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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar and Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it?

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Speaker 1: Joined us always buy our bark. Here is Evan Lazar

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Speaker 1: and Alex Barr. Right, that's a New England Patriots Where

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Speaker 1: were you moment? Brady de Moss right in O seven

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Speaker 1: is up there twenty eight to three four about chronologically

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Speaker 1: here uh a Quinn Ortine going ten for ten in

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Speaker 1: the instandium practice and Mac Jones against the Giants and joint.

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Speaker 2: Practice right up there with Brady de Moss to break

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Speaker 2: the all time touchdown record and receiving touchdown record a

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Speaker 2: joint That's what this time of year is all about, though,

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Speaker 2: right overreacting and getting too excited about a joint practice

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Speaker 2: in the middle of August. And I feel like I

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Speaker 2: have some takes that that people don't like about about

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Speaker 2: some of the younger some things where I'm just like,

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Speaker 2: let's just let's not get there sizing for the red

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Speaker 2: jacket just yet. Let's just let's just let them play

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Speaker 2: a couple of games. But it's Evans Our Alex Bars

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Speaker 2: Patriots Catch twenty two with you, We're gonna do the

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Speaker 2: full two hours today, we're gonna leave right into Patriots

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Speaker 2: Unfiltered with special guests Alex Bars, because I have to

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Speaker 2: get on a plane again and go to Nashville here

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Speaker 2: in a couple of hours. What was me, right?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Get on that one man anyways. But yeah, well we'll

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Speaker 2: have you up till Patriots Unfiltered, and we got a

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Speaker 2: lot to talk about.

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Speaker 1: I do want to go back.

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Speaker 2: I know we've turned the page from the Packers a

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Speaker 2: little bit, but I do want to go back and

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Speaker 2: talk a little bit about the Green Bay game. I

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Speaker 2: have some takes, not anything to do with the end

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Speaker 2: of the game, but more takes about the the actual

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Speaker 2: game itself. And we're gonna do some roster projection stuff.

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Speaker 2: We're not gonna go through the entire roster projection, but

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Speaker 2: we're gonna go through some of the hot button positions

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Speaker 2: running back, either offensive line, maybe some of the defensive

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Speaker 2: spots too. So we'll do a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: jump around there on the roster projections. And then we

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Speaker 2: also have some players to watch for you guys tomorrow

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Speaker 2: night in Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: So somebody in the chest is a good one too.

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Speaker 1: If we need to feel four hours, what is it

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Speaker 1: a sleeper on offense and defense that will be a

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Speaker 1: major contributor that nobody's talking about.

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Speaker 2: All right, I like that as well. We'll get to.

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Speaker 1: All of it.

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Speaker 2: But I do want to I have some things that

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Speaker 2: I'm excited about and things I'm not excited about from

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Speaker 2: Saturday night in Green Bay, and so I'm going to

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Speaker 2: pitch them to you, and then you can you can

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Speaker 2: tell me if I'm overreacting, underreacting, whatever.

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Speaker 1: The case may be.

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Speaker 2: So let's we're a positive show. We like to keep

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Speaker 2: it positive as much as we possibly can. We're objective,

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Speaker 2: but we're positive, and so I want to start I

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Speaker 2: think the two are confused often. I want to start

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Speaker 2: with the good, what I'm excited about, and I think

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Speaker 2: the main thing that I came away from Saturday night

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Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien is designing and installing here in New England

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Speaker 2: in his second stint. This is the type of offense

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Speaker 2: that I have wanted mac.

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Speaker 1: Jones to be.

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Speaker 2: And since the day he drafted them, right the day

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Speaker 2: been clamoring for all of the things that Bill O'Brien

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Speaker 2: and I'm excited to see what it looks like two

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Speaker 2: and it's gonna be even better. I know everybody. Everybody

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Speaker 2: already knows I'm obsessed with RPOs. I love RPOs. I

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Speaker 2: don't care who knows. I love RPOs. Those are in

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Speaker 2: calculating deep shots, but they're more about efficiency, you know,

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Speaker 2: some of the adjustments. That's good too, but post snap,

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Speaker 2: the route adjustments, the site adjustments that they're making, the

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Speaker 2: people see arm strength concern and see mobility concerns with

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Speaker 1: But for me, if you do all.

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Speaker 2: These types of things, if you give him these answers

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Speaker 2: the concepts themselves. I love what they're doing. It's basically

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Speaker 2: the twenty eleven Bill O'Brien offense combined with Alabama's offense.

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Speaker 2: I think it's disingenuous or incorrect to say this is

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Speaker 2: McDaniels was a two back under center base formation team.

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Speaker 2: That was how they played first and second down with

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Speaker 2: it possibly can be run at. That's a totally different

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Speaker 1: We've heard players say, oh, yeah, you know, it's some

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Speaker 1: there are elements you see where it's it resembles stuff

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Speaker 1: But but overall, yeah, it's it's so funny. I was

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Speaker 1: gonna just they're gonna build from that because you don't

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Speaker 1: But there's also you set stuff up. How are you

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Speaker 1: gonna show that in the preseason unless you're Jeff Fisher

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Speaker 1: in the two thousand and nine Hall of Fame game

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Speaker 1: for some reason breaking out the greatest fake punt of

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Speaker 1: was really encouraged by what I saw schematically from the offense.

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Speaker 1: Now it's on the players to execute it. This is

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Speaker 2: They're going to be put to the test on that one.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna figure it out because I think base and

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Speaker 1: it's you know, three drives. But based on what we

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Speaker 2: I agree, And it's a consistency thing because we've seen

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Speaker 2: it a lot in camp. But then you get back

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Speaker 2: to some of that grenade offense stuff where you know,

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Speaker 2: miscommunication there. For example, you know the seam throw to

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Speaker 2: Hunter Henry, Like that throw is going to be available

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Speaker 2: to this offense for the entire season. Yeah, Hunter Henry

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Speaker 2: the seam, those throws are gonna be available and open,

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Speaker 2: I think to this offense. But that one, whether he

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Speaker 2: that's a throw they got to make because that that's

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Speaker 2: an explosive in this offense that they're gonna have to

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Speaker 2: be able to hit. It can't all be you know,

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Speaker 2: five yard passes on option routes to Mario Douglas and

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Speaker 2: Kendrick Bourne and whoever you know, slants to Kendrick Bourne

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Speaker 2: or whatever. You got to push it down the field sometimes,

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Speaker 2: and that's those are the ways that you're gonna push it.

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Speaker 1: That's the version of stretching the field.

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Speaker 2: I also think, you know, similarly with Devonte Parker that

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Speaker 2: that throw. I thought that was a competitive throw if

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Speaker 2: we can, I don't want to get bogged down with

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Speaker 2: people and arguing whether or not it was a good

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Speaker 1: Good I've seen the one guy on Twitter that anytime

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Speaker 1: evaluating plays a single frame.

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Speaker 2: Bottom line, I thought that was a competitive throw that

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Speaker 2: gonna sit it down and ended up being zoned, so

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00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,760
Speaker 2: that's why he ends up sitting down the route. Those

434
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Speaker 2: are the types of plays that I always really like

435
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,320
Speaker 2: with O'Brien. I think the other one that I really

436
00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:21,359
Speaker 2: like just from a schematic design perspective, was actually a miss.

437
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,800
Speaker 2: It was the Hunter Henry throw up the seam. That's

438
00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 2: a play where you have a zone beater on one

439
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,040
Speaker 2: side and you have a man beater on the other,

440
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,680
Speaker 2: and that's that's good design of offense. And when mac

441
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,000
Speaker 2: redman coverage, he worked the right side of the formation,

442
00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:35,800
Speaker 2: but if he had read zone then he probably would

443
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,199
Speaker 2: have worked the X follow side of the formation on

444
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,680
Speaker 2: the left hand side. That's the way that you can

445
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 2: give the quarterback answers to the test is you got

446
00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,480
Speaker 2: zone beaters, you got man beaters. Everything is gonna work

447
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,200
Speaker 2: against everything, and you're gonna figure it out post snap

448
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,080
Speaker 2: and you can make the right decision with the football

449
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:52,119
Speaker 2: and you just have to charge it.

450
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,359
Speaker 1: And that's Bill o'brown's offense to a t. But then

451
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:55,959
Speaker 1: you know it's you have to figure out what it

452
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 1: is and that's where I say they're putting it in

453
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 1: on Mac and on the players. Yeah, the opportunities are

454
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:02,920
Speaker 1: going to be there. He's just got to go back

455
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 1: and make that read and figure out what it is.

456
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:05,960
Speaker 1: And he did that in that instance, and you hope

457
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Speaker 1: he can continue to do it.

458
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 2: All Right, one more what I liked about this game,

459
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Speaker 2: and then we'll move over to some of the things

460
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,639
Speaker 2: I didn't like as much. Kendrick Born. Kendrick Bourne was

461
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,639
Speaker 2: flat out awesome in this game. Like there was just

462
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 2: a lot of great things that he did. The blockings

463
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,440
Speaker 2: almost like he's a good player both in the run game,

464
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,280
Speaker 2: and he made some good blocks to try to get

465
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 2: guys after the caps too.

466
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Speaker 1: He set that big block on the Remondre run too.

467
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, point of attack and on the Remondre

468
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:37,200
Speaker 2: run was the highlight for him. Just clocked the the

469
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,399
Speaker 2: I think it was a safety and just walked them

470
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 2: right out of the gap. I mean, just a great,

471
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 2: great block. And those are the types of blocks that

472
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 2: we've talked about before. How the Patriots view Kendrick Bourne

473
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 2: as like a passing down player, as a third down player,

474
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 2: passing situation player. If he's I think it's eighty percent

475
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 2: of his snaps with the Patriots have been a pass.

476
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,400
Speaker 2: In Kendrick Borne's career with the pay I think that's right.

477
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 2: If he blocks like that more the career is that

478
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 2: last year since they got him under McDaniels too, So

479
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 2: if he blocks like that, then he's gonna have more

480
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 2: opportunity on first down, which is what you want to see.

481
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,360
Speaker 2: His route running in this game. I thought his route

482
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 2: running against Jay or Alexander in practice last week, for

483
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 2: what it's worth, was also fantastic. He ran a great

484
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 2: route in the red zone that I think actually ended

485
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 2: up getting on Twitter if people want to look that

486
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,880
Speaker 2: one up against Jay Year that was a great route.

487
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,120
Speaker 2: But his route running on those slants, I mean, he's

488
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 2: he's really separating at the line of scrimmage. He ran

489
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 2: a great route on that incut and then made the catch,

490
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,239
Speaker 2: you know, went above and made the catch on that

491
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 2: third down play. He was opened the entire game, like

492
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 2: he was open on every single route that he ran.

493
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 2: He blocked extremely well. I'm getting to the point now

494
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 2: based off of just what we've seen, and I think

495
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 2: the one thing I'll say with Juju is I am

496
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 2: waiting for the regular season to come around, because he's

497
00:22:58,560 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 2: a veteran and he might just be one of the

498
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,120
Speaker 2: those guys that just flips the switch when the game start.

499
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Speaker 1: The count I could see that.

500
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 2: But we're getting to the point now where I think

501
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 2: we really seriously need to consider Kendrick Bourne as their

502
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 2: number two receiver and I number one, maybe even in targets.

503
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 2: But when I say number two, I mean Devonte Parker

504
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 2: is going to be your ex and I think Kendrick

505
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 2: Bourne being the top Z receiver is in play.

506
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 1: I mean, I was trying to tell you this whatever

507
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,199
Speaker 1: it was, three four months, do you remember this. I

508
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: was trying to tell you this three four months. He's

509
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: reaching for the mouse. He wants to they cause he

510
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 1: doesn't want to answer to this. Kendrick Bourne makes plays,

511
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: he does Kendrick bok. When you put the ball in

512
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne's hands, good things happen.

513
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 2: To be fair, I think Kendrick Bourne looks the best

514
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 2: I have ever seen him right now. Like I think

515
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,479
Speaker 2: this version of Kendrick Bourne so far is better than

516
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:45,479
Speaker 2: even the twenty twenty one.

517
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 1: I would say so as well, but it's it's I

518
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 1: think in theory, he could have made this jump last

519
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 1: year if given the opportunity, and he was never given

520
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: because we said that last year, all right, first year

521
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 1: in the system, and he acknowledged it times in twenty

522
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: twenty one that the playbook was tough for him to

523
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: pick up, and it's a tough playbook, but he acknowledged

524
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 1: that at a time. So going into last season, this

525
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 1: was a big conversation. Hey, like this guy. He was

526
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: on a thousand yard pace for most of the season,

527
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: kind of fell off late because he got COVID, but

528
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: thousand yard pace for most of the season, ninety yard

529
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: catch for most of the season. If they fully incorporate him,

530
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 1: he's going to take off. And then he got benched

531
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: essentially in training camp and never recovered. Yeah, so yeah,

532
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 1: this is the jump. I was waiting for it last year.

533
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: I always felt he was capable of doing this. He

534
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: just needed to be given the chance. And it really

535
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 1: looks like right now they're gonna give him a chance.

536
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: I saw Fox Sports had like a most tradable player

537
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 1: on each team list the other day and then Kendrick

538
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: Bourne on thelous list, So I didn't look at any

539
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 1: of the other team. He's the best receiver on the team.

540
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 1: They can't. They cannot. I know there's a couple of

541
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 1: people that still are kind of you know with Kashaun

542
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 1: Boody and to Mario Douglas taking off. Oh, do we

543
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 1: revisit that because there were rumors last year they were

544
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: talking about trading Born. Yeah, absolutely not. First of all,

545
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: the most tradable player on the team is Niwful. Second

546
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: he is.

547
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 2: Am I wrong.

548
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 1: No, but Kendrick Bourdy is the best receiver born. I'm

549
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: so happy to hear you say that. But I had

550
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: to see it first, like that, that's that. But you

551
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: saw it twenty one, No, I ge say I saw it.

552
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: I saw twenty one.

553
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 2: I saw how he's catching a shallow drag against the

554
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: Titans and then they're playing like you know, like thousand games.

555
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 2: He's wearing like an invisibility cloak as he runs down the.

556
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: Invisibility cloak he made. I know which played talking it

557
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:26,959
Speaker 1: makes three guys miss on that play. He didn't make

558
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: three guys miss. We can pull the playoff. We're gonna

559
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: pull the play up. He makes three guys miss on

560
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: that play. No, I have always I think Kendrick Bourne

561
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,239
Speaker 1: can be a thousand yard receiver in the NFL. I

562
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 1: believe that in the right circumstance, from what.

563
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 2: We don't know about a thousand NFL get that target share.

564
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 2: But I'm starting to believe that. I'm starting to believe

565
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 2: that he's the best receiver on the team. Let me

566
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 2: put you all right, he leads that nice enough for you?

567
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 1: Yes or no? Yes, no, no, I've got how I want

568
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: to put it. Yes or no on this, he will

569
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: lead the tart the team this year in either just

570
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: just one doesn't have to be all just one. Yeah,

571
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 1: catches yards, touchdowns. He will lead the team in a

572
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: major receiving stat this year. Yes or no.

573
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 2: Also yes, I think he'll probably lead the team in yards.

574
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 2: I think just in terms of I don't know if

575
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: he he catches.

576
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: Probably not because he's not a volume guy.

577
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 2: He's not a volume guy. But I think, what if

578
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 2: you ask me, and this is my whole take on

579
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: this whole thing. Now, I think he needs to be

580
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 2: a volume guy. I think he should be a volume.

581
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,479
Speaker 1: Now you come all the way around. I love this.

582
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 1: He's just had the best summer, Like yeah, no, I'm

583
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: with you. And he looks.

584
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 2: Stronger, he looks more explosive, he looks focused, like I

585
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 2: just see a different player. I really do. And when

586
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 2: I say a different player, I mean I agree with you.

587
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 2: I think your take about this was probably the jump

588
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 2: he should have taken last year, but he didn't because

589
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 2: of the situation. I think that's spot on, and I'm

590
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 2: we're really seeing that this year. It's very rare, and

591
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 2: I think this is where my hesitation was with Kendrick

592
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: Bourne that I want to move on. It's very rare

593
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 2: that a receiver, what six seven years into his NFL career,

594
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 2: all of a sudden blossom into this like Pro Bowl

595
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,479
Speaker 2: caliber receiver. Usually by this point you kind of know

596
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 2: who guys are. You don't really see that too.

597
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: He was.

598
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: We talk a lot about the year two leap and

599
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,959
Speaker 2: things like that, or in this case, maybe a lot

600
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 2: of the twenty twenty one class is gonna have a

601
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: year three leap just because of how horrible everything was

602
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 2: last year. But in general, seven years into your NFL

603
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 2: career becoming all of a sudden, going from a career

604
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: like six hundred yard guy to a thousand is pretty well.

605
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: Can I give you a couple, I mean, they're not

606
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: apples to apples, say I can both be on defense.

607
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: But first of all, Detrich Wise had the you know,

608
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: the year rarely talked about Year six leap last year.

609
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: I honestly a guy I think, and it's another guy

610
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: I like. So maybe I'm a little biased here, but shocker.

611
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: How about Jabrill Peppers Jabrill Peppers possible misused like badly

612
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, went to New York and figured it out. Well,

613
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: let's put that on the I have that on my list, Okay,

614
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: But I would just say, like Kendrick Bourne kind of

615
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: buried in San Francisco, Yeah, comes here, sort of breaks

616
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: out before he got sick in twenty twenty one, and

617
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: then last year never had a chance because of circumstance

618
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 1: outside of his control. So it's it's year six for Born.

619
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: But it's also it's not like he was out there

620
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 1: playing poorly. There were reasons outside of his control that

621
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: he maybe wasn't able to produce up to his potential

622
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: this year. They should give him every chance in the

623
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: world to do that, and I hope they do. I'm

624
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: excited for it, and I'm excited for him because when

625
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: he gets going to we didn't even talk about like

626
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: his hit. I think him and Max have the best chemistry,

627
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: like of all the pass catchers, it's it's his Max.

628
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: He's Max guy, and I think just the energy he brings.

