1 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Heyst Gottli, welcome into the All Ball Podcast. Don't forget 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: to subscribe. Great and oh yeah, by the way, he's 3 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: gonna listening to the Gottli Show and do exactly the same. 4 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: Coming up, Grant Hill I sat down with Grant Hill. 5 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: Um I we talked injuries and Kawhi Leonard and what 6 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: it's like to getting ducked into Hall of Fame, but 7 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: also kind of does he harbor any anger kind of 8 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: at his body or a doctor's for not being able 9 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: to maybe fulfill his destiny. Is one of the all 10 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: time great players, although like now you're a Hall of Famer, 11 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: so you're one of the all time great players. A 12 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,639 Speaker 1: really hard one. But also I think you'll be interested 13 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: to hear what he says about Kawhi Leonard and how 14 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: he believes Quie Leonard should battle through these injuries. Speaking 15 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: of Hall of famers, ray Al and eventually will be 16 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. Um, I'm gonna talk to him 17 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: about his iconic shot in Game six of the NBA 18 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: Finals with Lebron. Also talked to him about his time 19 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: with the Boston Celtics and why what was like when 20 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: they first got together, what it's like to play with 21 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: those guys. Why it didn't end well? Why those guys 22 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: don't like him? Now? Why he didn't he know showed 23 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: obviously for Paul Pierce's retirement Trisey retirement ceremony. And I 24 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 1: also I'm gonna ask him the question that we kind 25 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 1: of have to ask, which is, hey, do you played 26 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: against Sewart and you played with Lebron? Pick one? I 27 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: know they're different positions, but pick one, and I think 28 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: you'll be interested to hear his answer. I've got a 29 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: chance to know our next guest in working with him 30 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: and being the same location as in in doing some 31 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: of the same jobs. Obviously, just got done calling a 32 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: National Championship game for for Turner Sports. He's a seven 33 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: time NBA All Starties, first time All NBA, her first 34 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: team All NBA. He was All NBA four other times. 35 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: He was a Rookie of the Year, and of course 36 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: remember two time national champion and now he's a Hall 37 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: of Famer. He's Grant Hill. He joined us on the 38 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: Doug Golip Show. Granted, where were you when he found 39 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: out you're in the Hall of Fame? Doug? I was, 40 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: Actually it was it was the Wednesday before the Final four, 41 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: and it was my my kids spring break, so we 42 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: were in the Bahamas and m we were getting ready 43 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: to flide back to Florida and then I was gonna 44 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: fly on to San Antonio, and uh I got the 45 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: call um sitting pool side from John Deliva from the 46 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: Basketball Hall of Fame. Um, so I was. I was 47 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: relaxed and working on my pan when I got the call. Okay, So, 48 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,839 Speaker 1: I mean the they didn't ever, they didn't make you wait, 49 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,679 Speaker 1: nor should they have. There wasn't like a lot of consternation. 50 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: Obviously you're chilling pool side getting ready to call a 51 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: national championship game. Life is good. I mean, you know, 52 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 1: all honesty. Was there ever any thought, any doubt? Was 53 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: m a any worried that it might not happen this year? Yeah? No, 54 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: there was a lot of worries. Um. You know, I 55 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 1: think when they changed the rule this past year two 56 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: it used to be had to be five years removed 57 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: from playing, and they changed it to four years. And so, 58 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: you know, I knew then that Ray Island, I knew 59 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: that jameson Ray Island and Steve Nash then would become 60 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: eligible for the Hall of Fame. Of course, Jenathan and 61 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,679 Speaker 1: I retired at the same time five years ago. So yeah, 62 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: I mean there was you know, maybe some concern that, okay, 63 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: well maybe it won't happen. I figured those three were 64 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: a lock, and you know what, they take four of 65 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: us um, So yeah, I was you know, I wasn't 66 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: sort of automatically assuming that, and you know I was 67 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: concerned and U you know, so when he called, I 68 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: really honestly had an idea which way it would go. 69 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: What's that feeling? Like? You know, nothing there as you 70 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: for for that call, Doug. I mean, I mean you 71 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: you know, I mean you're playing you know, played in college, 72 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: and you know, when you're a kid, you're not thinking 73 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: about the Hall of Fame, and even as you continue 74 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: to sort of ascend and and and move up to 75 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: different levels, even as a pearl, I'm not thinking about 76 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, you know. I'm thinking about, you know, 77 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: trying to establish myself, trying to do well individually, trying 78 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: to do well as a team, whatever those personal, individual 79 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: and collective goals are. You're not really thinking about, you know, 80 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: the idea of of of making it into the hall, 81 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: and maybe not until the end, you know, when your 82 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: when your career is over and you start to look ahead, 83 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: and you know, so of what's next. That's you know, 84 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: if you're if you're fortunate to suit to be in 85 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: that conversation. Um, you know, you wonder he did I 86 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: did I do enough? You know, you know my four 87 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: years in college and then my six seven years of 88 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: really good NBA. Will people remember that or will they 89 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: just sort of see the injuries and sort of what 90 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: happened at the end? Um? So yeah, I mean those 91 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: were sort of sort of internal thoughts that I had 92 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: over the course of the last five years. You know, 93 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: Lo and behold, I was voted in So um, very 94 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: very excited, very fortunate. Um do you does this make 95 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: up for what could have been? Because and look, man, 96 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: you're on a trajectory as one of the all time 97 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: great college players to be one of the all time 98 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: great pros, and obviously, injuries just ravage your career, like 99 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: right in the prime of your career. Injuries, you know, 100 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: stole some of the best years of your basketball playing career. 