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Speaker 1: rabbit at all. That's it, right, that's it. Not for

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Speaker 1: the program. Now, I know that listeners have grown accustomed

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Speaker 1: to the impeccable sound quality of this year digital radio program,

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Speaker 1: and that's gonna be a little compromised because we're in

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Speaker 1: a teepee tent in the rain. And I know this

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Speaker 1: has happened a handful of times throughout the history of

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Speaker 1: So if you're hearing a gentle pitter pattern punctuated by

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Speaker 1: loud gusts of wind, that is the weather of a

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Speaker 1: fog nack island, which not many folks have heard of.

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Speaker 1: But a fog nack is separated by a narrow channel.

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Speaker 1: Remember what's that channel called? You know? Uh no, not

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Speaker 1: from Kodiak Island and dirt here knows Kodiak as being

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Speaker 1: And they're out the other day picking up collars and

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00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: they go to where they had a grizzly or brown

426
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: bear the same thing. Um picking up a collar and

427
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: the collar is laying next to a elk carcass, a

428
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: big bull. So when his collar fell off, he was

429
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: in the in the act of feeding on a big

430
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: dead bull he had killed or found, Yeah, probably killed. Yes,

431
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: that leads me to a question, because he weighs twice

432
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: or not. I mean, he weighs like a lot more

433
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: than I mean, they're big with big bears. But it's like,

434
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: you know, lions will kill deer and elk a weigh

435
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: three or four or five times that they weigh. He's

436
00:26:55,000 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: not gonna care, no, I think that. I mean, I

437
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: definitely think that they follow those herds because it's it's

438
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: a food source. It's right there, and they'll eat other

439
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: things along the way. But if something happens, or especially

440
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 1: they're running now, I would imagine bulls get injured or

441
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: wounded or tired from running really hard, and they're bedded

442
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: up and they aren't thinking as clearly as they might

443
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: other times a year. So this time of year right

444
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: now seems to attract more bears, and there the elk

445
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: are making a lot of noise. So I think that

446
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: that's a an of audio que to the bears saying,

447
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: oh food over here. You know, they can smell them,

448
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: they can hear them, and he just attracts them. We

449
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 1: were one time, pulls it up on a glass and

450
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: tip watching a group of moose, and we went down

451
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: to me and my older brother went down and start

452
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: putting the moves on a bull that was in this

453
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 1: group of moose, and our bodies stayed up on the tip.

454
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: We're just observing from high above. And they saw a

455
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: grizz they come in while we were stalking these moose.

456
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: Agrees he came in and attacked calf. Really in the

457
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: group we're stalking, I mean, they're just in there, mixing

458
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: it up with big, giant freaking animals. Man, And if

459
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: he uses out eating grass eating barries, why not do

460
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: that in proximity to all these big, mewing, bellowing protein piles.

461
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: He's like, why not? You might have an opportunity to

462
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 1: get something a little better than grass. Yeah, it's like

463
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: you could drink. If you're single, you could drink at

464
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: home or drinking a bar. It's like, at least if

465
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: you at the bower, who knows something good might happen

466
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: to you exactly? You could be drinking anyways. Is there

467
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: a different have they done studies on like ratio of

468
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: plants versus like game protein on these brown bears versus

469
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: other regions like these much higher animal because they because

470
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: they eat so much salmon and they can't distinguish between

471
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: that or like dear or elk as far as Oh, oh,

472
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: I'm sure if you go and do yeah, I'm sure,

473
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: if you go and look at like the actual isotopes

474
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: in them, you would tell what they're eating. They can

475
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,479
Speaker 1: get a really detailed analysis on it, those like by

476
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: looking at like stabilized stopes. We were down in Salt

477
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: Argentina and my wife and we went to have you

478
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: ever heard of those children that the inca's Um would

479
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: sacrifice on mountaintops. They take them up, you know, fifteen

480
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: sixteen thousand feet and make these little rock holes and

481
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: just knocked the kids in the head and leave them

482
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: in there as sacrifices, and they would just basically freeze

483
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: dry in the high elevations. Well, yeah, we went to

484
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: see that. These this one in Salt Argentina. This now

485
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: in like a climate controlled thing in a museum. And

486
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: this it was a boy. He's so well preserved. I

487
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: can't know. There's three children. And they made a deal

488
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: with the indigenous people that they only display one at

489
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: a time, and why aren't even talking about this? Oh,

490
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to talking about this isotope. So they're

491
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: so well preserved. They had feathers in their hair and

492
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: the feathers are still perfect, and they still have coca

493
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: leaves dried on their lips. I mean, this kid looks

494
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: like he would stand up and walk away, but he

495
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: was killed and probably like around right like just pre

496
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: contact height of the Incan Empire. And it was three

497
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: kids they buried all together. There was a thirteen year

498
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: old girl and she had been hit on the head.

499
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: They were all full of of of alcohol, fermented like

500
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: a fermented potato drink, so they probably got them drunk,

501
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: left them up there. The girl probably realized what was

502
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: going on. Maybe they had to hit her in the head.

503
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: One of the kids was later struck by lightning at

504
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: some point. It's kind of burned a little bit. But no,

505
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: they're perfect. They're perfect, clothing, everything bottles perfect. But they

506
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: can by looking at tissue samples, they can tell that

507
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: these kids had for most of their life eating nothing

508
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: but potatoes, virtually nothing but potatoes, but in the last

509
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: months of their lives had an extremely varied enriched diet

510
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: as they were getting and also had hundreds of trinkets

511
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: from around the Incan Empire. So they're like taking them

512
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: around on this big tour of the empire, and we're

513
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: probably being fed fish and llama meat and all this

514
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: kind of stuff and giving all these gifts and partying

515
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: it up in order to then be taken up and

516
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:25,959
Speaker 1: left on the mountain. And so they're able to tell

517
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: not just like what it was eating, what they ate

518
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: throughout their life, with the sequencing of it. Yeah, well

519
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: that's so that does. I am curious then why these bears,

520
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: these brown bears on the fog neck, are so much

521
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: bigger than other bears that have the salmon protein and

522
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: the black tail and elk options. It has to be

523
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: some well you got like a genetic factor, because what's

524
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: interesting about these bears, they've been genetically isolated for ten

525
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: thousand years. There's been there's like they feel that it's

526
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: the islands far enough off the mainland. There hasn't been

527
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: any genetic exchange between these bears and other populations for

528
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: ten thousand years, so they're kind of off on their

529
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: own trip, right, And I think that you have phenomenal

530
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: marine resources, like very rich salmon resources and in a

531
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: large game and like great grass and it's a dry

532
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: area so they're much pressure. That's a trophy area as well.

533
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: But you know, the writer and the and the food

534
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: plays a huge part and that's why it is. Yeah,

535
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: but they're not I mean they're not. But the elker

536
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: introduced so that hasn't like changed. I mean, the bear

537
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: has been big for a long time. The hunting writer

538
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: uh and guide Tony Ross, he's got a he's got

539
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,719
Speaker 1: a book about grizzlies and brown bears and he talks

540
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: about that big board like an actual like food source.

541
00:32:55,120 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: An important food source for grizzlies is grizzlies. That the

542
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: older boars on these islands are full on praying on

543
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: cubs and it's like a food source for them. So

544
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: they're coming out of hibern nation eating grass for a

545
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: while and then devoting time and energy to just eating bears,

546
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: not to spread their genetics through breeding, but just for

547
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: a food source. That's the thing you hear all the

548
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: time that it's a it's a weird thing when it

549
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: comes like behavior and people talking about like genetic and

550
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: the reasoning what animals do. So boars tend to like

551
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: large boar, bear, black bears, grizzlies, whatever, tend to feed

552
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: more on bears than other bears do, and because it's

553
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: easy to do, they tend to kill cubs and eat them.

554
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: The thing that people say is that they're like, there's

555
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: a real there's a there's sort of a uh, a

556
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: sexual advantage or an adaptive advantage to the boar killing

557
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: the cubs, because the like when a female has, a

558
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: female will have her cubs in February or March in

559
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: a den. She'll come out of hibernathan with hibernation with

560
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 1: those cubs and will not be receptive to breeding. She'll

561
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: spend the entire summer and fall with her cubs, den

562
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: with them again, emerge from the den with them, and

563
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: then we'll become receptive to breeding that June July. Yeah,

564
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: so she's always skipping. She's always skipping a whole year.

