1 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: So I'm digging in my garden and this homeless person 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: just gets down in the garden beside me and starts digging, and. 3 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 2: Are you serious? Yeah, he picked the right person to 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 2: do it next to you. I mean, you get him. 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 2: He's probably high as hell, isn't he? 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: Yeah? He was. And I'm like, you are my people? 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 2: This high homeless dude starts digging next to you. 8 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 9 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 2: Yeah. 10 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: I'm like, come inside, let's go get something to eat. 11 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: He's like, but I'm filthy. I'm like, I don't care. 12 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: I'm dirty too. Go wash up and I'll make you 13 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: something to eat. 14 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: Welcome to an army of normal folks. I'm Bill Courtney. 15 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 2: I'm a normal guy. I'm a husband, I'm a father, 16 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 2: I'm an entrepreneur, and I've been a football coach in 17 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: inner city Memphis. And the last part, somehow it led 18 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 2: to an oscar for the film about our football team. 19 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: That movie called Undefeated. Guys, I believe our country's problems 20 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 2: will never be solved by a bunch of fancy people 21 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 2: in nice suits talking big words that nobody ever uses 22 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 2: on CNN and Fox, but rather by an army of 23 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: normal folks us, just you and me, deciding, Hey, I 24 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 2: can help. That's what Carly Rice, the voice we just heard, 25 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 2: has done. Why said that Carly gets the homeless, gentleman, 26 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 2: is that she was once homeless herself on the infamous 27 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 2: skid row, and that's only the beginning of her trauma, 28 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 2: which has fueled her radical empathy for the least among us. 29 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 2: Miss Carly started by feeding the homeless in her own home, 30 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: has since fed thousands, and, most importantly, their volunteers walk 31 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 2: alongside the homeless and their journeys of recovery and empowerment, 32 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 2: helping two hundred people achieve full recoveries and life transformations. 33 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: I cannot wait for you to meet Carly right after 34 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 2: these brief messages from our general sponsors, Carly Rice, good morning, 35 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 2: Good morning. It is so good to see you. Hear 36 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 2: you got in late from Chicago last night. 37 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: Yes, there's a little bit of turbulence, so they had 38 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: taken an alternate route. But we got. 39 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: Here, we got here. Well, I am so happy to 40 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 2: welcome you to Memphis, and I'm so appreciative you're joining us. 41 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: You're from Rockford, Illinois. 42 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: I'm from California, but I came here from Rockford. 43 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, well you're from California, but you now live in Rockford, Illinois, 44 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 2: and you do some really cool stuff there. So before 45 00:02:54,880 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: we get to Miss Carly's and what you do important 46 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 2: and some of this is going to be maybe a 47 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 2: little rough for people to hear your life pre Miss 48 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: Carly's and pre Rockford, but definitely without understanding, without understanding 49 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 2: all of that, I do not think that the impact 50 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 2: of Miss Carly's and why you do what you do 51 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: and why you do it with the fervor and heart 52 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: you do it with is so personal. It matters to 53 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,519 Speaker 2: you so much, so your history has to be told. 54 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: So tell me where you grew up and how you 55 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 2: grew up. 56 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: I appreciate you saying that, because it is important. If 57 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: we can't understand why people do the things they do, 58 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: then we can't help them. And trauma and our histories 59 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: I believe are key to understanding that I grew up 60 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: in San Diego, California. 61 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 2: By the way, hold, I'm trying so hard not to 62 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: interrupt my guests, but there are some of these I 63 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: wish people were watching as well as they're seeing. Y'all, 64 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: I am looking. When you hear the story, you're about 65 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 2: to hear what I want you to keep in your 66 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: mind's eyes. I am looking at this bright, big smile, 67 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 2: long black jet black hair in I guess those are 68 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 2: weaved pigtails. What do we call those things? Braided? But 69 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 2: they're pigtails, right, yeah, braided pigtails down to her waist 70 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: with this cool black brimmed hat on and these really 71 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: groovy black glasses with a black T shirt on that 72 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 2: says fight addiction, not the one addicted, and she's got 73 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 2: both her arms are tatted up that. I am sure 74 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 2: every one of those tattoos has a story behind them. 75 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 2: Definitely someone who is generally embracing life with a with 76 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: a with a genuine kindness and kind of light to you. 77 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 2: And that's interesting. So now with people with that mind's eye, 78 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 2: tell us where he came from. 79 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: I came from San Diego, and it's a very affluent 80 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: area where I was from. But my city, I mean, 81 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: my family was kind of like you know when you 82 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: have a neighborhood and there's like that family that the 83 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: police are always at their house and they have too 84 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: much junk on their property and stuff. That was my family. 85 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: We were the I guess you could say trashy family. 