629
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: I've always said, like the way he approaches the game,

630
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne can play for my team any day. I'll

631
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: find a role for him when he gets going. And

632
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: then he becomes like a leader, he becomes a voice.

633
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: That's a guy I want to be a voice. So

634
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: I I really hope that his he keeps this momentum

635
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: going into the regular season.

636
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really feel like that's the biggest thing. All Right,

637
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: we're gonna be negative now for a second.

638
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: All Right, don't it. Don't don't freak out. I mean,

639
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: are we talking about the offensive line. We're gonna a

640
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: little bit. I think most people agree with this.

641
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 2: So here's my my attempt at backwards. I guess it's

642
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: kind of a compliment Sandwich. I don't know. Here's my

643
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: the things I don't like.

644
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: Okay, well it's not a compliment Sandwich.

645
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: Then number one, I did not for Mac. Yeah, the

646
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,959
Speaker 2: one nitpick on this film. I thought for Mac Jones,

647
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 2: I didn't love the City South. Sack didn't love it.

648
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: So City South gets long arm bull rushed by Kingsley

649
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 2: Kbari gets put on skates and walked back into the quarterback.

650
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: Not Max fault, right, Like, you're not not Max fault

651
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,479
Speaker 2: that he's in a preseason game with a rookie right

652
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: tackle who played Garden College and is now trying to

653
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 2: transition to tackle.

654
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: I mean he got put on totally not his fault

655
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: that sack.

656
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: Because you time punts sometimes, I time sacks that that

657
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: sack was three point seventy five seconds.

658
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: What was was it like a deep rap combination?

659
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 2: No, So he was looking at Hunter Henry at the sticks.

660
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: He had Hunter Henry on like a little sit route

661
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 2: and there was three guys in the triangle. Just you know,

662
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: Hunter Henry was in the middle of a three guy

663
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: triangle and he had he had two options on the play.

664
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 2: I felt like one was throw it with some steam

665
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 2: and throw it low to Hunter Henry and try to sneak.

666
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:16,719
Speaker 1: It in the window.

667
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 2: Or the other thing was And this is I think

668
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 2: where the concerns just in general come from. Mac Jones

669
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 2: in the ceiling at the quarterback position, get out of

670
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 2: the pocket right like, you know, because he had left

671
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: he had but he had time to make a decision.

672
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 2: Is my point of either trying to extend the play

673
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 2: by getting out of the pocket and then maybe you

674
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: make the hunter Henry throw then once you once you

675
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 2: get yourself some more time, or to just grip it

676
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 2: and rip it and try to hit it into the

677
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: tight window to Henry. I think what ended up happening

678
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: was is that Soo so was I keep saying sow

679
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 2: so was was getting bullied so badly that Bari was

680
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 2: in his face so he couldn't see on the to

681
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 2: the other side of the line of scrim of who

682
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 2: was open and who wasn't. Kendri Bourne again was wide

683
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: open on the right sideline, but it's open, but it's

684
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 2: it's difficult to make that throw. Those are the one

685
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: play where a more mobile quarterback and somebody that has

686
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 2: a little bit more of that you know, second reaction gameplay,

687
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 2: you know instincts. I think gets out of the pocket

688
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: on that play and tries to tries to save it somehow.

689
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 2: Three point seventy five seconds I need a decision by that.

690
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: That's fair.

691
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: That's a fair nitpick. So that was my one nippick

692
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: of mac. I don't want to go like too long

693
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 2: on that because it's just it wasn't.

694
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: It's one play. He didn't have a perfect game. Neither

695
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: of us are saying it had a perfect game. Right.

696
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: The other thing, I would say, so on the strip sack,

697
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 2: he it's host juke. I think he's looking to to

698
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: Juju on the juke route and what he's either looking

699
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 2: at Juju on the juke route and then was trying

700
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 2: to get to number two, which was a wide open

701
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 2: Kendrick Bourne shocker, or he was trying to manipulate the

702
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: coverage by looking off the help defender to then work

703
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: it to Kendrick Bourne who is wide open chocker. I

704
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 2: don't know which one it was, but either way, I

705
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 2: felt like he was a little loose with the ball

706
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,479
Speaker 2: in the pocket, Like that's probably a play that you

707
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: wouldn't ideally like to end in the strip sacks, especially

708
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: because they were in scoring territory so that you got

709
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 2: to come away with three points there. Now, with that

710
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: being said, I time sacks two point seven seconds for

711
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: andrews Stuber to get dusted by Anibari on that not

712
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: long enough, not long enough to come off the first

713
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: read and get to the second game. The aggression if

714
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 2: it's a quick game throw, if it's a rhythm throw.

715
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: Those usually come out in around two point five to

716
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 2: two point seventy five. But if you're making a full

717
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: field progression read, there's no way you're doing that in

718
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: two point sex.

719
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: And that's a blind side one too, Like you can't

720
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: see that coming. Somebody's got to communicate it.

721
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: So that's that's how I felt about bull sacks. I

722
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: don't really put the strip sack totally on Mac. I

723
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 2: think that that one is a really difficult play to

724
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: put on him. The sausack sausack. I thought that he

725
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: probably could have made it either gotten the ball out

726
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 2: or try to scramble to extend to play a little

727
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: bit and move out off out of the pocket and

728
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 2: make something happen there. The other thing I did not

729
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: like about this game, well, just the offensive line as

730
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 2: a whole. Yeah, but I thought that some of the

731
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: PFF metrics. Not to pick on my guys at PFF

732
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: because I love them, but you're gonna go and look

733
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: those things up and see that Mac Jones only under

734
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: pressure on thirty three percent of his ass feel very so.

735
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,959
Speaker 2: What was happening in a lot of this film to

736
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 2: me was guys were losing or about to lose blocks

737
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: and the ball was either coming out or they lost

738
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: the block in the run game, but the ball went

739
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: the other way like things like that. But what you

740
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 2: can tell when you when you watch the end zone

741
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 2: angle is when guys are struggling and are are falling

742
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 2: off their block or losing the block in pass protection

743
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: and just get lucky kind of that the ball comes out.

744
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: And I thought there was a lot of that going

745
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 2: on specifically, so was rough in this He was better

746
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: in the first game. This one was tough, but I

747
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: would even I would two. Just at the same time,

748
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: that's good for Matt. That's a good sign for Mac

749
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 2: in the passing game because that's how the offense is designed,

750
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 2: is that you're getting the ball out before these guys

751
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 2: can fall off the well. That's sort of my point

752
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 2: is that we talked a lot about on the show.

753
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 2: People ask us all the time, Alex, like, how do

754
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 2: they work around this? How do they get around the

755
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,479
Speaker 2: fact that their offensive line might be a deficiency. We've

756
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 2: talked about scheme ways to you know, passes at the

757
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage, just you know, quick game, RPO screen

758
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 2: like all that kind of stuff. And the other thing

759
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 2: is is that the quarterback's got to be his best

760
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: pass protector, and this is the positive we talked about it.

761
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 2: I thought Mac did a good job of that for

762
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: the most part. I mentioned the one sack where I

763
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 2: felt like he could have gotten the ball are made

764
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 2: a play to get the ball out instead of taking

765
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: the sack, But in general I thought that he was

766
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: solid in that regard. But that that's really where we're

767
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 2: headed with this offensive line. And I think the one

768
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 2: positive thing we did see Mike on went out at

769
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: practice yesterday. I cannot overstate how huge that is. That

770
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 2: on when he's practicing. I think that that tells me,

771
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 2: I know how you feel about this that they feel

772
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: like he's on track for week one.

773
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, if not week one, like two or three, right

774
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: just early in the season. But yeah, I feel better

775
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: about him for week one than I do for cold

776
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: Strange at this point, Yeah, I would say on that.

777
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: So now we get into that conversation where's he gonna play?

778
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: Because the one Bryce spot. I was not impressed with

779
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: the offensive line at all in that game, but Riley

780
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 1: Reef held up at right right guard. I thought pretty well,

781
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 1: he was okay.

782
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I thought he he treaded water. He hasn't

783
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: played right guard a lot in the game and probably ever.

784
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: I mean I was since like college, I went back

785
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 2: to through his entire PFF like snaps by position, I

786
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: couldn't find a guard stack. You do college too, No,

787
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 2: I didn't go that far back. I don't know if

788
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 2: they'd have college that far back, because.

789
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, Yeah, he's been the lead all time.

790
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: The one thing I would say about it again is

791
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: if you need to start having that conversation about Mike

792
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: and win right tackle, yeah, you really do, because I

793
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: don't think they're serious about that, and that's a shame.

794
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: That's a shame. Although let me ask you this. They

795
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: are so big on continuity. Yeah, and Riley Reef continues

796
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: to rep it right guard. Could that be a sign

797
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: that it's you know, it's come, that's the way they're

798
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: back out that it could happen, right If they're gonna

799
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: move him back out to right tackle him being Reef,

800
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:26,919
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you just have him rep And maybe it's

801
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: they want City so to get the reps and it's

802
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: that simple. But for a team that's so big on

803
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: continuity in the offensive line, I feel like you would

804
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: be all right, it's a one for one swap once

805
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: the sky gets back, rather than taking this guy in,

806
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: this guy out, moving this guy over.

807
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: That's that's what I'm holding out help on.

808
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: They're kind of the same. They're same for me.

809
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: They're training that offensive line to basically be Trent Strange

810
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: Andrews Reef. Obviously Strange isn't out there either, but they're

811
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: they're putting Trent Andrews and Reef in the spots that

812
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: they're going to be in week one. Yeah, and then

813
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 2: hopefully you get the two go you know, Strange and

814
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: on win you back. We got one back already, but

815
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: hopefully Strange comes back as well, and then you just

816
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 2: put them into their spots for Mafi and so like that.

817
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 2: That would make That's what Dante Scarnakia would do right.

818
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 2: Scarnekia would not have Reef repping in practice at right guard,

819
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 2: knowing in the back of his mind that he was

820
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 2: going to be playing right tackle and once the season

821
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,959
Speaker 2: came around, that wouldn't make any sense from his point

822
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 2: of view because he's so big, like you just mentioned

823
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: on the continuity and seeing it through the same set

824
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: of eyes and all that kind of stuff. So I

825
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: I don't want to speak for Scar. I'm not Scar,

826
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: but I have to imagine that base off all of

827
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 2: the philosophies that he's ever told us when we've had

828
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 2: him available to the media and things like that, that

829
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: would not make any sense in the Scar rule.

830
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: Boy, And you have a guy in Adriene Clem who

831
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 1: and Bill Adrian Clem played for Scar, and Bill O'Brien

832
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: coached under Scar, and we know that he you know

833
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 1: they'll talk, We know they still talk to him. Yeah,

834
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: so maybe they're Yeah, I think you can't throw out

835
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: at core philosophy Dante Scarneki's Wien looking at it like that.

836
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: So that's why you're right. I'm probably I probably my

837
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: hope's up too much, but I'm still holding out hope

838
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: that week one, Mike, when Win who's in there at

839
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: right tackle, me too, because City so is not ready

840
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: and he's maybe in a year or two they turn

841
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: him into a right tackle, an NFL right tackle, but

842
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: he's not ready to play right tackle now. His pad

843
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: level and his footwork are both bad. It's the footwork

844
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: for me, it's the I go back to that sack

845
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: where he his feet are just flailing on him as

846
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: he's getting pushed back, and yeah, when you're you, you

847
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: talk about this all the time. He's the big if

848
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: you want to play tackling, you're a big guy. And

849
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: he's went six five three thirty three forty sit down

850
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: in the chair, right, it's go there, get back and

851
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: basically make him run through you. And he just doesn't

852
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 1: have that ability to anchor yet with his feet.

853
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, I agree with you, and I think

854
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 2: it's it's really a pad level thing. It's it's me

855
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: and and hip flexibility to be able to sit down

856
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 2: in that chair. And I don't know if he necessarily

857
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 2: is flexible enough to to to have that technique, like

858
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 2: to be able to actually do that. Know, consistently, I

859
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 2: thought across the board that pad level was a little

860
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 2: bit of an issue in this game for the starting

861
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 2: offensive line. Trent Brown's always going to play up tall,

862
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 2: you know, because he's he's six ' eight, so he's

863
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 2: always going to be a little bit taller than the

864
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: other guys. But in general, I thought I thought that

865
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 2: that was a little bit of a concern. It's I'm

866
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: not as concerned now that I've seen big mic in

867
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 2: out there. I practice in a big help. Yeah, it

868
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 2: definitely eases a lot of stress about it, but it

869
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 2: still remains a question mark. All right, there's no chance

870
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 2: he plays tomorrow, right, I know he hasn't. He barely

871
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 2: had in practice. But I do think that we will

872
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 2: see him week one. I think he's gonna be ready

873
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 2: to go because they have two full weeks of practice

874
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 2: after this. Remember to get him ready, all right. Last

875
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 2: I think I did not like, and then we'll take

876
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: some of the calls and move on to the roster stuff.

877
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 2: Last thing I did not like was just in general,

878
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,959
Speaker 2: the overall compete in just execution by the defensive front

879
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 2: seven in this game was bad. It was good, it

880
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: was just bad. I really appreciated Devon Gotshaw yesterday. I

881
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 2: asked him a few questions about it. I said, what

882
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 2: did you see on the on the Packers film?

883
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: And he said, a whole lot of getting better to

884
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: do so, So I feel comfortable telling them that they

885
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: were bad because I think they recognized it just as

886
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: much as all of us did. I think the biggest

887
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: things were one God Show. I think Bentley is such

888
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: a big piece of it for Gouag Show and god

889
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: Shows is a big, big, piece of it for Bentley, right, Like,

890
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: I think those two guys are are really in lockstep

891
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: and how they defend the run.

892
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 2: But I thought in general, the ability to get off

893
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 2: blocks and defeat blocks one on one, and this game

894
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 2: was bad and then the linebacker level was a mess.

895
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 2: Mac Wilson was not good July to Vay. I know

896
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: he's dealing with a lot of things off the field

897
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: with Hawaii and things like that, but he also not

898
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: his his best game either. But uh, mack Wilson is

899
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: he is he gonna make this team as we kind

900
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: of go to our roster side of things, I don't,

901
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: I don't know.

902
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I had him as is one of my

903
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 1: my last cuts just on on the defensive line real quick, yeah,

904
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: I I yeah. It would have helped if they had

905
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: Juwan Bentley. But you saw Devone Godshaw just getting moved

906
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: in the run.

907
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 2: So he's playing the nose and he's getting those combo

908
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 2: blocks and normally Bentley is coming downhill and he's occupying

909
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,959
Speaker 2: one of those one of those blockers, right, usually the guard.

910
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: So that gets the guard off of Godshaw and that

911
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: allows Godscha the now have a one on one, So

912
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 2: that That's how it kind of fits together. And look,

913
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 2: if mac Wilson's gonna play that Mike spot and he's

914
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: not gonna come downhill and I press the guard off

915
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: of God Show, then Goshaw is gonna get pushed five

916
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 2: yards off the widest scrimmage. That's just what it's gonna

917
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 2: look like.

918
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: But look, I mean, I think they recognize that they

919
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: maybe need more run defense because they try they try

920
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: to sign Mark one. Obviously that didn't work out. But yeah,

921
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: that's gonna be my biggest thing to watch Friday night.

922
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: And it's another good test of a running to good

923
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: running team. And the Titans and Derrick Henry, how do

924
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: they look defending the run? They were a good run

925
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: defending team last year. It was an issue and they

926
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: brought everybody back.

927
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: They were a good traditional run defense last year, like

928
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 2: if you had a mobile quarterback, right, No, But.

929
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: But they were getting beat on traditional runs against the Packers,

930
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. So I want to see. I'm

931
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: not sitting here saying it's time to raise the alarms

932
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: about the run defense or anything in terms of the season.

933
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: But put that to bed. You had bad tape last week.

934
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: Put it to bed.

935
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: I would also say that it wasn't just the run defense,

936
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: Like the pass rush was really vanilla. They blitzed a

937
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: couple of times from the second.

938
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that I think is more of a preseason thing though,

939
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: So but they couldn't get a one.

940
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 2: They didn't win one on one either, you know, Judon

941
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 2: Wise bar more even but I had a couple, but

942
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 2: it wasn't It wasn't his normal performance.

943
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: But did you also see them like using moves? No,

944
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: And so this is just well, again I'm saying preseason.

945
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 2: So this is my next thing that I don't like.

946
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 2: Yeah about this, we can chalk it up the preseason.

947
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: But as we do in this industry, we find things

948
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: to be concerned about. We can chalk it up to

949
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 2: being preseason. And I fully agree that the blitzer, like

950
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: everybody says, oh, they blitzed a lot in this game.

951
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: They they had a lot of five man rushes in

952
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 2: this game. They added a linebacker from the second level

953
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: to try to present some one on ones to their

954
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 2: top guys. But they weren't running zero blitzes. They weren't

955
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 2: running like Ambazz, they weren't running any of the exotic stuff.

956
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 2: This was really basic blitz like we're gonna blitz the

957
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 2: linebacker up the middle and a guarter or running back

958
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 2: is gonna take them, and that's gonna create one on

959
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 2: ones in other places. That was it. It wasn't really

960
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 2: anything to too schematically heavy. Are they There basically no

961
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: line games in this which is very rare for them,

962
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 2: you know, no stunts, no twists, no picks up front.

963
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: That's very rare. That's their defense, that's the that's their rush.

964
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 2: So on the one hand, I think you can be

965
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: concerned about the fact that are they gonna get are

966
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,959
Speaker 2: guys gonna win one on one against good offensive lines?

967
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 2: Because the Packers do have a good offensive line. Even

968
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 2: though bak Tiari wasn't out there, the rest of those

969
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 2: guys are pretty good. The other concern I have about

970
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 2: it is that the plan against the Eagles, No, I

971
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: I don't think so, because the Eagles, you know, we've

972
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 2: seen the mush rush before. And if you had to

973
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 2: ask me, like, if you thought that this was actually

974
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 2: them executing what they were being told to do, what

975
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 2: would that what would you describe it as?

