1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Welcome in second hour of the program Friday edition. It 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: has been a heck of a draining, emotional week for 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: so many of us across the nation, so many of 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: you want to weigh in, and so for the next 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: couple of hours legitimately full open forums, talkbacks, calls, we 6 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: are going to get as many of you in as 7 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: we can as we roll into the weekend. Point worth discussing. 8 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: And I was just joking about this off air, because 9 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: I do think we need a little bit of levity 10 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 1: in what has been a very dark week. President Trump 11 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: woke up this morning after going to the Yankee game 12 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: last night and just rode his motorcade over to the 13 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: Fox studios on Sixth Avenue and set down on the 14 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: Fox and Friends couch and did an hour of live, 15 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: unscripted television on all subjects under the sun, including announcing 16 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 1: that we had the assassin of Charlie Kirk in custody. 17 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: And we just came from a president that basically could 18 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: never do any media availabilities on any subject and Trump 19 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: just rolled in, set down on the couch, a couch 20 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,559 Speaker 1: that I've said on and guest hosted Fox and Friends 21 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 1: on the weekend and did an hour straight of unscripted television. Buck, 22 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: And it wasn't very long ago, about ten days ago, 23 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: that everybody decided because he took a weekend off from 24 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: doing media, that he was actually dead. And so I 25 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: do think a big part of this larger discussion needs 26 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: to be how many people out there consume audience, consume 27 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: media that is consistently wrong about everything, and yet they 28 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: keep going back to it over and over and over 29 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: again in desperate demand for at some point their fever 30 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: dreams of delusion to be certified. And I do think 31 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: that factors in here and one thing, Buck, as we 32 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: get ready to take as we get ready to take 33 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: some calls here and take some of your talkbacks, I 34 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: want all of you to think about this. Buck has 35 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: got a book out. Honestly, these are both very timely 36 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: books where he tries to get into tell us. 37 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: The name manufacturing delusion, how the Left uses brainwashing, indoctrination 38 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 2: and propaganda against you. I just wanted to be manufacturing delusion, 39 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 2: but subtitles apparently are helpful. 40 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: And my book, and that's a very August title. My 41 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: book is called Balls, and it's about how Trump, young 42 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: men and sports fans saved America. Okay, but I do 43 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: think that these are two different sides of the same coin, 44 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: much like this assassin is if you compare his life 45 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,679 Speaker 1: to Charlie Kirks and let me let me just kind 46 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: of run through a little bit here. I feel immense 47 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: sadness for so many young men in America because there 48 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: for much of history, whatever you thought of politics, there 49 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: was a consistent expectation for men. You got married, you 50 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: busted your ass in a job. You had a job 51 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: to try to take care of your family and provide 52 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: a better life for them. Going forward, you. 53 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 2: Might have to go to war, generously, you may not 54 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: have to go back to get killed. 55 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: We had an experience and expectation of manhood that was 56 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: universally accepted across the political spectrum. Whatever you think. In 57 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: nineteen forty five, a Democrat and a Republican represented, by 58 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: and large, there was an understanding of what manhood was 59 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: and what it represented. I think so many young men 60 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: in the wake of the me too and in the 61 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: toxic universe of this woke culture that has tried to 62 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: say manhood itself is toxic. The absence and continued decline 63 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: of religion, which helped to frankly allow the foundational elements 64 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: of the family, the nuclear family manhood. I think there 65 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: is a desperate yearning for meaning and I think Charlie 66 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: Kirk found it. Whatever you think about him, I think 67 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: he found a foundational core tenet of life that led 68 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: him in a productive way to get married, to have 69 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,679 Speaker 1: two kids, to try to communicate to these lost young 70 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: men a pathway to what he thought would be a 71 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: better life for them. 72 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 2: Well, one thing that sorry, yes, one thing I was 73 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: going to say, Clay, that is so important when you 74 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 2: look at the competing narratives here about Charlie. There's our narrative, 75 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 2: which is rooted in reality of a man who did 76 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 2: it the right way, was an inspiration, was kind, reliable, 77 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 2: a father, all the things that we have said. So 78 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 2: I want to you know, you know how we feel 79 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 2: about Charlie. But what you will hear from a lot 80 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 2: of people on the left, who of course don't know Charlie. 