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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast knows how to pronounce gift

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Speaker 1: or is it?

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Speaker 2: Jim?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Around the NFL. My name

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Speaker 1: is Dan HANSI heroes here, Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal. I

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Speaker 1: don't care what your gift, Jiff take is.

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Speaker 2: Don't care what is?

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Speaker 3: What is your pronunciation?

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Speaker 1: Though, Tim, mine would be Giff.

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Speaker 3: That's what I'd say.

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Speaker 1: And if you say I'm wrong, I don't. I don't care.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, irrelevant what anyone else doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: Can you accuse me of not caring about your big

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Speaker 2: weather bit yesterday and then it took a fire? People

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Speaker 2: are looking for more weather from the zeuser all week.

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Speaker 1: Well here's the thing. Here's the thing, and this is

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Speaker 1: why I had to push back against your subtle mocking. Uh.

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Speaker 1: This was historic weather in Texas and I take it

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Speaker 1: as a public service announcement to anyone traveling here just

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Speaker 1: to be ready. So in a lot of ways, I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to help people, and you were trying to cloak

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Speaker 1: the Republican darkness. So where do you align? I mean,

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Speaker 1: what were you on January sixth?

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Speaker 2: I'd like to hear how many listeners are visiting this

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Speaker 2: area of Texas this week? And it was just reminding

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Speaker 2: me of a podcast I listened to which I enjoy,

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Speaker 2: which Will Go Nameless, which always talks weather for the

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Speaker 2: first thirty seconds, And I always think how much better

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Speaker 2: that podcast would be if they just didn't do that

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Speaker 2: every single show.

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Speaker 1: That's all.

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Speaker 4: And I believe a gentleman actually reached out to Dan

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Speaker 4: thanking him for the information that he provided. Is that untrue?

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Speaker 1: I mean, there was just a whole movement, and I

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Speaker 1: think there were people that were excited to learn about

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Speaker 1: the various climates both here in North America and overseas

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Speaker 1: and how they different, how they're similar. I got a

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Speaker 1: in a different way, and I think in a lot

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Speaker 1: of ways. In addition greg to being safety minded, also

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Speaker 1: is informational, and I think we strive for that. We

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Speaker 1: haven't won an award this podcast since twenty thirteen Best

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Speaker 1: New Podcast Apple. It's time for another one. So maybe

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Speaker 1: we change angles here, shift gears and just become a

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Speaker 2: Well, we did win the Stitcher Award that was the

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Speaker 2: some awards over the years. If you're watching on YouTube,

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Speaker 2: I've got this Lock of the Week Championship trophy. So

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Speaker 3: Why did you need to lead Greg down that path?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. He found his way there on his own. Listen.

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Speaker 1: This is the second podcast of the week as we

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Speaker 1: us enjoyable this time of year, thank you, and for

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Speaker 1: motivation to call back to another conversation from our earlier

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Speaker 1: for reminding us what it's really all about. Some people

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Rob Well, what you didn't consider Dan is

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Speaker 1: So here's the history there. About eleven twelve years ago,

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Speaker 4: not seem impressed with the slogan. But Dan, how many

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Speaker 2: Since all right, let's see I want to blow this

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Speaker 1: because I found it to be a very sneaky, difficult assignment.

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Speaker 3: But it's June's light.

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Speaker 4: And I spent the next I think I spent three

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Speaker 2: It was very instructive because there are some teams you

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Speaker 2: Mark had mentioned he responsibly did all his work before

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Speaker 4: It wasn't panic in your eyes, Greg, but it was

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Speaker 1: I love this because two things here. Why me personally

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Speaker 1: What that potentially put Mark alone on a take island

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Speaker 4: Well, and you know, I took a peek at what

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Speaker 1: Excellent, all right, So why don't we get into it. Hell,

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Speaker 1: For sure, you gave him a cup bump, Greg, tell

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Speaker 1: I agree, if Cooper Cup was not on the Rams offense,

438
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Speaker 1: they probably would be at the very bottom. But he is.

439
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I give him twenty six.

440
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Speaker 1: You know, m I understand. I'm not furious about it.

441
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Speaker 1: I get it. I get your logic. All right, Chicago Bears,

442
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Speaker 1: we have at twenty four, uh, and we were pretty

443
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Speaker 1: much in lockstep on that. I think one of us

444
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Speaker 1: was a little higher or a little lower. Mark and

445
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Speaker 1: I both had him at twenty one. Greg, you had

446
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Speaker 1: him twenty fifth, and then we could touch on any

447
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Speaker 1: of these teams. At Green Bay, we were all on

448
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Speaker 1: the same boat. Mark twenty three, Greg twenty one, Dan twenty.

449
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Speaker 1: So they finish at twenty third, and then Tampa Bay,

450
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Speaker 1: let's head to it. Let's head to take island with

451
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Speaker 1: Mark Sessler. Will he build a raft and try to

452
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Speaker 1: escape or will he fortify both? Dan had them at nineteen,

453
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Speaker 1: Greg had them at sixteen, Mark all the way down

454
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Speaker 1: at twenty six.

455
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Speaker 2: You buried the Bucks, you know that?

456
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Speaker 1: For the Bucks and their duo dynamic duo at wide Receiver.

457
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Speaker 4: I can't get out of my memory the I felt

458
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Speaker 4: like I watched twenty seven Bucks games a year ago,

459
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Speaker 4: and you know, fighting off sleep whenever the offense was

460
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Speaker 4: out there.

461
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Speaker 3: And that was with Tom Brady.

462
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Speaker 4: I see what you're saying about Mike Evans and Chris Godwin,

463
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Speaker 4: but I just I'm not you're hoping that Rashad White

464
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Speaker 4: is a capable three down back.

465
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Speaker 3: You got Chase Edmonds behind him.

466
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Speaker 4: Russell Gage is your third wie who I don't hate,

467
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Speaker 4: but he didn't really make a different Slashers wasn't out there.

468
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Speaker 4: Kate Otten is a tight end. I don't know. I'm

469
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Speaker 4: pretty comfortable putting them at twenty six. And that's not fat.

470
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Speaker 3: This total quarterback chaos.

471
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Speaker 2: It's top heavy. It's basically two receivers. But I tried

472
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Speaker 2: to think about, like what if this group was with

473
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Speaker 2: like Andy Reid or Joe Burrow, Like what would I

474
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Speaker 2: expect them to Like I think you could art I

475
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Speaker 2: had them one spot ahead of the Chiefs, for instance,

476
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Speaker 2: who were the world champs. Like they have two great receivers.

477
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Speaker 2: I think Godwin will be healthier. Gauge is a good

478
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Speaker 2: three better than most. You're right, it's a little thin.

479
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 2: It's a little thin after that, but that's an average group.

480
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Speaker 2: Like I don't think Mayfield and the offensive line might

481
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Speaker 2: not be bad either. By the way, it's not actually

482
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Speaker 2: a bad group around the quarterback, it's just the quarterbacks.

483
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Speaker 1: I've decided I might have had them a little bit lower.

484
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Speaker 1: But I've now decided, as we turned the calendar over

485
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Speaker 1: to twenty twenty three, to be part of the solution,

486
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Speaker 1: not the problem. When people overlook Mike Evans and what

487
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Speaker 1: he's brought to our league nine straight years with a

488
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Speaker 1: thousand yards, that is incredible durability production, you just don't

489
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Speaker 1: see it. Has anybody ever done that? Did Jerry Rice

490
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Speaker 1: even do that? Yes?

491
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Speaker 2: I believe so.

492
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Speaker 4: But I would you say that most of these teams

493
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Speaker 4: chance to make Hall of fame what we're going to

494
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Speaker 4: dig into from here, most of these teams start having

495
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Speaker 4: their version of Mike Evans, whether it's on the ground

496
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Speaker 4: or through the air. I mean, like these rosters are good.

497
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Speaker 4: And I think that Tampa Bay on the whole is

498
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Speaker 4: not a special group, right.

499
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Speaker 2: I think Godwin cut you know, a year removed from

500
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Speaker 2: the Aco that mattered a lot to me. I see

501
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Speaker 2: those both as top twenty five receivers and there's very

502
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Speaker 2: few teams and receiver to me is the most important

503
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Speaker 2: position here. And there's very few teams that have two

504
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Speaker 2: top twenty five receivers. There's probably five in the in

505
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Speaker 2: the Bucks are one of them. And so they got

506
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Speaker 2: to big a just one one thing. Quickly, we all

507
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Speaker 2: ended up agreeing on Green Bay, which is interesting because

508
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Speaker 2: I actually found them maybe the most difficult team to

509
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Speaker 2: rank in this entire exercise. There running backs are awesome

510
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Speaker 2: Jones and Dylan, and then there are receivers. I love

511
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Speaker 2: Christian Watson as a rookie, and then it's Dobbs and

512
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Speaker 2: some rookies. I gave a little rookie pop if I

513
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Speaker 2: like the rookies, but I didn't try to overrate it,

514
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Speaker 2: like it's just a fascinating, weird group. I didn't know

515
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Speaker 2: where to put them. They're not as they're more interesting

516
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Speaker 2: than the Patriots and the Titans of the world. But

517
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Speaker 2: I guess we all kind of agreed in the end.

518
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm with you on that. I was

519
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out because I kind of broke it

520
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Speaker 1: down when I was trying to make decisions. I had

521
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Speaker 1: the three star tier, which is just one team. I

522
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Speaker 1: had the two star tier, which I had a group

523
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Speaker 1: of about six or seven, and then the one star

524
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Speaker 1: or close tier. And I couldn't figure out if the

525
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Speaker 1: Packers were the two star tier or a one star

526
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Speaker 1: close tier, and I had them just on the other

527
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Speaker 1: side because Christian Watson, I do want to see how

528
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Speaker 1: he performs with a different quarterback other than one of

529
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Speaker 1: the greats. Ever, but he did show a lot. But

530
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Speaker 1: am I ready to say that guy is locked in

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Speaker 1: loaded star? I'm close to it there.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm with you.

