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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is mick Shot

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Speaker 1: screening live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the official

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Wolves,

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Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola and we are what just over two

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Speaker 1: days away from the start of the National Football League

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Speaker 1: Draft on Thursday evening. As we have a little later

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Speaker 1: edition of mix Shots on this Tuesday, because it's a

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Speaker 1: post press conference version of mix Shots says we found

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Speaker 1: out a lot over the course of the last hour

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Speaker 1: or so. I'm Bill Jones with Everson Walls and Mickey

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Speaker 1: spagh and it is a great week because we are

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Speaker 1: two days away from finding out who the next Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys are going to be, and the Cowboys the last

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Speaker 1: twenty four hours are been saying goodbye to one of

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Speaker 1: the best that have put on the Cowboys star in

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Speaker 1: Sean Lee. So so much to get to over the

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Speaker 1: course of the next hour. Let's start with you, every son.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing as you are primed and ready

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Speaker 1: to go right now. I have on my McCarthy jacket

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Speaker 1: here ready to do some coaching. I have a little

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Speaker 1: reporting to do you know via your instructions, mister Jones. Ready,

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Speaker 1: I'm ready to go with what I believe will be

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Speaker 1: the next Dallas Cowboy in two days. All right. I

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Speaker 1: can't wait to hear it, because if you recall a

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Speaker 1: week ago, I gave a homework assignment to ever Son

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Speaker 1: about you know, he's got that coaching gear on now

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Speaker 1: because there's gonna be a quarterback the Cowboys are going

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Speaker 1: to take in the first round. Maybe we shall see.

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Speaker 1: Don't think it'll be a tight end. We shall see, Mickey.

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Speaker 1: Inside the SWBC Mortgage studios there at the Star in Frisco,

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Speaker 1: you were on site as Jerry Jones, Steven Jones, Mike McCarthy,

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Speaker 1: and Shawn Lee address the media. Yeah. I think when

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Speaker 1: it finally concluded, I wrote down one oh six, not

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Speaker 1: a minute in six seconds. It was an hour in

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Speaker 1: six minutes that we were in there. But I thought

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Speaker 1: it was pretty informative. Now, there was a lot of

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Speaker 1: I don't know that there was any a lot of

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Speaker 1: talk to try to mislead anybody, but I think we

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Speaker 1: got some pretty good insight into what the Cowboys are

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Speaker 1: thinking about, how the preparation has gone, and just what

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Speaker 1: not only everybody thought of Sean Lee, but what Shawn

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Speaker 1: Lee thought of playing for the Dallas Cowboys. And I

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Speaker 1: thought it was so Sean Lee. Uh, he was pretty funny,

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Speaker 1: you guys. Before the press conference, when I was walking

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Speaker 1: down the hallway where our offices are, he was coming through, uh,

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Speaker 1: and he had had his coat on and uh hair

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Speaker 1: he was walking through and I said, well, you're ready,

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Speaker 1: You're ready to go sit on the beach, and he goes, Look,

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Speaker 1: you don't realize that before I got here, my hair

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Speaker 1: was down to my shoulders. I could be a beach

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Speaker 1: buff very easily. So, Uh, he was in a pretty

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Speaker 1: good mood. And he was thanking everybody and only Sean Lee,

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Speaker 1: right because before the press conference start, he went out

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Speaker 1: on the on the field where the guys were working out.

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Speaker 1: And the guys he was thanking were the weight and

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Speaker 1: conditioning coaches, Uh, the the ball boys, Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: for him. And I'll also with all the guys in

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Speaker 1: and his wise cracks for eleven years and just helping

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Speaker 1: had the PR Department post yesterday by thanking everybody and

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Speaker 1: what it meant to play for the Cowboys. So boy,

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Speaker 1: if you can find another Sean Lee in the draft,

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Speaker 1: a guy of his character and what he's meant to

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Speaker 1: tenth pick this year, no doubt. I think you'd be

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Speaker 1: hard pressed to find a more respected member of not

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Speaker 1: only the team but the organization than Seawan Lee. And

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Speaker 1: a lot of it has to do with his work

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Speaker 1: ethic that he put in the law before he walked

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Speaker 1: You know, last night I posted I retroitted a video

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Speaker 1: Seawan Lee plays in his career and especially on those

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Speaker 1: And it really you know, I went back in my

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Speaker 1: Big Green Notebook from twenty ten where I first discovered

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Speaker 1: Fan Club. You know, he actually he actually ran at

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Speaker 1: But it was a game against the Eagles, and it

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Speaker 1: might have been twenty sixteen when he finally played all

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Speaker 1: the season. The Cowboys defense played well against the Eagles,

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Speaker 1: so I need to look the game up. But after

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Speaker 1: Cowboys were stealing their signals, and my response to it

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Speaker 1: at the time was, no, Sean Lee was studying all

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Speaker 1: night long. He didn't steal anything. He knew exactly what

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Speaker 1: by watching your formations and knowing the plays that were

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Speaker 1: getting ready to come. That's how good his preparation was

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Speaker 1: But his preparation for the game may have been the

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Speaker 1: I remember that game. In fact, it was back when

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Speaker 1: I found it on YouTube and I tweeted it out.