86 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: I know, I'm going to need a Kleenex because I'm 87 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: already getting tears in my eyes. 88 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 2: We will get you out a looks. The producer is 89 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: good at two things, making my life miserable and getting 90 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 2: Kleenex for guests. So there you go. Okay, hanky, okay. 91 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: I grew up in San Diego, and I actually grew 92 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: up in a very affluent area, but my family was troubled, 93 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: deeply troubled. There was a lot of mental illness and 94 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: drug addiction in my family, and we were ironically also 95 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: a close family. So we had like three buildings on 96 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: one property, and my grandfather was just my great grandfather 97 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 1: was just an amazing man, and he just kept building 98 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: houses on this property and it was overlooking the ocean 99 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 1: and a lagoon, and it was a beautiful place to 100 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: grow up. But beautiful things didn't happen in those buildings, 101 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: and I suffered through as a child a lot of 102 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: neglect and abuse, molestation, all of the bad things that 103 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: can happen to a kid happened. And I turned to 104 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 1: drugs at a very young age. I'm not sure when 105 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: I started using drugs, but I do know that by 106 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: thirteen I was a full blown drug addict doing the 107 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: hard stuff. 108 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 2: What is hard stuff? 109 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: I started on meth was my first hard drug at thirteen, 110 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: well before thirteen, so somewhere between eleven and thirteen, I 111 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: would guess. Things got real heavy. 112 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 2: When I was eight eight, where was a parent. 113 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: Sick, very sick. My mother was very mentally ill. My 114 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: grandmother was mentally ill. I won't get into the specifics, 115 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: but there was a lot of molestation happening, and the 116 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: drugs made it bearable for me to get through that. 117 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 2: It's like a family members by. 118 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: Family members by other people, and family members were involved. 119 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: It was a really, really sick situation. 120 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 2: Do you have siblings. 121 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: I did, but I wasn't with any of them. I 122 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: was adopted by my grandmother, who was just a sick woman, 123 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: and I lived alone with her, and we lived outside 124 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: of San Diego, like on the top of this hill 125 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: up a dirt road, and it was one of the 126 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: people that harming me was my only neighbor. Well, I 127 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: had another neighbor, but they were never home, so it 128 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: was like my neighbor was taken advantage of me. My 129 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: grandmother's boyfriend was taken advantage of me, and my grandmother 130 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: knew about this. And was party to it on top 131 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: of that, so there was no safe people for me. 132 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: And you you're talking at six and seven and eight 133 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 2: years old. 134 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: This is eight nine years old, and it did happen 135 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: before that. I just don't know when it started. And 136 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: I didn't have a safe place to go because my 137 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: grandma would always keep me home from school and say 138 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: that I was sick, and I was actually sick. My 139 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: anxiety and my stress came out in physical symptoms. I 140 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 1: had ulcers as an eight year old child, and I 141 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: remember just laying in bed in agony with these ulcers 142 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: and my esophagus, and it later I found out was 143 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: a result of just being under so much duress, you know. 144 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: So and then my neighbor was forty something year old 145 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: man just pumping me full of methamphetamine so he can 146 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: do what he wanted with me, and the drugs gave 147 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: me the escape. I learned early on that if I 148 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: put the substance in my body, I could get through 149 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: whatever was in front of me. And it worked. It 150 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: worked until it didn't work. 151 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 2: That is traumatic. And I've interviewed a lot of people 152 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 2: and I've heard a lot of trauma stories, but the 153 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 2: abuse of a child is just the worst. 154 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: The worst part is when authorities don't believe you, because 155 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: there were times that I called the police and my 156 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: grandma would just say, Oh, she's lying, she's on drugs, 157 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: she's lying. What those police officers, you know, at this time, 158 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: maybe I'm thirteen years old, and these police officers that 159 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: come to this house see a thirteen year old girl 160 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: that's on drugs saying that she's being harmed. I just 161 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: wonder till to this day. Sometimes I did those police 162 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: officers walk away from that house? Clearly something was going on. 163 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't somebody being called. 164 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, we were out in the country, you know. But 165 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: I did call the police and they just dismissed the 166 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: whole situation. So it's important, I think, for people to 167 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: just be aware and when those cries for help are made, 168 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: to look into things. 