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Speaker 1: can listen to everything that you might have missed this afternoon.

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Speaker 1: And I was going to say, it's not every day

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Speaker 1: that you have a former president indicted, but it is

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Speaker 1: turning into.

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Speaker 2: Here we go again every couple of weeks. This time

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Speaker 2: it's a federal indictment coming from the Department of Justice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the big boys are dumping on Trump. Here Trump

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Speaker 1: thirty seven charges, thirty one counts violations of the Espionage Act.

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Speaker 3: Yes, willful retention of national defense information. The pictures are

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Speaker 3: rather stunning.

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Speaker 2: Have you looked at them?

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Speaker 3: Of the boxes and PaperWorks all lying around different places

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Speaker 3: of mar A Lago, including a bathroom, lying around his

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Speaker 3: presidential toilet. Almost like I figure him in certain ways

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Speaker 3: as kind of a sloppy guy. You know, he looked

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Speaker 2: He was taking a dump, but he just threw it.

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Speaker 2: And you know, no, no, I look at that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's a bathroom. There's whole a bunch of boxes lined

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, is his toilet. And I really don't understand. Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk. We're going to talk to somebody in just

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Speaker 1: a second here. But this is pretty clear cut. These

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Speaker 1: these laws. You're not supposed to have any of this

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Speaker 2: I declassified it. You know, I'm the president. That's nonsense.

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Speaker 2: I'm just stuff. Had apparently admitted that he didn't in

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Speaker 2: one of the recordings they have.

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Speaker 1: He just makes stuff up, obviously, And it's information on

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Speaker 1: US nuclear programs, the vulnerabilities of the US and allies

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Speaker 1: US and foreign countries, far nation nuclear capabilities. This is

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Speaker 1: not stuff you have boxed up around your toilet. Why

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Speaker 1: did he take this to Florida?

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Speaker 2: I don't understand. Why did he need this.

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Speaker 3: I had read as a while back when this story

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Speaker 3: he got charged with something. But I don't really see

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Speaker 2: I don't think about it.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe he's irrational. Maybe he their trophies, you know,

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Speaker 1: to show off. Oh I see your right military secrets?

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Speaker 2: What I got? You want to see some nuclear secrets?

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Speaker 2: I got it? They said, I think he was talking

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Speaker 1: Oh no, No, they have a recording of him bragging

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Speaker 1: this is a lot of trouble he's in. And they

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Speaker 2: But he's the one that a couple of times said

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Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna talk to Lou Shapiro now and Lewis's

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Speaker 1: defense attorney, Lou Shapiro Aaron, Los Angeles, Lou, how are

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Speaker 4: Good afternoon, gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's looks like heavy stuff here, real stuff.

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Speaker 4: Well, look, it's definitely heavy stuff. It's hard, like you said,

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Speaker 4: But it's a lot of boxes and it's a lot

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Speaker 2: Did you read the whole indictment?

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Speaker 4: Yes, I skimmed through it. I can't say I read

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Speaker 2: It sounds like you have an alarm going off everything, Okay, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, you know, people say, lou well, other politicians

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Speaker 2: What makes us so terrible for Trump?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it's the sheer volume right away. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think his lack of complete cooperation

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Speaker 4: Right, So that's that's the question, Right, where do we

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Speaker 4: And then then you have people, a lot of people saying,

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Speaker 4: Then why is the line being drawn in a different

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Speaker 4: But we have two individuals who did, only one of

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Speaker 4: in addition to keep the DOPINGUS documents, but that's not

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Speaker 4: And that's what I think is causing a lot of

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Speaker 2: And now the usual question, he can still run for president, right, He.

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Speaker 4: The point is it doesn't say it. He can't. That's

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Speaker 4: where it leads it open to argument. But DeSantis has

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Speaker 3: Another year before we actually have this in court. Am

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Speaker 3: I right, because that's the story with the other indictment.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So look, Florida has known that this area where

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Speaker 4: we're definitely going to see this stilling in into the

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Speaker 2: Well, his law team left.

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Speaker 1: I saw one story that Trump fired them, another story

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he's got tons of other lawyers, though.

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Speaker 2: I don't know his relationship with the one's involved in

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Speaker 1: No, I know, but obviously he's a really difficult client.

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Speaker 1: Do you have you imagined if you were his lawyer,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he does seem like, on a face, like a

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Speaker 2: And finally, what kind of sentence would we be looking

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Speaker 4: I'm glad you're asking that question, because you could have

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Speaker 4: But realistically, I don't think it's a custody case.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like you pointing that out, because I was

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Speaker 1: Let me let me ask you this though, considering what

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Speaker 4: So it definitely makes it what's called aggravating. And that

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Speaker 4: argument goes to why charges were filed, right, That's why

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Speaker 4: that's why it was filed. But in terms of the punishment,

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Speaker 4: the harm that was actually done wasn't much harm. And frankly,

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Speaker 4: he can argue, look, it's not like I saw documents

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Speaker 2: It's all right, thanks, thank you very much. We appreciate

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Speaker 4: Always a pleasure, gentlemen, have good weekend.

