1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Hi, my name is Lindsay Louis. Cal Hope is here 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: for you with three mental health resources. Go to cal 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: Hope dot org to chat with a live person called 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: their Warmline at one eight three three seven Hope. What 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: girls in the forest? Our imagination and our family bonds. 6 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: The forest is closer than you think. Find a forest 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: near you and discover the fourth dot org brought to 8 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: you by the United States Fourth Service and the AD Council. 9 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: Make sure to check out Drink Champs, your number one 10 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: music podcast on the Black Effect Podcast Network, Hosts n 11 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: O r E and d J E f N sat 12 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: down with artists and icon Yea, which Vulture called one 13 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: most significant interviews. I literally had to go like Danos 14 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: and I don't want to have to be the villain. 15 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: But when I went and did the Donda thing, he 16 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: returned and anybody had to sit back and watch the 17 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: real leader. Check out Drink Champs conversation with Yea and 18 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: many more legendary artists each and every Friday on the 19 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen 20 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: to your favorite shows. When we talk about voter suppression, 21 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 1: we often use the term bad actors individuals that are 22 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: actively trying to suppress voters. Jesse Littlewood is the vice 23 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: president for Campaigns at Common Cause, a nonpartisan democracy organization 24 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: that works to protect voting rights. Bad actors can be foreign. 25 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: That actors can be domestic. Bad actors can be individuals 26 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: or bots pushing information out into the media ecosystem. In 27 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: our viral virtual world, bad actors are lurking behind every screen, 28 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: working to intentionally spread incorrect information across social media and 29 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: other types of media, to create an environment where it 30 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: feels like voting isn't something we all do together, but 31 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: it's some kind of partisan battle field. But never fear, 32 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: because our democracy has its protectors too, including you. You've 33 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,679 Speaker 1: taken the challenge and you've chosen to be a disinformation fighter. 34 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: Put on your capes, Democracy heroes, it's time for your training. 35 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: You are a newly deputized troll buster. The first crime 36 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: fighting superpower that you can tap into is skepticism. The 37 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: first thing is to be skeptical of anything that makes 38 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: extremely explosive claim or takes a singular incident as proof 39 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: of some kind of widespread pattern. Another super strength that 40 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: you have at the ready, good information. Flood your feeds 41 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: with it. Let that audience know how to find the 42 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: trusted source of information Secretaries of State Office of your state, 43 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: or the website can I vote dot org, which goes 44 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: to the National Association Secretaries of State not will work 45 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: people directly to the right information for their state. Finally, 46 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: be aware of the kryptonite that may weaken your powers. 47 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: Don't engage something I often mind very hard to do. 48 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: You have to combat the urge to reply or debunk, 49 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: um or dunk on any kind of wrong content that 50 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: you see online. No matter any response that you put 51 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: to a piece of online social media content, the social 52 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: media algorithms will read that as engagement and try and 53 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: push it in front of other individuals. So even the 54 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: frownie face or the retweet that says this is garbage 55 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: will end up telling the social media algorithm this is 56 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 1: highly engaging content. We should put it on in front 57 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: of other people in their feed. Instead, you should flag 58 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: it within the platform. Facebook and Twitter and many other 59 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: platforms have processes where you can report disinformation when it 60 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: comes to voting in elections. The other thing you can 61 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: do is report it to the disinformation experts at Common Cause. 62 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: You can also join our social media monitoring team become 63 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: part of this growing movement of democracy advocates that are 64 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: using their online personas to fight against disinformation and to 65 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: protect every voter. I'm Katie Currict and this is Turnout 66 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: today on the podcast The Scourge of Disinformation. Well, it's 67 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: not exclusive to the Internet age. We've seen billboards, flyers, 68 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: and unsolicited phone calls. It is thriving online like never before. 