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Speaker 1: Yes, it's still Tuesday, February three, twenty twenty six. This

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Speaker 1: is no dunks. We're in the yard. I'm Jay Skeets.

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Speaker 1: We got Task Mellis, we got Tray Kirby, and we've

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Speaker 1: got some trades, multiple trades coming through here this afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Let's break them down. How you guys doing. Did everybody

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Speaker 1: even get luncheon before we jump into these? Cause I'm

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Speaker 1: starving right now. I didn't eat.

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Speaker 2: I was dressing a salad while looking at my phone.

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Speaker 2: An alert pops up. Boom, salad being dressed, mouth dripping lettuce,

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Speaker 2: everything coming out as I'm reading this, trying to interpret

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Speaker 2: how many guys are going which way? Yes, I'm fed?

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Speaker 1: TK. Did you get any meatballs in?

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Speaker 3: I did. I had a giant bowl of leftover spaghetti

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Speaker 3: and meat the balls and they were delicious. Now I'm

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it. If you're new here, thanks for

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Speaker 1: go daily with this show ten am every day, Monday

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Speaker 1: through Friday, so make sure you join us. Then first trade,

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Speaker 1: we'll start with the one that came while Task was

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Speaker 1: eating salad, and that is the Memphis Grizzlies are trading

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Speaker 1: forward Jaron Jackson Junior, John Conchar, Jock Landell, and Vince

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Speaker 1: Williams junior to the Utah Jazz for Walter Clayton Junior,

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Speaker 1: Kyle Anderson, Taylor Hendrix, George Niang, the Minivan himself, and

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Speaker 1: three future first round picks. Schaum's the first to report this,

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Speaker 1: though I saw Jake Fisher's mustache, reporting that the Jazz,

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Speaker 1: when it gets into those picks, it is the most

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Speaker 1: favorable of the twenty twenty seven first round pick between Cleveland,

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Speaker 3: So here we go.

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Speaker 1: Tas Mellics Jared Jackson Junior the first Domino to fall

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Speaker 1: in Memphis going to the Utah Jazzer thoughts.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm saying this. This is a win win.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited for both teams in this scenario. I'm pretty

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Speaker 2: happy for the Memphis Grizzlies to reset what they got

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Speaker 2: with Jaron Jackson Junior at the top wasn't getting them

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Speaker 2: anywhere deep into the playoffs. They have that sort of

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Speaker 2: they could get for Jared Jackson Junior and all those

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Speaker 2: really comes down to is the three first first round picks.

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Speaker 2: But I think Walter Clayton was important in receiving that

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Speaker 2: and those picks. As you broke down there, that's a

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Speaker 2: the Laker one, and the Suns one. I think that's

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Speaker 2: as good as you can get for Jared Jackson Junior

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Speaker 2: right here, right now. There's lots of depth, you know,

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Speaker 2: a complete entire reset. And as far as the Jazz go, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I can't believe, but I think they can't just continuously

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Speaker 2: they do that They literally they've got four guys who

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Speaker 2: could play in the Rising Stars challenging in a couple weeks,

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Speaker 2: zero of them are playing. I'm sure they would have

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Speaker 2: actually asked the Memphis Grizzlies, hey, can we give you

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Speaker 2: kind of messed that one up last year. So going

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Speaker 2: to build around Keante, George Lowry, Market and now Jared

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Speaker 2: Jackson Junior, three guys who could score. Obviously, this is

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Speaker 2: such a great compliment for beside Larry Markinen to have

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Speaker 2: Those three scoring guys, guys who are capable of scoring,

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Speaker 1: Okay, Trey Tesk calls it a win win two thumbs

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Speaker 1: up from both sides here. He understands what both squads

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Speaker 3: What do you think, Well, first and foremost, we got

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Speaker 3: I think this is good for both teams. I'm personally

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Speaker 3: But yeah, let's start with the Jazz side of things,

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Speaker 3: Because I think a lot of the success for marketing

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Speaker 3: But like tass Is say, and they could play a

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Speaker 3: They have so many surplus picks that they're barely trading

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Speaker 3: This at least gives them a pathway forward to building

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Speaker 3: I just think this is smart. Once they traded Desmond Bay,

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Speaker 3: It went poorly this season, and now they've got thirteen

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Speaker 3: So I personally have thought Jared Jackson Junior was totally

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Speaker 3: awesome game against the Timberwolves last night, looked the most

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Speaker 3: engaged I've seen him this season. He must have known

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Speaker 3: So I think this is a win win for both sides.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't say I disagree. I get the reasoning

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Speaker 1: Like that be a special cores, I think having moving forward,

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Speaker 1: So I think that's good work. And yeah, the Grizzlies

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Speaker 2: That would be the move, that would be the smart move,

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Speaker 2: And it's not going to be the same draft capital

