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Speaker 1: Then the whole story specific life ought to rennivents, to

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Speaker 1: my uh, there was a there was a wonderful woman

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Speaker 1: named Gwen Cherry who was the first black woman to

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Speaker 1: run for office in Miami. And my dad used to

431
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Speaker 1: take me around to hand out leaflets for her and

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Speaker 1: knock on doors and and do that and uh. And

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Speaker 1: she had such I mean I was a little kid,

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Speaker 1: but she had such a good spirit. I mean, what

435
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Speaker 1: did I know? But I really I really liked it,

436
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: admired her. She just felt like a um, like a

437
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 1: good person, like a strong person. And and so I

438
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: grew up admiring Uh people ran for office. I fell

439
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: out of love with it, I would say a little

440
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: bit for a few years. And then I think that

441
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 1: when you were working for the president or curious just curious,

442
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Speaker 1: um uh, not answering, but I will tell you, um,

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Speaker 1: I have been Um. Do you ever watch Carlino's Way

444
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: with al Pacino by an I've never seen. Oh it's

445
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: a great movie. Anyhow, I've been reinvigorated. You won't get

446
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 1: it unless you see it, but I've been reinvigorated as

447
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: I have seen. Uh um, just all of these interesting

448
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: young people uh aoc Jamal Bowman, Lauren Underwood. Um, there's

449
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: a young woman running for governor in Virginia right now,

450
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Carol Foy um. Um. Just just really just really

451
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: creative people. Stacy Abrams, like never surrendering. Charles Booker uh

452
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: in Kentucky, just you know, still a smile on his

453
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: face and he's like, I'm not done, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I may have lost this Senate race, but like, I'm

455
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: not done. That was just one thing, Like this is

456
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: a longer thing. And so I really I have been

457
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: uh inspired, And I do I do think about it,

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00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: uh more, not enough to actually do anything about it yet,

459
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 1: but but yeah I do. I do. I do think

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Speaker 1: about it in a way that I didn't even even

461
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: two years ago. Did you ever have one career choice

462
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Speaker 1: in mine after you you go to you know, obviously

463
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 1: maybe practicing law, but did you did you say this

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Speaker 1: is this is my my dream? Gig is going to

465
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Speaker 1: be this or has it always been to have a

466
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Speaker 1: media company? Has it always been to make education, um

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00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: easy for or people in the inner city. Has it

468
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 1: always been all of the different things that you do? Um?

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Speaker 1: You know what, No, I don't think I had a

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Speaker 1: plan and I think. Um. There was a nice Spanish

471
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Speaker 1: teacher at in college, Senor Google, and he was always

472
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Speaker 1: so nice to me. And uh he used to used

473
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Speaker 1: to everyone needs good affirmation. And he used to give

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Speaker 1: me good affirmation about the possibilities ahead. And he would

475
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: sometimes ask me like, what do you think would happened?

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00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: And I sometimes think like what would I like? What

477
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: would that kids say? And that kid would not have predicted.

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Speaker 1: But I carry I've enjoyed what I've gotten to do. Um.

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Speaker 1: Not everything has worked out perfectly or easily well, but

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Speaker 1: I've enjoyed it. I've gotten to meet good people. I

481
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: like creating. I like being a part of tackling a

482
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: blank canvas. Some people don't like blank canvases, but I

483
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: actually like blank canvases. Um. They don't make me nervous.

484
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: They make me excited. They make me think about what

485
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Speaker 1: could happen. Um. Um, I love I've worked with a

486
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: guy named James, and uh, he told me something really

487
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: nice he said across before I came here, I thought

488
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Speaker 1: of myself as someone who just got stuff done, was

489
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Speaker 1: good at execution, but wasn't a creative And he said,

490
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: now I think of myself as creative and able to

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Speaker 1: get stuff done. And so I like when those kinds

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Speaker 1: of things happen and when people are growing and enjoying.

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Speaker 1: So um. So I wouldn't have predicted it, but I I,

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Speaker 1: you know, but I've you know, I've felt um, I

495
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: felt lucky about what I've got to. What I really

496
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: wanted to do, that was play pro football. That's what

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Speaker 1: I really I was gonna say, I was gonna say,

498
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: did you want me an athlete? Yeah? I really? Yeah?