69 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: A tweet or a post can be spread to millions 70 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: almost instantaneously, and there's almost no cost to doing it, 71 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: and it gives more opportunity for the bad actors to 72 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: try a bunch of tactics, to throw spaghetti against the 73 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: wall and see what sticks, because there's very little downside 74 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: to them. The platforms in the action that they can 75 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: take against these bad actors are pretty limited. That can 76 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: be difficult for them to wall off their platform from 77 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: a bad actor who wants to come back on the 78 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: platform and be able to I something again. So far 79 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: in our podcast series, we've covered the physical barriers to 80 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: the ballot, like the financial burden of a poll tax, 81 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: the hoops you have to jump through to register to vote, 82 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:16,239 Speaker 1: and the arcane laws that keep formally incarcerated people from voting, 83 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: But when it comes to cyber suppression, Jesse says voters 84 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:27,239 Speaker 1: should be aware of three types of information disorders, disinformation, misinformation, 85 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: and malinformation. Disinformation is something false, even if it sometimes 86 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: contains a little nugget of truth that is deliberately created 87 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: and spread to harm a person, a group, an organization, 88 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: or make trouble when it comes to our elections. So 89 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: disinformation is used for voter suppression when you tell people 90 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: the wrong date uh day, the wrong place, or the 91 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: wrong manner in which they can vote, in order to 92 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: confuse them or cause them to miss their chance to 93 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: cast a ballot. Misinformation is mimilarly false information, but it 94 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: isn't necessarily intended to cause harm. You can think about 95 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,679 Speaker 1: it kind of like accidental disinformation. The rules can actually 96 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: vary pretty significantly state to state, So some of the 97 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: misinformation around voter suppression that we see online has to 98 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: do with people incorrectly assuming a one size fits all 99 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: approach to something like mail and balloting um and instead 100 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: can create confusion and can actually cause people to um 101 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: understand something wrong or to choose not to make use 102 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: of a safe, secure and available option for them to vote. Now, 103 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: the very last type. The third type of information disorder 104 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: is called malinformation, and this is the one that not 105 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: a lot of people necessarily know about. So malinformation is 106 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: sort of defined by true information that's used to cause 107 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: harm of a group. So one example could be leaking 108 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: private information about someone in order to embarrass them or 109 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: helping other people to abuse them. That could be private communications, 110 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: it could be personal information. What Common Cause is doing 111 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: to stop cyber suppression works on two levels. The first, 112 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: as Jesse mentioned earlier, is flooding the Internet with those 113 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: trusted sources of information. The second level is removing as 114 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: many instances of disinformation as possible. We're working with the 115 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: social media companies to make sure they strengthen their terms 116 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: of service, while we're working as well with disinformation experts 117 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: and big data experts to analyze the overall social media 118 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: conversation and flag disinformation and bad actors to the companies themselves. 119 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: And then we've also recruited hundreds of social media monitoring volunteers, 120 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: nonpartisan volunteers that are active on social media, who we've 121 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: given advanced training on how to identify and flag incidences 122 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: of cyber suppression, so we document it, analyze it, and 123 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: then we take action on it. Volunteers are actually extremely 124 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: important because there are some places that the big data 125 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: and social media experts can't see because their private social 126 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: networking locations. So a great example is a private Facebook 127 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: group or next door the neighborhood platform social media platform 128 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: where you have to verify your address and then you're 129 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: placed within a neighborhood and only the people in your 130 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: neighborhood can see your content. So volunteers who are active 131 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: in their communities on social media are the only way 132 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: we're able to monitor and help document and remove disinformation 133 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: as it comes to voting in elections on those platforms. 134 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: Combating cyber suppression also means looking into a crystal ball 135 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: of sorts to stop the lies before they take root 136 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: and spread. By reviewing our database of disinformation, we can 137 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: understand what are some of the most pernicious narratives that 138 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: could impact voters, and we're creating effective responses to that, 139 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: either by pre bunking that with the correct information that 140 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: helps protect people from believing something that's not true, or 141 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: helping people understand what is true and why they may 142 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: have received some disinformation about something that comes to voting. 