WEBVTT - TURNOUT Episode 3: ‘A guerrilla act of subversion’ 0:00:01.040 --> 0:00:03.720 Hi, my name is Lindsay Louis. Cal Hope is here 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:06.240 for you with three mental health resources. Go to cal 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:09.240 Hope dot org to chat with a live person called 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:15.680 their Warmline at one eight three three seven Hope. What 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:20.360 girls in the forest? Our imagination and our family bonds. 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:23.840 The forest is closer than you think. 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Check out Drink Champs conversation with Yea and 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:00.880 many more legendary artists each and every Friday on the 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:03.720 I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:08.280 to your favorite shows. When we talk about voter suppression, 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:14.320 we often use the term bad actors individuals that are 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:18.440 actively trying to suppress voters. Jesse Littlewood is the vice 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:23.800 president for Campaigns at Common Cause, a nonpartisan democracy organization 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:28.440 that works to protect voting rights. Bad actors can be foreign. 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:33.560 That actors can be domestic. Bad actors can be individuals 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:38.400 or bots pushing information out into the media ecosystem. In 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:42.960 our viral virtual world, bad actors are lurking behind every screen, 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:49.000 working to intentionally spread incorrect information across social media and 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:52.560 other types of media, to create an environment where it 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:55.120 feels like voting isn't something we all do together, but 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:59.000 it's some kind of partisan battle field. But never fear, 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:04.720 because our democracy has its protectors too, including you. You've 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:08.679 taken the challenge and you've chosen to be a disinformation fighter. 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:12.640 Put on your capes, Democracy heroes, it's time for your training. 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:16.600 You are a newly deputized troll buster. The first crime 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:20.920 fighting superpower that you can tap into is skepticism. The 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:24.000 first thing is to be skeptical of anything that makes 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:28.360 extremely explosive claim or takes a singular incident as proof 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:31.760 of some kind of widespread pattern. Another super strength that 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:35.920 you have at the ready, good information. Flood your feeds 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:39.440 with it. Let that audience know how to find the 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:43.200 trusted source of information Secretaries of State Office of your state, 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:45.880 or the website can I vote dot org, which goes 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:49.560 to the National Association Secretaries of State not will work 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:53.640 people directly to the right information for their state. Finally, 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:56.760 be aware of the kryptonite that may weaken your powers. 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:02.000 Don't engage something I often mind very hard to do. 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:06.280 You have to combat the urge to reply or debunk, 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:10.880 um or dunk on any kind of wrong content that 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:14.760 you see online. No matter any response that you put 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:18.239 to a piece of online social media content, the social 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:21.680 media algorithms will read that as engagement and try and 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:24.840 push it in front of other individuals. So even the 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:28.760 frownie face or the retweet that says this is garbage 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:32.000 will end up telling the social media algorithm this is 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:34.639 highly engaging content. We should put it on in front 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:38.480 of other people in their feed. Instead, you should flag 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:41.520 it within the platform. Facebook and Twitter and many other 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:46.040 platforms have processes where you can report disinformation when it 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:48.720 comes to voting in elections. The other thing you can 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:52.840 do is report it to the disinformation experts at Common Cause. 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:57.440 You can also join our social media monitoring team become 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:01.760 part of this growing movement of democracy advocates that are 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:06.240 using their online personas to fight against disinformation and to 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:11.480 protect every voter. I'm Katie Currict and this is Turnout 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:16.839 today on the podcast The Scourge of Disinformation. Well, it's 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:20.920 not exclusive to the Internet age. We've seen billboards, flyers, 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:26.039 and unsolicited phone calls. It is thriving online like never before. 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:31.000 A tweet or a post can be spread to millions 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:35.400 almost instantaneously, and there's almost no cost to doing it, 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:39.080 and it gives more opportunity for the bad actors to 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:42.200 try a bunch of tactics, to throw spaghetti against the 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:45.560 wall and see what sticks, because there's very little downside 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.520 to them. The platforms in the action that they can 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:52.280 take against these bad actors are pretty limited. That can 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:56.240 be difficult for them to wall off their platform from 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:58.159 a bad actor who wants to come back on the 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:01.880 platform and be able to I something again. So far 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:05.400 in our podcast series, we've covered the physical barriers to 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:08.719 the ballot, like the financial burden of a poll tax, 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:11.760 