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00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: What position? I wanted to be a quarterback? Okay, yeah, okay,

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00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: you know you know what we needed? We needed, um,

501
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: we needed we needed great quarterbacks, including great black quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: And UM, when I was growing up, there weren't that

503
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Speaker 1: many and uh and the few that were were often

504
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: in college and Nebraska had a guy named Turner Gill

505
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Speaker 1: and Clemson had a guy named Homer Jordan's and I

506
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: just loved, uh, you know, I just love seeing those

507
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: guys out there. So I just interviewed Eddie George before

508
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: we interviewed you, and I think it's it's a beautiful

509
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: thing because I told him I'm so excited that he

510
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like we were seeing at a

511
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: turn and a lot of our talent and by army

512
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: culturally black folks who were turning back to HBCUs And

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Speaker 1: I think that's just beautiful because so many times we

514
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: think they're ice is colder than ours. Like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I had a choice. I went to U c l A.

516
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Speaker 1: But I also got into Howard and mothers like U

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Speaker 1: c l A is better? Well why is it better? Mother? Right,

518
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: it's just a piece of paper. So you I like that.

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Speaker 1: Did you almost go? Were you did? Or was she

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Speaker 1: so strong in it? I have a choice? Yeah, okay,

521
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: it wasn't a choice. It wasn't a real option. Okay,

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00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: she made me think I had a choice, but a

523
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: little bit up the street. Right. You appear always so

524
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: a beat? What don't you like? What bothers you in

525
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: society today? What don't I like? Um? I used to

526
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: be more bothered by people giving up and quitting. Um

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00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: I used I used to be more bothered by that,

528
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Speaker 1: especially if I was playing pick up basketball, as anybody's

529
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: played with me before knows. It was one thing not

530
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: to be good. It was another thing to give up

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Speaker 1: or not try hard that I wasn't. I wasn't particularly

532
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: good with um, you know. I Um, it's funny. I

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Speaker 1: I wish for everyone. You know, a lot of the

534
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: things that bother me are the same things that that

535
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: bother you. One of the things that I probably feel

536
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: even more acutely is I wish for everyone. Um. I'm

537
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: always taking by this Maya Angelo thing that every child

538
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: should have a room that they walk into at least

539
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: one adult's eyes light up. And I do think something

540
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: special happens when you feel valued. And I think that's

541
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: true not just for kids, but for adults, for seniors,

542
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: for all sorts of people, And so I, um, it's funny.

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00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: I was watching a congresswoman from Maryland. Oh my goodness,

544
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: I'm losing her last name, but I saw her talking

545
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: on c SPAN Carrie, and I can't quite articulate this

546
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: perfectly well, but she was saying such interesting things, but

547
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: she was saying them in a way that was clear

548
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: that even though she was a member of Congress, she

549
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: wasn't used to people listening to her and taking her

550
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: fully seriously and celebrating it, and I was in my mind,

551
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: I was thinking about someone else who might be a

552
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: white man, same exact same thing, who might be used

553
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: to being well received and just the different way you

554
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: would say it. And I thought, oh, man, I kind

555
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: of wish for all of us that that that wasn't

556
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: the case, that that um uh, that there was greater celebrations. So, um,

557
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: there are a lot of things that I hope get

558
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 1: better in the world. And I probably think a lot about, um,

559
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: you know, everybody getting a fair shot, or at least

560
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: more people, you know, getting a fair shot, And what

561
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: does that look like, because because I'm hearing you wish

562
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: people were celebrated more, that we got a fair shot.

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00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: Are you referring to about social justice? Are you wishing

564
00:33:53,880 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: that women and women are are all honestly created equal? Yeah? Um,

565
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: you know, I've probably attempted to say all of it,

566
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: but but I mean, you know, I would love that,

567
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 1: uh um, that more people were celebrated in their everyday

568
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: lives or at least were affirmed. And I think about

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00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: all of the folks who probably um don't feel like

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00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: they have champions, and so I think about that um

571
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 1: pun intended, um um I think about our education system.

572
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: I do. I think are about our economic system. I

573
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 1: think about people who work really hard and who um

574
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: you know, um you know where it's you know, it's

575
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: still hard to make ends meet. So um So I

576
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 1: think about all that, and I do think that there's

577
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: a The good news is I feel like we were

578
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: at a moment of social justice and of reimagining and

579
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: of imagination where there's a chance to think about things

580
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: very differently, not just to make small changes, but big Jane,

581
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: just and care. I hope that will happen. I keep

582
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: telling everybody I work with it. I think the Ties

583
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 1: are going to be the new sixties. And I think

584
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: that's a good thing because I think the sixties was

585
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 1: an era of revolution and and I think that could

586
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: be a good thing now if in fact, it is

587
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: uh an era of revolution and we take all of

588
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: your optimism and you run for president. Do you need

589
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: a running mate? I need a champion of Yes, Okay,

590
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: I need a champion. I need a champion, I do,

591
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: I do? I do? That would be that would be

592
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: a fun duo. Know, once they get through the discovery process.