533
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Speaker 4: I love their backfield, Aaron Jones, AJ Dillon. I think

534
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Speaker 4: Watson can be a star. Romeo is super intriguing to me.

535
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Speaker 4: It's like there's not a lot not to like. It's

536
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Speaker 4: a great I've moved the packers up and down in

537
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Speaker 4: this exercise like probably fifteen times. That was sort of

538
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Speaker 4: one of the teams that started to make me go

539
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Speaker 4: mentally insane.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear that. All right, let's get through to

541
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Speaker 1: into the top twenty and then take a break. We

542
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Speaker 1: had it number twenty one or number twenty, I should say,

543
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Speaker 1: And this one surprised me a little bit. Twenty one

544
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Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions, who we all love the Lions. But

545
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Speaker 1: when you look at the breakdown once again, Mark a

546
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Speaker 1: little bit on take island here he built a fort

547
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Speaker 1: on Tampa Bay. Greg had them at twenty two out

548
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Speaker 1: of thirty two. I had him at twenty three. Mark

549
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Speaker 1: had him up there at fifteen. I think I dinged

550
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Speaker 1: a mark on Jamison william being out of the mix.

551
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Speaker 1: They probably would have been or they would have been

552
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Speaker 1: higher if I could have talked myself into him having

553
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Speaker 1: a big role early on, and he won't because he

554
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Speaker 1: suspended for I think six games. Why do you have

555
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Speaker 1: them in the top of half of the league in

556
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Speaker 1: terms of skill players.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's interesting on Williams because the way that I

558
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Speaker 4: did this, when I looked at their roster, there is

559
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Speaker 4: some projection because part of it is like I didn't

560
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Speaker 4: really factor in the suspension because I'm looking just literally

561
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Speaker 4: at the roster, so we did that a little differently.

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Speaker 3: I actually don't.

563
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Speaker 4: I'm not in love with David Montgomery, never have been,

564
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Speaker 4: so to me, it's a projection of Jimar Gibbs and

565
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Speaker 4: like Sam Laporta, who has been blowing up the offseason program.

566
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Speaker 4: Those guys need to work out. But this is one

567
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Speaker 4: where I did factor in the rookies a little bit,

568
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Speaker 4: and I maybe factored in Ben Johnson a little bit.

569
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Speaker 4: I guess I shouldn't have done that, but I think

570
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Speaker 4: the Lions, to me, I almost thought I was going

571
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Speaker 4: to come in with one of you guys having them

572
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Speaker 4: higher than me. I thought, if anything, one of you

573
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Speaker 4: guys were gonna like them more. And I'm a little

574
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Speaker 4: surprised with how this turned out.

575
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were one of the teams. I thought this

576
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Speaker 2: was instructive that after doing it, I was like, oh,

577
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Speaker 2: the Lions actually don't have a great, you know, weapons

578
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Speaker 2: group compared to average. I mean a mon Ross. Saint

579
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Speaker 2: Brown's a nice player, but he's your number one. And

580
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Speaker 2: then's who's the guy you're totally counting on behind him.

581
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Speaker 2: I believe Jamison Williams could be interesting. I didn't count

582
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Speaker 2: the suspension, but I've never seen him do anything. And

583
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Speaker 2: then you have Josh Reynolds in there. You have rookies

584
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Speaker 2: that I like, and so I give him a little

585
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Speaker 2: bump for that, or else they wouldn't even been as

586
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Speaker 2: high as twenty two. But it's a little shallow.

587
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I took out of the exercise too,

588
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Speaker 1: is like, oh, good job by you, Ben Johnson, right right,

589
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Speaker 1: It's not like, oh, it's not like with the Chiefs,

590
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Speaker 1: for instance, Like, well, but then you have Patrick Mahomes,

591
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Speaker 1: it's Jared Goff. Then who's making all this go? And

592
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Speaker 1: maybe maybe we got to give Jared goff Moore respect

593
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Speaker 1: because that offense was a top five offense last year

594
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Speaker 1: in many many metrics.

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Speaker 4: I think it's tough because you can't factor in the

596
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Speaker 4: fact that their offensive line is a dominant group that

597
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Speaker 4: really turns the key on the whole thing GC mark

598
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Speaker 4: g c G c uh.

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Speaker 1: But perhaps you did because they're very high in your rankings.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, like I when I maybe maybe some

601
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Speaker 4: improper procedures leaked into this exercise for me with some teams.

602
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Speaker 1: Uh oh, Wilson, the volleyballs floating over the tide on

603
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Speaker 1: that one a little bit.

604
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Speaker 2: You know, he's not standing strong. You were saying, what

605
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Speaker 2: do you what do you stand strong? On his takes?

606
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Speaker 3: Or he would yet I wouldn't move them. I wouldn't

607
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Speaker 3: move them.

608
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Speaker 4: But I think it's just that we did it a

609
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Speaker 4: little differently because you're saying you don't want to really

610
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Speaker 4: almost factor in rookies, and with Detroit I did.

611
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Speaker 1: Got it? Okay? Uh finally before we take a break,

612
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Speaker 1: this one was another very interesting one to me, and

613
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Speaker 1: it's really how you how you choose to look at them.

614
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Speaker 1: What do they call it the rors test? Is that

615
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Speaker 1: how you pronounce it? Yeah? Yeah, the Atlanta Falcons kind

616
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Speaker 1: of are that for our podcast and for this exercise pacifically,

617
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Speaker 1: there's so much to like about it, but at the

618
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Speaker 1: same time, how much is actually proven? So you look

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Speaker 1: at the Falcons and again Mark take Island Part three.

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Speaker 1: Greg has him up at fourteen. I have him at eighteen. Mark,

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Speaker 1: you have them all the way down at twenty five,

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Speaker 1: which really surprised me because You're such a big fan

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Speaker 1: of the Falcons. This is the only team really where

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Speaker 1: I kind of got maybe in over my skis about

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Speaker 1: a rookie because I'm like, all right, running back v

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Speaker 1: Jean Robinson. You put him with Drake London, who we

627
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Speaker 1: talked about and are making the Leaf series a couple

628
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Speaker 1: days ago. You take Kyle Pitts and you project him

629
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Speaker 1: maybe finally finding his way, and that's a in terms

630
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Speaker 1: of like triplets, that gets you very excited. Where did

631
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Speaker 1: you How did they end up at twenty five? For you?

632
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Speaker 1: Do is it just the lack of proven entities here?

633
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Speaker 4: I really ding them for what's happening behind Drake London

634
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Speaker 4: at wide Receiver with Mac Hollins and Scottie Miller. An

635
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Speaker 4: injury to London leaves them totally capsized through the air.

636
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Speaker 4: Unless Kyle Pitts becomes what we need them to be

637
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Speaker 4: this season. I trust they can run the ball. I

638
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Speaker 4: think this is a team where like I think, I

639
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Speaker 4: still am fascinated by the Falcons, and I think they're

640
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Speaker 4: gonna be a punishing ground based team obviously, and I

641
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Speaker 4: think Arthur Smith can make all these parts work. But

642
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Speaker 4: just looking at them on paper, they've got their wide

643
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Speaker 4: receiver position is hard to look past.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's surprising. Dan Mark is the one that's way

645
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Speaker 2: down on these Falcons guys. But I did notice Dan

646
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Speaker 2: he I don't know if you heard this, he said,

647
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Speaker 2: we need Kyle Pitts. That's what we need. He's already

648
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Speaker 2: that's a WE team from Mark.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this one, this would be the most stunning entry

650
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Speaker 1: of anyone. Mark putting them in the bottom they're a

651
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Speaker 1: bottom third offensive skill position and their quarterbacks Desmond Ritter.

652
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Speaker 2: That's fair. I'm probably projecting too much, especially with Pitts,

653
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Speaker 2: because I still think of him as a top ten

654
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: tight end and it hasn't happened. I'm thinking of bees

655
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 2: On as a top and running back. You gotta see it.

656
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 2: But I looked at it like when you write all

657
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 2: the names out and this is where we like. Why

658
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 2: we like the Falcons, I think, Mark, they're so different.

659
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: They have five guys that I believe in Drake London,

660
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: Kyle Pitts, Bijon Robinson, yeah boy, Tyler Rausier and Cordrell Patterson.

661
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: You're right, they don't have any wide receivers, so it's

662
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 2: very funky. But I do believe in those five guys.

663
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Speaker 2: Fourteen Now, even in hindsight might be a little rich.

664
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Speaker 2: I'm doing the thing where I'm questioning myself, but I

665
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: would only move them down a couple spots because those

666
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: are five dudes that I think can make plays. A

667
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: lot of them are running backs, and so maybe you

668
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: ding them a little bit for that, but there's still

669
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: they're dudes that look nice and big coming up.

670
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: Compelling group, Yeah, unproven, but super compelling.

671
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 4: If you But if you said, if the exercise was,

672
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 4: let's rank backfield potential, like they'd be top three or

673
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 4: four for me.

674
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Speaker 3: If not, Sheven Hunt.

675
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: Just how about guys that you wouldn't want to mess

676
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: with in the dark alley?

677
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 3: I think yeah, I feel that way about that.