the hoops you have to jump through to register to vote, 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:16.239 and the arcane laws that keep formally incarcerated people from voting, 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:20.320 But when it comes to cyber suppression, Jesse says voters 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:27.239 should be aware of three types of information disorders, disinformation, misinformation, 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:33.520 and malinformation. Disinformation is something false, even if it sometimes 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:37.440 contains a little nugget of truth that is deliberately created 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:40.960 and spread to harm a person, a group, an organization, 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:44.360 or make trouble when it comes to our elections. So 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:48.039 disinformation is used for voter suppression when you tell people 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:51.200 the wrong date uh day, the wrong place, or the 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:53.800 wrong manner in which they can vote, in order to 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.599 confuse them or cause them to miss their chance to 0:05:56.760 --> 0:06:02.400 cast a ballot. Misinformation is mimilarly false information, but it 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:05.599 isn't necessarily intended to cause harm. You can think about 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:09.679 it kind of like accidental disinformation. The rules can actually 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:13.320 vary pretty significantly state to state, So some of the 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:17.359 misinformation around voter suppression that we see online has to 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:20.640 do with people incorrectly assuming a one size fits all 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:24.680 approach to something like mail and balloting um and instead 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:29.200 can create confusion and can actually cause people to um 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:32.719 understand something wrong or to choose not to make use 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:37.000 of a safe, secure and available option for them to vote. Now, 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:40.320 the very last type. The third type of information disorder 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.520 is called malinformation, and this is the one that not 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:47.640 a lot of people necessarily know about. So malinformation is 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:51.640 sort of defined by true information that's used to cause 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:56.279 harm of a group. So one example could be leaking 0:06:56.400 --> 0:07:00.320 private information about someone in order to embarrass them or 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:04.039 helping other people to abuse them. That could be private communications, 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:07.280 it could be personal information. What Common Cause is doing 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:11.240 to stop cyber suppression works on two levels. The first, 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:14.840 as Jesse mentioned earlier, is flooding the Internet with those 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:19.520 trusted sources of information. The second level is removing as 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:24.200 many instances of disinformation as possible. We're working with the 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:26.680 social media companies to make sure they strengthen their terms 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:31.440 of service, while we're working as well with disinformation experts 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:34.960 and big data experts to analyze the overall social media 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:40.200 conversation and flag disinformation and bad actors to the companies themselves. 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:46.080 And then we've also recruited hundreds of social media monitoring volunteers, 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:50.920 nonpartisan volunteers that are active on social media, who we've 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:55.040 given advanced training on how to identify and flag incidences 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:59.000 of cyber suppression, so we document it, analyze it, and 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:02.800 then we take action on it. Volunteers are actually extremely 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:05.840 important because there are some places that the big data 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:09.880 and social media experts can't see because their private social 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:14.280 networking locations. So a great example is a private Facebook 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:19.240 group or next door the neighborhood platform social media platform 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:21.960 where you have to verify your address and then you're 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:24.720 placed within a neighborhood and only the people in your 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:28.960 neighborhood can see your content. So volunteers who are active 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:32.160 in their communities on social media are the only way 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:36.800 we're able to monitor and help document and remove disinformation 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:40.920 as it comes to voting in elections on those platforms. 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:45.120 Combating cyber suppression also means looking into a crystal ball 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:48.680 of sorts to stop the lies before they take root 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:53.240 and spread. By reviewing our database of disinformation, we can 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:57.040 understand what are some of the most pernicious narratives that 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:01.840 could impact voters, and we're creating effective responses to that, 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:05.680 either by pre bunking that with the correct information that 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:10.120 helps protect people from believing something that's not true, or 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:14.000 helping people understand what is true and why they may 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:17.480 have received some disinformation about something that comes to voting. 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:20.400 One of the challenges of playing whack a mole when 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.679 it comes to disinformation is one. How the platforms read 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:26.000 their own policies can be really different than how the 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:30.040 voting rights advocates and voters themselves can be affected by it. 