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Speaker 1: to your favorite shows. When we talk about voter suppression,
Speaker 1: we often use the term bad actors individuals that are
Speaker 1: actively trying to suppress voters. Jesse Littlewood is the vice
Speaker 1: president for Campaigns at Common Cause, a nonpartisan democracy organization
Speaker 1: that works to protect voting rights. Bad actors can be foreign.
Speaker 1: That actors can be domestic. Bad actors can be individuals
Speaker 1: or bots pushing information out into the media ecosystem. In
Speaker 1: our viral virtual world, bad actors are lurking behind every screen,
Speaker 1: working to intentionally spread incorrect information across social media and
Speaker 1: other types of media, to create an environment where it
Speaker 1: feels like voting isn't something we all do together, but
Speaker 1: it's some kind of partisan battle field. But never fear,
Speaker 1: because our democracy has its protectors too, including you. You've
Speaker 1: taken the challenge and you've chosen to be a disinformation fighter.
Speaker 1: Put on your capes, Democracy heroes, it's time for your training.
Speaker 1: You are a newly deputized troll buster. The first crime
Speaker 1: fighting superpower that you can tap into is skepticism. The
Speaker 1: first thing is to be skeptical of anything that makes
Speaker 1: extremely explosive claim or takes a singular incident as proof
Speaker 1: of some kind of widespread pattern. Another super strength that
Speaker 1: you have at the ready, good information. Flood your feeds
Speaker 1: with it. Let that audience know how to find the
Speaker 1: trusted source of information Secretaries of State Office of your state,
Speaker 1: or the website can I vote dot org, which goes
Speaker 1: to the National Association Secretaries of State not will work
Speaker 1: people directly to the right information for their state. Finally,
Speaker 1: be aware of the kryptonite that may weaken your powers.
Speaker 1: Don't engage something I often mind very hard to do.
Speaker 1: You have to combat the urge to reply or debunk,
Speaker 1: um or dunk on any kind of wrong content that
Speaker 1: you see online. No matter any response that you put
Speaker 1: to a piece of online social media content, the social
Speaker 1: media algorithms will read that as engagement and try and
Speaker 1: push it in front of other individuals. So even the
Speaker 1: frownie face or the retweet that says this is garbage
Speaker 1: will end up telling the social media algorithm this is
Speaker 1: highly engaging content. We should put it on in front
Speaker 1: of other people in their feed. Instead, you should flag
Speaker 1: it within the platform. Facebook and Twitter and many other
Speaker 1: platforms have processes where you can report disinformation when it
Speaker 1: comes to voting in elections. The other thing you can
Speaker 1: do is report it to the disinformation experts at Common Cause.
Speaker 1: You can also join our social media monitoring team become
Speaker 1: part of this growing movement of democracy advocates that are
Speaker 1: using their online personas to fight against disinformation and to
Speaker 1: protect every voter. I'm Katie Currict and this is Turnout
Speaker 1: today on the podcast The Scourge of Disinformation. Well, it's
Speaker 1: not exclusive to the Internet age. We've seen billboards, flyers,
Speaker 1: and unsolicited phone calls. It is thriving online like never before.
