Speaker 1: Uh, check it down, man, now down man. It's the
Speaker 1: Leading the Book Podcast, Gil Alexander, Parts du Part two
Speaker 1: of Christie Andrews Today. We gave you part one on Monday,
Speaker 1: the audio version of a whole bunch of story times
Speaker 1: put together. This is maybe even better today, if that's
Speaker 1: even possible. Great collection of stories today, not often told.
Speaker 1: Some of the more obscure stories, one of which I
Speaker 1: think might be the most underrated of all of Chris's
Speaker 1: stories attribute to his book. Then one day four years
Speaker 1: of book making, a Nevada story time with Chris Andrews
Speaker 1: exclusively on the Beating the Book Podcast. Enjoy It's a
Speaker 1: numbers game with your host, Gil Alexander. You want Judios
Speaker 1: to believe in a a limit, Yes he is. It
Speaker 1: is a numbers game right here at Visa in the
Speaker 1: Vegas Stats and Information Network. Gil Alexander even have the
Speaker 1: uh the T shirt rocket a day on that one
Speaker 1: of those idiots who believes in analytics today, not much
Speaker 1: about analytics at all, in fact, nothing at all. It
Speaker 1: is part duh of Christie Andrews on the show Telling Stories.
Speaker 1: As promised on Monday, we did a whole show on Monday. Um,
Speaker 1: it's not b sides. It's not a step down for you,
Speaker 1: Stevie Wonder Fan, Stevie Wonder fans out there. It's like
Speaker 1: going from songs in the Key of Life to fulfilling
Speaker 1: Us first finale. If you're Billy Joel fan from the
Speaker 1: Stranger to fifty second Street, it's not a drop down
Speaker 1: at all. It's just another grade of another set of
Speaker 1: grade stories. Um and then tomorrow on the show Just
Speaker 1: looking Ahead, we got Bill Crackenburger, Mike Palm, Todd Wishnet,
Speaker 1: Brent Musburger later in the week. But let's do it.
Speaker 1: It's from his book Forty Years of Bookmaking in Nevada.
Speaker 1: It's called Then one Day, forty Years of Bookmaking in Nevada.
Speaker 1: We welcome back in our friend, the director of the
Speaker 1: South Point Hotel Casino sports book, My Mish Book of
Speaker 1: Christie Andrews. Good morning to you, Christie. How you doing? Oh?
Speaker 1: Hanging in there gilt stand? He Actually, I'm not that bad.
Speaker 1: I told you yesterday. I make the great prisoner. I'm okay,
Speaker 1: you know, just sitting here by myself. I'm sorry. If
Speaker 1: you committed a crime and they sent you to jail,
Speaker 1: they'd be like we can't break this guy. He's so comfortable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just give me my books and the internet. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm an occasional movie and I'm fine. I'm okay, man,
Speaker 1: they cannot break you. Uh, listen, we are lucky to
Speaker 1: have you. By the way, you get to hear Roxy
Speaker 1: from Thailand yesterday and Rufus, who had tested positively. You know,
Speaker 1: I well, I had texted Rufus the other day just
Speaker 1: to see how he's doing. Sounds like he's doing okay.
Speaker 1: I slept in yesterday and he gets against Lusen yesterday show.
Speaker 1: But you know, come my favorite guys in this business.
Speaker 1: And yeah, we're all worried about Rufus, you know, jeez.
Speaker 1: You know, he actually came down with the disease, but
Speaker 1: it sounds like he got through it. Okay, Yeah, he's good,
Speaker 1: He's all good. We're happy to have him, only happy
Speaker 1: to hear from him. All right, Chrissie again. Then one day,
Speaker 1: forty years of book making in Nevada wherever books are
Speaker 1: sold at is available. You told some great stories on Monday.
Speaker 1: Uh these are ones that aren't as told well, someoneret
Speaker 1: as told as often. But you got a great one
Speaker 1: to start with this morning. Yeah, you tease this one
Speaker 1: the other days. I feel we might as well start
Speaker 1: with this one, the Max story. And uh, this was
Speaker 1: when I first started to count Neva. So I was young.
Speaker 1: This is one. I was twenty five years old, and
Speaker 1: you know, when I look back, you know, it's probably
Speaker 1: a little bit of a mark, you know, running running
Speaker 1: a sports book, runner race book, and you know it's
Speaker 1: been around a little bit. But I'm only twenty five,
Speaker 1: you know, so probably you know, guys were definitely taking
Speaker 1: shots at me with a different propositions, just all kinds
Speaker 1: of stuff, you know. And one of them was this
Speaker 1: guy mat And he was a horse player, pretty pretty
Speaker 1: big horse player. He come in every day and he
Speaker 1: just start talking. I mean, we got to know each
Speaker 1: other a little bit after like it seemed like a
Speaker 1: couple of days or really a week something like that.
Speaker 1: Told me he was a hit man for Meyer Landsky.
Speaker 1: Guys out there don't know. Lanski was probably the number
Speaker 1: one Jewish mob guy in the world, and he had connections.
Speaker 1: A matter of fact, if you look at the if
Speaker 1: you watch Godfather to Hyman, Ross is modeled greatly after Landsky. Uh.
Speaker 1: And so they started telling me this stuff and I'm like,
Speaker 1: why would he tell me this? You know? And Nancy
Speaker 1: told a couple of people that's one of those deals
Speaker 1: where I didn't know whether believing or not, whether it
Speaker 1: was short. There's definitely an edge to this guy here.
Speaker 1: There was something going on there. And I knew a guy,
Speaker 1: you know, an older guy is no longer with us,
Speaker 1: but a much older guy who at one point in
Speaker 1: time they had been a bookmaker for Meyer. Landsky was
Speaker 1: connected with Landsky, and uh, and I called him up
Speaker 1: and I explained him the situation, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: and he listened. He said, wrong, the guy doesn't ring
Speaker 1: a bell. But this guy had been away from Landsky
Speaker 1: for at this point in time twenty thirty years at least,
Speaker 1: probably more than that, because it doesn't ring a bell.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it sounds like the kind of
Speaker 1: guy Meyer would use. And I remember the last words
Speaker 1: before we hung up, be careful, okay. So anyway, things happened,
Speaker 1: and you know, he started, yeah, like courting me, I
Speaker 1: guess in some ways. We went out to dinner maybe
Speaker 1: once or twice, and head lunched and we would have
Speaker 1: a cup of coffee together, and uh, you know, it
Speaker 1: just went on and it became I would say, friend Lee,
Speaker 1: even if we weren't friends, we're certainly friend leave and
Speaker 1: uh so at one point in time he was I
Speaker 1: guess he was more bad in the horse and says,
Speaker 1: you know, he needed eight hundred dollars. I don't know
Speaker 1: where he come up with that figure. Can I help
Speaker 1: him out? He says, I got some money coming in
Speaker 1: the next day or two, and I'll get it back
Speaker 1: to you when I get it. And I have eight
Speaker 1: hundred bucks, and you know, I mean I had it,
Speaker 1: but you know, at the time, I was a pretty
Speaker 1: young kid. Eight hundred bucks was a lot of money
Speaker 1: to me. But I said, yeah, sure, and I gave
Speaker 1: it to him, and what do you know, the next day,
Speaker 1: it just he disappears. Now when when he when we
Speaker 1: were together, we both kind of like the same girl,
Speaker 1: and he went after her hard and she she picked me,
Speaker 1: And there was like, can we listen, he's as human
Speaker 1: as anybody. Of course, yes, So there's like a little
Speaker 1: bit of resentment towards me because I wanted to marry
Speaker 1: this young lady. But you know, if I'm buried as
Speaker 1: this girl now, we weren't very good at the time,
Speaker 1: you know, but you know, we were definitely an item.
Speaker 1: We were to get it exanially. He disappeared. I not
Speaker 1: that surprised, just a little bit maybe, but you know,
Speaker 1: it's slightly surprised that he just vanished one day and
Speaker 1: I didn't see him. This probably went on for about
Speaker 1: maybe you know, about a month or so later, maybe
Speaker 1: six weeks later. I asked, this young lady was my
Speaker 1: first wife, sharing I said, yeah, you know, we had
Speaker 1: a day office. Let's go down to the track, Let's
Speaker 1: go to Bay Meadows, um, you know, for the day. So,
Speaker 1: you know, we got down of Bay Meadows, we're in
Speaker 1: the turf club and uh, as we're sitting around in
Speaker 1: the turf club, um, around the corner, here comes Max.
Speaker 1: Now I've been around enough to know that, you know, like,
Speaker 1: you don't want to challenge these guys, but you don't
Speaker 1: want to let them step all over you, because if
Speaker 1: you do let him step all over you, they don't
Speaker 1: really step all over you. So I see him, and
Speaker 1: I said, I gotta say something to him, and say Max,
Speaker 1: how you're doing. I'm still I wish Aaron, you know.
Speaker 1: And I just looked at her and said, go take
Speaker 1: a walk, you know, and I'm thinking to myself, I
Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen here. I mean, I
Speaker 1: was definitely scared, and I'm thinking, the last thing I
Speaker 1: need is for him to kill her. That's a laugh.
Speaker 1: And if he doesn't kill me, I really don't even
Speaker 1: want her there to witness it, because who knows what
Speaker 1: would happen after that. But I was no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: I was scared, you know, And I forgotten about the
Speaker 1: part I had forgotten the part that I had forgotten
Speaker 1: the part Chrissie that he actually liked her at one
Speaker 1: point that I that detail. I had to be liked
Speaker 1: her a lot. Yeah, Yeah, he liked her a lot.
Speaker 1: So that was That was another thing that again makes me,
Speaker 1: let's just say tad uneasy to put an um. So
Speaker 1: uh anyway, I says, yeah, so she likes she leaves,
Speaker 1: she goes, you know, and I said, you know, where
Speaker 1: are you? Then I said, well I got shot. Now
Speaker 1: you know a little backstory. Max was like a little
Speaker 1: powerful guy, and he was one of those guys you know,
Speaker 1: I swear to gun and all these years I've never
Speaker 1: seen any of the kid gain and lose weight like him.
Speaker 1: He'd go on the latest crash diets and he lose
Speaker 1: like pounds, like in a matter of a couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: and then like within days it seems like he gained
Speaker 1: it all back. It was one of those guys always
Speaker 1: had like a weight problems, and he was a little guy.
Speaker 1: He's only about five foot four, I'd say, you know,
Speaker 1: so it really show up on So I asked him,
Speaker 1: worry what I got shot? Really? Be goes, yeah, I've
Speaker 1: been in the hospital for a month. It's really okay.