101 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: Does this make up for that? You know? It it 102 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: lessens the blow? Um, you know, I think, if I'm 103 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: being honest, I mean it's weird. So when I was 104 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: going through all of that, when I was going through 105 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: my injuries, when I was unsure if I'd get back. 106 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: You know, it's a fight. I mean, you're fighting to 107 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: get back, You're fighting to to to you know, to 108 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: resume your career. And then once you get back, you're 109 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: fighting to stay on. You're you know, you're getting older, 110 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: You're you're you know, you're in your late thirties and 111 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,119 Speaker 1: mid thirties or whatever, and so every day is a fight, 112 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: and you really don't look back. You don't look back, Um, 113 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: you're looking forward. You know, what can I do to 114 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: see what can I do to continue to add value 115 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: to this team? You know, what can I do to 116 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: compete against people that are almost half my age? And 117 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: so once it's all over, you know, and then you 118 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: can sort of sit back and reflect. And and so 119 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: once I've sort of you know, retired in two thousand thirteen, 120 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,799 Speaker 1: and now you still look at your your complete body 121 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: of work, and you're you know, yeah, you know you 122 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: started at that point. I got in when I retired, 123 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: I got really sort of um frustrated maybe or disappointed 124 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: with what could have been. And uh is bitter a 125 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: word that that's I mean, were you. Were you ever 126 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: bitter towards the game or bitter towards your body or 127 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: what what? What's what's the actual emotion in you know, 128 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: like look on obviously much lower level. Right. My body 129 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: never let me down, my brain did. I got to 130 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: where I couldn't shoot in college. It always limited me 131 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: when I played overseas, and I couldn't make in the 132 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: NBA because I couldn't I couldn't get my mentally enough 133 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: over a shot. And by the time I did you know, 134 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: broadcasting just happened, right. I just I wonder what that's 135 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: like for you though. I mean here you were your 136 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: ATAG game, first team All NBA, and all of a sudden, 137 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: the injuries just it took away, like like right when 138 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: you're at your best, right we're at your peak, and um, 139 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: you know, in like the best spot for you. I 140 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: just I have you? Do you? I think every I 141 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: still think every athlete lives with some I'm sure Michael 142 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: Jordan's probably like, man, I should have played those other 143 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: two years that have played, I would have won eight titles, right, 144 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: even the best. I'm just wondering if there if a 145 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: bitterness was ever an accurate word, you know, I think 146 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: a lot of those feelings and emotions when I was 147 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: going through it, and you know, you know, you know, 148 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: as an athlete, you just always next play, next play. 149 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: So when I was going through my Orlando years and 150 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: I was missing a significant amount of time, yeah, I 151 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: didn't really deal with that. And I think I probably 152 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: dealt with it more once I retired. And so, um, yeah, 153 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: I mean better. I mean, I don't know if that's 154 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: the right word. Definitely disappointed, Um, you know, feeling like um, 155 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: And this is what's crazy. We at the time, we 156 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: could really dive into it, like all of this could 157 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: have been avoided. Like that's the thing that's so disheartening 158 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: and all of this is that, you know, it's not 159 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: like you know, Bill Walton, who you know, I've talked 160 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: to the hell and Bill has been believe a good 161 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: friend through my injuries and my ordeal and obviously he 162 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: dealt with a lot. But you know, Bill had problems 163 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: from the time he could, you know, first start playing 164 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 1: and high school and like he had issues of the 165 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: seat that played out throughout his entire career. I never 166 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: had issues with my seat. I never had injuries or anything. 167 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: And then I you know, something was sort of and 168 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 1: not to bring, you know, any sort of negative negativity 169 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: into this conversation, but it was mismanaged and I wholeheartedly 170 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: believe that this whole thing could have been avoided. And 171 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: and so when you look at it through that lens, 172 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: you're like, wow, like I could I missed out on, 173 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: you know, on some some great times. I was at 174 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: a point in my career and I was six years 175 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: in in the n b A and the game was 176 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: really easy, and I just I had really kind of 177 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: figured it out. I knew, you know, I just knew 178 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 1: how to dominate a game. I knew how to leave 179 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: an impact on the game in a number of different ways. 180 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: And I was hold was and I had a window 181 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: of the next four or five years where as good 182 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: as I was, I felt like okay, but like I 183 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: was on my way. I was even ready to take 184 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: another step. I thought my last year and Detray, I 185 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: took a big step, and you know, and that's that's 186 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: what's disappointing. It's like I almost feel like to get 187 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,239 Speaker 1: back to your initial question, like it was just incomplete. 