143 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: One of the challenges of playing whack a mole when 144 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 1: it comes to disinformation is one. How the platforms read 145 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: their own policies can be really different than how the 146 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: voting rights advocates and voters themselves can be affected by it. 147 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: And some of that has to do with geography, right 148 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: Like when we post content on social media, usually we 149 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: don't specify specific geography we're talking about, and the voting 150 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: and elections rules often very state by state, But the 151 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:48,599 Speaker 1: platforms aren't necessarily able or willing to educate their moderators 152 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: and to make clear enough rules to help prevent disinformation. 153 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: That has to do with some of these cases that 154 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: can vary from place to place. That's I don't think 155 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: is an excuse. We're talking about our democracy, the most 156 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: fundamental part of what keeps our country running and gives 157 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: all citizens and all voters the ability of making decisions 158 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: for our country. It's really not an excuse that it's complicated. 159 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: These are super smart, super wealthy, super accomplished individuals that 160 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: run a highly highly successful company. I believe, I truly 161 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: believe that they could figure this out if they applied themselves. 162 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: So how do we hold social media networks accountable? Put 163 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg speak to the flame that's coming up right 164 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: after this. This is Roxanne Gay, host of The Roxanne 165 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: Gay Agenda The Bad Room, in his podcast of Your Dreams. Now, 166 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: what is the Roxanne Gay Agenda, you might ask, Well, 167 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: it's a podcast where I'm going to speak my mind 168 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: about what's on my mind, and that could be anything. 169 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: Every week I will be in conversation with an interesting 170 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: person who has something to say. We're going to talk 171 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: about feminism, race, writing in books, and art, food, pop culture, 172 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: and yes, politics. 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As nine O two one oh, super fan 191 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 1: and radio host Sissany siss In with Jenny and Tory 192 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: two reminisce, reflect and relive each moment, from Brandon and 193 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: Kelly's first kiss to shouting Donna Martin graduates, you have 194 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: an amazing memory. You remember everything about the entire ten 195 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,239 Speaker 1: years that we filmed that show, and you remember absolutely 196 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: nothing of the ten years that we film that show. 197 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: Listen to nine O two one OMG on the I 198 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 199 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: Make sure to check out Drink Champs, your number one 200 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: music podcast. On the Black Effect podcast Network, host n 201 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: O r E and d J E. F N sat 202 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: down with artists and icon Ya, which Vulture called one 203 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:58,719 Speaker 1: of most significant interviews. I literally had to go like 204 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 1: Danos and I don't want to have to be the villain. 205 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: But when I went and did the dawn the thing, 206 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: Yea returned and anybody had to sit back and watch 207 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: the real leader. Check out drink Champ's conversation with Yea 208 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: and many more legendary artists each and every Friday on 209 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or ever you 210 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: listen to your favorite shows. Mr Suckerberg, is Facebook consider 211 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: itself a neutral public forum? Senator? We consider ourselves to 212 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: be a platform for all ideas. In April of two 213 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: thousand eighteen, Mark Zuckerberg appeared before the Senate's Commerce and 214 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: Judiciary Committees to discuss Russian disinformation on Facebook and a 215 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: massive data breach. Let me ask the question again, does 216 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: Facebook consider itself to be a neutral public forum? And 217 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: representatives of your company have given conflicting answers on this? Uh, Senator, 218 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: Here's how we think about this. I don't believe that 219 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: there are certain content that clearly we do not allow. 220 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: That data breach happened four years before Zuckerberg was in 221 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: the hot seat. Facebook rolled out a new tool today 222 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: that will start notifying users if you are among the 223 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: eight seven million people whose personal data may have been 224 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: harvested by political consulting firm Cambridge Analytica. In two thousand fourteen, 225 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: a British voter profiling company called Cambridge Analytica Cambridge An 226 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: Cambridge Analytica, Cambridge Analytica, a company called Cambridge Analytica harvested 227 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: private information from the Facebook profiles of more than fifty 228 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: million users without their permission. That private information was primarily 229 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: used for political advertising and the two thousand sixteen presidential election, 230 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: and it was one of the largest leaks in Facebook's history. 