Speaker 1: I said, well, congratulations. They looked at me, says, well,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about. I said, well, they're the
Speaker 1: first guy in history that went in the hospital for
Speaker 1: a month in game thirty pounds and he started laughing.
Speaker 1: So at that point he started laughing at him, like okay,
Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna kill me. So so anyway,
Speaker 1: like I said, we talked with him, wh I said,
Speaker 1: you know, Max, come on, man, you know I treated
Speaker 1: you pretty good. You know, am I gonna am I
Speaker 1: gonna see that eight hundred bucks or what? He says, Well,
Speaker 1: you know it's a kid. You know you really did
Speaker 1: treat me well. Uh you know, you know we were
Speaker 1: friends and uh, you know I'm I'm sorry I did this,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I think, uh, you know, I'll
Speaker 1: be up to Reno in the next you know, a
Speaker 1: couple of days, a couple of weeks, and I'll make
Speaker 1: it good. He said, I don't have it on me now,
Speaker 1: but it was in the turf club betting no horses,
Speaker 1: you know, but I don't have it on me now.
Speaker 1: It's okay, that's all right. I mean, how far is
Speaker 1: I gonna push this, you know? So uh So anyway, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we we kind of shake hands, and I'm thinking, okay,
Speaker 1: I got through that one, that that wasn't so bad.
Speaker 1: At least I kind of made my statement. And let's
Speaker 1: just say when I pouted myself down every night, I
Speaker 1: didn't even cool Hunter Bucks, so I had a feeling
Speaker 1: I wouldn't there see it. So anyway, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: time goes on. Uh and it's probably about a month
Speaker 1: or so later Nash see, I hadn't seen them. And
Speaker 1: back in those days, this is the nine one. So
Speaker 1: back in those days, you know, guys don't realize, say
Speaker 1: we get the out of town papers. You know, there
Speaker 1: was no internet, there's nothing like that to try to
Speaker 1: get as many out of town papers as you could,
Speaker 1: uh and try to just read up on what was
Speaker 1: going on in the world of sports. And we know
Speaker 1: it was actually a good position. We've got to San
Speaker 1: Francisco Chronicle every day. We also got the l a papers. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, we get the Portland's and Seattle papers, which
Speaker 1: were dead two papers at this time, both very good,
Speaker 1: you know, k do we get a Utah paper. We
Speaker 1: got to Las Vegas papers nationally. So there's a guy
Speaker 1: who had great little news stand in downtown. You know.
Speaker 1: I didn't go in there every day, and the guy
Speaker 1: was actually a better in mine. So I get all
Speaker 1: the papers every day, and usually with all those papers,
Speaker 1: I would just read the sports section and just throw
Speaker 1: the rest of the way. I didn't have time to
Speaker 1: read everything else. So this one day, for some reason,
Speaker 1: I got to San Francisco Chronicle and I for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: I just started reading the whole paper and I get
Speaker 1: to the local sections of the local San Francisco Bay
Speaker 1: Area section, and on the front page there's a murder
Speaker 1: and a motel parking lot in sam matale I. Look,
Speaker 1: Max Kirshner was murdering somebody, put a shotgun to his neck,
Speaker 1: pulled the trigger. He died, I think on the way
Speaker 1: to the hospital or shortly after he got the hospital.
Speaker 1: They declared him, said Jesus, you know, so there's definitely
Speaker 1: something going on with him. So that story, right next
Speaker 1: to that story, and a totally unrelated story, was a
Speaker 1: picture of Meyer Landskip, who was either being indicted or
Speaker 1: was in depositions or something like that over god knows
Speaker 1: what at that point in time, and I'm thinking to myself,
Speaker 1: there is no way this is a coincidence. Somebody at
Speaker 1: the paper knew something or suspected something. And and again
Speaker 1: right then I started getting the creeps. Well, first of all,
Speaker 1: he was dead, and I listen, despite what happened and
Speaker 1: all that, I still kind of like the guy. You know.
Speaker 1: Whether it's foolish on my part, it easily could be,
Speaker 1: but I kind of liked the guy, you know, So
Speaker 1: I read the story. You know, I mean, this is
Speaker 1: not how most people died, you know, you know, you're
Speaker 1: not going to your car at a motel and Santito
Speaker 1: and somebody comes up with a shotgun to your neck
Speaker 1: and pulls the trigger, and that's you know, there's something
Speaker 1: going on there. And then you have the Lancey story
Speaker 1: right next to it, and I'm thinking myself, you know,
Speaker 1: and to this day, I don't know how much of
Speaker 1: it is true, how much he isn't. But Gil, I
Speaker 1: know you did some google work while we were on
Speaker 1: the air when I first told this story, and there
Speaker 1: are things like, I think on those tax returns he
Speaker 1: put you know, uh, mafia muscle man or it must
Speaker 1: be a mafia man or something like like it was
Speaker 1: that kind of a guy. I mean, he was a
Speaker 1: total nut, you know, and he wrote a couple of books.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you'll go ahead, No, no, I'm saying the
Speaker 1: first time that you told this story on the podcast,
Speaker 1: the Beating the Book podcast, I was I was googling
Speaker 1: while towards the end of this story because I couldn't
Speaker 1: believe this story, and it got into like some microfiche
Speaker 1: images where that was what was revealed. We actually I
Speaker 1: actually did some here. First of all, before I even
Speaker 1: show this, we found um, how long after you had
Speaker 1: contact with him did this? Did you read this newspaper?
Speaker 1: Was it a year? Was it at six months? Like?
Speaker 1: What was it? Do you have the newspaper right there? Well,
Speaker 1: we don't have the one that you're talking about, but
Speaker 1: here on January, and Kelly, you can throw this up January. Uh.
Speaker 1: This is from the San Francisco Examiner. And as you
Speaker 1: point out, this is sort of it's down on the
Speaker 1: front page. This is in the California section. I guess
Speaker 1: they used to have a California section of the San
Speaker 1: Francisco Sunday Examiner. And the name of the pieces called
Speaker 1: boasting quote hit man, unquote, slain and san Mateo known
Speaker 1: for temper. That was the That was the title of
Speaker 1: the article. Yeah, known for temper. Would you like to
Speaker 1: be known for your temper? Uh? And next to it
Speaker 1: is an image of a book Joey Kills by Joey
Speaker 1: So all the while, Max, who was a hit man,
Speaker 1: also wrote books under the pseudonym Joey Um. And so
Speaker 1: there's a there's a picture of that. By the way,
Speaker 1: part of this article reads, and it's really small on
Speaker 1: visa dot com and Visa app, but I'll read it.
Speaker 1: I'll just read a little section of it which says
Speaker 1: um Joey in quotes, because that's again what he wrote
Speaker 1: the books as was not the type of man to
Speaker 1: argue with except you were just you were just smack.
Speaker 1: Is two hundred and fifteen pounds on a five ft
Speaker 1: five inch frame were pure muscle. That there's the part
Speaker 1: of joy. As his literary agent Richard Curtis of New
Speaker 1: York said, quote, he became so hostile when you sounded skeptical,
Speaker 1: it was better to believe him. Unquote. Uh. The comment
Speaker 1: was echoed by David Fisher, the man who helped Joey
Speaker 1: write his books. Uh. The New York freelance writer said
Speaker 1: he remembered, Uh, Joey. He remembered having dinner with Joey
Speaker 1: and with a few of his friends in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: Fisher said one of his friends asked, Joey, what would
Speaker 1: you say if I told you I didn't believe you?
Speaker 1: And Joey This is from the article here in the
Speaker 1: San Francisco Examiner again January, right after his death, Joey
Speaker 1: picked up a fork known as Joey, but this is
Speaker 1: actually Chriss Max. Here, Joey picked up a fork, leaned
Speaker 1: across the table and shoved it up against his friend's throat.
Speaker 1: I'd say to you say it again, Fisher quoted Joey.
Speaker 1: It's say by the way. The previous day, United Press
Speaker 1: International u p I, as those of a certain age
Speaker 1: will remember it. Uh. The dead man's brother, Morris Kirshner,
Speaker 1: said he's surprised. He was surprised by the killing. Uh.
Speaker 1: Quote said he was not surprised by the killing. They
Speaker 1: actually have a mission here. Quote. I just figured his
Speaker 1: time was due, he said that. Imagine, I can't imagine
Speaker 1: you must have been what like after you read all this,
Speaker 1: weren't you sort of like it wasn't that chilling for you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I think that when I told you the story
Speaker 1: the first time, I think I remember telling you a
Speaker 1: gun My heart is beating because I didn't tell that
Speaker 1: story to too many people over the years, you know,
Speaker 1: but I can feel my blood pressure rise, my pulse increase,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I was probably in a cold
Speaker 1: sweat the first time I told you that story on
Speaker 1: the podcast. Like I said, if he would have killed
Speaker 1: me that day when I was in Bay Meadows and
Speaker 1: psalm and you know, I don't want to, you know, confrontation,
Speaker 1: it's not even a proper language, you know. But when
Speaker 1: I saw him that day, uh, I wouldn't have surprised
Speaker 1: you that much. I mean I was I was prepared,
Speaker 1: Like you know, I'm not sure what's gonna happen here,
Speaker 1: and I was very happy. Now the you know, Sharon
Speaker 1: was not my wife at that time. So this happened
Speaker 1: in January of eighty two, so I only met him
Speaker 1: like in June of eighty one. So this all happened
Speaker 1: with him like seven months, you know. So this was,
Speaker 1: you know, whether rather rapidly, but yeah, I you know,
Speaker 1: confronted him over eight in our bucks, made a joke
Speaker 1: about his weight, and uh stole his girl from him.
Speaker 1: I think said he killed fifty Yeah, I think he
Speaker 1: said he killed fifty three people. I'm glad it wasn't
Speaker 1: fifty four, just when we put it that way, because
Speaker 1: I might not be here to tell those stories. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I look back and yeah, sure, and I when I
Speaker 1: saw some those details. Uh, you know, he stuck a
Speaker 1: fork at some guys stroke. I'm surprising at all. Not
Speaker 1: not in the least bit surprising. He was that kind
Speaker 1: of guy, and he could fly off the handle in
Speaker 1: the second it was five five and what they pay
Speaker 1: to Yeah, but as you said, is weight fluctuated from them? Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 1: From the u p I art from the u p
Speaker 1: I article from January two. As you point out, Kirshner
Speaker 1: claimed to have murdered fifty three people. His literary agent
Speaker 1: described him as a very funny, very colorful character who
Speaker 1: sported taps on his on his patent leather shoes and
Speaker 1: war and I'm curious if you remember this war an
Speaker 1: elaborate ring on his left pinky elaborate ring, not just
Speaker 1: the ring, and elaborate one. He said that in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy two, so ten years earlier, he was so taken
Speaker 1: with Kirshner stories that he had arranged for a ghostwriter
Speaker 1: to collaborate with the self styled hitman on a book.