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Speaker 2: All right. Lu Shapiro, criminal defense attorney, on the indictment

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Speaker 2: of President Trump for having these classified documents in his possession.

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Speaker 2: I will talk more.

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Speaker 3: Here supposedly According to the indictment, there was a conversation,

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Speaker 1: Well, because there were two biographers who met with Trump

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about real although obviously they haven't made a

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Speaker 2: Who's dedicated her career.

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Speaker 2: Like when The Times wrote that non that's been her

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Speaker 3: We've seen the scam work in so many areas of

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Speaker 1: It's about taking tax money, trying to shield yourself with

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Speaker 2: Along the way. We're going to make a million dollars

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they make six and probably seven figure salaries.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's go through this.

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Speaker 3: Over the years that he served a speaker, she founded

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Speaker 2: Well, I did not influence any of this.

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Speaker 1: Well, because if they admitted it, they'd be going to prison.

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Speaker 1: So they're never going to admit it. They're always going

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Speaker 2: Wife just got the payoff for it.

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Speaker 1: It is legalized bribery. It's corruption, and of course they're

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Speaker 3: His wife's employment has never affected his decisions as Speaker

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Speaker 1: They're lying because, you know why, because it's impossible to

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Speaker 2: Well, no one's going.

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Speaker 1: I'll make sure this bill comes up for a vote

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Speaker 1: and it will pass. If you don't have that in writing,

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Speaker 1: or you don't have a recording of them agreeing to it,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't have There's no conviction. Ever, That's why you

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Speaker 1: rarely see these convictions. However, this kind of situation happens

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Speaker 1: all day, every day of the year in every state

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Speaker 1: capital in the US capital. This is what makes the

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Speaker 1: system go is these kind of payoffs.

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Speaker 3: In twenty sixteen, the first dear he was speaker, he

448
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Speaker 3: has to file something called statement of economic interests. It

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Speaker 3: showed that his fifty percent share of his wife's income

450
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Speaker 3: ranged from ten thousand to one hundred thousand. By twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 3: his share had exceeded one hundred grand, meaning her business

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Speaker 3: was breaking in more than two hundred grand.

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Speaker 2: Says here.

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Speaker 3: It's unclear how much he was making because it only

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Speaker 3: requires you to report an income range for more than

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Speaker 3: a decade. This woman is contracted with this League of

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Speaker 3: California City so they call it Calcities to provide, you know,

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Speaker 3: mysterious consulting services as executive director to three of their

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Speaker 3: diversity caucuses diversity caucus.

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Speaker 1: See, and it's always something vague like like consulting.

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Speaker 2: It also sounds positive, oh, diverse, and.

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Speaker 1: Everyone likes diverse. Right, there's no such thing as diversity consulting,

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Speaker 1: all right. That's it's that's that's not a job. That's

464
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Speaker 1: not a profession. That's not a thing. It's entirely made up.

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Speaker 1: But it makes it bulletproof to criticize.

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Speaker 3: But aren't these the people that come up with the

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Speaker 3: Kocammi ideas that make all employees undergo diversity.

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Speaker 1: Training and to expose them to one. Yeah, but we

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Speaker 1: already we have that. There's nothing new to come up with.

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Speaker 1: We know their game. Okay, get every employee two hours

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Speaker 1: of nonsense propaganda to listen to, and then you you

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Speaker 1: do bean counting to make sure that everything is ethnically

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Speaker 1: and racially and sexually balanced. There really isn't any other

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Speaker 1: tricks to it.

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Speaker 3: Cal Cities is apparently it lobbies for the interests of

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Speaker 3: hundreds of local governments.

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Speaker 2: That's what that organization does. And she was a consultant

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Speaker 2: for them.

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Speaker 1: But I would say, would really help you if you

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Speaker 1: realize this guy just became speaker and you look around,

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Speaker 1: you're like, I guess we could use a consultant to

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Speaker 1: help us with some of our effort.

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Speaker 2: Oh, look at that.

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Speaker 3: The wife of the new speaker is a consultant. Somebody

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Speaker 3: track her down, right, all of I don't give us

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Speaker 3: a nice end.