231 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: That massive story, which was a two thousand nineteen Pulitzer 232 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: Prize finalists Hi Carol, but just the Right Time then 233 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: was exposed by British investigative journalists Carol Cadwalader. It's not 234 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: just a company which has all this power, It's an 235 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: empire which is ruled by the boy king, Mark Zuckerberg. 236 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: I invited Carol to come onto the podcast to find 237 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: out how much this ubiquitous social media platform is destroying 238 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: our democracy and what, if anything, we can all do 239 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: about it. The thing I find most terrifying about Facebook 240 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: is this realization that there is just simply no body 241 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: on Earth that can hold this company to account. It 242 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: really is bigger than governments and law enforcement agencies and regulators. 243 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: Decisions are made by personalities. There are no checks and 244 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: balances at all on that power, and in that way 245 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: it is the nearest comparison is to North Korea. Facebook's 246 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: family of apps, including Instagram and What's App, has more 247 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: than two point nine billion global users every month, which 248 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: is nearly two fifths of the world's population. But the 249 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: danger of that kind of power is that it's not obvious. 250 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: In fact, for Carol, it took those years of reporting 251 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: and a few key moments to be able to see 252 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: the wolf hiding in the hoodie. The Federal Trade Commission 253 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: has voted to find Facebook nearly five billion dollars from 254 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: mishandling users personal information. One of the key moments was 255 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: when Facebook was fined five billion dollars for the data 256 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: abuse scandal with Cambridge Analytica. And this was a record fine, 257 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's the biggest ever by the FTC. And 258 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: Facebook share price actually went up on that day because 259 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: it was it just wasn't that bad. I mean, five 260 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: billion dollars really is nothing to accompany the size and 261 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: scale of Facebook. And then the other moment was for 262 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: me was when Marks A Keberg he kept on refusing 263 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: to come to Britain to answer questions to our parliament 264 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: about what happened in the Brexit referendum. Mark Zuckerberg will 265 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: not appear in front of Parliament in the UK after 266 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: he declined the invitation from the chair of the Digital, Culture, 267 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: Media and Sports Committee, Damien Collins. It's this sort of 268 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:23,959 Speaker 1: extraordinary moment of really thinking about what that kind of 269 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: power means in the world. And I think, you know, 270 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: I think people in America are just sort of waking 271 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: up to a bit of that really starkly in terms 272 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: of the next few weeks in the election. Let's talk 273 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: about disinformation during the election. How prevalent is it and 274 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: how worrisome is it. I think it's incredibly worrisome. The 275 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: way to think of it is it is this sort 276 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: of toxic pollution. It is a sort of oil slick 277 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: almost which is sort of spread through the entire information space. 278 00:17:54,560 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: Lies and misinformation is spread at speed and scale because 279 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 1: the algorithm favors it. A British news organization did a 280 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: series of reports in September which were really interesting around 281 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 1: the topic of voter suppression and which is because they 282 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: got hold of the r n c s entire voting 283 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: database from two thousand and sixteen and they discovered, you know, 284 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: in the voter files people have been marked for deterrents, 285 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: and that was voters who were targeted with suppression ads 286 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 1: who they were trying to stop turning out to vote. 287 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: And they discovered it was black and minority voters who 288 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: were disproportionately targeted for deterrents using Facebook's tools. And you know, 289 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: this mass of data, including stolen Facebook data, to to 290 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: to target them. And there's something really, really really disturbing 291 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: about that. You know, it's the machinery of fascism, the 292 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: idea that this American company is being used to touch 293 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: to racially profile people and then target them with the 294 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: intention of trying to stop them turn out to vote. 295 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it is the stuff of dystopia. 296 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 1: Facebook is being used to subvert democracy. Coming up, how 297 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 1: Carol is subverting the subverter m H I call the 298 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: Union Hall as is male lipendia. I thank these people 299 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: are playing and to kill Dr King. On April four, 300 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: Dr Martin Luther King was shot and killed in Memphis 301 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: a petty criminal named James Earl Ray was arrested. He 302 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 1: pled guilty to the crime and spent the rest of 303 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: his life in prison. Case closed right James Hill Ray 304 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: was upon for the official story. The authorities would pray 305 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: at all we found a gun the James L. Ray 306 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: bought in Birmingham that killed Dr King, Except it wasn't 307 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: the gun that killed Dr King. One of the problems 308 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: that came out when I got the Ray case was 309 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: that some of the evidence, as far as I was concerned, 310 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 1: did not match the circumstances. This is the MLK tapes. 