Speaker 1: And so for those who are interested after this show,
Speaker 1: perhaps to to read read more about it. The name
Speaker 1: of the book and you can, actually, I think by
Speaker 1: this if it's in stock on Amazon. It's gold Killer Killer,
Speaker 1: the Biography of a Mafia hit Man, written under the
Speaker 1: pen name of Joey Black. And if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: and I have not watched this yet, but I think
Speaker 1: this morning, when I was doing just a little extra
Speaker 1: uh googling on this, I think there's a video of
Speaker 1: Max talking about this. Don't hold me to that it
Speaker 1: might be his literary agent, but there's a YouTube clip
Speaker 1: about this as well. So I mean this is some
Speaker 1: serious stuff. And again Chris Andrews here thirty eight years later. Uh,
Speaker 1: lucky to be here, because I said, I've never seen
Speaker 1: anybody gain so much weight in the hospital. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: I said, I look back at I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know how he let me get away with that,
Speaker 1: And I'm just taking a fork in my neck. I
Speaker 1: really don't know, you know, But but I know I
Speaker 1: kind of like me was person the funny guy, you know,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't have been that surprised to be killed
Speaker 1: me or tried to kill me at least, you know,
Speaker 1: the figure and all these things that happened along the
Speaker 1: way there. But unfortunately I'm here. So but the other
Speaker 1: things we're stanting to mention, you know, Yeah, the cops
Speaker 1: never came and questioned me or anybody account me either.
Speaker 1: And Matt, I mean, I'm starting, you know that such
Speaker 1: a I would figure I'd probably would be a suspect.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know, I mean, you know, you
Speaker 1: know me, I'm like, I killed somebody over eight hunder butts,
Speaker 1: you know, but I'm sure why wouldn't they even come
Speaker 1: and talk to anybody? You know? Obviously they they didn't
Speaker 1: care that much, you know, So as as as someone
Speaker 1: who has spent most of my adult life in the
Speaker 1: Bay Area, I'm not surprised that police work. Let's just
Speaker 1: put it that way. Glad you're here with us a
Speaker 1: classic story, and glad you're not victim number fifty four.
Speaker 1: Imagine he's like, yeah, fifty three, like he counted the
Speaker 1: guys that he murdered. We assume it's all guys. Uh.
Speaker 1: Next story coming up actually involves one of your long
Speaker 1: time friends and UH fraternity members bookmaking in Nevada. Nick
Speaker 1: Bogdanovich involved in the next one. It's a shorty coming
Speaker 1: up again the name of the book. Then one day
Speaker 1: forty years of book baking in the state of Nevada
Speaker 1: from Chris Andrews, available where all books are sold. U
Speaker 1: telling stories all day long, a special edition of story
Speaker 1: Time right here on the Numbers game at Visan the
Speaker 1: Sports Betting Network. Welcome back to a Numbers game with
Speaker 1: Jill Alexander Backs game is DAGE Live, San Francisco. At
Speaker 1: least I'm in San Francisco. Chrissie back in Nevada, back
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, UH telling the stories once again from
Speaker 1: his book. Then one day forty years of bookmaking in Nevada.
Speaker 1: We can flash that up on the screen. Whatever available.
Speaker 1: We're all books are sold, including Amazon. Uh maybe in
Speaker 1: the South Point gift Shop when it reopens, we don't know.
Speaker 1: We'll see if it's restocked. This one is a a
Speaker 1: quickie but involves Nick Bogdanovitch as well. Chris. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: was when Nick and I were working at the Golden
Speaker 1: Nugget together, and uh, you know, every day about last
Speaker 1: time we go and take a walk around town, and
Speaker 1: only one of the things about downtime least back then,
Speaker 1: and probably coming back to a lot of different sports
Speaker 1: books in town, you know, so it's like kind of
Speaker 1: a great way to, you know, shop for numbers and
Speaker 1: when you usually walk around see all the other sports books.
Speaker 1: We go out of the Golden Nugget and we'd walk
Speaker 1: up to El Cortes and I can't I can't remember
Speaker 1: if they were part of the South Point yet or not.
Speaker 1: They might not have been for a while. They were
Speaker 1: like a satellite at the South Point, and so may
Speaker 1: we go up there. We went to the Freemont, which
Speaker 1: was avoid property. We went to Union Plaza, which I
Speaker 1: think at the time was Lucky's. I think they had
Speaker 1: a sports book. And we go to Fitzgerald's, which was
Speaker 1: a leroise, you know, so we kind of make the rounds,
Speaker 1: just kind of look and numbers and seeing what was
Speaker 1: going on. I talked to the guys behind the counter,
Speaker 1: and that's what I think. So we going to Fitzgerald's,
Speaker 1: which this is the Dean now by the way, owned
Speaker 1: by our good friend Derek Stevens. So this was fitzgerald
Speaker 1: before Derek bought the place. And we go handing upstairs,
Speaker 1: and I think it was our last stop before we're
Speaker 1: heading back to the Golden Nugget. So we go in
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, we're talking a little bit and
Speaker 1: then we're gonna head and yeah, we're gonna go get
Speaker 1: the bathroom before we walk back to the Golden Mining. Okay,
Speaker 1: so walk into the bathroom and there's like five or
Speaker 1: six guys crowder around us. Stall. Now we walk in there. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm about about maybe forty eight or so at the time.
Speaker 1: I think Nick's about seven years younger. Me said he's
Speaker 1: forty one. We went the youngest in there by like
Speaker 1: twenty years, you know, probably in the whole place. You know,
Speaker 1: walk in there, there's all these and They look at
Speaker 1: us like, oh, here's these young studs don't know what
Speaker 1: to do. Okay, we look at it. They look at
Speaker 1: us like, what the hell is going on? So we're
Speaker 1: trying to get the door open. We we think this
Speaker 1: guy dead on on the toilet, Jesus, so we can't
Speaker 1: help him. You know, show me the door open. We
Speaker 1: get it open. We're looking side. Oh yeah, he's dead.
Speaker 1: He's dead on the toilet. The one you want to
Speaker 1: give him mouth to mouth recitation. No, I don't, but
Speaker 1: if you do, feel free, I'm not gonna do that.
Speaker 1: What do you think we drive? I think you just
Speaker 1: called security of what you do right now? You haven't
Speaker 1: done at all already. They're waiting for me and Nick
Speaker 1: Bugghim just to walk in the rescue the guy. You know,
Speaker 1: that's just a quick story, but one of the one
Speaker 1: of the tales of downtown lots day, just back in
Speaker 1: the day. So it was kind of a weird one.
Speaker 1: Did of a seam of murder, of the hurder, a
Speaker 1: bit of a scene of murder here so far murder.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure this guy was accept maybe is a
Speaker 1: high cholesterol diet something like that was probably uh, his
Speaker 1: life's choices. I think murdered him more than a guy
Speaker 1: like Joey Black I would. So anyway, just know that
Speaker 1: we come up on this segment pretty quick, so that's
Speaker 1: just that's just a pretty quick one. But just one
Speaker 1: of those things. And I guess they shouldn't be laughing.
Speaker 1: But you know, the guy wasn't older gentleman like I said.
Speaker 1: I went in. I was forty eight years old at
Speaker 1: the time. I was the youngest guy around, like like
Speaker 1: twenty years So yeah, anyway, I still tragic you're the guy.
Speaker 1: But it's just one of those weird stories in Las
Speaker 1: Vegas that I'm sure it happens elsewhere, but sure it
Speaker 1: seems like it happens in Las Vegas more often than
Speaker 1: than the other parts of the country. I was probably
Speaker 1: not in Beverly Hills. That's probably not what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: You're going to the restroom at the Beverly Hill probably
Speaker 1: not gonna gonna happen. I was gonna say, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, Chrissie. That was that's the hard rock every
Speaker 1: weekend about a decade or two ago. Uh in the back. No,
Speaker 1: I'm kidding um. By the way, I brought up murder,
Speaker 1: that you won't be Angela Landsbury for the rest of
Speaker 1: the show. But do you ever hear the pet summer
Speaker 1: All John Madden thing when they used to when Summer
Speaker 1: All used to promo murder, she wrote, at the end
Speaker 1: of the at the end of a football game on
Speaker 1: a Sunday, they they were getting so they would drink
Speaker 1: a lot that two of them spoiler alert um and
Speaker 1: then they decided to have a bet between each other
Speaker 1: to crack each other up. That every time at the
Speaker 1: end of the show or at the end of the game,
Speaker 1: as the game was winding down, some are all would
Speaker 1: try to make the gap between murder and she wrote
Speaker 1: longer and longer, so it got to the point where
Speaker 1: by the end of the season it would be like
Speaker 1: coming up except for those of you on the West
Speaker 1: Coast sixty minutes followed by Angela Landsbury and murder. She wrote,
Speaker 1: that kind of that kind of thing anyway, but no
Speaker 1: more murder, Christie coming back on a Dumble's Game. Then
Speaker 1: one day, four years of book making in a vat
Speaker 1: on the way back right here at Vista the Sports
Speaker 1: Petting Network, Welcome back to a Numbers Game with Jill
Speaker 1: Alexander It is a numbers game right here at theast
Speaker 1: of the biggest stats and information network, brought you by
Speaker 1: the bet MGM map. It's Gill Alexander live from San
Speaker 1: Francisco today, Chrissie Andrews on the phone. Uh. And for
Speaker 1: those just tuning in wondering, Oh, they're just telling stories
Speaker 1: all day. Uh. This is the sort of you know,
Speaker 1: the version of story time that Chrissy used to tell
Speaker 1: on the Beating the Book podcast, all sort of condensed
Speaker 1: into one show. We'll put it in podcast form later
Speaker 1: in the day as well, Chrissy. Uh. From Murder to Honor,
Speaker 1: this is about one of your mentors in the business. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is This is a story about Warren Nelson, who
Speaker 1: was the guy really who hired me at cal Neva.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, without Warren, without the cal Neva,
Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't be where I am today. So
Speaker 1: a lot of kudos to him. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: Warren stories I have, but this one is my favorite.
