1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome man, it is a Friday edition 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 1: of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, and you 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: need to buckle up because it's going to be a 5 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: wild ride today. As many of you, all of you, 6 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: I probably should say no. Yesterday afternoon evening, Donald Trump 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: officially indicted by New York City District Attorney Alvin Bragg. 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: We have not yet seen exactly what the charges are, 9 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: but every report is that it's somehow related to the 10 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: Stormy Daniels hundred and thirty thousand, maybe also the one 11 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand dollars that went to Karen McDougal, 12 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: two different stories. You heard us talking about some of 13 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: the particulars of those yesterday, and we will certainly be 14 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: talking about them a great deal today. Giving you a 15 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: little bit of a heads up. Andy McCarthy, who I 16 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: think is probably the best legal analyst in all of 17 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: the country. The only thing I have against him as 18 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: he's a Jets and a Mets fan, which is an 19 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,199 Speaker 1: awful combo. He is going to be on with us 20 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: a little bit after one o'clock Eastern, so about an 21 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: hour from now, and I bet I'm just gonna put 22 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: a pin in this. I bet that will be the 23 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: most intelligent discussion you will hear about the legal aspects 24 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: surrounding these charges and what we know right now. Again, 25 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: that is in one hour we will talk with him. Also, 26 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: this was scheduled in advance. I think this will be 27 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: a really interesting conversation for all of you to be 28 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: able to enjoy as we go into the weekend, to 29 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: put everything in kind of perspective. At two thirty Eastern, 30 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: that's eleven thirty on the West Coast, Benjamin Hall, who 31 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: was horribly injured in Ukraine, Fox News reporter, he will 32 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: join us. He has got a book out and he 33 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: will be just talking about his recovery from those injuries 34 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: that he suffered in that attack in Ukraine. So that 35 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: is the roadmap of where we are going. But this 36 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: is no great surprise buying large. The entire show is 37 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: going to be about the Trump indictment. It's impact all 38 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: of the legacy aspects of this as well. It's also Friday, 39 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two. And 40 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: what I would encourage callers is we don't want your 41 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: opinion necessarily right now, Intelligent questions, intelligent thoughts, further the conversation. 42 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: If you want to call in and discuss this incident, 43 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: this indictment with both Buck and myself, that's what we're 44 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: looking for, not just hey, you know, let's waive the 45 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: Trump flag. Hey, this is a big, big deal in 46 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: terms of the twenty four primary season. We will talk 47 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: about all of that, but I'm interested in your smart, 48 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: reasoned takes that can further our conversation into a more 49 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: intelligent fashion. Because Buck, to me, this is I'm putting 50 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: my history nerd cap on here. You and I are 51 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: both history nerds. This is an unpressed and ended act 52 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: in the two hundred and forty year history of the 53 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: United States of America. Never before has there ever been 54 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: a president or former president who has faced charges, certainly 55 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: not being brought by an elected Democrat district attorney in 56 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: a state that is rife with political opposition. So my 57 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: biggest takeaway here, regardless of what happens with Trump, is 58 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: this is a cross the Rubicon moment where it used 59 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: to be unheard of that a president, or a presidential 60 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: candidate or a former president would ever face charges, particularly 61 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: those rooted clearly in political animus. Now I'm unfortunately of 62 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: the opinion that it is going to become standard. And 63 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: you want to talk about actual threats to democracy. This 64 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: is what democrats have been screaming since Trump came down 65 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: the escalator in the Trump Tower, that he is an 66 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: unparalleled threat to our democracy. Democrats, with the raid on 67 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: Mara Lago and now with the charges being brought against Trump, 68 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: have broken two hundred and forty years of political tradition, 69 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: and they have engaged in behavior that, in my opinion, 70 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: is a direct attack upon the foundations of our democracy. 71 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: Whatever you might think about Donald Trump himself, the purpose 72 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: of this, I think Clay is And you know, I 73 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: was trying to just sort of relax yesterday on the 74 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: couch the wife text message start flooding in. You know. 75 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: You know you have that too in our business when 76 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: you're when it's you know, after sort of standard working 77 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: hours and you get fifteen text messages in a row 78 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: for different people. And I remember thinking, I was like, 79 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: oh God, it's a Trump and Diamond, isn't it. But 80 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: year only when you get your phone blows up like that. 81 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: I think one of two things. Either something crazy has 82 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: happened in the news, or my wife is mad at 83 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: me because of something one of the kids have done. 84 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: There's no for me that that's one of the only 85 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: two things that could be. So the precedent is the 86 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: point here, and I think that's really important for everyone understand. 