169 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 2: You know, I've heard these stories before, and they typically 170 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 2: lead to the minute you have the ability, you get 171 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 2: out because you have no other choice. Is that what 172 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 2: you did? 173 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, to some extent. Shortly after the time that I 174 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: called the police, it was I'll never forget that night 175 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: I finally called the police. My grandma's boyfriend was threatening 176 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: me with a big knife, and he wanted to do 177 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: things to me that hurt really bad, and I didn't 178 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: want to do them, and I got really fed up 179 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: and I called the police. And a few days after 180 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: that situation, my dad came to pick me up, whom 181 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 1: I was at range from all my life. I didn't 182 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: know he was my dad. I grew up with my 183 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: sister's dad, and here comes my dad and his little 184 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: Ford Festiva, and he's high on drugs and he's like 185 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: knocking on the door and he's like, hey, are you packed? 186 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: And I was like, what are you talking about? And 187 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: I had met him prior to this, but we had 188 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: no real relationship, you know. And he's like, you're coming 189 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: to move with me, aren't you excited? And I was 190 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: like news to me. So I had, you know, like 191 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: minutes to pack up my whole life. I was thirteen 192 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: years old. I'm pounding on my grandma's bedroom door. She 193 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: won't answer the door. She's in there, but she won't 194 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: answer the door. So I just grab whatever I can 195 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: and I go to live with my dad. My dad 196 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: was in his addiction at the time, and my other grandma, 197 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: whom I call my good grandma, she did her best 198 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: to support my dad and newly being a father of 199 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 1: a thirteen year old child, and she helps him with 200 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: rant and we got a place together. And I was 201 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: going to an alternative school because I was really smart, 202 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 1: but I didn't have great school transfer records because. 203 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 2: I can't imagine why, Yeah, because. 204 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: I didn't go often. So I was like president of 205 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: the student government at Mark Twain Junior Senior High School, 206 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: which is a continuation school. And I loved school so much. 207 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: But then my dad started hanging out with a lot 208 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: of my classmates and allowing them to come over and 209 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: do drugs at our house. And one day and I 210 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: was actually I was flown to Kansas City, Missouri to 211 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: be part of the Center for the National Society for 212 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 1: Experiential Education with my principal and one of my teachers 213 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: because I was just so active in school and I 214 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: was helping write grants and whatnot. 215 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 2: Did your principals and all know the background of what 216 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 2: you dealt with where you came. 217 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: From, I believe so to some extent, I don't think 218 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: they knew that it was again, though they knew my past, 219 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: but they didn't know much bad with my dad because 220 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 1: one day I just stopped showing up to school. I 221 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: had missed some days of school because my dad he 222 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: wasn't coming up with the rent. My grandma would give 223 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: him rent money and then he would buy drugs with that. 224 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: So I got two jobs. I told I started working 225 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: at Save on Drugs and another drug store, and I 226 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: told both of them that it was that I was 227 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: working only at them. So I had two part time 228 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: jobs to make one full time job. And I just 229 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: stopped going to school because I had to pay the rent. 230 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 1: And I'll never forget my school librarian, and I believe 231 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: it was my principal showed up at the house to 232 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: look for me, but I was at work or god 233 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: knows where, and they saw my dad and all these 234 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: kids in my house high on drugs and stuff, you know, 235 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 1: And I was so mortified that I never went back 236 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: to school because now they saw about my home life. 237 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 2: Was like, were you using drugs at that time yourself? 238 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 2: It was still using. 239 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: With my dad, well, right alongside my dad. Like he 240 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: would leave me a line, you know, and we didn't 241 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: talk about it, but he would leave it on the 242 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: mirror for me. And then when I knew he was out, 243 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: I would leave him one we didn't use Oh that's. 244 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: A lovely father daught a relationship. Listen, you go out 245 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 2: and do what you gotta do. When you get back, 246 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 2: I'm I have a line set up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 247 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 2: you know, some families might leave dinner on the table. 248 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 2: You guys were leaving lines for one another. Yeah, and 249 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 2: you were howled. 250 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: I was still thirteen, fourteen, maybe fifteen. This is a whole, 251 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: like three year period thereabouts. I knew I moved in 252 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: with him when I was thirteen, and I think we 253 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: kind of held it together for about two years of 254 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: not you're going to get evicted, You're not going to 255 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: get evicted, You're going to get evicted. We just kept 256 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: towing that line. And we lived right on the beach though. 257 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: That was one consolation. We found a rent control apartment 258 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: right on the beach, so I was kind of into 259 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: the idea of staying because it was just such a 260 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: beautiful location. And I had made some friends, well friends, yeah, 261 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: and I didn't find much trouble in leaving them. Ultimately, 262 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: I never missed them a day of my life. But 263 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: I eventually got fed up with my dad because he 264 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: wasn't paying the rent, and I moved into this apartment. 