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:32.400 And some of that has to do with geography, right 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:35.840 Like when we post content on social media, usually we 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:40.000 don't specify specific geography we're talking about, and the voting 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:43.600 and elections rules often very state by state, But the 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:48.599 platforms aren't necessarily able or willing to educate their moderators 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:53.880 and to make clear enough rules to help prevent disinformation. 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.320 That has to do with some of these cases that 0:09:56.440 --> 0:10:00.160 can vary from place to place. That's I don't think 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:03.320 is an excuse. We're talking about our democracy, the most 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:07.960 fundamental part of what keeps our country running and gives 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:11.760 all citizens and all voters the ability of making decisions 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:15.240 for our country. It's really not an excuse that it's complicated. 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:20.160 These are super smart, super wealthy, super accomplished individuals that 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:24.120 run a highly highly successful company. I believe, I truly 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:26.440 believe that they could figure this out if they applied themselves. 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:31.800 So how do we hold social media networks accountable? Put 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:35.679 Mark Zuckerberg speak to the flame that's coming up right 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:46.120 after this. This is Roxanne Gay, host of The Roxanne 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:50.320 Gay Agenda The Bad Room, in his podcast of Your Dreams. 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On the Black Effect podcast Network, host n 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:51.040 O r E and d J E. F N sat 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:55.000 down with artists and icon Ya, which Vulture called one 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:58.719 of most significant interviews. I literally had to go like 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:00.679 Danos and I don't want to have to be the villain. 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:02.840 But when I went and did the dawn the thing, 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:06.920 Yea returned and anybody had to sit back and watch 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:10.280 the real leader. Check out drink Champ's conversation with Yea 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:13.400 and many more legendary artists each and every Friday on 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:16.080 the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or ever you 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:22.280 listen to your favorite shows. Mr Suckerberg, is Facebook consider 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:26.760 itself a neutral public forum? Senator? We consider ourselves to 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:30.120 be a platform for all ideas. In April of two 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:33.600 thousand eighteen, Mark Zuckerberg appeared before the Senate's Commerce and 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:39.120 Judiciary Committees to discuss Russian disinformation on Facebook and a 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:42.800 massive data breach. Let me ask the question again, does 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:45.160 Facebook consider itself to be a neutral public forum? And 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:50.200 representatives of your company have given conflicting answers on this? Uh, Senator, 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:53.040 Here's how we think about this. I don't believe that 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:56.920 there are certain content that clearly we do not allow. 0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:01.000 That data breach happened four years before Zuckerberg was in 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:03.680 the hot seat. Facebook rolled out a new tool today 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:06.880 that will start notifying users if you are among the 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:10.080 eight seven million people whose personal data may have been 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:15.000 harvested by political consulting firm Cambridge Analytica. In two thousand fourteen, 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:19.640 a British voter profiling company called Cambridge Analytica Cambridge An 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:25.560 Cambridge Analytica, Cambridge Analytica, a company called Cambridge Analytica harvested 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:29.800 private information from the Facebook profiles of more than fifty 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:35.480 million users without their permission. That private information was primarily 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:40.840 used for political advertising and the two thousand sixteen presidential election, 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:44.880 and it was one of the largest leaks in Facebook's history. 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:49.400 That massive story, which was a two thousand nineteen Pulitzer 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:54.560 Prize finalists Hi Carol, but just the Right Time then 0:14:56.240 --> 0:15:00.680 was exposed by British investigative journalists Carol Cadwalader. It's not 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:02.920 just a company which has all this power, It's an 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:07.480 empire which is ruled by the boy king, Mark Zuckerberg. 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:12.600 I invited Carol to come onto the podcast to find 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:16.640 out how much this ubiquitous social media platform is destroying 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:20.800 our democracy and what, if anything, we can all do 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:25.480 about it. The thing I find most terrifying about Facebook 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:30.560 is this realization that there is just simply no body 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:33.960 on Earth that can hold this company to account. It 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:40.160 really is bigger than governments and law enforcement agencies and regulators. 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:45.120 Decisions are made by personalities. There are no checks and 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:48.520 balances at all on that power, and in that way 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:55.200 it is the nearest comparison is to North Korea. Facebook's 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:59.040 family of apps, including Instagram and What's App, has more 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:03.160 than two point nine billion global users every month, which 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:07.560 is nearly two fifths of the world's population. But the 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:10.280 danger of that kind of power is that it's not obvious. 