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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven. First

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Speaker 1: Online dot com investigative reporter Levi Paige, tell me, first

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Speaker 1: get my little baby to eat to keep her healthy.

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Speaker 1: To imagine, I don't have any trouble with John David eating.

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Speaker 1: I mean I have to. I found a stash at

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Speaker 1: old Halloween candy behind a curtain. I got rid of it.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, there's got to be something wrong with

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Speaker 1: two year old kit cats, but apparently not to him.

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Speaker 1: So it's just so hard for me to take in

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Speaker 1: what this mom did. Oh take a listen to this.

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Speaker 1: That's just not a child abuse case where a kid

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Speaker 1: has a broken bone. He's been in a hospital setting,

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Speaker 1: under nursing and doctor care. So what are they to

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Speaker 1: accuse her off? I mean out if it's malnutrition, well,

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Speaker 1: it's on your watch. He's in the hospital, right, are

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Speaker 1: you starving him? How are you accusing the mama of malnutrition?

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Speaker 1: He's in your facility. And if you'll remember counts one

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Speaker 1: and two, she made doctors perform a necessary surgeries by

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Speaker 1: giving false and fictitious information. Really, what what could the

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Speaker 1: mama say that could cause a doctor to cut on

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Speaker 1: a child? And God forbid, if you question a doctor

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Speaker 1: or things don't go exactly as predicted, they're going to

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Speaker 1: turn the table on you. This is a recipe of

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Speaker 1: how an innocent great mamma finds herself a criminal defendant. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and you, of course we're hearing from the defense attorney

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00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: there trying to blame doctors in hospitals for this woman

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Speaker 1: starving her child. Well, isn't it true to you? Leave

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Speaker 1: age Crime online dot Com investigated a reporter that the

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Speaker 1: doctor's got so suspicious of the mother they took the baby,

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Speaker 1: the child, the boy away and fed him food. And

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Speaker 1: what did you tell me? He ate a taco grande

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Speaker 1: or something? What was it? He ate on his own

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Speaker 1: a bean and cheese burrito cake, twenty ounces of sweet tea.

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Speaker 1: And that's not all, Nancy. When he was removed from

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Speaker 1: his mother's custody when she was charged criminally, he started

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Speaker 1: eating normally by mouth. He quickly gained ten pounds. He

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Speaker 1: had his central line and colostomy bag removed, and started

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Speaker 1: immediately getting healthy a colostomy bag. This mother went along

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Speaker 1: with her son getting a colostomy bag. First of all,

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Speaker 1: doctor Sperry, what is a colostomy bag? And you heard

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Speaker 1: this lead defense attorney whining, what could a mother say

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Speaker 1: to make a doctor perform a surgery? Well, I can

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Speaker 1: tell you this much. Do you remember, doctor Sperry. I

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Speaker 1: think I told you about it. When John Dave was

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Speaker 1: about three, he was at a birthday party and it

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Speaker 1: was on a professional grade basketball court, and he tripped

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Speaker 1: and I saw it happen. I couldn't run fast enough

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Speaker 1: to get to him. He tripped with mid airborne and

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Speaker 1: he hit his head. He was in the hospital for

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Speaker 1: days while they tried to figure out the damage that

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Speaker 1: had been done to him. He was concussed in a

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Speaker 1: bad way. So I kept saying, well, I want to

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Speaker 1: know if this has affected his brain. I want to

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Speaker 1: know this. I want to know that. They did all

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Speaker 1: kind of tests on him to find out what exactly

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Speaker 1: was happening. But give me an idea, Doctor Sperry, if

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Speaker 1: what a mother could say as the puppeteer to pull

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Speaker 1: the strings of the doctor, Well, the mother would describe,

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Speaker 1: say very graphically that every every fine everything I give

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Speaker 1: him to give him to eat, he throws up. He

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Speaker 1: vomits constantly. It doesn't matter what I give him, he

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Speaker 1: throws it up. Um or even add into that diarrhea,

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Speaker 1: it does not. Every time I feed him something he

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Speaker 1: just had in minutes, he has a horrible diarrhea that

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Speaker 1: will last on and on on. And meanwhile, while the

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Speaker 1: mother is giving this history, which is all live, the

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Speaker 1: doctors looking at a child who is to wait shows that, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, the story that's being told makes the doctor

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Speaker 1: think that there is something wrong with the structures of

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Speaker 1: the of the valves inside. But you say, the stomach

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Speaker 1: and the small intestine, or there's something wrong, uh with

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Speaker 1: a part of the large map on the colon. And

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Speaker 1: you know, the more the mother describes and the doctor's

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Speaker 1: looking this underweight child, she's describing things that might be

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Speaker 1: blockages of the intestine, say, or abnormal formation of parts

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Speaker 1: of the intestine. And that's what would cause the doctor

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Speaker 1: then to say, well, we need we need to do

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Speaker 1: some surgery here. I need to look around and see

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Speaker 1: what's going on, when in truth there's nothing but see

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Speaker 1: I remember, it's the mother giving the history to the doctor.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile the doctor is looking with his own eyes, her

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Speaker 1: own eyes, at a terribly underweight child. Right, so there's

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Speaker 1: something wrong. So long story short, she's playing the doctors

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Speaker 1: like a fiddle, and now the defense is trying to

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Speaker 1: blame the doctors. To you, James Shelnutt, twenty seven years

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Speaker 1: Metro Major case, now lawyer, I would charge that mother

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Speaker 1: with every time there was an unneeded surgery because at

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Speaker 1: herbie Hesket, because of what she told the doctors was

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Speaker 1: in all the medical reports. That's why they did the surgery,

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Speaker 1: because they why not believe the mother for Pete's sake,

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Speaker 1: And every time that child was cut open and during

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Speaker 1: a colostomy bag, which is my understanding, where you pop

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Speaker 1: into a bag that comes through a tube outside. You

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Speaker 1: have a permanent hole in your stomach and you poop

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Speaker 1: into a bag. Isn't that what a colostomy bag is? Okay?

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Speaker 1: So I would charge her with every single one of

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Speaker 1: those as a felony aggravated assault. Oh agree, you know

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Speaker 1: This is the type of case that you look at,

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Speaker 1: whether the prosecutor or investigator in this case, if you're

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Speaker 1: involved in the prosecution of this matter, it raises your

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Speaker 1: blood pressure. No matter how hard you try to stay

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Speaker 1: objective about this, this is a type of case that

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Speaker 1: makes you mad and you have no mercy about this case.

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Speaker 1: You will full justice for this child, and you take

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Speaker 1: that extra time to investigate every single fact and bring

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Speaker 1: every single charge possible and hold this woman fully accountable

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Speaker 1: for the torture of this child. Hospice workers reported that

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Speaker 1: the mother, Danita Tut, removed the little boy from their

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Speaker 1: care without the doctor's permission, and districtgardfers helped them well

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Speaker 1: being to let them go home and die. Essentially, Danita

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Speaker 1: Tut found guilty and sentenced and is now taking to

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Speaker 1: the airwaves once again. Me me, me, me, me me,

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Speaker 1: I've been mistreated. Well, you know what, Dnita Tut, I

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Speaker 1: think the jury gotta right. Nancy Grace Crimes Story signing

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Speaker 1: off good Bye Food