678
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Speaker 1: Yep, sexy. All right, let's take a break. We'll be

679
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: right back. All right, we're back. Let's move now into

680
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Speaker 1: the top twenty, starting with the Denver Broncos. All right,

681
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,479
Speaker 1: we had a big difference in opinion here, Mark, you're

682
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,239
Speaker 1: off the hook. You had him at twenty. I had

683
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: him at twenty four. This time it's Greg Rosenthal who

684
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: has the Denver Broncos all the way at number twelve.

685
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: Jeez, why well could hell? I think I rewarded depth.

686
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: But you're right, they don't have the superstars. But Judy Dulsi,

687
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 2: who I like a lot, Courtland Sutton, Tim Patrick, kJ Hamler,

688
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: you like a little Marvin Mims in the draft, Javonte Williams,

689
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: samajp Ryan. So they overwhelmed me with just like NFL

690
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: players who are good.

691
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: So many NFL players on the Broncos. What? So many

692
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: NFL players on these Broncos.

693
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Speaker 2: I just mean, like, not many teams have that many,

694
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: Like they could survive a lot of injuries. They're deep.

695
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 2: They're like a much better version of the Patriots, where

696
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: they have like a bunch of people, but their people

697
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: are more talented. I think they're a little more talented

698
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 2: in that talent. Wasn't you know able to flourish last year.

699
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 4: I feel like though this is the second, if not

700
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 4: third year in a row that we're pumping up Denver's

701
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 4: skill position group. And it's like they outside of samajip Ryan,

702
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 4: who I like, like in a role, like they had

703
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 4: all these guys last year and I know, I know

704
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 4: that it was a coaching debacle and your quarterback fell

705
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 4: off the side of the earth, But uh, when when

706
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 4: are these players going to become what we're asking them

707
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 4: to become.

708
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: When they're healthy? Like literally, and maybe I shouldn't, I

709
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: shouldn't ding them more for health, but literally every single

710
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: one has had a major injury. Williams Hamdler, Patrick Sutton, Dulsitch, Judy,

711
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: I guess just missed a bunch of time one year.

712
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 2: But he's been the healthiest. It's a it's been a

713
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: banged up group, which is.

714
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: Now never for that group? Yeah now or never? All right,

715
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: let's uh move on, all right. This one was a

716
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: little different. I think this one. I was on Take

717
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: Island a little bit of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Oh no,

718
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: I wasn't, but I had him the highest, So I

719
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: had him as the number eight offense in terms of

720
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: skill players around their quarterback in the league. Mark, you

721
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: were in the same boat as me. You had him

722
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: at eleven, Greg, you had him down at twenty. I

723
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: guess I'll start on this one. I think this is

724
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: kind of similar to what you're saying with the Broncos, Greg,

725
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: but I thought in a more proven way where you

726
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: look at their depth chart and we saw how the

727
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: offense came together last year. I really like what we

728
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: saw from their wide receivers. Christian Kirk made everybody look

729
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: dumb last year for saying they paid too much for him.

730
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: He was a real asset and a weapon for Trevor Lawrence.

731
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: You add Calvin Ridley to this mix now, and you know,

732
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: we don't know what we're gonna get from Ridley. But

733
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: he was a star, an emerging true star with the

734
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: Falcons before he had some personal issues and then the

735
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: gambling suspension, and now he has this fresh start. I'm

736
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 1: guess giving him the benefit of doubt that he's gonna

737
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: at a young age still be a performer. And then

738
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: Travis atn I saw him as another emerging star on

739
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: offensive running back. So I like what they're doing a

740
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: running back. I like their wide receivers. I think Evan

741
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: Ingram showed a lot and is a perfect match with

742
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: that quarterback. I think it's just a really rock solid core,

743
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: even if there's no like superstar jumping out at you.

744
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, i'd say like because we were in the same place,

745
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 4: so I won't belabor the point. But I actually had

746
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 4: them a little bit higher for seventy five percent of

747
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 4: the sexualized, then bumped them down a bit.

748
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 3: But I agree with you.

749
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 2: I I guess I'm just giving more credit to Doug Peterson,

750
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: like I've seen Zay Jones and Christian Kirk elsewhere, and

751
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 2: Evan ingram Etn's a nice running back to me. You know,

752
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 2: he's not special to me. He's not a top ten guy,

753
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 2: and so I was guess I was giving it more

754
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: a little bit to the scheme was making these guys

755
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: who are more like number three receivers look better than

756
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 2: they are. I mean, Jay Jones turned into a pretty

757
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: reliable player, and they're all fine, but I feel like

758
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 2: if you put them on a team without a good

759
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: coach or in a good system, they would not look

760
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: very good.

761
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: So all right, fair enough, Moving on to number seventeen

762
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: the Saints. This one was the most predictable one for

763
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: me because I knew I would probably have him the lowest,

764
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: and I knew Greg would have him the highest, and

765
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: sure enough Mark HadAM right in between Greg and I

766
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: and I have him at twenty six. Greg, you had

767
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 1: him at eleven. I had him at twenty six because

768
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 1: I'm not high in Alvin Kamara anymore. I think he's

769
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: played his best football. I do factor in guys not

770
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: being on the field because I'm looking at to twenty

771
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: twenty three and I don't think he will be I

772
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: think he'll be suspended, but he hasn't been special for

773
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: a couple of years now. Michael Thomas, I'm done waiting

774
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: for that ship to come back in. I think at

775
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: best he is a serviceable number two if he could

776
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: be on the field, but I don't think that's anything

777
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: I should ever be assumed. I do love a lave so,

778
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: but I'm not at the level like of a Cooper

779
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: Cup where he's gonna give me those extra bumps to

780
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: get him up five more spots. So that's why I

781
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: had him there. Do you have them just outside the

782
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: top ten in the entire league?

783
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm way higher on Kamara. I think it

784
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 2: was better last year playing through an injury, someone that's

785
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 2: a factor, but I could see a monster year. To me,

786
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 2: him and a Lavi are two stars, So they're a

787
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 2: two star team for me. And then the others are

788
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 2: very high upside intriguing players, Juwan Johnson, Michael Thomas, Rashid Shaheed.

789
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 2: So there's they're not all going to hit those three.

790
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 2: But if you got two out of those to hit

791
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: and you have the two stars that I believe like that,

792
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: that's an explosive skill position group.

793
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 4: And I'm right between the two of you, So I

794
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 4: vaguely agree with both of what you just said.

795
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: Nice, I think that I think you were the one

796
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: that was right. I think that's where this comes in. Hey,

797
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: speaking of disagreements. Now it's zeus Or truly on take island.

798
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: Because the Washington football team, also known as the Commanders,

799
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: are at sixteen on this list, right in the middle,

800
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 1: and Greg, you mark, you had him at fourteen, Greg

801
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: at thirteen. I had him down at twenty two. I

802
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: guess I should defend my take here. I like Terry McLaurin.

803
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: He's excellent. I think he's he's not a true superstar

804
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: wide receiver. He's just below Johan Dotson is interesting. I

805
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: guess CURTL. Samuel was kind of who they thought he

806
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: was gonna be when they first signed into that big contract.

807
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: So that's pretty good. The running back room is is

808
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: what it is. Brian Robinson, Antonio Gibson, I don't know.

809
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: I guess I was tell me why I should be

810
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: more excited about this group?

811
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 3: Can I?

812
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 4: Well, I'd start with Johan Dotson. I'd really like him

813
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 4: a lot. McLaurin. Dotson and Curtis Samuel are a high

814
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 4: quality trio. I like the running backs more than you do.

815
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 4: I think, especially what I think Brian Robinson can get.

816
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 4: Logan Thomas has always fascinated me. I will say this

817
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 4: with the same cast of characters they were last year

818
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 4: twenty ninth and rushing DVOA in twenty six In past

819
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 4: DVOA and they there was a lot of quarterback chaos,

820
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 4: but it wasn't the worst quarterback play in the league.

821
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 4: That's sort of like they remind me of Denver, where

822
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 4: it's like I want to outside of McLaurin, like the

823
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 4: rest of you guys, like this should be a better group.

824
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe we had them a little high mark, but

825
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: I see them as average, like McLaurin is a true one.

826
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 2: To me, I'm not going to fight that hard. I

827
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 2: see that, and then the others. The other positions are

828
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 2: all just like solid. You know, we're solidly average. Logan

829
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 2: Thomas is a little bit of a question, but I

830
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 2: think it's a good group overall. I don't think they

831
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: have excuses at this point. They've been building this team

832
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: for four years. I think they've done a decent job

833
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 2: at it. It's like it's go time, and.

834
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 1: Yet they're starting a former fifth round pick with very

835
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: little experience or proof of past success. But whatever, We'll

836
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: see what happens. The Cleveland Brown is another one where

837
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: I was higher on the group than you boys were.

838
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: Seventeen for Mark, eighteen for Greg. I had him in

839
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: the top ten. I had as a top ten group

840
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: around Deshaun Watson. I think Amari Cooper is I put

841
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: him kind of right in that class with Terry McLaurin,

842
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: where I see him as a true number one, even

843
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: if he's not at the level of like the DK

844
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: metcalf or Justin Jefferson or Cooper Cup solidly an X

845
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: receiver you can pound the table for and improved that

846
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: last year. They have to me, the best running back,

847
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: the best power running back in football and Nick Chubb,

848
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry fans can can debate that, but Chubb, I

849
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: think just does it all the best, you know, pure

850
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: power and speedback in the league. At this point, it

851
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: gets a little thin at wide receiver, and having lived

852
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: through Elijah Moore, I am not buying into all the

853
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: offseason hype pieces, but in Cooper, in Chub and Chubb

854
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: that kind of sold me on this two star put

855
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: him in that territory. With Chubb being the example, like

856
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: I said with Cooper cup earlier, a true superstar is

857
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: going to pump him up, pump a team up about

858
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: five spots for me in this ranking, and that's how

859
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: they got from middle of the pack to top ten.