81 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 2: And this is always another thing, you know, I know 82 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 2: this a little bit of a digression. I know a 83 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: lot of people in media on the right, and I 84 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 2: know a lot of people on meeting the left, and 85 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 2: the people on the right are almost always better people. 86 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 2: I'm just telling you the truth, Okay. I mean as people. 87 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 2: I'm not talking about their talent. I'm not talking about 88 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 2: their paycheck or you know, their ratings or whatever. 89 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: But you know, as humans. 90 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 2: You you know, I was gonna tell you. You you listen 91 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 2: to this radio show. You listen to some of our 92 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 2: peers and radio and some of the people that I 93 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 2: won't name them, you know who they are. If they 94 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 2: were your neighbor, you'd be blessed. If you had to 95 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: leave your kids with them, you'd know that, you know, 96 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 2: because you had an emergency. You'd know that they'd be fine. 97 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 2: You know, you'd they'd probably get a home cooked meal 98 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 2: by the time you got home. Like they're good people. Okay, 99 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 2: they're at their good people. There are a lot of 100 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 2: leftists who are truly lost and nasty human beings, I'll 101 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 2: just put it that way. A lot of leftists, and 102 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 2: it's true of the politicians as well. And you see 103 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 2: this and you're aware of this perception. There is a 104 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 2: difference in the view of life. But Clay, we know 105 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 2: who Charlie was. They keep saying Charlie. The other side 106 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 2: says that he was put including unfortunately this this horrific 107 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 2: assassin that Charlie was spewing hate speech. But what you 108 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 2: see actually when you look at what Charlie said, and 109 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 2: beyond that, look at how his followers act. They act 110 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: with love and within the law, and with consideration and 111 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 2: with kindness. And yet the people that think on the 112 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 2: other side that they're doing some great favor to society 113 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 2: by being violent, not just in this incident, but in 114 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 2: many incidents like it, Antifa and all these others, they 115 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 2: think that they are stopping hate speech, and they never 116 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: stop to think that they're the hateful ones that they are, 117 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: are the ones who are saying your words upset me, 118 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: so I will attack you, I. 119 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 3: Will punch you, I will even kill you. Who's the 120 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 3: one spreading hate? What is the hate that Charlie spreads? 121 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 2: And by the way, I would I would just add 122 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 2: a lot of this comes back to the trans stuff. 123 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 2: That's really where if you push somebody who says that 124 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: that the right is spewing hate speech, Clay, it's overwhelmingly 125 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 2: just a version of saying you are racing trans people. 126 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 3: You are You know, these things go go together all 127 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 3: the time. But I think when you if you're talking 128 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 3: about hate, which is the side that is hateful. I 129 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:37,559 Speaker 3: think it couldn't be more clear. 130 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:45,239 Speaker 1: Agree with all of that. Charlie found his life purpose, 131 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: he got married, he had kids. This twenty two year 132 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: old was looking for his life's purpose, and he found 133 00:07:53,720 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: his life's purpose to be killing Charlie Kirk. How does 134 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: that happen? Your book is partly addressing it. I think 135 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: it speaks to again, the twenty seven year law enforcement 136 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: veteran dad had to turn his son. 137 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 4: That. 138 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: I would bet this dad poured his heart and soul 139 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: into trying to raise as an uplifting, successful part of 140 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: the community. I don't know very many parents who do 141 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: anything else. Now, you might fail, and we might find 142 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: out that there's something in the background of this kid 143 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: that was not ideal that helped to put him on 144 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: this awful path. But you have two young men. One 145 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: finds his path and is trying to extend a hand 146 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: to everyone else to say, hey, this path works for me. 147 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: I think it could work for you too, And so 148 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 1: many young men, in seeing Charlie's path, see a path 149 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: for themselves as well. And then you have this twenty 150 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: two year old who, by all intents of perc is 151 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: appears Buck to have been normal for much of his life, 152 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: and he gets radicalized to such an extent somewhere that 153 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: he's writing anti pro fascist and anti fascist, anti fascist 154 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: and anti anti Nazi comments on bullets that he uses 155 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: to incredibly detailed plan the assassination of Charlie Kirk. How 156 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: does that happen? How do they get? Again in the pathways? 