Speaker 1: I wasn't there for it, but so I can't vouch
Speaker 1: for the the the absolute truth of the story, but
Speaker 1: I can vote for the truth. If this is what
Speaker 1: Warren's told me, I can tell you that. I guess,
Speaker 1: let's just get into it. Warren was one of those guys.
Speaker 1: Grew up in Montana. And Warren's passed away. Now he
Speaker 1: was alive, he'd be about a hundred and ten, I think, so,
Speaker 1: you know, just to go back and subtractor when he
Speaker 1: would have been born, I guess about nineteen ten something
Speaker 1: like that. So grew up during you know, the early
Speaker 1: years and lived through his depression that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: So it really was the wild West back then. Sometimes
Speaker 1: Montana is still a little bit like that. Anyway, back
Speaker 1: in the day, Warren would tell me there's all kind
Speaker 1: of stuff going on in Montana. A lot of Chinese immigrants.
Speaker 1: They like to gamble on an awful lot of things.
Speaker 1: And and that's so there was a lot of Charlotteans
Speaker 1: around there. And Warren learned to to deal, to like
Speaker 1: deal black jack, poker or whatever. And he also learned
Speaker 1: a lot of magic tricks with cards. And he did
Speaker 1: something for me, like right in front of my eyes,
Speaker 1: and I mean, I'd be like, you know, two ft
Speaker 1: from him, and he mix the deck, mix the deck,
Speaker 1: mixed deck. Boom, here's the Ace of Spade. Holy crap.
Speaker 1: He mixes deck cut the cars. Boom, here's the Ace
Speaker 1: of Spades. You're sitting there like he's right and running
Speaker 1: and they don't only crap, how did he do this?
Speaker 1: You know? But he could do those kind of things.
Speaker 1: And as a twenty one dealer, he could also deal
Speaker 1: you from the bottom of the deck or whatever to
Speaker 1: give you any card he felt like, given you one.
Speaker 1: Kind of guys and uh, you know, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's some of them around, not too many anymore,
Speaker 1: I would hope, but they're still around anyway. So this
Speaker 1: was back I count EVA started in nineteen sixty two.
Speaker 1: Now that they was originally two places, the County EVA
Speaker 1: right along the state line up that uh uh an
Speaker 1: Incline Village in Lake tom and there was the county
Speaker 1: even downtown Rena. So I think they had split by
Speaker 1: this point and it was just the cal Neva in
Speaker 1: Reno and uh Reno for those folks that don't know,
Speaker 1: can be extremely seasonal. Uh if we get a bad winner,
Speaker 1: a lot of people can't come in from the Bay area,
Speaker 1: which is the big feed or market. They can't get
Speaker 1: over the hill. Um it's about a you know, I
Speaker 1: think about an eight thousand foot pass. You have to
Speaker 1: go over uh to get into Reno from California, and
Speaker 1: especially back then, you know, the road cruise weren't nearly
Speaker 1: as good as they are today. So a lot of
Speaker 1: times in the winter, Reno would you know, really be
Speaker 1: pretty slow. This was one of the This was one
Speaker 1: of those years and Calmy was just getting started and
Speaker 1: they were coming up the first year in business without
Speaker 1: the lake, and they weren't going to make paywall. Uh.
Speaker 1: They were struggling and they had expenses obviously, and they
Speaker 1: was coming up and they, you know, these guys, they
Speaker 1: didn't know what to do. Into the joint. One night
Speaker 1: came Pappy Smith. Now Pappy Smith and his son Harold
Speaker 1: owned Harold's Club in Reno. Now Harold's Club was really
Speaker 1: a pretty happening joint. And for those who remember, probably
Speaker 1: guys my age or even older, there were signs throughout
Speaker 1: the west about you know, X amount of miles to
Speaker 1: Harold's Club and Reno x, you know, and it was
Speaker 1: really kind of, uh, you know, pretty good marketing plan.
Speaker 1: And that was a thing. Harold, Pappy's son, was really
Speaker 1: the casino guy, and he started the company, started the casino,
Speaker 1: and Pappy came in and Pappy kind of almost mustled
Speaker 1: out his own son. You know, Pappy was not a
Speaker 1: casino guy, but he was a great promoter, which he
Speaker 1: really was. And Pappy was quite the character. I think
Speaker 1: he was married five times and even like some of
Speaker 1: his ex wives when they when they got you a couple,
Speaker 1: I know that we're very sick late late in their life. Uh,
Speaker 1: Pappy took care of them, you know, financially, So he
Speaker 1: good and dad was Pappy, as with most of us,
Speaker 1: very hard to just say he's a good guy or
Speaker 1: a bad guy or whatever. But it was definitely a
Speaker 1: promoter and uh, that sort of thing. So it was
Speaker 1: a very colorful character. So he's at the County EVA
Speaker 1: and he comes into the County EVA and this is
Speaker 1: during the wintertime, county of the sweat and whether they
Speaker 1: can make their payroll. He comes to the blackjack table
Speaker 1: buys in for thirty thousand. Like I said, this is
Speaker 1: early sixties, thirty thousands, pretty helping buying nowadays. What was
Speaker 1: a fourth and back then he buys in for thirty thousand.
Speaker 1: Warren moves the dealer off the game. He's going to
Speaker 1: deal himself to Pappy Smith. Again. Something you won't see nowadays.
Speaker 1: You know, So Warren starts dealing the Pappy well low
Speaker 1: and behold, Warren starts healing from the bottom of the debt.
Speaker 1: Or you know, however or however he did it, I
Speaker 1: really don't know, but you know, slowly but surely he
Speaker 1: gets Pappy for the thirty thousand. Now, Warren wouldell himself.
Speaker 1: He'd say, Cappy knew what was going on. Pappy knew
Speaker 1: he was being cheated and never said anything Warren. Warren said,
Speaker 1: Pappy must have known that we were in some desperate straits,
Speaker 1: weren't going to make payroll as he and even though
Speaker 1: they were right down the street and a competitor, Pappy
Speaker 1: let it go. I knew he was getting. Did they
Speaker 1: have a previous relationship, Chris, the two of them, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm sure they did. I'm sure they did, because that's
Speaker 1: the way Reno was. You know, certainly a very small
Speaker 1: town back then, and uh you know, a lot different
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, the downtown Reno a lot of little casinos,
Speaker 1: but you know, some of them were very profitable. I
Speaker 1: mean that Pappy's joint made a ton of money. Harold's
Speaker 1: Harolds because really one of the first uh No hotel
Speaker 1: or anything like that. Just the casino, and that was
Speaker 1: that was another part of the market around Reno. At
Speaker 1: that time. All the motels filled up. The hotels weren't
Speaker 1: all that big until much until later Harris came in
Speaker 1: and build a big tower and all that. But before
Speaker 1: that was really all the motels. So Pappy loses the
Speaker 1: thirty thousand and walks out, doesn't saye and even makes payroll.
Speaker 1: Wound up being very profitable, very very successful. Warren and
Speaker 1: all the owners became very wealthy. I don't know how much.
Speaker 1: Let's bookmark that story right here, because I gotta squeeze
Speaker 1: in one break. This is a good place to to
Speaker 1: sort of take that break, uh, And we'll get back
Speaker 1: to the conclusion of this story. We'll tell some other
Speaker 1: ones again for those just landing on the show today,
Speaker 1: just in the in the time that we are in
Speaker 1: these strange times of the coronavirus. Something to distract you,
Speaker 1: uh from yourself quarantining and from the uh, just sort
Speaker 1: of odd situation that we're all in these days. Some
Speaker 1: stories from back in the day from then one day
Speaker 1: forty years of book making in Nevada from Chris Andrews
Speaker 1: will continue in moments at Visa in these Sports Betting
Speaker 1: Network right here on a numbers game. Welcome back to
Speaker 1: a numbers game with Gil Alexander. It is enough as
Speaker 1: game Piel Alexander back here on the show, live from
Speaker 1: San Francisco. Chris Andrews kind enough to join us for
Speaker 1: the full two hours telling stories story time with Chrissie
Speaker 1: today on the show before we get back into the
Speaker 1: War and Nelson story, because it was an interesting point
Speaker 1: where you left off. I have to say, it's a
Speaker 1: beautiful day. It looks like it's going to be a
Speaker 1: beautiful day here in San Francisco. And I have to
Speaker 1: tell you, Chris, this is the part of quarantining that
Speaker 1: is that is not. I don't think enough is made
Speaker 1: of when the weather is terrible. I think everybody's cool
Speaker 1: on staying inside. When it gets beautiful like this, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. And think about it, Like in comparison, Roxy
Speaker 1: was making this point yesterday, how little we sacrifice of this.
Speaker 1: We're just being asked to stay on the couch and
Speaker 1: watch Netflix. Right, But when it's nice like this, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you there's gonna be tons of people running outside.
Speaker 1: It is. It is tough. It goes against our nature,
Speaker 1: even though we know that's what we're supposed to do
Speaker 1: these days. Oh yeah, Like I think you and I
Speaker 1: talked yesterday that our parents are grandparents, uh you know,
Speaker 1: Flotting wars yours escaped the Holocaust um and the sacrifice
Speaker 1: we have to do is wash our hands for twenty
Speaker 1: seconds and stay inside. You know, so amazing, amazing apatis
Speaker 1: compared to that. You know, this is a very serious crisis,
Speaker 1: and we can't you know, we have to take care
Speaker 1: of ourselves to take care of everybody else around us. Absolutely, absolutely,
Speaker 1: quick wrap up, please, a quick wrap up of that.
Speaker 1: Warren Nelson's story, just very quickly. So Warren beats the
Speaker 1: guy out of thirty thousand. He swears Patti Smith knew
Speaker 1: what was going on, but you know, and sometime in
Speaker 1: her on I don't know what six months, a year
Speaker 1: or two years, I have no idea. Warren wasn't specific
Speaker 1: about that. He told me. After Colt y Evil was born,
Speaker 1: like I said, they became very very successful. He took
Speaker 1: thirty thousand over the out of the cage and he
Speaker 1: went over to Harold's close and he purposely blew the
Speaker 1: thirty thousand. Back to Harald's club, back to Patty Smith
Speaker 1: and his son of Harold, and uh that Harold was
Speaker 1: actually the casino guy. But of course Harold knew what
Speaker 1: was going on, and just on the way out, Warren's
Speaker 1: just kind of nod at the Harold. Harold nodded back,
Speaker 1: and that was the end of it. He your audio,
Speaker 1: your audio, for sure, your your audio dropped out for
Speaker 1: a second. He did it playing black jack. He just
Speaker 1: purposely lost it on black jack. What how did he
Speaker 1: lose the money again? Yeah, he went over to play
Speaker 1: black jack and purposely lost it playing black jack. And
Speaker 1: Warren was pretty good black jack. He was pretty good
Speaker 1: at all those casino type games, you know, so, uh,
Speaker 1: forgetting to lose thirty thousand would not be you know,
Speaker 1: a normal thing. But he went over and purposely lost it.