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Speaker 1: Go to CBS eleven Bill Jones and you can watch it.

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Speaker 1: It was a seven and a half minute video that

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Speaker 1: was produced by the Penn State Athletic Department, and it

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Speaker 1: And I thought he made a wise decision. In Everson,

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Speaker 1: I want you to talk about when you decided that

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Speaker 1: happened with me when I went to Gramming State University.

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Speaker 1: The players there, the coach Eddie Robinson, challenged me so much.

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Speaker 1: Horn or famous whatever fan you a if you're a

431
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 1: Saints fan. Joe Horn pulls the cell phone out of

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00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: the I don't know what a hell he hit the

433
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: cell phone, but the post yeah, that gold post pad.

434
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: He makes a cell phone call after he scores a touchdown,

435
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 1: which was I don't know if you kind of call

436
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 1: it cool. I call it kind of idiotic. But you know,

437
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: that's just depends on your taste. So when you're talking

438
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: about these guys, Patrick certain to me seems like the

439
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 1: obvious pick. And that's simply because he checks all the boxes.

440
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: He went to Alabama. You're talking about guys going for

441
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: national championship every year, so you know he's a winner.

442
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: We've already kind of uh dipped into the Alabama pool

443
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: with Treyvon Diggs from from years a couple of years ago.

444
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 1: Last year. We saw how that turned out. We saw

445
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: the potential that he had as a player, but not

446
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: much else. I think Patrick Curtain is a little bit

447
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: more uh well rounded. I think he's a little bit

448
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: more school. I think that he's a little bit more

449
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: aggressive mentally in regards to how he approaches the game.

450
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: Bill I'm sorry, I'm getting my coaches mixed up. But

451
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 1: the coach for Alabama, I'm blinking here, Saban Nick Saban.

452
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: Nick Saban loves him to death because he realizes that

453
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: he is professional material. I think he was around five

454
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,959
Speaker 1: eleven six feet tall. I think that's a generous assessment.

455
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: He's running the slowest I've seen it runners a four

456
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: or four or forty from what's been reported. So, like

457
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: I said, he checks all the boxes. His physicality based

458
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,479
Speaker 1: on his size is not bad. I wouldn't. I wouldn't

459
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: give him a Mark Collins from the New York Giants,

460
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: who was my collegue, my Super Bowl teammate. But he

461
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: is one of those guys that you can say he

462
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: could come in and make plays right away. Comparing him

463
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: to Jay see Horn now Jac Horne. The difference with

464
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: him is he opted out right the year before his

465
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: senior year, and uh, he he played this year. He played.

466
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: Both of them played this year. I thought he had

467
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: opted out. Caleb Filey opted out. There you go, Caleb

468
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: Farley opted out. But the thing that you see about

469
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 1: jac Horn, uh, he has more of a wide receiver

470
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: look than even his father has. He's big, he's strong.

471
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: The guy has ability out of this world. As a

472
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: matter of fact, he's the guy that they put on

473
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: everyone wins. At South Carolina State, he covered the tight

474
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: end for Philadelphia. I'm sorry for Florida. He was assigned

475
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: to play against Pitts uh that entire game and Kyle

476
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: Pitts will tell you he was the toughest defensive player

477
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: that he ever had to go against. That's saying a lot.

478
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: When you're taught about Kyle Pitts being the stud of

479
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: the draft, and I saw some of those videos. He

480
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: made things extremely difficult for Kyle Pitts in that game.

481
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts is no small guy. He is a true

482
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: tight end with athleticism. And you're looking at jac Horn

483
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: who was pitting up against him for most of that

484
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: ball game. Yes, Kyle Pitts caught some passes on him,

485
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: but I think jac Horn is one of those guys

486
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: that can be used all around. You know, you're talking

487
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: about the linebackers with Core Moore, you're talking about your

488
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: boy from Pitts State. When you start talking about how

489
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,959
Speaker 1: they check all boxes as well and how diverse they

490
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: can be, you can put them at any spot on

491
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: the field. That's the way Jac Horn is. He's a

492
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: defensive back that you can play all over the field

493
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: against tight ends and wide receivers. So to me, that

494
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: gives him Kylivin I think a little tick above Patrick

495
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: Surtan to say, and if I was gonna pick either

496
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: one of these go right, Okay, here it is. You're

497
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: gonna make your pick right now, Okay, you're gonna make

498
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: We gotta have a build up here, man, because because

499
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: I'm hearing you ever Sin And at first I thought, well,

500
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: he's going to certain. I mean he's obvious. I mean

501
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: we're using words like, oh, he's an obvious pick one.