860
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 4: You know, I struggled, like I was like going in.

861
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 4: I thought the Browns would be higher in my list,

862
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 4: and not for past fan connections, but just that they've

863
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 4: done a nice job this offseason and I think you've

864
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 4: got to project that. Yeah, there's been a lot of

865
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 4: hype around Elijah Moore, but they've talked about how well

866
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 4: he's fit in the attack. So if that worked, suddenly

867
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 4: last year's really weak wide receiver group because I think

868
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 4: Donovan Peoples Jones fits as a two to three type guy.

869
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 4: He's a little inconsistent and a Joku's a little inconsistent,

870
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 4: but when he's good, he's fun to watch.

871
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: Harrison can I just also one thing, Mark, not to

872
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: interrup him, sorry, but in Joko, I meant to bring

873
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: him up. I love in Djoku, and I thought him

874
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: and Watson showed a lot of potential as a pairing

875
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: last year, even though Watson was so inconsistent. I could

876
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: really see him blowing up if Watson gets back to

877
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: being a high end starter, which I think is certainly

878
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 1: in the position. So it really was for me Chubb

879
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: Cooper and and then having a vibe that in Joku

880
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: could be a Pro Bowl guy this year.

881
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 4: I just think nin Jokhu's a frustrating watch because when

882
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 4: he's good, he looks great, and then there are some

883
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 4: incredible drops. I think, I look up and down this roster,

884
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 4: there's just some inconsistency. But you we can't factor in

885
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 4: the offensive line and the quarterback playing all this other stuff.

886
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 2: I mean, come at him as average, Mark, I think

887
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: it does show how deep skill position groups are that

888
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: they're coming out as average. I thought they'd be higher too,

889
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 2: but their best players are running back, so I do

890
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 2: dig them for that. Cooper's not a one to me.

891
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: We've kind of learned that, like when I said, like

892
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: the Bucks have two top twenty to twenty five, or

893
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 2: you know, I'd put Godwin and Evans both over Cooper. Uh,

894
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 2: and then it I like more in people's jones, but

895
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 2: that's that's not an amazing in amazing group. So they're

896
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: like a little blow average, not bad.

897
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 1: Oh, right, Number fourteen the New York Jets. This time

898
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: it was Mark at sixteen, Greg at nineteen. I had

899
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: him nine, sir as he is he drinking that green

900
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 1: juice always?

901
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 3: That is not a stunning result.

902
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: But their number two receiver is who is their number

903
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 2: two receiver? I would say Corey Davis is actually their

904
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,439
Speaker 2: second best receiver. I know they're not paying Blizard that way,

905
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: but in terms of having a.

906
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: Nice, right real I mean, Corey Daves is your second

907
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: best receiver. They like Alan Blizard a lot, and what

908
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: he brings to the offense and what his past success

909
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: or knowledge of the setup with Aaron Rodgers is. I

910
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: think Garrett Wilson is going to be a superstar this year.

911
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: I think Breese Hall that's the big question. Maybe if

912
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: I could do it again, I would have dropped him

913
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: a couple spots out of the top ten because I

914
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: can't just assume he's going to be the guy he

915
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: was immediately before the injury. So Breese Hall, though, to me,

916
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: flashed as a potential superstar running back. I just like

917
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: their depth at wide receiver. It's another group that's maybe

918
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: not after Wilson, filled with stars, but I do like

919
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: the idea of having Wilson, Corey Davis, Alan Lazard, McCole,

920
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: Hardman as your four. I think they're gonna be productive.

921
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see better production at tight end

922
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: with the real quarterbacks you do. Zama, I think as

923
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: a tight end that could do some things in a

924
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: real offense. And then it comes down to his Bresall Breeshall.

925
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 1: I wonder if they're gonna end up Dalvin Cook. I'm

926
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: kinda I keep on seeing that floated by different beat

927
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: scribes in that area that you know they are monitoring

928
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: that situation, and especially knowing Breeshall's medical situation, the Cook

929
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: ends up there, that would be a good fit for them,

930
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: But I'm going to I'm gonna follow the volleyball a

931
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: little bit on this one and say maybe I should

932
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: have dropped him two or three spots. But it's only

933
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: because I'm a little too bullish on Breeshall being immediately himself.

934
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: Otherwise I love to set up around rogers.

935
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 2: Many a little bit in my exercise of like who's

936
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 2: the second best skill position player in Breese Hall's is

937
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: a second year player coming off of torn Aclso to me,

938
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 2: it was just such a cliff fall. It's a little

939
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 2: like the Bills. So I had even lower than then.

940
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 2: We haven't gotten to but I had them lower where

941
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 2: it's like you have one great player and that's about

942
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 2: and then it's just okay, guys.

943
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 4: I feel like if Breesce Hall is healthy and he

944
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 4: is who he was last year, I'd hate to shadow

945
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 4: him with Dalvin Cook. I just wanted him to touch

946
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 4: the ball as much as he can. I'm not in

947
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 4: love with Alan Lazard and Mikole Hardman. I guess as

948
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 4: much as you are, do.

949
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: Fair, I'm not in love with them. I just think

950
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: they're depth pieces that give. They just have it's solid

951
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: behind Wilson's But it's not like Yeah, it doesn't blow

952
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: you away. I get that. Pittsburgh they come in at

953
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: number thirteen on this exercise, and let's take a look

954
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: at where they fell. Mark, you had Pittsburgh at nineteen.

955
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: I had them at fifteen. Greg, you had them as

956
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 1: a top ten unit at number ten. Tell us why?

957
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 2: Cause, like their top five positions are good? I mean,

958
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 2: I guess that's what I really leaned on. Like, if

959
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: you have above average starters at four positions, then you're good.

960
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 2: Nowji Harris is good. Pickens and Johnson is a nice tandem.

961
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 2: You have a very good tight end in Friar with

962
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 2: your third is you know, Alan Robinson and gets a

963
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 2: little thin after that, it's like not the worst thing.

964
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 2: So they're they're plus at a lot of positions and

965
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 2: they're gonna get better. Like, I think it's safe to

966
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 2: say these are this is a young team that gets better.

967
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: Surprised here, Mark, because I know you have we just

968
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: talked about making the leap. You have Pickens as making

969
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 1: the leap at wide receiver to being like a number

970
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: one type guy. Why are they down at nineteen?

971
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 4: I think this is one team that I struggled with

972
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 4: and I kind of want to I need to see it.

973
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 4: I need to see this growth. I think there's a

974
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 4: lot of there's good players here. There isn't a great

975
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 4: player here. I'm not as big on Nause Harris as

976
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 4: some people are, so I guess you know, when you

977
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 4: do this, it's like, could you convince me they're more

978
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 4: like fourteen or something?

979
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 3: Sure, it's how the chips fell a little bit.

980
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 4: But I just don't see one player that absolute I

981
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 4: can trust to dominate defenses.

982
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:07,479
Speaker 1: That's fair, fair, all right, Let's move on to oh

983
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: next team Number one on the urgency meter field Zeuser,

984
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. Have they built enough around Josh Allen?

985
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: A big question? DeAndre Hopkins a team, a player that's

986
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: been connected to this team. They certainly probably could use him,

987
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: especially according to Greg Rosenthal, who has him as the

988
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: twenty third ranked team just you know, almost a bottom

989
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: third skill position group in the league. Mark and Dan

990
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: were in lockstep on this one. Mark at ten, Dan

991
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: at eleven. I gave a preemptive league Greg, I'll tell

992
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: you again. Stefan Diggs, I'll give I gave him a

993
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: bump because I think he is a true one wide receiver.

994
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: Hopefully he's in a good mindset to continue to be

995
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 1: that way. And then when I looked at the rest

996
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,959
Speaker 1: of the depth chart, I was like, I was looking

997
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: at him. I was like, Okay, I think they did

998
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: a good job here. I think they need another guy.

999
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: But Gabe Davis, you have a tight end. You have

1000
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: Dawson Knox and Dalton Kincaid. Again first round pick. You

1001
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: don't know what you're gonna get from them, so I

1002
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: didn't put too much into that. And then at running back,

1003
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: James Cook and Damian Harris, who I've always liked, so

1004
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: I really like kind of that combo is an upgrade

1005
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: this year. At running game with the Digs, bump is

1006
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 1: how I got there.

1007
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 2: I do like their backfield that it's cheap, and you're right,

1008
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 2: maybe I didn't give enough value to true number one

1009
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 2: receivers like Diggs because I love Diggs. At first, I

1010
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 2: had them even lower, and I was like, I'm being

1011
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 2: too hard on the Bills. I had them at like

1012
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 2: twenty six to twenty seven. It's a pretty steep fall

1013
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 2: from Stefan Diggs to your second most explosive, slash reliable

1014
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 2: player that I'm excited about is probably Dalton Kincaid. I

1015
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 2: mean gave Davis is not a good two. The running

1016
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 2: the backfield's okay. I mean they're hoping to be average,

1017
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: I guess. So I get to me, you have like

1018
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 2: one receiver and it's a pretty big drop off to

1019
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: these teams that have three, four or five receivers. I

1020
00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: guess I was just thinking of, like, if you gave

1021
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, and I'm just picking some teams that were

1022
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 2: a little lower on your guys as maybe higher and

1023
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 2: mind like, you give Josh Allen the Saints or the

1024
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 2: Broncos or the Commanders weapons like, I think he'd be

1025
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: cooking even more. I think Josh Allen has covered up

1026
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 2: a lot in Buffalo and good coaching in that and

1027
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: we're not taking that into account.