565
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: Like a bear doesn't drop. It's like a deer that

566
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: will drop fun every drop cubs possibly every other year.

567
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 1: So when a bore, so if you look like a bore,

568
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: is the one going around doing the infanticide, the eating

569
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: of one's own offspringer one's own species. They commit infanticide,

570
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 1: the thinking being that that sound will come into rut

571
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: that year that year. So if he's out in April

572
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: and May austin off cubs, sALS that would not normally

573
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: breed with him are now going to become receptive to breeding.

574
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: He might breed him. And it's like, so advantageous of

575
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: a thing that seems like they will kill cubs that,

576
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: because of proximity to their home range, are very likely

577
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: their own cubs to rebreed that same sou. Yeah, so

578
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: it's like, but it's like you look at and be like,

579
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: so that's why the bear does it, but I don't, like,

580
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: you can't really don't really know like why the bear doesn't. Right,

581
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: It could be that the bear does it because he's

582
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: just big. He's not he can confront a sow and

583
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: not get killed buyer, because he's so much bigger than

584
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: she is, and he can eat the cubs. It doesn't

585
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: he doesn't need to get into a giant fight trying

586
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: to kill the sow, And a result of that is

587
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: that she becomes receptive and he breeds her. So it

588
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: would like reinforce that behavior. But it might not be

589
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: that the bears thinking huh, man, it's a bummer that

590
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: she's not gonna want to do it this summer. If

591
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: I eat her cubs, she'll become receptive and I'll be

592
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: able to pour the coals that were and have like

593
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: new offspring. So it's like when you say, like why

594
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: he does it, it's different than what the result of

595
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: he does. The geneticist Stephen Gould talks about that where

596
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 1: people like, look at a tree and like, bark's brown.

597
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,959
Speaker 1: What is the selective advantage of bark on a tree

598
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: being brown? And it might be like there is no advantage.

599
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: It's like, what is advantageous is that bark is thick

600
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: and protective. Maybe a result of it becoming thick and

601
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: protective makes it brown. But the brown doesn't do any

602
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: advantage for the tree. It's just some It's like some

603
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: random offshoot that doesn't really matter. So when you look

604
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: at like nature and you think that everything has a purpose,

605
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: something's are the result just or yeah, the result of

606
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: other issues like why do you salmon jump so much

607
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: into getting ready to spawn? Some people say it's because

608
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: they're trying to knock their eggs loose, which they have

609
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: a very hard time believe. And do you hear that. No,

610
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: I've never heard that they're trying to loosen their eggs act.

611
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: That doesn't make any sense. I don't know why do

612
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: they jump? There might be no doubt, only do he

613
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: have reason for the females. You start to come up

614
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: with the reason for the male and females jumping. So

615
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: when people are like why do they jump, and I'm like,

616
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know that jumping is really

617
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: doing them any good. It might be some other a

618
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: product of something that does make sense that makes them

619
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: have the tendency to do that, but it's not like

620
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: they're getting something out of it. So they can get

621
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: out of the water and see where they're going. Yeah,

622
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: bears up there, so yeah, the bears are huge and

623
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: that's a good point. So like the el we'll get

624
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: back to elk. But bears out here are drawing. This

625
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: is another draw I put in for every other you

626
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: only put in every other year. Every other year I

627
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: put in for nonresident non guided cody at counts. What

628
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 1: that means is anybody wants to help with a guide

629
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: can go anytime they want. No, they have to draw

630
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: as well. I'm pretty sure they draw Outfitter sponsored tag.

631
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: What you're gonna get, yes, something, yeah, something like that.

632
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: What's hard to get is it's hard for a non

633
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: guided resident to draw. And I can hunt here without

634
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: a guide because my brother is a resident of Alaska.

635
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: But that's a very difficult tag as non guided, nonresident.

636
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of outfitters sponsor. It's much

637
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: easier to draw a tag with a sponsored outfitter, like

638
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: their clients get preference. The resources managed the resource, the

639
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: Brownberry Resources managed to support the guiding industry in this area. Yeah,

640
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly how many tags they would get

641
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: or whoever gets the tags. I haven't really looked at. Well,

642
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: you have a you have a much money. If you

643
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: sign up with the outfitter, you have a much higher

644
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: chance of drawn then than a hunter host. But you

645
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the case of having a

646
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: much higher chance of drawing than a resident hunter. I

647
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: believe that it is, man because I could be. I

648
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: could because a lot of people. What's that you're in

649
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: the same pool you are, as far as I recollect,

650
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: we don't have the paperwork with us. I know it's

651
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: in my tent um because I've put in for uh

652
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 1: cheap tag in the chew catch. Yeah, but that's a

653
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: whole different place and thing. Yeah, but if it's uh,

654
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I honestly don't know. I don't

655
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: think that you're saying that there's a draw an outfit

656
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: or draw the outfitter. The brown Bear outfitters have a

657
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: quota all their own. Oh I'm not Yeah, I'm not

658
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: sure about that. I don't know. I would. I have

659
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: no cliff. So I put in a ton of times. Well,

660
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: every other years always be the spring hunt. So every

661
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: other year I put in for a non guided, non

662
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: resident spring Kodiak hunt and never draw it. Yeah, what's

663
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: a tough tag to draw? So yeah, that helps have

664
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: big gass bears. Then in an area where you're allowed

665
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 1: to kill, in a road accessible area where you allowed

666
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: to kill, where residents are allowed to kill two grizzlies

667
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: a year, it tends to put a crimp on the biggins,

668
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: tightens them up. Yeah. Now back to ELK. What are

669
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: your thoughts on the whole deal on the ELK here?

670
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: I mean, how do you come like what does it

671
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: compare like in your mind to like hunting Rocky Mountain ELK? Yeah,

672
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's similar to hunting elk in an

673
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: area where there's there's a big herd, but that one herd,

674
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:02,240
Speaker 1: you know, moves around. So there's a lot of similarities

675
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: between Rocky Mountain elk and these elk um you know.

676
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: I think the only difference is just the terrain that

677
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: they're in might be a little more open, well at

678
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: least or roar hunting. It might be a little more

679
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: open than some other elk areas. But what I noticed

680
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: both times is you don't really get those in Montana.

681
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: You might have five elk here and a herd of

682
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: twenty elk there, and these different basins. It's almost like

683
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: they all group up right now, and they're in one group,

684
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of no elk country. It looks

685
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: like there should be elk and you don't see anything.

686
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of miles in between where the

687
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: elk are, But once you find them, you're in them thick,

688
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: and then they might just be gone somewhere else. Yeah.

689
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: The bull the bulk of the of the normal like

690
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: Rocky Mountain elk hunting that I've done has been in

691
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: an area where in the firearms season, like during the

692
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: early archery season, they're pretty well dispersed. Yeah, but by

693
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: the time the late firearm season starts in late October,

694
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: they group up into these giant groups and it's like

695
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: hunting them kind of well. People talk about where is

696
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: the herd because you're chasing after these balls of three

697
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: four traveling together, and it means that there's one place

698
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: that has elk in a lot of places that don't,

699
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: which I have kind of grown to hate. It's terrible,

700
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: it really is. Because it's nice to get to go

701
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: up on a ridge and glass this valley and go

702
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: okay and think there's a possibility that there will be

703
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: an elk here, but if immediately there's either a hundred

704
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: of them or there's none of them, and that kind

705
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: of sucks. It makes it tough because you have to

706
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: travel a lot. It makes it easy to find them

707
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: when you're in the area where they're at, obviously, but

708
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: because you're not down to it's all that down time

709
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: in between, you're not gonna miss the ball out that

710
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: big no I mean socially, yeah, they'll be standing, they'll

711
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: be making noise, they'll be doing something, so you can

712
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: find them if you're in that close enough proximity where

713
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: you have a line of sight to them, but that oh,

714
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: I might bump one on the way there, and you

715
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: just you just don't. What's preventing us right now from

716
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: even hunting is rain and fog. Yeah, which you which

717
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: is like that's a factor everywhere, But fog is like

718
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: a peculiar thing of like the coastal environments, and there's

719
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: nothing that shuts you down as hard as fog shuts

720
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: you down. You need to be able to see. Rain

721
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: is one thing. If it's high cloud and it's it's

722
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: just wet, you can still figure out where they're at.