976
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: The mush rush? Is the only thing I can think

977
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: of like that.

978
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: And you add on that fitth rusher because it covers

979
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: all the gaps, right, so now you're not letting the

980
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,959
Speaker 2: quarterback out of the pocket. So I I just that's

981
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 2: my concern. I hope that this is not a precursor,

982
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 2: that this wasn't a game film where they were like,

983
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 2: let's just get ready.

984
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: Let's get Really don't think that's what this was. I

985
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: hope not. I think the Eagles will score forty five

986
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: on them if they play that way. Yeah, I think

987
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: it was a preseason thing. I I think that's all

988
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: it was. I think they're they're doing a prep on

989
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: the on the backfields here. Okay, so let's uh, let's

990
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 1: go maybe one more take from the game. Yes, I'm

991
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: very excited for Jalen Mills this year. Yeah, yeah, he's back.

992
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: When they signed him, I remember we and Kyle Dugger

993
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: hadn't taken off yet, he'd only been here for a

994
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: year when they signed him. I remember we were all like,

995
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: this is Patrick Chungk's replacement. This guy's gonna play in

996
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: the box and he's going to be able to do

997
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: a lot of different things for you defensively. And then

998
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: they put him at corner and he's done both. But

999
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: I always thought in Philly he was better as this

1000
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: kind of rover safety. Yep, and you see it. He

1001
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: has the size and the athleticism, the cover tight ends,

1002
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: great instincts, great instincts. He's not afraid to play physically

1003
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: in the run game, which you don't offense. You don't

1004
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: always see I shouldn't say often, you don't always see

1005
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 1: from defensive backs. He's just so much better when he's

1006
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: coming to the play rather than the play coming to him.

1007
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: And it's another wrinkle, it's another layer for the defense.

1008
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: But he's you could say he's been their best defensive

1009
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: player their two preseason games.

1010
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,439
Speaker 2: I really feel that I would agree. I think he's

1011
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 2: been really good. So I actually maybe I oversold the

1012
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 2: defensive front seven concern. I'm not that concerned about the

1013
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 2: defensive front seven either.

1014
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: I'm not concerned long term. But they didn't play well.

1015
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a bad game. The one thing that I'm.

1016
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: Saying, like, go out Friday night and prove that it

1017
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: was one on.

1018
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: The one thing that I think is legitimate that might

1019
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: be something that we need to continue to monitor is

1020
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: the Devin mccordy situation.

1021
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: They I like how.

1022
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 2: Mills has played, but Mills has played that at a

1023
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 2: high level, more closer to the line of scrimmage. I

1024
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 2: would say, whether it's man coverage against the tight ends,

1025
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 2: whether it's robber rolls like at the intermediate level like

1026
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 2: he you know, he's done a really nice job of that.

1027
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 2: The deep safety spot is still something that I don't

1028
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 2: think that they have a natural.

1029
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 1: Guy at right now.

1030
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 2: They played a lot of Peppers and Phillips, yeah, in

1031
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 2: the split safety role, and I think that that actually

1032
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: did also kind of have a trickle down effect to

1033
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 2: the run defense because those are two of your better

1034
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 2: for the out of the safety group. Out of the

1035
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 2: safety group, I think that those are two of your

1036
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: better run defenders in that group. Pepper's obviously because of

1037
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: his physicality, and I think Phillips is just a heady

1038
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: player in the box that can make up for his size.

1039
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: I didn't love what I saw out of the deep

1040
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 2: safety reps for those guys. Adrian Phillips on the touchdown

1041
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: to to Jayden Reid got completely put.

1042
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: In a blender.

1043
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 2: You had, you know, really lost at the top of

1044
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 2: the defense there. I don't know who's gonna play that spot.

1045
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 2: They don't really have a natural flip and run guy

1046
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 2: to play that spot. And I think all of them

1047
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: are still trying to learn the reads and reading out

1048
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 2: route combinations and where should they help and where should

1049
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 2: they not and things like that. That that's that's still

1050
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 2: a work in progress there on the back end, And.

1051
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: I know that.

1052
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody really thought differently. I think some

1053
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: quiet minority, But they're gonna miss Devin mccordy a lot.

1054
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't think anybody's misconstruing that. Real quick,

1055
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: some breaking news, And I got to ask you if

1056
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: I'm missing something here. Yeah, the Giants or the Cardinals

1057
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: traded Isaiah Simmons to the Giants. What do you think

1058
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons is worth? He's been a bust? You what

1059
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: a seventh round pick? He's been bad? Has even that bad? Yeah?

1060
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: They did they first.

1061
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 2: They they've moved him to like three different positions.

1062
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: They no, no, no, but like he's just been They

1063
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 1: don't have a home for him. He's just been bad.

1064
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 2: If they've tried him at linebacker, they've tried him at safety,

1065
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 2: they tried him at like slot corner. Yeah, it's he's

1066
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 2: been a bust.

1067
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,479
Speaker 1: I didn't think he's been he'd been that bad.

1068
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, all right, let's get to some of

1069
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 2: these calls. Todd in North Carolina, if you're still there,

1070
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 2: thanks for hanging on, Todd.

1071
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 3: Hey, guys, I like what you're saying, and basically what

1072
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 3: you're saying seems to echo what I felt from you know.

1073
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 3: Of course I'm a fan and I watch whatever I can,

1074
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 3: but yeah, I just it's the only thing that's got

1075
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 3: me really nervous about this team is the play of

1076
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,959
Speaker 3: the two lines. And I know you talked a little

1077
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 3: bit about this already, Evan, because I asked this question,

1078
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 3: but I want to hear what the what what? What is?

1079
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 3: What is the catch twenty two opinion? Not the you know,

1080
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 3: the THEFW in progress opinion or whatever it is the

1081
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,959
Speaker 3: PU now And yeah, that's a shot at Matt because

1082
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 3: he answered the phone wrong. That's okay. I don't want

1083
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 3: to hear what you guys think of the line, so

1084
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 3: on both sides and just tell me what you're doing

1085
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 3: is with the respect of how that play is going

1086
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 3: to be.

1087
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: Thanks, guys, Thanks, thanks for the call, And don't throw

1088
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 2: Marine under the bus like that he did. Just fine.

1089
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: The old Patriots Catch twenty two.

1090
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, people still call it PFW in progress. Like

1091
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 2: I was a kid when it was PFW in progress.

1092
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 2: So I don't I don't even know that name. I

1093
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 2: don't even know what that is. It's it's unfiltered anyways. Uh,

1094
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 2: I'm not concerned about the defensive line all that much.

1095
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: I know, I just went on a rant about how

1096
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 2: they played terribly in this game, but they got veteran

1097
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 2: guys up there. I think, honestly, I think a lot

1098
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 2: of those guys were like this is a preseason game.

1099
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how much I really care about any

1100
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 2: of this. I fully expect them to wake up, and

1101
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 2: they have too many good players on the defensive line

1102
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: to be overly concerned about it. I think all those

1103
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: guys are good players far more wise, gotscha obviously, once

1104
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 2: Kean White is out there at full go, I think

1105
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 2: he's gonna be a good player as well. So I'm

1106
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 2: not really concerned about the the defensive line. Offensively, We've

1107
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 2: we've been concerned about the offensive line for six months,

1108
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 2: Like this is like, this isn't a new take, Like

1109
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 2: we've been concerned about it since uh, I mean the

1110
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 2: last season.

1111
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: The last three years. Our number one need for them.

1112
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: The draft has been tackled.

1113
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: Right, so they're gonna the question with the offensive line.

1114
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 2: The bottom line to me is are they going to

1115
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 2: have to cover up one spot or multiple spots? Because

1116
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 2: if all they have to do is cover up right tackle,

1117
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 2: I think that they that can really be figured out.

1118
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 2: It's one spot, slide protection, that way, chip the tight

1119
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 2: end of the back, you know, quick game concepts to

1120
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 2: the other side like that, there's so many ways to

1121
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 2: fix one spot. If we get into the season and

1122
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 2: right tackles an issue, Let's say Cole Strange is hurt

1123
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 2: or isn't out there or doesn't make the year two

1124
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 2: leap and is riding the roller coaster like he did

1125
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 2: last year as a rookie, Like, those are the Those

1126
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 2: are the times are you know, Trent Brown is Trent

1127
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 2: Which version of Trent Brown.

1128
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: Are they getting?

1129
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 2: Those are the times where if you have multiple leaks,

1130
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,479
Speaker 2: now we're in trouble. But if you have one leak,

1131
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 2: I think you'll be okay. And that's why I'm trying

1132
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 2: to be cautiously optimistic that it's gonna be fine. I'm

1133
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 2: not saying it's gonna be a difference making offensive line

1134
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 2: they're gonna be this great San Francisco forty nine ers

1135
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 2: Philadelphia Eagles level unit. But I think that they can

1136
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 2: get away with it if it's just right tackle that's

1137
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 2: a little bit of a deficiency or guard, so whatever

1138
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: spot reef, no offense is playing.

1139
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: I think it's a glass half full, glass half empty thing.

1140
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: What you just said, it's true if they have all

1141
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: their starters, Yeah, this is the NFL. Guys get hurt, right,

1142
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: And when you criticize the offensive line right now, there

1143
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: are a lot of people that will say, oh, you know,

1144
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: it's just backups, they'll be fine. Yeah, but it is

1145
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: the backups. So they're not starting, but they're also not

1146
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: that far away from playing.

1147
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 2: And okay, let me ask you this though, if you

1148
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 2: if so isn't in this equation and the backup that's

1149
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 2: playing is Mafi, because I think Mafi's been okay, Yeah,

1150
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 2: I think I feel better about that, you know.

1151
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: I yeah, yeah, okay, And we would agree.

1152
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 2: We're both in agreement to that. We would much rather

1153
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 2: there be an issue at guard than tackle. Yes, So

1154
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 2: if Mafi is just a replacement level guard as a rookie,

1155
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,280
Speaker 2: I think that they can get away with that. Whereas

1156
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 2: so I think is a true liability.

1157
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: I'm more thinking what if something has Trent Brown? Yeah,

1158
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: they are, because who's the back is the backup left tackle? Stuber?

1159
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: Is it Reef? So is it Conor McDermott, who hasn't

1160
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: been on the field in two weeks. You'd like to

1161
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: hope Calvin Anderson comes back, but if he's on ni FI,

1162
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 1: they lose him for at least the first six weeks

1163
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 1: and then he's got to ramp up. And yeah, even

1164
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: even if they go down at guard, like, all right,

1165
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: if they go down one player, that's Mafy. What happens

1166
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: if they go down to or what happens if Mike

1167
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: won win? Who is it right tackle? So then all right,

1168
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 1: so strangers still hurts, So that's Mafi at one spot.

1169
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: But then who's who's your other guard? No, I guess

1170
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: would be Reef. Okay, that's fair, but still it's they're

1171
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: they're like, it's it's a little bit of a Djenga tower.

1172
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 2: It's a house of cards.

1173
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: It's a little bit of a house of cards, right undred.

1174
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,959
Speaker 2: And I think that the biggest thing about the house

1175
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 2: of cards, Like, obviously I guess the second biggest thing.

1176
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 2: The first biggest thing is everybody's gotta be healthy. That

1177
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 2: that's number one, Yes, number two, but like.

1178
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 1: That's not And I don't want this to come across

1179
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: as uh me rooting for injuries, because I'm absolutely not

1180
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: doing that. I'm just acknowledging their reality of the game.

1181
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,320
Speaker 1: They're not gonna be fully healthy for seven How how.

1182
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 2: Big is Trent Brown for this entire team this year?

1183
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 1: Uh? Top three most important player on the team.

1184
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's like to me, it's it's Mac Jones

1185
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 2: is obviously your most important player, and then I think

1186
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 2: Trent might be number two.

1187
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: I don't might even be Trent over Mac.

1188
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 4: No.

1189
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: Well, all right, let me by the way, Zapi is

1190
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: this okay? That's fair. Zappy's had a bad somebody. I

1191
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: was gonna say, like just just yeah because za zappy

1192
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: summer kind of kills this argument. But like the gap

1193
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: between Trent and let's say, Andrew Stuber, Yeah, in the

1194
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: gap between Mack and Zaby, the gap between Trent and

1195
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: Steuber is much bigger.

1196
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I really feel like Trent is the

1197
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 2: tipping point for the entire offense. If Trent is twenty

1198
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 2: eighteen Trent Brown, then they're going to be a really

1199
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 2: good offense. I fully believe that if Trent Brown is

1200
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 2: the guy that we saw last year, and I know

1201
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 2: he played all every.

1202
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: Game fine last year was fine? Dude.

1203
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 2: How many penalties he had last year? So he was

1204
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 2: only he wasn't that high up on the list of penalties. Yeah,

1205
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 2: he has to be among left tackles.

1206
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: And then he pulled. I know his fall starts alone.

1207
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: Isaiah win even after he'd been out for three weeks,

1208
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:40,919
Speaker 1: was still the most penalized player.

1209
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 2: We know that, but I just feel like they really

1210
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 2: they need a locked in Trent Brown. We all know that,

1211
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 2: but that that cannot be overstated how important that guy is.

1212
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: No Trent Brown is. If he's not one, he's two

1213
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: most important player on the team.

1214
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 2: All right, let's take Eddie from California.

1215
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,959
Speaker 1: What's up? What's up? Guys?

1216
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 3: Hope you having a great day, bart Lack, Bart Avenue,

1217
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 3: you on unfiltered if you're.

1218
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: Still going on? Yeah, yeah, that's still playing. They haven't

1219
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: told the otherwise, So all right.

1220
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 3: I'm on board with you about KB being able to

1221
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 3: be a one thousand yard receiver. I always had high

1222
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 3: hopes for him. It's just sex you know how his

1223
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:24,919
Speaker 3: past two seasons have been with us, But I hope

1224
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 3: this is his breakout here press, what more do the

1225
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 3: two rookies have to do? And who has to flop

1226
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 3: on the wide.

1227
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,399
Speaker 5: Receiver cord to get those two rookies more playing time

1228
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 5: in the regular season?

1229
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 2: Good question, Eddie. Thanks for the call, appreciate it. That's

1230
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 2: a good segue too, because I wanted to get into

1231
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 2: the roster stuff that we wanted to talk about.

1232
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: So Trent Brown was the the fifth most penalized offensive times. Yeah,

1233
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: very high up, but he's behind Tyron Smith. He had

1234
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 1: eight fall star penalties or something. He had six offensive holdings,

1235
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 1: five fall starts to tripping, and an ineligible downfield. But

1236
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: the guys I had him Tyron Smith trip okay, but

1237
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: to be fair to him, the tripping call was just

1238
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: him being tall. Yeah, the guys are ahead of them.

1239
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith's pretty good player. Had ten holdings last year. Yeah,

1240
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: Lennon Dickerson is pretty good player. Yep. Donovan Smith had

1241
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 1: down here. Yeah, and uh Ike mcquano, who was a rookie.

1242
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Quantum might be a bus too. He's had a

1243
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 2: rough camp in Carolina. Anyways, we're not the Carolina Panthers POSSI.

1244
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 1: So when you go by penalties that were actually accepted,

1245
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: three four or five six, Brown is nine.

1246
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 2: I only care about the ones that's fair, all of them.

1247
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 2: I care about all of them. I'm trying to help

1248
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 2: my argument. All right, So wide receiver. You mentioned you know,

1249
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,879
Speaker 2: the young guys and how do they get playing time?

1250
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 2: Things like that. I think that the it's becoming such

1251
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 2: a popular take for the Patriots to keep six wide receivers,

1252
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 2: and now I'm concerned that they're not really not going

1253
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 2: to do it. But I have them with six wide

1254
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,919
Speaker 2: receivers right now. I'm gonna post to my final roster

1255
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 2: projection this weekend after the game tomorrow night. I have

1256
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 2: two reasons to have them with six. One, I just

1257
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 2: think that Douglas and Booty have shown enough to make

1258
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 2: the team. Yeah, And I think that Booty was really

1259
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 2: the the Douglas made the team two weeks into training

1260
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 2: camp that it was obvious that he was an NFL

1261
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 2: player and he was worth keeping. Booty I felt like

1262
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 2: really needed to make it impossible for them to cut him, right,

1263
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 2: Like he had to come out and have just an

1264
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 2: incredible camp in preseason and make it impossible.

1265
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: I still don't necessarily think.

1266
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 2: That he separates down the field all that much, but

1267
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 2: as like a possession receiver that can catch in a

1268
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 2: round with the football, and in a lot of ways,

1269
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 2: he's kind of similar to Kendrick Borne, right Like I

1270
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 2: think that those guys have similar games. I think Juju

1271
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 2: has a little bit of a similar game to him

1272
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 2: as well. So I have him with six wide receivers

1273
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 2: at the moment. I do think there's a world where

1274
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 2: they carry six initially and then Taekwond goes on injured

1275
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 2: reserve to make it technically five.

1276
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: But it was six to begin with.

1277
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 2: That's all the minutia to the question of First of all,

1278
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 2: I'm assuming you have six idea, right, Yeah, so we're

1279
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 2: both with six. I feel like that's the right thing

1280
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,479
Speaker 2: to do for them. The other reason why I liked six,

1281
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 2: so not only just because I think Douglas and Booty

1282
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 2: have shown that they probably should keep six. The other reason, Oh,

1283
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 2: you're getting talked about, Yes, you got you got a

1284
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 2: lower third and everything with your name. Sorry, this is

1285
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 2: totally no one has any clue what we're talking about

1286
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 2: right now. Barth is being talked about.

1287
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,479
Speaker 1: First I think the hub is calling me right now.

1288
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 2: Oh well, too bad. Yeah, we're monopolizing his time right now. Sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyways,

1289
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 2: So the other reason why I have them with six

1290
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 2: as you ignore your phone over there, because you're on

1291
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 2: this show right now, not that show. The other reason

1292
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 2: is because you do have to start looking a little

1293
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 2: bit into the future, and the future right now at

1294
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 2: wide Receiver is Davante Arker and Juju Smith Schuster are

1295
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 2: under contract, and then you also have Taekwon, which.