593
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: If a second, do you know, do you know it's

594
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: funny everybody's life that somebody is going to tap them

595
00:35:53,680 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: on the shoulder. It's exactly that. Wait can we talk right? Yes? Yes?

596
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: And then you're like, I don't know about meeting you,

597
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: But for me, I'm like, wait, what did I do?

598
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: Because nine times I know I did something? But I'm

599
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: not giving you any information. You don't have to give

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00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: me all details. You can't very specifically, I will not

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00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: die myself out. Well, do you remember that ship? Remember

602
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: that Chapelle's show skit about You know that Chapelle's sto

603
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: It's not funny now, but at the time it was

604
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: crazy at ahead of its time. Chapelle had a skit

605
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: about R Kelly. Did you ever see that R Kelly skit?

606
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: I forget no, tell me, tell me tell me. Basically,

607
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: it basically was like what it takes to convince other

608
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: people that what they're saying to Broad Daylight is true?

609
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: It is wrong, and uh and it's like you gonna

610
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: have to show me proof. You can't tell me you like,

611
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: show me proof. So yeah, no, I I don't remember that,

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00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: but you're absolutely right because I'm not. I'm not gonna

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00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: give you any information. Sir Madam. My favorite Chappelle, so

614
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: a skit is and you've worked with her. So this

615
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: leads me to this conversation is do you remember when

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00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: he married Oprah and he walked into the office. I

617
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: was like, I quit, bitch, or I'm rich, bitch, like

618
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: he Opra proposed or he proposed And it was the

619
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: best visual ever. He was kicking in, kicking trash cans

620
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: in the office. Out of here and then Oprah call.

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00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, honey, huh okay, yeah, I love you too.

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00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: I'm rich. You know what. Chappelle was the first one

623
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: to start teasing Oprah because before Chappelle, nobody would tease Oprah.

624
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: He would do just a little bit. And I missed

625
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: him while he was gone that whole time. He is

626
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: he is very, very funny. I missed him while he

627
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: was gone. He's a new he's a new funny. Now

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00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: he's a thoughtful funny. He is a very much like

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00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: let me tell you what, let me laugh at my

630
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: pain funny, which I which I which I appreciate. Guys,

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00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: we gotta take a quick break, don't go anywhere. When

632
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: we come back, Carlos breaks down what Ozzy is, what

633
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: Asi fest is, and what he would have done, or

634
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: what he thinks he would have done if he would

635
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: have been there when George Floyd died. Every champion and

636
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: carry champion is to be a champion of champion and

637
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: carry Champion and carry Chappio. A champion and carry Chappion

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00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 1: and carry Chappion and sports and entertaining, connect him work.

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00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: Every champion and carry champion is to be a champion,

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Speaker 1: a champion, They carry Chappion, Champion, they carry Champion and

641
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Speaker 1: carry Chappion, Sports and entertaining and naked. All right, thanks

642
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: for hanging out in You know, I gotta pay the

643
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: bills so you grow up and get paid and be

644
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: cute on TV. A welcome back. Uh. So you notice

645
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: during this entire discussion he also is interviewing me. It's

646
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: such a habit and I don't mind it. And it's

647
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 1: also taking me out of my comfort zone as well,

648
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 1: and it's forcing me to stop down and be like, well,

649
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: this is called naked, I should be sharing. But as

650
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: we get back into the second half of the podcast,

651
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: I really wanted you all to pay attention to what

652
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: AZZI is. What does it mean? Um? I tried to

653
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: describe it earlier. I'm not as elegant or eloquent as

654
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: he is in describing it, but he says it's a

655
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: vibrant young media company. Started off as an online magazine newsletters,

656
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: keeping people up to date, tracking different folks, new folks,

657
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: what's trending, what's happening, and it has manifested, I'm sure

658
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: in his eyes, and become something so much more important

659
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: to the culture in the community at large. And I'm

660
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: impressed by that. I think that talking to visionaries always inspires.

661
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: It always makes you think, well, what else is possible?

662
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: Listen to Carlos as he talks about this company and

663
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: tell me you don't think, well, dang, what else is possible?

664
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: What should I be doing? Let me stretch my mind.

665
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: It's a blessing. As we talked about all your different

666
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: adventures before we get into your media and entertainment company,

667
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: and I have azz, right, I'm saying, or is it? Oh?

668
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: You know what? Tomato? Tomato? I say, Ozzy, So I

669
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 1: say it like you say it. But if you were

670
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: across the pond in England, you might say, Okay, I

671
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: just want to make sure, okay, I dive into that

672
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: you have all of these when you jump on our

673
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: side of the world say our side. You're part of

674
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 1: the media as well. But when you come into this world,

675
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: I remember watching you and thinking star power like MSNBC, CNN,

676
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: it was just special, um. But after you start working

677
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: in our business for some time, as in with most businesses,

678
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: it loses his luster. You um, fall out of love

679
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: with the politics sometimes of it all, and and you

680
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: have to stay focused because you have to keep the

681
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 1: main thing, the main thing, whatever that is for you.