1028
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they were second in passing Dvoa with

1029
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 4: a thin cast last year. For me, a lot of

1030
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 4: it is Kincaid, But this is one where it's hard

1031
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 4: to look at the skill position group and say, well,

1032
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 4: nothing matters here if you don't have Josh Allen. Like

1033
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 4: the whole thing centers around the quarterback as much as

1034
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 4: with any quarterback in the entire league. So it's I

1035
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 4: think he elevates their play and I.

1036
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: Know last year was a little bit tough, and maybe

1037
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: some of the digs drama where a lot of the

1038
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: digs drama is going back to the shift away from

1039
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: Brian Dable and maybe the offense not working as well

1040
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 1: last year, especially struggled in the red zone. Josh Allen

1041
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,439
Speaker 1: wasn't as good. But I'm looking at that wide receiver room.

1042
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: I know most people have forgotten about it now, but

1043
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: I remember you gave Davis. I remember you going eight

1044
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 1: for two oh one and four touchdowns in the greatest

1045
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: playoff game of the century, arguably Chiefs forty two Bills

1046
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: thirty six the thirteen second game. There's something in there

1047
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: with Gabe Davis. I think there's a chance you could

1048
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: see him get unlocked. And if he does, and they

1049
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: could really turn him into a true number two, they're

1050
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: gonna be humming. I think it's one of the big

1051
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: subplots of the year is that Bill's offense is it

1052
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: going to get back it's swaggering and be that dominant

1053
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: unit because it was a lot of hard work last year,

1054
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: surprisingly hard work. With Dable out of the picture.

1055
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 4: Gets could this be the team that goes and gets

1056
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 4: DeAndre Hopkins? Though that would change a lot, and I

1057
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 4: know the digs. There's reports that digs. You know, part

1058
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 4: of his frustration was that he really wanted them to

1059
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 4: go get DeAndre Hopkins.

1060
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 2: I mean, my vote barely made a dent. I guess

1061
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 2: this is why it's good to balance it out. I

1062
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 2: had him twenty third and they still ended up twelve,

1063
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 2: and you guys had him tenth and eleven. So it's

1064
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 2: like it's like my vote didn't even matter.

1065
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: Math baby all right now just outside the top ten.

1066
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: And this is perfect because they don't deserve to be

1067
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: in the top ten. But I don't just reactive Anti

1068
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 1: America's team takes. We don't do that either. So the

1069
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys are at number eleven. Wow, Mark, you had

1070
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 1: him at number six in the league. Greg and Dan

1071
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: were in lockstep at fifteen and fourteen. You love yourself,

1072
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: some Tony Pollard and some CD lamb. What else do

1073
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: you like?

1074
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 4: Brandon Cooks, Michael Gallup a year removed from physical chaos.

1075
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 4: You have to hope that Jake Ferguson can step in

1076
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 4: for Dalton Schultz. But you know, when this team is,

1077
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,479
Speaker 4: when they're vibing, I think they're one of the better

1078
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 4: offenses around, and I think they figured out what happened

1079
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 4: like last year with wide receiver Brandon Cooks, to me,

1080
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 4: will be a plug and play, totally productive guy. And

1081
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 4: I don't see a real weakness with this group of players.

1082
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: I think the Michael Gallop thing I'll push back against

1083
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: a little bit, just because, in a true Cescilarian way,

1084
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: you referred to it as a physical chaos of a

1085
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: year ago. But that was two years ago. Last year

1086
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 1: was the first season back from the ACL and.

1087
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 4: Well that's what I mean, though I don't think we

1088
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 4: got that player last year, right.

1089
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: But I for me, that puts me in a holding

1090
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: pattern on Galop because he came back from the injury.

1091
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: Wasn't the same guy, Kenny now two years removed. They're

1092
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: close to two years removed, be the guy where he

1093
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: looked like, oh he was maybe emerging number two or

1094
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: a star wide receiver maybe, But I think the jury's

1095
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,439
Speaker 1: out on this. Some guys just aren't the same after

1096
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 1: they suffer a serious knee injury.

1097
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 2: See like their ceiling is quite high. I could see

1098
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 2: why Mark you would put them at six. I think

1099
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 2: Dan and I had him in the middle because Cook's Pollard

1100
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 2: and Gallop are all a little bit distressed assets, you know,

1101
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 2: like Cooks is not the Cooks of five years ago.

1102
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 2: Good player will help, Pollard is coming off a serious

1103
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 2: injury now, and Gallop everything Dan said about him. So

1104
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 2: if they get the best versions of all three of

1105
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 2: those guys, like that is an incredible looking top four

1106
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 2: skilled guys.

1107
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: Also, who's their tight end.

1108
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 2: Ferguson maybe or the rookie schoon mocker.

1109
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 1: I mean, so that's it doesn't seem right. There should

1110
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: be like a serviceable white guy like anchored there somewhere

1111
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: Ferguson play.

1112
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 2: They played Ferguson and who is that other guy with

1113
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 2: a great.

1114
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 3: Names they played them started eight games last career.

1115
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, he played a lot.

1116
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: They do seem down a serviceable white though.

1117
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 2: I think Ferguson kind of like is the definite Like

1118
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,959
Speaker 2: if he if he pans out, he is your guy,

1119
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 2: Jake Ferguson.

1120
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 1: Wait, fingers crossed, All right, let's move into the top

1121
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: ten please at number ten the Los Angeles Chargers. How

1122
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: did we do on this one? Eight? Nine eight for Mark,

1123
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: nine for Greg, sixteen for Dan. I think I'm a

1124
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 1: little bit coming out of my I love Mike Williams

1125
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: keenan Allen tandem era. Just because of injuries and the

1126
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: idea at this point where penciling them in in June

1127
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: to just be a stud combo. I just it doesn't

1128
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: fly for me anymore, because I know that's just not

1129
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: how it goes with these two guys. When they are

1130
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: in the field, they excite me, but they're not typically

1131
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: on the field together. I know you have a first

1132
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: round pick and Quentin Johnson there that he's going to

1133
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: get a lot of snaps most likely, but we don't

1134
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: know what you have there. Gerald Everett is fine to me.

1135
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: And then the running game. I love Eckler. Eckler's awesome,

1136
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: but because of the Alan Williams constant injuries thing, it

1137
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: has depressed them for me, just a little bit.

1138
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 2: To me, I depressed them to put them down to

1139
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 2: eight or nine, because if everyone's healthy there, Josh Palmer

1140
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 2: is your third or your fourth. I think Josh Palmer

1141
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 2: is a good player. Like that's a top three or

1142
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 2: four group, and so I'm trying to bake in a

1143
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 2: little injury concern because otherwise this is a fantastic group.

1144
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you, and I guess I hadn't factoring

1145
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 4: that Quentin Johnson's going to be exactly what they need.

1146
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 4: I really think he's gonna fit with them, And to me,

1147
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:02,760
Speaker 4: I just see depth all over the place.

1148
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: We have at number nine the Kansas City Chiefs and

1149
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: Dan and had him at seven, Mark had him at nine. Greg,

1150
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: you had him down at seventeen. I was a little

1151
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: bit surprised that I had them as high as I

1152
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: did when I kind of went through it all. But

1153
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,479
Speaker 1: then I kind of thought about what we just talked

1154
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: about this week about Kadarius Tony and my belief, and

1155
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: then I gave that super duper star bump to Travis Kelcey,

1156
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 1: who Greg, I know, ear muffs, but he really is

1157
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: closing in and really building the argument as the greatest

1158
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: tight end to ever play the game. Shows no signs

1159
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: of slippage, So they get the bump because they just

1160
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: have this all world talent that commands all sorts of

1161
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 1: attention and game res season after season.

1162
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't need to just put on my

1163
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 2: ear muffs. How about how about Mike Dicka, how about

1164
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:59,959
Speaker 2: how about Kellen Winslow Senior? How about Shannon Sharp?

1165
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: Like?

1166
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 2: Why why are these guys all just getting definitely passed up.

1167
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 2: They all racked up All pros, Tony Gonzales and Tonio Gates,

1168
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 2: Like he's in that conversation, that's all.

1169
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: And is wait, are you saying he's behind all of

1170
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: those guys.

1171
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 2: No, but I don't think he's like way ahead of them.

1172
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 2: I think the league's changed. And they were incredibly valuable

1173
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 2: in their eras because the game was different and they

1174
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 2: blocked and and that was a big part of some

1175
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 2: of their games. And they're like their first team All pros. Yeah,

1176
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 2: they they are all very similar.

1177
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: Actually, Okay, great respect.

1178
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 2: I feel like the year after years and in agreeing

1179
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 2: with me here.

1180
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: As he as he racks up All pros, super Bowls,

1181
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,439
Speaker 1: as he does unforgettable things in the playoffs, takes over

1182
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: game after game.

1183
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 2: And but you said the greatest of all time, And

1184
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 2: I think I didn't say that.

1185
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: I said he's really building the argument, and.

1186
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 2: I think you're But first team All Pro is a

1187
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 2: great way to measure it. And all all of those

1188
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 2: guys are competitive or have more than him, So I

1189
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: think it's okay to say if we're saying all time,

1190
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 2: like they got to be in the in consideration, he

1191
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 2: is getting older though. He's turning thirty four this year,

1192
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 2: and their second best receiver is Valdez Scanting or Tony

1193
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 2: and the backfield is okay, And so to me, I

1194
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 2: think it's just a measure of Mahomes's greatness and Andy

1195
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 2: Reid's greatness. If you gave this group of weapons to

1196
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 2: a young quarterback, everyone would say they are not helping

1197
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:32,439
Speaker 2: him out enough.

1198
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 4: I'm with you entirely, like it was almost impossible for

1199
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 4: me to not look back at last year with a

1200
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 4: hodgepodge cast of characters that come out first in offensive DVOA.