157 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 2: And I so in the book, Clay, I get into these. 158 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 2: I get into brainwashing. I get into a process called menticide. 159 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 2: I get into Pavlovian conditioning. I get into isolation and 160 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 2: how that is used as a tool in this. I 161 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 2: get into fear as a tool, a tool of ideological coercion. Right, 162 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 2: I mean, these are all different things. I mean, and 163 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: again the book's not even out till January, but it's 164 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 2: just this is what my I've been looking at this 165 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: because a lot of it was driven by But I 166 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 2: get into the trans thing as well, and how people 167 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 2: who aren't trans themselves will threaten to kill people or 168 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: will kill people even because they have the wrong idea 169 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 2: about trans in you know, quote unquote wrong idea that 170 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 2: how does someone get to that point? You know, how 171 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: is someone so diluted? And this is a huge problem 172 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 2: in our society because these ideas can grow and can 173 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: take root to the point where they can actually cause 174 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 2: a societal upheaval. I mean, you saw this in the 175 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 2: Russian Revolution into the Soviets, and you saw this in 176 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 2: North Korea, and I get into some of this. 177 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 3: We're actually the crazy ideas are. 178 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 2: The mandatory ideas, and the Democrat Party has had some 179 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 2: instances where they have shown us this COVID was one 180 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 2: of the most it was probably the most powerful instance 181 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 2: of it. But also the same thing with men don't 182 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 2: have an advantage over women in sports and other ideas 183 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 2: like this. Right, you get into all of this, but 184 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 2: it is a process of radicalization, and there is something 185 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 2: that we have to look at here and understand much more, 186 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 2: much more deeply and in a much more cohesive way. 187 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 2: How do we get people off this path. It's a 188 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 2: little bit like getting them out of a cult. It's 189 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 2: a little bit like removing them from an ideological ecosystem 190 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 2: that is self reinforcing and actually deteriorating throughout that process. 191 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 3: Because as you say this, what about. 192 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 2: This young man in his past, in his background would 193 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 2: make you think that this would But I've gone through 194 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 2: this clay with people that were preparing to strap a 195 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 2: suicide vest on and go into the New York City 196 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 2: subway system, or we're planning to buy AK forty sevens 197 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 2: and grenades to go shoot up a you know, a 198 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 2: Jewish temple in one of the suburbs of New York. 199 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 2: I mean this, these these people are not leading up 200 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 2: to this point. They aren't necessarily from abusive homes. They're 201 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 2: not impoverished there. You know, there hasn't been some but 202 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 2: the ideas and the idea loop grows, and there are 203 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 2: those who are able to manipulate in this way. There 204 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 2: are those who are able to manufacture these killers through this process, 205 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 2: and we need to take this. I mean we're already 206 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: taking it seriously, but we need to understand that there's 207 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 2: a tremendous urgency in this country to figure out how 208 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 2: we handle this because it's going to keep happening, and 209 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 2: it does not have to happen. There are places where 210 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 2: this does not happen. Our country is a place where 211 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 2: this sort of thing is happening right now, and that 212 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 2: means that there are underlying and foundational issues to be addressed. 213 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 2: And I think that a big part of it is 214 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 2: just holding holding the Democrat Party and the Democrat aligned 215 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 2: media accountable for what they say. When you call someone 216 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 2: a fascist and you say and you mean it, you 217 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 2: are saying that person is a threat to everyone else, 218 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 2: a threat to all that is good, and violence against 219 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 2: them is justified. China is a communist country. If I 220 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 2: call someone a communist, am I saying we have to 221 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 2: go we have to go murder a billion Chinese people? No, 222 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 2: of course not. It's referring to it as an ideology. Well, 223 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 2: when you call someone a fascist, there's no fascist country 224 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 2: out there right now, Clay, when you say fascist or Nazi, 225 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 2: you were resurrecting something from the past to justify violence today. 