682
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: So I am curious, how do we how do we

683
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: decide or it may have been decided for you, but

684
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: how do we decide? I'm leaving cable News UM in

685
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: a traditional way in creating my own entertainment and media company. Yeah, um,

686
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: you know there were a couple of pieces to that.

687
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 1: Part of it was decided for me, um. And it's interesting.

688
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: I wasn't sophisticated enough at the time where I was,

689
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: but I didn't trust my voice to call it fully

690
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: what it was. And it was an interesting time in

691
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: which you were encouraged not to call it what it was.

692
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: But I think it was. I think it was racism.

693
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: I think it was I think it was racism, and

694
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: I think it was um Uh. I think a lot

695
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: of the folks had a very specific vision of what

696
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: they wanted. It fit neatly if you were at this

697
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: particular network, an angry white guy, like they had all

698
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: the time in the world for you, and they somehow

699
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: equated that with brilliance. And I thought, like, why is

700
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: that brilliant? Like that's not um and uh. And they

701
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: were very excited about me trying to do that, and

702
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: I was very excited about not doing that and uh.

703
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: And so that became a little bit of of an issue.

704
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: Um but I um uh. But the other piece of it,

705
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: too was it wasn't just that you obviously or not obviously.

706
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: But thankfully there were options to go elsewhere and find

707
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: other things to do. But for family reasons, I end

708
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: up having to move out to California because my mom

709
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: was was very sick, and really a lot of it

710
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: carry honestly, was her encouragement. Um. You know, she just

711
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: she had been a teacher and she just always felt

712
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: like you should keep learning, keep growing. And when I

713
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: came out here to take care of her, she uh um,

714
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: you know, she just really felt strongly that you can't

715
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: just take care of me, We can't just be in

716
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: doctor's offices all day every day, like we gotta get

717
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: you busy. And so, uh, you know, one day on

718
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: the way home from the hospital, we stopped at a

719
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: office depot. We bought a white board. I'm the kind

720
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: of person who thinks out loud. I call it like

721
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: drawing on the board. And I started doing that, and uh,

722
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: I would sit at her table trying to write a

723
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,959
Speaker 1: business plan for this new idea, and you know, um

724
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: uh you know, she had a good sense of humor.

725
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: She always said that she needed to be briefed like

726
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: she was the president, so I needed to give her

727
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,479
Speaker 1: update all where I was. It was just her way

728
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: of keeping it going. And uh and then you know,

729
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: like I said, I kind of like creating. I met

730
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: a really good business partner who I had known from before,

731
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: but we reconnected and then it really started going. And

732
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: and it's been you know, it's been hard work, but

733
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: it's it's fun. I really to your points, sometimes you

734
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: kind of fall out of love with stuff, and I

735
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: I really enjoy it still. I really I enjoy I

736
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: enjoy kind of building and creating and feeling like we're

737
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: doing something valuable and different. So I enjoy it. For

738
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: the folks, listening, tell us what AUSY is, and like,

739
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: what is If someone said, tell me I'm not familiar, Yeah,

740
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: so I would say AUSSI is a vibrant, young media

741
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: company that started as an online magazine, meaning that we

742
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: had very cool newsletters, one in the morning to catch

743
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: you up, one in the afternoon to vault you head.

744
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: That Ozzy was always about the new and the next,

745
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: so rising stars, new trends, big ideas before they were mainstream.

746
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 1: So we would profile a young South African comic before

747
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: he was Trevor no at the Daily Show, or a

748
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: publicist before she was Able du Verney, or college student

749
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: with the stutter before she was a Manda Gorman or

750
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: a you know, a young singer before she was due Leipa.