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.880 In fact, for Carol, it took those years of reporting 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:16.880 and a few key moments to be able to see 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:21.000 the wolf hiding in the hoodie. The Federal Trade Commission 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:24.760 has voted to find Facebook nearly five billion dollars from 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:29.960 mishandling users personal information. One of the key moments was 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:35.880 when Facebook was fined five billion dollars for the data 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:39.760 abuse scandal with Cambridge Analytica. And this was a record fine, 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:43.520 you know, it's the biggest ever by the FTC. And 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:48.760 Facebook share price actually went up on that day because 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:51.720 it was it just wasn't that bad. I mean, five 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:54.680 billion dollars really is nothing to accompany the size and 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:57.280 scale of Facebook. And then the other moment was for 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:02.200 me was when Marks A Keberg he kept on refusing 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.080 to come to Britain to answer questions to our parliament 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:09.400 about what happened in the Brexit referendum. Mark Zuckerberg will 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:12.080 not appear in front of Parliament in the UK after 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:15.159 he declined the invitation from the chair of the Digital, Culture, 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:18.760 Media and Sports Committee, Damien Collins. It's this sort of 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:23.959 extraordinary moment of really thinking about what that kind of 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:26.639 power means in the world. And I think, you know, 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:28.879 I think people in America are just sort of waking 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:31.760 up to a bit of that really starkly in terms 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:34.800 of the next few weeks in the election. Let's talk 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:39.440 about disinformation during the election. How prevalent is it and 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:44.639 how worrisome is it. I think it's incredibly worrisome. The 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:46.320 way to think of it is it is this sort 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:50.000 of toxic pollution. It is a sort of oil slick 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:54.000 almost which is sort of spread through the entire information space. 0:17:54.560 --> 0:18:00.359 Lies and misinformation is spread at speed and scale because 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:05.199 the algorithm favors it. A British news organization did a 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:08.960 series of reports in September which were really interesting around 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:11.880 the topic of voter suppression and which is because they 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:16.440 got hold of the r n c s entire voting 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:20.320 database from two thousand and sixteen and they discovered, you know, 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:24.040 in the voter files people have been marked for deterrents, 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:30.560 and that was voters who were targeted with suppression ads 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:33.439 who they were trying to stop turning out to vote. 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:38.440 And they discovered it was black and minority voters who 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:46.960 were disproportionately targeted for deterrents using Facebook's tools. And you know, 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:53.040 this mass of data, including stolen Facebook data, to to 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:59.760 to target them. And there's something really, really really disturbing 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:04.639 about that. You know, it's the machinery of fascism, the 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:10.639 idea that this American company is being used to touch 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:15.760 to racially profile people and then target them with the 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:21.639 intention of trying to stop them turn out to vote. 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:24.720 I mean, it's just it is the stuff of dystopia. 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:33.120 Facebook is being used to subvert democracy. Coming up, how 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:46.679 Carol is subverting the subverter m H I call the 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:50.560 Union Hall as is male lipendia. I thank these people 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:53.600 are playing and to kill Dr King. On April four, 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:57.400 Dr Martin Luther King was shot and killed in Memphis 0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:01.119 a petty criminal named James Earl Ray was arrested. He 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:03.439 pled guilty to the crime and spent the rest of 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:08.320 his life in prison. Case closed right James Hill Ray 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:13.560 was upon for the official story. The authorities would pray 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:16.359 at all we found a gun the James L. Ray 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:20.639 bought in Birmingham that killed Dr King, Except it wasn't 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:23.600 the gun that killed Dr King. One of the problems 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:27.080 that came out when I got the Ray case was 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:30.760 that some of the evidence, as far as I was concerned, 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:34.919 did not match the circumstances. This is the MLK tapes. 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:38.240 The first episodes are available now. Listen on the I 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:45.600 Heart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:48.720 I'm Hillary Clinton and I'm excited to be back with 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:51.600 a new season of You and Me both. You know, 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:54.479 when we started this podcast, we were going through some 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:57.679 tough times, and let's face it, we still are. But 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:01.679 I am a firm believer we're stronger together, So please 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:05.120 join me for more conversations with people who will make 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:07.919 you think, make you laugh, and help us find a 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:11.040 path forward. Listen to You and Me both on the 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:14.400 I Heart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:27.960 your podcasts. Hey, it's Chuck Wicks from Love Country Talk 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:30.960 to Chuck, where we bring you what's really happening in 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:33.320 the country music family. We also if you love country. 