87 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: My first thought with this is we are now all 88 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: in the Trump bunker, because everybody on the right understands. 89 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 1: And I know a lot of people were before, but 90 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: I'm saying now everybody on the right is in the 91 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 1: Trump bunker. Ronda Santis put out a statement right away, 92 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: by the way, saying that he would not participate in 93 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: the extradition of Donald Trump from Florida because of the 94 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: obvious politicization here. I think that's noteworthy. Ron's a guy 95 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: who knows the law obviously very well, and he recognizes 96 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: on illegal and also on ethical grounds, on moral grounds, 97 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: standing with Trump in this moment for our country is 98 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: the right thing to do. The setting of the precedent here, 99 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: I would argue, Clay is likely, and this this is 100 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: Annie McCarthy was the first person that I think said 101 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: this publicly, so all credit him, and I know he's 102 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: coming on the show later, but it's likely the breaking 103 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: of the damn moment. It's gonna be a lot of 104 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: metaphors everybody, a lot of metaphors, maybe cliches, even when 105 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: something like this happens. But it is a breaking of 106 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: the dam I think because there is the Georgia indictment 107 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: about I forgot the specific charge. There could be a 108 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: bunch of different charges, but it's essentially inducement to commit 109 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: election fraud something along those lines, almost like conspiracy to 110 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: commit election fraud. The specific Georgia's statutory language maybe a 111 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: little bit different. There's also the Marolago documents thing. By 112 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: the way, I don't see that because of the Biden issue, right, 113 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: they have to They're not trying to keep the veneer 114 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: of legality going for our side. We already know that 115 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 1: this is a political attack, but their own side, there 116 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: are Democrats who want to believe that this is legitimate 117 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: at some level. So that's the only thing I think 118 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: that holds them back. They want to be able to 119 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: tell their democrats, see, we're upholding the rule of law, 120 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: and in their simplistic fashion, they'll believe them. So I 121 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: think this is the beginning of other indictments, and it 122 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: could even include and this is the one that I 123 00:06:55,839 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: think is the one they really want is a seditious 124 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: insurrection effectively, or the conspiracy to commit insurrection or fraud 125 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: against the United States. That would be the federal charge 126 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: that Merrick Garland would have to go with. Eventually, maybe 127 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: we don't get there, maybe we don't go there. This 128 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: also allows them to see how the escalation plays out, right, 129 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: This allows them with a much more minor charge. Let's 130 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: see how far they get with this. Let's see what 131 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: the reaction from the right is. I do think, and 132 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: maybe I'm too much of an optimist Clay, although I 133 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: don't think people usually would accuse me of that. I 134 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: think that they will be surprised by how united around 135 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: Trump the right has become on this issue. We had 136 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: a bit of this with the Marlago raid, where everybody 137 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: I was thinking back to that last night, a very 138 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: similar feel to what happened yesterday. But I think that 139 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: they're going to see a unified right. I think it's 140 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: also very likely pushed Donald Trump to an unassailable position 141 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: in the Republican primer. I wouldn't say it's over and 142 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: done with, but I would say it has certainly been 143 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: a boost for him in that direction. And this is 144 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: about a lot more than a frivolous indictment based on 145 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: a payoff to an individual for a nuisance lawsuit or whatever. 146 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: This is about the ability of the apparatus of the 147 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: Democrats of the left to target individuals for political purposes 148 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: brazenly and openly and use the law as a weapon 149 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: to do it. Buck, here's another angle. And I think 150 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: everything you said is right. The bidendj and the Biden 151 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: White House, I keep waiting for this to happen. I 152 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: don't believe they've issued any statement yet. They're going to 153 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: be able to say this isn't us. Remember the Shaggy defense, 154 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: It wasn't me back in the day, the popular popular 155 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: song gets caught cheating, just says it wasn't me. The 156 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: Department of Justice and the Biden administration can say it's 157 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: not us. That's the New York City Prosecutor, Alvin Bragg. 158 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 1: He's not a federal agent. If the charges are brought 159 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: in the state of Georgia, they can say this is 160 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: not us. This is an investigation in the state of Georgia. 