1296
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: Oh come on, oh no, Bart doesn't want to be

1297
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: in the pit for the boss. Barth is too short.

1298
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: He's not an issue for McCarthy. It's technically true, but

1299
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 1: come on, man.

1300
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, nothing wrong with being short, Kings. That's also objectively,

1301
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 2: that's a pretty good photo of you too, Like is

1302
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 2: it a hate picture? Oh no, they could have used

1303
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 2: a much worse picture than that. Come on, we both

1304
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 2: know that they could have used the worst picture than that.

1305
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 2: After this year, they have Kendrick Bourne as a free agent,

1306
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 2: so they have DeVante Parker, Juju and Taekwon under contract

1307
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,479
Speaker 2: besides the rookies. I think you got to think about

1308
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 2: it from a long term point of view, as well

1309
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 2: a twenty twenty four point of view, and beyond, if

1310
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 2: Kendrick Bourne ends up pricing himself out of New England,

1311
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 2: if Juju ends up not being very good, which we

1312
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 2: haven't really seen a ton out of Juju. I think

1313
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 2: those things to add up to keeping those guys around.

1314
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 2: Are you focused on this right now or are you

1315
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 2: lost in your appearance on No?

1316
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: Sorry, he's saying that I am of a lack of

1317
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: height and a bad back. Half of that is true.

1318
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 2: The lack of height is definitely true. I didn't know

1319
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 2: about the back part.

1320
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: I don't know where that's coming from. I don't know.

1321
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: I think they're just making fun of you. Yeah, probably great.

1322
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 2: It's good airtime for you though. Yeah, we're talking so

1323
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 2: beyond beyond this year. They don't have a ton of

1324
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 2: confirmed assets at wide receiver, which I think it makes

1325
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 2: it worth it to keep Booty in Douglas around, even

1326
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 2: just as a developmental.

1327
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: This is not a team that can afford to quit

1328
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: on wide receiver talent. Yeah, plain and simple, like, they can't. Yeah,

1329
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: they can't do it. So even if you think, all right,

1330
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: Booty's ear away, you're gonna need him next year. And

1331
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: if they let him go, and he goes somewhere else

1332
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,439
Speaker 1: and he's producing. They just can't afford that, so they

1333
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: have to keep. Now, if Thornton's really hurt, you keep

1334
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: six you I, and then you I are Thornton right away, right,

1335
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: and then that's how you get the third tight end

1336
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: or another linebacker corner or whatever.

1337
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 2: First of all, before we move on, because this is

1338
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 2: very distracting. Yes, you and McCarthy are deciding to go

1339
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 2: to bull shows. I thought that you like had a

1340
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 2: reason to go to ball shows because I want to

1341
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 2: go to bull shows. Yeah, isn't it the same show?

1342
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 3: No?

1343
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 1: He does different setlists every night.

1344
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I guess I can.

1345
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he'll do like there will be some songs.

1346
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: He's gonna play Born to Run at bullshit. He'll play

1347
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: Born to Run a bull shows. But i'd say about it.

1348
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: I'd say about half the setless changes about half the songs.

1349
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 2: But he doesn't play Born in the USA, right, That's

1350
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 2: what you told me.

1351
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: Rarely, rarely in the US. He'll play it internationally, all right?

1352
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: All right? Uh, barthlmake gets some deep cuts tonight? Who knows?

1353
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, finally they're moving on from talking about him

1354
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 2: so he can focus on the show that he's live.

1355
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 1: On the air. Dues right now, Sorry, the.

1356
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 2: Second thing you know they wanted. So we're both at

1357
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 2: six receivers. Yeah, like in them keeping Booty in Douglas.

1358
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 2: To answer Eddie's question, I think we both feel the

1359
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 2: same way about Pop Douglas's role and how he can

1360
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 2: get on the field as a rookie. He's the shiftiest,

1361
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 2: gadgetyest slot receiver that they have. He's got a little

1362
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 2: bit of that Edelman in them, but he's also got

1363
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 2: a little bit of speeded like. He has a projected

1364
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 2: role because the rest of their guys born Parker Juju

1365
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 2: are longer, you know, longer striders, bigger guys, physical guys,

1366
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 2: guys that win at the catch point.

1367
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: Douglas is a jitterbug. So you can see how his

1368
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 1: style is complimentary to the other three that are going

1369
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: to play, gives them something they don't have. Yes, Booty,

1370
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if he does.

1371
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 2: So if you're keeping Booty as the fifth receiver of

1372
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 2: the sixth receiver, depending on how it all shakes out

1373
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 2: with Taekwon, I think he's a stash.

1374
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: A little bit, right, I mean he's really good depth.

1375
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: I think in terms of a fourth receiver, fifth receiver,

1376
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: he's a really good option. They've had him out there

1377
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: on kick return, so he'll maybe give you some some

1378
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: reps on special teams. He's a little bit of a stash,

1379
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: but what's wrong with that. Yeah, this is a team

1380
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 1: that has struggled to find receivers. I think that that

1381
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 1: they can afford to stash a guy that they should do. That,

1382
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: they should take the chances they need to take to

1383
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: hit on a receiver because his upside is significant.

1384
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree, I think that you you keep

1385
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 2: him anyways, all right, running back, I want to talk

1386
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 2: a little bit about the running backs. I think there's

1387
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 2: obviously there's two locks. Zeke and Remandre are your two locks.

1388
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 2: Then you get into I feel like, as a in

1389
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 2: the second year with a fourth round pick with Pierre Strong,

1390
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 2: I think you keep those guys. Usually they never cut

1391
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 2: fourth round picks as rookies, right, A fourth round Yeah,

1392
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 2: fourth round pick in the second year. I'm sure it's been.

1393
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 2: It's happened before. I think it happened with one of

1394
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks that they drafted in the fourth round.

1395
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: Actually, but yeah, well, also men they've done it, I

1396
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 1: mean beyond the fourth round. Like Duke Dawson. I guess

1397
01:03:58,360 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: he was cut, he was traded.

1398
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that they. I think peer Strong is

1399
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 2: gonna be on this team. I think so too, So

1400
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 2: the question really boils there's also.

1401
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: That element with him, like with Douglas, if he gives

1402
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: them something they don't have in terms of the speed

1403
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: at running back.

1404
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 2: Right, So then the question boils down to do they

1405
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 2: keep four at running back? And the fourth that competition

1406
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 2: would obviously be JJ Taylor, Kevin Harris, Time Montgomery.

1407
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. Depending.

1408
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 2: I know they call Time Montgomery a wide receiver and

1409
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 2: need whatever, but that do you think it's worth it

1410
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 2: to keep a fourth running back on the team. I

1411
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 2: lean towards them keeping a fourth running back simply because

1412
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 2: they pretty much always do Yeah, especially since that that

1413
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 2: Cordero Patterson Steven Jackson era where they had to like

1414
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:43,959
Speaker 2: scrap for running backs at the end of the year.

1415
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 2: They pretty much always keep four. So I lean towards

1416
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 2: that direction. And if I had to pick right now today,

1417
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 2: I picked JJ Taylor.

1418
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 1: I think J J.

1419
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 2: Taylor has done enough. And I also think you just

1420
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 2: mentioned that Pierre Strong brings a different element. I think

1421
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 2: so does JJ Taylor. And I think that he's improved

1422
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 2: significantly in the passing game and blitz pick up and

1423
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 2: ability to stand up against blockers at five foot six.

1424
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 2: I've been impressed with him this summer and I think

1425
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 2: that he's earned a spot.

1426
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I want to see what he I

1427
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: feel like it's still open. I want to see what

1428
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: he does Friday night. But he definitely Kevin Harris, you

1429
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 1: can get on the practice squad. It really, to me,

1430
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 1: all comes down to what do they think of Time Montgomery?

1431
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: Do they trust Time Montgomery? If they give him a

1432
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 1: roster spot, will he stay healthy? Will he be available?

1433
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: Cause can they practice squad JJ Taylor again or are

1434
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: they gonna have to use one of those veterans spots?

1435
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 2: No, No, they can, I think I know they can't.

1436
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 2: Be Like So he's in year three, so no three,

1437
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 2: four so four? Yeah, because he's the camere. He's COVID

1438
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 2: year twenty one, twenty twenty.

1439
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: Two, this fourth year, so this is fourth year. So

1440
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: I just don't know, is he I always forget.

1441
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 2: If it's four or more or if it's four plus,

1442
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 2: But the rule is four accrued seasons yeah, so once

1443
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 2: you hit four, you become a vested veteran. I think

1444
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 2: because he's heading into year four, I believe that he

1445
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 2: still has to go through waivers.

1446
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so yeah, I wonder what will happen with him.

1447
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 1: But to me, it all comes down to Toime Montgomery.

1448
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: Where they at with him? Do they trust him to

1449
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 1: stay healthy because he is the best, Like he's the

1450
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 1: best player of the group, and I don't think anybody

1451
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 1: would debate that, But are you going to keep him

1452
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: risk losing JJ Taylor and then you know toy Montgomer

1453
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: gets hurt in two weeks and now what right?

1454
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 2: It's also tough because time Montgomery is not is not

1455
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 2: going to run the ball like you're not handing the

1456
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 2: ball off the time.

1457
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: They used him like that last year, but they have.

1458
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 2: They haven't this in this summer, but they really haven't.

1459
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 2: He's been working out with the wide receivers, like he's

1460
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 2: been going through positional drails with the wide receivers.

1461
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 1: He's well, okay, so maybe does it become this if

1462
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 1: they think he's a receiver, does he essentially get bumped

1463
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 1: by Douglas and Booty Montgomery? Yeah?

1464
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 2: I currently have Montgomery off the team.

1465
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 1: I have him off too, but I hadn't considered it

1466
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: in that. Yeah, you're right though, if he's repping, they

1467
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 1: might that is carrying a seventh receiver, not his carrying

1468
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: a fourth running game.

1469
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I could. I could see that. Where

1470
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 2: are That's also a.

1471
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 1: Spot where if somebody gets cut loose elsewhere, I could

1472
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 1: see them bring somebody.

1473
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, where are we with Kevin Harris?

1474
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 1: You can get him on the practice squad. Yeah, he'll

1475
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 1: play this year. I mean he'll he'll end up, whether

1476
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: it's an elevation, whether it's getting signed after guys get hurt,

1477
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 1: like he'll be here. But they got him on the

1478
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 1: practice squad last year. I don't think he showed anything

1479
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: last year. I don't think he showed anything in camp

1480
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:25,919
Speaker 1: that like you're gonna risk losing him. So I think

1481
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 1: he's just back on the practice He's three and a

1482
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: half yards in a cloud of dust.

1483
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 2: That's Kevin Harris. I think he has some ability to

1484
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 2: push the pile because he's a bigger back, but in

1485
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 2: terms of actually breaking tackles and his creativity with the

1486
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 2: ball in his hands is very very pedestrian. So I

1487
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 2: agree with you on that. In the practice squad. I'm

1488
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna keep vouching for J. J. Taylor.

1489
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 1: I am. If he has another game Friday night like

1490
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 1: he had the other night, I'll put him on. Yeah.

1491
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 2: I think that he should have a real shot. Like

1492
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 2: I feel like he deserves a real shot. I think

1493
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 2: he's improved his game significantly, and if he gets waived

1494
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 2: here then I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a

1495
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 2: shot at somewhere else.

1496
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: Just the big thing with him that I've seen that

1497
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 1: I want to see again this week is the pass pro.

1498
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:09,479
Speaker 1: And you know, when a guy's five to six, what's

1499
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:12,439
Speaker 1: that going to look like to see? And he's making

1500
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 1: plays in passpro. We already talked about the offensive line.

1501
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 1: We know what that situation is if he wants to

1502
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 1: be or he's gonna have to pass block. So that

1503
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 1: to me is what makes a break set for him.

1504
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 1: He can catch the ball, he can make guys miss.

1505
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: We know that, Yeah, he's gonna be able to show

1506
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: up and pass pro.

1507
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 2: My throat is you know, hour plus in, we're starting

1508
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 2: to get to the throat issues, all right. Anyways, So

1509
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,720
Speaker 2: we did running backs, did receivers. I think we're We're

1510
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:35,639
Speaker 2: pretty much on the same page on both of those.

1511
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,640
Speaker 2: We might be on different pages on tight end. I

1512
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 2: know your last projection had tight end just with two guys, right,

1513
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 2: it was Henry and Kaseki are obvious. I've gone this

1514
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 2: was one of the hardest decisions I make on the

1515
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 2: roster projection. I've gone back and forth on tight end

1516
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 2: like seventeen times. On the one hand, I can see

1517
01:08:57,800 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 2: that it's a lot like last year, where they have

1518
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 2: two established veteran tight ends that they're paying a lot

1519
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 2: of money to that are gonna eat up all of

1520
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 2: the snaps and Henry and Gasiki. But on the other hand,

1521
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:10,680
Speaker 2: they are neither one of those guys is really a

1522
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 2: good blocker, and both of those guys get hurt sometimes,

1523
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 2: especially Kasiki is hurt. Yeah, so carrying two tight ends,

1524
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 2: I understand the philosophy that Socle firkser those guys are

1525
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 2: practice squad guys that could probably get through to the

1526
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 2: practice squad. But I think that there's something to be

1527
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 2: said for Socle, who's made a case as an inline

1528
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 2: blocker certainly the best in line blocker that they have

1529
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:41,440
Speaker 2: in camp, and Foster has made a case with his versatility,

1530
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 2: and yes, we ran a great route yesterday on Drebrial.

1531
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 2: Pepper's not that I'm gonna put him on the roster

1532
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 2: because of a one route in practice, but he's got

1533
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 2: that versatility to line up in different spots. He can

1534
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 2: run routs, He's a little bit of a nimble guy.

1535
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 2: And then their Socle, who's just your typical blocking tight end,

1536
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 2: blocking specialist, can play on first down and short yardage.

1537
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:05,639
Speaker 2: Where are you at tight end? I, Like I said,

1538
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 2: I go back and forth on this.

1539
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 1: I still think they keep too because again you can

1540
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 1: get so call and firks run the practice squad and

1541
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 1: elevate them as you need. Now, if they do find

1542
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 1: a roster spot, so elevates you need. They're different players,

1543
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 1: so you're gonna elevate based on the matchup and week

1544
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 1: one I would think would be the better blocking tight

1545
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: end Matt Socle. If they find an extra roster spot,

1546
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 1: maybe it's something where Sol calls on the roster for

1547
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 1: week one and then gets cut and move back to

1548
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 1: the practice squad and they bring somebody else in for

1549
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 1: week two. But I don't think there's gonna be like

1550
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: a third consistent tight guys might pop on the roster

1551
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 1: here and there, But I don't think there's gonna be

1552
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 1: a third tight end on the roster consistently this season.

1553
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 1: They'll just bring guys up from the practice squad, sign them.

1554
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 1: I need them. I hear you.

1555
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 2: I'm right now. I'm leaning towards putting Ferkster on. I

1556
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 2: think he's done enough to warrant it, and I think

1557
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 2: that it at least has in your back pocket the

1558
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 2: option to play him at full back, like it's at

1559
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:00,040
Speaker 2: least in your.

1560
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 1: Actually do they want that option though? Do they care?

1561
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 2: I think in certain situations they might on the goal line,

1562
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 2: goal line short.

1563
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 1: They've done this for using card or I don't like that.

1564
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 1: I don't mind. Give me a real full back. You

1565
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 1: were campaigning for real full back. I love full backs,

1566
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:19,599
Speaker 1: and I'm the one who's gonna sit here and say

1567
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 1: you can just find a big body to block for

1568
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 1: a couple of plays.

1569
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 2: I think, and I will always stand by this, and

1570
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 2: I get that there's ways to do it without a

1571
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 2: full back, but I feel that there's real schematic advantages

1572
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 2: to having a full back, real schematic advantages.

1573
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:38,839
Speaker 1: In the context of their offense.

1574
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 2: They're gonna still run under center. I would say probably

1575
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:47,599
Speaker 2: thirty percent of the time. So yeah, I think there's

1576
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:51,679
Speaker 2: a real the real schematic advantage, of course to having

1577
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:53,600
Speaker 2: a full back is that when he lines up in

1578
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 2: the backfield, he can go either direction. He can go

1579
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 2: left or right, so you can add a block to

1580
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 2: either either direction of the formation, Whereas when you have

1581
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 2: a two tight ends, they have to line up somewhere

1582
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 2: on the line and they're there right like they're not.

1583
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 2: You can motion them across and things like that, but

1584
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 2: it's easier to do it from the backfield. I just

1585
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 2: I feel like that was a missing ingredient for them

1586
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 2: last year in short yardage and a big reason why

1587
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 2: they weren't as good of a short yardage team.

1588
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:21,679
Speaker 1: I just don't see how it fits in the context

1589
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 1: their current offense. I think it's gonna become a massive

1590
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 1: tell when you put the fullback out there.

1591
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably. I mean it was a massive tell with McDaniels,

1592
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:31,679
Speaker 2: but still worked fatill worked all right.

1593
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 1: So you can also in the games you want that

1594
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 1: you just elevated from the practice one. Yeah, I don't know.

1595
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 1: I'm a sucker for the full back.

1596
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 2: I like it. I think good, you know, McDaniels Shanahan

1597
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 2: like guys that are no A million times more about

1598
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 2: offense than I do, or our proponents to the full back.

1599
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 2: So that's good enough for me. Offensive line this one.

1600
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 2: So last year they only kept eight offensive linemen. Initially,

1601
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 2: I feel like that's a little thin for this team

1602
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 2: just because of all the uncertainty along the offensive line.

1603
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 2: I think you do want to keep your depth, but

1604
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 2: you're gonna keep the five guys we've been talking about,

1605
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 2: Trent Brown, Cole Strange, Andrews, on Wen new Reef. Those

1606
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 2: guys are all going to be on the team. I

1607
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 2: think the three rookies are going to be on the team. Yeah,

1608
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 2: So keep doing that, so Mafi, Jake Andrews. So the

1609
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 2: question is that's eight and they kept the eight last year?