Speaker 1: A tweet or a post can be spread to millions
Speaker 1: almost instantaneously, and there's almost no cost to doing it,
Speaker 1: and it gives more opportunity for the bad actors to
Speaker 1: try a bunch of tactics, to throw spaghetti against the
Speaker 1: wall and see what sticks, because there's very little downside
Speaker 1: to them. The platforms in the action that they can
Speaker 1: take against these bad actors are pretty limited. That can
Speaker 1: be difficult for them to wall off their platform from
Speaker 1: a bad actor who wants to come back on the
Speaker 1: platform and be able to I something again. So far
Speaker 1: in our podcast series, we've covered the physical barriers to
Speaker 1: the ballot, like the financial burden of a poll tax,
Speaker 1: the hoops you have to jump through to register to vote,
Speaker 1: and the arcane laws that keep formally incarcerated people from voting,
Speaker 1: But when it comes to cyber suppression, Jesse says voters
Speaker 1: should be aware of three types of information disorders, disinformation, misinformation,
Speaker 1: and malinformation. Disinformation is something false, even if it sometimes
Speaker 1: contains a little nugget of truth that is deliberately created
Speaker 1: and spread to harm a person, a group, an organization,
Speaker 1: or make trouble when it comes to our elections. So
Speaker 1: disinformation is used for voter suppression when you tell people
Speaker 1: the wrong date uh day, the wrong place, or the
Speaker 1: wrong manner in which they can vote, in order to
Speaker 1: confuse them or cause them to miss their chance to
Speaker 1: cast a ballot. Misinformation is mimilarly false information, but it
Speaker 1: isn't necessarily intended to cause harm. You can think about
Speaker 1: it kind of like accidental disinformation. The rules can actually
Speaker 1: vary pretty significantly state to state, So some of the
Speaker 1: misinformation around voter suppression that we see online has to
Speaker 1: do with people incorrectly assuming a one size fits all
Speaker 1: approach to something like mail and balloting um and instead
Speaker 1: can create confusion and can actually cause people to um
Speaker 1: understand something wrong or to choose not to make use
Speaker 1: of a safe, secure and available option for them to vote. Now,
Speaker 1: the very last type. The third type of information disorder
Speaker 1: is called malinformation, and this is the one that not
Speaker 1: a lot of people necessarily know about. So malinformation is
Speaker 1: sort of defined by true information that's used to cause
Speaker 1: harm of a group. So one example could be leaking
Speaker 1: private information about someone in order to embarrass them or
Speaker 1: helping other people to abuse them. That could be private communications,
Speaker 1: it could be personal information. What Common Cause is doing
Speaker 1: to stop cyber suppression works on two levels. The first,
Speaker 1: as Jesse mentioned earlier, is flooding the Internet with those
Speaker 1: trusted sources of information. The second level is removing as
Speaker 1: many instances of disinformation as possible. We're working with the
Speaker 1: social media companies to make sure they strengthen their terms
Speaker 1: of service, while we're working as well with disinformation experts
Speaker 1: and big data experts to analyze the overall social media
Speaker 1: conversation and flag disinformation and bad actors to the companies themselves.
Speaker 1: And then we've also recruited hundreds of social media monitoring volunteers,
Speaker 1: nonpartisan volunteers that are active on social media, who we've
Speaker 1: given advanced training on how to identify and flag incidences
Speaker 1: of cyber suppression, so we document it, analyze it, and
Speaker 1: then we take action on it. Volunteers are actually extremely
Speaker 1: important because there are some places that the big data
Speaker 1: and social media experts can't see because their private social
Speaker 1: networking locations. So a great example is a private Facebook
Speaker 1: group or next door the neighborhood platform social media platform
Speaker 1: where you have to verify your address and then you're
Speaker 1: placed within a neighborhood and only the people in your
Speaker 1: neighborhood can see your content. So volunteers who are active
Speaker 1: in their communities on social media are the only way
Speaker 1: we're able to monitor and help document and remove disinformation
Speaker 1: as it comes to voting in elections on those platforms.
Speaker 1: Combating cyber suppression also means looking into a crystal ball
Speaker 1: of sorts to stop the lies before they take root
Speaker 1: and spread. By reviewing our database of disinformation, we can
Speaker 1: understand what are some of the most pernicious narratives that
Speaker 1: could impact voters, and we're creating effective responses to that,
Speaker 1: either by pre bunking that with the correct information that
Speaker 1: helps protect people from believing something that's not true, or
Speaker 1: helping people understand what is true and why they may
Speaker 1: have received some disinformation about something that comes to voting.
Speaker 1: One of the challenges of playing whack a mole when
Speaker 1: it comes to disinformation is one. How the platforms read
Speaker 1: their own policies can be really different than how the
Speaker 1: voting rights advocates and voters themselves can be affected by it.
Speaker 1: And some of that has to do with geography, right
Speaker 1: Like when we post content on social media, usually we
Speaker 1: don't specify specific geography we're talking about, and the voting
Speaker 1: and elections rules often very state by state, But the
Speaker 1: platforms aren't necessarily able or willing to educate their moderators
Speaker 1: and to make clear enough rules to help prevent disinformation.