161 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: It actually lets Merrit Garland off the hook, and it 162 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: even allows Biden potentially to play statesman by saying, these 163 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: are not federal charges that by and large are being 164 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: brought by my Department of Justice. I don't think it's 165 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: appropriate that I should be involved in any way in 166 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: going after a chief political opponent. But I'm not in 167 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: charge of the decisions that individual prosecutors make in their 168 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: particular jurisdictions. And that is to me, as I was 169 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: sitting back and thinking about this, that is the tiny 170 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: little thread that allows Biden to get all of the 171 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: benefits of charges being filed against Trump while being able 172 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: to hold his hands and palms to the sky and 173 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: say it wasn't me. I didn't do this. This is 174 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: the United States justice system, individual jurisdictions going after Trump. 175 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: We're not involved at all. And that's where I think 176 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,599 Speaker 1: we probably end up. I think charges are going to 177 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: be brought in George as well, and then you'll have 178 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: a two fronted go war. And I still think because 179 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: of the Biden classified documents of fiasco that Merritt Garland 180 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: ultimately will will come out and say I'm not going 181 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: to be able to get involved in bringing charges against Trump. 182 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: I've decided against it. I'm gonna wag my finger on 183 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: the docks and think about you think about January sixth 184 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: as well. I think I think even on January sixth, Yes, 185 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 1: because now they're getting the benefit of Trump being charged. Look, 186 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: the mug shot, the purp walk, the fingerprinting, all of 187 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: that is what they really want. And here's here's my 188 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: big picture thought. Aside from the historical awfulness of this buck, 189 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: they want Trump. They want Trump in the ring against 190 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: Biden because they believe, and it may be a misguided opinion, 191 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: that the only person Joe Biden can beat is Donald Trump. 192 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: So this helps them, I believe, get Trump in that 193 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: boxing ring with them for the rematch of twenty twenty. 194 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: Let's be very honest with each other here, everybody about 195 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: First of all, you know what the mess that has 196 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: been sent by this is, which is you, meaning everyone listening, 197 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 1: better stay in line and obey and shut your mouth 198 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: and do what the left wants, or else you challenge 199 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: the system, they'll come after you. That's the message. Now, 200 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: They're not going to come after everybody, but they don't 201 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: have to. As the point, they will. They have the 202 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: ability to come after absolutely everyone. And I think it's 203 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: important to remember that the Russia collusion hoax, which we 204 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: all sit around now and say, Wow, that was crazy. 205 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: That was so it was insane, it was wrong. It's 206 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: really evil too to put the country through that. Democrats 207 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: view it as success, and you really have to let 208 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: that sink in from him. With the Democrats view Russia 209 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: collusion as at least a partial success, it meant that 210 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: Trump spent how much of his time, how much of 211 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: his energy, and his staffers, and his White House and 212 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: his press allies and people in the media who supported them, 213 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: people like you and me. How much time did we 214 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: have to spend end playing defense against a fantasy. Ye, 215 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: now we're going to be playing defense against Yes, grotesque 216 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: abuse of the law, politicized indictments. But for them it's 217 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 1: all upside, just like how our initial assessment of brag 218 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: was there's nothing but upside for him to bring the charges. 219 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: Apparently they had two grand juries going by the way, 220 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: which is what threw us when they said the one 221 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: was being delayed for a month. Right, there were multiple 222 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 1: was intentional leak though, because they're trying to I mean, 223 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: I think they played the media like a fiddle there 224 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: because they were able to make people think, oh, like 225 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: even the Trump people at Marlago were like, oh, let's 226 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: let's pause a little bit, like this is not necessarily 227 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: it was to make look it was it was tactics. 228 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: You're one hundred percent right, and we can't. You know, 229 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: I'm not in that grand jurm. You're not in that 230 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: grand jurm. So we can only go based off of 231 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: what the reporting is. But the message is very clear. 232 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: We all understand. This is a moment where we're calling 233 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: in the cavalry on the right. Everyone's coming together and saying, 234 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: hold on a second, there's something deeply ethically morally wrong. 