723
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: But when you're talking about going five miles and they

724
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: might be at the end of this and you need

725
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: to I mean, you're trying to run into one herd.

726
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: It just is not advantageous to do it when you

727
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: can see twenty ft we I was on a goat

728
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: hunt here in the Laska one time, hunting mountain golts,

729
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: and we hiked into an area that we knew to

730
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: have some and sat in the fog for three days,

731
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: just going insane. We actually found an old mining camp

732
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: and so we found a torch, a pro pain tank,

733
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: backpack that stuff back to our camp and we're like

734
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: spending time experimenting with heating rocks with a with a

735
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: weed burning torch and then bring the rocks into our

736
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: tent to see how warm we could make it. I mean,

737
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: just like honestly killing time. And then one day the

738
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: fog blows out and realized that the whole type and

739
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: sitting there it's just there are just goats everywhere above us,

740
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: like they would have been just there there the whole time.

741
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: There's no way to see them. Yeah. You well, if

742
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: you had a week of fog and you're hunting, you

743
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: could do in two hours of clear no fog what

744
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: would take a week of figuring in the fog? Or

745
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: more like we might Yeah, if we wake up to

746
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: my own clear it's it's gonna be like easya, you

747
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: gotta go, Yeah, you just gotta go. It's a different

748
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: it's a different game. What were you saying, The success

749
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: rate of that of the harvest of the Roosevelt's extremely low, right,

750
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: I yeah, I mean last the time. I think it's

751
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: a combination of factors. I think that people get the

752
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: tag and they don't hunt real hard, or they don't

753
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: want to or can't physically get to the animals and

754
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: get them back to and just don't show up and

755
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: don't show up. A lot of people wants to have

756
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: very low not just low success, but they have low

757
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: participation because it's to get out because you think like, oh,

758
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: I'll do like, I'll put in and then the more

759
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 1: you find out about it, distance, time, money, whatever, people

760
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: just like wind up like, uh, never mind. Yeah. Well.

761
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: The other thing is, if if I was someone that says,

762
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 1: you know, I'd really like to shoot at Roosevelt Elk,

763
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: I would suggest them not come here to do it.

764
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a million places that you could go,

765
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: and it would be a hell of a lot easier

766
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: to get to, a lot easier hunt, and probably more animals.

767
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: But it's just the fact of there's something different, it's

768
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: in a cool place, and not that many people have

769
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: done it, and you just so I'm just drawn to

770
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: give it a try. The first time I ever put

771
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: in for this, I had no clue about it. It It

772
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: was more of an accident than anything I put in

773
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: for everything else. So put in for Elk here, and

774
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: my brother called and says like, hey, we drew Elk tags.

775
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: I was like, what I forgot about that ship? I

776
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: better try to figure out where these things even are. Yeah,

777
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: I think that there's some things. There's just some like

778
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: there's something to a handful of people, like really seductive

779
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: about the idea of coming to this part of the

780
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: world and come to these crazy islands and these crazy

781
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 1: giant bears and hunting these giant damn elk call them, yeah,

782
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: because I mean they're aunts are actually pretty small, but

783
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: their bodies are huge. Yeah. They don't have big old no.

784
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: I mean the last one I got was a giant

785
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: like for this for Alaska, for the area, I mean,

786
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: a pretty large six by six, which I think is

787
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: you know, it was way above average. Um. But I

788
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: was pretty lucky to get a good bull like that.

789
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: And then we saw another one. My brother could have

790
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: got one, but we ended up calling in. When we

791
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: were trying to call the big bull, a small bull

792
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: came in and he just said that was it was

793
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: so cool to have that bull in his lap was

794
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: five by five. He just shot it. I was like,

795
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 1: all right, awesome, gave up on the big one. Yeah,

796
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: he just he was like, it was more about the experience.

797
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: We could have hunted and snuck in on the big one,

798
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: but to have that bull just come right in and

799
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: be calling and just that cool. I mean he just

800
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: looked cool and him the bulls screaming, and my brother

801
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: shot it pretty close. It was just a cool experience.

802
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: So you know, is it just about the experience, not

803
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: necessarily the rack or any thing, um. But yeah, I

804
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: mean it's you can go other places and hunt the

805
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: same species a lot easier, bigger ones or whatever. But

806
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: it's just something to try and doing different. Yeah, I mean,

807
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's a lot of people that. Yeah,

808
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of people say, oh, yeah, I

809
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: shot a knock on a fog knack Island. No. You know,

810
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 1: I think about like the participation success thing. Um. The

811
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: year earlier I was talking about, like John kind of

812
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: a similar like a similar sort of hunt, which was

813
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: the Copper River you know, bison hunt in Alaska. Remember that,

814
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: like that year. Remember they gave out twenty four tags

815
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: for that hunt and at the end and that's an

816
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: eight month long season. Wow, you can start hunt I

817
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: think sometime in September and hunt through March. Is that

818
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: eight months? No, it's a big long season, six months

819
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: long season, whatever it is, it's a long season. Well,

820
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna add it up right now in my head

821
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: it is, yeah, so so six months long season or

822
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: so yeah, because I can't remember the exact dates, but

823
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: like it's at least half the year long. Out of

824
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: the tags, only four people got one of the animals,

825
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: and I think the vast majority of the of the

826
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: holders never did it, didn't go, or they might have

827
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: gone and just said it's too hard, that's too far,

828
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: that's too hard. Well, that hunt you either got to

829
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: like you're you're either in it or not in. It's

830
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:32,879
Speaker 1: kind of like this one. There's no way to come

831
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: and do a light version. Well you could. You could

832
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: go and see him at the top of that rage

833
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 1: and go, you're here, but you go, ah, I don't

834
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: know if I want to carry one back up this mountain.

835
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a sensible way to approach it. It happens, Yeah,

836
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: so I would picture of that. Yeah, people probably come

837
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: and they're like, if we can get land somewhere and

838
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: maybe have some come close, we'll maybe do it. Not well,

839
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: hunt deering for salmon. That happens a lot, because to

840
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: be honest, the killing, like to kill an elk here

841
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: didn't seem to me that difficult. It was the the

842
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 1: more of the hunt. Some hunts are you struggle all

843
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: the way up to the point where you get one.

844
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: This hunt was more the opposite, where it was medium

845
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: tough to actually get one. Not. I mean, I shot

846
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: mine the first morning of the first day, and but

847
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: of the hunt was after you pulled the trigger. It

848
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: was just the packing and the grinding and getting the

849
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: dang thing out. Yeah. So yeah, I mean there's those

850
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: hunts where you just struggle all the way up until

851
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: to kill, and then everything afterwards is just that quick

852
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: pull the truck up the process. And then there's those

853
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: hunts where you can go out and get something fairly fast,

854
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: but you're spending it entire week or more getting it

855
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: back home. Yeah. We made an initial uh kind of

856
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: a like a like a somewhat quixotic walk up the

857
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: hill today, knowing that we would just walk up into

858
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: the fog because you can tell from here it's very foggy.

859
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 1: So we walked up there and said, wow, it's really foggy,

860
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 1: and then walk back down. Um, And the whole time

861
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 1: I was doing that, all I'm thinking about, well, the

862
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: whole time we've been here, except for when we were

863
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: like thinking about how great the salmon fishing was. All

864
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about is the pack out. Yeah, it's just

865
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: like weighing on my mind. And maybe because I the

866
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: sucking depending suppending suck, the depending suck is all I

867
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: think about, and I'm worried about, like maybe I over

868
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: oversold the suck. But for that, for the two of

869
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: us where we shot our bulls, it was sucked. Like

870
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: me and Jason both are per fashional elk packers. We

871
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: carry elk for a living, like we guide out. We

872
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: carried to elk a week most weeks for some years,

873
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: ten weeks out of the air. It's like, we know

874
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: what carrying elk is. You know, we pack out a

875
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: ton of animals. Yet this was just a miserable pack

876
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: out you were and I mean, and obviously I got.

877
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: I drank some bad water and got really that was

878
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: midway through because I drank it the first day, but

879
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 1: it took a while for whatever I drink it. Yeah,

880
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: So we're landed on a lake and we're on the lee.