265 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: I can't remember. I think it was like two hundred 266 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: dollars a month or one hundred and fifty dollars a month. 267 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: But it wasn't an apartment. It was a room about 268 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: the size of this, maybe a little bit smaller. And 269 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: this Middle Eastern guy and he was actually Persian, I'll 270 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: never forget. And he told me that I could have 271 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: it for I think one hundred and fifty or two 272 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: hundred dollars a month. I just had to have sex 273 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: with them every once in a while. That was it, 274 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, yay, sounds good. Sign me up. 275 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 2: And now a few messages from our general sponsors. But first, 276 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:13,239 Speaker 2: I'm excited to announce that we're hosting a live interview 277 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 2: in Memphis on Saturday, July twentieth, and all of you 278 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 2: folks listening that are close join us. It's with Russell Butler, 279 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 2: best known as the Dancing ups Man. Russell once was 280 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 2: close to committing suicide and he'll share his powerful redemption 281 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 2: story which led to this dance ministry that accidentally went viral. 282 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 2: And when I say viral, this guy's got one point 283 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 2: five million followers on TikTok and a million on Instagram. 284 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 2: I'm telling you you'll love hearing his story and you'll 285 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 2: love meeting them, and I'd love to meet you too. 286 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 2: You can learn more and RSVP at Dancing ups Man 287 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 2: dot event bright dot com. Once again, Dancing ups Man 288 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 2: at eventbright dot com. Come on down Saturday, July twentieth. 289 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 2: Listen to the interview. See how it's done, See how 290 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 2: we go back and forth, meet me and meet our guest. 291 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 2: It'd be a good time. We'll be right back. 292 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: So I had my own apartment at sixteen years old. 293 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 1: Didn't have a bathroom, but there was a bathroom down 294 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: the hall, and I remember I was so messed up 295 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: on drugs. I wrote poetry in a circle, starting at 296 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 1: the light of the in the middle of the room, 297 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: and it spiraled down all the way around the walls 298 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: and it met at the floor, just like That's how 299 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: my mind was really cluttered and confused day. 300 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 2: So at sixteen, your rent payment is one hundred and 301 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 2: fifty dollars a month plus occasional sext or version guide Yep, Okay, 302 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 2: that's horrible. 303 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: Yes, there's a lot of people that take advantage out 304 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: there in the world, an awful lot. It gets worse 305 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: I have this drug habit. 306 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 2: You know, am in the drug habit is math at 307 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 2: this point. 308 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: It's still meth at this time. Okay, it's methan. Anything 309 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: that I can really get my hands on. I just 310 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 1: didn't want to feel. 311 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question, Yes, at sixteen, you're 312 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 2: not an adult. I'm not saying anybody's an adult a sixteen, 313 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 2: but at sixteen you're not an adolescent. You're kind of 314 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 2: in that middle ground. I remember being at sixteen, and 315 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 2: while half of the stuff I thought was probably the 316 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 2: most ridiculous, stupid, immature, unexperienced things that you think at sixteen, 317 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 2: but at sixteen you are able to form reasonably cognitive ideas. 318 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 2: When you were sober, what was going on in your mind? 319 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: It was never sober. 320 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 2: Never you woke up and did drugs every day. 321 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 1: There was never. 322 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 2: Method just for breakfast anymore kind of thing. 323 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, there was no sober time. There was no 324 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,959 Speaker 1: sober time. The old shim. I was ever sober as 325 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: if I was in jail, and I hadn't started going 326 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: to jail at this point yet. I didn't luckily start 327 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: going to jail until after I was eighteen. I was 328 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: never sober. 329 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 2: So you never were able to take a realistic and 330 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: reasonably cognitive look at your stake in life. At this point, 331 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 2: you literally numbed yourself every waking moment to just get 332 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 2: through the day. So sex with the Persian guy, for 333 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 2: rent was just part of the process. 334 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: And the beginning, and that's what led me to what 335 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: came next, which was prostitution. I got sick of having 336 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: just all of the headaches that went along with trying 337 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,479 Speaker 1: to get enough drugs. I'm breaking my back, you know, 338 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: working these two jobs, and then I get my paycheck 339 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: and it's all gone, like right away, and I was like, 340 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: there's got to be a better way here. This guy 341 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: approached me when I was on the boardwalk in San 342 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: Diego and he said I I can help you make 343 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: a lot of money. And I was like, okay, sounds good. 344 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: What do I do? I mean, you want to talk 345 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: about naive? And he said, all you have to do 346 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: is bring me homeless people down to this billiards hall 347 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: in Tijuana and we'll get them all cleaned up and 348 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: we'll pay them too. And you make lots of money, 349 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: You make lots of money. So I did it. I 350 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: started working with this guy and these people are long gone, 351 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure. So I I would take these homeless people 352 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: down on the train and I would take them to 353 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: this billiards hall and I'd meet this guy named TJ. 354 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: I believe in Tijuana, yeah, sixteen years old, and I 355 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 1: would essentially sell these homeless people to this guy name 356 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: I say, his name was TJ. There's two guys, TJ 357 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 1: and another guy. And they would give me three hundred 358 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: dollars ahead. And what they would do is there were 359 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: a couple times where I stayed along for the process. 