188 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: And that's something that you know will probably stick with 189 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: me for the rest of my life. Well, listen, listen 190 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: there there's there's okay. So Kauai is kind of I 191 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: mean like, look, it's not your feet, you know, and 192 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: and and gms have always told me like feet hips back, 193 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: those are a lot harder in many ways than knees. Right, 194 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: like knees because people have been able to overcome knee 195 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: injuries like when feet or ankles, but those joints become 196 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: problematic that's when you know um. But there is a 197 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: little bit of that with Kauai. Right. Kauai is coming 198 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: into the prime of his career and he keeps saying 199 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: my body is not right, and the Spurs people are like, 200 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: what is if there's one thing you could go back 201 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: decision wise, you said this could have been avoided. There's 202 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: one thing you could go back. And because I'm you're 203 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: reasonable and and change that would have changed the course 204 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: of history with your body. What would have been I 205 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: would have listened to my body, and I would have 206 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: trusted my instincts. You know. I had a veteran early 207 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: in my career, Oltis Thorpe, you know, two time All 208 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: Star played at Houston, was on that championship team I 209 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: think in and I remember he used to tell me 210 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: sort of as this old veteran who's in parting wisdom, 211 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: he said, listen to your body. Your body talks to you, 212 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: and you just gotta know how to listen to it. 213 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: And I think through all that I went through, through 214 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: all this stuff with my ankle, my body was telling me, 215 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: but I was sort of trusting the expertise of others. 216 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: And I also think it was a different time, you know, 217 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: not not not trying to age, you dog, you know 218 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: you you're kind of close to me and age, so 219 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: you recall that. That's then it was a badger honor 220 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: to play all the games like you played through pain 221 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: like you play like nowadays. Um, you know, rest and 222 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: recovery are important, and I think practice is not as 223 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 1: hard and as molder guys from from my generation we 224 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: looked down upon that, but I actually think it's a 225 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: good thing. And I think part because of what I 226 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: went through and and so it was just your play. 227 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: You play, you play until you can't play, And I 228 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: did that and that caused me my initial injury, which 229 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: then you know, caused some other issues that you know, 230 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: basically four years of you know, of just not being 231 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: able to play. Um, you know that that's what I 232 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: went through, so you know, at no point that I 233 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: go against anyone's orders or medical community. I followed the 234 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: orders of the so called professionals, even when I think subconsciously, 235 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: even consciously, I knew I wasn't right, and if I 236 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: could go back, I would do plat door. You know 237 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: I have since I've gone through what I've gone through. 238 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: I always give a player the benefit of the doubt. 239 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: Players says they're hurt. Fine, they're hurt. The player has 240 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: been hurt and they're they're close to coming back and 241 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: they don't have peace of mind that I don't think 242 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: they should come back now. Like I say, I have 243 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: a whole different perspective, whole different set of experiences, and 244 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: that's why I think that way. So I wish that 245 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: I could have thought the way Kauai is thinking. I 246 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: wish I had, you know, somebody, I wish you know, 247 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: I wish it was somebody, or I wish it was 248 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: just me that could have protected me from me. Grant 249 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: Hill's our guests in the Dug Gotlip Show, UM one 250 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: of the outside of congratulating you and have helping you 251 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: tell kind of your story. I love this Choices Matter 252 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: campaign because it's it's obviously a huge problem in our 253 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: country how people manage their pain, and you know, with 254 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: the issue with old opioids, and it's something that you're 255 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: going you know, city to city, radio show to radio show, 256 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: TV show to TV show talking about this campaign. What 257 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: is choices matter and and how can you manage pain 258 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: without the use of opioids. Yeah, no, it's great. It's 259 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: sort of fitting considering what we were talking about it. 260 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: And I had ten surgery during my career, going back 261 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: to to one in college, and so I was you know, obviously, um, 262 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: you know, was an expert if you will, in this 263 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: and through the process of managing one's pain. Post surgery, 264 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: I was exposed to opioids and I never I didn't 265 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: have it just h in terms of you know, developing 266 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: an addiction. But I just didn't like the way my 267 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: body felt. And you know, as an athlete, you're so 268 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: into with your body, with you put into your body, 269 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: and so post surgery, I just didn't like it. I 270 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: inquired about it, I learned about it, uh, and I 271 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: learned about opioids, and I was, you know, very sort 272 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: of scared and and and um, just not liking what 273 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: what opioids are it was the only option you had 274 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: post surgery. You know, manage the pain, take pain, manage 275 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: and and you're putting this stuff in your body that's 276 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: really not good for you. Uh. And so at the 277 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: end of my career, I had a nast scope and 278 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: I was introduced to a non evasive non opioid UH 279 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: pain management procedure and basically they numbed your leg for 280 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: like four that last from or four days, and so 281 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: has UM you know, the difficult times of your of 282 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: your post surgery of a few days right afterwards in 283 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: terms of pain, you basically have a block on your leg, 284 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: and once that block wears off after four days, you know, 285 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: the pain has subsided. So I didn't have to take 286 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: any opioids, and to me, it was UM. It was 287 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: probably the most pleasant postop experience that I had. UM. 288 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: And So with the issue being a problem here in 289 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: our country, with the overprescribing of opioids being an issue, 290 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: I just really want to let will know as they're 291 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: considering having surgery that there's another option and they have 292 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: rights and they should inquire with their medical professional, their doctor, 293 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: the surgeon about UM, the non opioid post surgery pain 294 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: management solution and because look so much to the opioid 295 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: us has become has come from you know, over over 296 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: prescribing and uh. And so I just feel like the 297 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: choices matter of campaign is important. We have an epidemic 298 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: going on right now. This is a way to sort 299 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: of make some change. I think a lot of patients 300 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: and they say one O one out of every three 301 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: patients as people who are considering surgery are worried about 302 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: their post surgery pain management because of opioids and uh. 303 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: In so anyway, I was unaware of it, so a 304 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: doctor may be aware. And I just think every person 305 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: who's considering surgery should should at least have a discussion 306 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: about it with you know, with their is prior to 307 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: to to being operated on. Well grant, I was I 308 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 1: was a fan for a long time watch you win 309 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: both your national championships. Got a chance to be a colleague, 310 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: and I hope you consider me a friend. I really 311 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: appreciate you joining us more than congratulating you to hear 312 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: this choice is matter campaign, because it does. It is 313 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: a big problem and there is a way to avoid it. 314 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. And again, congratulations on being elected. 315 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: To the Nasmith Memorial Hall of Fame. Hey, Doug, I 316 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: appreciate you definitely our friend, and thanks for having me 317 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: on and I'll come on any time. Good, good enough. 318 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: Grant Hill, of course called the National Championship for Turner Sports, 319 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: partial owner of the Atlanta Hawks, and oh yeah, by 320 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: the way, now a Hall of Famer. Ray, thanks so 321 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: much for taking time with this. There's a lot I 322 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: want to get into. Um, there's some back and forth 323 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: with you and some fortunate former Celtics. I want to 324 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: ask your thoughts. I'm playing with Lebron James, winning championships, 325 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: the Celtics and the Heat. But let me there. There's 326 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: over a lot of discussion up until I think the 327 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: start of this year when you're finally like, look I'm out. 328 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to come back. How was 329 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: the closest you came to coming back and playing the 330 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: past couple of years. I wasn't that close. I never 331 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: really officially talked to anybody, and you know, maybe visitor team. 332 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: I know there was speculation on teams thinking that they 333 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: wanted to bring me in. Other than that, there was 334 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: nothing real official. I I was actually you know, wondering 335 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: is somebody was gonna like woo me to get off 336 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: the couch. Other than that, it was like there was 337 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 1: no like serious offers made. So I just kind of 338 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: what about my business. Um, let's let's let's start more 339 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: at the beginning. What I think many people miss about 340 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: you is how a unique upbringing, right being being a 341 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: military brat. Um, you moved place to place to place, 342 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 1: and I was always told kind of basketball was your 343 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: refuge and that you know, look, it's it's hard when 344 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: you're my kids have moved. It's hard in terms of 345 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: establishing relationships. How much of being a military brat, uh, 346 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 1: you know, being born on an Air Force break base 347 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 1: and moving around, how much of that made you drove 348 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: you to basketball because it brought a sense of normalcy. Well, 349 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: it wasn't just basketball, because when you grew up on 350 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: a military base, you you you play everything like you 351 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: have the ability to. You know, we all have a 352 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: youth center that all the kids have the options to use. 353 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: Um and through the youth center, you sign up for basketball, baseball, soccer, football, 354 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: and every sport. You know, when one the championship game, 355 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: d you know, you krown and winner, and then the 356 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 1: next sport may start two weeks a week two weeks later. 357 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: So you know, you would be friended or paired with 358 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: your teams or your friends on certain teams, and sometimes 359 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: you play against them in different sports. So I had 360 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: the availability to play everything. And that's what I always 361 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,479 Speaker 1: try to teach my kids to, especially when they're at 362 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 1: young ages, to allow their muscles to develop so they can, um, 363 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: I'll ultimately let the sport choose them. So you know, 364 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 1: from me in the military, you know, sports in general 365 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: was my refuse because I knew that if I competed, 366 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: you know what kid is not like on the playground 367 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: that wins, you know, So for me, I just went 368 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: out there and you compete, and you wanted and you 369 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,479 Speaker 1: know I wanted the kid who got picked last at anything. Um. 370 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: Jim Calhoun is is somebody that I know helped helped 371 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: perform you as a basketball perennial All Star, ten time 372 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: NBA All Star and a surefire Hall of Famer. Um, 373 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: but he had it kind of I always was marveled 374 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: at the fact that kind of like I played Freddie 375 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: Sutton at Oaklahoma State and and he would do some 376 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: similar things where he wouldn't coach everybody the same. He 377 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: understood how to get more out of certain players, and 378 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: he was somebody who kind of privately challenged you, didn't 379 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: he Yeah, I mean he really did it, and he 380 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: publicly did it. You know, nothing embarrassing, but um, you 381 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: know in front of the guys. That's one thing too 382 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: to learn how to coach everybody, uh singular league, but 383 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,479 Speaker 1: you got to know how to coach the group as 384 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: a whole, and there's got to be accountability to everybody, 385 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: and he did a great job of that. So we 386 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: all knew that we were held to the same standards. 