Speaker 1: That has to do with some of these cases that
Speaker 1: can vary from place to place. That's I don't think
Speaker 1: is an excuse. We're talking about our democracy, the most
Speaker 1: fundamental part of what keeps our country running and gives
Speaker 1: all citizens and all voters the ability of making decisions
Speaker 1: for our country. It's really not an excuse that it's complicated.
Speaker 1: These are super smart, super wealthy, super accomplished individuals that
Speaker 1: run a highly highly successful company. I believe, I truly
Speaker 1: believe that they could figure this out if they applied themselves.
Speaker 1: So how do we hold social media networks accountable? Put
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Speaker 1: listen to your favorite shows. Mr Suckerberg, is Facebook consider
Speaker 1: itself a neutral public forum? Senator? We consider ourselves to
Speaker 1: be a platform for all ideas. In April of two
Speaker 1: thousand eighteen, Mark Zuckerberg appeared before the Senate's Commerce and
Speaker 1: Judiciary Committees to discuss Russian disinformation on Facebook and a
Speaker 1: massive data breach. Let me ask the question again, does
Speaker 1: Facebook consider itself to be a neutral public forum? And
Speaker 1: representatives of your company have given conflicting answers on this? Uh, Senator,
Speaker 1: Here's how we think about this. I don't believe that
Speaker 1: there are certain content that clearly we do not allow.
Speaker 1: That data breach happened four years before Zuckerberg was in
Speaker 1: the hot seat. Facebook rolled out a new tool today
Speaker 1: that will start notifying users if you are among the
Speaker 1: eight seven million people whose personal data may have been
Speaker 1: harvested by political consulting firm Cambridge Analytica. In two thousand fourteen,
Speaker 1: a British voter profiling company called Cambridge Analytica Cambridge An
Speaker 1: Cambridge Analytica, Cambridge Analytica, a company called Cambridge Analytica harvested
Speaker 1: private information from the Facebook profiles of more than fifty
Speaker 1: million users without their permission. That private information was primarily
Speaker 1: used for political advertising and the two thousand sixteen presidential election,
Speaker 1: and it was one of the largest leaks in Facebook's history.
Speaker 1: That massive story, which was a two thousand nineteen Pulitzer
Speaker 1: Prize finalists Hi Carol, but just the Right Time then
Speaker 1: was exposed by British investigative journalists Carol Cadwalader. It's not
Speaker 1: just a company which has all this power, It's an
Speaker 1: empire which is ruled by the boy king, Mark Zuckerberg.
Speaker 1: I invited Carol to come onto the podcast to find
Speaker 1: out how much this ubiquitous social media platform is destroying
Speaker 1: our democracy and what, if anything, we can all do
Speaker 1: about it. The thing I find most terrifying about Facebook
Speaker 1: is this realization that there is just simply no body
Speaker 1: on Earth that can hold this company to account. It
Speaker 1: really is bigger than governments and law enforcement agencies and regulators.
Speaker 1: Decisions are made by personalities. There are no checks and
Speaker 1: balances at all on that power, and in that way
Speaker 1: it is the nearest comparison is to North Korea. Facebook's
Speaker 1: family of apps, including Instagram and What's App, has more
Speaker 1: than two point nine billion global users every month, which
Speaker 1: is nearly two fifths of the world's population. But the
Speaker 1: danger of that kind of power is that it's not obvious.