751
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: But we always we're trying to identify kind of the

752
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: new and the next, and that work our daily newsletters,

753
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 1: the articles became TV shows, and so we started doing

754
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 1: shows like The Contenders and breaking big and defining moments,

755
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: started doing podcasts like The Thread and Flashback and Ausie Confidential,

756
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: and then finally a lot of our audience set I

757
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: like reading Ozzie watching listening, But why don't you ever

758
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: get people together? Why isn't there a community, And so

759
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: we started this music and ideas festival called Azzi Fest,

760
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 1: which some people described as Ted meets Coachella. Because we've

761
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: got great speakers like a Fauci or Condi Rice or

762
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: a Malcolm Gladwell. Um. But then we've also got great

763
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: musical performances by people like John Legend and Seventh Street

764
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: or and others. Or we've got great chefs like Marcus

765
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: Samuelson and Tom Calichio. Or we'll have great comedians. I

766
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: love all the great comedians. We've had, folks like Chelsea Handler,

767
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: Andrey and Taken Taro so um. Yes, Ozzy started his

768
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: one thing as this kind of online magazine and now

769
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: is a broader media company that reaches seventy five million

770
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: people every month. You're doing it. I'm so proud of

771
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: you and stuff. You know what I'm saying. I'm so

772
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: proud of you and stuff. Okay, I love it. Thank

773
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: you for breaking that down. Um, I I think there

774
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: is so much more left for you, and I just

775
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 1: want to be able to at least say I tried

776
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: um to get past your sweet exterior that doesn't want

777
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: to say I'm not answering any questions you you know

778
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: what you did it, you you got past it, And

779
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: I've answered you that was only one time, But any

780
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: other conversation there have been six more of those. But

781
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 1: but done sweetly and nicely. But uh but but um,

782
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 1: but no, you know what. I love what I'm doing,

783
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: and UM, I will say that the last twelve m

784
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: eighteen months. Obviously, I don't want to compare my situation

785
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: to all the people who died or came close to dying,

786
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: or who had loved ones died. So I'm not trying to. Uh,

787
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to in any way compare myself there.

788
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: But there's no way to not have like rethought everything

789
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: over the last year. Like everybody, I'm sure you too,

790
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 1: had to have taken a little bit of a step back. Yeah,

791
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: a lot of step backs. I did a lot of

792
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: things that I would have never done privately too, and

793
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: then I announced it to the world like I I

794
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: move in silence, and then you just have to catch

795
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: up when I tweet about it. I I feel like

796
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: what has happened in this last year and a half,

797
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: which has been UM Heaven sent for me. I have

798
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 1: been able to find my voice in our community. Um

799
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: I've always been very bold about how I feel about

800
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 1: the struggle, the joy, the love of the black woman,

801
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: and the unfairness, the racism, the daily racism that we experience,

802
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 1: the microaggressions, all of the things that people are talking

803
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: about now is if they are new, that has always

804
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: been a part of my career daily. Yeah. The beauty

805
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: I believe now is that there is a freedom to

806
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: have these conversations. And some people want to do them

807
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,479
Speaker 1: in a way in which it's nice and in a bowl.

808
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: But I'd like to get to the meat of it.

809
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 1: You know. I like to sometimes speak in broken vernacular

810
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: so I can make a point. But I I want

811
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: to ask you as a black so many resources and

812
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: someone who presents very comfortably uh and talks about the

813
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: black community and what you want to do, Like, you

814
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: don't have to be a radical, you know, revolutionary. You

815
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: could do it whatever way you choose to. But do

816
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: you feel an obligation, especially within the past year, the

817
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: recent events that have really put a spotlight on what

818
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 1: an unfortunate country we live in that was built on racism,

819
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: do you feel a certain responsibility with Aussie with your

820
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: platforms to make sure that you are pushing the needle

821
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: forward and and and talking about the new and the

822
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: next if you will in social justice. Yes I do.

823
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: And thankfully it's not just me. I feel like our

824
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: team does, and and I feel like there there's a

825
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,720
Speaker 1: passion and a broad commitment to that. And in fact,

826
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: I've got teammates like a woman I work with and Kendra,

827
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: whom another gentleman named Stepan, who I think would tell

828
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: you that no small part of their decision to join

829
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: ASIE was was seeing that commitment, feeling that commitment, feeling

830
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: that commitment, and seeing that commitment even before it was

831
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: a national and an international conversation. And so I think

832
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: that that is uh. I do feel like that, and

833
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,720
Speaker 1: I feel like we need that because you know, whoever

834
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: controls the conversation establishes the norms. I mean again, when

835
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: you there's so many pieces to it, but when you

836
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: when you think about, you know, Derek Chauvin being on

837
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: not just him being on someone's neck, but all the

838
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: other police officers standing by and watching it, and all

839
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: the other people um thinking it was wrong, knowing it

840
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: was wrong, trying to say something but but but we

841
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: all were so frozen in place that you know, today,

842
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: I've got to believe that if someone saw that, even

843
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 1: at risk and bodily harm, they would they would run

844
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: and tackle him. Right today, I have to believe that

845
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 1: someone would run and tackle Derick Chalant off of George

846
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: Floyd or off of somebody that. But and so I

847
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: think we need media companies that reset the conversation. And

848
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: I don't really think that you're gonna get it from

849
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 1: a lot of legacy media companies. Not that they're bad people, um,

850
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: but that's not what you're gonna get. That's that's not

851
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: what they're here for, right And even if they are,

852
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: they're not here for that for the long term. And

853
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: so you do need it's really important that there end

854
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: up being some media companies that uh have been founded

855
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: by and are led by people who are black and

856
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: brown and Asian. And and again not that those are

857
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: the only people that can start media companies, but we

858
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: have to integrate media ownership if we really want to

859
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: integrate the story as that are told in the narratives

860
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: and what becomes normalized. Right, because media helps normalize things.