1610
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 2: Does Connor is Connor McDermott worthy of a ninth guy spot?

1611
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 2: I my guy Chasing Hines, is he worth the ninth spot? Like,

1612
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:29,679
Speaker 2: so I keep nine guys.

1613
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 1: They're handcuffed into keeping eight. I almost feel like they

1614
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:35,559
Speaker 1: have to keep a third tackle because Trent Brown's one, right,

1615
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 1: so is two? But he's a project. Yeah, maybe Riley

1616
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 1: Reef is three, but if he's at guard, he's at guard. Yeah,

1617
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 1: so that's either McDermott or if Calvin Anderson gets activated.

1618
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 1: Calvin Anderson, but I do feel like they kind of

1619
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 1: have to keep another another tackle. Yeah.

1620
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:50,680
Speaker 2: I have it at nine right now, and I have

1621
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 2: it with Connor McDermott. I just say simply because I

1622
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 2: don't know if Calvin Anderson's going to be here, so

1623
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 2: I I you know, I'm want to say be here,

1624
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 2: I mean healthy and be a vailed. So I have

1625
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 2: it with Niam. With McDermott moving over to the defensive

1626
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:07,560
Speaker 2: side of the football here, not a whole lot of questions,

1627
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 2: I don't think. I think there's some guys on the

1628
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 2: defensive line, like is Sam Roberts gonna make this team?

1629
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 2: Is Carl Davis gonna make the team? Or is he

1630
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 2: gonna be somebody that gets cut and then brought back.

1631
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 2: They love Carl Davis. I think credit to where credit

1632
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 2: is due. Your your boy, one of your boys. Jeremiah

1633
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 2: Farms has had a really good two film, you know,

1634
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:31,639
Speaker 2: two pre preseason games of run defense. He's been really good.

1635
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:33,680
Speaker 2: I don't think it's enough to make the team. I

1636
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 2: think he's a practice squad guy that if they had

1637
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 2: to play him in a game because the injuries. He

1638
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 2: would be a good depth but he's made a little

1639
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 2: bit of a push. But for the most part, that

1640
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 2: group is pretty solidified because you have all the veteran locks.

1641
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:49,599
Speaker 2: I think the only one that could be the surprise

1642
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 2: cut of the of the year is Lawrence Guy or

1643
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 2: maybe a trade. But I still think that they keep on.

1644
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 2: They hold on to Lawrence Guy.

1645
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna hold on him too.

1646
01:14:59,040 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1647
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, the leaders and all that, I think he'll be here.

1648
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 1: I wonder, like Carl Davis, could they get him on

1649
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 1: the practic squad and bring it back when they need

1650
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:06,639
Speaker 1: And he's kind of had, you know, a rough couple

1651
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 1: of games here. So I also that's another spot where

1652
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 1: I think they could go external. We already saw them try, right,

1653
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 1: We saw them try to sign mark Ron mccauch bey

1654
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 1: before he failed the physical. So I do think that

1655
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 1: defensive tackle is a spot that's still sort of up

1656
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 1: in the air. The other spot that.

1657
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 2: I I think just in general, because they have so

1658
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 2: many bodies in the defensive backfield at safety and at corner,

1659
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 2: Guys like Sean Wade, Joshua Bledsoe like these are the

1660
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 2: guys that are kind of on the bubble right now

1661
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 2: at corner than obviously the two rookie corners. We don't

1662
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:40,560
Speaker 2: know what's going on with Isaiah Bolden. My guess is

1663
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 2: that he's gonna red shirt the year would be my assumption,

1664
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 2: but that's just a guess a mere Speed. I don't

1665
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 2: know if he's done enough to make the they make

1666
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 2: the team. I know that Patriots fans are I know

1667
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 2: a lot of Patriots fans are sick of Miles Bryant.

1668
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:00,600
Speaker 2: I get it, Miles Brian's making this.

1669
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 1: Team astely making the team.

1670
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And honestly, I think Miles Brian's been really good.

1671
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 1: He said very good somehow. Yeah.

1672
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:10,799
Speaker 2: So I think that playing him less at like true

1673
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 2: slot corner where he's asked to cover receivers is gonna

1674
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 2: help him. He's been really really good all summer long,

1675
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:21,719
Speaker 2: and I think that he's gonna be uh, he's gonna

1676
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 2: one hundred and ten percent. Like I would almost put

1677
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:26,639
Speaker 2: him in the lock category at this point of being

1678
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 2: on the team. But where do you have some of

1679
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 2: those fringe dbs, like a Speed, like a Bolden, like

1680
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:35,599
Speaker 2: a Wad Joshua Bledsoe. I think those are some other

1681
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 2: guys that are kind of on the bubble.

1682
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 1: I have bloodsoe On that's another guy I think they

1683
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:41,520
Speaker 1: just really like. And he's played a ton with the starters,

1684
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 1: so I think they've planned for him to make the

1685
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 1: team those other defensive back unless something happens where you know,

1686
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones has to open the season on IR, which

1687
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 1: I don't think is gonna happen. Yeah, I have it,

1688
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 1: just as the five corners, just Gonzales, John Jones, Marcus Jones,

1689
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 1: Jack Jones, and Miles Bryant. Yeah, I think that's the list.

1690
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:00,760
Speaker 1: I don't know that a mere speech on me quite

1691
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 1: that much. Like, again, that's another guy you can get

1692
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 1: on the practice squad and elevat. I know people are

1693
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 1: gonna say, you're talking about elevating ten practice CUD players

1694
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 1: of each game. You can only do too. You pick

1695
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: it based on the matchups. Maybe he gets signed later on,

1696
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:15,679
Speaker 1: but him, Sean Will called him a developmental player yesterday.

1697
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that doesn't really him.

1698
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 1: Him and Sean Wade I think are just kind of

1699
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 1: like just just on the uh on the outside looking in. Yeah.

1700
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 2: I think Sean Wade's had a sneaky good summer. I

1701
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:27,679
Speaker 2: know he got beat on the touchdown last week against

1702
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 2: Green Bay. But I think he's been pretty good this

1703
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 2: summer because they've been playing him in his real position.

1704
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 1: But the problem is, like, yeah, which is the slot.

1705
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 1: They have enough slot corners they need a boundary game.

1706
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 2: So the only reason why I think he's got a

1707
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 2: legitimate chance to make the team is because all their

1708
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:42,599
Speaker 2: slock corners are tiny and he's He's six foot one,

1709
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:43,759
Speaker 2: so there's one.

1710
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:45,480
Speaker 1: They would have one slot.

1711
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:49,919
Speaker 2: Corner that that could actually play man to man coverage

1712
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 2: against the slot receiver who's not five foot nine, which

1713
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 2: there's there's something to be said for that, especially against

1714
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 2: certain teams that might have some bigger slot guys that

1715
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 2: they go up against. You might want that there. I

1716
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 2: just think that he's played well enough to maybe make

1717
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 2: the team. I wouldn't be surprised if a team is

1718
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 2: paying attention and has watched the film in the preseason,

1719
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 2: if he's somebody that gets claimed off waivers. If he

1720
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 2: does get cut, so we'll see what happens with Sean Wade.

1721
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 2: I'll give you a couple of minutes on your kickers

1722
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 2: as well, because this is getting a little bit interesting.

1723
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 2: It seemed like it was over. We were almost ready

1724
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 2: to call it. The fat Lady was warming up, and

1725
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 2: now all of a sudden, Berenger had a great game

1726
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 2: in green Bay. Right, he has the two ridiculous kicks

1727
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 2: in Green Bay, but he's been a little bit inconsistent

1728
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 2: in practice. And now Chad Ryland seems like he's dealing

1729
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 2: with something or has the yips. And they've really given

1730
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 2: Nick Folk every single chance to keep his job.

1731
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 1: They have, and they might keep both. I still am

1732
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 1: not rolling out them keeping both here. You you can't

1733
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:59,600
Speaker 1: rule out them keeping both, Evan. I wouldn't put it

1734
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 1: past them.

1735
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 2: We just talked for about twenty five minutes after you

1736
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 2: were done with your Springsteen thing, all right, whatever, Yeah,

1737
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:14,639
Speaker 2: for twenty five minutes about six receivers for running backs? Yeah,

1738
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:20,800
Speaker 2: like nine offensive linemen. Where's the spot for a second kicker?

1739
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think they're gonna try to

1740
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 1: find one. Oh my gosh. If not, they should trade

1741
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 1: Nick Folk because have you seen what's going on like

1742
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 1: around the league. There's not enough kickers, and deeds are

1743
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:30,680
Speaker 1: desperate for a kicker, and they should try. I think

1744
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 1: they could get something for Nick Folk, right, But I

1745
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 1: do too it's still a full rotation. If Ryland wasn't

1746
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 1: a fourth round pick, I'd say it's still an open competition. Yeah,

1747
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 1: but they're not cutting Chad Ryland right, So then why

1748
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 1: are they giving Nick Folks so many chances if they

1749
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 1: know Chad Ryland's going to be here? I think to

1750
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:48,640
Speaker 1: try to earn a roster spot.

1751
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 2: And practice it has to be to try to earn

1752
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 2: a roster spot, because not nobody's watching practice, right, but

1753
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 2: in the games it could be to auditions.

1754
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 1: Okay, but they're doing but they're doing it in practice. Yeah,

1755
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 1: So why else is that happening if they know Chad

1756
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 1: Round's gonna be here, and honestly, he has stuff he

1757
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 1: has to work through. Yeah, I would have loved to

1758
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 1: see him kick the day after going over three and

1759
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:09,639
Speaker 1: see where he's at, But it was Nick Folk's day.

1760
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 1: Why are they letting Nick Folk kick in practice? If

1761
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 1: if Chad Round's gonna be here. I sit off the

1762
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 1: top of this when I teed this up. I think

1763
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:20,719
Speaker 1: that it's still a legitimate competition at kicker. I also

1764
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 1: think that there's a whole lot of respect from Bill

1765
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 1: Belichick's side of things for Nick Folk. He's talked at

1766
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 1: length about Nick Folks knowledge of the game and knowledge

1767
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 1: of the kicking game and how to handle different weather,

1768
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 1: like all this stuff that Nick. He's gushed about Nick

1769
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 1: Folk over the last couple of years. So I think

1770
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 1: I out of respect for that, I think that there's

1771
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna give you a shot. Like, yeah, we drafted

1772
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:44,680
Speaker 1: this kid in the fourth round. I mentioned earlier in

1773
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 1: the show. They never cut fourth round.

1774
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:47,559
Speaker 2: I like all that.

1775
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 1: They literally have never cut a healthy fourth round pick

1776
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 1: hunder Bill Bellichi.

1777
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah that so all that is is true and out there,

1778
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:56,639
Speaker 2: But I think that they they want to give Nick

1779
01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 2: Folk every chance that he can have potentially winning the

1780
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:00,240
Speaker 2: job still.

1781
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 1: Or keep it winning the job or just just earning.

1782
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 1: So it goes to that at large roster spot thing.

1783
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so for people ever, you're gonna have two kickers

1784
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 2: on this team.

1785
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 1: I wouldn't, but they might. You would you? I would

1786
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:15,559
Speaker 1: love it. I wouldn't. You would I wouldn't. I don't

1787
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 1: think it, no, because I know how much it's getting

1788
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 1: under your skin. I wouldn't do it. So let's let's

1789
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:22,439
Speaker 1: play this out.

1790
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 2: Okay, So you're telling me that they're gonna have that

1791
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 2: they might keep two kickers. Fine, fine, So in your

1792
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:33,679
Speaker 2: theory of them potentially keeping two kickers, is it college

1793
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 2: style where you have your long distance kicker and your

1794
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:39,280
Speaker 2: short distance and then kick us or are they gonna

1795
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 2: scratch Ryland every single week and dis roll with Folk.

1796
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 2: I mean they could do what they did in twenty one,

1797
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 2: where they kept Nordine he was an active Week one,

1798
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 2: they elevated. I guess Folk would be on the roster,

1799
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 2: but they could do what they did in week one,

1800
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:54,840
Speaker 2: which what they did in twenty one, which is keep

1801
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 2: both and then ir one right, which would probably be Ryland.

1802
01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 2: I don't think you're keeping Folk to ir them, No,

1803
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 2: but it could also be because the whole thing last year.

1804
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:05,599
Speaker 2: Folk fell off at the end of the year, and

1805
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 2: it was this his age, he's thirty eight or was

1806
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 2: it now he has to handle kickoffs and it's just

1807
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:12,720
Speaker 2: a lot of wear and tear on the leg. There

1808
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 2: may be an element of, well, all right, we have

1809
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 2: Chad rounand here to kick off, so he's gonna do that.

1810
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:19,600
Speaker 1: Nick. Folk's gonna handle field goals and we'll see if

1811
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 1: that regression last year was real.

1812
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:23,880
Speaker 2: And not only are you telling me that they're gonna

1813
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 2: keep two kickers on the act on the FISSI. Yeah,

1814
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 2: you think that they're gonna have two kickers active on

1815
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 2: game day?

1816
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh my. Honestly if they do that and scratch

1817
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 1: them doing that and scratching one is almost worse to

1818
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 1: me if they keep one and eye off if they

1819
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:43,600
Speaker 1: keep two initially an ir one whatever, but yeah, I

1820
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 1: would if you're gonna keep two, then do it. If

1821
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:47,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna do it, do it right. It would kind

1822
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:51,600
Speaker 1: of be my my take on that, okay, And I

1823
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 1: think the idea would be, all right, we're gonna see

1824
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 1: what folk looks like without having a two kickoffs, and

1825
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 1: if he's still struggling and we know it's age regression,

1826
01:22:57,479 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 1: then we cut him. You know, However, many weeks in

1827
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 1: you figure out how you're gonna give. It's gonna be

1828
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 1: the University of New England patriots in Chad Rock the

1829
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 1: New England Hawkeys and Chad Ryland comes in or or

1830
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 1: folks still good then all right, you know, folks, your

1831
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:12,800
Speaker 1: guy from forty in forty five in whatever it is,

1832
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:14,599
Speaker 1: Chad Ryland's your guy from fifty plus.

1833
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 2: And kickoffs geez, all right, all right, that's what it

1834
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 2: would look like, but we do have some some players

1835
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 2: to watch in the Titans game. But I want to

1836
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 2: answer some of these emails as well. We do have

1837
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 2: a few of them. So, uh, here's one about MCCA.

1838
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 2: This is from Adam in California. Hey, guys, I know

1839
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 2: you guys were concerned about max internal clock with pressure.

1840
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:39,599
Speaker 2: If the O line is terrible again this year would

1841
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 2: be damage goods with two years with bad a line play. Also,

1842
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,360
Speaker 2: should you we just move on from guy with the

1843
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,639
Speaker 2: play of the run game. So the first question here

1844
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 2: is just are you concerned that the offensive line play

1845
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 2: could be so bad that it could It could David Carr,

1846
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:59,680
Speaker 2: Mac Jones and for people that are too young to

1847
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 2: get that, reference David Carr. The Texans had a terrible

1848
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:07,439
Speaker 2: offensive line and it ruined David Carr's career because he

1849
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:10,599
Speaker 2: never recovered from the internal clock and YadA, YadA, YadA.

1850
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 2: Can you do you think that that is in play

1851
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 2: for Mac or are you that concerned about it?

1852
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 1: Well, first off, Josh Rosen much much more modern example.

1853
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think Joshon Awesome might have just sucked.

1854
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:28,959
Speaker 1: No, I think that do you remember watching him in Arizona?

1855
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 1: Like he threw from the pop pocket twice in like

1856
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 1: eight games. Yeah, whatever pocket there was. Yeah, I I

1857
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 1: am a little worried about it. I am, And it's

1858
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:41,760
Speaker 1: it's it kind of goes back to last year. He

1859
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 1: was already sped up last year. And that's the thing.

1860
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 1: I think, if he is going to get sped up

1861
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 1: this year, it's gonna happen quicker because he already was.

1862
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 1: I think that there are some elements to scheme around

1863
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 1: it that they can do that will help. But the

1864
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 1: reality is, you go down ten points, you got to

1865
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 1: drop back and throw, Okay, and and and that's what

1866
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 1: you have to do, so I'd be Yeah, I am

1867
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 1: a little worried about it. I'm not saying it's definitely

1868
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:05,680
Speaker 1: gonna happen, but I don't think it's impossible either. I

1869
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:06,719
Speaker 1: think it's a valid concern.

1870
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 2: Okay, this one's from Craig. I agree with you. I

1871
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:12,800
Speaker 2: think it's a valid concern and I but I have

1872
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 2: been cautiously optimistic about max internal clock in the way

1873
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 2: he's handling pressure.

1874
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 1: So I think he's fine right now. I'm not worried

1875
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:23,800
Speaker 1: about him. I think the issues from last year he's

1876
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 1: put to the side, but those are never gonna go away,

1877
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:30,639
Speaker 1: And I just think he's more susceptible to being sped

1878
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:34,559
Speaker 1: up now than the average quarterback because of it would

1879
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 1: be very easy for him to get back in the

1880
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 1: mindset he was in last year.

1881
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 2: Fair all right, Craigan Charlotte asks who's been the most

1882
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 2: impressive Ricky in training camp? Who has come the furthest along,

1883
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 2: And then, of course, because we had to, he asked

1884
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 2: me specifically if I'm ready to admit that I was

1885
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 2: wrong about Keon White?

1886
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 1: So, oh, well, I was gonna say, ke On White's

1887
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 1: probably been the most impressive. Yeah, He's He's just been excellent.

1888
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:01,799
Speaker 1: He's a grown man. He doesn't look like a rookie

1889
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 1: at all. Yeah, very few rookie in practice yesterday too. Yeah,

1890
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 1: so he stud stud like I'm I think I'm I

1891
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:12,080
Speaker 1: might be higher at gonzales Is had a rough couple

1892
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 1: of days. I might be higher on camp White and

1893
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 1: Gonzalez at this point.