226 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: Jasmine Crockett's building on this, just called Trump Hitler today 227 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: again on Charlemagne The God Show. And I think when 228 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: you specifically analogize Trump to Adolf Hitler, building on what 229 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: you are saying, Buck. 230 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 2: You are directly saying, go kill him because we have. 231 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: I mean, this was kind of a silly debate that 232 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: used to go on. But before the Trump, you baby 233 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: Hitler and kill baby Hitler was kind of a ridiculous 234 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: sit around the coffee table or while you're having a 235 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: beer debate, and when you call someone who is full 236 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: grown hitler, you are telling people go kill him, which 237 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: is why you can't say that and then tried to 238 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: immediately condemn. I would have more respect for Democrats if 239 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: after they tried to kill Trump, if somebody had come 240 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: out and said, I wish we had better aim he's his, 241 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: because at least it would be consistent in the way 242 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: the thinking about it. You can't condemn violence after inciting it. 243 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 3: We already know there are lines. 244 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 2: If you just called every as a group, right, you 245 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 2: just called everyone who disagree with you politically, you just 246 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: started asserting that they were child molesters, we would know 247 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 2: that's defamation, that's wrong, that's unethical. You're trying to say 248 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 2: that this person is the worst kind of human being, imaginable, 249 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 2: the most vile, the most the most you know, lacking 250 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 2: and decency, imaginable. We would understand, right, everybody would know 251 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 2: if you just go around saying, oh, you're running against 252 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 2: me for this office, you're a child molester. Everybody would 253 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 2: know that that is cross seeing a clear You know 254 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 2: that you're saying this to defame someone, crossing a clear line, 255 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 2: which of course they've said all kinds of things about Trump. 256 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 3: You don't have to. 257 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 2: I've said he's a rapist, They've said everything. But yeah, 258 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 2: with this, to call someone a nazi isn't crossing the line. 259 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 2: To say that you are truly a fascist who's going 260 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 2: to end the republic and therefore our country is going 261 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 2: to collapse, that is crossing the line. 262 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: There will not be elections again, which is what they 263 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: have argued for years now, a decade. That tes a dictator. 264 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 2: Who will people remember because it was it was a 265 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 2: very uh, we got to go to a break and we 266 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 2: want to take your calls here, so we'll get to it. 267 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 2: But when I did that Bill Maher appearance, and it 268 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 2: was when the Democrats, I was there to tell them 269 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: what was coming, and I did, and it did happen 270 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 2: that way. 271 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 3: But I remember I looked at Bill Maher. I think 272 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 3: it might have been in the post show video they do. 273 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 2: I said, I mean, you know that it's going to 274 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 2: be okay if Trump wins, right, He's going to win, 275 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 2: and everything's going to be fine. And he looked me, right, 276 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 2: and he goes, I absolutely do not know that. I 277 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 2: think the country might end. Well, that's insane. You have 278 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 2: a problem you should go seek counseling. Speak to your priests. 279 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 2: Will not for Bill Maher, Speak to your therapist, speak 280 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 2: to whomever. 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We're going to just dive into calls. 309 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 2: I promise you, if you're on hold, we're gonna rack 310 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 2: and stack it as soon as we. 311 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 3: Get back and get to your calls. 312 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 2: So stay with us, and as calls get on the air, 313 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 2: slots open up. We want to hear from all of you. 314 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 2: I mean this you you have been holding us up. 315 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 2: You have been you know, propping us up. 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Just listen. 352 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 6: We got to talk about like what it means when 353 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 6: you're running for president or you're running for one of 354 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 6: these higher offices and you go out there and you 355 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 6: talk about beating people up. You go out there and 356 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 6: you say things like I could shoot somebody in the 357 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 6: middle of the street in New York and I could 358 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 6: still win. We got to talk about like that is 359 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 6: next level me disagreeing with you, me calling you, you know, 360 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 6: I want to be hitler. All those things are like 361 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 6: not necessarily saying go out and hurt somebody, But when 362 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 6: you're literally telling people at rallies, yeah, beat them up, 363 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 6: and that kind of stuff, like you are promoting like 364 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 6: a culture of violence. So we need to talk about 365 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 6: like what it looks like when you don't promote a 366 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 6: culture of violence. 367 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 2: I think her job is to say the dumbest things 368 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 2: imaginable so that anything else that a Democrat says, by 369 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 2: comparison seems more reasonable. 