day, how

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<v Speaker 1>is your day or how was your morning? Or how

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<v Speaker 1>did that thing go? Or even if they go to

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<v Speaker 1>the grocery story, do you have any issues getting done

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<v Speaker 1>to out? Did the god at the front desk bother you?

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<v Speaker 1>Or did that crazy lady at the checkout count I

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<v Speaker 1>should give your heart like what you're doing is creating

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<v Speaker 1>little habits and openings for your partner to be okay

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<v Speaker 1>talking to you when there is any issue, to where

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have to blow up at some big issue

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<v Speaker 1>that comes. It's constant communication to where you know that

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<v Speaker 1>your partner might be a little down, a little sad,

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<v Speaker 1>a little annoyed by something you did. It's just regular

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<v Speaker 1>check in. So I thought that was a good time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that exactly creates what people want more

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<v Speaker 2>than anything in a relationship, which is emotional security. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you feel like I can tell my or not

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<v Speaker 2>just I can tell my partner, but my partner cares

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<v Speaker 2>enough to ask me about what happened, and if I

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<v Speaker 2>share something bad that happened, he can be there to

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<v Speaker 2>comfort me. Or to at least, you know, give me

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of place where I can just vent and

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<v Speaker 2>knowing that you've got that person you can say anything

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<v Speaker 2>too and share anything with. When you stop sharing things

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<v Speaker 2>with your partner, when you stop feeling like you can

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<v Speaker 2>tell your partner something that happened to you bad, sad, scary,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a red flag. And it's not that it's not

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's surmountable. You can overcome it. You just have

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<v Speaker 2>to be aware of it.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you are starting to get to that place,

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<v Speaker 3>that is a warning sign.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, we need to do better at communicating and making

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<v Speaker 2>each other feel secure in each other's problems and issues

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<v Speaker 2>and just being willing to resolve them together. I ask you, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you're really good about asking me how my day went,

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<v Speaker 2>how I'm feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>There was something recently and I made sure I may

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it was your nails, or there

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<v Speaker 1>was something that seemingly was mineor and I made a point, Ah,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got to make sure I ask her how that went,

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<v Speaker 1>because it seemed like a shitty thing to do. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>even ask about your experience where you had just been

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<v Speaker 1>it actually registered to me. I remember this the other day.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think we don't spend a lot of time apart,

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<v Speaker 2>but we have a couple of times here and there,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it is a nail appointment. It's something as insignificant

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<v Speaker 2>as that, where we're hey, wow, I haven't seen you

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<v Speaker 2>in an hour.

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<v Speaker 3>How did your nails go?

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<v Speaker 1>Texting you in the bathroom? Hey, did you have a

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<v Speaker 1>good shampoo?

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<v Speaker 2>No? But those things do matter, and it may seem like, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>I need to Even if you have to tell yourself

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<v Speaker 2>to do it, it does make a difference.

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<v Speaker 3>It does make someone feel like that person cares about

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<v Speaker 3>me and cares about what's happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have to tell you or bother you with

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<v Speaker 1>some complaint. I have you gave me permission? You want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear how I'm doing, and this is how I'm doing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people just need permission. And I thought

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<v Speaker 1>that was a great, great tip. But I did not

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<v Speaker 1>know Robes there are some biblical origins to this rule.

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<v Speaker 3>I did not know that either.

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<v Speaker 1>Ephesians for twenty six and twenty seven. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>which version this one here in particular is, but it says,

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<v Speaker 1>and I quote, go ahead and be angry. You do

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<v Speaker 1>well to be angry but don't use your anger as

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<v Speaker 1>fuel for revenge, and don't stay angry, don't go to

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<v Speaker 1>bed angry, don't give the devil that kind of foothold

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<v Speaker 1>in your life. In Robes, there are some absolutely Christians

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<v Speaker 1>who adhere to the idea, Yes, you should get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of that anger in your heart because you leave an

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<v Speaker 1>opening for the devil.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a couple thoughts on that.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, I do think there's something to that,

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<v Speaker 2>because if you stay angry, what you start doing in

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<v Speaker 2>your mind, everyone be honest with themselves. You've been in

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<v Speaker 2>a fight with somebody, the more time that goes by

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<v Speaker 2>without you addressing it or without you having a conversation

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<v Speaker 2>about it, the more time it's all your side and

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<v Speaker 2>you continually and then up the demonization of the person

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<v Speaker 2>you're fighting with, where you start really and truly coming

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<v Speaker 2>up with things that validate your feeling and so whether

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<v Speaker 2>they're true or not. We all have a lens through

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<v Speaker 2>which we see things, and if we're seeing things through

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<v Speaker 2>a lens of anger, it's us versus them, it's you

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<v Speaker 2>versus me, and then you just people even call other

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<v Speaker 2>people friends, family members and get them on their side

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<v Speaker 2>because you want to feel like you're right and they're wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not there to understand, to learn, to grow, to

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<v Speaker 2>come together. You're there to prove your right. So the

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<v Speaker 2>longer it goes, the more you get in that mindset.