502
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: And now I'm hearing all this. I'm hearing all this

503
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: jac Horne, and I'm sitting there going, you know why,

504
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: I think he may be going with Jay C. I

505
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: can't wait to hear who your pick is. All right. So,

506
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: with the tenth pick of the twenty twenty one National

507
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: Football League Draft, Everson Walls of the Dallas Cowboys selects

508
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: drum rolls, Jeremiah Oh, Whoosu Koramoa? Jeremiah Oh, Who's Karamoa?

509
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I love these cornerbacks. We have great we

510
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: have decent deepensite backs already. But you asked me who

511
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: I was gonna pick. Aside from giving me the homework,

512
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: I did my homework on the defensive backs. Great kids,

513
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: But if I'm gonna pick for number ten, it's gonna

514
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: be that brother, that African as Ron as Ron Splazer said,

515
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: he gonna bring that African soup bone with him when

516
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: he comes to play. That's the guy that I'm gonna

517
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: pick from my player. If I'm gonna pick number ten

518
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry, guys, then that's it. I'm sorry. Linebacker

519
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: with the linebacker, We've got to go with the linebacker.

520
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: That's my dude. Well, and then, and the thing about

521
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: that linebacker, he's not a traditional linebacker, Jeremiah, you're catching

522
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: me here, Bill. That's why, because he is that hybrid

523
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: to where he could be a strong safety used a

524
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: lot like Let's remember Darren Woodson came out of Arizona

525
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: as a line back. You know, you start looking at

526
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: guys like I mean here. To me, he is Sean

527
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: Lee without the experience. He is that guy that can

528
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: shoot the gap. He's that guy that can make a

529
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: play without an offensive lineman even touching him. To me,

530
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: he is that guy. He is Troy Paulomalu. He is

531
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: that guy if you teach him the right way to play,

532
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: just hone in on his natural instincts, okay, and make

533
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: sure that he's able to play ball on the professonal

534
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: level by being a little bit more poised. That's my way, Everson.

535
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: Let me ask you because I agree with you. And

536
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: here's the interesting thing about that, because here it is,

537
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: we're leading up to this draft and you got nine

538
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: thousand mock drafts out there, and it's like in that

539
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: mock draft community, Ousu Koramoa, well he's projected in every

540
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: mock draft. All the so called experts say, well, he's

541
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: a fifteenth best player in the draft or the twentieth

542
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: best player. And so if the Cowboys where to select

543
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Usu Coromoa with the tenth pick in the draft,

544
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: you realize how much criticism the Cowboys are gonna get. Oh,

545
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: how can you take him with the tenth pick in

546
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: the draft, Because there's this school of thought out there

547
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: in the mock draft community that, oh, he's not a

548
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: top ten pick. But I'm telling you, when when I

549
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: look at him and and and if I hadn't seen

550
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: any mock drafts or whatever, I would say he's right

551
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: there in the mix at number ten. I'm with you.

552
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: I love everything about you. You don't get you don't

553
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: get the Dick Buckets Award by being a bump. Okay,

554
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: you just don't. You just don't get that he's He's

555
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: acc play of the Year, and you know you're talking

556
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,239
Speaker 1: about being that with Clemson and those guys. I mean,

557
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, this guy also checks all the boxes. And

558
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: the only reason I didn't pick Posses I think Posses

559
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: will be gone. I really do, because Cossons, to me,

560
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: is there more of the the perfect stereotype a linebacker.

561
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: He is Dick Buckers as a linebacker. But we need

562
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: someone that can do more than just play linebacker. We

563
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: need somebody that can possibly blow up plays in the backfield,

564
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: which I'm sure Pausles can do as well, but we

565
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 1: also need guys that can be back in coverage, making

566
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: plays in the secondary. He still has a lot of

567
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: work to do in that regard. He only got one

568
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: career interception. But when you look at the force fumbles,

569
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: you look at the fact that he's always around the ball.

570
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 1: He's looking forward to making plays. He's not sitting back

571
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: waiting to make a play, and that was our problem

572
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: last year. And that's why I think that he needs

573
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: to be our guy. And you know what about what

574
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: that pick kind of leads into. If we listen closely

575
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: to what Steven had to say, what Jerry had to

576
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: say about the draft on how the number ten pick

577
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: is a sweet spot, and you kind of listen if

578
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: the phone is ringing, because if they indeed find a

579
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: deal to drop back a couple picks or two, then

580
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: one of those two corners is going to be there.