370 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 3: Like that's her. 371 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 2: Actual job is to try to open the overton windows 372 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 2: so wide that it's not possible to say something as 373 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 2: stupid as Congresswoman Crockett. Therefore, whatever you say, it's not 374 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 2: as dumb as what she says, and it helps Democrats. 375 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: That may be what they use her as is like 376 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: the battering ram of stupidity that opens the door for 377 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: everything else. But to not understand the basic logic of 378 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: the argument you just made there of Hey, we've got 379 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 1: to watch basically the language that we're using. I'm not 380 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: necessarily telling people to kill Hitler. I mean they are. 381 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: I think the easiest way. 382 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 2: To explain why choose Hitler if you don't want violence 383 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 2: against the perdu You know what I'm saying, there's a 384 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 2: lot of people you could point out in history who 385 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 2: were you could just point out to bad previous president anyway, 386 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 2: go ahead. 387 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: But yeah, no, we're gonna go to calls. But I mean, 388 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: I do think what you've got here is clear incitement, 389 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: and then when you incite the act for which you 390 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: are clearly inciting, when it occurs, you say, oh, well 391 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: we condemn this. You can't light the fire, and then say, boy, 392 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: I wish this house wasn't burning down. I condemned fire. 393 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: That's what's going on. 394 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 2: I'm hearing el Rushbo right now talking about the drive bys. 395 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 3: This is what they do. 396 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 2: They just spray destruction in bedlam and just move on 397 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 2: past and pretend like nothing happened, pretend like they had 398 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 2: no part in it, and they are neck deep and 399 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 2: all this stuff we're talking about, all right, calls We 400 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 2: want to do it because we got so many people 401 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 2: that want to weigh in. So you picked the top 402 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 2: of the list, mister Clay. 403 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: Jem in Denver. I believe you say, Jim, you were 404 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: scheduled to go to the next one of the next 405 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: stops on Charlie Kirk's tour, which got for. 406 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 7: Us correct up at Colorado State University. So with this 407 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 7: shooter's father being a police officer, and thinking that he 408 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 7: was brought up the right way by a police officer, 409 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 7: I would hope his father would encourage him to cooperate 410 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 7: every way possible with the police to have a better 411 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 7: understanding of the Antifa tights that that ruined his mind 412 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 7: and caused him to do this evil act. 413 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: Amen Buck, I think one of the outcomes of this 414 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 1: needs to be if we haven't already done it, and 415 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: maybe it's underway, but I haven't seen a lot of 416 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 1: attention on it into the root, stem, and branch of 417 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: Antifa in a way that directly goes to their organizational structure. 418 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 3: I just I want to get to these other calls. 419 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 2: I just want to point out because this is bringing 420 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 2: back to I saw and dealt with Antifa in the 421 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 2: earliest days, right going back over a decade now, as 422 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 2: a movement in this country, and they there were these 423 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 2: open debates that would happen or discussions I should say, 424 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 2: not debates about because right wingers are Nazis, and because 425 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 2: punching Nazis is okay, isn't it therefore okay to punch 426 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 2: right wingers? This this was this was a thing that 427 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 2: they would they would talk about openly. And and also 428 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 2: the speech equals violence paradigm or the speech equals violence 429 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 2: framework that they would use. They would say, well, because 430 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 2: what you say is as bad as violence, my violence 431 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 2: against your speech is justified, even though I'm the first 432 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 2: one to commit violence. I know that's dizzying, and that's 433 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 2: sort of this self looking ice cream cone of logic, 434 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 2: but that is actually this is widespread among the antiphotypes. 435 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 3: John and Texas. What's going on, John. 436 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 8: McCall. And it's rough days these days, but when they 437 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 8: need to study or more people need to study the history. 438 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 8: Hitler and the Nazis originated from the National Socialist Party 439 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 8: Socialist So I don't know why people can't look up 440 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 8: and say, well, that is where the left is coming from, 441 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 8: and they are the ones that are actually the Nazis, 442 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 8: and then the socialists generally speaking, the ones that are 443 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 8: on top, the leaders, They are the ones that make 444 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 8: the money. They are the ones that get typed. Well, 445 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 8: aosa's that thing Stacey and Abrams looked up and she 446 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 8: got a billion dollars to some group she haded at, 447 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 8: and that pass out the money to the sales like that. 448 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: But I appreciate the call, John. I think what John's 449 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: hitting on Buck. A lot of times we talk about 450 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: political spectrums. I think it's honestly more accurate sometimes to 451 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 1: call it a political circle, because both logical extensions end 452 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: in a form of totalitarianism. Whether it's coming from the 453 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: left or the right, it is a complete control and 454 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: eradication of enemy. And that is I think where you 455 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 1: become susceptible to this. I'd also point out variety of 456 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: opinion inside of party basically does not exist on the 457 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: left now, and it is a strength of a political 458 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: party to have multiple different competing perspectives because it limits totalitarianism. 