235 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: This is doing violence to the Constitution. I know people say, oh, 236 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: it's just a state charge, and it's not that big 237 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: a deal. No, it is a huge deal. It's a 238 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: cons presidential candidate. It's a huge deal, and we all 239 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: know that. But we also have to understand what do 240 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: they really want. Yes, they want Donald Trump and handcuffs, 241 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: Yes they want the perp walk, but also they want 242 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: to win. Ye. So if we want justice, it's not 243 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: just Trump beating this meaning the charge. It's a Republican, 244 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: it's Donald Trump, it's somebody for our side in the 245 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 1: White House in twenty twenty four. We have to keep 246 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 1: our eye on the prize, no doubt. I want to 247 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: talk more about the state aspect of these charges and 248 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: what it might mean as a precedent going forward, because 249 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: I think that's hugely significant. We'll talk about that and 250 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: more coming up. Obviously, we're breaking down every possible angle 251 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: associated with Donald Trump officially being indicted. In the meantime, 252 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 1: most colleges carry a claim to fame, something that distinguishes 253 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: them as unique. Hillsdale College's place in history is known 254 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: to many as place to explain and defend our nation's freedoms. 255 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: They've been doing that in a variety of ways since 256 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: eighteen forty four, that's nearly one hundred and eighty years. 257 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 1: But they're also known for the way in which they 258 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: attend to their primary responsibility as educators, providing the best 259 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: classical liberal arts education in America. Bold statement, but a 260 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: true one too. When their students graduate, they've studied the 261 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: great books, the history of Western civilization in America and 262 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: the meaning and history of the Constitution. Maybe the only 263 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: four year college out there that requires students take one 264 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: or more full semester courses studying our constitution. Hillsdale was 265 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: founded to offer the kind of education needed to preserve 266 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: civil and religious liberty. You know our nation's history, Think 267 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: back to your history classes where America was in the 268 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: early eighteen hundreds. Hillsdale accomplishes all of this while refusing 269 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: to accept a single penny of taxpayer funding. They choose 270 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: not to be beholden to any government mandate. Learn more 271 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: about Hillsdale at Clay and Buck four Hillsdale dot com. 272 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: That's Clay and Buck fo Dale dot com. Clay, Travis 273 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton Voices of sanity an insane world. If 274 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: you wanted a prescient vision of the future from our past, 275 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: you couldn't do any better than the one and only 276 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: rushed Limball. This was back on January eighth of twenty 277 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: twenty one, on the issue of a Trump indictment. We 278 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: wanted to bring in Rush's voice here play it. I 279 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: know they desperately want Trump gone, and I know that 280 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: they desperately want it codified that Trump cannot run again, because, 281 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: make no mistake, they remained scared to death of you, 282 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: and they remained scared to death of Trump. Trump seventy 283 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: five million, eighty million votes, and I'm going to tell 284 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: you You're not going anywhere even if Trump does, you're not. 285 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: They can't separate you from the ideas, they can't separate 286 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: you from MAGA, they can't separate you from make America 287 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: Great Again, which I think remains one of our big 288 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: campaign strength going forward. They believe that they can destroy 289 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: this bond that exist between you and Trump if they 290 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: somehow make Trump look bad, make Trump look like a reprobate, 291 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: embarrass you about Trump. They can't do it because you 292 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: came before Trump. Clay. I think what's so critical and 293 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: Rush saw this was that it's not enough even for 294 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: Trump to not be in office. For the Democrats, they 295 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: have to destroy the movement. And the movement is among 296 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: Trump supporters. The movement is among people who believe in 297 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: him and what he stood for for four years and 298 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: wishes to stand for again. And I think that and 299 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: I think I saw this more than anything else, is 300 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: pushing what's going on right now with this indictment. Yeah, 301 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: and when we come back, and I think that was 302 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: well said. When we come back, I want to talk 303 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: about the precedent more because all over America there are 304 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: elected Democrat prosecutors that we've been focused on because they 305 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 1: aren't keeping their cities safe. You've seen crime waves surge 306 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: up like never before in the twenty first century. And 307 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: all of these Democrat prosecutors now are looking at Alvin 308 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,959 Speaker 1: Bragg and they're jealous of the attention that he got, 309 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: of the big fish that he has reeled in. Why 310 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: would they not do the same thing to try to 311 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 1: charge anyone they could with any crime in an effort 312 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: to elevate their own political profile. I think this is 313 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: going to be one of the big lessons that everybody 314 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: needs to take note of, because it's not going to 315 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: stop with Alvin Bragg and Trump. We're just beginning a 316 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: new era in American polity. I want to make an 317 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: argument play as part of that discussion, meris back about 318 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: how this has been building actually for a decade, much 319 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: longer even than Trump has been in office. 