1894
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 2: So I think gonzales Is. I think I keep saying

1895
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:22,520
Speaker 2: this because I I I'm trying my best to protect

1896
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 2: the hysteria of it. When Gonzalez has a bad week

1897
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 2: one against AJ Brown and everybody freaks out right because

1898
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:32,440
Speaker 2: there are going to be some growing pains with Gonzales.

1899
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:34,559
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you all that right now.

1900
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:36,680
Speaker 1: It's it's more than I thought they were going to be.

1901
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:39,360
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about him long term, but he's not

1902
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 1: quite as polished though he's twenty one. That's part of it.

1903
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:46,880
Speaker 1: He was an underclassman, right, He's an early declare as

1904
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:48,599
Speaker 1: a junior was he? Yeah? Okay?

1905
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 2: And he's raw. He's still a little bit raw and

1906
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 2: in man coverage when you say Christian, you got this guy.

1907
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 2: He can go step for step with pretty much everybody

1908
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 2: that they put him up against in camp. This sum

1909
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 2: and zone, he's still a little bit wrong. He's easily manipulated.

1910
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 2: His spacing and zone isn't always the best.

1911
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:11,760
Speaker 1: There is.

1912
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 2: His ability to you know, midpoint routes hasn't always been

1913
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:18,040
Speaker 2: the best. There's gonna be some growing pains with Christian Zalees.

1914
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:20,160
Speaker 2: The most impressive rookie, I would agree is ke On White.

1915
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:22,160
Speaker 2: And am I ready to admit that I'm wrong? You

1916
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 2: know I'm stubborn. You know I don't like admitting that

1917
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 2: I'm wrong very often. I'm ready to admit that I

1918
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 2: was wrong about the way that he plays faster than

1919
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:30,880
Speaker 2: I thought he was.

1920
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 1: So the other is a much better motor and he

1921
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 1: plays faster. I will give you the out here if

1922
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:37,559
Speaker 1: you want. I remember we had this conversation like a

1923
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 1: day or two after the draft. I think we had

1924
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 1: it on the show. Yeah, you didn't like the key

1925
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:44,599
Speaker 1: on White pick in the moment, because I remember saying

1926
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:45,920
Speaker 1: this to me. It wasn't so much about him, it

1927
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 1: was about his fit in their defensive scheme. And then

1928
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:52,639
Speaker 1: when they drafted Marte Mapu, which happened twenty four hours later,

1929
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 1: you felt better because it recontextualized what the defense was

1930
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 1: going to look like. Yeah, so that's a fair out.

1931
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:00,240
Speaker 1: I will give you that out.

1932
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 2: So I also think that with Kean, I I really

1933
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 2: truly believed, and I'm still not one hundred percent sold

1934
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:09,759
Speaker 2: that he can play standing up. But I looked at

1935
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:12,920
Speaker 2: a six foot six, two hundred and eighty pound guy

1936
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 2: and said you're going to play him at stand up

1937
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 2: outside linebacker and said, there is no freaking way.

1938
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 1: I never thought they were going to do that.

1939
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:21,839
Speaker 2: And the reason why I feel like I've been swayed

1940
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:24,599
Speaker 2: is because he guy's a freak athlete. Yeah, I don't

1941
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:27,840
Speaker 2: think I realized how quite how athletic he was. He

1942
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 2: did not play or look this athletic at Jordia Tech

1943
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 2: like he didn't look this fluid did sometimes he had

1944
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 2: that one play where he and everybody got to ask

1945
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 2: you this, Did you watch?

1946
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:41,720
Speaker 1: You didn't, But I'm going to ask you anyway out

1947
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:43,680
Speaker 1: you did you watch any of them playing tight ended

1948
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:46,160
Speaker 1: old Dominion? No? If you had watched him playing tight

1949
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 1: ended old Dominion, you would have known. Why would Okay,

1950
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 1: why would you watch that? Because then you see what

1951
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 1: kind of anthlety is. Macro probably watched that, and that's

1952
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:57,600
Speaker 1: why he's here. So lesson learned. For next year, we

1953
01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:58,920
Speaker 1: are going to do a quick thing at the end

1954
01:28:58,920 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 1: of the show that you don't want to do. That

1955
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 1: we're gonna do anyway, and we give you an example

1956
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:03,400
Speaker 1: of why you should do that. You know that.

1957
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 2: That's why they pay Macro, and that's why they pay

1958
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 2: Cam Williams the Big Book.

1959
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 1: But this is the thing about covering the draft. I

1960
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:10,840
Speaker 1: feel like every year I walk away and there's a

1961
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:12,600
Speaker 1: couple of things. I'm like, I should have considered that.

1962
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:14,320
Speaker 1: I would have figured this out had I know, Matt,

1963
01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 1: And you learn and you grow so now you know,

1964
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 1: next year when we get to some of these positions change, guys,

1965
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 1: maybe you don't have to go I'm not saying go

1966
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 1: back and watch all two seasons of him playing. Wanted

1967
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:27,680
Speaker 1: me to watch every target, every snap of tight end.

1968
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:29,479
Speaker 1: Just watch like five ten reps just to see how

1969
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:31,920
Speaker 1: he moves in the open field. He's would have helped.

1970
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:33,880
Speaker 2: He at two hundred and eighty pounds, two hundred and

1971
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 2: eighty five pounds, his Keon White's athleticism is out of

1972
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:38,759
Speaker 2: this world.

1973
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:42,759
Speaker 1: It is crazy. Yeah, like he's an alien. I honestly

1974
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:45,759
Speaker 1: don't understand how he moves that well at that size.

1975
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 1: So because he learned to move that well at like

1976
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:50,960
Speaker 1: two fifty five to six tight end and never lost

1977
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:51,760
Speaker 1: it and then put the way.

1978
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 2: But I still don't know if I if I truly

1979
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:56,480
Speaker 2: love him as a as a three four outside linebacker,

1980
01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 2: I still think he's a little bit big for that

1981
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 2: and it might not show up in a straight line,

1982
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 2: but I think if he gets you know, isolated in

1983
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:05,840
Speaker 2: space with running backs and things like that, it could.

1984
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:08,880
Speaker 2: But I will admit that I think he's going to

1985
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:12,200
Speaker 2: be a regular contributor as a rookie, and I'm just

1986
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:12,800
Speaker 2: too low on him.

1987
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:15,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, he absolutely should. I would agree with that, especially

1988
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:18,320
Speaker 1: like to go back to the Ross projection stuff Anthony

1989
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:20,360
Speaker 1: Jennings kind of being on the bubble. You're gonna need

1990
01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:22,599
Speaker 1: that if he doesn't make the team. That that's your

1991
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 1: strong side early down edge ctter.

1992
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a good player.

1993
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:29,679
Speaker 1: Do you think he's a three down player right now?

1994
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 5: Like?

1995
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 1: I think he can be, I don't.

1996
01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:34,720
Speaker 2: I doubt it because with them, they tend to not

1997
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:36,719
Speaker 2: want to put that much on a rookie's plate.

1998
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:39,320
Speaker 1: Like if he had to be do you think he

1999
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:41,520
Speaker 1: could be right now? Uh?

2000
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:44,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I think he's better against the run still, well, yeah,

2001
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:46,800
Speaker 2: he's gonna be better than the other I think the

2002
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:49,360
Speaker 2: one thing that I think he's still working on is

2003
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:51,559
Speaker 2: is really having a plan with the pass rush and

2004
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:54,000
Speaker 2: and not not just being a bull in the china shop,

2005
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 2: but actually having a a actual plan and then like

2006
01:30:57,240 --> 01:31:02,720
Speaker 2: breaking down makes sense. Great pressure against the Texans, but

2007
01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:04,080
Speaker 2: then C J. Stroud got out.

2008
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:08,200
Speaker 1: You know, he just kind of got r You're pursued, Yeah,

2009
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 1: thank you, that's the word I was looking for. Uh.

2010
01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:15,599
Speaker 2: Donovan here asks about the three quarterback rule. A couple

2011
01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:18,920
Speaker 2: questions here can you now speak to the new quarterback rules. Uh,

2012
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 2: Cunningham considered a lock to be carried on that spot

2013
01:31:22,120 --> 01:31:24,120
Speaker 2: or league rules going to cause them to drop another

2014
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:26,720
Speaker 2: player on the fifty three to keep him. So he

2015
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:28,840
Speaker 2: has to be on the fifty three man roster to

2016
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 2: be the emergency quarterback. Yes, so he has to make

2017
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:31,599
Speaker 2: the team.

2018
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:34,320
Speaker 1: Yes. So it's not an it's not a fifty fourth

2019
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 1: roster spot, right, it's a forty seven.

2020
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:41,080
Speaker 2: It's a forty seventh game day roster spot. I am

2021
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:44,720
Speaker 2: not I am inclined to believe that they are not

2022
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:48,360
Speaker 2: really thinking too much about the three quarterback emergency rule

2023
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:51,800
Speaker 2: at the moment. Obviously we've discussed the ways that they

2024
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 2: could manipulate it to get to use Cunningham.

2025
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:56,880
Speaker 1: But I end up I've come off that take. Yeah,

2026
01:31:56,920 --> 01:32:01,599
Speaker 1: because the thing I've described, if they do it will

2027
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:04,200
Speaker 1: be out lied by October, and I just think you

2028
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 1: can't go into the season with that as your plan.

2029
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:09,960
Speaker 1: I currently have believe cutting him off the team, really

2030
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:13,120
Speaker 1: I do. I have him on because I think they're

2031
01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:18,200
Speaker 1: showing you that they want him on the fact that

2032
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 1: so he's playing quarterback, he's playing receiver, he's cut he's

2033
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:23,680
Speaker 1: playing gunner. He's he's returning kicks.

2034
01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:26,519
Speaker 2: He's running routes at receiver. So I wouldn't say he's playing.

2035
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:28,679
Speaker 1: But what I would say, I think it's this thing.

2036
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:31,479
Speaker 1: They like him as a project. Yeah, and they maybe

2037
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 1: know they can't get him to the practice squad because

2038
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:35,599
Speaker 1: I think there are some teams that might bring him

2039
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:37,840
Speaker 1: in as a third quarterback. If you try to get

2040
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:39,360
Speaker 1: him to the practe squad, there might be some teams that

2041
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:41,439
Speaker 1: put him on the fifty three as a developmental quarterback.

2042
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:44,760
Speaker 1: So it's all right, we got to keep him. How

2043
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 1: do we justify this roster spot knowing he's not ready

2044
01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:50,479
Speaker 1: as a receiver yet. Well, maybe there's some package stuff

2045
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:53,240
Speaker 1: at quarterback. Maybe it's playing special teams. Yeah, when they

2046
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:56,479
Speaker 1: put a guy everywhere like they're doing with him, to me,

2047
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:59,920
Speaker 1: that signals, all right, we're trying to figure out how

2048
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:02,760
Speaker 1: like we're giving you every chance possible to earn this

2049
01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 1: roster spot. And they seem very happy with him, So

2050
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:07,800
Speaker 1: they seem to be signaling to me that they want

2051
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:12,960
Speaker 1: to keep them. Okay, I don't know. It's it sucks

2052
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:15,840
Speaker 1: that the game ended early Saturday, because like it would

2053
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:18,120
Speaker 1: have been nice to see a little more from a quarterback. Yeah,

2054
01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:20,000
Speaker 1: because I think that's really how he earns the ross spot.

2055
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:21,439
Speaker 1: So I hope he plays Friday night.

2056
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:25,000
Speaker 2: If they were I think he could have made This

2057
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:28,200
Speaker 2: is where I feel bad a little bit from cutting him.

2058
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:30,639
Speaker 2: I think he could have made the team as a quarterback.

2059
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:33,600
Speaker 2: I think he could have made the team as a quarterback.

2060
01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:38,560
Speaker 2: I actually think in this case, the receiver thing hurt him.

2061
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:39,479
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

2062
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:42,920
Speaker 2: I think it did because he's not gonna play receiver in.

2063
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:45,519
Speaker 1: The NFL at all. You don't think he can get

2064
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:48,559
Speaker 1: to that now. No, I I haven't seen nearly enough

2065
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:51,120
Speaker 1: to say that definitively yet. Maybe in like two years.

2066
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:54,280
Speaker 1: But right, But in terms of how long did they

2067
01:33:54,320 --> 01:33:56,760
Speaker 1: carry Julian Edelman as a punt returner on a cornerback

2068
01:33:56,960 --> 01:34:00,880
Speaker 1: before he started return was a full time giving Malie

2069
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:03,559
Speaker 1: Cunningham looks at return. This is what I'm saying. They're

2070
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:07,040
Speaker 1: trying to give him ways to justify his roster spot

2071
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:09,040
Speaker 1: in addition to playing receiver. That's why I think they're

2072
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:11,599
Speaker 1: gonna keep him, because they are doing things to justify

2073
01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:14,160
Speaker 1: him keeping that spot on top of being a receiver,

2074
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:16,360
Speaker 1: so they can keep him in the building and develop

2075
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:18,120
Speaker 1: him long term. I understand what you're saying.

2076
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:20,960
Speaker 2: I would have I just I still I said this

2077
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:24,639
Speaker 2: when they sign him as a UDFA, Like, he's got

2078
01:34:24,760 --> 01:34:28,439
Speaker 2: good quarterback instincts, he's got good athleticism and he'll do

2079
01:34:28,479 --> 01:34:30,760
Speaker 2: some of that too. He's got an arm I would

2080
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:33,360
Speaker 2: have just I would have made him a quarterback.

2081
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:35,080
Speaker 1: And if their long term plan for him was to

2082
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:37,160
Speaker 1: play quarterback, he'd be wearing a red jersey practice.

2083
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:39,920
Speaker 2: I don't agree with their long term plan for him.

2084
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:43,040
Speaker 1: Okay, fair, but but but but we're not doing it.

2085
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:44,880
Speaker 1: We're not saying if Evan Lazar was in the room,

2086
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:46,400
Speaker 1: who's he putting on the rosters? Who do we think

2087
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 1: they're gonna put on the roster? This is the semantics.

2088
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:52,040
Speaker 1: But you asked me if I think he's gonna make

2089
01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:52,400
Speaker 1: the roster.

2090
01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 2: Here's my last point on Elie Cunningham. Why why why

2091
01:34:59,160 --> 01:35:02,559
Speaker 2: give all the those quarterback reps to Trace McSorley, Like,

2092
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:03,280
Speaker 2: why what.

2093
01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:05,439
Speaker 1: Are all those he hasn't played in like three weeks? No,

2094
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:08,880
Speaker 1: he but all the reps early in camp and oh

2095
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:13,400
Speaker 1: I I don't know that to me, Like, why is wanted?

2096
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:16,160
Speaker 2: Why not peek at Cunningham there at quarter because.

2097
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:18,280
Speaker 1: They wanted Cunningham to work as a receiver, because that's

2098
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:20,400
Speaker 1: what they want to develop him. That's why, whether you

2099
01:35:20,479 --> 01:35:22,280
Speaker 1: agree with it or not, that's the answer to that.

2100
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:25,240
Speaker 2: I think that there was enough evidence on his Louisville

2101
01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:27,920
Speaker 2: film that he could develop at quarterback. And I think

2102
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:30,720
Speaker 2: that he showed enough in the drive against Houston that

2103
01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:32,040
Speaker 2: he could develop at quarterback.

2104
01:35:32,240 --> 01:35:34,360
Speaker 1: So and he did that and then he started playing

2105
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:37,439
Speaker 1: quarterback more so maybe that was eye opening for them.

2106
01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:43,120
Speaker 2: All right, well, let's speaking of quarterbacks. I didn't want

2107
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:46,040
Speaker 2: to touch on this just briefly because they were they

2108
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:49,040
Speaker 2: were talking about it on your show there, and uh,

2109
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:49,719
Speaker 2: Trey Lance.

2110
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:52,320
Speaker 1: Trey Lances the third quarterback.

2111
01:35:52,360 --> 01:35:55,639
Speaker 2: He lost the backup job to Sam Darnold obviously lost

2112
01:35:55,640 --> 01:35:58,559
Speaker 2: the starting job to Brock Purty. I was a Trey

2113
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:01,559
Speaker 2: Lance guy, I'll hand up. I like Trey Lance in

2114
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:04,240
Speaker 2: the draft. I saw the tools that the Niners also

2115
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:08,080
Speaker 2: saw and traded up like seventeen picks to take Trey Lance.

2116
01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:11,240
Speaker 2: By the way, I have two takes on Trey Lance. One,

2117
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:15,479
Speaker 2: I don't really want to the Patriots making a trade

2118
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 2: for Trey Lance. I think if you make that trade

2119
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:21,120
Speaker 2: for Trey Lance. It's next offseason with a full spring,

2120
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:24,240
Speaker 2: in a full summer. Basically, that trade is for twenty

2121
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:27,240
Speaker 2: twenty four. If you make it now that you're not

2122
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:30,360
Speaker 2: trying to get Trey Lance ramped up to practice and

2123
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:33,360
Speaker 2: play in any games this year, that's not gonna happen, right,

2124
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:34,799
Speaker 2: You're not gonna take them into the scheme.

2125
01:36:35,479 --> 01:36:38,200
Speaker 1: It's you know, you'd have to redesign the entire office.

2126
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:39,559
Speaker 2: The train is already rolled.

2127
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:41,519
Speaker 1: It's it would be more. I agree with you if

2128
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:45,280
Speaker 1: if they are really worried about Mac Jones and they

2129
01:36:45,280 --> 01:36:49,040
Speaker 1: want to hedge their bets, it's another long term optional quarterback.

2130
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:52,040
Speaker 1: That's essentially what it would be. It would be all right.

2131
01:36:52,479 --> 01:36:54,960
Speaker 1: You know, we're not sure if Mac is the guy.