Speaker 1: In fact, for Carol, it took those years of reporting
Speaker 1: and a few key moments to be able to see
Speaker 1: the wolf hiding in the hoodie. The Federal Trade Commission
Speaker 1: has voted to find Facebook nearly five billion dollars from
Speaker 1: mishandling users personal information. One of the key moments was
Speaker 1: when Facebook was fined five billion dollars for the data
Speaker 1: abuse scandal with Cambridge Analytica. And this was a record fine,
Speaker 1: you know, it's the biggest ever by the FTC. And
Speaker 1: Facebook share price actually went up on that day because
Speaker 1: it was it just wasn't that bad. I mean, five
Speaker 1: billion dollars really is nothing to accompany the size and
Speaker 1: scale of Facebook. And then the other moment was for
Speaker 1: me was when Marks A Keberg he kept on refusing
Speaker 1: to come to Britain to answer questions to our parliament
Speaker 1: about what happened in the Brexit referendum. Mark Zuckerberg will
Speaker 1: not appear in front of Parliament in the UK after
Speaker 1: he declined the invitation from the chair of the Digital, Culture,
Speaker 1: Media and Sports Committee, Damien Collins. It's this sort of
Speaker 1: extraordinary moment of really thinking about what that kind of
Speaker 1: power means in the world. And I think, you know,
Speaker 1: I think people in America are just sort of waking
Speaker 1: up to a bit of that really starkly in terms
Speaker 1: of the next few weeks in the election. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about disinformation during the election. How prevalent is it and
Speaker 1: how worrisome is it. I think it's incredibly worrisome. The
Speaker 1: way to think of it is it is this sort
Speaker 1: of toxic pollution. It is a sort of oil slick
Speaker 1: almost which is sort of spread through the entire information space.
Speaker 1: Lies and misinformation is spread at speed and scale because
Speaker 1: the algorithm favors it. A British news organization did a
Speaker 1: series of reports in September which were really interesting around
Speaker 1: the topic of voter suppression and which is because they
Speaker 1: got hold of the r n c s entire voting
Speaker 1: database from two thousand and sixteen and they discovered, you know,
Speaker 1: in the voter files people have been marked for deterrents,
Speaker 1: and that was voters who were targeted with suppression ads
Speaker 1: who they were trying to stop turning out to vote.
Speaker 1: And they discovered it was black and minority voters who
Speaker 1: were disproportionately targeted for deterrents using Facebook's tools. And you know,
Speaker 1: this mass of data, including stolen Facebook data, to to
Speaker 1: to target them. And there's something really, really really disturbing
Speaker 1: about that. You know, it's the machinery of fascism, the
Speaker 1: idea that this American company is being used to touch
Speaker 1: to racially profile people and then target them with the
Speaker 1: intention of trying to stop them turn out to vote.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it is the stuff of dystopia.
Speaker 1: Facebook is being used to subvert democracy. Coming up, how
Speaker 1: Carol is subverting the subverter m H I call the
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Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to podcasts. For years, Carol Cadwalader
Speaker 1: reported on the waste Facebook funneled racism and unchecked disinformation
Speaker 1: into millions of users feeds, manipulating the world's most powerful
Speaker 1: democracy during the two thousand and sixteen presidential election. This
Speaker 1: time around, Carol wasn't about to stand by and watch
Speaker 1: Facebook interfere and yet another presidential race. It's an emergency intervention.
Speaker 1: It's borne out of this recognition that there is no
Speaker 1: way of holding it to account and that it essentially
Speaker 1: is a dangerous weapon that is um about out to be,
Speaker 1: is already being deployed in an incredibly consequential election. And
Speaker 1: from this realization that there is no way of of
Speaker 1: making Facebook do the right thing. There is no actual
Speaker 1: mechanism or lever to do this, So we had to
Speaker 1: just try and invent our own. She gathered together a
Speaker 1: coalition of academics, legal experts, and civil rights leaders to
Speaker 1: act as a check against Facebook's unbalanced power. The group
Speaker 1: calls itself the Real Facebook Oversight Board. Facebook was terribly
Speaker 1: proud of the fact that it had this idea for
Speaker 1: setting up its so called oversight board, and originally Mark Zuckerberg.
Speaker 1: You know, it was three years ago they started talking
Speaker 1: about it and it still hasn't appeared, So it's it
Speaker 1: may they say it may be up and running before
Speaker 1: the election, but even if it is, it doesn't really
Speaker 1: matter because all it is looking at in the initial
Speaker 1: stages is it's a kind of super dream court for
Speaker 1: Facebook is the idea. But all it's going to be
Speaker 1: able to rule on initially is if somebody's had their
Speaker 1: post taken down, they can appeal and the oversight board
Speaker 1: can make a decision on whether it should go back
Speaker 1: up again. And when you think of the sort of
Speaker 1: the number of harms that Facebook is doing and the
Speaker 1: danger it represents, that is like, honestly the least of them.