459 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: There's actually a wide variety of reasons people support the 460 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: Republican Party, the Democrat Party that's become increasingly less so he's. 461 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 2: Unfortunately become Trump de range. But Jonah Goldberg wrote a 462 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 2: very good book Liberal Fascism almost twenty years ago now Clay, 463 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 2: that addresses exactly this, which is that the liberal in 464 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 2: this country or the leftist is a well that socialism 465 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 2: is of the left and fascism is of the left. 466 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 2: And this is what people don't really under that that 467 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 2: you know, there's a oh the right, right wing, right 468 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,959 Speaker 2: wing totalitarian it is fascism, no fascism and communism. And 469 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 2: this we saw this play out in pre World War 470 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 2: through Germany. We're fighting over the same a lot of 471 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 2: the same recruits and the same people, and that's why 472 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 2: there was violence against them. But they were both collectivists. 473 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 2: It just one was a globalist collectivist in the case 474 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 2: of the Soviet uh, the Soviet model, whereas there was 475 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 2: a nationalist collectivist in the case of the fascists. Right, 476 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 2: but there's a lot of uh and yeah, national socialists. 477 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 2: Obviously what the Nazi Party actually was, there was a 478 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 2: reason for why they called themselves that. 479 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 4: Uh. 480 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 3: Tara in North Carolina, what's going on? Tara? 481 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 9: Hey there, thank you. We love working your show. I 482 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 9: have my other niece here with me. 483 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: Her name is Abby, and well, hi, Abbey, we appreciate 484 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: you being a part of the show. 485 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 9: Well, we were calling in because, you know, earlier in 486 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 9: the conversation today, you know, you were talking about what 487 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 9: makes the youth want to go and do these things 488 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 9: and if they grow up in a family that you know, 489 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 9: is considered a decent, traditional family. And I have another 490 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 9: niece and she's a sixteen also, and and we don't 491 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 9: really know what happened to send her to the liberal side, 492 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 9: and we we about to talk about it every day, 493 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 9: and so that's why I was calling in to just 494 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 9: say it kind of happens before your eyes. It's like, 495 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 9: over the past year, she's just gone, you know, to 496 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 9: be so liberal and it's just almost scary. 497 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: I think this is one of the huge fears for 498 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 1: families out there, Buck. I mean, and I think every 499 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: family out there has someone they can point to that 500 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: has been lost to a in some way life that 501 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: is the opposite of how they were raised. 502 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 2: I think that there are forms of mental illness that 503 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 2: make people much more likely to become leftists. They're much 504 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,239 Speaker 2: more susceptible to the ideology of the left because of 505 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 2: challenges that they have in their mind that pre that 506 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 2: are sort of pre existing from the indoctrination phase. That's 507 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 2: one component of this. I think that you'll increasingly see 508 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 2: that there are differences in just brain you know, if 509 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 2: you were to do it like a functional MRI, a 510 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 2: functional MRI, I think that there are differences in the 511 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 2: way that people on the hard left their brains fire 512 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 2: than other people. This is my belief a lot there's 513 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,479 Speaker 2: a lot of early data that supports this kind of stuff. 514 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 2: You know, you can actually see like bipolarity on a 515 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 2: functional MRI. You can, you know, an fMRI you can 516 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: see extreme mental illness. It changes the way that the 517 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 2: brain is actually firing in certain ways. And I think 518 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 2: that leftism is something that you if you tried to, 519 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 2: I think you'd be able to start to map that 520 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 2: out more than the brain. Because it is irrational. It 521 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 2: does not it does not make sense to Clay to 522 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 2: compare Trump to Hitler. 523 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 3: Trump hasn't killed anybody in this country. He's actually doing 524 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 3: great things. 