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<v Speaker 2>So that makes sense, And yes, if that's the devil's work,

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<v Speaker 2>however you want to put it, but it leaves open

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<v Speaker 2>the opportunity for you to grow further apart, for you

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<v Speaker 2>to feel more justified because you have to your egos

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<v Speaker 2>telling you I have to prove there's a real reason

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<v Speaker 2>why I feel this way and there to blame instead

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<v Speaker 2>of being introspective and saying, huh, I wonder why that

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<v Speaker 2>triggered me. I wonder what in my past made me

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<v Speaker 2>so sensitive in that moment, Like that's something we very

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<v Speaker 2>rarely are willing to ask ourselves after a fight, or

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<v Speaker 2>after an argument or after a disagreement. But that is

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<v Speaker 2>actually the healthy way to look at it. Yes, someone

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<v Speaker 2>could have said something inappropriate, but you also have to

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<v Speaker 2>acknowledge that you might be sensitive to something based on

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<v Speaker 2>your past experience.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not going to get that clarity Friday night, after

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<v Speaker 1>long week's work and you're hungry and you just had

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<v Speaker 1>two martinis after work it's just you are not it's

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<v Speaker 1>not a good time to do it. But I thought

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<v Speaker 1>that was interesting. I did not know it had those leanings.

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<v Speaker 1>So and again, we don't give that advice. So I

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<v Speaker 1>can tell you what works for us. We can tell

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<v Speaker 1>you what therapists sae. But yeah, there are plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>folks out there who still adhere to that rule and

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<v Speaker 1>certainly say it's a good one to try to at

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<v Speaker 1>least aspired to you.

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<v Speaker 2>We had such amazing conversations in our love Story series

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<v Speaker 2>last February, and from a licensed therapist who deals with

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<v Speaker 2>couples therapies to other folks who just gave their anecdotal

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<v Speaker 2>experience of fighting. And I think everyone said they went

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<v Speaker 2>to bed angry at one point or the other.

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<v Speaker 1>How many couples did we do, I believe, I think

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<v Speaker 1>exactly said.

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<v Speaker 2>But a couple of them had really cute, cool ways

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<v Speaker 2>of dealing with it. For instance, I remember one couple

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember who said what said even if they're angry,

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<v Speaker 2>just putting their foot on top of the other person's

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<v Speaker 2>foot in bed, just let that person know, Yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>still pissed.

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<v Speaker 3>At you, but I still love you. You don't have

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<v Speaker 3>to say it.

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<v Speaker 2>But just that act of and you and I have

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<v Speaker 2>done this holding hands, even if we're not in a

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<v Speaker 2>great place, you reaching out me reaching out to you.

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<v Speaker 2>It actually warms my heart, It relaxes my body.

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<v Speaker 3>I know that we're going to get through it.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's just a small gesture that has a huge impact.

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<v Speaker 2>So just a physical touch in any way, small as

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<v Speaker 2>it might be in that bed. You don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>actually make up or figure anything out, but that is huge.

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<v Speaker 3>And I just I thought that was cool. And we

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<v Speaker 3>watched I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think it was merrit at first sight, and we were

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<v Speaker 2>laughing because I think this is almost impossible. There was

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<v Speaker 2>a therapist who suggested, I think it was doctor Pepper,

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<v Speaker 2>that while you're fighting you hold hands. Yes, because it's

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<v Speaker 2>like you can disagree and you can be angry, but

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<v Speaker 2>by the mere act of touching, you're still saying we're

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<v Speaker 2>in this together and I love you without having to

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<v Speaker 2>say it, but you can still express your feelings. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's a really really he's.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a pro. That's a difficult exercise. That is a

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<v Speaker 1>difficultcause it doesn't allow you space to actually be angry.

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot love you after you just hurt me and

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I love you, but I don't can't

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<v Speaker 1>be loving the expression of you can love me but

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<v Speaker 1>not be loving. Oh oh my goodness again, doctor Pepper,

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<v Speaker 1>she's a pro. That's a tall I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>throw that out there.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that the form of.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be in bed in a quiet moment. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you just touch, and that is just like it's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be okay, and it almost always is. But I love

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<v Speaker 2>that we all have permission to go ahead and be

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<v Speaker 2>angry and.

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<v Speaker 3>Deal with it in the morning. I like that strategy.

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<v Speaker 2>We hope you do too, And thank you for listening everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>I may be robot alongside TJ.

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<v Speaker 3>Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.