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Speaker 2: So they have to get worse, and this was the

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Speaker 2: As this whole John Morant kind of cloud hangs over

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Speaker 2: But this is just the absolute perfect time. And as

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Speaker 1: Trade. Do you think it's possible we see these two

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Speaker 1: Not this here, you're thinking John Moran, and you honest

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Speaker 3: who can shoot. And for the Timberwolves, this is just

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Speaker 3: all about getting under the second apron so they can

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Speaker 3: aggregate contracts. They're shipping off Mike Conley ten million dollars

434
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Speaker 3: off the books for them for nothing, saves them some

435
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Speaker 3: tax and get them some flexibility. So I think it

436
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Speaker 3: might be a win win win. It just could be

437
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Speaker 3: a win win win type of day.

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Speaker 4: Wow wow wow. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: As far as Jade and Ivy goes, I want to

440
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Speaker 2: see him healthy for a full season to see how

441
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Speaker 2: he can grow. After we saw him at the Cosmopolitan

442
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Speaker 2: Pool once upon a time when he was just a

443
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Speaker 2: young kid, I thought there is definitely some prospect for

444
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 2: this guy. Watching him on the floor in his games.

445
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Speaker 2: I wanted to see him for a full season under JB.

446
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 2: Bickerstaff in Detroit. That hasn't worked out, but hopefully it

447
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Speaker 2: will in Chicago now with Mike Conley. Junior's so odd

448
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 2: to see Minnesota just get basically expend him. It's obviously

449
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Speaker 2: for the money and it is unfortunate. What do they

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Speaker 2: do from here is a fair question. I mean, is

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Speaker 2: it strictly about money or is there somebody coming in

452
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Speaker 2: to fill that hole shortly, because a place where they're

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Speaker 2: lacking is a ball handler. So it sure makes sense

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Speaker 2: that they would go get some either oldie or some

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Speaker 2: cheapye one or two or both. If it does work out.

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Speaker 2: I'm starting to fall off the Chris Paul bandwagon. He's

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Speaker 2: obviously both of those things, both old and both the

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Speaker 2: ball handler and both the guy who can you know,

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Speaker 2: throw his weight around a locker room, which is something

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Speaker 2: they may need. So I wouldn't be surprised if that

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Speaker 2: is the case in that instance. And as far as

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Speaker 2: Kevin Hurder is exactly what he what you mentioned there, Tree,

463
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Speaker 2: he is Big Hurder, big game winner, Kevin Herder, game winner,

464
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Speaker 2: haven't heard her winner? Whatever he is. He's hit a

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Speaker 2: game winner this season. He can get Game seven, Kevin,

466
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Speaker 2: Game seven Kevin.

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Speaker 3: Sure. So they called him here in Atlanta after that

468
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Speaker 3: one awesome Game seven against the seventy six ers.

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Speaker 4: Oh what a series. He was so good.

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Speaker 2: That was That's where Kevin Hrder's career peaked, unfortunately, But

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Speaker 2: he hit the game winner a couple of weeks ago, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean that was what I thought was Yes he.

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Speaker 4: Did, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was the season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So here we are or.

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Speaker 1: He did the pretend fallback like he was daring Roser reaction.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he can go hit some shots for the Pistons.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's any doubt of that. But Minnesota

479
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 2: has to have something cooking here, right.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they're in the I mean they are in

481
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Speaker 3: the rumors for Yannis and for James Harden. That got

482
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Speaker 3: to be looked at as a Jama Rant team. I

483
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Speaker 3: would think so as well. And getting under the second

484
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Speaker 3: April means they can combine some of their lesser used

485
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Speaker 3: players into a bigger deal. So this for sure is

486
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Speaker 3: a first of many moves for the Timberwolves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because they create tax savings, significant tax savings. And

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Speaker 1: then yeah, they also open up a roster space too.

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Speaker 1: There's that part as well, with a couple guys going

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Speaker 1: out from Detroit side of things. Like, Okay, Kevin Herder

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Speaker 1: hit a game winner. He's not a great three point shooter,

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Speaker 1: He's for his career, he struggled this year. I'm not

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Speaker 1: the biggest Hurder fan. He'll have his moments. I'm just

494
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Speaker 1: like a little bummed out that this is all the

495
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Speaker 1: Pistons ultimately got for Jade and Ivy and I get it.