Speaker 1: The group kick things off on September with a live
Speaker 1: press conference hosted where else on Facebook is this sort
Speaker 1: of a guerilla act of subversion. Basically, it's kind of
Speaker 1: like punk. It's sort of punk theater. This is a
Speaker 1: live press conference. You'll first be hearing from six board members.
Speaker 1: And the amazing thing is that these really brilliant academics
Speaker 1: and civil rights leaders got the idea immediately and sort
Speaker 1: of like jumped at the prospect of it and have
Speaker 1: really thrown themselves into it. With that, I would like
Speaker 1: to introduce Shoshan Zubach, author of the Age of surveillance,
Speaker 1: capitalism and Professor Emerita Harvard Business for Shoshana. Thank you, Kyle.
Speaker 1: Our group has come together for one purpose. We demand
Speaker 1: comprehensive action to ensure that face rock cannot be weaponized
Speaker 1: to undermine the vote and with it American democracy. What
Speaker 1: are you doing with the real Facebook Oversight board? What
Speaker 1: are your goals? So for the first press conference that
Speaker 1: we did, you know, there's there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: on the board with a lot of diverse opinions, but
Speaker 1: we tried to see what consensus there was around a
Speaker 1: couple of kind of minimum asks and we did, actually,
Speaker 1: you reach consensus essentially one of them. Facebook has now
Speaker 1: done so its first task was around anything to de
Speaker 1: legitimize the election during that crucial period between the close
Speaker 1: of poles and tour for a winner is announced. And
Speaker 1: now Facebook has announced that it's not allowing political ads
Speaker 1: to it for what's saying. I think it's for a
Speaker 1: week after the election, but it's made this thing about
Speaker 1: any ads which deligitimize the election, you know, declare victory prematurely.
Speaker 1: It's it's banning those. But the other key demand is
Speaker 1: around organic content, which is so because that is we
Speaker 1: know it's going to be like the real problem during
Speaker 1: that period. So we are asking for a anything which
Speaker 1: is calling victory premature, lee, casting doubt about the validity
Speaker 1: of the election, misreporting, voter fraud, etcetera. That we're saying
Speaker 1: that those should be clearly labeled, and any other key
Speaker 1: demand is just that there are just asking for Facebook
Speaker 1: to enforce its own policies. So Facebook has policies around
Speaker 1: incitement to violence, for example, it just doesn't enforce them.
Speaker 1: And one of the people it doesn't enforce that policy
Speaker 1: on is the President of the United States. It's an
Speaker 1: awesome idea, but realistically, Carol, I mean, is it? Is
Speaker 1: it somewhat impotent? I mean, what can this real oversight
Speaker 1: board do? Yes, I mean that is the point there.
Speaker 1: It is impotent because we are all impotent because we
Speaker 1: don't have the power. Facebook has the power, and there is,
Speaker 1: as I say, nothing on earth that can change that. However,
Speaker 1: the only thing that Facebook ever, ever, ever, ever, ever
Speaker 1: responds to is public pressure. It is pressure from the
Speaker 1: American press and the American people. So, um, the only
Speaker 1: thing we can do is create a noise and to
Speaker 1: try and amplify the voices of people who need to
Speaker 1: be heard from, and you know what, to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, one of my thoughts about it was if
Speaker 1: the worst does happen and terror all things do happen,
Speaker 1: and Facebook doesn't take the steps to prevent them, and
Speaker 1: it deliberately enables the inciting of violence, etcetera, etcetera, there
Speaker 1: is going to be a framework in place of people
Speaker 1: who are able to mobilize and to be a counter
Speaker 1: voice to Facebook, because you know, it has all of
Speaker 1: the money and all of the lobbyists and all of
Speaker 1: the spokespeople and all of the PR firms and all
Speaker 1: of the contact, so it gets its message out very
Speaker 1: powerfully across the media. And parts of this is about
Speaker 1: is sort of an organized response to have these other
Speaker 1: voices who can explain the harms and why it is
Speaker 1: so important that action is taken that and that their
Speaker 1: voices are heard in the media. So it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's a fool's errand I'm sure, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: it just felt that because we could try, we had
Speaker 1: to try. One of the things we all have to
Speaker 1: do is unders and that we absolutely have a role
Speaker 1: to play in this. Not just a journalist, I'm a
Speaker 1: citizen and It's like, we do have to really understand
Speaker 1: that we have to step up if we don't want
Speaker 1: to see our countries sort of descend into authoritarian chaos.