881
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: We're kind of on the know around the let the

882
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: lead around the wind driven side of the lake and

883
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: the lakes full of dead salmon and beaver chewed sticks,

884
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: so you know, there's beaver fever and he's needs here waters.

885
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: And we found a little trip coming in flowing off

886
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 1: under a hill, and my first thought was that trip

887
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: is great and drank it, and then remy talk about

888
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: haven't gotten sick up here before, So now I'm kind

889
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 1: of like half waiting around to get sick. Yeah, but

890
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: that's I know that one will be fine. Yeah, Well

891
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: I got I got me a little emergency pack of ciproal,

892
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: so when things go down from water, I'm gonna be.

893
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,479
Speaker 1: You'll be fine, I'll be I'll give you You're always

894
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: supposed to take full doses, but I'll share my sip

895
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: rose perfect. Now I think, uh that water filtration is

896
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: one thing that I should probably get better at. I

897
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: hardly ever take water filtration well. Once we got on,

898
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: like I used to take more shortcuts and be lazier,

899
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 1: but then we got on the sterry pens and that's

900
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: what I need to ultra violet ultra violet little ultra

901
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: violet wands. And I've had the same one now. I

902
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: think I've had the same sterry pen for five years.

903
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: I think I'll start using that. I mean another typically

904
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: just sterilized that part of it. I mean, I'm real

905
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 1: careful about where I get my water. And I know

906
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: I and my brother looks at you like shakes his head. Nah.

907
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: And I tasted it and thought it was that that

908
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: real soft water and it feels like that horrible taste

909
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: in that like silky texture in your mouth, and I said,

910
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: this is perfect for bacteria. Yeah, my girl got sick

911
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: off elk water. What was that young? I was gonna say,

912
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: you weren't really wanted to go the easiest, lightest way.

913
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: You could always just drop I had done, Yeah, just

914
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: purification tablets. Yeah, that's why I got sick in Arizona once,

915
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 1: is because I didn't feel like doing that, and also

916
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: because we kind of got screwed up a little bit

917
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: and didn't have any water out in the desert and

918
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: hit some water and I was like there was like, well,

919
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put some tablets of mine and wait, and

920
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm thirsty. This looks all right, And

921
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: I got sick as a mofo man. Yeah, that was

922
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: the beginning of a long with you for more than

923
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: three days. I think I don't like I don't like

924
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: using iodion for more than three days because it can

925
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: mess you. It's not recommended for repeated use. Yeah, I

926
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 1: carry iodi and tablets in my kid, but no one's

927
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: in my emergency kit. But it's not recommended to just

928
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:24,399
Speaker 1: use that as a strategy. Now I'm spending day after

929
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: If you're spending like weeks out of the woods ever,

930
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 1: you just can't be drinking all that iodine. Yeah, kills

931
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: the good bacteria in your system. You never feel refreshed.

932
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 1: You always. It's that weird. I don't know. The water

933
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: just isn't the same, isn't the same? No, ridgie, you

934
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 1: haven't said anything. Hanging it in, man, I'm riding the

935
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 1: storm out, Chris gil Ridge Pounder right in the storm.

936
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: You have nothing that's on your mind. I did have

937
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: a thing about Ramy's point about over exaggerating the suck

938
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 1: and that I don't think that you are over exaggerating

939
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 1: the stuck based on like the minor hike that we

940
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: did today with like the waist tall grass, like grabbing

941
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:11,280
Speaker 1: at your feet and doing that with like a super

942
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: heavy pack of meat. I feel like that's a I

943
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: feel like that's going to be a pretty tough, pretty

944
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: Oh the little our little foray today didn't make me

945
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 1: be like, Oh, if anything, I think it's it's steep

946
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: in that the grass. It's steep. Yeah, when everything in

947
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: my power to go back face first down the mountain,

948
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: you're a full summersault. Well we're I was looking for

949
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: you to pop up. You were downhill, like twenty ft

950
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 1: from where I started to disappeared. You took a roll

951
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: in the grass of today. My foot got hung up

952
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: and I just went straightforward, face forward. It doesn't look

953
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: like shintang from a distance, but it's it's got some

954
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: shintang qualities like New Zealand shintang. I thought we were

955
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: introduced to shintang in British Columbia. I thought that's where

956
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: it grew. What's the stuff that in New Zealand and

957
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: talked about the really bad to walk through stuff. Oh,

958
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: it's like come yeah, yeah, that's the real thick that's

959
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: the sticker stuff. Yeah. Shintang is like, um, it's like

960
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: carpet juniper. It's like when you get like stunted growth

961
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: first because it too high wind bad or high elevation

962
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: where they grow not high but out. Yeah, it's very

963
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: difficult to well that monkey scrub because you just like

964
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: you look like a monkey crawling through it. No, here's

965
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: the thing I want to bring up and get you

966
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: guys o paint on it. We kind of touched on

967
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: this and the reason that I want to bring this

968
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: up is because it relates to a previous episode where

969
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: my brother Matt was on and we were talking about

970
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:02,439
Speaker 1: stealing people's spots, stealing people's hunting spots, and we're having

971
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: a debate, Um, if you go It started out like this,

972
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: if you go hunt with a guide, so you're going

973
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: to guided trip, is it ethical for you to just

974
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: go back the next year and hunt that spot. Well,

975
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: you're your guide. Know what you're gonna say. Give me

976
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: your take on it. Here's my take on it. I

977
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: am a stickler when it comes to hunting spots. I

978
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: will never hunt a spot that someone else takes me into,

979
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: and I expect the same from other people. I think

980
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: that it's now Here's the other thing that is, if

981
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: you communicate with the person and say hey, I'd like

982
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: to go hunt this spot and they're like, yeah, that's cool,

983
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: then you can do it. And the same as a guide.

984
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: If there's somebody that hunts with me and they're like oh,

985
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: you know, I'd really like to hunt this next year.

986
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: Then I would be like, Okay, let me give you

987
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: some really good spots to go into. They don't because

988
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: the places I hunt or in proximity to what makes

989
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: it convenient. There's a million places that I would love

990
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: to hunt, but I'm not gonna go drive thirty five minutes.

991
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: But if you're just coming from wherever, you might as

992
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: well go hunt that spot because I'm not going to

993
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: be there, you know, so let me help you out.

994
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,479
Speaker 1: Here's the places to go. We won't be we won't

995
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: be interfering with each other. Yeah, because this last week,

996
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: there's well we were talking about this is in Montana.

997
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: It seems like there was an influx of nonresident hunters

998
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: this year, and I think partially due to the fact

999
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: that there was a world record bowl killed on public

1000
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: land in Montana. So everybody sees that and they go, oh,

1001
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hunt Montana this year, So they pick a

1002
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: spot in Montana and maybe places where I don't know.

1003
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: I think the people that did this were from Minnesota

1004
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: or Michigan or Minnesota. But it's like in Montana, you

1005
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: especially elk season during the rut, you're doing a lot

1006
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: of calling. Don't really want to space yourself out between

1007
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: other hunters. You know, it's not advantageous to you or

1008
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: the other the whole lake. There's one dude, you go

1009
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: drill hole next to day. So they these two people,

1010
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: these two individuals had that mentality. They parked behind my

1011
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: truck and just like, walk into this small area. Were

1012
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,439
Speaker 1: you guys hearing any bugle in? We are, well, no ship,

1013
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: you're here bugling right up on the ridge and you're

1014
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: walking toward it. Because it's it makes no sense. It's

1015
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: a different mentality, but maybe we're there from that's the

1016
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: way that they do it. They see a truck, that

1017
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: must be a good spot, hang our stand there. It's

1018
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: just fishing. I accept that with fishing. Like if I'm

1019
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: out on a lake right and I got some holes

1020
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: drilled and a guy shows up, I think he'd be like,

1021
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm gathering the dance where the fish are and he

1022
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: comes over, and I would think nothing negative about that person.

1023
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: Duck hunting, it really bothers me. Well, yeah, and it

1024
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: bothers me even way more. Big game hunting now now

1025
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: rifle season, when there's people everywhere, Yeah, vehicles get stacked

1026
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 1: up at trailheads, this, that and the other thing. That's

1027
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: completely acceptable. But when you're bow hunting and you're calling

1028
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: and you're trying, the success is based on you working

1029
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: an animal and tricking its behavior is a certain way.