2132
01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:56,519
Speaker 1: The other things. I don't think Trey Lance getting a

2133
01:36:56,560 --> 01:37:00,680
Speaker 1: trader right away. There might be some time where you

2134
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:03,679
Speaker 1: can get into the season and get a better look. Look,

2135
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:06,320
Speaker 1: I've said this before. If Ma's not the guy, and

2136
01:37:06,479 --> 01:37:08,320
Speaker 1: I liked Trey Lance coming out. I liked him as

2137
01:37:08,360 --> 01:37:11,519
Speaker 1: a project player. Yeah, it's kind of we're kind of

2138
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:13,720
Speaker 1: into the project now and I know him in the

2139
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 1: minority on this. Kyle Shanahan Sneaky Bad with quarterbacks. The

2140
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:20,519
Speaker 1: offense is good for quarterbacks. So this was This was

2141
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:21,840
Speaker 1: my other take on Trey Lance.

2142
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:26,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have never seen a team invest as much

2143
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:30,879
Speaker 2: draft capital as the forty nine ers have drafted invested

2144
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 2: in Trey Lance. Draft the kid third overall, Yeah, and

2145
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:36,559
Speaker 2: then bury him on the depth chart.

2146
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:38,920
Speaker 1: Which what are they seeing that they did that? That

2147
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:41,360
Speaker 1: should be a sign that it's not going back. That's

2148
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:42,080
Speaker 1: a fair point.

2149
01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:45,519
Speaker 2: But my my take on it is because I was.

2150
01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:47,760
Speaker 1: I was. I was a big Trey Lance guy. I

2151
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:49,559
Speaker 1: think you had him overfields right.

2152
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:51,280
Speaker 2: No, no, no, not that big.

2153
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:52,759
Speaker 1: No you did at one point.

2154
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:55,400
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no, I had justin Field's number two the.

2155
01:37:55,360 --> 01:37:56,559
Speaker 1: Whole time, as you should have.

2156
01:37:56,720 --> 01:38:01,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Trey Lance, I think was done dirty by the

2157
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:02,559
Speaker 2: forty nine ers.

2158
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 1: A little bit. Yeah, he was well.

2159
01:38:04,280 --> 01:38:06,559
Speaker 2: First of all, they never needed to do that, Okay,

2160
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:11,439
Speaker 2: But the point being that we all knew that he

2161
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:14,200
Speaker 2: was a projection. We all knew it was a project.

2162
01:38:14,439 --> 01:38:17,439
Speaker 2: He hadn't started in any real game since twenty nineteen

2163
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:19,320
Speaker 2: when he was drafted. In twenty twenty one, they had

2164
01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:19,880
Speaker 2: the COVID year.

2165
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:20,599
Speaker 1: He had one game.

2166
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:23,280
Speaker 2: It was terrible, right, And then in twenty nineteen, he

2167
01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:26,200
Speaker 2: was awesome. They run, they won the FCS National Championship,

2168
01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:31,519
Speaker 2: and he was great. Twenty twenty COVID year, North Dakota State, right,

2169
01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:34,760
Speaker 2: North Dakota State only played one game. It wasn't good

2170
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:37,679
Speaker 2: game for Lance. And then twenty twenty one he gets drafted.

2171
01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:42,679
Speaker 2: He has not played meaningful football in like five years.

2172
01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:46,240
Speaker 2: They haven't really they have. He's always been competing for

2173
01:38:46,280 --> 01:38:50,280
Speaker 2: the starting job. Like Bryce Young gets drafted number one overall,

2174
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:54,559
Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson this year gets drafted fourth overall. It wasn't

2175
01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:57,559
Speaker 2: even a conversation, Like Bryce Young was the starting quarterback

2176
01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:00,719
Speaker 2: in Carolina a week in the camp, and now Anthony

2177
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:03,200
Speaker 2: Richardson's been damned the starter two weeks ago, right, So

2178
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:07,200
Speaker 2: it wasn't even a conversation. And we're at the point

2179
01:39:07,240 --> 01:39:10,479
Speaker 2: now where I just feel like he's done dirty by

2180
01:39:10,479 --> 01:39:12,160
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers. I don't think he was ever

2181
01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:15,360
Speaker 2: given the opportunity to really get a fair shake at it,

2182
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:19,320
Speaker 2: and he was the type of player that needed to play.

2183
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:20,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you couldn't like.

2184
01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:23,799
Speaker 2: I get the gap year, like the Patrick Mahomes strategy

2185
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:27,280
Speaker 2: with with Jimmy Garoppolo in twenty twenty one, but just

2186
01:39:27,320 --> 01:39:30,240
Speaker 2: in general with Alex Smith. Well, I'm talking about the

2187
01:39:30,280 --> 01:39:33,679
Speaker 2: Niners of Jimmy Garoppolo. But yeah, it's the Patrick Mahomes model,

2188
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:38,400
Speaker 2: same thing, right, But you he needed to play in games,

2189
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:42,160
Speaker 2: he needed practice reps. He should have gotten every single

2190
01:39:42,200 --> 01:39:44,639
Speaker 2: practice rep that they possibly could have given him until

2191
01:39:45,320 --> 01:39:47,439
Speaker 2: two weeks before the season where they really needed to

2192
01:39:47,479 --> 01:39:50,680
Speaker 2: start to get Jimmy ready. Right, So I feel like

2193
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:52,880
Speaker 2: he was done dirty and I feel like his developmental

2194
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:55,519
Speaker 2: track went completely helter skelter because of how.

2195
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:58,200
Speaker 1: The forty nine the problem is. And to bring it

2196
01:39:58,240 --> 01:40:00,120
Speaker 1: back to the point of should the Patriots trade for him?

2197
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:03,040
Speaker 1: Is he too far gone? And I think there's a

2198
01:40:03,080 --> 01:40:05,080
Speaker 1: real case he's too far gone.

2199
01:40:05,160 --> 01:40:10,560
Speaker 2: If he's too far gone because he hasn't had the opportunity.

2200
01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:13,080
Speaker 1: I know he got hurt, right, you know, but I

2201
01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:15,559
Speaker 1: think we're like, you still have to start from square

2202
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:19,160
Speaker 1: one with a guy that's twenty three already. Yeah, So

2203
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:22,320
Speaker 1: I just I look, if they can trade like a

2204
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:24,880
Speaker 1: conditional seventh form whatever, you might as well see if

2205
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:27,120
Speaker 1: you can tap into the potential. But I've said this,

2206
01:40:27,240 --> 01:40:30,040
Speaker 1: if Mac Jones don't screw around with Max Jones this year,

2207
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:32,400
Speaker 1: first of all, yeah, you need to give Max Jones

2208
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:35,639
Speaker 1: the real chances here and bringing in Trey Lance Trailans.

2209
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:37,360
Speaker 2: But even if they traded for trade Lance, they have

2210
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:38,320
Speaker 2: nothing to do with this year.

2211
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:42,160
Speaker 1: But you don't think Max is gonna get asked about that.

2212
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:45,240
Speaker 1: Bill's gonna start getting asked about. Just don't just don't

2213
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:46,400
Speaker 1: open that Pandora spot.

2214
01:40:46,479 --> 01:40:50,400
Speaker 2: He's a project for maybe in twenty twenty four he

2215
01:40:50,439 --> 01:40:50,960
Speaker 2: would have it.

2216
01:40:51,200 --> 01:40:56,679
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't touch Trey Lance until December, let's put

2217
01:40:56,680 --> 01:40:57,120
Speaker 1: it that way.

2218
01:40:57,200 --> 01:40:59,080
Speaker 2: I don't think he gets traed. I think it gets

2219
01:40:59,080 --> 01:40:59,680
Speaker 2: traded next off.

2220
01:41:00,240 --> 01:41:02,040
Speaker 1: So I would do that for a minimum. But I've

2221
01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:04,240
Speaker 1: said this and I'm gonna stick with this unless there's

2222
01:41:04,280 --> 01:41:07,960
Speaker 1: a scenario where a Brady or Rogers guy comes like

2223
01:41:07,960 --> 01:41:10,160
Speaker 1: one of the generational and I don't who would be next.

2224
01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:12,000
Speaker 1: All those guys have now left their teams and retired,

2225
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:15,240
Speaker 1: right or I guess you know Rogers hasn't retired.

2226
01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:17,599
Speaker 2: But what do you mean, like we had this.

2227
01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:21,280
Speaker 1: Whole run of Brady out, Russell, Wilson out, Rogers out,

2228
01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:24,720
Speaker 1: Rivers out. Are there any of those guys left? Like

2229
01:41:24,760 --> 01:41:29,160
Speaker 1: who's the next big quarterback? We're looking? No? No, nothing,

2230
01:41:29,240 --> 01:41:31,640
Speaker 1: want nothing to do with him. I'm just saying, like,

2231
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:35,640
Speaker 1: you know, he's like I'm trying to think, like unless somewhere,

2232
01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:39,280
Speaker 1: some reasons, some way an elite quarterback. I guess maybe Lamar,

2233
01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:42,599
Speaker 1: but that you know, he's signed the extension unless one

2234
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:44,000
Speaker 1: of you get one of these things where one of

2235
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:46,720
Speaker 1: those elite quarterbacks becomes available. Again, if Mac is not

2236
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:49,160
Speaker 1: the guy, go to the draft. It's gonna be a

2237
01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:52,200
Speaker 1: really good year for quarterbacks. They're gonna have a shot

2238
01:41:52,240 --> 01:41:54,160
Speaker 1: to get a guy. There's a bunch of different kinds

2239
01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:57,000
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks. So if they want another pocket passer, if

2240
01:41:57,040 --> 01:41:58,960
Speaker 1: they want a mobile guy, if they want this, if

2241
01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:03,920
Speaker 1: they want that, go to you can't. I'd bring in

2242
01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:05,640
Speaker 1: Trey Lance. See what he has left. I would not

2243
01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:07,640
Speaker 1: bring in Trey Lance to be like, all right, well

2244
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:09,560
Speaker 1: Mac Jones didn't work, so you know we think we

2245
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:11,080
Speaker 1: should have picked Lance. We're gonna bring him and he's

2246
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:13,719
Speaker 1: gonna be the starter. No, you need a real concrete

2247
01:42:13,720 --> 01:42:15,320
Speaker 1: If Mac Jones is't the guy, you need a real

2248
01:42:15,360 --> 01:42:18,000
Speaker 1: concrete plan to replace him. Trey Lance is not a

2249
01:42:18,040 --> 01:42:21,599
Speaker 1: real concrete plan. He's a fun flyer, but that's all

2250
01:42:21,640 --> 01:42:21,920
Speaker 1: he is.

2251
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:23,880
Speaker 2: That's fair, all right, One last call then, we'll get

2252
01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:26,599
Speaker 2: into the players to watch for the Titans game. It's

2253
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:28,120
Speaker 2: Mark in Connecticut. What's that Mark?

2254
01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:31,400
Speaker 5: Hey, Mark, it's your buddy Mark over. You're in Connecticut.

2255
01:42:31,439 --> 01:42:34,639
Speaker 5: To send a quick question for you. What is the

2256
01:42:34,680 --> 01:42:39,360
Speaker 5: story with Trey Flowers? Is he going to play or

2257
01:42:39,479 --> 01:42:42,839
Speaker 5: is he when you're on pup list, are you allowed

2258
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:45,439
Speaker 5: to practice or how does that all work? I'm the

2259
01:42:45,479 --> 01:42:46,400
Speaker 5: pup list, I'm not.

2260
01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:49,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure ask Thanks for the call. Mark.

2261
01:42:49,360 --> 01:42:52,360
Speaker 2: So he's not allowed to practice on the pup list.

2262
01:42:52,520 --> 01:42:54,479
Speaker 2: If he starts the year on the publist, he's out

2263
01:42:54,520 --> 01:42:57,479
Speaker 2: for the first six weeks of the season, mandatory out

2264
01:42:57,479 --> 01:43:01,599
Speaker 2: for the first six weeks. We've seen him bopping around practice,

2265
01:43:01,640 --> 01:43:04,920
Speaker 2: which is pretty common for guys that are injured on

2266
01:43:05,120 --> 01:43:07,679
Speaker 2: you know. We've seen Calvin Anderson, we saw and Wennu

2267
01:43:07,800 --> 01:43:11,920
Speaker 2: before he got out there yesterday. We've seen John Jones

2268
01:43:12,200 --> 01:43:15,240
Speaker 2: at times cold strange. So it's pretty common for guys

2269
01:43:15,240 --> 01:43:19,160
Speaker 2: to be bopping around practice and either watching or you

2270
01:43:19,200 --> 01:43:22,559
Speaker 2: know whatever. So we've seen Trey Flowers. He's been working

2271
01:43:22,640 --> 01:43:27,719
Speaker 2: out at practice off to the side. But I think

2272
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:31,160
Speaker 2: if you had to ask me, like what my official

2273
01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:33,760
Speaker 2: stance on Trey Flowers is in terms of his role

2274
01:43:33,800 --> 01:43:36,240
Speaker 2: on the team this year, I think he starts the

2275
01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:38,880
Speaker 2: year on PUP. If they get to week seven and

2276
01:43:39,040 --> 01:43:42,240
Speaker 2: they have a concern about his spot in the defense,

2277
01:43:42,280 --> 01:43:45,439
Speaker 2: whether it's as an end or you know what, you

2278
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:47,200
Speaker 2: know obviously be as an end, but you know, whatever

2279
01:43:47,320 --> 01:43:50,639
Speaker 2: way they see using him moving forward, pass rush guy, whatever,

2280
01:43:51,200 --> 01:43:54,680
Speaker 2: then I could see them activating him and saying, you know,

2281
01:43:54,920 --> 01:43:57,759
Speaker 2: we've seen enough from from some of these other guys

2282
01:43:57,760 --> 01:43:59,360
Speaker 2: and it hasn't really been as good as we were

2283
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:03,280
Speaker 2: expecting or hoping, so let's let's give Trey Flowers a chance. Essentially,

2284
01:44:03,920 --> 01:44:06,400
Speaker 2: stash them on PUP and if you if you never

2285
01:44:06,479 --> 01:44:08,120
Speaker 2: use him, you never use them. But if you if

2286
01:44:08,160 --> 01:44:09,840
Speaker 2: you have to, or you need to, or you can,

2287
01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:13,200
Speaker 2: then he becomes activated in midway through the season.

2288
01:44:13,280 --> 01:44:15,040
Speaker 1: I kind of look at it at look at him

2289
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:16,800
Speaker 1: as in the role Jamie Collins was in the last year,

2290
01:44:16,840 --> 01:44:18,240
Speaker 1: and he was here most of the season. He was

2291
01:44:18,280 --> 01:44:19,800
Speaker 1: on the practice squad. He played in like two or

2292
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:22,360
Speaker 1: three games, but it was more you heard some of

2293
01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:24,640
Speaker 1: the younger linebackers or even got like Jawant Bentley talk

2294
01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:26,840
Speaker 1: about how valuable his presence was as a leader, as

2295
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:30,240
Speaker 1: a as a resources a teacher, and I think Trey

2296
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:32,920
Speaker 1: Flowers can give you some of that, especially for a

2297
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:35,840
Speaker 1: guy like Keon White, who I mean coming out, that

2298
01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:37,560
Speaker 1: was my comp for key On White coming out, Like

2299
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:41,439
Speaker 1: he's Trey Flowers, more athletic trade Flowers. Trey Flowers is

2300
01:44:41,439 --> 01:44:44,280
Speaker 1: pretty like when he first came out. Yeah, that's true.

2301
01:44:44,439 --> 01:44:44,720
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2302
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:46,719
Speaker 2: I mean we knew because Matt Patricia kept on dropping

2303
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:47,439
Speaker 2: him in coverage.

2304
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:51,040
Speaker 1: You made third and three against the Steelers and he

2305
01:44:51,160 --> 01:44:53,360
Speaker 1: mans him up on Le'Veon Bell on the perimeter and

2306
01:44:53,400 --> 01:44:54,679
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are we doing?

2307
01:44:55,479 --> 01:44:57,040
Speaker 2: What do you mean it's not a good coverage? You

2308
01:44:57,040 --> 01:44:58,160
Speaker 2: don't think that was a good idea.

2309
01:44:58,040 --> 01:45:00,280
Speaker 1: I will say so. I don't know how how much

2310
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:02,639
Speaker 1: you looked at this stuff back then. Trey Flowers coming

2311
01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:05,320
Speaker 1: out of Arkansas was a great athlete and then he

2312
01:45:05,360 --> 01:45:07,479
Speaker 1: tore his acls a rookie in the preseason, right and

2313
01:45:07,680 --> 01:45:11,320
Speaker 1: he never totally like yeah pre ACL taar Trey Flowers.

2314
01:45:11,320 --> 01:45:13,880
Speaker 1: People forget what an athlete he was. But yeah, no,

2315
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:16,479
Speaker 1: I think just having him around as a resource as

2316
01:45:16,479 --> 01:45:18,120
Speaker 1: an asset. You know, if if they end up back

2317
01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:19,960
Speaker 1: to viitting him and he plays, so be it. But

2318
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:22,360
Speaker 1: I think it's more just having a good voice in

2319
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:23,439
Speaker 1: the in the locker room.

2320
01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:28,000
Speaker 2: Okay, wrapping it up here. Players to watch for the Titans,

2321
01:45:28,040 --> 01:45:29,559
Speaker 2: give me, give me a couple that you have your

2322
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:32,400
Speaker 2: eye on, Like players on the Titans, I'm watching, Oh

2323
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:34,439
Speaker 2: to watch Patriots players too.

2324
01:45:34,640 --> 01:45:36,240
Speaker 1: I think we cover most of them. Cunningham. I want

2325
01:45:36,240 --> 01:45:39,120
Speaker 1: to see if he gets another quarterback. You know, Kinkashon

2326
01:45:39,120 --> 01:45:41,120
Speaker 1: Boody put the final stamp on it. The running backs,

2327
01:45:41,120 --> 01:45:45,080
Speaker 1: who wins that fourth spot in the past, the run defense,

2328
01:45:45,120 --> 01:45:48,200
Speaker 1: and the kickers, so the whole team. I didn't say

2329
01:45:48,200 --> 01:45:50,920
Speaker 1: the secondary. I didn't mention really any of the starters.

2330
01:45:50,920 --> 01:45:52,480
Speaker 1: I'm kind of good on the starters.