360 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: What they do, what they would clean the homeless people up. 361 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 1: They would take them to this hotel and they would 362 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: shave them and clean them up. And they would go 363 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: to this store called Dorian's and they would get them 364 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: like suits or clothes, and they would dress them up 365 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: and they would put them in cars way down with 366 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 1: drugs and get them to the border. And I stayed 367 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: along for the whole process a couple times, like I said, 368 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: And one of the times they asked me to do 369 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: it because they said women got through easier. So they 370 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 1: put two kilos of drugs on the front of me 371 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: and three kilos of rug drugs on the back of me, 372 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: and a big Tommy Hill figure coat and a mini 373 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 1: skirt and high heels. And I just walked right through 374 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: the border with these five kilos. I guess it was 375 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: probably cocaine or something. I doubt it was pot because 376 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: I didn't smell anything. But and then we went to 377 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: this house in chew l the Vista and we dumped 378 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: all the stuff up. They had a pile about the 379 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 1: size of this room of packages. So they were just 380 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: people were coming through the border all day long. 381 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 2: These are not these are high level cartel people that 382 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 2: you're screwing around with at sixteen years old. 383 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: That's so then they started saying to me, you know, 384 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: the women get through easier, Their women get through easier. 385 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: You're just start bringing us more women. Because I had bring. 386 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 2: Up how much money did they pay you to be 387 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 2: a mule? 388 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: Three hundred dollars a person, not. 389 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 2: For the people three in there, but what about when 390 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 2: you cross the border. 391 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: So I got a thousand dollars plus I got as 392 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 1: much drugs as I wanted. Basically, they would give me 393 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,959 Speaker 1: zi pluck gallons of drugs, meth, pot, and I was 394 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: on top of the world. I thought, I've just figured out, 395 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: you know, supplying to me. Now I have the supply 396 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,959 Speaker 1: and I could sell this and I never have to 397 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: worry about being able to afford my drugs again, because 398 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: the drugs made the feelings go away. The drugs made 399 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: the memories of getting you know, heart hurt really bad 400 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: go away. So I found it endless to me. It 401 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: was like medicine. I found an endless supply of medicine. 402 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: So so so I'm bringing these women down there and 403 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: they have this like gated community. It's kind of near 404 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: the beach, and they literally had like armed guards walking 405 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 1: around like on a on a wall, and the guards 406 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: would walk like on the top of the wall, and 407 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: there was a little lake. 408 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 2: None of this ever freaked you out and scared the 409 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 2: hell out of you. 410 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: I was so high all the time. No it didn't. 411 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: It was cool. 412 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 2: Hey, there's a there's a massive room full of drugs 413 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 2: and armed guys and trapping for you. 414 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: Drugs was a screen vista. And now I'm in Tijuana 415 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 1: at this like it's basically like a housing complex that 416 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 1: I think was built to be like a resort town, 417 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: and it somehow went and defunct, and they had like 418 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: the arm guards walking around on the wall, and I 419 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 1: had a little store I remember outside that had like 420 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: just really random items, like some laundry, detergent, like convenience 421 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: store stuff, but like just like one of everything or 422 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 1: two of everything. It was so strange. And then inside 423 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: they had people living in these houses just high out 424 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: of their mind on drugs. There was no running water, 425 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: the toilets were full of poop and bee and there's 426 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: these people like from America, white people like me, runaways 427 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 1: and homeless people, and they were just like it was 428 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: like a holding place until they needed to use them 429 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: for something, right, Yeah, And but some of them had 430 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: been there for months without any movement, so I don't 431 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: know what exactly they were up to the but they 432 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: were asking me at that time, bring more women, bring 433 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: more women, women, get through faster. And I wasn't seeing 434 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: the women come back to the American side. And I 435 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: was like, after seeing those armed guards and after seeing 436 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: that the women weren't coming back out the other side, 437 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: I was like, wait a minute, I don't want to 438 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: be one of those women that doesn't come back out 439 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: the other side. So I tried to get away from them, 440 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: and I did effectively so and I ended up packed 441 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: with the Persian guy. So I'm now in downtown San 442 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: Diego and I'm living in this makeshift apartment which is 443 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: owned by this Persian guy who owns a bunch of 444 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: liquor stores. And he's got this big building in downtown 445 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: San Diego. And inside the big building were all these 446 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 1: like they were meant to be offices, I'm sure, just 447 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: like this, like how you have a big building and 448 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 1: then you have smaller rooms inside the building, except there 449 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 1: was no tops to the rooms, and we were all 450 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 1: living in these like basically what are cubicles. And this 451 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: Persian guy was charging us three hundred and fifty dollars 452 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: a month. Same deal if you have sex with me 453 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: once in a while and I'll give it to you, 454 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: you know, for one hundred dollars a month or whatever 455 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: he charged me. I don't think he ever charged me anything, actually, 456 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: And he had a barbecue place right next door too, 457 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: and sometimes I would work at the barbecue place for him, 458 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: but mostly he just wanted to have sex with me, 459 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: and he would pick me up and he would take 460 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: me to his mansion. And he had like this whole 461 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: wall of TVs and had all these like Middle Eastern 462 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 1: channels on them and stuff. I don't think he was. 463 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: I just think he was like a rich dude. I 464 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: don't think he was involved. And like people asked me, 465 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: do you think he was a terrorist? I just wasn't 466 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: like that at all. 467 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 2: He was. 468 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: He was really actually kind of a nice guy. But 469 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: he was definitely subjugating a lot of people, which is 470 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: not okay, and keeping them in abhorrant living conditions in 471 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: their disease. You know. So I'm living with this guy 472 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: and I'm having my dope dealer come the Persian guy. 473 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: I would go to the liquor store and I'd say 474 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: I need some money, you know, like give me some money, 475 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: and you know, I had for our next date, because 476 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 1: he would give me money every time we dated, like 477 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: fifty sixty dollars every time he had sex with me. 478 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: And I would go to the liquor store and beg 479 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: him for money, and he would want me out of there, 480 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: so his wife didn't see me, our family didn't see me. 481 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: So he'd always give me money. Right, So I would 482 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: call my drug dealer, but not always. Sometimes the security 483 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 1: guys wouldn't even let me in the store to ask 484 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: him for the money. So I didn't always have my money, 485 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 1: and the drug dealer came and he said, you know what, 486 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 1: you never have your money, You can't afford your drugs. 487 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: Why don't you get off drugs? My drug dealer is 488 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: telling me this, and he says, he barely speaks any English, 489 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: but he's got this like guy translating for him. He said, 490 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 1: you come to my house. I give you less drugs 491 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: every day, you know, be sick. And I said, okay, 492 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: sounds good. Let's go, because I mean, it's better than 493 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: this disgusting situation I'm in with the Persian guy. And 494 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: the apartments, the cubicles we lived in were just filthy, filthy, 495 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: and I want it out there so bad because it 496 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: was just so dirty, you know, and it was sad 497 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: because and this is kind of key to where to 498 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: where my story is going to go later. Those other 499 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: people in those cubicles, a lot of them are very sick, 500 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: people like sick with cancer or COPD or very treatable, 501 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: and they just were not getting medical attention. They were 502 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: just in this little cubicle living off their social security, 503 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: given this Persian guy three hundred and fifty dollars a 504 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: month rent, and just doing drugs all day. And they 505 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: were like dying in their own filth. And it was 506 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: so so sad to see the way that this man 507 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: let these people live and profited off of them, knowing 508 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: that they needed and deserved better than that situation. And 509 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: it never the smell of that place and the sight 510 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: of that place never left me. 511 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 2: We'll be right back. 512 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: So this drug dealer took me home, and I'm like, great, yay, 513 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: And instead of giving me less drugs every day, he 514 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: gave me more drugs every day. And now I'm basically 515 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: like a sex slave for guess what a cartel member. 516 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: He is part of the same group of people who 517 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: I initially had worked for. I think they were. They 518 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: found me again, you know, through my own stupidity. So 519 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: now I'm living on the third floor of this four 520 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: story apartment complex and I tried many times to get out, 521 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,239 Speaker 1: and he just beat the crap out of me. I 522 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: had in the beginning of my time with him. You know, 523 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: I was very resistant. I wanted out. I didn't want 524 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: to be hurt anymore. I didn't want to be raped anymore. 525 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: But I learned very early on that I was not 526 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: getting out and that the best thing for me to 527 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: do was to please this man. So that I would 528 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: have opportunity, need to get out so they could earn 529 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: his trust. 