Speaker 1: Back to Harold and Pappi Smith. So you know, good
Speaker 1: on mon for being a man of honor, which he was. Yeah, again,
Speaker 1: something you couldn't imagine a casino conglomerate CEO doing with
Speaker 1: another one today at least I just just wouldn't happen. Um,
Speaker 1: all right, but this uh oneted this tell this one too.
Speaker 1: You haven't told this one in a long time. Oh
Speaker 1: really okay, I hope obviously one of our favorite stories. Uh.
Speaker 1: This was back in the day at County even again
Speaker 1: it was nine two and uh one of the things
Speaker 1: we were doing at Caltyva we tried to add year
Speaker 1: round parlay cards and then you know, we tried to
Speaker 1: argue with Warren did not do this, you know, but
Speaker 1: he insisted on it and he did it. So he
Speaker 1: parley cards even through basketball season. Was one of those
Speaker 1: deals where it put out some numbers. We make the card,
Speaker 1: like on Wednesday or Thursday, even at by time Saturday
Speaker 1: and Sunday came around. Some of those numbers were really
Speaker 1: still and it was very playable card, h with a
Speaker 1: very slow whole percentage. But that's what Warren wanted, so
Speaker 1: that's what we did. Anyway. One, uh, this is one Saturday. Um,
Speaker 1: we had this guy who was as every sports book
Speaker 1: manager in town has at least one guy like this,
Speaker 1: probably more five dollar better and he's always betten you know,
Speaker 1: four or five, six, seven, eight teamers and he's a
Speaker 1: total pain in hees. Chris, I bet over on this game?
Speaker 1: Can I change it to under? The halfway through the
Speaker 1: part like you'd have an eight team or four in
Speaker 1: and he wanted to change it. Chris canna get listed
Speaker 1: pictures on this party. I mean, whatever could do to
Speaker 1: just be a pain, that's what he would say, you know.
Speaker 1: And this guy was the Psycho James we called them,
Speaker 1: and he wasn't psycho. A nice guy, but he was
Speaker 1: definitely had some some issues. Uh. Anyway, started coming up
Speaker 1: and this was like really a daily occurrence to go
Speaker 1: through this, you know, every day, every day. So finally
Speaker 1: I got tired of dealing and I said the James,
Speaker 1: I would love to do it, but you Lawando won't
Speaker 1: let me. Now you Lando Juna, who's been in this
Speaker 1: business about as long as I have, is that the
Speaker 1: mirage rights are about a couple of weeks ago. And
Speaker 1: we still laugh about this story. I would do and
Speaker 1: you Lawn that kind of ran the back room, she
Speaker 1: ran the race book, she handled all the computer stuff,
Speaker 1: all that sort of thing. And I would tell him James,
Speaker 1: I would do it, but you Lawn, they just won't
Speaker 1: let me do it. It's not on me, it's on
Speaker 1: your Landa. Oh oh, so you Lawana, she's the big boss. Yep,
Speaker 1: you Landa, She's the big boss if I could do
Speaker 1: what I would, but you Lawanda just won't let me
Speaker 1: do it. Oh okay, okay. So this would go on
Speaker 1: and he says, Chris, I know I want to change
Speaker 1: his ticket, but Yolanda won't let you do it. Oh no, James,
Speaker 1: I would love to personally, I would do it in
Speaker 1: a second, but Lawn, they just want him to do it.
Speaker 1: So we had our sports book and race book was
Speaker 1: separate at the time, and you lawn to, all the
Speaker 1: computers and everything were over in the race book. So
Speaker 1: Ylanda was working out of the race book and she
Speaker 1: come through the the sports book every now and then.
Speaker 1: And as she would come through, Now, James used to
Speaker 1: wear a hoodie. Now this was back in yet his
Speaker 1: hoodies were not all that popular and certainly see him
Speaker 1: a lot today, but they weren't around much back in
Speaker 1: that day. Well, he would like sinch up that hoodie
Speaker 1: and he looked like Kenny on South Park, you know,
Speaker 1: where you could barely see his eyes and he scrunched
Speaker 1: down in the chair. I mean, he was just an
Speaker 1: abject fear of Yolanda, just fear of Yulan. And Landa
Speaker 1: didn't even know this guy existed. And she didn't care less,
Speaker 1: like said, the guys the five dollar better. She never
Speaker 1: had to deal with them, of course, because he was
Speaker 1: scared to death of her. And I had to do
Speaker 1: it every day. So how is she gonna know about
Speaker 1: this guy? You know? And but there would be Psycho
Speaker 1: James and we would just laugh when Landa would come through,
Speaker 1: we said, what watch James, watch James, and he since that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just so funny, you know. So anyway,
Speaker 1: now this is back, like I said, early eighties basketball
Speaker 1: on TV, and the kids these days don't understand it.
Speaker 1: I mean, before then you used to get like one
Speaker 1: game on TV on a Saturday and maybe two and
Speaker 1: that was about it. But now with the advent of
Speaker 1: you know, ESPN was showing games and the USA Network
Speaker 1: was showing games. Plus we were getting uh local broadcasts
Speaker 1: on the satellite system all that sort of thing, so
Speaker 1: there was a lot of games on TV. So this
Speaker 1: was one of those days. And and James bet a
Speaker 1: five dollar parlay card and it paid a thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: you know, so the odds were, what's that two hundred
Speaker 1: a month? So James has a five dollar pin, he's
Speaker 1: got seven in he's got seven in and it's going
Speaker 1: to the eighth game. Now, the games were all in
Speaker 1: the morning, and then the the eighth game was I
Speaker 1: think a five o'clock start, So eight o'clock back east,
Speaker 1: so Harry comes Christmas. Can I can I avoid out
Speaker 1: my eighth game because I just say, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: five hundred or whatever. It is. No, James, Now he's
Speaker 1: got he's got all of this. He's got a thousand
Speaker 1: guys are five dollar read, he's got thousand dollars running
Speaker 1: on his last game. He wants some for you to
Speaker 1: take it, or he wants to get somebody to back
Speaker 1: them so he can head the last bet. You know,
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna led James five dollars for him to let
Speaker 1: the you know, the head of his last game. He
Speaker 1: couldn't come up. And now the game tips off. He's
Speaker 1: got a sweat the game, and I pretty I went
Speaker 1: back and looked, and I think I I found the game.
Speaker 1: I think it was Connecticut versus uh Syracuse versus Connecticut.
Speaker 1: It was a great Connecticut team, a big, great Yokes
Speaker 1: team that had uh Leo Rautins Arab Santa for you know,
Speaker 1: go back to like that year. I think that's the game.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure when you think it might be anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's a little before Pearl Washington. So anyway,
Speaker 1: so Syracuse is blowing about, they're blowing about, and James
Speaker 1: he starts strutting. He starts strutting. He's running around the
Speaker 1: sports book. For those do know, no, a lot of
Speaker 1: Reno guys probably listening. The county of the sports book
Speaker 1: was big. It's a big sportswoo probably bout the size
Speaker 1: of on the South Point, you know, sports book so
Speaker 1: pretty big. He starts running laughs, He's got the ticket
Speaker 1: in his left hand, holding it up. He's got to
Speaker 1: roll up newspaper and he's hitting himself on the butt
Speaker 1: like a jockey whipping a horse and running around the castine,
Speaker 1: running around the sports book holding the Chris Chris thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, you owe me a thousand. Tell your lawn
Speaker 1: that that, tell your line to that. And now he
Speaker 1: starts running around and he's hit himself, and that's the
Speaker 1: chance that he's, Hell you lawn to that, Tell you
Speaker 1: lawn to that. Well, who comes walking through the sports
Speaker 1: regret at your Lawnda and she's like, what the hell?
Speaker 1: Is this because I've been throwing your lawned up? Oh no, no,
Speaker 1: And like I said, I've been throwing her under the
Speaker 1: bus for months. You know, she has no idea, you
Speaker 1: know though this guy, she doesn't know I'm throwing her
Speaker 1: under the bush. Well, now I gotta pest up and
Speaker 1: tell you, lawn to really, what's going on? What's happening.
Speaker 1: And she just looked at me like that. She was
Speaker 1: probably bad for about half a second, but after that
Speaker 1: we just started laughing. And like I said, to this
Speaker 1: and I had. She was at a dinner with me
Speaker 1: a couple of months, a couple of weeks ago, and
Speaker 1: we did we told the story again and we both
Speaker 1: still crack up at the site. It's burned in your memory.
Speaker 1: Him parading around the sports book, you know, slapping himself
Speaker 1: on the butt like it was like a jockey whipping
Speaker 1: a horse. Tell you, laan to that. Tell you And
Speaker 1: there's a couple of us work that they're still in
Speaker 1: the business and we still if I ever say tell
Speaker 1: you to that, don't just start laughing right away. Psycho
Speaker 1: James won his one thousand. You know, as you know
Speaker 1: Chris I worked with for I'm sorry, go ahead finish,
Speaker 1: go ahead. I'm just gonna say. Then. Of course, James
Speaker 1: started betting to game mat Man. By the next Saturday,
Speaker 1: he was back to five going part that's of course
Speaker 1: he was. I used to work with j Rute as
Speaker 1: you know what, MGM, and he one day he casually
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, my assistant Yoli, and I was like, Yolie,
Speaker 1: you mean Yolanda. And I went up to Yolanda and
Speaker 1: I go, you're Yolanda. And she couldn't understand. She had
Speaker 1: no idea what was going on. She was amazed by that.