2331
01:45:52,120 --> 01:45:56,160
Speaker 2: So uh, I gotta admit I do kind of want

2332
01:45:56,160 --> 01:45:58,720
Speaker 2: to see a little bit of something from Juju if

2333
01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:03,040
Speaker 2: if the starters play. I'm not pressing panic buttons or

2334
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:04,800
Speaker 2: anything like that. And I mentioned earlier in the show,

2335
01:46:04,840 --> 01:46:06,559
Speaker 2: I feel like maybe he's the type of guy that

2336
01:46:07,120 --> 01:46:09,320
Speaker 2: once the bright lights turned on in the regular season,

2337
01:46:09,560 --> 01:46:12,640
Speaker 2: the flip. The switch will flip, and you know, we

2338
01:46:12,680 --> 01:46:15,120
Speaker 2: won't talk about this anymore. I just haven't seen a

2339
01:46:15,120 --> 01:46:18,120
Speaker 2: ton of juice out of Juju with his route running

2340
01:46:18,160 --> 01:46:21,200
Speaker 2: and with his ability to get open in the in

2341
01:46:21,240 --> 01:46:24,360
Speaker 2: the practices or in the little bit of film we

2342
01:46:24,360 --> 01:46:27,160
Speaker 2: saw against the Packers. So I hope to see a

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01:46:27,160 --> 01:46:27,960
Speaker 2: little bit more.

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01:46:28,760 --> 01:46:29,080
Speaker 4: I don't know.

2345
01:46:29,120 --> 01:46:30,360
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the guy you brought in to

2346
01:46:30,439 --> 01:46:34,439
Speaker 2: replace Jakobe Myers, and at the same time, I think

2347
01:46:34,439 --> 01:46:36,920
Speaker 2: that you might get get lucky and I don't know,

2348
01:46:37,240 --> 01:46:39,840
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, and Kendrick Bourne might

2349
01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:42,519
Speaker 2: end up just being that guy anyways, So it might

2350
01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:45,960
Speaker 2: end up being fine. But you did you thought you

2351
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:48,400
Speaker 2: were moving on from Jacoby Myers to Juju. I banged

2352
01:46:48,439 --> 01:46:49,960
Speaker 2: the table for it. I said, Oh, he's a better

2353
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:53,800
Speaker 2: after the catch, he's more dynamic player. I also feel

2354
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:56,080
Speaker 2: like you paid him a pretty good amount of money,

2355
01:46:56,280 --> 01:46:58,200
Speaker 2: and I just I don't know. I've seen a little

2356
01:46:58,200 --> 01:46:59,559
Speaker 2: bit you know of it in the middle of the

2357
01:46:59,560 --> 01:47:03,000
Speaker 2: fields in cuts red zone. I think that it's existed,

2358
01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:05,360
Speaker 2: but not a whole lot of bursts down the field.

2359
01:47:05,400 --> 01:47:10,960
Speaker 2: We'll see how he looks. I'm I'm steadfast with JJ Taylor.

2360
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:13,160
Speaker 2: I want to see if JJ Taylor has another big game.

2361
01:47:13,200 --> 01:47:15,840
Speaker 2: I think that that's gonna be the final UH seal

2362
01:47:15,880 --> 01:47:17,519
Speaker 2: of approval for him, and I think the same goes

2363
01:47:17,560 --> 01:47:21,280
Speaker 2: for Kayshaun BOUTI. I think both those guys, Yeah, every

2364
01:47:21,439 --> 01:47:23,519
Speaker 2: take every impression you got right, and I think that

2365
01:47:23,560 --> 01:47:24,599
Speaker 2: they got one more.

2366
01:47:24,479 --> 01:47:25,639
Speaker 1: And and this is it.

2367
01:47:26,520 --> 01:47:28,920
Speaker 2: Other than that, I think defensively, you know, we mentioned

2368
01:47:28,920 --> 01:47:32,639
Speaker 2: it in the roster projection thing. It feels like it's

2369
01:47:32,720 --> 01:47:34,920
Speaker 2: the like defense is kind of easy to project right now.

2370
01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:37,240
Speaker 2: There's a lot of veteran guys, there's a lot of returners.

2371
01:47:37,800 --> 01:47:40,439
Speaker 2: It's pretty much status quo on that side of the football.

2372
01:47:40,680 --> 01:47:43,160
Speaker 2: I think some fringe guys like a Mac Wilson for example,

2373
01:47:43,200 --> 01:47:45,559
Speaker 2: we mentioned him. I think that he's somebody that's that's

2374
01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:49,600
Speaker 2: still fighting for a roster spot. Josh Bledsoe, Sam Roberts,

2375
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:53,960
Speaker 2: those types of players maybe, But yeah, I don't know,

2376
01:47:54,240 --> 01:47:56,040
Speaker 2: you don't you're not. It seems you don't se him

2377
01:47:56,040 --> 01:47:58,920
Speaker 2: anywhere near as uh as concerned about Juju as I am.

2378
01:47:59,439 --> 01:48:01,320
Speaker 1: No, I I you kind of said it before. I

2379
01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:02,960
Speaker 1: think he's a guy that won the regular season begins,

2380
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:05,240
Speaker 1: he'll he'll click on. He's looked good enough in practice

2381
01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:07,400
Speaker 1: with Mac that yeah, you know, let's let's see it

2382
01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:08,800
Speaker 1: in the games that matter.

2383
01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:11,360
Speaker 2: I'm fair. Do you think we see well he's been

2384
01:48:11,400 --> 01:48:13,080
Speaker 2: hurt so I don't know. They're limited. I don't know

2385
01:48:13,120 --> 01:48:14,960
Speaker 2: if we'll see any more Pop Douglas than we I

2386
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:15,439
Speaker 2: don't think so.

2387
01:48:15,560 --> 01:48:18,200
Speaker 1: No, he is, he's buried. He is fully buried. We'll

2388
01:48:18,200 --> 01:48:19,080
Speaker 1: see him weak one he is.

2389
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:21,880
Speaker 2: They parked the Ferrari in the garage, and they are

2390
01:48:21,960 --> 01:48:24,000
Speaker 2: leaving the Ferrari in the garage until summertime.

2391
01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:26,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it is. Yikes. I don't know.

2392
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:28,639
Speaker 2: I still don't know how I feel about that.

2393
01:48:28,760 --> 01:48:31,360
Speaker 1: I I we talked about it on the Sports ub

2394
01:48:31,479 --> 01:48:34,240
Speaker 1: on Monday. I don't love it. You know, it went

2395
01:48:34,280 --> 01:48:36,599
Speaker 1: from this thing where you were super encouraged by like, Wow,

2396
01:48:36,640 --> 01:48:38,679
Speaker 1: there's this rookie wide receiver and they're not even really

2397
01:48:38,720 --> 01:48:40,760
Speaker 1: playing him because they feel so comfortable where he's at.

2398
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:43,880
Speaker 1: That's awesome. And then it became well, maybe play him

2399
01:48:43,880 --> 01:48:45,840
Speaker 1: a little bit so he can get, you know, up

2400
01:48:45,880 --> 01:48:48,240
Speaker 1: to speed with the NFL. And if he starts slow,

2401
01:48:48,240 --> 01:48:49,759
Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be a lot of second guessing

2402
01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:50,280
Speaker 1: that decision.

2403
01:48:51,040 --> 01:48:53,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't deny that. I agree with

2404
01:48:53,720 --> 01:48:57,120
Speaker 2: you one hundred percent. I have never seen in our

2405
01:48:57,200 --> 01:48:59,960
Speaker 2: time covering the team. Maybe you remember a better example.

2406
01:49:00,640 --> 01:49:04,280
Speaker 2: I have never seen them bury a rookie like this,

2407
01:49:04,400 --> 01:49:07,479
Speaker 2: like a sixth round rookie. Like not, we're not talking

2408
01:49:07,479 --> 01:49:10,519
Speaker 2: about Christian Gonzales getting starter tream right like we're talking

2409
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:13,400
Speaker 2: about I mean, Christian Gonzalez hasn't even gotten started. He's played,

2410
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:16,240
Speaker 2: He's played a ton in the preseason. He's played I

2411
01:49:16,240 --> 01:49:19,840
Speaker 2: think he was somewhere around thirty snaps both games, So

2412
01:49:19,880 --> 01:49:23,360
Speaker 2: he's played a ton. Uh Kean White, you know, Houston game,

2413
01:49:23,439 --> 01:49:26,840
Speaker 2: He's out there right away and playing like It's just

2414
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:30,120
Speaker 2: it's bizarre that they have buried him so much. I

2415
01:49:30,120 --> 01:49:33,120
Speaker 2: think we're beyond the bury him for the practice squad.

2416
01:49:33,680 --> 01:49:36,160
Speaker 1: I said this a few weeks ago. They might be

2417
01:49:36,240 --> 01:49:38,439
Speaker 1: higher on him than we are. So it's two quiet things.

2418
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:40,559
Speaker 2: Is he either he's hurt, Yeah, he's been hurt this

2419
01:49:40,600 --> 01:49:43,720
Speaker 2: whole time, or they are so high on him that

2420
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:45,120
Speaker 2: they just don't want the rest of the league to know.

2421
01:49:45,240 --> 01:49:46,599
Speaker 1: It could be a little bit of both too, Yeah,

2422
01:49:46,800 --> 01:49:48,280
Speaker 1: there could be a little bit of a oh, oh,

2423
01:49:48,320 --> 01:49:50,080
Speaker 1: what's that you stub your toe last night? All right,

2424
01:49:50,120 --> 01:49:51,439
Speaker 1: we'll just you know, go hang out over here.

2425
01:49:51,520 --> 01:49:54,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get to you and get And this is I

2426
01:49:54,479 --> 01:49:56,960
Speaker 2: get it. There's gamesman ship for every team but like,

2427
01:49:57,240 --> 01:49:59,719
Speaker 2: once it's on film against Philly, it's like the Cats

2428
01:49:59,720 --> 01:50:02,120
Speaker 2: out of the So you have one game that maybe

2429
01:50:02,120 --> 01:50:04,960
Speaker 2: you could take the Eagles by surprise with. But once

2430
01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:07,679
Speaker 2: once he's out there against Philly and playing a lot

2431
01:50:07,720 --> 01:50:09,400
Speaker 2: and catching passes, it's it's over.

2432
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:11,280
Speaker 1: Like, well it isn't it is. I mean you're gonna

2433
01:50:11,320 --> 01:50:13,719
Speaker 1: do multiple things. His role will build throughout the year.

2434
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:17,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, it they really want to beat Philly. I

2435
01:50:17,080 --> 01:50:18,360
Speaker 1: want to get started off on the right foot. They

2436
01:50:18,400 --> 01:50:19,960
Speaker 1: want to win in front of Tom all of that.

2437
01:50:19,960 --> 01:50:23,120
Speaker 1: That's fair, all right, that's gonna do it here. Come on,

2438
01:50:23,160 --> 01:50:25,280
Speaker 1: you gotta give you too many? We have the time,

2439
01:50:25,280 --> 01:50:27,840
Speaker 1: all right, go ahead. Yeah. I posted this morning on

2440
01:50:27,920 --> 01:50:29,879
Speaker 1: ninety eight five of the sports dot Com my annual

2441
01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:32,920
Speaker 1: college football season is starting. Here some potential Patriots draft

2442
01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:35,120
Speaker 1: picks to watch as Evan pulls out his phone. Yep,

2443
01:50:35,160 --> 01:50:37,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna draft one of these guys and you're gonna

2444
01:50:37,160 --> 01:50:38,519
Speaker 1: end up loving them. And I'm gonna be like, remember

2445
01:50:38,520 --> 01:50:40,120
Speaker 1: when you were on the phone when we had this conversation.

2446
01:50:40,160 --> 01:50:44,320
Speaker 1: We were talking about this, all right, college football, potential

2447
01:50:44,320 --> 01:50:48,479
Speaker 1: Patriots college football. I'm her week zero, which is like, no,

2448
01:50:48,520 --> 01:50:50,759
Speaker 1: the draft next year. You're talking draft, we're talking draft

2449
01:50:50,760 --> 01:50:53,639
Speaker 1: Week zero is like the preseason for college football. It's

2450
01:50:53,640 --> 01:50:55,120
Speaker 1: like when it's not that's not what it is. It's

2451
01:50:55,120 --> 01:51:00,000
Speaker 1: like when nobody played. There's seven games total, it's not

2452
01:51:00,120 --> 01:51:02,519
Speaker 1: what it is. Oh my god. An even worse than that.

2453
01:51:02,720 --> 01:51:06,439
Speaker 1: Blake Krum running back for Michigan. Nasty. If reminders on

2454
01:51:06,439 --> 01:51:08,360
Speaker 1: a contract here, they might use a running back pick.

2455
01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:12,200
Speaker 1: They need more running backs. They have one running like

2456
01:51:12,240 --> 01:51:13,800
Speaker 1: one we're running back in a contract next year and

2457
01:51:13,800 --> 01:51:17,719
Speaker 1: he's in a contract here. Jacob Cowing, wide receiver from Arizona. Yeah,

2458
01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:20,760
Speaker 1: I know him. You don't really good route runner. If

2459
01:51:20,840 --> 01:51:23,360
Speaker 1: Juju doesn't work out, you're gonna like this guy, really

2460
01:51:23,400 --> 01:51:26,160
Speaker 1: good route runner. He's also he played for Jet Fish,

2461
01:51:26,280 --> 01:51:30,479
Speaker 1: So you have connection. The connections. Cad Stover. They're gonna

2462
01:51:30,479 --> 01:51:32,200
Speaker 1: need to tight end next year. Cad Stover tight end

2463
01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:36,280
Speaker 1: from Ohio State. Stover's Stover Stover mcinchee is really good.

2464
01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:40,439
Speaker 1: Uh six five, two fifty five converted defensive end. Oh

2465
01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:43,280
Speaker 1: so he's the opposite of key right reverse Keyon White,

2466
01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:45,880
Speaker 1: who had a very productive season last year. Here's your guy.

2467
01:51:46,080 --> 01:51:48,679
Speaker 1: All right, guys supposed to go. So there's three tackles

2468
01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:49,960
Speaker 1: in the draft who are supposed to go in the

2469
01:51:49,960 --> 01:51:52,080
Speaker 1: top tench Joe Alt, not jo Walt. He's supposed to

2470
01:51:52,080 --> 01:51:53,439
Speaker 1: go on the top ten. Patriots are picking that high.

2471
01:51:53,439 --> 01:51:57,599
Speaker 1: They need a quarterback. J C. Latham, Alabama's right tackle

2472
01:51:58,240 --> 01:52:00,760
Speaker 1: six six, three sixty project first round packs.

2473
01:52:00,880 --> 01:52:04,960
Speaker 2: So you know, in like the NCAA game where they

2474
01:52:05,000 --> 01:52:07,160
Speaker 2: don't have the names, yeah, or they didn't have the names.

2475
01:52:07,360 --> 01:52:09,880
Speaker 2: I feel like there's so many Alabama alignment that you

2476
01:52:09,960 --> 01:52:12,920
Speaker 2: could just label them like that in the NFL, just like, Oh,

2477
01:52:13,000 --> 01:52:14,840
Speaker 2: Joana Williams Alabama left tackle.

2478
01:52:16,520 --> 01:52:18,559
Speaker 1: JC Latham's gonna be the guy You're gonna be pounding

2479
01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:20,960
Speaker 1: the table for. Okay, you like to talk about that

2480
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:22,400
Speaker 1: thing where when there's a star on a team, the

2481
01:52:22,439 --> 01:52:24,800
Speaker 1: Patriots pick the other guy. Yeah. So Jared Verse, the

2482
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:27,320
Speaker 1: defensi vent from Florida State, is a projected top five pick.

2483
01:52:27,680 --> 01:52:29,280
Speaker 1: The guy that plays on the other side of him

2484
01:52:29,320 --> 01:52:32,599
Speaker 1: is a guy named Patrick Payton some josh U J vibes. Okay,

2485
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:35,479
Speaker 1: I like him. Your clock is ticking. Max Melton, cornerback

2486
01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:38,479
Speaker 1: from Rutgers. You've been telling me about four punts last year,

2487
01:52:38,520 --> 01:52:41,800
Speaker 1: eighteen years. How is Max Melton still in college because

2488
01:52:41,800 --> 01:52:43,799
Speaker 1: he keeps going back to school. I don't know telling

2489
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:47,120
Speaker 1: me about this. Finally, if they like Kyle duggarwak, which

2490
01:52:47,120 --> 01:52:52,040
Speaker 1: they shouldn't do, ye. Cooper Dejane from Iowa plays boundary, corner, slot, corner,

2491
01:52:52,120 --> 01:52:55,719
Speaker 1: box safety, defensive end, returns, kicks, returns, punts, covers kicks,

2492
01:52:55,720 --> 01:53:00,240
Speaker 1: covers punts, scored three defensive touchdowns for Iowa, as Suh

2493
01:53:00,520 --> 01:53:03,840
Speaker 1: Cooper de Gene. Okay, that's probable that he's going to

2494
01:53:03,880 --> 01:53:05,200
Speaker 1: be in the conversation for them in the first round

2495
01:53:05,200 --> 01:53:07,559
Speaker 1: next year. All right, all right, are you done? Yeah,

2496
01:53:07,560 --> 01:53:08,320
Speaker 1: that's it. All right.

2497
01:53:08,439 --> 01:53:12,080
Speaker 2: On that note, no kickers, Thank god. We are wrapping

2498
01:53:12,080 --> 01:53:14,960
Speaker 2: it up here. The PU crew is here and as

2499
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:18,960
Speaker 2: Fred Kirsch walks by and deuces behind the glass as well, Alex,

2500
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:19,759
Speaker 2: you're sticking around.

2501
01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:21,280
Speaker 1: I'm sticking around, sticking around.

2502
01:53:21,320 --> 01:53:24,040
Speaker 2: So PU is starting in about seven minutes. Thanks so much, guys,

2503
01:53:24,040 --> 01:53:24,960
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you next week.

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01:53:25,040 --> 01:53:25,200
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