1201
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 4: It's you gotta separate Mahomes from this exercise, but I

1202
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 4: just kind of feel the way they all fit together.

1203
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 4: I just trust the results. And maybe that's a shaky

1204
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 4: way to do this, but I just I trust the results.

1205
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: Kelsey has played basically nine seasons, and he's been either

1206
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: first or second team All Pro and seven of the

1207
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: nine seasons. His age thirty three season, one hundred and

1208
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: ten receptions, three hundred and thirty eight yards averaging twelve

1209
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: point two yards per catch, twelve touchdowns, and beyond that,

1210
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: beyond just the counting numbers, we've all watched a million

1211
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: Chiefs games in January and February now, and the guy

1212
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: is just different. He is the dude when you need

1213
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: somebody to make a play, he never lets that team down.

1214
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: And I just he's He's in that rare class. And

1215
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: I think about the greatest playmakers in like ATM history

1216
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: since we started this pods in twenty thirteen. The guy

1217
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: gotta have it, Like give me Travis Kelce, He's gonna

1218
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: go get it for me.

1219
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, love it guy. I think what Gronk did was

1220
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 2: more dominant while he played in terms of first team

1221
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 2: All Pros and stuff like Tony Gonzalez gets forgotten. He

1222
00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 2: is a six time first team All Pro and a

1223
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 2: ton on the second team too, And that's all. It's like,

1224
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 2: you had these guys that were totally dominant in their era,

1225
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 2: and I just don't want to over overreact and just

1226
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 2: say like he's the best of all time because he

1227
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 2: plays in this era. That's all.

1228
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 3: Well, you're a measured historian and we appreciate that.

1229
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, you did. You were the same guy and

1230
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: that you weren't wrong though that you've been talking about

1231
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahones is like the best ever since.

1232
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 2: Is because I think you can use your own evaluation

1233
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 2: and you see it, and I.

1234
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: Well you can. I can't. That's what you're saying, got it.

1235
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 2: I mean you can. And that's why I disagree, like

1236
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 2: we were allowed to disagree. I to me, he's not

1237
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 2: as as special as Gronk was during his peak. I

1238
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 2: think Gonzales actually is a good comp for him. For

1239
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 2: his era. Gonzalez racked up more like first team All

1240
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 2: pros and stuff like that. But I think they're very similar.

1241
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: All right, Mark, decide it, Bronk or Kelsey. Who do

1242
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: you want for one game?

1243
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 3: Gronk?

1244
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: All right, Greg, you win, go off to Japan. Now

1245
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: fly off. Not you don't even need a plane.

1246
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 2: I got a bird to catch you. Gotta fly all right.

1247
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: The Baltimore Ravens, this one wasn't surprising. Mark Hadham at twelve.

1248
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: I had him at thirteen. Seems sensible. Greg had him

1249
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: at number eight. Why Gregy, Why are they.

1250
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 2: So high depth? I mean they have the one of

1251
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 2: the best three tight ends in the league. I love

1252
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 2: Jay and Andrews, I love Dobb and then yes there's

1253
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 2: projection at wide receiver, but Beckham, Bateman, Flowers, Aglar, you

1254
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 2: have a nice backup tight end. And Isaiah Likely. To me,

1255
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 2: you just have a lot of guys. I think that

1256
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 2: was where I guess differed from you guys, Like if

1257
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 2: you had seven guys that I kind of liked, you

1258
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 2: ended up pretty high on my rankings. And the Ravens

1259
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 2: were that team.

1260
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: I mean they're high in our rankings too, right.

1261
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 2: That's yeah.

1262
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 4: I think we're Adam at twelve, like I almost I

1263
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 4: see like Isaiah Likely is like a fringe making the

1264
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 4: leap type guy. You've got Mark Andrews in front of you,

1265
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 4: but that is a really promising player. I guess for me,

1266
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 4: it was just like Rashan Bateman. Seen it in moments

1267
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 4: here and there, but can you do it for an

1268
01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 4: entire season?

1269
01:01:58,360 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 3: Who are you?

1270
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 4: Zay Flowers were hoping on Odell Beckham. Where are you

1271
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 4: at this point? So I kind of ding them a

1272
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 4: little bit on a wide receiver group that looks better

1273
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 4: on paper than what reality may present.

1274
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 2: Chargers above them.

1275
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: Now in hindsight, this isn't a new take for me.

1276
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 1: But you know, I thought Becking got too much money.

1277
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: I don't think he's been an elite player for years now.

1278
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: I know he had a nice run in the playoffs

1279
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: a couple years ago, but they also blew out his

1280
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: knee in that Super Bowl game. Just expecting him to

1281
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 1: be a you know, four month playmaker is just asking

1282
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: a lot. I I just don't see it, but Baltimore

1283
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 1: obviously does because they gave him fifteen million dollars guaranteed.

1284
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: It's crazy. The Vikings are at seven as a group.

1285
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: I don't think we were in lockstep on this one either.

1286
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: Not too bad. Actually, actually it's pretty good. Mark at seven,

1287
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: Greg at five, and Dan at twelve.

1288
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 4: I actually get a bonus when I put them at

1289
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 4: seven and they actually land at seven, or we all

1290
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 4: should because it took all our votes to do to

1291
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 4: do that.

1292
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,479
Speaker 3: But you know, it's like a bingo right there.

1293
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 1: It's really nice.

1294
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 2: I like Jordan Addison. Maybe I'm projecting too much, but

1295
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 2: I like him a lot as a two, in Osborne

1296
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 2: as a three, and Hockinson's a nice tight end. It's

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Speaker 2: a nice group, all right.

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Speaker 1: The last team outside the top five is the And

1299
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,439
Speaker 1: also they get for me the Justin Jefferson bump best

1300
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 1: wide receiver in the league. Even with Adam Fleeland now

1301
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: gone and dal McCook gone, you got Jefferson and he

1302
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: makes the entire team. What do you think the boat

1303
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: but the tie that lifts all boats got it nailed

1304
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: at Vegas at number six, thirteen for Mark but six

1305
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 1: for Greg, four for Dan. This is a great group

1306
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: of skilled players. I think for Jimmy Garoppolo or whoever

1307
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: ends up being the quarterback, Mark, why did you have

1308
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: him depressed a little bit compared to your colleagues here?

1309
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 4: I don't know, I get you know, this is maybe

1310
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 4: some bias. I'm just well son well like because with

1311
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,919
Speaker 4: Josh Jacobs, all right, I guess I'm in that camp

1312
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 4: of like I want to see it happen again. H.

1313
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 4: I wonder if Hunter Renfro will be on this roster.

1314
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 4: There's been trade whispers around him.

1315
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 2: But he's now it's on and now you had to

1316
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 2: count them.

1317
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 4: Sure, But like, I don't love the tight end group. H.

1318
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 4: Demante Adams is a true star. I don't know.

1319
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 3: I don't really trust. This is one where I baked.

1320
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 4: In the whole overall raiders like coaching staff mill you

1321
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 4: where I'm just like, I'm not sure I buy this.

1322
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 2: That's why I like this exercise. I think if you

1323
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 2: separate him out from being the raiders, you're like, Wow,

1324
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 2: this is a really good group, especially if mayor Michael

1325
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 2: mayor the rookie tight end pans out. But Renfro is

1326
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 2: a great a Grete three Jacobs is a great running back.

1327
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 2: You have a great one.

1328
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: It's a night if you The Myers, I think is

1329
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 1: a really good roster fits right number two behind Adams.

1330
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 1: It's just a lot. There's lots of light there, and

1331
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: it's you.

1332
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 2: Know, like imagine if Josh I keep saying this, but

1333
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 2: imagine if Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes or someone had

1334
01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 2: this group would be like they would be going freaking b.

1335
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: Freaking bananas, is right, Greg, you bring it back bananas.

1336
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 4: You remember with them at thirteen that I was going

1337
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 4: to get be in a weird camp there.

1338
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: Do you feel good about it?

1339
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 3: Yeah? Because I still think they're gonna win like seven games.

1340
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 2: I feel good because Raiders fans have something to be

1341
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 2: happy with us about, at least Danny and I. Yeah,

1342
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 2: it's like the one. It's like the nicest thing we've

1343
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 2: said about the Raiders in a while.

1344
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: Okay, there's only one team in the entire exercise that

1345
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: what we all agreed on, and we're not getting to

1346
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: them yet. But there's one other team that we all

1347
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: virtually universally agreed on but not quite the Seattle Seahawks

1348
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: and Mark you had him at number five, Greg you

1349
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: had him at number four. Dan had him at number five.

1350
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 1: That is a really good set up around Geno Smith,

1351
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: perhaps you know, making up for the fact that the

1352
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: quarterback is actually average. But you know that's you know whatever,

1353
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: he made the most with great weapons. It was an

1354
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:56,439
Speaker 1: unfair dig, but I threw it out there.

1355
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 2: I mean, part of it. Is there better this year

1356
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 2: than a year ago? Smith and Ja yes, yes, please,

1357
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 2: okay a healthy hopefully Kenneth Walker stays healthy. But then

1358
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 2: you add zak Sharbon ain't nice little rookie like even

1359
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 2: the tight ends like Phant and Disley, like that's a

1360
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 2: slide tight end group. Everything is solid and the receiver

1361
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 2: group ranks with anyone.

1362
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 1: I feel like I like dk metcalf a little bit

1363
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: more than other people, like some people put him at

1364
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 1: like number ten. I think he's like a top five

1365
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 1: talented that at wide receiver in the league. I love

1366
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 1: me and Lockett is just I mean, name me a

1367
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: better like one two duo that you can count on

1368
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 1: to just put numbers up year after year.