1030
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: And they're calling and you're calling, and you're calling each

1031
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 1: other in and the elk and all that ends up

1032
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: at the end is two hundred staring each other in

1033
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: the face. I mean, yeah, it just doesn't make any sense.

1034
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 1: So but but but you kind of veered off on

1035
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: me there. But I'm saying, that's the spots spots, so

1036
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: he so we had this conversation, were like, if you

1037
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: were on a guided trip, is it okay to go

1038
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: to that spot? And my brother was saying, I can't

1039
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: remember how how like fervent he was in his belief,

1040
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: but he's saying, like, it's different in that situation because

1041
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: you were paying. You were paying someone, so it makes

1042
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: it a different relationship. But you're paying for that trip,

1043
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: you're not paying for like the spot. If you guide,

1044
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna buy your spot. The guy would say, well then,

1045
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: because I don't view this as being me selling you

1046
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: the spot. Or if you're like, here's a blank check,

1047
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: give me all your hunting spots right now, and whatever

1048
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: number you think it's worth on it, and then you know,

1049
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: if you buy like his knowledge, then it's one thing.

1050
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's I don't think it's ethical.

1051
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: So we're kicking it around. This isn't even what I'm

1052
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: meaning to bring up. I'm just as a prelude. He

1053
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: was pointing out that it is a different relationship than

1054
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 1: a friend thing, and he was saying he agreed with everyone.

1055
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: It's in the conversation that the primary crime, a capital crime,

1056
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: I'm talking out behind the wood shot twenty two round,

1057
01:02:54,320 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: behind your ear crime is to have a friend take

1058
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: you hunting and then to go in and hunt his spot.

1059
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, without without sayings, especially if that guy were

1060
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 1: to say that, don't hunt this spot. Yeah. Now, the

1061
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: only crime worse than that crime is to go in

1062
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: there with other people, yeah, and introduce those other people

1063
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: to the spot to the point where we're young. My

1064
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 1: dad was like, it's just He's like, it doesn't work.

1065
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: You cannot do it. You never ever take anyone friend

1066
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 1: or not ever, no one into a spot, was his

1067
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: perspective on it. Yeah, that's that's I agree. So we're

1068
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: having this whole conversation, and Matt, after discussing this, just

1069
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: had it happened to him. He took someone he works

1070
01:03:54,600 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 1: with into one of his favorite spots. That person things

1071
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 1: along her boyfriend. Then apparently it just happened where that

1072
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 1: couple takes another group of people and they go in

1073
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: and hunt the exact spot, and he just found out

1074
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, that's so when I'm talking to someone

1075
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:22,439
Speaker 1: about hunting or in areas that I hunt, I will

1076
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: never ask them intentionally. I will never say, oh, where'd

1077
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 1: you or because I I do not want to know

1078
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: anywhere someone is hunting, because I will find on my head.

1079
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: I don't want it in my head because I will

1080
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 1: find that spot on my own, and I do not

1081
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 1: want someone to So when I go to like a

1082
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: new area or whatever, I generally just ask questions. But

1083
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: I like to find my spot myself because I know

1084
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 1: that if I find a spot that's good, I want

1085
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: to be able to go back there as many times

1086
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 1: as I want. I would rather find it on my

1087
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 1: own than have someone tell me and me not be

1088
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 1: able to do what I want, because I probably would

1089
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: have found it either way. So that version of that

1090
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 1: happened to me where I got accused because my my again,

1091
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: my older brother. He goes hunting and turns out that

1092
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 1: there's a guy at work with standing at the trailhead

1093
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 1: of the spot that he had been really wanting to

1094
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 1: check out, and he right away it comes to me,

1095
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: He's like, what's up with that? And I'm like, I swear,

1096
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: I swear I did not say, and it turned out

1097
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 1: it was pure coincidence. In the investigation. Then the ensuing investigation,

1098
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: it turns out that that person was operating on a

1099
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 1: whole other tip that had its own lineage, and those

1100
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: pure coincidence. But dude, I was very nervous when confronted,

1101
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 1: like maybe I screwed up and said something. But this

1102
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: situation he's in now, yeah, he knows the story better.

1103
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 1: Am I doing right with the story? Yeah? You can

1104
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: nailed it. Oh, it's excuse me. It just makes me

1105
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 1: feel sick. It could be that water I drank, but

1106
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 1: there has been a long enough incubation period. It just

1107
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 1: makes me feel sick. Stealing people's spots, Yeah, and I

1108
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 1: think that that right there is the barrier to entry

1109
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 1: to hunting, because nobody wants to share their spots. Because

1110
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: people are apt to just jam because they'll just steal it.

1111
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 1: They will, and of course other people it's like, of

1112
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 1: course it's not your spot. People will find it on

1113
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 1: their own. But it's just like it's just a thing

1114
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 1: that I had a friend a few years ago line

1115
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 1: me out on some spots, you know, and I had

1116
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 1: them in my GPS, and they were in my GPS

1117
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: for a while, and I eventually went through and I

1118
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, it's really not right. And

1119
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: I went through and deleted all those way points because

1120
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 1: they had names that were like, um, like Richard's Bowl. Yeah, nicknames. Yeah,

1121
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 1: like a way point that says Richard's Bowl. And I

1122
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 1: would look and see that in my GPS, like if

1123
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: I lose my GPS and so guys, like there was

1124
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: a shot of bull right right there, and I deleted

1125
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 1: it for fear of ever being the source of a leak. Yeah.

1126
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 1: I have a I have a smap book in this

1127
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: Nevada map book that I used to you know, I

1128
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 1: used to use a while ago, and I would mark

1129
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 1: my spots, but then I would mark fake spots because

1130
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: there was so many times that I'd have to give

1131
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 1: the map to someone. You're like, oh, yeah, you know,

1132
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 1: and they needed that map, but there was a lot

1133
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:45,919
Speaker 1: of hidden so that thing coded. Yeah. I mean, let's

1134
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 1: just say if Hillary Clinton's emails were encrypted like that

1135
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 1: map problem problem. That thing was locked tight. There's markings

1136
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 1: all over. But now I looked at it and I

1137
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 1: was like, I have no clue. Way, You're like, I

1138
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 1: don't remember seeing shiploads of deer up there, but that's

1139
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,959
Speaker 1: not true. Why would've written in this year map book? Yeah,

1140
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 1: big bullason. I'm always a little incredulous I'm looking at

1141
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 1: a map would be like Deer Mountain. I'm always a

1142
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 1: little bit like, it can't be that way anymore. No.

1143
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 1: I feel like at the time maybe it was an

1144
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 1: aptly named, but generations of dudes looking at Deer Mountain

1145
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:33,680
Speaker 1: that's probably made it not so. And sometimes it's that

1146
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 1: Iceland Greenland thing. They just named it that. And then

1147
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 1: no buck Hills, the spot that really really strikes my interest.

1148
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 1: Another way, point I had that I deleted from the

1149
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,640
Speaker 1: same guy that lyned me on and some elk spots

1150
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: is away. Point was called the laundry Shoot. His naming

1151
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 1: was because elk come pouring through there as though it

1152
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:57,560
Speaker 1: were in a laundry shoot. So I had it on

1153
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 1: my GPS and I'm like, hey know, someday maybe, But

1154
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:05,640
Speaker 1: then I'm like, because the no one's gonna look at

1155
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 1: that and know what that means. But I got rid

1156
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 1: of that one. To the laundry shoot. Yeah, lest someone

1157
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: steal my GPS and look at that name and be like,

1158
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 1: m provocative title, let's go there to the shoot. Yanni

1159
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 1: got anything do you need to on the uh that

1160
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 1: topic there? No. I feel bad for your brother. He

1161
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: asked me first if he was being a dick for

1162
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 1: calling these folks out on going to the spot with

1163
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,719
Speaker 1: other people, and I said, hell no, he did an

1164
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 1: ethics check on me about you. Oh where you went

1165
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 1: in to meet up with him? Somewhere is this year?

1166
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 1: Last year? Yeah, you know he called me about this.