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Speaker 1: Everything about politics. Most of it is about companies and

488
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Speaker 1: organizations wanting some kind of favorable advantage from the government,

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Speaker 1: either a law that allows them to make money or

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Speaker 1: government contracts that allow them to make money.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 1: That is the business of the Assembly in the state Senate. Right,

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Speaker 1: It's just okay, we've we've got hundreds of billions of

494
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Speaker 1: dollars in tax money flowing through the system. How can

495
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Speaker 1: we get our hands on some or how can I

496
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Speaker 1: parceal out some to my buddies in the nonprofit system. Well,

497
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Speaker 1: for every action there has to.

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Speaker 2: Be a payback. Right.

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Speaker 1: If you're an assemblyment or a state senator and you

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Speaker 1: are going to sponsor a bill that is going to

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Speaker 1: enrich some business or some nonprofit in some way or

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Speaker 1: give them access to government contracts, you have to get

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Speaker 1: a payoff. Now, you can't get a direct payoff, right,

504
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Speaker 1: can't go to a diner and have them put a

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Speaker 1: bag of cash on the counter. You have to do

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Speaker 1: it in a subtle way. And a real great way

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Speaker 1: is to have your dopey wife be some kind of

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Speaker 1: consultant for diversity. And then you get a contract between

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Speaker 1: the company and the wife, and then the company gets

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Speaker 1: a bill passed or the company gets a government contract.

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Speaker 2: And this is standard ordinary business.

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Speaker 3: Well, they claim in this story that Rendon's record supporting

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Speaker 3: cal City's policy is mixed. Sometimes he voted with their stuff,

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Speaker 3: sometimes he voted against their stuff. Well, they also say

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Speaker 3: that this woman has been doing this for decades. How

516
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Speaker 3: dare you question? But her income really shot up when begins.

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Speaker 3: That's more than suspicious.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if he voted against it, it probably

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Speaker 1: passed every time because you don't bring up a bill

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Speaker 1: unless you know what's going to pass. And then what

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Speaker 1: you do to give yourself plausible deniability is you personally

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Speaker 1: vote against it. But what does it matter in the Assembly,

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Speaker 1: what do they have? They have like a seventy percent majority. Right,

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Speaker 1: so no bill needs Anthony Rendon's vote, so he can

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Speaker 1: occasionally vote against something just to provide cover. Then why

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Speaker 1: would well, But then why would they use the wife

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Speaker 1: to get in the door with him if they don't

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Speaker 1: need to, Because because the Assembly speaker controls what bills.

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Speaker 2: Are voted on, that's the agenda.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he personally can block them.

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Speaker 3: All right, we got war coming up John and Ken

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Speaker 3: k I AM six forty. We're live everywhere the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI

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Speaker 5: AM six forty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to hear the whole show today because

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Speaker 1: we got moistline. They'll be coming your way at about

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Speaker 1: the dumpster. It's been a couple of weeks since we

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Speaker 1: brought on the mob members where we have enough assembled

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Speaker 1: today to help us throw a hack into the dumpster.

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Speaker 1: If you're listening to the show yesterday and maybe you

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Speaker 1: used the download the podcast, you heard us talk about

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Speaker 1: a dangerous job in Mexico where there were call center

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Speaker 1: employees who apparently were found well.

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Speaker 2: Cut up in bags.

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Speaker 1: They were killed by a drug cartel because apparently they

548
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Speaker 1: wanted to quit their job working as scammers, real estate scammers.

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Speaker 3: They actually were calling Americans and trying to scam them

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Speaker 3: about their time shares. That was what they were doing

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Speaker 3: at the call center.

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Speaker 2: Believe it or not.

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Speaker 3: The cartels that really expanded their business out to that

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Speaker 3: kind of fraud. The word is they wanted to leave

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Speaker 3: and there's no exit, so instead they got cut up.

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Speaker 2: Now we bring you a story of not exactly the same,

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Speaker 2: but it's also a job you might not want to

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Speaker 2: have and there can be lots of difficult times. There's

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Speaker 2: a man by the name of Dale Wheatley.

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Speaker 3: He works for the AGA of Illinois AGA standing for

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Speaker 3: Anatomical Gift Association. Yes, this is about when people give

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Speaker 3: their bodies to science. This is one of the organizations

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Speaker 3: that gets the bodies for research and Dale. Wheatley's job

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Speaker 3: was to perform deliveries. Well, apparently there was a lot

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Speaker 3: of complaints about the way the bodies were being treated.

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Speaker 3: They call them donors, and he was handling the complaints

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Speaker 3: and sort of forwarding them to Uppers and Well, he

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Speaker 3: says that somebody apparently didn't like it because he came

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Speaker 3: to work the other day and he found severed heads

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Speaker 3: on his desk. He says it looked like something out

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Speaker 3: of a horror movie. The heads were from donors. They

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Speaker 3: were placed next to his desk after he reported these

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Speaker 3: concerns about the mishandling and the pork nitions of the

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Speaker 3: donated bodies.