581
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: One of those two linebackers that Everson just talked about

582
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: is gonna be there. It's just not enough rooms quarterbacks too, exactly.

583
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: And and to pick up something for your trouble. And

584
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: as I keep saying, if somebody wants that tenth pick

585
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: for a quarterback, then they're gonna pay the price for

586
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: a quarterback. They're not just saying, wow, this pick is

587
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: worth this or this pick's worth that they're giving me.

588
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: We're switching spots in the first round. They're giving me

589
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 1: a second or third this year and next year's first

590
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: because if you look at what the teams that traded

591
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: up into the top ten to get a quarterback, they

592
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: were giving up first round picks next year two. So

593
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: to me, that tenth pick is worth a lot. And

594
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: Stephen talked about how important having picks are and that

595
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: allow you to move around in the draft. So if

596
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: if if they feel like you do about the corner

597
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 1: the both corners, both linebackers, and let's not forget about

598
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: the cornerback from um Newsome, the quarner. I was trying

599
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: to remember where you Greg Newsom from northwest, northwest northwestern. Yeah,

600
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: he kind of fits into that cornerback if indeed you

601
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: do need a cornerback. So they did not shy away

602
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: from the fact that trading up was probably out of

603
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: the question, but trading back might be a possibility. Well,

604
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: and it kind of takes you back two. The Cowboys

605
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: had two first round draft picks in two thousand and five,

606
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: took to Marcus Ware and Marcus Spears. How did they

607
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: get those two draft picks? They traded the year before

608
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 1: they had the twenty second pick in the first round.

609
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: They traded out Buffalo rated up and gave him a

610
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: number one pick the following year, and Buffalo took a

611
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: quarterback Jp Losman that year. It was who they took

612
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: in two thousand and four. They gave them a second Yeah, exactly,

613
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: and so and so now now you see how this

614
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: see that's the thing on these quarterbacks at the top

615
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 1: of the draft. I mean, supposedly five quarterbacks are going

616
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: in the top eight picks or whatever. It might be.

617
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: You know, well, all right, we'll see what happens, what

618
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: San Francisco decides at number three, whether it's Mac Jones

619
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: or Trey Lance or justin Fields, and then we'll see.

620
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: But if one of those guys is still available when

621
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are on the clock at number ten, the

622
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: Cowboys are in a great position right there with the

623
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 1: way it should play out, you would think so. So Everson,

624
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: Let's say, if it came down to picking between Sir

625
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: tan or Horn, who would your pick be? Jc? I'm

626
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: with you. I'm with you. It's just when I saw

627
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: him going against Pitts, that really, uh solidified things for me,

628
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: because Sir tan Is is a guy, you know, he's

629
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: like like me, just a cornerback basically, Uh as far

630
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: as I see him, especially his size, Uh, to me,

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00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: Jac Horne just he is a he's he's a physical

632
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: player when you're going up against Pitts. And that's what

633
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: swung it for me when I saw him going up

634
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 1: against Pitts and Pitts a many and he wasn't just

635
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: trying to be a nice guy or whatever, and you know,

636
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: maybe that friendly or whatever of the off the field. No,

637
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: he talked about jac Horne and as far as being

638
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: one of the toughest players that he's ever gone against.

639
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: And that's the defensive back we're talking about. Thought was uncoverable?

640
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: Happened that at pittsaid or not? If if I read

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Speaker 1: one more thing about this guy, it's like he's gonna

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Speaker 1: be the last tight end, you know, like the last

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Speaker 1: picture show, that's gonna be last tight end ever, you know. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know. The way I look at it on Certain

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Speaker 1: and Horne, I really really like Certain, but I love

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Speaker 1: j C. Horne, I mean, and what sold it on

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Speaker 1: me for me because I don't know football like Everson

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Speaker 1: nos football as far as especially playing cornerback, and you know,

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Speaker 1: and all what sold it for me on j. C.

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Speaker 1: Horne is just hearing his interviews and seeing videos of

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Speaker 1: him interacting with his teammates and things like that. He's

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Speaker 1: got a he's got like a Michael Irvin type personality.

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Speaker 1: That is, it's a contagious personality. Has he hasn't Everson

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Speaker 1: Wall's confidence about him. Uh. And he's outgoing. I can

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Speaker 1: see him and take nothing away from Certain, but he's

656
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Speaker 1: are more of a quiet guy. And and and again

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Speaker 1: I really like Certain and he's probably he's the more

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Speaker 1: polished player right now. I think you mentioned Everson that

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00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 1: Horn looks like a receiver. Well he's got obviously, he's

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Speaker 1: the son of a Pro Bowl receiver and he played receiver.