1167
01:09:56,320 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: So Yan is going to meet my brother hunting and

1168
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: the minute Yanni gets there, my brother killed a bull

1169
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 1: already same day. Yeah. So you get there and he's like,

1170
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 1: I just killed the bull. So you went and helped him,

1171
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 1: uh pack up and he loads his elk onto his

1172
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 1: lamas and hikes it out. Yeah, but we had to

1173
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:24,719
Speaker 1: cut it up and get it hung a tree. Yeah,

1174
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:26,679
Speaker 1: that would take us until three o'clock in the morning.

1175
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 1: It's long night three in the morning because he lost

1176
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 1: the elk in there to a grizzly once, or lost

1177
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of lost meat to a grizzly. That's the

1178
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 1: thing I should add. This is a grizzly hell, whole

1179
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,759
Speaker 1: lots of grizzly bears. He refers to it so lovely

1180
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 1: as the grizzly pit. The grizzly pit um lots of bears,

1181
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 1: and they haven't been haunted since nine and do not

1182
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 1: give a ship about people. They just don't care. Ye,

1183
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 1: no fear. So he stay hikes out out to bring

1184
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 1: his elk up to a cooler where he can get

1185
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 1: it in a walking He gets in and gets an

1186
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 1: updated weather forecast and it's a bunch of snow coming.

1187
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 1: So he calls me, and I got him on speaker

1188
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 1: phone with my wife and he calls me. He's like, hey, man,

1189
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 1: I need to like do an ethics check with you,

1190
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 1: because I don't want to go back up in there

1191
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 1: just to get dumped down with snow. But Yanni's up there.

1192
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 1: What how would he sort of take or how would

1193
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 1: he view if I just didn't show up for a

1194
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 1: few days until the snow melts and everything and it

1195
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 1: gets all nice, and I said, you cannot do this

1196
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 1: to me. You can't do this to me. And he's like,

1197
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 1: all right, I'll go buy some warm clothes because he

1198
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 1: hadn't even packed his warm clothes with. Yeah. I wouldn't

1199
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 1: have been pissed. I would have been understanding. It just

1200
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been fun on my end. Yeah, mostly because

1201
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 1: you'd be wondering, you know, you start wondering, Yeah, you

1202
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 1: mind up hiking out to go figure out that have

1203
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,639
Speaker 1: them to him? So yeah, I told him I presented

1204
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 1: like he'd be almost kind of doing it to me

1205
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 1: a little bit, So you owe me. I appreciate it.

1206
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 1: It's nice to have company in the grizzly pit. Yeah. Yeah,

1207
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 1: we didn't see any um, but we saw a few

1208
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 1: of their tracks after that big snow. I mean some

1209
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 1: of these tracks we did it. We put I put

1210
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 1: both of my boot tracks inside of one pad. I

1211
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 1: put both my boots inside of it, and you could

1212
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:35,679
Speaker 1: see the outline of the Grizzly Bear track in the snow.

1213
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 1: Well that's a big Bear track because too is how

1214
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 1: in the distance. Sometimes when you look at a grizzly

1215
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 1: bear track, you're like, oh, is that a human walking?

1216
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:48,599
Speaker 1: At first, you know, because it's just like they're both tracks, right,

1217
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:50,679
Speaker 1: But then when you really look back at your own

1218
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 1: track and you look at that thing, the only way

1219
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 1: you can confuse it too would be if a human

1220
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 1: was walking in snowshoes, because it makes you have that

1221
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 1: wider gate right, because we walk, we almost put like,

1222
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 1: you know, one ft in front of the other. That's

1223
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 1: saying even when when he's that's right, when he's walking

1224
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 1: or she, I mean there's you know, eight to twelve

1225
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 1: inches between you know, with wise between the two tracks. Yeah,

1226
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 1: um duncan Gil Chris, I remember reading this long ago,

1227
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:23,599
Speaker 1: like like I gotta I gotta back up. When there's

1228
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 1: ways of measure of bears. Ways people discussed bears. There's

1229
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,599
Speaker 1: three ways people discussed the size of bears. In the East,

1230
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 1: they talk about how many pounds the bear was. The

1231
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 1: reason they do that is because they have bears that

1232
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 1: you can get at right. You can like you can

1233
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 1: put them on a scale, shoot him, get him into

1234
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 1: a truck, and then go away the bear. So they'll

1235
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 1: be like this bear wade x pounds. No one like

1236
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 1: in Alaska, Like Jenny is never gonna tell you what

1237
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 1: a bear wade. It's extrapolated from other things, um so

1238
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 1: one the other. The second way to that people just

1239
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 1: gouss bears is it's squared hide. So you skin of bear,

1240
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 1: lay the skin out, and then you need to not

1241
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 1: stretch it, but like kind of pull it tight and

1242
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: let it lay there on on its own accord, not

1243
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 1: like pegged out, and you adjust it until you have

1244
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 1: the tip of nose to tip of tail measurement the

1245
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 1: same as the claw tip to claw tip front leg measurement.

1246
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 1: So he's splayed out arms outside of like a cross.

1247
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 1: And in order not tweak it where you're like really

1248
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 1: get the clause far apart, which shortens up the you

1249
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 1: know you're pulling hide and shorten up the length. It's

1250
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 1: called squared so you get him to wear tip of tail,

1251
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 1: tip of nose is Let's say you're looking at a

1252
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: black bear and it's six ft two. Then you measure

1253
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 1: tip of front claws to tip of front claw and

1254
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 1: that's six ft two. You'd say it's a six two bear.

1255
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 1: Squa aired guys that just pull him to grab the

1256
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 1: nose and grab the tail and pull and then measured.

1257
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,599
Speaker 1: That's like just the bullshit measurement. The third and final

1258
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:12,639
Speaker 1: way you measure bear, the official way as you dry

1259
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 1: the skull for I don't know, you clean the skull,

1260
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:21,599
Speaker 1: dry it for six months, measure the length, measure the width.

1261
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 1: Add those two numbers together, right, that's it. That's it

1262
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 1: school size. That's like the main official way to measure,

1263
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:32,719
Speaker 1: But it doesn't really reflect condition of the bear because

1264
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 1: theoretically you could have some freak bear that had a

1265
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 1: giant skull in a dinky body. Oh yeah. In fact,

1266
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 1: Prince of Wales bears genetic yeah, Prince of Wales bears

1267
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 1: tend to have a much bigger skull to bodies, a

1268
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 1: bigger skull to bodies aze racial than other bears, so

1269
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 1: they get big skulls without being giant squared hides. Same

1270
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 1: with bears in like Vancouver. But and I think a

1271
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 1: lot of it to you is uh the amount of

1272
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:06,600
Speaker 1: time the bears spend out as well. But like California

1273
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:10,599
Speaker 1: has bigger scold bears and they don't hibernate as long

1274
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 1: as say Montana bears and coastal bears don't, So I

1275
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 1: don't know why that would affect there, but the overall

1276
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 1: size there's yet it seems to be a correlation. There's

1277
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:24,719
Speaker 1: interesting correlations with bears. I only get back to measuring

1278
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 1: bears um because what remind me to get back to

1279
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:31,839
Speaker 1: tracks and Duncan Gil Chris and stuff. But another interesting

1280
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:34,720
Speaker 1: correlation of bears is if you take a map that

1281
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 1: shows rainfall annual precipitation and lay over that a map

1282
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 1: that shows high prevalence of color phase bears. Color phase

1283
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 1: bears occur in arid areas. And I could be wrong,

1284
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,879
Speaker 1: but I think it's like if a place gets twenty

1285
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 1: inches of rainfall, the bears are jet black. Less than

1286
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:00,640
Speaker 1: twenty you get higher prep the the d ried is

1287
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:06,639
Speaker 1: the higher prevalence of blonds, browns, reds. The more rain,

1288
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 1: the more likely with black bears that they're gonna be

1289
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 1: jet black. That makes sense when you start line ended

1290
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 1: up with like places you know, Yeah, you go down

1291
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 1: New Mexico, southern Colorado like dry places, it's like they

1292
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 1: get geeked out to find a black bear. Yeah, And

1293
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 1: then you go other places like California and or no

1294
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 1: black ones are rare there. But if you go the

1295
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 1: coastal coastal areas, you know, to find a color phase

1296
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 1: one there, it might be near impossible. I've looked at many, many,

1297
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 1: many bears in coastal like coast Alaska, many many you