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:35.400 Here's the deal. If you love country music, you can 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:37.800 be on the podcast. So if you're a fan country music, well, 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:39.440 you can call in anytime, like, oh, I want to 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:42.840 talk about this. Haul Cogan called in season one. He's 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:47.399 like Chuck Lobster, I love your podcast. I mean Jason, 0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:51.440 al Dean, Jimmy, Alan, Carley Pierce, Lauren, Lena. So many 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:53.640 huge stars have been on Love Country Talk to Chuck 0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:56.760 season two. It's gonna get even better, gonna have the 0:21:56.800 --> 0:21:59.840 same big, giant, huge stars. But I think it's to 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:02.720 bring some people in the studio right off the street. 0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:06.000 You love country music, fine, come talk to Chuck. That's 0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:07.720 how cool we are. I'm just saying it. I'm saying 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:09.840 it out loud. Listen to new episodes of Love Country 0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:12.479 Talk to Chuck every Monday and Thursday on the Nashville 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:16.360 Podcast Network, available on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:23.080 or wherever you listen to podcasts. For years, Carol Cadwalader 0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:28.080 reported on the waste Facebook funneled racism and unchecked disinformation 0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:32.760 into millions of users feeds, manipulating the world's most powerful 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:37.560 democracy during the two thousand and sixteen presidential election. This 0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:40.120 time around, Carol wasn't about to stand by and watch 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:47.040 Facebook interfere and yet another presidential race. It's an emergency intervention. 0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:53.199 It's borne out of this recognition that there is no 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:55.800 way of holding it to account and that it essentially 0:22:55.800 --> 0:23:00.399 is a dangerous weapon that is um about out to be, 0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:05.600 is already being deployed in an incredibly consequential election. And 0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:09.280 from this realization that there is no way of of 0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:13.200 making Facebook do the right thing. There is no actual 0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:16.720 mechanism or lever to do this, So we had to 0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:19.679 just try and invent our own. She gathered together a 0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:23.879 coalition of academics, legal experts, and civil rights leaders to 0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:28.399 act as a check against Facebook's unbalanced power. The group 0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:33.320 calls itself the Real Facebook Oversight Board. Facebook was terribly 0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:35.560 proud of the fact that it had this idea for 0:23:35.600 --> 0:23:40.040 setting up its so called oversight board, and originally Mark Zuckerberg. 0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:42.480 You know, it was three years ago they started talking 0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:48.040 about it and it still hasn't appeared, So it's it 0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:51.080 may they say it may be up and running before 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:55.000 the election, but even if it is, it doesn't really 0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:57.600 matter because all it is looking at in the initial 0:23:57.680 --> 0:24:00.800 stages is it's a kind of super dream court for 0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:03.480 Facebook is the idea. But all it's going to be 0:24:03.520 --> 0:24:07.240 able to rule on initially is if somebody's had their 0:24:07.280 --> 0:24:12.160 post taken down, they can appeal and the oversight board 0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:14.200 can make a decision on whether it should go back 0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:17.120 up again. And when you think of the sort of 0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:20.840 the number of harms that Facebook is doing and the 0:24:20.920 --> 0:24:24.520 danger it represents, that is like, honestly the least of them. 0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:27.880 The group kick things off on September with a live 0:24:27.960 --> 0:24:32.320 press conference hosted where else on Facebook is this sort 0:24:32.320 --> 0:24:35.280 of a guerilla act of subversion. Basically, it's kind of 0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:40.440 like punk. It's sort of punk theater. This is a 0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:44.240 live press conference. You'll first be hearing from six board members. 0:24:44.359 --> 0:24:49.160 And the amazing thing is that these really brilliant academics 0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:54.000 and civil rights leaders got the idea immediately and sort 0:24:54.040 --> 0:24:56.439 of like jumped at the prospect of it and have 0:24:56.560 --> 0:24:58.720 really thrown themselves into it. With that, I would like 0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:02.400 to introduce Shoshan Zubach, author of the Age of surveillance, 0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:08.479 capitalism and Professor Emerita Harvard Business for Shoshana. Thank you, Kyle. 0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:14.320 Our group has come together for one purpose. We demand 0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:20.760 comprehensive action to ensure that face rock cannot be weaponized 0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:26.120 to undermine the vote and with it American democracy. What 0:25:26.200 --> 0:25:30.080 are you doing with the real Facebook Oversight board? What 0:25:30.200 --> 0:25:33.520 are your goals? So for the first press conference that 0:25:33.600 --> 0:25:36.639 we did, you know, there's there's a lot of people 0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:39.199 on the board with a lot of diverse opinions, but 0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:42.760 we tried to see what consensus there was around a 0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:46.760 couple of kind of minimum asks and we did, actually, 0:25:46.760 --> 0:25:51.040 you reach consensus essentially one of them. Facebook has now 0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:54.919 done so its first task was around anything to de 0:25:55.040 --> 0:25:59.040 legitimize the election during that crucial period between the close 0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:02.400 of poles and tour for a winner is announced. And 0:26:02.440 --> 0:26:05.520 now Facebook has announced that it's not allowing political ads 0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:07.320 to it for what's saying. I think it's for a 0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:10.399 week after the election, but it's made this thing about 0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:14.920 any ads which deligitimize the election, you know, declare victory prematurely. 0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:18.520 It's it's banning those. But the other key demand is 0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:22.560