387 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 1: But he didn't have to be raped me or yell 388 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: at me, or you know, do anything crazy because he 389 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: knew how to motivate me. He knew I wanted to 390 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: be great, he knew I wanted to do more, and 391 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: so he would always know how to push my buttons 392 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: a small little ways. And ultimately that is you know, 393 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: great coaching for me, because then the my teammate he 394 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: had to yell at a little bit, and I got 395 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: a little and they you know, you just used to 396 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: dealing with different personalities different ways. But when we screwed 397 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: up as a team, we all had to run it 398 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: wasn't like, you know, he gave me special considerations because 399 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 1: I was the lead scoring the team. Yeah. I think 400 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: that's the one thing I've always I found remarkable about 401 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: your rear and how it's contextualized now. Is I think 402 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: people remember because the shot you hit in Miami, because 403 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: of all the shots you hit in Boston. I do 404 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: think that people, and you tell me if I'm wrong. 405 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: I do think people seem to forget that you were 406 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: a dominant scorer in Milwaukee with a really good team 407 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: in Seattle the average with twenty six and a half 408 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: a game UM and and lead the league in scoring 409 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: when you were when you were in Seattle, like because 410 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: you you you changed your roles later in your career 411 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: to win championships and became more of a defender and 412 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: shooter instead of you know, an all around score Sometimes 413 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 1: it has diminished a little bit the all around scoring 414 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: game that you had. Is that? Is that a fair assumption? Nowadays? 415 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: We look at front of us, like you see you 416 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: know the kids now that talk about who the best 417 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: players of all times are. Did you forget who did 418 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: it back in the day, who did it ten years ago? 419 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: Who did twenty years ago? And the conversation is always 420 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: going to change. And you know, when I lived in Seattle, 421 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: my last the last like thirty games this season, I 422 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: was averaging somewhere around twenty eight points the game. And 423 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 1: then I got hurt and I was in and out 424 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: a couple of games, and then went down to So 425 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: I was scoring in different ways and the kids, you know, 426 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: I was, you're you're playing on the West coast, so 427 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: when the game is on the West coast, people are 428 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: deep into sleep. You know, my mom was on the 429 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: East Coast and she barely finished a lot of games, 430 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: but she stayed up for most of them. So until 431 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: I get to Boston, you know, I'm not on primetime 432 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: TV Boston. All of a sudden, I've become this well 433 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: known guy. For some people, they thought I just was 434 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: drafted because he's like he just came out of nowhere. 435 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: But I've been in the NBA up at this point 436 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: for twelve years, and so, you know, people for the 437 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: most part, forget that. So once I got the Boston 438 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: in order for me to win, and you know, myself, 439 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: Paul and Kevin, we knew that we had scored a 440 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: bunch of points. It maybe the All Star teams that 441 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 1: we were making great money, but norder for us to win, 442 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 1: we had to restructure how we thought about the game 443 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: of basketball and we had to allow this help. So 444 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: we had to win on the team's terms and not 445 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: on the terms of us at the individual and think 446 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 1: about I gotta score. I still got to score the 447 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: most points. And that's the issue that you see with 448 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: a lot of guys when they're sufforming these super teams. 449 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: Are they willing to sacrifice and take less so they 450 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: can win more? Okay, So so take me back to that. 451 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: That's you know, it's it's two thousand seven, and uh, 452 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: you came off an incredible season, right, You broke Dennis 453 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: Scott's UM ten year old record for three point field 454 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: goals made in the season. Then you have you have 455 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: ankle surgery and you get you get traded to the 456 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: Boston Celtics. They acquire you to go with Pierce and 457 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: Kevin Garnett. Um. Well, when you first walk into the 458 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: locker room for training camp the next year, what was 459 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: it like? You know, everybody was excited. Training camp started 460 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: in a roll that that year, which was probably one 461 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: of the best things for us UM. I think that 462 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: every team should go away from training camp because it 463 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 1: gets us out of our local markets and distractions. You know, 464 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: if I stay home during training camp, I'm gonna simply 465 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: want to go home and see my family on a 466 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: day that I have offer in between practices or whatever 467 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 1: it may be. But we were in wrong. We couldn't 468 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: do that, so we we had to learn each other quickly. 469 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: So it was great that the NBA had us going 470 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: wrong to play against the Raptors in the wrong. So 471 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 1: we had, you know, the time, the downtime, we were 472 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: in the hotel, we were sitting outside, we couldn't sleep, 473 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: we were walking through the city like we were doing 474 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: so much. That allowed us to kind of catch up 475 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: on time law so we can get on the same page. 476 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: And you know, so everybody knew that they had a 477 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,239 Speaker 1: particular skill set that could help the team. And uh, 478 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: those days away from the distraction and being and the 479 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: and you know what, we come home to the media circus. 