311 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: The first episodes are available now. Listen on the I 312 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: Heart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, 313 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: I'm Hillary Clinton and I'm excited to be back with 314 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: a new season of You and Me both. You know, 315 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,479 Speaker 1: when we started this podcast, we were going through some 316 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 1: tough times, and let's face it, we still are. But 317 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: I am a firm believer we're stronger together, So please 318 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 1: join me for more conversations with people who will make 319 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 1: you think, make you laugh, and help us find a 320 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: path forward. Listen to You and Me both on the 321 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 1: I Heart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get 322 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: your podcasts. Hey, it's Chuck Wicks from Love Country Talk 323 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: to Chuck, where we bring you what's really happening in 324 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: the country music family. We also if you love country. 325 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 1: Here's the deal. If you love country music, you can 326 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: be on the podcast. So if you're a fan country music, well, 327 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: you can call in anytime, like, oh, I want to 328 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: talk about this. Haul Cogan called in season one. He's 329 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 1: like Chuck Lobster, I love your podcast. I mean Jason, 330 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: al Dean, Jimmy, Alan, Carley Pierce, Lauren, Lena. So many 331 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 1: huge stars have been on Love Country Talk to Chuck 332 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: season two. It's gonna get even better, gonna have the 333 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: same big, giant, huge stars. But I think it's to 334 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: bring some people in the studio right off the street. 335 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: You love country music, fine, come talk to Chuck. That's 336 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: how cool we are. I'm just saying it. I'm saying 337 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: it out loud. Listen to new episodes of Love Country 338 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,479 Speaker 1: Talk to Chuck every Monday and Thursday on the Nashville 339 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 1: Podcast Network, available on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, 340 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to podcasts. For years, Carol Cadwalader 341 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: reported on the waste Facebook funneled racism and unchecked disinformation 342 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: into millions of users feeds, manipulating the world's most powerful 343 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: democracy during the two thousand and sixteen presidential election. This 344 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 1: time around, Carol wasn't about to stand by and watch 345 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: Facebook interfere and yet another presidential race. It's an emergency intervention. 346 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 1: It's borne out of this recognition that there is no 347 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: way of holding it to account and that it essentially 348 00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: is a dangerous weapon that is um about out to be, 349 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: is already being deployed in an incredibly consequential election. And 350 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: from this realization that there is no way of of 351 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: making Facebook do the right thing. There is no actual 352 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: mechanism or lever to do this, So we had to 353 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: just try and invent our own. She gathered together a 354 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: coalition of academics, legal experts, and civil rights leaders to 355 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: act as a check against Facebook's unbalanced power. The group 356 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: calls itself the Real Facebook Oversight Board. Facebook was terribly 357 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: proud of the fact that it had this idea for 358 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: setting up its so called oversight board, and originally Mark Zuckerberg. 359 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: You know, it was three years ago they started talking 360 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: about it and it still hasn't appeared, So it's it 361 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: may they say it may be up and running before 362 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: the election, but even if it is, it doesn't really 363 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: matter because all it is looking at in the initial 364 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: stages is it's a kind of super dream court for 365 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: Facebook is the idea. But all it's going to be 366 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: able to rule on initially is if somebody's had their 367 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: post taken down, they can appeal and the oversight board 368 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: can make a decision on whether it should go back 369 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: up again. And when you think of the sort of 370 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: the number of harms that Facebook is doing and the 371 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: danger it represents, that is like, honestly the least of them. 372 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: The group kick things off on September with a live 373 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: press conference hosted where else on Facebook is this sort 374 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: of a guerilla act of subversion. Basically, it's kind of 375 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: like punk. It's sort of punk theater. This is a 376 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: live press conference. You'll first be hearing from six board members. 