525 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 2: Hitler tried to take over the entire world and murdered 526 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 2: millions and millions of people, eleven million of the Death Camp, 527 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 2: six million. 528 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 3: Jews, Like, how are you comparing these things? 529 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 2: This is like saying a mouse is an elephant, and 530 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 2: we're all supposed to look at you and say, yeah, 531 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 2: those two things are similar, they're not. 532 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: Or a man as a woman. 533 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 3: There we go. 534 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: And I think it's intentional. I think they know that 535 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: if they can get you to lie about objective biological reality. 536 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 2: Takes you down to lie about everything. Well, this is 537 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 2: a going back to my book Manufacturing Collusion. This is 538 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 2: why in totalitarianism it's so important that you have to 539 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 2: be a part of the lie. Clay, there was something 540 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 2: that the Nazis used to enforced called physiognomic insubordination, which 541 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 2: is a very complex way of saying, if you don't 542 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 2: seem enthusiastic enough, you know, making the hand gestures and 543 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 2: the you know they they would come over and and 544 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 2: you could get in a lot of trouble. You you know, 545 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 2: you could disappear if you're if you made the wrong face. 546 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 2: You know, it would be like if somebody walked around 547 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 2: during the national anthem and you know you you didn't 548 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 2: look patriotic enough. That was something the Nazis and for 549 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 2: physionomic insubordination. Your your body slouched, you looked unhappy while 550 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,719 Speaker 2: you were chanting the mandatory slogans. 551 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: This is why, I mean it still exists in North Korea. 552 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: This is why when you see North Korean celebratory events 553 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: in totalitarian governments, they are exaggerating their enthusiasm for fear 554 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: of potentially being severely consequented if they engage in behavior 555 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: that doesn't suggest that they are fans of the dear leader. 556 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: This is why you have to have the painting or sorry, 557 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: the photograph of in a prominent place of Kim Jong 558 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: Un off side of your home. 559 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 2: And if you and if it's damaged, you can be 560 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 2: you can be sent to the camps, or you can 561 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 2: even be executed. That photo is more important in North 562 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 2: Korea than your own family. And that is that is 563 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 2: by law there, not that there's really law, but by 564 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, the writ of the 565 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 2: of the totalitarian system that they have. 566 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 3: We got more call, you know, Claid, you want to want, 567 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 3: We want to we do. 568 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 2: A lovely read here and we'll take some more calls 569 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 2: the other side because we've got every line lit still. 570 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, We'll continue to take your calls. We 571 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: want you to be able to react. It's been a 572 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: tough week for many of us, all of us really 573 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: out there in the audience right now. Eight hundred and 574 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: two A two two eight A two. You can also 575 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: hit us up on the talk back. If you don't 576 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: want to wait in line and you want us to 577 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: be able to potentially play your talkback, go hit the 578 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: mic on the iHeart app and you can send us 579 00:30:55,160 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: a message there. Unfortunately, Buck, we already lost on the 580 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: prize picks Pick. It was a tough one last night. 581 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels did not come through for us. Congratulations to 582 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: all the Packer fans. Jaden Daniels did not come through. 583 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 2: And uh and you put money on Sequan, because how 584 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 2: could we expect a different outcome here? Sequan has not 585 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 2: yet played. Okay, hold on, correction, we won. 586 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 3: We won. 587 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: This is a man look at this. I apologize. I 588 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: was at my ninth grader's game last night, so I 589 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: did not get to watch, and then we went out 590 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: to dinner. I did not get to watch Washington Green 591 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: Bay full confession last night. I knew it was a 592 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: really bad game for Washington. They scored two touchdowns late, 593 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,719 Speaker 1: and by the grace of Prize Picks, those two touchdowns 594 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: late were very beneficial to us in the fourth quarter, 595 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: and as a result, we actually did win the first 596 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: leg of our three way hopefully payoff. So if you 597 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: played along Prize picks dot Com code Clay, you won 598 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: last week four point two, five to one. We are 599 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: two thirds of the way to a five to one payout, 600 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: So fingers crossed. If Dereck Henry scores this weekend, we 601 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,239 Speaker 1: will get a five to one payout. Five to one 602 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: payout going on now. Derrick Henry to score a touchdown 603 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: rushing or receiving. That's all we need to