480 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: We were great or get acquainted with each other doug 481 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 1: Outlive Show. The book is from outside my journey through 482 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: life and the game that I love. The author is 483 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: the great Ray Allen. He's kind of have to spend 484 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: some time of this year on Fox Sports Radio. Um, 485 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: you write about that trip and you talk about the 486 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: fact that KG didn't like you dribbling, that Kg's personality 487 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: was a little bit prickly, and that he always kind 488 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: of wanted to one up people, even you know, demanding 489 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: that that he paid tabs because he tipped better. Um 490 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: what what do you remember distinctly about trying to understand 491 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: his personality and how to fit in with that team. Well, 492 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: it's I think early when we got together. Um, you 493 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: gotta remember me being in the Seattle locker room and 494 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: him being Minnesota. We basically with the alpha dolo in 495 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: locker room, and we're the ones that you know, speak 496 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: doner huddles, were the ones that you know, make decisions 497 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: or help the coach, and you know, do so many 498 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 1: differ and things. So you're used to telling young people, 499 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: you know, okay, this is what we need to do, 500 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: and everybody we need to come play tonight, and you know, 501 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: everybody needs to bring their game. Like now you're you're 502 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: in the locker room with with with three alpha dogs 503 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: and you're still used to your same protocols and how 504 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 1: you were because you had young players. So now we 505 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 1: have to figure out how to uh adjust and get 506 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: along with each other where you respect each other's face. 507 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 1: And it was that incident that I talked about my 508 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: book where I was dribbling and he didn't want me 509 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: to dribble, you know, and it was almost like he 510 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: was like telling me, you're not you know, you can't 511 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: dribble in the locker room. And I was like, well, 512 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: damn dude, I'm I've been. This is how I prepare, 513 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: you do, how you do when I do, I do. 514 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: And what I learned quickly is the compromises that have 515 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: to be made um in order to get to that 516 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,479 Speaker 1: that same page level. You know, if you don't make 517 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: those compromises, I sit here and we're just having this 518 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: tissing contest and then we're in for a long year 519 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: and it it explodes. And we see that a lot 520 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: of around professional sports because egos are aren't willing to 521 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: go away. That's what was for us. We learned that 522 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: it's there's no ego. We have ego to help this 523 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: team win, and you know, we do less and that's 524 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 1: going to help the team more. And that that was 525 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: no small little lessons to teach people and even players 526 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: in the league today like sign up with a team 527 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: and and and you know, to bring a new player in. 528 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: It's an all star like be ready to sacrifice more 529 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: than you ever did so that player can do more 530 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: for you and help you win. But but ray you 531 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: you know like that, like look you as a as 532 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: a grown up, as somebody who won championships. You're speaking 533 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: the absolute truth. But the other the part to it 534 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: that some of these guys don't really understand it is 535 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: like they've always been the star, especially now how we 536 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,719 Speaker 1: create these AU teams where you know, I've always been 537 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: the guy and if I'm not the guy, I go 538 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,239 Speaker 1: to a team where I am the guy. And if 539 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: I go to college, I'm only going to go to 540 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: college for a year to which I can be the guy. 541 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: And then you go to an NBA team and uh, 542 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: though you're not ready to be the guy, you only 543 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: want to go to an NBA team where you're So 544 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: it's like it sounds everyone says like I want to win, 545 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: but are you willing to sacrifice, you know, like you 546 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: did like averaging ten less points a game to win 547 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: a championship. There are not a lot of people that 548 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: are willing. They are like, yeah, I want to win 549 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: a championship, but I I want to still play my game. 550 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: I want to still get my shots, to get my touches, 551 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: get my minutes. Like it sounds really good. But the 552 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: user or what Chris Paul is doing this year, that's 553 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: the exception. The norm is guys think they can still 554 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: be them, only just add their superpowers to the superpowers 555 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: of others. Yeah, and to your point, you know, you 556 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: look at the transfers in college, you know, from schools 557 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: because things didn't go their way. It's like the parents 558 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: are letting their kids off the hook. And that's where 559 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: starting because there's this entitlement. The kids think that their 560 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: coach didn't play me enough, or I just didn't like 561 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: the way things win, so I want to transfer. And 562 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: that behavior starts with the parents at home, and then 563 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: it roles and it continues all the way if that 564 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: kid is fortunate enough to make it to the NBA. 565 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: But the one thing I will say is, yeah, you're right, 566 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: But if you're not willing to sacrifice, then you'll never 567 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: win anything. That's what winning is all about. Winning is 568 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: your ability to be a part of the team and 569 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: went on the team's terms, like yeah, you you'll make 570 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: the All Star team, and yeah, you'll score points, But 571 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: what at the end of the day do you want 572 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: to do? You want to retire from the game of 573 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: basketball and never have felt what it feels like to 574 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: hoist that trophy up. Because every player that's played in 575 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: in any sport watches every championship game in every sport 576 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: and you admire, you envy you, you you you're jealous 577 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: of that team that's winning because you you know, you 578 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: want that feeling. But you have to get out of 579 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: your own way, like you have to use your talents 580 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: for the good of the team and not for the 581 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: good of your individual skill set. Like it's not about 582 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: winning the championship, is not about making an All Star team, 583 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: it's not about making more money. It's about you doing 584 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: your job for that particular team. And then when you win, 585 