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But I also think it's important to 342 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: recognize how we got here, and that is, to a 343 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 1: large extent, how do we get to this place in 344 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: the twenty first century where crime is running rampant where 345 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: the idea of putting people behind bars is even considered racist, 346 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: It's because George Soros recognized a unique lynchpin in American 347 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: politics that could be manipulated with a relatively small amount 348 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: of money. Let me explain, Buck, you or I. Let's 349 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 1: say that we were one hundred millionaires. Let's say we 350 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: were billionaires. Let's make a super ri if we wanted 351 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: to get really behind a political candidate, we can donate 352 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: tens of millions of dollars to a political candidate of 353 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: our choice. The likelihood is our tens of millions of 354 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 1: dollars might matter, but it's going to be opposed by 355 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 1: tens of millions of dollars from other rich people. Right, So, 356 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: whoever you're supporting in the twenty twenty four let's say 357 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 1: it's Trump versus Biden. And let's say Buck and Eye 358 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 1: are billionaires, and we give one hundred million dollars to 359 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. There are other billionaires lined up on the 360 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: other side that will give one hundred million dollars to 361 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 1: Joe Biden, and effectively, our money will go head to 362 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: head and much of it will end up canceled out 363 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: because both sides are spending a massive amount of money. 364 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: George Soros recognize that almost no money is being spent 365 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: in district attorney races all over the country, and that 366 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: if you put five hundred, two hundred and fifty thousand 367 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 1: dollars a million into a race there, you can essentially 368 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: pick the prosecutor that you want in charge of implementing 369 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: justice in many of the largest city he's in America. 370 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: And that is how we got the Alvin Braggs of 371 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: the world. And what now is I believe so George 372 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 1: Soros recognized a weakness in the American political system. He 373 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: recognized that he didn't even have to spend very much 374 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: money buck to exploit that weakness and fundamentally alter the 375 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: trajectory of life for many of you all over this 376 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: country just by nature of picking who the prosecutor in 377 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: charge of many of these big cities was. And it's 378 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,719 Speaker 1: not just New York City which is currently charging Trump. 379 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: I believe a lot of these same prosecutors, which remember 380 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: are elected, these are by their nature political jobs. I 381 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: think they're going to look at what's going on with 382 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and they're going to say that is the 383 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: roadmap for me going forward. And so this decision is 384 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: going to echo for the next ten, fifteen, twenty years 385 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 1: into the future. And no matter who you are. Let's 386 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: say I was running for political office in Tennessee. Buck 387 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: Tennessee is a deeper red state. Governor. Probably not going 388 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: to come after me. Thinks I'm making good decisions. Senators. 389 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: Probably not going to come after me. But you know 390 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: that the city of Nashville and the city of Memphis 391 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: have deep blue prosecutors. If they wanted to try to 392 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 1: find something to charge me with, Buck, even in a 393 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: red state like Tennessee, they could do it. It's going 394 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: to happen to every Conservative, to every Republican in the country. 395 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: They're going to be lower level prosecutors now coming after them. 396 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: So I would argue this has been going on at 397 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: some level for a long time, or this has been building. 398 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: This is obviously is the would the French word be 399 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: de newmat. I have to make sure I'm using that 400 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: one correct. It's the culmination at a minimum of culmination. Yeah, 401 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: by the way, de neumat I was correct, the final 402 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: part of a play or movie. So that's a fun 403 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 1: new word that we all get to use today. This 404 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: is what they've been building to at this point, and 405 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 1: I've mentioned it before in the show, and I just 406 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: think it's so important. I take this all the way 407 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: back to the special counsel against the Bush administration for 408 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: the Valerie plane leak. Remember that back in the day, 409 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 1: which was absurd. They realized, Hold on a second, they 410 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 1: knew at the beginning who leaked the name. It was 411 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 1: an accident. This all came out in court. This is 412 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: all now beyond dispute. It was Richard Armitage said something 413 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: to somebody, didn't mean to. It was a mistake. They 414 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: weren't going to charge him, but they used that as 415 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: a pretext to investigate Cheney and Karl Rove. And I 416 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: know people are saying, oh, I don't know a Bush 417 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: is a bad guy or war criminals, some people don't 418 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: like him or whatever. That's irrelevant. It was a Republican 419 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: that they used a special counsel as a weapon against, 420 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: and then the purpose of it was absurd. The whole 421 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 1: thing was a scam. And then they had the Bob 422 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 1: McDonald and Virginia prosecution, where the FEDS swooped in and said, hey, 423 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: you can't hang out with this businessman. The Supreme Court 424 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: overturned their services broad prosecution when all that Supreme Court. 