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Speaker 1: from San Francisco. It's our new San Francisco office. Is
Speaker 1: uh here at Visa. Chris Andrews with us for two
Speaker 1: hours talking about his book. Then one day forty years
Speaker 1: of book making in Nevada, telling some of the stories
Speaker 1: that are included in that book. Later this week on
Speaker 1: the show Tomorrow, Bill Krakenburger, no time like uh these
Speaker 1: days to do a profile of Bill. I always get
Speaker 1: to talk to him every week, but never really get
Speaker 1: to get into his origins and betting. And we'll hear
Speaker 1: his story. Mike Palm and Todd Wishnev on the show
Speaker 1: tomorrow a little uh megapod reunion. We'll hear from Mike
Speaker 1: Palm how everything is affecting Circle, what they've done to
Speaker 1: sort of I don't know, uh, what's the word, but
Speaker 1: to protect to themselves these days from what's going on,
Speaker 1: uh with the coronavirus, Todd Wishnev with how it's impacting
Speaker 1: his life, uh. And then Brent Musburger later in the week,
Speaker 1: Ron flat or Vinni mala Ulo. Thank god yesterday for
Speaker 1: Rufus Peabody and Roxy Roxburrow and Mike Lombardi. Michael Lombardi
Speaker 1: was fabulous yesterday for an hour, so of course he's
Speaker 1: a great guy that will have on time and time
Speaker 1: again through it all talk NFL free agency and the
Speaker 1: draft of course approaching. But we're lucky to have Chrissie
Speaker 1: not once but twice this week, uh to hang out
Speaker 1: with us for an extended period of time. Chris another
Speaker 1: hour of stories. Let's keep them coming. This one, It's
Speaker 1: one is a is an oldie, but goody, I love
Speaker 1: We We title these when we send them back and
Speaker 1: forth to each other like what we're gonna what we're
Speaker 1: gonna actually talk about? This one is simply called well,
Speaker 1: I won't even say because it's kind of the punchline,
Speaker 1: so I'll let you tell. Yeah, yeah, okay. So this
Speaker 1: was my teen seven is a Sunday night game team.
Speaker 1: And for those who remember back then, so this was
Speaker 1: the Bears and the Vikings. So the Bears were two
Speaker 1: years removed from that team that a lot of people
Speaker 1: think they're one of the best ever, certainly one of
Speaker 1: the best defenses ever, won the Super Bowl, and easily
Speaker 1: think wounded up with one loss all year. Anyway, two
Speaker 1: years removed from that, so there's still a great team
Speaker 1: that certainly not what they once were. Minnesota was a
Speaker 1: terrific team this year, but this was the strike year
Speaker 1: in Minnesota. Of all the teams really kind of blew
Speaker 1: it during the strike because they had three strike games
Speaker 1: and they all counted in the standings and they used
Speaker 1: scabbed players, and Minnesota kind of and they admitted afterwards.
Speaker 1: They never took it seriously. They didn't think they were
Speaker 1: the games. They didn't think there'd be anything, so they
Speaker 1: were totally unprepared. So they were kind of fighting for
Speaker 1: their lives to make it into the playoffs. Uh, because
Speaker 1: they blew all three of the strike games. So each
Speaker 1: game once they once the players came back in and
Speaker 1: what had each game was really almost like a playoff
Speaker 1: game for them. So it was a huge game from Minnesota,
Speaker 1: who was good, not a great game, but a very
Speaker 1: very good team that year. And I think a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, this year they lost on the to the
Speaker 1: Redskins with a pass that Darren Nelson dropped in the
Speaker 1: end zone. You know, you probably remember that better than I.
Speaker 1: I was at that game anyways, I was. I was
Speaker 1: at that game at k Stadium. Yeah. Yeah. No. The
Speaker 1: reason that that significant that the Vikings didn't take those
Speaker 1: scab games seriously is because contrasted with the Redskins, who
Speaker 1: did take it very seriously. Bobby Betherd and Joe Gibbs
Speaker 1: coached up those players. Movies have been made about the
Speaker 1: Redskins scab team, and the NFC championship ended up being
Speaker 1: Minnesota at Washington largely because those scab games all counted.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, that really was it was significant. Yeah
Speaker 1: in Minnesota really blew it, you know. Anyway, So this
Speaker 1: was they were playing something night game against the Bears
Speaker 1: and the game was running around picked him, you know,
Speaker 1: that was pretty much the number around. It was gonna
Speaker 1: be an intense team. Hey, well we had this one
Speaker 1: player and I told him Ben, I don't want to
Speaker 1: go into too many details about him, and you'll see
Speaker 1: why he kind of seen. But he would come in
Speaker 1: and this guy, I mean, he had big, big money
Speaker 1: and it was about as big as the general gamblers
Speaker 1: here from bed in your life back then, like I said,
Speaker 1: we didn't have the done best screen. We didn't we
Speaker 1: didn't have anything. And halftimes in basketball we're you know,
Speaker 1: practically unheard. There were there was a few round loads
Speaker 1: of big games. Remember he came up U. He came
Speaker 1: into the County EVA and he said, oh, I'm late
Speaker 1: getting here. I'm late. Jana U c l A and
Speaker 1: b y U was on the TV and he said,
Speaker 1: can you make me a halftime number as well? No,
Speaker 1: I know I haven't really been watching. I don't know
Speaker 1: what's going on. He's I'll tell you what make hand number,
Speaker 1: and I guarantee a thirty thousand dollar bet. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna turn that down, you know. Okay, come
Speaker 1: up with a number, and there he goes. He bets me.
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, listen, I'm getting eleven, he's getting jack.
Speaker 1: So he bets me thirty three thousand and win thirty.
Speaker 1: And I can't remember which side he had, but he
Speaker 1: did lose that game. But anyway, the guy was really
Speaker 1: a pretty good handicapper, uh. And he was also a
Speaker 1: big player in the pit. So this is a whale
Speaker 1: that we landed at calt Neva. But a lot of
Speaker 1: guys like that, they really liked coming to a reno
Speaker 1: because if they went to Vegas, they were a big
Speaker 1: fish in a big pond. If they came to a reno,
Speaker 1: they were a monster fish in a small pond. And
Speaker 1: this was this guy, and he loved to have his
Speaker 1: butt kissed and everything else. So we treated him like goals.
Speaker 1: And he was a huge player both in the pit
Speaker 1: and in the sportsman. Anyway, he comes up one weekend, Uh,
Speaker 1: this is for that during that Minnesota and is a
Speaker 1: cash here's check for two thousand and it's kind of
Speaker 1: going back and forth, back and forth, back and forth
Speaker 1: a little weekend. So come to the Sunday night game,
Speaker 1: he's pretty much like dead even he wants to put
Speaker 1: the whole two hundred seventy five thousand on the on
Speaker 1: the game. Okay, well, he goes, well, I want to bet.
Speaker 1: I want to bet the vikings, you know, And at
Speaker 1: this time I always said I want to bet a hundred.
Speaker 1: I want to bet two hundred thousand on the vikings.
Speaker 1: And I know what he's gonna do with the other fifty.
Speaker 1: I know he's gonna come back at half time and
Speaker 1: bet the vikings. Because that he was never a guy
Speaker 1: that would have hedge, never ever. So I said, Howard
Speaker 1: Thomas Man, you know, you know, I'll let you play,
Speaker 1: but I gotta give you two numbers. And that's a
Speaker 1: that's a big bet, you know, I I gotta let
Speaker 1: I'll let you play. You have to lay pick and
Speaker 1: then you have to lay one for half of it
Speaker 1: on each Oh, no, you've got this all right. It
Speaker 1: was always a negotiation with this guy, always fighting with
Speaker 1: it and whatever. You know. Usually, you know Bill mcke
Speaker 1: who was the boss. Bill mc would handle like you know,
Speaker 1: almost all the negotiations as far as money. He loved
Speaker 1: gonna cash your check. He was looking to get a marker.
Speaker 1: He's doing all this. Bill handled all that, but let
Speaker 1: me handle like the negotiations as far as you know
Speaker 1: what he was gonna bet what point spread, et cetera. There,
Speaker 1: And I would tell him, I said, I gotta shows
Speaker 1: something to build. I just can't let you step all
Speaker 1: over me. And kind of as it's still picking one,
Speaker 1: as they still just have to win the game. You
Speaker 1: know that, it's still you know, it's a difference. I
Speaker 1: understand that, but it's not huge, you know. And so
Speaker 1: finally I get him the okay, even when you pick
Speaker 1: him in one other game hundred thousand each, and of
Speaker 1: course he comes back at half time and bet the
Speaker 1: other fifty five thousand, five thousand ride money game, Yeah
Speaker 1: to seventy five to win two sixty you know. So anyway, uh,
Speaker 1: why it's a great game. Now, I have to tell
Speaker 1: you this. It's a kind of a mea culp on
Speaker 1: my point. I got some of the details wrong in
Speaker 1: the book, and the game in its entirety, as of
Speaker 1: about a couple of months ago, is posted on YouTube.
Speaker 1: So I went back in the whole game. Somebody told
Speaker 1: me that that I the whole game. I went back
Speaker 1: like the fourth quarter. So I had a couple of
Speaker 1: things wrong, you know, with you know, listen, I wasn't
Speaker 1: taking notes at the time. This is ven. You know,
Speaker 1: I got a few of the details wrong, but I
Speaker 1: got the crux of the story right. Anyway that you know,
Speaker 1: the uh, the Vikings were down, they came back, take
Speaker 1: the lead, Bears come back, and anyway that the score
Speaker 1: is sitting at twenty four twenty three Minnesota with like
Speaker 1: under a minute to play, and right away I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: you know what, well, first, I'm gonna blow a hundred thousand,
Speaker 1: I think even when it's half time that two so
Speaker 1: I'm a ball and or fifty thousand. I know this
Speaker 1: guy is gonna give me a big paint in the
Speaker 1: ask because I made him later one also almost like
Speaker 1: I'd rather just win the two hundred thousand, you know,
Speaker 1: than than now, because he pushed on the one that
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to deal with this and it's gonna
Speaker 1: be tortured, and I was. This guy was just he
Speaker 1: was another guy I always kind of liked them, but
Speaker 1: he could really be difficult. To deal with So anyway,
Speaker 1: you know, we go. We you know, I'm watching the
Speaker 1: game and you know, Bill comes down to my office
Speaker 1: and watching the game and he's doing the same things,
Speaker 1: and she's, yeah, those when you made the write bookmaking move.
Speaker 1: But this is just going to be such a band
Speaker 1: and he asked to deal with that. I'm gonna hate
Speaker 1: dealing with it, but you know whatever, that's what it is,
Speaker 1: and we we're gonna blow at this point. So okay. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So now, by the way, the other the other part
Speaker 1: of this story, both teams lost their starting quarterback. Now.