861
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: They help someone normalize the idea that you could watch

862
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 1: another person sit on someone's neck for nine minutes and

863
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: someone normalized that. Someone normalized that because ultimately how many

864
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: of us were there? Probably people were there for all

865
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: nine minutes or most of it. And and again I'm

866
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: not saying those are bad people, but someone normalized it, right,

867
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: And imagine what's that fear? I mean, I'm saying, yeah, yeah, fear.

868
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: So my thought, my thinking is what would I have done?

869
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: What I had tackled the officer? What would you have done?

870
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: Carlos would first of all the what would you have

871
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: done if you saw that? Not not now, but then

872
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: if you saw that? What would you have done? You know?

873
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 1: I don't really know? Um, And my used always say

874
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: that about everything. So everybody always talks about what they

875
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: would do, But but what would you do if you

876
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: were actually in it? And in that moment? I don't

877
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: really know. I do. I want to believe that I

878
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: would have I do, because you know, I you know,

879
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: I do want to believe I would. But what would

880
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: I have? I I don't, I don't know. I don't know. Um. Um.

881
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: The closest I can get to it is I used

882
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: to Um. You know, my grandmother was a teacher as well,

883
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: and had lots of conversations about history and about the

884
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: family too, and I talk a lot about slavery, and

885
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: you know, my great grandfather was a runaway slave from

886
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: North Carolina. And I think sometimes like what would I

887
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 1: have done? Would I have? You know, what would what

888
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: would I have done? And we watch Roots as a kid,

889
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: and what would I have done? Would I have? Um? Um,

890
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: So I don't know. That's a great question. Yeah, I mean,

891
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: I just a great question because it puts a lot

892
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: in perspective. I fail that to say, um, I appreciate

893
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: what you're doing for our culture. Um. I think it's

894
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: important to have these conversations. And again, beyond apologetic, you

895
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: don't have to rub it in any one's face, but

896
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: we should normalize saying it's okay to talk about racism,

897
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: it's okay to educate racism, it's okay to say I've

898
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: had bad experiences with if I'm white black people, if

899
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: I'm if I'm black white people, it's okay. All of

900
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: this is okay because we're never going to be able

901
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: to push the needle forward, as cliche as that sounds.

902
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: If we're not able to have these uncomfortable conversations, our

903
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: brain has to embrace uncomfortable in every way. Possible, like

904
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: we usually push it away. We medicate. I drink wine

905
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: and ate the whole pandemic to dis medicate what I

906
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: was feeling. Although although I felt good about that Carlos,

907
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 1: I won't. And what kind of food does miss champion for?

908
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: What makes miss champions? Oh gosh? Well, you know I

909
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: grew up in l A. So I call myself this

910
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: is so holy inappropriate. I'm black Sican, so I'm have

911
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: black of Mexican, so I love Mexican like I could.

912
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: That's it, right, do you know what? Do you know what?

913
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: That's a good start, and sometimes all you need is

914
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: a is a good start. You don't you know what?

915
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: The the for a long time in this life that

916
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: this is weird to say the best Mexican food I

917
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: had was in Detroit. Oh wow, Not in l A,

918
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: not in Texas. Not sorry, within the US, not in

919
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: l A, not in Texas, not in Colorado. Detroit. Detroit

920
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: for a long time had unusually good and unexpected Mexican food.

921
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: I have to talk to Jamal about that because she

922
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: thinks every she says, thinks everything is great out of Detroit.

923
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 1: I have you guys? Are you guys are great together?

924
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:08,720
Speaker 1: I hope you guys end up enjoying that, because good

925
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: friends are such a good thing in this world. If

926
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: you have a good friend who you really enjoy being around,

927
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: that is a treat. That is a good treat. I

928
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: remember you had a third grade friend. Our roles have

929
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 1: changed though. I used to be the scary, shy one

930
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: and she used to be the best ones And she's

931
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: gotten married. Now she's more, she's retreated, And then I

932
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: now I could teach Is that right? Okay? Yeah? In

933
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: third grade? Who was your best friend? There were a

934
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: couple of guys, uh Peter and uh Dannio who who

935
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: I just looked forward to seeing those guys. We had

936
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,280
Speaker 1: a we had a good old It was summer school,

937
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: so it was the people who should have been in

938
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: summer school, myself included and uh, and we had a

939
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: good old time. Was your best friend? Now? Um, I've

940
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: got several. Uh there's a wonderful woman named Judy, um

941
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: who's from Orange County and who used to date my

942
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: other best friend, Damien, and uh who's from South Florida.