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Speaker 1: He was later to the party as far as learning

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Speaker 1: how to play cornerback. So I think he's got some

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Speaker 1: upside there as well. But I can just see he

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Speaker 1: can be a guy who can who can impact the

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Speaker 1: locker room and the culture of the team in a

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Speaker 1: greater way. Uh. Just sick through his personality and he's

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Speaker 1: got a dogged determination about him that I really think.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you, I'll tell you what bill uh. And

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Speaker 1: that's one thing, you know, as I became a veteran,

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Speaker 1: there were certain things I was asked to do that

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Speaker 1: I had never been called on to do. And one

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Speaker 1: of them was trying to check some tight ends. And

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Speaker 1: you know, it's a different story when you're trying to

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Speaker 1: cover some tight ends on third down. They got me

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Speaker 1: covering big Big Jackson from Philadelphia, Keith Jackson. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: had a great game against him, but that was a

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Speaker 1: I had to, you know, adjust my mindset to trying

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Speaker 1: to cover not just a tight end. I mean this

679
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Speaker 1: is one of the best tight ends in the game

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Speaker 1: at that time. And so when you're talking about the

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Speaker 1: ability to do something like that, every cornerback can't do that.

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Speaker 1: And when I saw JC doing that, it really brought

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Speaker 1: back some memories as to how important it is for

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Speaker 1: you to be as diverse as you can. I coach

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Speaker 1: some dbs every once in a while as a few

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Speaker 1: camps over the summer, and my number one thing I

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Speaker 1: tell him is, you know, when somebody calls on you

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Speaker 1: to say, hey, I need a safety out here, but

689
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Speaker 1: you're a cornerback. You don't say, oh, I'm not a safety.

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Speaker 1: You say I'm a safety, even though you all cornerback.

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Speaker 1: Because the more you can do, the more you can do,

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Speaker 1: not just for yourself before your teammates. And so I

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Speaker 1: when I saw him with Pitts, I thought that you

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Speaker 1: reminded me a lot of what guys like myself had

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Speaker 1: to do and some of the bigger cornerbacks I've always

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Speaker 1: had to do. We have to compromise for our team,

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Speaker 1: and I think jac Horne is prepared to do that,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I think Mike McCarthy might agree with you,

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Speaker 1: because he had a quote saying finding the guy that

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Speaker 1: go gets the ball is a premium. We want to

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Speaker 1: be more aggressive, play more man than zone. So it

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Speaker 1: I bet it's an interesting discussion upstairs between the two guys.

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Speaker 1: You probably would be okay with either one of them,

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Speaker 1: but U there will be a segment arguing for certain,

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Speaker 1: and there'll be a segment arguing for j. C. Horne.

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Speaker 1: I bet it's a great discussion. If we could listen

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Speaker 1: in on it, it is, and I would. I would

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Speaker 1: love to hear Mike McCarthy and what he has to

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Speaker 1: say about j. C. Horne considering his relationship with his

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Speaker 1: dad Joe Horn. And for those who aren't familiar, of course,

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy was the offensive coordinator for the New Orleans Saints.

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Speaker 1: In fact, he got that job. See Joe Horn was

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Speaker 1: a fifth round draft pick at Kansas City and McCarthy

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Speaker 1: was a quarterbacks coach in Kansas City. That was in

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Speaker 1: ninety six, and then Horne went to New Orleans. And

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Speaker 1: Horne didn't play much at Kansas City. He was made

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Speaker 1: two months after J. C. Horne was born, Mike McCarthy

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Speaker 1: became the offensive coordinator of the Saints, and over his

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Speaker 1: five years as a play caller with the Saints, Joe

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Speaker 1: Horn went to the Pro Bowl four times. He had

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Speaker 1: as his play caller. And so I would think, I

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Speaker 1: think it's very interesting to nowhere to find out where

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy stands on these two quarterbacks. You know, another

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Speaker 1: interesting part of that with Sir Ten, you know, I

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Speaker 1: Dan Quinn was Nick Saban's defensive line coach with the Dolphins.

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Speaker 1: Well that was in oh five. Well here's what ever

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Speaker 1: since this is here's what Nick Saban did. He takes

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Speaker 1: on Draft Day in two thousand and five, the best

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Speaker 1: player on his defense was probably Patrick Curtan. He was

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Speaker 1: a three time Pro Bowler, and he traded him away

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Speaker 1: to the Kansas City Chiefs. What makes that interesting is

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Speaker 1: then you fast forward a dozen years and Patrick Curtan,

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Speaker 1: the second is the top cornerback recruit in the country

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Speaker 1: and just before you go, before you go on break,

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Speaker 1: Just remember some Cowboys head coach fell in love with

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Speaker 1: right there. That's exactly right. Oh and while we're on

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Speaker 1: starts at six o'clock. Is that what you said, Mickey?