377 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: And the amazing thing is that these really brilliant academics 378 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: and civil rights leaders got the idea immediately and sort 379 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: of like jumped at the prospect of it and have 380 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: really thrown themselves into it. With that, I would like 381 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: to introduce Shoshan Zubach, author of the Age of surveillance, 382 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:08,479 Speaker 1: capitalism and Professor Emerita Harvard Business for Shoshana. Thank you, Kyle. 383 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: Our group has come together for one purpose. We demand 384 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: comprehensive action to ensure that face rock cannot be weaponized 385 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 1: to undermine the vote and with it American democracy. What 386 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: are you doing with the real Facebook Oversight board? What 387 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: are your goals? So for the first press conference that 388 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 1: we did, you know, there's there's a lot of people 389 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 1: on the board with a lot of diverse opinions, but 390 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: we tried to see what consensus there was around a 391 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: couple of kind of minimum asks and we did, actually, 392 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: you reach consensus essentially one of them. Facebook has now 393 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 1: done so its first task was around anything to de 394 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: legitimize the election during that crucial period between the close 395 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 1: of poles and tour for a winner is announced. And 396 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: now Facebook has announced that it's not allowing political ads 397 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: to it for what's saying. I think it's for a 398 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: week after the election, but it's made this thing about 399 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: any ads which deligitimize the election, you know, declare victory prematurely. 400 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: It's it's banning those. But the other key demand is 401 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: around organic content, which is so because that is we 402 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 1: know it's going to be like the real problem during 403 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: that period. So we are asking for a anything which 404 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: is calling victory premature, lee, casting doubt about the validity 405 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: of the election, misreporting, voter fraud, etcetera. That we're saying 406 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: that those should be clearly labeled, and any other key 407 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: demand is just that there are just asking for Facebook 408 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: to enforce its own policies. So Facebook has policies around 409 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: incitement to violence, for example, it just doesn't enforce them. 410 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: And one of the people it doesn't enforce that policy 411 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: on is the President of the United States. It's an 412 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: awesome idea, but realistically, Carol, I mean, is it? Is 413 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: it somewhat impotent? I mean, what can this real oversight 414 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: board do? Yes, I mean that is the point there. 415 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: It is impotent because we are all impotent because we 416 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: don't have the power. Facebook has the power, and there is, 417 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: as I say, nothing on earth that can change that. However, 418 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: the only thing that Facebook ever, ever, ever, ever, ever 419 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: responds to is public pressure. It is pressure from the 420 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: American press and the American people. So, um, the only 421 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: thing we can do is create a noise and to 422 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: try and amplify the voices of people who need to 423 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: be heard from, and you know what, to be honest 424 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: with you, one of my thoughts about it was if 425 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,919 Speaker 1: the worst does happen and terror all things do happen, 426 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: and Facebook doesn't take the steps to prevent them, and 427 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: it deliberately enables the inciting of violence, etcetera, etcetera, there 428 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: is going to be a framework in place of people 429 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: who are able to mobilize and to be a counter 430 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: voice to Facebook, because you know, it has all of 431 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: the money and all of the lobbyists and all of 432 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: the spokespeople and all of the PR firms and all 433 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: of the contact, so it gets its message out very 434 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: powerfully across the media. And parts of this is about 435 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: is sort of an organized response to have these other 436 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: voices who can explain the harms and why it is 437 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: so important that action is taken that and that their 438 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: voices are heard in the media. So it's you know, 439 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: it's a fool's errand I'm sure, but at the same time, 440 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: it just felt that because we could try, we had 441 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: to try. One of the things we all have to 442 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: do is unders and that we absolutely have a role 443 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: to play in this. Not just a journalist, I'm a 444 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: citizen and It's like, we do have to really understand 445 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: that we have to step up if we don't want 446 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: to see our countries sort of descend into authoritarian chaos. 