win back 604 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: to back weeks. Thanks to Jaden Daniels coming through for 605 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: us always been a big Jaden guy. Go right now 606 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: to prizepicks dot com. Use my name Clay. That's pricepicks 607 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: dot com. My name Clay. You get fifty dollars when 608 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: you play five dollars. You can play in California, at Texas, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, 609 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: forty states, thirteen million of you playing fifty dollars. All 610 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: we need is a Dereck Henry touchdown and we will 611 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: cash back to back weeks four point twenty five to 612 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: one and five to one. Fingers cross prize picks dot com. 613 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 5: Code Clay, stories of Freedom, Stories of America, inspirational stories 614 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 5: that you unite us all each day. 615 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: Spend time with Clay and buy find them. 616 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 5: On the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. 617 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 2: All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. 618 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 2: Let's dive into some talkbacks and some calls, and we 619 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 2: just we greatly appreciate all of you in this week 620 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 2: to be able to come together with you and to 621 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 2: have this time where we can grieve but also celebrate 622 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 2: the incredible legacy of our friend Charlie Kirk and make 623 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 2: sure that everyone knows that we stand together. We are unbowed. 624 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 2: We are unbroken, and we will continue on in this fight. 625 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 2: And we do this for all of you every day, 626 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 2: and we know that you are with us in this 627 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 2: so thank you so much for that. We'll let's do, 628 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 2: first off, a call here Ted from Texas. Go ahead, Ted, 629 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 2: I think. 630 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 4: You brought a young generation in together. I was calling 631 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 4: on the day of his assassination. I was carputing with 632 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 4: about six boys in my car. I'm talking about black kids, Hispanic, 633 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 4: white kids, and all they did was talk about Charnie Kirk. 634 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 4: I go, what do you know about him? And they go, 635 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 4: he just destroys liberals. We watch my on TikTok YouTube 636 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 4: and it's so funny. I go, well, that's not part 637 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 4: of Charni Kirk. It's not only about the funny stuff 638 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 4: that you see that he destroys the Democrats. Let's talk 639 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 4: about the man. And so I got into that conversation. 640 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 4: I said, what he does. What I want you to 641 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 4: do is watch him and how he verbalizes. Because you're 642 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 4: gonna have job interviews someday, You're gonna have you know, 643 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 4: meet girl, all these stuff you do, it's gonna be 644 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,959 Speaker 4: I'm just emotionally pissed off. 645 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 10: But it's like you why and watch him and watch 646 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 10: what he does and how he speaks, and that's more 647 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 10: important than what you guys think is funny on YouTube. 648 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, no, no, don't be saying thank you for 649 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 2: calling in, thank you for sharing with us, Teb, we 650 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 2: appreciate you. You take care of those boys, thank you. 651 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 2: I think Buck what he's getting at, though, is go 652 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 2: to people where they are a lot. 653 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: Of these young kids, they see the funny clips of 654 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: somebody making what do they think is funny? They think 655 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: a ridiculous, indefensible argument is funny when it is pointed 656 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: out to be ridiculous and indefensible. And that's what Charlie 657 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 1: has done. And sometimes you know this, everybody knows this. 658 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: Sometimes the best way to reach people to change minds 659 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: is through humor because it isn't as dogmatic, and humor 660 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 1: allows nuance. And what is the ultimate enemy to all authoritarians? 661 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 2: Why can't make a joke about them? You can't make 662 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 2: a joke about Kim Jong un? You'll be murdered. AA 663 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 2: listener talkback, Robert from San Diego, play it. I believe 664 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 2: this is probably one of the best shows that you 665 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 2: have ever done. You are telling the truth and you 666 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 2: are telling it with sincerity. 667 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,760 Speaker 3: Thank you well, Thank you, Robert. 668 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 2: We really really appreciate the support and we certainly need 669 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 2: it right now. We all need it. Todd from New 670 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 2: Jersey listens on wor play CC. 671 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 8: This is one of your. 672 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: Three hour brigade. 673 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 2: Men, profoundly touched by your emotions and your sentiments, and 674 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 2: thank you so much for being there. We love all 675 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 2: of you in our three hour brigade, and all of 676 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 2: you who listen at any point, thank you so much. 677 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 2: That was in reference to yesterday's show, but we wanted 678 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 2: to hear from Todd. We'll dive into more here our 679 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 2: three and try to get ourselves in the right frame 680 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 2: of mind to get it in the weekend.