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Speaker 1: I believe I didn't say it, but I believe that's

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Speaker 1: All right, we got ten minutes left in the show.

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Speaker 1: We've already established that if if Micah Parsons were off

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Speaker 1: the board, Everson Walls would select Jeremiah Owusu coromoas of

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame with the Cowboys pick at number ten. Mickey,

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Speaker 1: who do you have as your as your favorite for

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys if they came away? With this player at

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Speaker 1: number ten, who would you be most happy with. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm sticking with Parsons, and I think there's a chance

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Speaker 1: Parsons he would be there. And I all I do

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Speaker 1: is go back to what I said last week. This

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Speaker 1: team gave up one hundred and fifty eight point eight

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Speaker 1: yards rushing a game. The cornerback's not gonna help me.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Now, maybe the scheme will, Maybe the scheme will,

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Speaker 1: maybe the often new defensive coordinator will. But I need

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Speaker 1: somebody that's going to help me stop the run. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: let me ask you this then, Mickey. If we're talking

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Speaker 1: about this year's team and we have Jalen Smith and

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Speaker 1: Layton vander Esh as your primary linebackers, where is this linebacker,

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Speaker 1: let's say, Michael Parsons. How is he going to be

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Speaker 1: utilized either three down bases either okay, either Parsons or

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Speaker 1: USU Coramo or my weak side linebacker. Vander Esh is

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Speaker 1: then Jalen Smith's on the strong side and I got

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Speaker 1: to keep him out of coverage and I can use

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Speaker 1: him maybe move him around as a specialty's pass rusher

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Speaker 1: to get something out of him, but they need more

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Speaker 1: production out that weak sideline. And I know Jalen Smith

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Speaker 1: led the team in tackles, I get it, but they

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Speaker 1: players when he's got to be in coverage. That's why

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Speaker 1: we were talking about Lockhart, right, That sounds the same. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he made a bunch of tackles, but you know, you

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Speaker 1: just needed something more. And that's the same way it

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Speaker 1: is with Jalen. You can talk about all the tackles

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Speaker 1: he made all you want. Where were those tackles made?

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Some of it is just

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Speaker 1: a matter of being dogged and determined not to let

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Speaker 1: or you'll chase a guy down or whatever. But there's

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Speaker 1: you know, within that five yard box or Heaven to me,

852
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: Heaven forget if you made it at the I was

853
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: gonna say it forbid if you make it at the

854
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. And see, that's what we think that

855
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: Parsons and and uh Jay Okay as they call him.

856
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: His friends call him Jay Okay. So that's what I'm

857
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: thinking about, Okay j j Oka. He would be that

858
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: guy that can make that play. Now, let's think about this. Also,

859
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: he can still play pass well. He doesn't get interceptions,

860
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: but he still plays well in space down the field,

861
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: and that's something that can make our zone more active.

862
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: We just need activity back there in our zone pass

863
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: And you know the other thing on him, even though

864
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: I think he played at two twenty, if you look

865
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: at his body type, once he gets here, if if

866
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 1: they want to play him as a true linebacker, he'll

867
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: play at two thirty very easily with no problem whatsoever.

868
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, so Bill, he's like, he's like Sean Lee. Yes,

869
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: he anticipates play, Yes, and he goes through unblocked. Now,

870
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: if they catch up with him, just like Sean Lee,

871
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,439
Speaker 1: you got problems as was a big old tackle coming

872
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: at you. But they are keen enough to read the

873
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: play and anticipate it and make plays in the bathroom.

874
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: I think he had like in his career, he had

875
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: like twenty six or twenty seven plays behind the line

876
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: of scrimmains. That's what starting just for two years, so

877
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: no plays for losses. He's good at that, that's what

878
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: you need. He had twenty four and a half tackles

879
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: for loss So, Bill, who do you have at number ten?

880
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: If you had your druthers, I've got I'm I'm going

881
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: to jac Horn. I like J. C. Horne, I'd be

882
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,439
Speaker 1: very happy with. And if not j C. Horne, then

883
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Woosu Koramoa is my guy and I would take

884
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 1: and I like Everson. I don't care what the mock

885
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: drafters say. I would take him at number ten as

886
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: long as my defensive coordinator, Dan Quinn is committed to

887
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: having a planning because you have to be more creative

888
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: in getting him on the field than a traditional linebacker.