425 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: Bob McDonald was somebody who was thought of as a 426 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: possible VP candidate. If we all remember for the Republican ticket, 427 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 1: Chris Christie with Bridgegate, Oh, huge, federally, a huge investigation, 428 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: and people were saying that it was murder Rick Perry. 429 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: No one even remembers this. Rick Perry was indicted by 430 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 1: a jury in twenty fourteen. He was cleared of all 431 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: charges and they said it was abuse of power, essentially 432 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: because he didn't want a prosecutor who was caught drunk 433 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 1: driving to stay in the job. So they brought against 434 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: Rick Perry Scott Walker, the John Doe investigation. Do you 435 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: remember this, by the way, Clay, They had people I 436 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: interviewed some of these individuals. There were like desk clerks, 437 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: you know, from the Walker campaign who had tactical teams 438 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: show up at six o'clock in the morning, you know, 439 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 1: bang on the door and take all their computers because 440 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: they thought there was co ordination with the campaign. And 441 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: under Wisconsin law, they weren't even allowed to talk about it. 442 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,719 Speaker 1: It was illegal for them to say they did this 443 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: to me. Then this was a Democrat prosecutor out of Milwaukee. 444 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: No surprise, who was pushing in the whole thing. They've 445 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: been doing this, they've been setting and then of course 446 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 1: Russia collusion, which they also effectively got away with. So 447 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: now they finally pushed it all the way. But this 448 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,479 Speaker 1: has been building for the last fifteen years. They've been 449 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: getting ready for this moment to finally just say, if 450 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 1: you have a Republican that stands in our way, in 451 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 1: the way of power that's a threat to not just 452 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: the candidate's ability to stay in office, but the machinery overall, 453 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: we will destroy you. We will ruin you, we will 454 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: use the law as a weapon against you. Now, people 455 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: might say, well, it's only this minor indictment against Trump 456 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: and he's not going to go to prison for this, 457 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,479 Speaker 1: or well they want to turn him into a convicted felon. 458 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: And what do we think the Georgia court is going 459 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: to do now or the Georgia prosecutor, I should say, 460 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: I think Georgia is going to file charges. And again 461 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: I don't know anybody else has even pointed this out, 462 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: but I want you flagged this in your head. Think 463 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 1: about what the political ramification are of this. And I 464 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: was just talking to this about with Buck off the air. 465 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: Imagine that again in the Shaggy defense. It wasn't me right, Biden, 466 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: White House throws up their hands. This is not us. 467 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 1: These are state local prosecutors. It's not a federal indictment. 468 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: And even crazier and I don't know that Biden is 469 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: smart enough to ever come up with this on his own, 470 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: but somebody in his staff might be, or they might 471 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: be listening to this show because it's the smartest show 472 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 1: that exists in American media on a day to day basis. 473 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: They could actually come out when this Jack Smith investigation 474 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: into Mara Lago and January sixth, Joe Biden could actually 475 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: pardon Donald Trump from the federal offenses. Remember the president 476 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: can pardon for federal offenses. The state cases would still go. 477 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: Biden could even come out and say, I think this 478 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: is bad for America. I'm gonna try to unite America, 479 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 1: which what I promised to do. I'm gonna pardon Trump 480 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: from any wrongdoing January sixth or classified documents, not going 481 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 1: to bring federal charges there. I'll see. I'll let the 482 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: American public decide in twenty twenty four. Meanwhile, he gets 483 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: to have his cake and eat it. Too, because New 484 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: York and Georgia are both still prosecuting and he can 485 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: throw up his hands and say that's not me. He 486 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 1: gets the benefit of Trump being charged with felonies without 487 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: having to have his direct fingerprints on them, and then 488 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: he can seem like the good guy by saying, I 489 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: don't think this is a good precedent to set for 490 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,959 Speaker 1: the federal government. If I were kind of in charge 491 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 1: of manipulating the chessboard, as we know many Democrats are, 492 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: that's the play because it gets