943
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: And then a very good friend Rod, who I met

944
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: the first day of college. And if he's listening, he's

945
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: a horrible basketball player who I've dominated consistently and I'm

946
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: not I still love his mom and dad and says

947
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: nothing against you, Mr Mrs Taylor, but your son is

948
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: not good. And uh. And then Otto, who's been my

949
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: best friend since we were seven. So I have a

950
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: very interesting Otto I met in elementary school, second grade,

951
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: Rod I met the first day of college, and Judy

952
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: and Damien I met in uh in grad school and uh,

953
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: and so from different parts of my life, I've got

954
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: what about you? Who's your who's your best friend? Oh?

955
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: Her name is Kendrew. You mentioned her just a moment ago, Like,

956
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: can you mention a kindred that works with you? I

957
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: have best friend named Indra, and she is she's the

958
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: friend that likes when I take my hair off. And

959
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,479
Speaker 1: she's like, that reminds me of college. Like she doesn't

960
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: like this Carrie. She's like, who's this Carrie? It's too much.

961
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: She was like YouTube glamorous, where's Carrie in college? With

962
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: the ponytail? Just right here? I was like, I don't

963
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: know who she is. I'm an elegant I'm an elegant

964
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: journalist now and she's gone, why are you making that face?

965
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,919
Speaker 1: Just just just because something tells me that I would

966
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: enjoy kidro. Where's Kindred now? She lives right up the road.

967
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: I'm having a little birthday gathering for her in my

968
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: house on Sunday. And she's rude. You would enjoy her.

969
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: She's rude. Everything that comes to her mind, she'll be

970
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: like she is she just rude or she rude and funny. Oh,

971
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: she's hilarious. By rude, I mean funny like it is.

972
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: I laugh so hard, Like, okay, I know you gotta go,

973
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: but I'll tell you this note. Did you watch did

974
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: you watch Versus? Yes? Yes? Yes, yes, no no not

975
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: the most reason one? Okay, So well, are you familiar

976
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: with SWV and Escape? Of course? Yes? Right, so they

977
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: have this battle. I'm sure you're fire. They have this

978
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: battle Saturday. I it took took me all the way

979
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: back to high school and college. But what really warmed

980
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: my cold soul was when they started dancing. And the

981
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: dancing was real, like just one two, just real cute.

982
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: Because I can't dance when I could share dance, my

983
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: butt off, right, So I'm just sharing dancing Kindra and Kendra.

984
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: This is why she's my best friend. We at this

985
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: age continued to rewind the last dance moves and learned

986
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: it for that night, and we were like doing the

987
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: choreography in the living room. That did you tweet that

988
00:59:54,000 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: out and let the world enjoy and see, oh no, no, oh,

989
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: I don't mind. I just have absolutely no rhythm and

990
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: I don't need everybody to know that for a fact.

991
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: I mean it's out there and that's my best friend.

992
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: We're going to say, no, I love it. I love it,

993
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: best friend like that. Now, did she travel with you?

994
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: Is your travel buddy? You know, well when we go

995
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: on vacations, yes, but she doesn't travel a lot her. Um,

996
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: you know, I'll end it here. So it's kind of

997
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: so sad. Her dad got really sick during COVID, so

998
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: she's not as primary caregiver her and her mother. So

999
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: it's it's that, you know, the last year has been hard,

1000
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: so these little moments where you can choreogra, you can

1001
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: make a dance routine in the living room at a

1002
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: two years old is great. Like it was just it

1003
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: was just lovely. We just had we had nothing to

1004
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: do but dance on a Saturday night, like with no cares,

1005
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: and it was so much joy um and I try

1006
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: to really appreciate those moments, um, and I I need

1007
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: to know this. When you're in l A, I'm going

1008
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 1: to take you to bed Mexican food. It depresses me

1009
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: that you you said Detroit, it was. Here's something I

1010
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: want to point out. One is serious. I'm gonna point

1011
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: out one thing that's serious, like wrapping up this conversation,

1012
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: and another thing that is hilarious, because that's just me.

1013
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: I'll start with the serious first. UM, I appreciate his honesty.