447 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: Then it really is as up for us as individuals 448 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: to um to realize that the only way that any 449 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: of this is going to stop, the only way we're 450 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: going to help hold these companies to account is you know, 451 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: it's got to come from us as individuals. We've got 452 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: to find ways to work together. And there is power, 453 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: you know, which can come from a united band of 454 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: people who are do stand up to power. I mean, 455 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: that's been so that story has been so powerfully told 456 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: with Black Lives Matter, and I think that hopefully a 457 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: lot more people realize that actually you do need to 458 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: sort of stand up and be counted and to be 459 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: trying in whatever way you can to hold the line truths, facts, 460 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: evidence based reporting, rule of law institutions. These things are 461 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 1: so important and we have to realize their value and 462 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: defend them in whatever means possible. Really, Facebook has made 463 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: some attempts to monitor the content on its platform. Recently, 464 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: the company announced it would be in anything that denies 465 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: or distorts the Holocaust, as well as Q and on 466 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: an organization that promotes and perpetuates outrageous conspiracy theories. They 467 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: are now making some decisions on you know, like the 468 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: Q and on stuff, although there is you know that 469 00:30:51,240 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: doesn't go far enough. I'm optimistic that the challenges that 470 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: our democracy face today can be overcome because we've overcome 471 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: harder challenges in the past. For Jesse Littlewood, Hope Springs Eternal, 472 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: we are faced with a whole suite of challenges to 473 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: voters and to the belief in the integrity of our democracy. 474 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: But we've confronted even tougher problems in the past, and 475 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: while not perfect, our democracy was improved and expanded through 476 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: those other challenges. So I think we have a resilient 477 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: system and a pretty resilient population. It's a path that 478 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: is a hard one, and we are currently headed in 479 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: the wrong direction when it comes to rebuilding trust and 480 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: civic participation. But if you talk to young people today 481 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: who are civically engaged, they're involved in the fight for 482 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: to stop climate change no I know, or they're involved 483 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: in advocacy around gun control or the way that we 484 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: should be approaching those subjects. Everyday shooting alright, everyday, prob 485 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: my name is R. Bobs, and I'm here what the 486 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: brave there involves across the board on a whole different 487 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: set of civic issues. So there's an opportunity to rebuild 488 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: a sense of civic engagement, and voting is one of 489 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: those ways. I think it's a problem when people in 490 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: the voting community say that that's the only way you 491 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: should get involved. It certainly is an important one, but 492 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: it's not the only thing that is going to help 493 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: get us out of it. Participation is the secret. I 494 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: don't believe we're going to be able to litigate, lobby 495 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: or legislate our way out of a diminished civic society. 496 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: It's going to take active participation on behalf of individuals 497 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: to be able to improve the condition of our democracy. 498 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: Next week on turnout, we're the moral compass of the country. 499 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: Why kids these days maybe the real democracy heroes. There's 500 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: a visionary power that young people hold and that is 501 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: something that we need to continue to follow. Young people, 502 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: not a certain generation, are the moral compass of the country. Hey, listeners, 503 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: before we wrap up, I want to share some of 504 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: those websites again. If you want to report the disinformation 505 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: you see on the internet, go to common Cause dot 506 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: org slash disinfo. To keep up with a real Facebook 507 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: oversight board, visit Real Facebook Oversight dot org. And for 508 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: all you need to know about how and where to 509 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: vote in your state, go to vote dot org. And finally, 510 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,959 Speaker 1: for the latest election coverage, make sure to sign up 511 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: for my morning newsletter wake Up Call. Just go to 512 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: Katie Currek dot com for that. Turnout is a production 513 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: of I Heart Media and Katie currec Media. The executive 514 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: producers are Katie Curic and Courtney Litts. Supervising producers Lauren Hansen. 515 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: Associate users Derek Clements, Eliza Coostus, and Emilyn Pento. Editing 516 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: by Derrek Clements and Lauren Hansen, Mixing by Derrick Clements. 517 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: Our researcher is Gabriel Loser and special thanks to my 518 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: right hand woman Adriana Fasio. You can follow me in 519 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: all my election coverage at Katie Courrect So until next week, 520 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: I'm Katie correct. This is Turnout. 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