them buck. Remember what's 493 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: their end goal? Biden, I really believe this only thinks 494 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: he can beat Trump. I think that's the only only 495 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: Republican he thinks he can beat. This is the cognitive 496 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: dissonance that everyone has to look at right now. Now. 497 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 1: I'm not sure ever, obviously, here's here's where I think 498 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: a lot of folks are on that because we're all, 499 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: like I said, we're in the Trump bunker right now. 500 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: We've got the helmets on, and we're looking at this 501 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: abuse of the law and standing together and calling it 502 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: out for what it is. And on the other side 503 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 1: of this, though, it's is this playing into the Democrats' 504 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: hands politically down the line, there are going to be 505 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people who say absolutely not, all right, 506 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 1: united behind Trump can and will defeat of Joe Biden 507 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. I think we're at the place 508 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: Clay where we may end up testing out that theory. Yes, 509 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know if there's a way around 510 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: it at this point. So that's all. We're all in 511 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: it to win it. There's no doubt that Trump motivates 512 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: tons of people who would otherwise not vote. We saw 513 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: that in twenty twenty, and there's no doubt that COVID 514 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: changed the rules and all those other things. But does 515 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: Trump motivate enough people? Remember, nobody voted for Joe Biden, 516 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: even Democrats. They didn't vote for Joe Biden. They voted 517 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: against Trump. And Biden is basically the trojan horse candidate 518 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: who is standing against Trump, and he thinks the only 519 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: way he can win, and I think he's right is 520 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: if he runs against Trump. Now, it's fair to point 521 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: out buck Hillary Clinton thought there's no way I can 522 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: lose to Donald Trump. She did in twenty sixteen. But 523 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: who are these people out there who are undecided? Are 524 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: suburban Mom's gonna come back in Trump's camp in twenty 525 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: twenty four, after they left him in twenty twenty I 526 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,479 Speaker 1: don't claim to know the answer. It's unlikely to me. 527 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: People I know, and as I said, you and I 528 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: both we get in coming from both sides. We get 529 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: it has to be Trump people, and we get it 530 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: shouldn't be this time around. He had his time, but 531 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: there should be somebody else, and it has to be 532 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: Trump folks that I speak to, and I speak to 533 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: them every day, but they point out, as they say, well, 534 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden didn't even win the 535 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: primary three times and he's president right now. Yeah, so 536 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: why you know, Joe Biden just is a look. Persistence 537 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: take it out of Biden's heads. Persistence is like the 538 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: key in life when you green if you want something, 539 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: persistence is one of the most important Persistence and resilt. 540 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: You put those two, and that beats skill ability, you 541 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: know a lot of things. So I don't know a 542 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: lot of people out there, buck, and I just want 543 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: everybody to remember this. They aren't paying attention on a 544 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: day to day basis. Like you. They siege bumbling old 545 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: Joe Biden and they think, oh, he's not that dangerous. 546 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: And you know, again this Scranton Joe persona. People in 547 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and Michigan, enough of them buy into 548 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: he's a bumbling, middle of the road normalcy candidate, and 549 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: they believe it. This is why I just i'd speak 550 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: to my most ardent Trump, Trump all the way at 551 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: this point, friends in the media and people out there 552 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: in general, and just say, beating Biden is going to 553 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: be tough. Yes, and we all know why. We could 554 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: sit here and go into it, but they already know 555 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: why it's going to be tough. He comes to the 556 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: table with a certain number of Democrat machine votes. We 557 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: have to beat it. I would also note, you know, 558 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: Trump recently said in the in the Hannity interview, because 559 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: we got we got a little bit of heat, a 560 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: little bit of heat from some folks. Some folks didn't. 561 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: After twenty twenty two, we're like, guys, we're ballot harvesting 562 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: is legal. We have to do it. Yeah, people said, no. 563 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: Trump is saying it now because he knows. Because he knows, 564 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: and we want to win. Winning is what matters. Wait, 565 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: who is it? The winning is the only thing. It's 566 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: not the Uh, you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, 567 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: it's one of the most famous quote, one of the 568 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: most famous quotes of all time. I'm trying to I 569 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: don't even know winning is yogi berra uh oh no, 570 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: it's still I'll tell winning isn't everything. It's the only thing. 