Speaker 1: Then it really is as up for us as individuals
Speaker 1: to um to realize that the only way that any
Speaker 1: of this is going to stop, the only way we're
Speaker 1: going to help hold these companies to account is you know,
Speaker 1: it's got to come from us as individuals. We've got
Speaker 1: to find ways to work together. And there is power,
Speaker 1: you know, which can come from a united band of
Speaker 1: people who are do stand up to power. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's been so that story has been so powerfully told
Speaker 1: with Black Lives Matter, and I think that hopefully a
Speaker 1: lot more people realize that actually you do need to
Speaker 1: sort of stand up and be counted and to be
Speaker 1: trying in whatever way you can to hold the line truths, facts,
Speaker 1: evidence based reporting, rule of law institutions. These things are
Speaker 1: so important and we have to realize their value and
Speaker 1: defend them in whatever means possible. Really, Facebook has made
Speaker 1: some attempts to monitor the content on its platform. Recently,
Speaker 1: the company announced it would be in anything that denies
Speaker 1: or distorts the Holocaust, as well as Q and on
Speaker 1: an organization that promotes and perpetuates outrageous conspiracy theories. They
Speaker 1: are now making some decisions on you know, like the
Speaker 1: Q and on stuff, although there is you know that
Speaker 1: doesn't go far enough. I'm optimistic that the challenges that
Speaker 1: our democracy face today can be overcome because we've overcome
Speaker 1: harder challenges in the past. For Jesse Littlewood, Hope Springs Eternal,
Speaker 1: we are faced with a whole suite of challenges to
Speaker 1: voters and to the belief in the integrity of our democracy.
Speaker 1: But we've confronted even tougher problems in the past, and
Speaker 1: while not perfect, our democracy was improved and expanded through
Speaker 1: those other challenges. So I think we have a resilient
Speaker 1: system and a pretty resilient population. It's a path that
Speaker 1: is a hard one, and we are currently headed in
Speaker 1: the wrong direction when it comes to rebuilding trust and
Speaker 1: civic participation. But if you talk to young people today
Speaker 1: who are civically engaged, they're involved in the fight for
Speaker 1: to stop climate change no I know, or they're involved
Speaker 1: in advocacy around gun control or the way that we
Speaker 1: should be approaching those subjects. Everyday shooting alright, everyday, prob
Speaker 1: my name is R. Bobs, and I'm here what the
Speaker 1: brave there involves across the board on a whole different
Speaker 1: set of civic issues. So there's an opportunity to rebuild
Speaker 1: a sense of civic engagement, and voting is one of
Speaker 1: those ways. I think it's a problem when people in
Speaker 1: the voting community say that that's the only way you
Speaker 1: should get involved. It certainly is an important one, but
Speaker 1: it's not the only thing that is going to help
Speaker 1: get us out of it. Participation is the secret. I
Speaker 1: don't believe we're going to be able to litigate, lobby
Speaker 1: or legislate our way out of a diminished civic society.
Speaker 1: It's going to take active participation on behalf of individuals
Speaker 1: to be able to improve the condition of our democracy.
Speaker 1: Next week on turnout, we're the moral compass of the country.
Speaker 1: Why kids these days maybe the real democracy heroes. There's
Speaker 1: a visionary power that young people hold and that is
Speaker 1: something that we need to continue to follow. Young people,
Speaker 1: not a certain generation, are the moral compass of the country. Hey, listeners,
Speaker 1: before we wrap up, I want to share some of
Speaker 1: those websites again. If you want to report the disinformation
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Speaker 1: all you need to know about how and where to
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