Speaker 1: For the Bears, it was Jim McMahon. For the Vikings
Speaker 1: it was Tommy Kramer, but both good quarterbacks. The backup
Speaker 1: for the Vikings was Wade Wilson, who was a career
Speaker 1: backup who was always one of those guys almost like
Speaker 1: a George and the type we can't had a great
Speaker 1: career as a backup, was never a terrific starter, but
Speaker 1: he pulled out a lot of games out of the
Speaker 1: fire as a backup. And let me just Chris for
Speaker 1: a second. Wade Wilson was the guy who ended up
Speaker 1: playing the rest of the season for the Vicers. He
Speaker 1: was the guy who threw that last beast to Darren
Speaker 1: Nelson that went in complete. Darryl Green broke it up
Speaker 1: at the goal line in the championship game. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the end of the season. The rest of
Speaker 1: the way was Wade Wilson. Yeah, so he really was
Speaker 1: a terrific back. I had a pretty good career. I
Speaker 1: think Wade Wilson passed away too, by the way. Um anyway,
Speaker 1: so Tom Mike, Tom's deck and undrafted free agent. He's
Speaker 1: either a rookie year I think he might have been
Speaker 1: a second year man out of out of Ohio State. Undrafted.
Speaker 1: He's the backup for for UH for Jim McMann. But
Speaker 1: he's playing pretty good. So now, yeah, there's under a
Speaker 1: minute to play. Yeah, they got a score. He got
Speaker 1: a a at least the field goal here to win
Speaker 1: the game and games in Minnesota. And Tom Zack leads
Speaker 1: down the field and he hit Gary Gentry, who was
Speaker 1: a converted running back who they were using a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Of course, you weren't getting a lot of carriers with
Speaker 1: Walter Payton in the game hit us, so they converted
Speaker 1: him the wide receiver. He catches the ball in the flat,
Speaker 1: he breaks one tackle and it's one of those. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're watching you can see he breaks the one tackle.
Speaker 1: He's gone. He's so he winds up to avoid one
Speaker 1: other guy, you know, just you know one on one
Speaker 1: that the goal, and he avoids him, goes into the
Speaker 1: end zone, scores with about forty seconds to play, and naturally, yea,
Speaker 1: the Bears wind up winning the game, and Ben goes
Speaker 1: bull listing. So he's looking to win, you know, like
Speaker 1: from winning a hundred fifty thousand, he goes the losing
Speaker 1: two hundred seventy five. He goes nothing and and uh
Speaker 1: now he goes we have them. He we had his
Speaker 1: own special room where he was watching the game and
Speaker 1: Bill and I are watching it on you know, closercuit TV.
Speaker 1: He's going nuts. He's you know, he would smoke like
Speaker 1: crazy when you know things are on the line. He's
Speaker 1: growing ashtrays. I don't know if he broke the TV
Speaker 1: or not in fit him, but he's throwing ashtrays. He's
Speaker 1: going nuts, ripping up favors, throwing He's trying to trying
Speaker 1: to get get ahold of Bill. Bill doesn't want to
Speaker 1: talk to me, trying to avoid you know, Bill, I
Speaker 1: gotta get out of here. I gotta Finally he gets
Speaker 1: ahold of Bill he wants, you know, so he blew
Speaker 1: all his money, he had his cash, gear's check. It's
Speaker 1: all one. He gets Bill to give him a marker
Speaker 1: I think for twenty thousand. Yeah, I'm being pretty sure
Speaker 1: that's one to get Bill. He writes a check to
Speaker 1: Bill and he tells Bill, I'm not gonna be you know,
Speaker 1: don't can't catch it right away. He said, that'll be
Speaker 1: good in a couple of days. Takes the twenty thousand
Speaker 1: and uh, and he doesn't tried to win a playing
Speaker 1: black jacket and one of my favorite parts of the store.
Speaker 1: So he has his own blackjack table and he's playing
Speaker 1: like I don't know how many hands. I'm really not
Speaker 1: a black jack guy. I'm not a you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not a take games guy. But I'm watching and I
Speaker 1: don't want him to see me, but I'm watching. Over
Speaker 1: on the side, they bringing a guy who was kind
Speaker 1: of a friend of mine, who was like the calmest
Speaker 1: dealer you ever saw in your life. And they brought
Speaker 1: this guy in on purpose because they knew Ben couldn't
Speaker 1: rattle him. Because he trying to rattle everybody, everybody all
Speaker 1: the time. So they bring in this guy to deal
Speaker 1: with the where it was, you know, dealer dealer has like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know an ace up or face card up. I
Speaker 1: can't remember what. You know, Ben had dealt to four teams.
Speaker 1: He takes the cards, he ripped them up, and throws
Speaker 1: him in the dealer's face. The dealer just looks over
Speaker 1: at the pit. Boss says, new deck. That's like, um,
Speaker 1: I lost that. I mean, so funny just the way
Speaker 1: this guy reacted looks over that deck. He winds up flowing,
Speaker 1: he winds up blow in the twenty thousand. Uh, you're
Speaker 1: trying to get you know, trying to win a quarter
Speaker 1: of a million plus, you know it's probably more probably
Speaker 1: looking to win the whole casino. At that point, he's
Speaker 1: just steam and steam. He blows the twenty thousand. Bill
Speaker 1: won't give him any more money. You know that that's enough.
Speaker 1: You know, he just won't go. So he storms out
Speaker 1: of there. He leaves, and again you think that'd be me,
Speaker 1: and the story is not. So the next day we
Speaker 1: come in nextally, we're we're feeling pretty good. You know,
Speaker 1: we just want a huge bet. That's a lot of
Speaker 1: money for a little place. I count me in a
Speaker 1: book and the win you know, everything else. So we
Speaker 1: had finished off just a great, great weekend and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden bill calls and that beisades uh Ben
Speaker 1: is trying to welsh on the cashier's check. I'm pretty
Speaker 1: young at the time, I'm third be one of I
Speaker 1: can't use check. I can't use check. How did that work?
Speaker 1: I don't know. But we have to get our legal team,
Speaker 1: and you know, and again I don't want to mention
Speaker 1: the bank. The bank called us. They're going to stand
Speaker 1: behind him and try to not pay this check. Said, well,
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's that's ridiculous. Now I'm not one
Speaker 1: of the owners at this point. I'm just you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just a working stiff. But they're keeping me posted,
Speaker 1: you know. So, I mean they're they're on the plane.
Speaker 1: We get our legal team, so they have to fly
Speaker 1: into this guy's hometown where the where the bank was,
Speaker 1: and everything else so on on the way there. And
Speaker 1: like I said, I always said, tell me it was
Speaker 1: really pretty well connected politically, you'd be very surprised. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've had you know, Harry read in my office. I've
Speaker 1: had Dick Brand who was a governor and a senator
Speaker 1: in my office. I you know, I got to know
Speaker 1: Bob Miller, who was a government I got to know
Speaker 1: him reasonably well. Uh Frankie, they'll uh Frankie Sudell Papa,
Speaker 1: who was the Attorney General Secretary State in the Vatan rampord,
Speaker 1: Governor Kenny gwyn All. You know, I got to know
Speaker 1: those guys all pretty good. It was all through Cantedo.
Speaker 1: They're pretty well connected politically. Anyway, they're on the way
Speaker 1: to UH to meet the bankers and meet Band's gonna
Speaker 1: try to waltch on the check and we're going in
Speaker 1: front of a judge. And on the way they're they're
Speaker 1: they're calling the bank and saying, listen, this isn't beyond
Speaker 1: one check, so this is the cashier's check. You realize
Speaker 1: what you're doing here. This is like and I can't
Speaker 1: quote a law, I don't know the law, but this
Speaker 1: is a serious violation of whatever the banking standards are.
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure if it's you know, what the
Speaker 1: statutes are or whatever. This is a serious violation. And
Speaker 1: they explain to them, like I said, we had some
Speaker 1: pretty powerful lawyers. So by the time we get in
Speaker 1: front of the judge. So there, the judge calls us forward.
Speaker 1: I'm not there. I'm just hearing this all from Bill,
Speaker 1: who loves giving me the play by play. They're like,
Speaker 1: well this is all going on. So you know, we
Speaker 1: get they get in front of the judge and here
Speaker 1: comes the bankers. Well guess what, they come on our side.
Speaker 1: So Ben man in there by himself with his own
Speaker 1: lawyer and wait a second, the bankers, you were supposed
Speaker 1: to be on my sid No, no, no, and I
Speaker 1: will explain them that this is you really can't do that.
Speaker 1: And he's, you know, he's stunned. He's stunned. Now the
Speaker 1: bankers are taking our side this, which of course they
Speaker 1: have to. I mean it's a catch your's check. You
Speaker 1: welsh on the catch you this check, you know. So
Speaker 1: we we get the money. And now it's the next day,
Speaker 1: Tuesday morning. I'm sitting in my office. I'm working on
Speaker 1: the parlay card. There comes Bill into my office and
Speaker 1: knocks on the door. Hey, what's up are you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm booking a party card? What's up? Uh? We're being sued?
Speaker 1: Who's being sued? Me? And you? Bye? Who? By Ben?
Speaker 1: What mental cruelty. It was one of those deals. I
Speaker 1: looked at Bill and we just both broke up laughing.
Speaker 1: We couldn't stop laughing. Here we are getting to it,
Speaker 1: and this was like the cruelest s ob you ever
Speaker 1: met in your life. Like that part of me kind
Speaker 1: of like the guy, but he was cruel. You could
Speaker 1: see him in medieval time and running a torture chamber
Speaker 1: and loving every minute. But he would be one of
Speaker 1: those kind of guys. He would absolutely be that guy.
Speaker 1: And we start laughing, And why don't we stopped and
Speaker 1: look at each other and just start laughing again. I mean,
Speaker 1: we couldn't stop laughing. This guy was doing us for
Speaker 1: mental cruelty. Anyway, the wind up of the story kind
Speaker 1: of fizzles from there, but we never got called in
Speaker 1: for death positions. We never had to make a sap.
Speaker 1: At some point, cooler heads prevailed, and I'm sure the
Speaker 1: lawyer explained them. Then you couldn't win this suits for
Speaker 1: mental cruelty. That's all yourself. Now. The wind up of
Speaker 1: the stories, the business held in and I don't want
Speaker 1: to say what kind of business it was, Bill happened
Speaker 1: that this check, you know what, not Christmas would not
Speaker 1: be his biggest day. There was another day where I
Speaker 1: don't want to say what it was, where his business
Speaker 1: does the biggest sales of the year, and Bill hold
Speaker 1: onto that check until after that one day, after that
Speaker 1: weekend at the positive that check and that twenty dollar
Speaker 1: check and that cleared too, and he must have gone
Speaker 1: at that point he must have really wanted to do
Speaker 1: the mental cruelty. He Bill got him for the last
Speaker 1: and we would laugh about that one as well. Women Uh.