1298
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 1: know they're just black because like bears are black. You

1299
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 1: do you think that if the Now what I'd be

1300
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 1: curious is if the area receives more rainfall. I don't

1301
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 1: think that they be more black because where I can

1302
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 1: it would be such a slow process. Where I guide

1303
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 1: for bears just it seemed like all we ever saw

1304
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 1: was color face bears. Now we can't find any color

1305
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 1: face bears or not as many. I think it would

1306
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 1: be too slow. I think to the to like track

1307
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 1: the phenal the phenological response to increase precipitation would take

1308
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 1: thousands of years. Where do you think it's something of

1309
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 1: like what they have to eat? My feeling is that

1310
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:33,439
Speaker 1: it has to do with um the camouflage and the

1311
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:37,680
Speaker 1: lushness of the vegetation the air bears just as a

1312
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 1: theory that bears that are living in lush vegetation where

1313
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:46,679
Speaker 1: there's like a dark understory, right, they can get away

1314
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 1: with that jet black eridescence down in the shadows. And

1315
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 1: bears that are living their lives out in black bears

1316
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 1: are living their lives out in the open and sun

1317
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 1: baked areas. It's a couple of things. I think it's

1318
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 1: better camouflag lag and they're not sucking up as much heat.

1319
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 1: They're not getting as hot because they have that. If

1320
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 1: you're a bear in Arizona, right and you need to

1321
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 1: be out like eating uh prickly pear, you know, when

1322
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 1: you're out there in its ninety five degrees and your

1323
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 1: jet yourridescent black, it's gotta be a much more miserable

1324
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 1: experience than it is when you're a blonde face bear

1325
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 1: as far as he the same way, like in super

1326
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 1: hot areas they run rend angus and not black angers cattle,

1327
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 1: and they run black angers cattle in cold places. Back

1328
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 1: to Dunk. So the three ways to measure things. Duncan

1329
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:39,559
Speaker 1: Gil Chris says that if you want to know what

1330
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 1: a bear is gonna square, you measure the width of

1331
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:47,720
Speaker 1: his front pad and add one. And he says that

1332
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:50,720
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what the barrel square. I've yeah, I've

1333
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 1: done that and it seems to be fairly consistent. Yeah,

1334
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 1: I've go by it. I don't know, I've gone and

1335
01:19:56,960 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 1: measured after shooting the bear like it's a five and

1336
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 1: a half foot bear, and be like, yep, and I'll

1337
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 1: just measure the pad. It's four and a half inch pad,

1338
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 1: just measuring on the multi tool, just casually, not like

1339
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 1: getting all scientific about it. But generally I found that

1340
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 1: it's generally kind of true. So if you find a

1341
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 1: six if you find a black bear pad that's six inches,

1342
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 1: you're looking at a nice big and you gotta do

1343
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 1: the front front pad should be the rounder one, not

1344
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 1: the elongated one. Not the elongated with the front, Yeah,

1345
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 1: the front widest. So if you're finding a track like that,

1346
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:32,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at the real point being I

1347
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 1: haven't laid a tape measured with your boots. But if

1348
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 1: you're looking at the track that's full on that big,

1349
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,760
Speaker 1: you're looking at like a legit, Well yeah that's I mean,

1350
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 1: I'm doing it right now. And outside the outside probably

1351
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 1: nine inches, maybe even a little bit bigger. See that's

1352
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 1: where I feel. That's what the reason the kind of

1353
01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:50,559
Speaker 1: reasons bringing it up. There's there's no way that there's

1354
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 1: are ten foot There's no way there's a ten foot

1355
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:54,200
Speaker 1: grizzly down there. Remember that was in the snow too,

1356
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 1: like deep snow because you know, so that changes the

1357
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 1: change like a track that you found in the mud,

1358
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 1: you know, or the dirt. Yeah, because if I find

1359
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 1: a track in the mud, that's five inches, I don't

1360
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 1: add an inch the mud where it splayed out. Yeah,

1361
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 1: And when I was checking it, when I've checked it,

1362
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 1: I was checking it, like I said, measuring the actual

1363
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 1: paths you need, like a nice good track, not that

1364
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 1: he's all splayed out in some sandy beach trips, you know,

1365
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 1: squishes out to the sides um dirt, you final and

1366
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:32,799
Speaker 1: it comes to your mind. Yeah, we're talking about the

1367
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 1: the inevitable suck upon us, hopefully. And it conjured up

1368
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:41,559
Speaker 1: a quote I always hold in my mind that came

1369
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 1: from a buddy and as Rusty Willis. We were talking

1370
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 1: about he built a cabin or he's building a cabin. Uh,

1371
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 1: kind of a hard to reach place, and I asked

1372
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 1: him about, you know, why why put all this effort

1373
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 1: towards something kind of like what you were saying. You

1374
01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 1: can get a Roosevelt elk in many places. But uh,

1375
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, people are always wondering, you know,

1376
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:08,760
Speaker 1: is the effort versus is the effort worth the reward? Like,

1377
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 1: what you're putting into something, the struggle does the payout

1378
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 1: you know sufficient? And he said, mind my old man,

1379
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 1: he's building the cabin with his old man. He said,

1380
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 1: are our mentality is the effort is the reward. And

1381
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 1: I think in a case like this that you know

1382
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 1: that is like you're saying, when you guys got done

1383
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:32,680
Speaker 1: with that packout, that effort was more satisfying than the

1384
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 1: actual you know, lining up and shooting this this nice elk.

1385
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 1: So that's on percent true because the story I tell

1386
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 1: is about the pack out. The last thing I talked

1387
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:46,599
Speaker 1: about is how big the plus and the most times

1388
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 1: first thing, Oh, I got a giant, big old six

1389
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 1: by six, big old heavy bases scored me to you know. No,

1390
01:22:56,400 --> 01:23:00,720
Speaker 1: you're like, oh yeah, the pack out all fifty Yeah,

1391
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 1: you bring your story like that one time we were hunting.

1392
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 1: I was like, one time we were packing elk. Yeah,

1393
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:08,479
Speaker 1: it's not even not even the hunt partner, just the

1394
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 1: pack part That was the whole, the whole kid in caboodle. Yeah,

1395
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:16,600
Speaker 1: well you'll remember forever. So I'm looking forward to the

1396
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:20,640
Speaker 1: effort on this trip kind but I'm I'm kind of

1397
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 1: looking forward to well before Steve when you asked if

1398
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 1: I wanted to put in. I said, yea'll put it

1399
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 1: in if you get packers. It was like the condition

1400
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 1: because I was like, I've done this, I don't I

1401
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:36,600
Speaker 1: did it with two guys, I don't need to do

1402
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:38,880
Speaker 1: it with you guys again. I mean, I think if

1403
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 1: it comes easy this time, great, But now I got

1404
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 1: my bows, so I figured that'll be the challenge in itself.

1405
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:50,600
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, it'll be a little bit easier with

1406
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 1: six of us. Well, quite a bit easier. Yeah, three

1407
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 1: times easier. Right. Well, I don't know, it's it's like

1408
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 1: an in the moment kind of thing. You know. We

1409
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 1: could be all out there a couple of days from

1410
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 1: now and uh feeling in our own heads that's the

1411
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:12,520
Speaker 1: sock is just as bad. Yeah, I don't think it's

1412
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 1: It won't lessen the suck. And yeah, and you can't

1413
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 1: look at a guy and quantify his suck level. It

1414
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 1: only lessens the suck for me because I'm the only

1415
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 1: one with the memory of the previous suck. But it

1416
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 1: can still suck. So I would be going, oh, this sucks,

1417
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 1: but this is man ever really sucked before. This is great,

1418
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 1: And you guys be like this yeah. But the meat, Oh,

1419
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 1: the meat. That's one thing I will bring up. This

1420
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 1: is the best game meat. Those olker that it's the

1421
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 1: best game meat I've ever had in my life. I'm

1422
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 1: saying it's very good. It is. It is like the

1423
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 1: wago beef of elk. It is the just the tenderloin,

1424
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 1: the inner tenderloin that's all you packed. Yeah, that's sock.