1369
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 4: These guys keep nailing the draft and altering and improving

1370
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 4: the roster. And I think that Jackson's number one there.

1371
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 4: But Zach charbon A, like he came out, he averaged

1372
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 4: seven yards of carry last year, had over the last

1373
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 4: two seasons twenty five hundred yards and twenty seven touchdowns.

1374
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 4: And they're talking about unless someone who literally is battling

1375
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 4: for the number one job. They've got a super deep backfield.

1376
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 4: I just see no weakness here with the Seahawks. I

1377
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 4: started them lower and I kept moving them up and

1378
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 4: up and up the list.

1379
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 2: Also, I believe I saw Zach Sharboney at the Westwood

1380
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 2: in and out. It was during draft season, and I

1381
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 2: were they were obviously football players, and I thought it

1382
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 2: was him, and then I like googled it on my phone.

1383
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, pretty sure that's him. So shout out

1384
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 2: to Zach. If you're listening, that was me.

1385
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 1: In the old days. Greg, if you were working at

1386
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: the PFT, that might have been a post about it.

1387
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: Is sharbon A taking his training seriously at the fast

1388
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 1: food joints.

1389
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 2: He got the lettuce, you know, the lettuce animals.

1390
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 1: Though, all right, we're closing in now, on the end

1391
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 1: of it. Uh, the Miami Dolphins come in at number four.

1392
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 1: We're all feeling hot about the Dolphins. Uh, Mark at four,

1393
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 1: Greg at seven, Dan at three, I mean, Gregy, I mean,

1394
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: I know seven is not a bad Sunday, but you

1395
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: got Jalen Waddle and Tyreek Hill. Dolphins fans are raising

1396
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:01,479
Speaker 1: their hands. No, we have the best one to two

1397
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 1: punch Barrios is whatever to me as your slot. But

1398
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: maybe an upgrade tight ends a little bit of a hole,

1399
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 1: I guess, but moster Jeff Wilson, maybe they end up

1400
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: with dal McCook. I look at it, and maybe I'm

1401
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: putting a little too much on the one two punch

1402
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: at wide receiver. But hot, damn, that is someone two

1403
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: punch speed kills.

1404
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 2: It's awesome and in retrospect, maybe I shouldn't have the

1405
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 2: Vikings ahead of them. But you mentioned it. The third

1406
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 2: receiver and tight end. That's two positions that seem a

1407
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,599
Speaker 2: little below average to me. So it didn't quite match

1408
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:32,440
Speaker 2: up with these other teams.

1409
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:35,639
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair. That's fair. I'm looking at it again.

1410
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 1: Maybe I should have toned that down. By the way,

1411
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill is involved with issues with the law once again,

1412
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 1: an altercation in which he's accused of, I think slapping

1413
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 1: somebody in the head. It's unclear if it's going to

1414
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 1: lead to any charges at this point, but the Dolphins

1415
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 1: are aware of it, the league's aware of it. Tyreek Hill,

1416
01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 1: keep your damn nose clean, brother, Come on now, keep

1417
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 1: an eye on that situation if it becomes something bigger.

1418
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 1: The Cincinnati Bengals coming at number three on our list.

1419
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 1: Two for Mark, three for Greg, six for Dan. I

1420
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 1: think the only reason two things I wanted to talk

1421
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:16,639
Speaker 1: about the Bengals with this. First of all, Joe mix

1422
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:17,760
Speaker 1: and we don't even know if he's on the team,

1423
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 1: but even even if he's not on the team, he's

1424
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 1: no longer Joe Mixon it appears anyway based on his

1425
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 1: play last year. And then the only other thing I

1426
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 1: want to kind of keep an eye on here, like

1427
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 1: I want Jamar twenty twenty one back before I'm ready

1428
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:37,480
Speaker 1: to crown the Bengals wide receivers as the best triplets

1429
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 1: in the league. I just thought like, if you kind

1430
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: of examined his season a little bit closer last year,

1431
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:47,799
Speaker 1: he was just not and I know there was an injury,

1432
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 1: but I'm factoring in kind of before and after the injury,

1433
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:54,480
Speaker 1: he was not nearly as explosive in terms of playmaking.

1434
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 1: And then you know, I kind of looked at his

1435
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 1: stats because that's how it felt, and sure enough, he

1436
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 1: actually had more cat eighty seven catches, but he had

1437
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 1: nearly five hundred and four hundred and fifty yards less.

1438
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 1: His yards per reception dropped from eighteen to twelve, which

1439
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 1: is pretty substantial. So in general, he was much more

1440
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 1: of a possession receiver in year two compared to year one,

1441
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:18,599
Speaker 1: where he was just blowing up the league and running

1442
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 1: through and passed and around guys. I'd love to see

1443
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 1: that guy again and feel like he is super duper star.

1444
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase I didn't think he was last year.

1445
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:28,600
Speaker 4: Well, I mean there's I think a couple things like

1446
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 4: the injury factor, the way that teams were no longer

1447
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 4: surprised by him on an level and had another offseason

1448
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 4: to plan for him. T Higgins becoming a genuine star.

1449
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 4: I hear what you're saying, but I think that we're

1450
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 4: going to get that player back where I almost I

1451
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 4: put them in number two. But I have to say

1452
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 4: that that's hoping that like the tight end position isn't

1453
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 4: a complete fail because there's just there's not a lot

1454
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 4: going on there. And if you got a lower version

1455
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 4: of Chase, they would not be the number the second

1456
01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 4: best offensive skill position group in this exercise.

1457
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 2: Right, they're hoping Nerve Smith is the dude to tight

1458
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 2: end and we'll see. I thought, you know, pound for pound,

1459
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 2: I take them as the best three receiver group in

1460
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 2: the league. I think you made a really interesting point.

1461
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 2: We've never talked about that with Chase. He did have

1462
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 2: more yards per game, though, and I guess I look

1463
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 2: at it like they he found a way to be

1464
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 2: extremely productive. He was still like a top five or

1465
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 2: six guy in terms of yards per game. You know,

1466
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 2: he missed five games, so the total yardage was down,

1467
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 2: and he did it in a different way, and you

1468
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 2: want him to get back to being explosive, but he

1469
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 2: still found a way to really impact every single game.

1470
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 1: Do you know how his yards per game is only

1471
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 1: higher because the targeting was relentless. I mean he played

1472
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 1: just twelve games and was still targeted more times than

1473
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 1: he was targeted in seventeen. Yeah, that's when he.

1474
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 2: Takes what the defense gives you. They adjusted, You're right,

1475
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 2: it was shorter, and that's less exciting. But Higgins, I mean,

1476
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 2: Higgins to me is a top fifteen receiver. I just

1477
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 2: love Higgins. So the fact that two of them are

1478
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 2: on the same team and you have a great number

1479
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 2: three in Boyd, it was just too much. It overwhelmed

1480
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 2: everything else for me.

1481
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 1: I guess I yeah, I just want to make a

1482
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 1: clear I'm not like down on Chase. I just thought

1483
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:08,640
Speaker 1: like it was he felt more like Justin Jefferson in

1484
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 1: year one, and then year two just felt a little different.

1485
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 1: His yards per target also was down from eleven four

1486
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 1: to seven point eight, so it was just a little

1487
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:18,720
Speaker 1: bit different. I'm curious to see what it looks like

1488
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 1: in year three for Jamar Chase. All right, now we're

1489
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 1: into the number two team and it is the Philadelphia Eagles.

1490
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 1: The Eagles we all love Mark. You HadAM at three, Greg,

1491
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 1: and I had them at two. And what else has

1492
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 1: to be said? Greg? I mean you did, and I

1493
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:41,480
Speaker 1: gave you a shout out on Twitter. Greg, your projected

1494
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 1: Starter series is great resource for things like this, and

1495
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,680
Speaker 1: you just look, you look at their both sides of

1496
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 1: the ball, really, but the offense too. They just have

1497
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 1: done such a great job building up every area of

1498
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 1: their team in the salary cap era, it's hard not

1499
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 1: to be jealous as a fan of a different team. Right.

1500
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 2: The Bengals, I said, are the best three receiver group

1501
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 2: wide receiver, but the Eagles are the best three pass

1502
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 2: catcher group. Brown, Devanta godd Her to me are all

1503
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 2: you know God mode there, God are It's so underrated,

1504
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 2: Like he leads the league in yards after the catch

1505
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:19,680
Speaker 2: per you know, per catch over the last couple of years,

1506
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:21,640
Speaker 2: which which is crazy. And I love DeVante and the

1507
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:24,599
Speaker 2: running back room has enough players between Swift and Game

1508
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:26,600
Speaker 2: one penny they think, I think they'll be fine. So

1509
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 2: they're awesome. And you mentioned that on Twitter. I wish

1510
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 2: I could have responded, but I've been locked out of

1511
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 2: my Twitter account for a week and a half. Haven't

1512
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 2: What if you had two factor authentication? You know, they

1513
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:42,799
Speaker 2: told us to sign up for the old two factor

1514
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 2: and then I got a new phone at work. They

1515
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 2: erase the old phone. Did the second factors go to

1516
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,639
Speaker 2: the old phone? So you know, I've contacted Twitter customer

1517
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 2: service and whatnot. It's a ghost town over there. If

1518
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 2: anyone works at Twitter and wants to somehow help me, out, that.

1519
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 1: Goes that number goes straight to like Elon Musk's burner

1520
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:03,599
Speaker 1: phone for his side people.

1521
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I might be done that that

1522
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:08,560
Speaker 2: might that account might be done. I've tried every troubleshooting

1523
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 2: thing possible. I'm logged out, and I don't know.