889
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: And I'm confident if they made that pick that would

890
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 1: be that Quinn would be sold on him too, obviously,

891
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: But I want to know, Micky, are you the one

892
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: that's gonna go tell Jalen that he's not gonna be

893
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: on the field as much? You know? I think I

894
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: could have done it today because I think I passed

895
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: him in the parking lot. Maybe that's why he didn't

896
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 1: smile at me. Maybe he's been listening to mix shows. Yeah,

897
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:31,439
Speaker 1: well he's certainly not smiling at you. Now, Yeah, you've

898
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: got Micky. Do you have a clear eye view on

899
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: what you want to do? If they're a linebacker is

900
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: not taken in the first round, maybe in the second

901
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: or third round. Is there a linebacker that you like.

902
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's one I like, but I

903
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: there's one I guess I need. Right, they need to

904
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,919
Speaker 1: address the linebacker position. They need to address the back

905
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 1: offensive tackle position. And if you have a guy and

906
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: either of those on the second day, i'd have my

907
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 1: hand up in the air for him. Well, and I

908
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: was trying to set you up. I was throwing you

909
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: a softball to talk about your Missouri linebacker Nick Bolton

910
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: out of Long Star High School in Frisco, who I

911
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: really like. And he's projected to be a second round guy.

912
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: I would not at all be opposed to the Cowboys

913
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 1: taking Bolton. Uh, he's more of the traditional linebacker type. Yeah,

914
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: and he maybe a guy, real guy sneak into the

915
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: first round. You you don't have you don't have to

916
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: have a top Knox linebacker to be chosen in the

917
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: first round. The Colts linebacker see you Daris Linda was

918
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: he first round VAPI second second rounder. I'm surprised they

919
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 1: picked him that high, coming from an HBCU. You know,

920
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 1: my love hbc uses is evident, but the NFL doesn't

921
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: show him much love. And for them to pick him

922
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: that high, that's best good stuff. But comes in the

923
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 1: second round. A rookie of the year, defensive player of

924
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: the year, I mean, and is a leader of a

925
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 1: very underrated and dangerous Coats team. M so Bill the

926
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator Mickey in Indianapolis. Uh yeah, some guy, some

927
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: guy that was coaching linebackers here I think here, Yeah,

928
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: former Missouri defensive coordinator by the way, right, okay, okay

929
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: about that go here. He had a question, Um, I

930
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: was gonna what was I gonna? Oh? Um? So they

931
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: made it. They made it now right. They made it

932
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: sound like, you know, selecting an offensive lineman was uh

933
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: gonna be at some point in this draft of priority. Uh.

934
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 1: I like the fact that, uh they did point out

935
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: that if there was a first team second team right

936
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: right now, that Beotish is working with the first teams.

937
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: Somebody asked about resigning Joe Looney and they kind of

938
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 1: skirted that and talked about Beotish kind of be in

939
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: their center if they had to play. But I still

940
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: have no problem, and I think they need to do it.

941
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: Third round offensive tackle, somebody that could maybe put potentially

942
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: compete for the backup swing tackle spot as a rookie.

943
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: I think they need to go there. You know the

944
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: other thing that I didn't think of, and I did

945
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: it off the top of my head, but Mike McCarthy

946
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,919
Speaker 1: was talking about how you got to replenish your team

947
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: through the draft, and he said, we lost fifty five

948
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: years of experience. And I was trying to add it up.

949
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: But if you add up Tyrone Crawford, Sean Lee, help

950
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: Lads or Chris Jones, and I forgot if there was LLA.

951
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: If we're gonna if we're gonna add if we're gonna

952
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: add LP to it, let's take LP out of the

953
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: accust year sixteen years year. I couldn't figure out how

954
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: how I was gonna get the fifty five years right. No, well,

955
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton and Dalton Dalton was my fifth guy. Yeah,

956
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: Dalton was the fifth guy. But you he only gave

957
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: you one year of experience though, I'm sorry, no, but

958
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: he had He was talking about NFL. I understand that,

959
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: but he only gave you one year though. I'm sorry,

960
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: but they don't have that experience. Then back add up

961
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: the experienced back right now? What about what about all

962
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: the practice players that we and then cut. Come on, spags,

963
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: be we got a lot more. That's like, that's like

964
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: sixty seven years when you add all those guys though,

965
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: brow especially if you add Garrett Gilbert into that. Mine,

966
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: the practice squad guy, he's your backup right now. Well,

967
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: he's only got three years of NFL experience. Put him

968
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: in there. Throw him in there. Okay, here's another thing

969
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: as far as quarterbacks in this draft. I had Babe

970
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: Laufenberg on my show on CBS eleven on Sunday night,

971
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: and I tweeted at that interview out you can check

972
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: it out. But Babe Babe asked him, Okay, give me

973
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: a quarterback for the Cowboys to draft in the late round,

974
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: six or seventh round. And he is big on Shane

975
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: Boushell of SMU, not so big on Kellen Mond of

976
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: an M or Sam Ellinger from Texas. He thinks that

977
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: Shane Bushel of SMU is going to be a backup

978
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: quarterback in this league for eight to ten years, like

979
00:59:52,040 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: Colpe McCoy or Chase Daniel. So our babe. Oh no, no, no, no, nope,

980
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: not babe. I wasn't here, but I remember, babe, I

981
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: wasn't here, but I've heard about what babe did. And no,

982
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: we cannot put babe in it. Sorry, guys. I remember

983
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: I had to go with moms from an him too.