496
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Speaker 1: Because like a contract situation is coming up, and you

497
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Speaker 1: have Kate, you have your star guard and then your

498
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Speaker 1: other pieces. But I was hoping at this deadline, we

499
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Speaker 1: talked about it, like would they make a move for

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Speaker 1: Michael Porter junior, or like could they come over the

501
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Speaker 1: top for like a Trey Murphy the third with a

502
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Speaker 1: lot of draft capital, Like I feel like that's unlikely now,

503
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Speaker 1: and that's probably right. They're gonna slow play this. They're

504
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Speaker 1: trying to win a playoff series obviously, like they're the

505
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Speaker 1: best team in the East this year, but it is

506
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Speaker 1: usually baby steps with this stuff. Like I don't think

507
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Speaker 1: anybody's saying they're going right through to the finals despite

508
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: having a great record. So I get that, but just

509
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: a little a little bummed because I think it's a

510
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: nice pickup by the Bulls. I'm with you, TK, like

511
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Speaker 1: it's Bilo obviously, and I think he is a good player.

512
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: There's still a really good player in there who you

513
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: know was injured and then was coming off the bench

514
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: this year, and yeah, I didn't have a huge opportunity.

515
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Speaker 1: I would have love to see him get back to

516
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Speaker 1: what he was doing last year there when he was Yeah,

517
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 1: that forty percent three point shooter and was attacking a

518
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 1: lot more. And he's super young still of course, So

519
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 1: nice move by the Bulls. You've won two trades in

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Speaker 1: a row.

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Speaker 3: My man, Well, let's see Ivy literally do anything. I

522
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 3: feel like he hasn't hardly showed anything in the NBA.

523
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 3: He can't really finish and shut inside, which is a

524
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 3: problem because that's the majority of his offense. He's more

525
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 3: of a driver and a transition player right now. Bulls

526
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 3: want to be in transition and they need some young

527
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Speaker 3: guys who at least have upside, and Ivy I do

528
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 3: think has that.

529
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he started last season so well shooting those

530
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Speaker 2: thirty games.

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Speaker 3: Man, it was thirty games. Yeah, yeah, you gotta do

532
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 3: it for a whole season.

533
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

534
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Speaker 2: Well, then he had his fibia broken. I mean that

535
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 2: is a part of it. Maybe I'm wrong about the phibe. Anyways,

536
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 2: a lower part of his leg when he was literally

537
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: taken out his feet taken out from under him by

538
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 2: Cole Anthony. And he didn't have this season's training camp.

539
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: He's been hurt for a long time. So the guy

540
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 2: starts to rise in year three and then bam, he's broken. So, yes,

541
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 2: he hasn't he hasn't peaked. Yeah, it's a goodbye for sure.

542
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: He's only twenty three years old, almost turning twenty four

543
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: birthday right around the corner of February thirteenth. Look at

544
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: that happy birthday in advance to Jade and Ivy. Anything

545
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: else tk here on either of these two trades today,

546
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: Shall we just sign off before a third one happens,

547
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: because maybe now we're rolling here.

548
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe we are rolling. I have to think that

549
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 3: the balls will continue to be active shopping there, guys,

550
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 3: We'll see if there's any takers. My guess is that

551
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 3: you can probably get with the way the market is,

552
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 3: like you can probably get Io or Kobe for a

553
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 3: combination of like maybe maybe like one protected first round

554
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 3: pick for either of them, more likely like seconds. Nobody's

555
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 3: gonna take Vooch. That's a buyout guy for sure. Mike

556
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 3: Conley does he stick around in Chicago like nice met

557
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 3: to have around, But he could be using his time

558
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 3: better I think in Chicago. Uh, but we'll see.

559
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good call.

560
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 2: I've always been high on the idea that iod assume

561
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: it would go to Denver to be on their bench.

562
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 2: But even his expiring deal might be a little too

563
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 2: much for them, but Mike Conley could fit. Just to

564
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 2: have somebody out there. Obviously not as good as Iodassum,

565
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: but they need a ball handler to help them, just

566
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: just just in case, just to be that Reggie Jackson

567
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 2: when you need him for fifteen minutes in a playoff

568
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: game and then you go and win the title.

569
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 4: There's they just need one more ball handler there.

570
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: And uh, Trey, correct me if I'm wrong, But Dario

571
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: Sarich never played for the Chicago Bulls. But did he

572
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: did he get a number? Did they give him a

573
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: jersey number?

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Speaker 3: Oh? I never saw a Dario sar We'll wear X

575
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 3: for Ball Bowl.

576
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't see it either. I didn't know if

577
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:06,479
Speaker 1: I missed it.

578
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think he was kind of it was

579
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 3: known that this is a contract man rather than a

580
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 3: player man.

581
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

582
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: So he is obviously spun to another Central Division team here,

583
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: so at least he's in the area. He's still by

584
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: the Great Lakes.

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00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 3: I lied, I lied. Apparently he was supposed to wear

586
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Speaker 3: number twenty.

587
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: No number twenty, Okay, that's what he wore. That's what

588
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: he wore the Kings. I think he didn't play a

589
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: lot but I'm pretty sure that's.

590
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 2: What he before for sure.

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00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he definitely was a twenty man. Okay, we'll

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