1014
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: No one knows what they would do in a situation

1015
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: that is so horrifying, shocking, unheard of, never seen. Who

1016
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: knows right, You've never certain things you you just aren't

1017
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: prepared for, and you don't know how you will react.

1018
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: You'd like to think you would do the right thing,

1019
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: and but you don't know until you're in that moment

1020
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: that is deep. What would you have done if you

1021
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: would have been there while George Floyd was being murdered?

1022
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: I mean full well, not knowing he was being murdered

1023
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: right away, but perhaps five minutes in you knew he

1024
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 1: was murdered or being murdered. Rather, I don't know. That's

1025
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: why I say, a young lady who held the camera,

1026
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: who felt like she should have done more. Who's going

1027
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: to need therapy because you're talking about a level of

1028
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 1: trauma that I don't even know if I could even

1029
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: empathize with In terms of experiencing that, I couldn't even Yes,

1030
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 1: I empathize, I couldn't even understand it. But anyway, that's

1031
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: a great I mean nowadays, though, now I think this

1032
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: is me here, I go back talking crazy, and now

1033
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: I think we we already. You know, I don't care

1034
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: what color you are. We're not going to let someone

1035
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: get murdered, not even other police officers. I would hope, God,

1036
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 1: am I am? I'm going down a rabbit hole. I stopped?

1037
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: Let me stop. Great question, great thought. That's why I

1038
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,959
Speaker 1: love uh talking to him because he's so thoughtful makes

1039
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: me think. Um, what I did notice too as I

1040
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:54,959
Speaker 1: listen to this podcast, when you talk to people who

1041
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: are really intelligent, do you do you get uncomfortable? Think?

1042
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: Any way? Did I use the right words? Is my

1043
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: grammar correct? Subject, predicate? Move? How am I doing it?

1044
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: Or is that just me? Um? I noticed that I was.

1045
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: I have a lot of cliche sayings and I used

1046
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: them wrong. I'm that uncle or that Auntie. That will

1047
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 1: be like put one saying with the other saying, um,

1048
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: what the key is? Do the twitter? You know, like

1049
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: the Twitter? It's Twitter? I know that, But I say

1050
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: the Twitter. I said push the needle forward, It really

1051
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: means like move the needle, not forward? Where what? What?

1052
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: Sometimes I just be like, who who? Who are you? Carrie?

1053
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 1: I thought you were cool and happening hot chicken on

1054
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 1: the streets, you know, cutie pie, I tell trouble all

1055
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: the time. I'm cute and I listen to Triples, my producer.

1056
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: I listen to me and I'm like, who is this

1057
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: Auntie talking? Far from Auntie? Actually? Who is this grandma talking? Uh?

1058
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 1: What do they call that? That band? You know how

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Speaker 1: your parents feel, like, what's the name of that band?

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Speaker 1: I'm like, mom, is Drake. It's not a band, it's

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Speaker 1: a guy. Okay, but this band is good. I like

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Speaker 1: that song that the band is just a rapper. His

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Speaker 1: name is Treke Artists. You know, when did I turn

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Speaker 1: into that person where you need a mama later to

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Speaker 1: the code what I have to say when I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to put these trying to be cool and hip and

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Speaker 1: I'm only aware of it right now? In this moment

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Speaker 1: because I'm listening to it with you and I'm aware

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Speaker 1: of how Carlos is and I'm like, oh wait, he's

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Speaker 1: so smart, and I'm talking about what's the name of

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Speaker 1: the band and it's really just a single rapper named Drake.

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Speaker 1: What huh hm? That being said, I told you he

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Speaker 1: makes you think his naked quality, what is his naked quality?

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Speaker 1: What would you say it is? I would say visionary.

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Speaker 1: He is a visionary for someone to create a vibrant

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Speaker 1: young media company, as he describes it, and then he

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Speaker 1: turns it into AUSI Fest. I mean this is it's

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Speaker 1: a monumental production that people have invested in who believe

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Speaker 1: in his vision and his dream and understand what he's

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Speaker 1: trying to do. Wowowwow wow Wow. Having someone believe in

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Speaker 1: you is is one thing, But then have them invest

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Speaker 1: in that vision, in that dream so powerful. It's a

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Speaker 1: rewarding feeling. But then when you actually make it materialize

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Speaker 1: and become something perhaps greater than you even imagined, or

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Speaker 1: on on its way to being just as great as

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Speaker 1: you imagined, that's another reward in itself, self fulfilling. Carlos Watson,

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, entrepreneur, journalists, and television host. I say

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Speaker 1: he got He didn't get any e k k I

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Speaker 1: D naked, but he got like nick like nick like

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Speaker 1: any kk right, No, all right, thank you all for listening.

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Speaker 1: We're back next week on Naked