530 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 2: Who basically get out? I was do you think that's 531 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 2: what happened to the girls that were going to Tijuana 532 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 2: never came back, so they were effectively becoming Tijuana sex 533 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 2: life for the cartel. 534 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: And that's on my conscience because I did take a 535 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: couple down there, only a couple, but I always think 536 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: about that, like what happened to those girls? You know, 537 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,479 Speaker 1: I have no idea to this day, and we'll get 538 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: into more of that later. I decided that the only 539 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: way out is to convince them I could be like 540 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: the best wife ever because. 541 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 2: I pressed wife life. Yeah, so now howdy at this point. 542 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: Eighteen I think seventeen eighteen, approbably eighteen. So I'm in 543 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: this building and what is what's notable that I like 544 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: to tell people that most people would not assume is 545 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: it wasn't actually the men who kept me in that building. 546 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: So the men had all the third floor apartments and 547 00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: I don't really know what's on the second floor. The 548 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: floor were stolen goods. They had lots of boosters they 549 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: would send out to steal things. They were very into 550 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: boosting and drug dealing. They washed cars, they like, sent 551 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: cars to Tijuana and they came back clean. So I'm 552 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: on the third floor. The women and children were on 553 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: the first floor. They were the ones that kept me 554 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: in that building because if I tried to get out 555 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: of that building, they would physically drag me back into 556 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: the building, kicking and screaming because their kids were at stake. 557 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 2: So people will say, so the cartel would say, you 558 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 2: let her out, I'm gonna beat your kids. 559 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: It was the old cartels, wives and children and mistresses 560 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,959 Speaker 1: and whatnot, and they didn't have a choice. They were 561 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: scared for themselves and their children. That's why today when 562 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: people say, why doesn't she just run? If she can 563 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: come to your house and get condoms, and why doesn't 564 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: she just run, You have no idea why she doesn't 565 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: just run. There could be a lot of reasons tried 566 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: to run, but those women weren't gonna let me out 567 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: because they would have killed their children. They absolutely would 568 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: have done it too. I would not put it past them. 569 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: So I'm in this apartment and there's no phones, there's 570 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: no computers. This is like nineteen ninety seven, nineteen ninety eight. 571 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: There's no phones of computers. I mean in the apartment 572 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: that I'm in. The only way to get out is 573 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: to behave, is to earn his trust. Right I had 574 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: already tried to scream when we were out on an 575 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: outing and it didn't work, So I knew the only 576 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: way was to earn his trust and get him to 577 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: love me. So now I'm like trying to to seduce 578 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: this guy and just be the best little wife he ever. 579 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: And I'm telling them things to get at the store, 580 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: and I'm cooking them food, and he's teaching me how 581 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: to cook Mexican food. Mind you, I didn't speak any 582 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: Spanish and he didn't speak any English, so I had 583 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: to learn how to speak Spanish just to get the 584 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: things I needed. You know, he was very, very like 585 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: he in the Latin culture, they really frowned upon drug addiction, 586 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: and he was addicted to coke. But he didn't want 587 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: any of his people to know that he did. And 588 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: I knew that he was, and he took it out 589 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: on me. The fact that I knew that he was 590 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: addicted to drugs was the most shameful thing in the 591 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: world to him, and he would when he would not 592 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: do them, he would just beat me to pull. His 593 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: favorite thing to do is to beat me with his shoes. 594 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 1: So I just I just kept working to earn his 595 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: trust and be a good little wifey. And he used 596 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: to take me to a video. 597 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 2: What is it like to act like to cook dinner 598 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 2: for and seduce a man as if you're a good 599 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 2: wife and love him, when in your heart or heart, 600 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 2: you wish the guy would burn in hell? It's tough. 601 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: It's definitely tough. I had the drugs to help. He 602 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: gave me unlimited amounts of black tire heroine. So as 603 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: long as he gave me an enough drugs, I could 604 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: do it. You know, could I do that sober? I mean, 605 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure it could, but it would be awful. It 606 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: would be awful. 607 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 2: So you were on heroin at this point. 608 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 1: Oh, I've got to tell you. 609 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, graduated from. 610 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: Yeah about the time that I started sleeping with the 611 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: Persian guy at the store. That's when the heroine you started. 612 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 2: You're wreck at eighteen, A wreck, a wreck, a wreck. Okay, 613 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 2: So I assume you eventually earned the Scotstrust song. 614 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: I did, and he would take me to the video store. 