571 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: Is attributed. I didn't know this to UCLA Bruins football 572 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: coach Henry Russell Red Sanders. Winning isn't everything. It's the 573 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: only thing. Okay, there you go. Good recollection about you 574 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: every day. If there's a day that exemplifies how much 575 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: preparation is needed to be on the air with you, 576 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: my friends, it is today. 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Well, everybody's fired up across Clay 604 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: and buckland right now out there listening because we've got 605 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: an inbox that is the cup runneth over hour in 606 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: box of emails deluged a tsunami of emails and we 607 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: also have every line lit. So look, we want to 608 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: get to a lot of you. This is gonna be 609 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: a little bit of a short segment. We got Andy 610 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: McCarthy up next for the best detailed legal analysis of 611 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: this you will get in my opinion, Clay's opinion, I 612 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: think anywhere. And then we'll also next hour get into 613 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: more calls, and third hour more calls, so we'll get 614 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: to them. So buck stop speaking, get the calls. We 615 00:33:55,280 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: have Jason in Glenville, Nebraska. What's going on? Jason, Hey, 616 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,239 Speaker 1: Hey you guys, Dylan, thanks for harrying the torch. Thank you, sir. 617 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: We try what's on your mind. I got a little 618 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: different take on this. I think they're doing this to 619 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: Trump to use his words against him later on when 620 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: these investigations turned to the Biden family, they can say, oh, 621 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: it's a hit job, it's a witch hunt. You're just 622 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: paying us back. Yeah, thanks her spot. My second second 623 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: thought is I think that Trump ought to go to 624 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: court on all these and expose how crappy and how 625 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: stupid and how moronics these charges are. I mean, he's 626 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: going to be found guilty in New York. Just so 627 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: you know the problem is again I should have built 628 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: on this even more with the with my Democrat prosecutor 629 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: theory they all have rigged juries. Yes, right, exactly. I 630 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: think if you live in different parts of the country, 631 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: you're not thinking as much about Oh, the jury of twelve, Yeah, 632 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 1: jury of twelve in Washington, DC is going to find 633 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: guilty because they voted ninety five to five against Trump 634 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: in the election. I knew my neighbors, you know, to 635 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 1: some degree when I lived in a major like a 636 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: large building in midtown Manhattan, Clay. If you pick the 637 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 1: first twelve people that walked into that building and put 638 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: them on a jury, Trump's going away for anything, Yes, 639 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: Trump would. Trump would go away for violating the Aliens 640 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: Edition Act in eighteen o two. It doesn't matter that 641 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: he wasn't alive. They wouldn't. Which is why you're seeing 642 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: so many people react. They know these are crap charges, 643 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: but they're saying, oh, this is like getting al Capone 644 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: on tax evasion. He's so corrupt, I don't even care 645 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 1: what he gets. This is this is actually, first of all, 646 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 1: Trump's not al Capone, but put that aside. This is 647 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: getting this is charging al Capone with a felony for 648 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: jaywalking Actually, that's what this is if we're going to 649 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: play the analogy. But that's the way they're reacting. Cindy 650 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 1: in New York State. I don't know what part of 651 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: New York you're in, Cindy. What's your reaction? Hi? Yes, Um, 652 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,280 Speaker 1: I noticed throughout a lot of the last few weeks 653 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: that most of the information was coming from Team Trump, 654 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: and I wonder what your thoughts are on the idea 655 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: that Trump was creating a win win scenario for himself 656 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: here where he goaded the DA into making a decision 657 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 1: either they didn't charge him and they look like they 658 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 1: have no backbone, or they do charge him like they 659 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 1: are trying to, and he circles the wagons around himself 660 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:28,240 Speaker 1: and he secures the Republican nomination. Thank you. Look right now, 661 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: it is the case that this benefits Trump if they 662 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: charge him in Georgia, which I think they will, and 663 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,359 Speaker 1: if the drumbeat continues again, there's two different battlegrounds here. Yes, 664 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: I think this makes Trump more likely to be the 665 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: nominee for Republicans. But remember that's what Democrats want because 666 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 1: they think all these suburban women that rejected Trump in 667 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 1: twenty twenty are they suddenly going to come back to 668 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: Trump in twenty four. Democrats think they're gonna win. They 669 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 1: look at what they call their seven million vote you know, 670 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,360 Speaker 1: popular vote majority. They look at twenty twenty. If you 671 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,359 Speaker 1: are mirror imaging my friends looking at the chessboard from 672 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: the opponent's side. Every Democrat I know says they want 673 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: to run against front privately, and you've got to think 674 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 1: they figure it's replay at twenty twenty. So are we 675 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 1: rolling the dice? Twenty twenty four is different? That's what 676 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 1: we're gonna find out. Fleet Travis and Buck Sexton on 677 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: the front lines of truth