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: then you have that discussion. But while you're there, you 586 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: have to figure out what you need to help that 587 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: team out and if you can do that, then you 588 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: put yourself on course on track to win. But for 589 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: the most part, you'll you'll see why guys ultimately don't 590 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: win because they're not willing to sacrifice. Um, why did 591 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: it answer poorly? With you and Rondo and and and 592 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: that crew. Um, well, Doug, I I signed a contract 593 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: with another team once I knew, um, you know, as 594 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: I was having conversations with the organization and they weren't, 595 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: you know, you know, moving in the direction that I 596 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: had hoped that we will move in and to be successful, 597 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: that it was time for me to move on. And 598 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: I knew it, and um, you know, I had a 599 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: conversation you know with uh, with Danny Ainge, and I said, 600 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: you know, there's certain things that you know, we need 601 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: to prove on, you know, around our offense, you know specifically, 602 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, he was like, I I agree 603 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: with you. I wish I could disagree with you, but 604 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: I agree with you, and I'll take it, you know, 605 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: back to the coach and see what he says. And 606 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: then what came back was I need just like I 607 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: just said, it worked against me. He said, you need 608 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: to do what we need you to do as a 609 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: team if you want to be a part of this. 610 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: If not, that you need to move on. So that 611 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: was my Those were my marching papers because at the 612 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: end of the day, if you're not gonna I want 613 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: to win two. But I see the things that we 614 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: need to improve on and if we're not, if you're 615 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: not gonna address those so we can prove them, then 616 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: you know you've you've made my decision for me, right 617 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: because because the way in which it's it's painted, it's 618 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: painted that you chose to leave a championship team. But 619 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: but the truth is that you guys were aging. They 620 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: had they had started to bring you off the bench, 621 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: they had changed your role and um and and so 622 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:57,959 Speaker 1: so it's it's not like you guys had just come 623 00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: off a championship and you decided to leave and go 624 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: the heat. There was a lot of other kind of 625 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: um ancillary issues that went with the decision, more so 626 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: than just I want to leave this team and I'll 627 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: go to a competitive competing team. Fair. No, I'm I'm 628 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: I'm New England through and through. You know I still 629 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: live in Connecticut. You know that was my home. I 630 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: didn't want to go anywhere, and I think that playing 631 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: against me. So when it came time to negotiate contract, 632 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: I was against the guy that they left the least 633 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: amount for. So by the time I get ready to 634 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: go or to negotiate, you know, there's there's little to 635 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: no room wiggle room whatsoever. So once you know, based 636 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: on all the conversations about the future team and then 637 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: contractually you the writing is on the wall. Okay, so 638 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: my tenure is up as the Boston Celtics. Time for 639 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,719 Speaker 1: me to move on. So once I move on, now 640 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: I have to figure out where I'm moving on to. 641 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: That's how the process works. So my choices were the Clippers, 642 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: the Miami Heat, Minnesota of the Wolves in the Memphis Grizzlies. 643 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: Those are the four teams that we're interested in my services. 644 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: In that same breath, the Clippers then just signed Jamal Crawford, 645 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: so then I had I was down to three and 646 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 1: this is how fast free agency works. On June one, 647 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: team started contacting you and telling you, hey, we love 648 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:19,800 Speaker 1: to have you come in and visit. We'd love to 649 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: have you on our team. And that's what we do. 650 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: Now by June July three, you can start signing contract. 651 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: So as guys are signing contract, I got three teams 652 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: now that are telling me they're interested in me that 653 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: I have to figure out, you know, what's going to 654 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: be the best situation for me. So that's how you 655 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 1: ultimately end up deciding. Because free agent happened. So fast 656 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: and once ties were basically severed between the team that 657 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: I was hoping that I was going to stay with, 658 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: and you figure, what's the best option forward? So you 659 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,439 Speaker 1: play with Miami Heat, with Miami Heat and with Lebron James. 660 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: What was what's the give me the difference in locker 661 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: room tone, in leadership style, in you know, the the 662 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: position the Big three? How how was it in Miami 663 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: as opposed to how it was in Boston? Well, I 664 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 1: mean you see the same similarities and and you know, 665 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: routines and have its guys getting in and doing what 666 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: they need to do with the consistencies. Um, the as 667 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 1: old as we were in Boston, only we had a 668 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: lot more prosper uh. So UM, I think I think 669 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: it was tougher for Supostra in um in Miami because 670 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: you've got Mike Miller like thing to play at all 671 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 1: those guys, you know when you know there's no point 672 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: uh throughout the last couple of years. Um, you see, 673 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 1: those are all the same similarities between you know, all 674 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: those you know, both teams that I played on, and uh, 675 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: you know, same thing, just small little uh philosophical difference 676 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: defensively different words, but you know, still the same stuff. Uh, 677 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: the shot you hit against the Spurs. I mean, like again, 678 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: like there's a lot of things you accomplished. I mean 679 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,359 Speaker 1: you you won a gold medal. You know, you won 680 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 1: two NBA championships with you know, one with the Boston Celtics, 681 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: one of the two most iconic franchises in the sport. 