615 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: This is how long ago it was, and eventually, you know, 616 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: kept going to the video store and I was like, okay, 617 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: this is my time. We always go at night, like 618 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: nineteen eleven at night, and believe it or not, it 619 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 1: was pretty busy at that time, so I waited until 620 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: it was like the busiest I thought it was ever 621 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: going to be. And I and I said, I went 622 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: up to the guy at the desk and I was like, 623 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: call the police, help me. I'm being held captive, you know, 624 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 1: And he was just like, I'm not doing and then 625 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. 626 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:02,280 Speaker 2: And are you kidding? 627 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. 628 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 629 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: He thought I was kidding or guess or something. But 630 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,800 Speaker 1: by that time Cessa heard me. His name was Cessa, 631 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 1: and he grabbed me and pulled me out of there 632 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: by the arm and we and we didn't go back. 633 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: I got the wrap beat out of me after that, 634 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: and then he made me pull a trade with his friends, 635 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: meaning I had to head back to back sex with 636 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: like several of his friends. And I'm not in a 637 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,359 Speaker 1: comfortable way. It was just the most demoralizing thing. 638 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 2: Ever, So how are you able to talk about this? 639 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: Because my story is not unlike the stories of the 640 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: women that I serve. Some of them are worse the 641 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,720 Speaker 1: people that the women that we serve, and it. 642 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:58,720 Speaker 2: Has to come for a second. Yeah, I'm so sorry. 643 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 2: Nobody deserves to be treated like that, Carly. That is 644 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 2: absolutely heartbreaking, and I'm I wish I could stop, But 645 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 2: I'm just envisioning this eighteen year old kid who's been 646 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 2: abused for a whole life now dealing with with that. 647 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: It happens every day to it happens every day. There 648 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: are some details about my story that are actually different, 649 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,320 Speaker 1: that are obviously different, but this kind of stuff happens 650 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: to women, the women that I serve, and women all 651 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,359 Speaker 1: over this wonderful nation every day. 652 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 2: We live in our insular, safe worlds. And to know 653 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 2: that this is going on literally right this minute somewhere 654 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 2: in this country, I mean, I can't quit thinking about 655 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 2: it right now. Listen to you. It breaks my heart. 656 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 2: It breaks my heart. I am I cannot believe I'm 657 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 2: sitting three feet across the table from this bright eyed 658 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 2: person living in Rockford. Then we're going to get to 659 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 2: it that they had to succumb to this. I mean, 660 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 2: this is worse than this is. I mean, it's slavery. 661 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 2: It's slavery. 662 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 1: It is. 663 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 2: How'd you get away from the sky. 664 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 1: So one day I was cleaning the apartment and there 665 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 1: was a flip phone in the couch cushion, and I 666 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: called the only number I can think of, and it 667 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: was an ex boyfriend who was like a film student nerd. 668 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,319 Speaker 1: And I said, Neil, come to this address. Do not 669 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 1: call the police. I'm going to jump out the window. 670 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 2: And third story. 671 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I said, I'll probably break my legs. Just 672 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: drag me to the car, but I'll. 673 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 2: Be on hero when I won't feel it. Don't worry. 674 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 2: I'll make sure I shoot a really good thing in 675 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:06,240 Speaker 2: borrow before i'm jumped. You're onto being I'm kidding. 676 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 1: No, that's exactly what I thought, Like, Oh my gosh, 677 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 1: what I thought. I said, just don't call the cops 678 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: because the cops were in bed with the cartel guys, 679 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:22,800 Speaker 1: right and no, not right really, oh yeah, absolutely not all. 680 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 2: Of them, but but they had protection there. 681 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 1: Yeah. So that's why I never you know, that's why 682 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: my plan was to get citizens. Because there was another 683 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 1: time when I tried at a grocery store, and do 684 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,400 Speaker 1: you know, every single person duck and dove from me 685 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: at that grocery store, I yelled rape. That was the 686 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: second time I tried to get away, I yelled rape. 687 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 1: It is like ten eleven twelve, and we're at a 688 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 1: twenty four hour grocery store. Everybody ran from me, Nobody 689 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 1: came to help me. 690 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 2: Would you look like I'm trying to understand why people 691 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,400 Speaker 2: was it that you were out of your mind high 692 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 2: and probably looked like hell when people just thought you 693 00:38:58,480 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 2: were crazy? 694 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: My face and scabs all over my face. 695 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 2: That's why I don't. 696 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 1: Think my teeth were falling out yet, but I definitely 697 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 1: had like cavities and stuff. Yeah, yeah, very much. Why 698 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,840 Speaker 1: I'm so protective of my people these days. 699 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 2: And that concludes Part one of my conversation with Carly Rice. 700 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 2: And I'm telling you, guys, you don't want to miss 701 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,760 Speaker 2: part two. It's now available to listen to the Redemption. 702 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 2: It's common. Together, guys, we can change the country, but 703 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 2: it's going to start with you. I'll see you in 704 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 2: part two.