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Speaker 2: To a supervisor. He believes there's a connection and this

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Speaker 2: was somebody's way of saying, you better shut.

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Speaker 1: Up, shut up, leave me alone, go away with your complaints.

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Speaker 3: He filed the police report after the heads showed up

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Speaker 3: at his desk, although some are saying because his job

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Speaker 3: was to deliver the body parts, this wouldn't be that

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Speaker 3: unusual that he would have heads.

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Speaker 2: What today's shipment.

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Speaker 1: Somebody gave him the heads and said, well, you have

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Speaker 1: to deliver these to some science center or some place.

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Speaker 2: But this came to the mailroom this morning.

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Speaker 3: But here are the complaints, which is whether they're true

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Speaker 3: or not, we don't know. But he goes, the place

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Speaker 3: is deplorable, it's in shabby conditions. If you're in here

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Speaker 3: for more than five minutes and you start walking around,

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Speaker 3: you're going to start to stick to the floor.

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Speaker 2: Oh that makes sense though.

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Speaker 1: The bodily fluids, yes, everything, everything leaks out of the bodies.

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Speaker 1: But he's saying, these bodies are in really bad stages

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Speaker 1: of decomposition and not being preserved very well, and they

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Speaker 1: won't be.

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Speaker 2: Much use for science. If that's true.

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Speaker 3: Well, you can't really have a body that's rotting and

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Speaker 3: get much out of it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this is a weird business. Don't you think it

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Speaker 1: attracts all kinds of sick weirdos?

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Speaker 2: The other person to do this?

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Speaker 1: The people, yeah, who work in the business. Don't you

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Speaker 1: think these are weirdos? And probably some of them take

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Speaker 1: the bodies home.

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Speaker 3: Like you feel about undertakers and more uppers And yes, exactly, Wait,

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Speaker 3: I mean take the bodies home.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's got their cank Wow, Oh god, who would do that?

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Speaker 2: John thought of it? That's all I'll say.

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Speaker 1: No, there are there are people who are into weird stuff.

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Speaker 1: I don't have a list of names. You hear about

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Speaker 1: it in the news every once in a while.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it's very creepy. These are people.

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Speaker 3: Wheatley manages what they call the rack room where the

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Speaker 3: bodies are held at this association. He drives around to

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Speaker 3: medical institutions and he loads and unloads.

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Speaker 2: The body parts. Okay, all right, what kind of now?

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Speaker 3: He says, it's sometimes the bodies come to him and

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Speaker 3: they're covered with flies, or they're distorted in such a

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Speaker 3: way they can't even be used this. He's just trying

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Speaker 3: to say that we need to do better here.

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Speaker 1: What kind of a guy wants to spend his day

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Speaker 1: unloading dead bodies and they're rotting and they got flies

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Speaker 1: buzzing around. You could unload anything in life, right, You

624
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Speaker 1: could unload vegetables, he could unload furniture.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why would you speak to be important work?

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Speaker 3: We could come up with great scientific discoveries if it

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Speaker 3: weren't for these people, and they're donated.

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Speaker 2: Bodies and the people that deal.

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Speaker 3: Somebody has to do this so we can come up

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Speaker 3: with the scientific breakthroughs.

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Speaker 2: Why would you disparas this profession? What scientific breakthroughs.

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Speaker 1: Well, but they're dead when they work on I know,

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Speaker 1: but if they died of a certain cause, they might

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Speaker 1: be able to use specimens to determine treatment medicines.

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Speaker 2: Would you want your bodies to be used that way?

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Speaker 2: I did. I think it's on your license, right, you

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Speaker 2: can now. I mean, while I don't care.

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Speaker 1: I wrote in my license, don't touch a thing you

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Speaker 1: wrote on it. Uh huh, leave my body alone.

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Speaker 3: I think that's okay with most of us. There was

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Speaker 3: a handful of donors that recent delivered with their feet

642
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 3: in their hands that showed signs of severe decomposition, he wrote.

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Speaker 3: So he's just saying here that maybe we should do

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Speaker 3: better in the way we treat these bodies. So because

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Speaker 3: it seems like nobody cares, and he's thinking, they put

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Speaker 3: the heads on his desk as a way of saying

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Speaker 3: shut up, right, that's all.

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Speaker 1: He thinks that they should have a scale to way

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Speaker 1: the donor's bodies to determine the amount of embalming fluid

650
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Speaker 1: required so they don't prematurely rot.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a good suggestion. You can't do as

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Speaker 2: much active resource with a rotted body. I just questioned

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Speaker 2: anybody in the business all right, we got more coming up.

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