1524
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 1: It's just I know we we work for a fifteen

1525
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 1: billion dollar company, Greg, we have the strong arm of

1526
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 1: the shield. You want to maybe get them on the

1527
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 1: case to try to help you.

1528
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:23,719
Speaker 4: I've had these issues before, and like our social team

1529
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:26,839
Speaker 4: has actually jumped in and been great because.

1530
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 2: A unique one and they're helping and I think they're

1531
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 2: going to get it done. But but yeah, I was

1532
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 2: looking at it. Maybe it's a sign I'm about to

1533
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:37,640
Speaker 2: go to Japan. Would it be the worst thing in

1534
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 2: the world to have, like a five week break from Twitter?

1535
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:42,599
Speaker 2: I haven't I haven't minded the last week and a half.

1536
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 2: It's been okay, it's been okay.

1537
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 1: I'm missing a lot on Twitter right now. There's a

1538
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 1: lot of submarine stuff, a lot of Titanic stuff, a

1539
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 1: lot of heat waves stuff. Have I mentioned the.

1540
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 2: Heat The thing I missed the most is live sports,

1541
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 2: like ten I follow a lot of tennis people. And

1542
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 2: then when the NBA Finals, the game the game five

1543
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 2: was on Great Game, and I was like, I believed

1544
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 2: I want to I want to see.

1545
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 4: I'd set up a burner account, Greg and have a

1546
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:09,760
Speaker 4: second account. I know you that was suggested to you

1547
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 4: last night when we were with Erica and Lakeisha, that

1548
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 4: you just, you know, don't worry about this one, just

1549
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 4: start over, start a new one. He's got like four

1550
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 4: hundred and seventy thousand followers, Like I don't think it's

1551
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 4: going to be that easy to start for New Resistence.

1552
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 2: If we get to training camp, but and we haven't

1553
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 2: figured this thing out, that that is what I will do.

1554
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: Finally, the number one offense in case you haven't been

1555
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 1: able to figure it out, is.

1556
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:37,640
Speaker 2: Yes, you know it.

1557
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 1: The San Francisco forty nine ers mark deep all over

1558
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 1: the place and for me in my uh when I

1559
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 1: was going through it, the only team that has three

1560
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:54,320
Speaker 1: true stars and Christian McCaffrey, the best all round running

1561
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 1: back in the league, Deebo Samuel, the best kind of

1562
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,759
Speaker 1: do it all wide receiver in the league. George Kittle,

1563
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 1: who is a Hall of Fame level talent who showed

1564
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 1: last year he still had a Ton left in the

1565
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 1: tank and then Brandon Ayuku, I think is knocking on

1566
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 1: the door as like a star in his own right.

1567
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 1: At wide receiver as well. I mean you can't beat that.

1568
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:18,520
Speaker 4: I'd throw Elijah Mitchell in there as a really productive packer. Absolutely,

1569
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:21,480
Speaker 4: Kyle Yuscheck, I mean, the one of the only fullbacks

1570
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 4: matters any.

1571
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 2: Jon Jennings has really developed into a nice Jenny's third receiver.

1572
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 2: They've settled on their third receiver.

1573
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 1: Guy.

1574
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 4: This was I mean, I'm sure for all of us,

1575
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 4: but I just like I put them at one and

1576
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:33,679
Speaker 4: didn't never looked back. It was it was more about

1577
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 4: where to put the Bengals and the Eagles. But they've

1578
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:39,839
Speaker 4: consistently they're star studded and these each of the players

1579
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 4: have perfect roles. They're perfectly used. And I mean, I

1580
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:45,759
Speaker 4: just say to look at the what you saw the version.

1581
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 4: We got a Christian McCaffrey. If he stays healthy, I mean,

1582
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 4: they're almost unstoppable. I think they just baffled defenses. There's

1583
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 4: no way how do you figure out how to stop them?

1584
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter he's playing quarterback.

1585
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:58,759
Speaker 1: Right, You take this scroup and you put a great

1586
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 1: offensive line and gifted young play caller and Kyle Shanahan.

1587
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 1: You just need a serviceable quarterback that can make it

1588
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 1: all go. And that's you know, that's the way it's worked.

1589
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 1: And I wrote about this on NFL dot com this

1590
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 1: week about the forty nine ers and where they are

1591
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 1: right now. Doesn't it feel like the Niner should have

1592
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 1: a Lombardi Trophy or two? For the past dozen years,

1593
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 1: you had those great teams under Harbaugh and got so close,

1594
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:25,599
Speaker 1: and now you've had these great teams under Shanahan. They've

1595
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 1: had six playoff appearances in twelve years, too painful near

1596
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 1: misses in the Super Bowl, and now here they are

1597
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 1: again knocking on the door hoping to get some QB locked.

1598
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: But like the window is open right now with this

1599
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 1: offensive group because who knows how long you could keep

1600
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 1: them all together.

1601
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 2: Well, not only like six, you know, playoff appearances, they

1602
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 2: made the conference finals in all six, so they were

1603
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 2: in the final four six times.

1604
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 1: Good call.

1605
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's painful. They got it. It's true. It's tough

1606
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 2: to be that team that gets keeps getting so close.

1607
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 4: I'd say if you factor in Kyle Shanahan's Super Bowl

1608
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 4: loss to the Patriots with the Falcons the coach has

1609
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:05,760
Speaker 4: been through a lot of January and February disappointment, Like

1610
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 4: I give him credit.

1611
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 1: Don't forget about the Rams NFC title game loss two

1612
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 1: years ago as well.

1613
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 3: And they keep, they keep.

1614
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:13,600
Speaker 4: It's you don't see a lot of football teams that

1615
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 4: go through things like that and keep returning year after year.

1616
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 4: And that says a lot about to me, a lot

1617
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 4: about him as a coach.

1618
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 1: What that he can't close and he blows it all out.

1619
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 4: Well, there's that side, But the other side of the

1620
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 4: coin is like, you know, way Abraham Lincoln lost an

1621
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 4: election like eighteen times before he won one, So yeah, he.

1622
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 1: Lost at Ford's Theatre too, does that make him?

1623
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 4: Yeah he did, and that was the ultimate loss. I

1624
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 4: don't know why you needed to take it in that direction.

1625
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:41,679
Speaker 1: When did Lincoln Ford's Theatre's jokes become not too soon?

1626
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 1: Like what was the year? What do you think, like

1627
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 1: nineteen oh seven.

1628
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 3: Something like that, Yeah, like early nineteen times the.

1629
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 1: Open season on the Ford Theater jokes like turn of

1630
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 1: the century maybe.

1631
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 2: Just what like people are writing letters back and forth

1632
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 2: and it's like, you know, Gustavius is sending it. It's

1633
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 2: like too soon for that joke my friend.

1634
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 1: So I've noticed it's been a real uptick in the

1635
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 1: last couple of years of like like nine to eleven

1636
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 1: bits and stuff, And it's like, is that was that

1637
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 1: only twenty years? Is that? Is that? What it is?

1638
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 1: Maybe it was eighteen sixty eighteen eighty five?

1639
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 3: Are there a lot on the track like nine to

1640
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 3: eleven bits? Flip? Like there's a cropping up.

1641
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 1: Surprising amount, surprising amount on the internet I find I'll

1642
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 1: throw I'll send you some memes and things of that.

1643
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 3: Yes, send me some. I want to discover what you're

1644
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 3: looking at.

1645
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 1: All right, inappropriate all of them? I say, good stuff, Greg,

1646
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 1: you got to catch a bird. You're heading to Tokyo.

1647
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 1: Any final thoughts before let's let's let's save our pop

1648
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:45,440
Speaker 1: culture thoughts. The show went not surprisingly longer than we expected,

1649
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:47,840
Speaker 1: so we're going to put those in our back pocket

1650
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 1: for now, but you could share your thoughts before you

1651
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:51,560
Speaker 1: catch that bird.

1652
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:55,840
Speaker 2: You do get this feeling on days like you're about

1653
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 2: to take a little vacation or you're going overseas and stuff,

1654
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 2: and you just have that It's like a kid like

1655
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 2: feeling of excitement. I woke up excited today. You feel

1656
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 2: grateful for what you have to like this. We've had

1657
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 2: a tough offseason as a group, but there's there's no

1658
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:11,599
Speaker 2: two guys that'd rather be doing this with. We're having

1659
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 2: fun and this is a nice time of year for us,

1660
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 2: so we better enjoy it.

1661
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 4: It was nice, Greg, almost a great statement. I wish

1662
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:19,639
Speaker 4: you luck in Japan.

1663
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1664
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 2: I will be a couple of shows there, but it

1665
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 2: won't be for a week and a half.

1666
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 1: I think the one one of the big things I

1667
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:29,640
Speaker 1: took away from COVID in the lockdown year or so,

1668
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 1: how much not having something to look forward to affected me,

1669
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 1: you know, whether it was a meet up with friends

1670
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 1: or a vacation or this that when you were just

1671
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 1: locked in this like nothing else going on, that is

1672
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 1: what I missed the most. Like now you were looking

1673
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 1: forward to this trip to Japan and now you're off.

1674
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 1: And finally, last thought this coming from behind the virtual glass.

1675
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 1: Social psychologists colon it takes thirty six days after a

1676
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 1: tray before jokes about it become funny. That's not true.

1677
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 1: Thirty days is indeed too soon. Thirty six years maybe

1678
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 1: thirty six days. I don't buy that, all right, Greg?

1679
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 1: With that, with that information, to the far East with you.

1680
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 2: Good luck all right.

1681
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:19,680
Speaker 1: To everybody else. Have a great weekend. We'll see you

1682
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 1: on the other side. Mark you and me buddy with

1683
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 1: Connie Fox on Tuesday.

1684
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 3: I'll see you then.

1685
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 1: Heed the call.