682 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 1: But you have one of arguably the top ten moments 683 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: maybe in the history of the NBA. UM. I know 684 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: you practiced that shot probably ten thousand times, and that 685 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,959 Speaker 1: you are somebody who people emulate in that you would 686 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: lay on the floor and get up and run back 687 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: to the three point line. You knew exactly where you're 688 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: supposed to be. But what do you what are what 689 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 1: are your recollections of that shot? Game six NBA Finals? 690 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: My recollection is really just I thank God that you know, 691 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: I'm on the right side of this whole conversation as 692 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: opposed that we say or talk about how I didn't 693 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:04,839 Speaker 1: make it. And you know, my life has been health 694 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: since then, and I can't go anywhere, my kids can't 695 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,240 Speaker 1: go anywhere. I'm glad I'm not having that conversation, of course, 696 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 1: But what I do think about is the reason that 697 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: I'm we're not having that conversation because I was afraid 698 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,839 Speaker 1: of that, you know, my whole career. You know, once 699 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: I started playing deep in the playoffs, I was sold, 700 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: like afraid of being a guy that let his team 701 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: down and the guy that people are talking about, you know, 702 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 1: the reason why the team lost, you know, turning the 703 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: ball over mission a free throw. So I We're going 704 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 1: to the gym, you know, and just kind of do 705 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 1: everything possible to to get my body prepared. Like I 706 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: was obsessive. You know, I came to and the lifting 707 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: my legs. I need to have the list of my legs, 708 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 1: and any hiven time, I need to make sure that 709 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: I pushed my body into different places, you know, so 710 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,879 Speaker 1: I can rely on it. You know, the fourth quarter 711 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,280 Speaker 1: is winn it's winning time. And like I put myself 712 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: up against any anybody in the fourth quarter because I 713 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: knew that my body was gonna stand up, you know, 714 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: even when everybody else would get tired. The game war 715 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 1: on there, the fatigue was setting in, but I was 716 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 1: training myself for those fourth quarter moments. All the running 717 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 1: I've done, you know, whenever I traveled throughout the year, 718 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 1: I would you know, leave the hotel, go to the 719 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: health club, or run in the cities. When I got 720 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,879 Speaker 1: in I would bring my bike with me at times, 721 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,800 Speaker 1: and I'd ride through the city. Like I always believed 722 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 1: I was doing things that other people weren't doing because 723 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,800 Speaker 1: when that time came in the fourth quarter, I was 724 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 1: gonna be able to stand up and and endure longer 725 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,319 Speaker 1: than everybody else was going to be able to. Uh, 726 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: last thing, Um, Michael or Lebron. You obviously played against Michael, 727 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: You played with Lebron, And I know they're different, and 728 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: I know it's a it's an impossible it's it's an 729 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 1: impossible comparison to those of us who know and love 730 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,919 Speaker 1: ball because they're two completely different players. But it's still 731 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 1: the debate that maybe only you can settle Michael or 732 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 1: Lebron pick one. Yeah, yeah, because I certainly has spanned 733 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:12,799 Speaker 1: the the decades, uh and and played against both of them. Um, 734 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:18,360 Speaker 1: what what I will say is the generations. You know, 735 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 1: I said this a little bit earlier, like, you know, 736 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 1: we're nostalgic about the people that helped grow us up, 737 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,840 Speaker 1: and you know, now the kids are growing up, and 738 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: you know, there's questions like how good was Michael Jordan's like, 739 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 1: you know, fifteen years ago, that was never a question 740 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: because these people that were growing up understood and they've 741 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 1: seen him real time. You know, they've seen him in 742 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: games and was just highlights. Everybody picked out the good stuff. 743 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 1: But you could see highlightsing and stuff all the time. Uh, 744 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: Lebron is he'll go down, is you know, the most 745 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: dominant player in his generation. But what I've seen, you know, 746 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 1: I to I says value. You know, Lebron is an 747 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,919 Speaker 1: incredible player to stop, He's dominant. But what I see 748 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 1: and MJ was MJ did not have a weakness at all. 749 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 1: Like all the players that played against him. We tried 750 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 1: to do whatever we can and Nicks tried to beat 751 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,520 Speaker 1: him up. You try to keep the ball out of 752 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,320 Speaker 1: his hands a lot of times, but whenever he got it, 753 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,279 Speaker 1: it was incredible what the things that he could do 754 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 1: with it. And you know I, you know me personally, 755 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 1: you know I, I say MJ is is the best 756 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 1: of all times? Um. And you know the game has changed. 757 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: It's not about statistics, UM, It's just about the when 758 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 1: you look at the player, what they are capable of 759 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: doing on the floor. You know, the from the three 760 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,879 Speaker 1: point line to mid range, to post up two free 761 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,319 Speaker 1: throws to the defensive end, like you just you kind 762 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 1: of throw all that into play, and you know, I 763 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,720 Speaker 1: think you know MJ was hands down, uh leaps above 764 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: everybody else in the league. Ray Allen, the new book 765 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 1: is My Journey through life and the game that I love. 766 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,880 Speaker 1: It's available on Amazon. One of the all time grades 767 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,320 Speaker 1: when two NBA championships, of gold medal and a surefire 768 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, Ray, I'm I'm so happy that you 769 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,320 Speaker 1: found happiness in retirement and then you're letting other people 770 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,360 Speaker 1: read about your your basketball life and your journey. I 771 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thanks for having me on next week. I 772 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 1: think you'll really really enjoy the content as we dig 773 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,400 Speaker 1: in on the NBA playoffs, we dig in on the 774 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 1: NBA Draft, and a couple of great things lined up 775 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,680 Speaker 1: for you. Thanks for listening. All By H.