984
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: And we're talking about just being a backup for years,

985
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: A backup for years? Who you know? Let mean, come on,

986
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: what's the difference. He's on hold a clipboard. The key

987
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: to be the key to being a successful backup quarterback

988
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: is never having to play thank you. I almost finished

989
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: the sentence for you. That's what That's what babe messed up.

990
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: He actually played. That was the problem. That's right, right,

991
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: And he didn't have Alvin Harper to throw fade to

992
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: thank He should have, all right, And before we go,

993
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: I got one quarterback to throw at you as a

994
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: late round guy. Felipe A. Franks from Arkansas. He started

995
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: his career at Florida, and dug Us Meyer, the Cowboys

996
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: quarterbacks coach, was his He recruited him to Florida and

997
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: was his offensive coordinator at Florida the first two years,

998
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: and in fact, Franks started ahead of Kyle Trask. Kyle

999
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: Trask who as a Heisman finalist this year, he was

1000
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: also in that recruiting class, and nuss Meyer thought more

1001
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: highly of Franks back then that he not only started then,

1002
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: but then when Dan Mullin came in, he also started

1003
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 1: him over Kyle Trask, who is projected as a third

1004
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: or fourth round pick. And then on his own, Franks

1005
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: decided to transfer to Arkansas, and he finished up his

1006
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: career at Arkansas six six, two hundred and thirty five pounds,

1007
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: that's prototype size, and he ran a four to five nine.

1008
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah so, and he's got so he was a highly

1009
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: recruited guy out of high school. He's got a big arm,

1010
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: and he's my guy in the late rounds. The big

1011
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: green notebook keeps on giving. That's exactly right. I got

1012
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: a whole bunch more in there too. I wish we

1013
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: had more time. We've right out of time, right Well,

1014
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: next Tuesday we'll be back to wrap it all up.

1015
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: There's gonna, you know, Mickey, there's gonna be a whole

1016
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: lot that transpires between now and the time we get

1017
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: back together. For how many. How many draft choices do

1018
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: you think the Cowboys will actually use? Okay, I think

1019
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: that I'll probably eight, probably eight. I think what they'll do,

1020
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 1: I think I wouldn't be at all surprised in the

1021
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: second round they pull up DeMarcus Lawrence and take that

1022
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 1: second round pick, package it with a third, and move

1023
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 1: up either to the late first or early second to

1024
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: take a guy that they target they wouldn't otherwise make

1025
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: it to forty four, and then they'll figure out a

1026
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 1: way to get back up into the late third or

1027
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 1: early fourth, taking one of their extra picks to move

1028
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: up there to make up the difference there. But and

1029
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 1: I would be in favor of that. I think you

1030
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: got to target the guys that you want and go

1031
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: get them. And that's up they did with Sean Lee.

1032
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: I mean Shaan Lee. They moved up four or five

1033
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 1: spots in twenty and ten because they wanted to make

1034
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: sure they got it, because they had them ranked in

1035
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: the top fifteen and on their board. That's right, that's right.

1036
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna throw out they're

1037
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna have seven draft choices come out of

1038
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: this draft. You got seven. Yeah, okay, all right, And

1039
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: do they trade up or trade down or stay stay

1040
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: where they are? Oh, they're gonna stay where they are

1041
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: or down in the first and then in the in

1042
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 1: those other rounds, like you just said, they'll use some

1043
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: of that draft capital to move up if they see

1044
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: somebody they absolutely just want to have in like the second, third,

1045
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: or fourth round to make sure they get them. And

1046
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 1: that's why they ten guys. You draft ten guys. Ten

1047
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 1: guys ain't gonna make this team, right, so you might

1048
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: as well use that those picks to move up, move

1049
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: around and get exactly who you want. That same thing

1050
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: they did last year, and they got their starting center

1051
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: this year, Tyler beyond that exactly too. So okay, that

1052
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: does it for Mick, Shots for Everson and Mickey. I'm Bill,

1053
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 1: and we will see you again next week and have

1054
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 1: a great draft weekend everybody. This has been a production

1055
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.