1425
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 1: It is softball size. It's the size of an elk

1426
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 1: or a beef filet mignon. I mean, you could cut

1427
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 1: fatty flame mignons out of that tenderline because the way

1428
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 1: that they're just compact there like a they're built like cattle,

1429
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 1: just short and squat and stout, and just the muscle

1430
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 1: every muscle group is just extra large. That's were all

1431
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 1: the way over the final one. Now it's that meat

1432
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 1: is almost I know I'll say it about it, but

1433
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:40,680
Speaker 1: black tail meat is really good figure as well, and

1434
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 1: it almost has that same quality. Is the black tail

1435
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:48,599
Speaker 1: meat where it's almost like it's a marbled fat. It's

1436
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 1: almost like that when you cut into that steak you

1437
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 1: can see the the meat broken down into those lines.

1438
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how to explain it. When I'm talking

1439
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 1: about where it's Yeah, it's like that tender, fat, good

1440
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:05,519
Speaker 1: piece of meat. It's funny mentioned black tails. I always

1441
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 1: think of like the really really good meats, um doll, sheep,

1442
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 1: black tail, elk of course, and then uh, select mule, deer,

1443
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:22,559
Speaker 1: select resold. Just be like when you and I don't

1444
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 1: care if it's a big buck or not, when you

1445
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 1: start skinning that deer and he's got like an inch

1446
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:28,760
Speaker 1: and a half tall on his realm. This is good.

1447
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 1: This good, dear man. No, I've had some range muled

1448
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:36,160
Speaker 1: here too, but I mean select mule they are extremely good.

1449
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 1: So now I don't I will pick your brain on

1450
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:43,760
Speaker 1: this because some people say, like the black tails, at

1451
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 1: least the ones around here, like most deer have that

1452
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 1: tallow type fat. It's that real waxy fat. But these

1453
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 1: black tails melted down and put wax our boots with it. Yeah.

1454
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 1: Now these back black tails have almost a less tallow

1455
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 1: and more of like a regular fat, like a bear fat.

1456
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 1: Like they're fat is like bear fat, not like deer.

1457
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 1: Somehow diet related. Yeah, I don't, I mean, but and

1458
01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:11,679
Speaker 1: it makes the meat it almost like we would will

1459
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:14,720
Speaker 1: me and my dad on the last time we had.

1460
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:18,679
Speaker 1: We shot two bucks, cut off the bacon and fried

1461
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 1: that bacon like deer bacon on the rocks. And it's good,

1462
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 1: like the fat good to eat. But it's like, I

1463
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 1: don't even know. I you describe it squishy fat. Yeah,

1464
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 1: it doesn't doesn't wax up in your mouth real bad. Yeah,

1465
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't wax up. It's not waxing only deer. But

1466
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:36,760
Speaker 1: people are saying that I've heard, you know, the old

1467
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 1: timer thing around here is that it's a different kind

1468
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:46,639
Speaker 1: of fat because they need to absorb it faster. I mean,

1469
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 1: different animals have different kinds of fat process different ways,

1470
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 1: Like like a buffalo in the summer's got like full

1471
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 1: on orange fat, looks like a carrot. Yeah, you know

1472
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:58,320
Speaker 1: that's how that when they're eating green certain green feet,

1473
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:00,760
Speaker 1: it's like, so I'm open to the eye. There's something

1474
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:05,680
Speaker 1: about what they're eating that gives they're fat different quality. Um.

1475
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:08,719
Speaker 1: Sure they don't have a bad winter here too, either,

1476
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 1: these critters, which must help them there. I think they do. Yeah,

1477
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:15,719
Speaker 1: they generally do have it. They can have tough winters.

1478
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:19,720
Speaker 1: They it's judging from the weather that these like the

1479
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:21,840
Speaker 1: bother was just talking to the pilot about the winter.

1480
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 1: And yeah, the reason that the fluctuation and uh is

1481
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:32,679
Speaker 1: so different than like say Prince of Wales is because

1482
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:36,320
Speaker 1: they have the hard winters kills. A lot of animals

1483
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 1: die in the winter here. I think that I can

1484
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 1: it's about that. Is that like in Prince William Sound.

1485
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:46,200
Speaker 1: In other is the southeast Alaska, the deer you know,

1486
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:49,120
Speaker 1: the high country fills up with snow, but they have

1487
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:52,960
Speaker 1: such good shelter down in the big old growth forest

1488
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 1: and there's a lot you know, there's a lot of

1489
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 1: like protection from weather down there. Yeah, they go down

1490
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 1: to the shore lines in the old girls and can

1491
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:05,760
Speaker 1: do pretty well here. It's just there's so much more

1492
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:08,639
Speaker 1: exposure here. If I'm not having that those those giants

1493
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:12,240
Speaker 1: the exposure because I was just accounting for the snow

1494
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:14,479
Speaker 1: because they're like, yeah, the snow doesn't really hang around,

1495
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 1: you know, at sea level especially, Yeah, I can see

1496
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:21,719
Speaker 1: it being like maybe a little bit nastier conditions and

1497
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:25,720
Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff, like southern part of Kodiak

1498
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:29,680
Speaker 1: is that more open, more like that. A lot of

1499
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 1: the lot of it's like this where it's got it's got,

1500
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 1: but doesn't have those giant swass of old growth I

1501
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:38,599
Speaker 1: mean there are something. I mean, you can see him around,

1502
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:42,439
Speaker 1: you know, when you're flying over. We saw we have

1503
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 1: to see it because it's being fogged in. But if

1504
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:46,400
Speaker 1: you go over the ridge and down to the water,

1505
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:50,160
Speaker 1: do you ever hit like thicker forest at the water's edge?

1506
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:53,560
Speaker 1: Is it stay open like this the whole way stay scrubby, scrubby.

1507
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:58,639
Speaker 1: But I mean just on this side it's all forest,

1508
01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:06,840
Speaker 1: So the you should be the north part. Yeah, did

1509
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:09,479
Speaker 1: you do your concluder? No dirt? Did the effort? Is

1510
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 1: the reward? I like that that was a good conclud No.

1511
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:14,639
Speaker 1: I didn't really have a concluder. Yeah. I just continue

1512
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 1: to talk and ask questions, Oh, is there more things

1513
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:20,760
Speaker 1: you need to know? By all means, I'm feeling good.

1514
01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 1: I'm ready for a house. Yeah. And then uh, we

1515
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:25,840
Speaker 1: still have like to do. We still need to do

1516
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:27,840
Speaker 1: our hunt. There's two things we didn't get the top about.

1517
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:30,320
Speaker 1: I wanted to do like a status update on public lands,

1518
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 1: which we're gonna have to talk about next time we talked.

1519
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:35,200
Speaker 1: And I wanted to talk about, um, why Remy is

1520
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 1: packing around his bow and arrow this time and what

1521
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:44,240
Speaker 1: happened for him. So we're gonna return to those thoughts. Yeah,

1522
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:47,400
Speaker 1: we might have more packing and shooting iron, we might

1523
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:51,719
Speaker 1: have more time sitting in this TP possibly talk about that,

1524
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:58,080
Speaker 1: um Rich tod, yeah, blank man, Remy, anything you want

1525
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:04,400
Speaker 1: to add. No, I mean, I hear the rain stopped.

1526
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 1: I would love to just take this headset off and

1527
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:09,439
Speaker 1: go glass off a buck right now. Yeah, I didn't

1528
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:11,920
Speaker 1: even notice the rain did stop. Stuff. The sound quality

1529
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 1: went back to normal sound quality right now. Uh, here's

1530
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:20,800
Speaker 1: my concluder. Uh, this is a cliffhanger episode. This is

1531
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 1: like the episode we did one time when Yanni couldn't

1532
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:27,000
Speaker 1: get a turkey and I we did an episode and

1533
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:29,479
Speaker 1: everybody had all tagged out on turks and then I

1534
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 1: had to get up the next day and go out

1535
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:33,559
Speaker 1: and get Joanni squared away on in Turkey. But we

1536
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:35,720
Speaker 1: left to hang him or no one really knew if

1537
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 1: he was gonna be able to pull it through. So

1538
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 1: this is one of those situations where you're gonna have

1539
01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 1: to come back to find out did those fellers really

1540
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:48,840
Speaker 1: get to experience the suck or did they have to

1541
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:53,799
Speaker 1: go home with no suck? So stay tuned and find

1542
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:54,040
Speaker 1: out