Speaker 1: And then of course I think the best part you
Speaker 1: and I agree is the dealer going new deck, new deck.
Speaker 1: We'll come back stories on the way, storytime with Chris
Speaker 1: the ages right there in a numbers game in Welcome
Speaker 1: back to a Numbers game with Jill Alexander not just
Speaker 1: kill Alexander from San Francisco, but Chris Andrews of course
Speaker 1: from Las Vegas, Nevada. Um talking about his book. Then
Speaker 1: one day, forty years of book making in Nevada available
Speaker 1: world books are sold. Um. You know that story, Chris,
Speaker 1: that you just told, the mental cruelty story. That that's
Speaker 1: if we had an underrated one through the years. I
Speaker 1: think that's the underrated one that was. That's an awesome
Speaker 1: twist third story. Um, and it reminds me, and this
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with anything, so forgive me for
Speaker 1: even injecting this. But I'm here in San Francisco. I
Speaker 1: used to work at came L Radio. For those who,
Speaker 1: uh who are from the Bay, I used to wear
Speaker 1: at came L back in the day, and this was
Speaker 1: This did not apply to me, but to two of
Speaker 1: my coworkers, the late Michael Ericson and Rosary. We had
Speaker 1: a listener who sued us, not for mental cruelty, but
Speaker 1: for planting a chip into his brain and brainwalk like.
Speaker 1: It was just amazing and nothing ever came of it,
Speaker 1: like in your mental cruelty case. But the fact that
Speaker 1: lawyers had to spend billable hours on these things just
Speaker 1: reminds me of stuff like that. It's amazing. Um, this
Speaker 1: is another great one that you haven't told the while
Speaker 1: I I don't know that I've ever I think I
Speaker 1: told it once on the podcast. I didn't put this
Speaker 1: in my book for a very specific reason because I
Speaker 1: have a version of this story. You know, I hoisted
Speaker 1: the story and changed quite a few of the details
Speaker 1: in my novel, which I'm trying to get published. A
Speaker 1: lot of things on hold right now, but I was
Speaker 1: kind of moving forward with that before those virus hits.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna actually reach out to this one
Speaker 1: person and see if I can get this thing moving again.
Speaker 1: But I have a novel written and I think it's
Speaker 1: pretty good, and I have a version of this story
Speaker 1: in my novel, So let me just say it. But
Speaker 1: I think I've only told it once in the podcaster
Speaker 1: on our show, and it's not in the book. But
Speaker 1: I will tell it. Okay, This is a couple of guys,
Speaker 1: and you know what, I didn't use their real names
Speaker 1: of time. I thought I might as well use them now.
Speaker 1: The one guy's passed away and the other guy's a
Speaker 1: multi multi millionaire and he's over nine years old. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's nothing they could do. And then then they really
Speaker 1: didn't do anything that bad, you know, as far as
Speaker 1: they were concerned. Anyway, These were two guys that ran
Speaker 1: junk its into Las Vegas, into the Caribbean and into London.
Speaker 1: Now this is uh, you know, early seventies, at late sixties,
Speaker 1: early seventies, and uh, there was guys that don't know,
Speaker 1: London had a pretty happening casino scene at the time,
Speaker 1: and you know, casinos were uh, you know, really just
Speaker 1: a burgeoning industry, interest industry in America, you know, with
Speaker 1: Las Vegas being the primary one, and uh, but there
Speaker 1: was other ones throughout throughout the world, mostly in Europe.
Speaker 1: So they would run junkets into into London. And one
Speaker 1: of the guys, a couple of the guys that ran,
Speaker 1: you know, some of the some of the bigger casinos
Speaker 1: in London. Among them were the Craze Brothers. There's a
Speaker 1: couple of movies out there's a decent movie, uh, involving
Speaker 1: the Craze. Now, the Craze were twins out of London's
Speaker 1: East Side, uh, you know, Cockney brothers, and they were
Speaker 1: some pretty rough customers and you can go Wikipedia and
Speaker 1: Craze k r a Y. So the movie in was
Speaker 1: The Craze and it started Gary and Martin Kemp from
Speaker 1: Spandau Ballet, which was a like a new way band
Speaker 1: out of London. Yeah yeah, yeah, Smandel Balle not a
Speaker 1: bad band, you know, And anyway, that's that was they started.
Speaker 1: They were twins and played the Craigs Wins. The other movie,
Speaker 1: which I think is a little better, it's called Legends
Speaker 1: and it starts Tom Hardy and Tom plays both brothers
Speaker 1: and Tom Hardy having a terrific actor you know, another
Speaker 1: another brit Yeah. And anyway, the brothers were Reggie and
Speaker 1: Ronnie Craig k r a Y and uh, I mean
Speaker 1: they were definitely mob guys, but socialites too, almost like
Speaker 1: a gaudy like a John Gaudy kind of guy, where uh,
Speaker 1: a mobster of the people, if you will, because they
Speaker 1: didn't actually do some things like helped a lot of
Speaker 1: the you know, poor kids around around the East end
Speaker 1: of London, you know, but of course that doesn't forgive
Speaker 1: them for some of the other things because you're like,
Speaker 1: they're mob guys, but they're socialites too. Yeah, they were,
Speaker 1: They were, they were you know, I mean to ring
Speaker 1: like you know, theyre not with like Judy Garland, you know,
Speaker 1: and George Raft and some other you know, you know,
Speaker 1: celebrities of that day and age, and you know that's
Speaker 1: the way it was, you know. Anyway, these guys and that,
Speaker 1: like I said, I'll use your just Captain and tips
Speaker 1: and uh captain captain who got Captain's one and the
Speaker 1: other guy was tipped. I'll just use their nicknames. Yeah, Chris,
Speaker 1: let me let me just be let me be rude here,
Speaker 1: let me be route to interrupt you because you know
Speaker 1: this is a short break here. Let's let's continue with
Speaker 1: this story. We should probably yeah, that's all right, way sorry,
Speaker 1: Oh that's alright, short one. We'll come right back. We
Speaker 1: should probably play out spandout Ballet's true out to break here.
Speaker 1: Um this is the story about the Crab Brothers Chrissie
Speaker 1: coming back right here on the Numbers Game in Visa
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Speaker 1: game with Jill Alexander. We get tweets at Beating Booth.
Speaker 1: Always appreciate the feedback on Twitter at Beating the Book.
Speaker 1: Um Man, this is from Dan Wood at Wood Dandy,
Speaker 1: got to tell you this show is helping me so
Speaker 1: much getting through the day. Story time is awesome to
Speaker 1: thanks Gil and Chris. Really all thanks to Chris. I
Speaker 1: thank him as well, Big Cajuna uh In these times,
Speaker 1: listening to you and Chris is a perfect deflection from reality.
Speaker 1: Thank you both, and uh T for three got me
Speaker 1: in quarantine bouncing around saying tell you a love to that.
Speaker 1: I got a lot of tell you a love of
Speaker 1: that tweet strips from people. That's all right, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: we interrupted you again. Back to the Cray brothers there, no,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You know, we're not going to get through
Speaker 1: all these stories. They just take longer than I thought.
Speaker 1: And that's my fault. I hadn't in my notes that
Speaker 1: that's a short segment. But we never got through anyway. Anyway.
Speaker 1: So these guys, so the Captain and Tips, they go
Speaker 1: and they got drunk is running into into London. Out
Speaker 1: there in London, the Cray Brothers said, listen, we got
Speaker 1: a soccer game going and the fixes in. We got
Speaker 1: the referee in our pocket, and we got the goldpender
Speaker 1: in our pocket. So you know, oh that sounds pretty good.
Speaker 1: So they're gonna bet the game, you know, Tips and
Speaker 1: Captain there. Now, like I said, Captain was kind of guy.
Speaker 1: I think I got interrupted right at this point. Captain
Speaker 1: was kind of guy. If he walked into the room
Speaker 1: and he's bought a big guy or anything like that,
Speaker 1: but he's like a powerful guy. You know, you see
Speaker 1: some of those guys every once in a while. Not
Speaker 1: a big guy, but definitely like commands the room. Short
Speaker 1: of it. He's one of those kind of guys. Tips,
Speaker 1: not at all. Tips is always kind of like a
Speaker 1: little bit very smart guy, but a little bit of
Speaker 1: like a lost soul. You know, he'd be the kind
Speaker 1: of guy at the movie asking you who's that guy?
Speaker 1: What happened? Why did they kill that other guy? You know,
Speaker 1: he'd be one of those guys. And I love Tips,
Speaker 1: but he can drive you crazy a little bit once
Speaker 1: in a while. Right, So, so they're watching the game,
Speaker 1: like I said, this is I think this is early seventies.
Speaker 1: So the game's gone on TV. But they have a
Speaker 1: guy at the stadium and let's just make up two
Speaker 1: teams totally made up. I don't know the teams involved.
Speaker 1: I think it was probably a second level game. Uh so,
Speaker 1: but let's just say you know Arsenal and chef Chelsea.
Speaker 1: I said, they've been on Chelsea and you know, so
Speaker 1: they got the gold pender in their pocket and their referee.
Speaker 1: So the game is going on, and you know, so
Speaker 1: they need Chelsea games going on. They're getting calls from
Speaker 1: the pay phone because there's no score phone or anything
Speaker 1: like that or you know nothing, you know, mill mill
Speaker 1: mil mill, what's the score? Nil mill still mill mill.
Speaker 1: Then you know, getting towards late the game. Arsenal scores.
Speaker 1: What's the score Arsenal one nil. Oh jeez, Arsenal one.
Speaker 1: It's coming down in the end. Oh man, they're next.
Speaker 1: Now they need Chelsea to win. You know, it's one
Speaker 1: of those streewave that's like they have in Europeans offer.
Speaker 1: They need Arsenal they need Chelsea to win. Arsenal one nil,
Speaker 1: Arsenal one nill. They're an extra time Arsenal one neal
Speaker 1: one deal. So the final comes in. You know, the
Speaker 1: rest can't extend time any more than yet. He gave
Speaker 1: as much extra time as you possibly could, Like they
Speaker 1: said they got they never got a shot on the goal,
Speaker 1: even though they had the goaltender in their pocket. They
Speaker 1: never got a shot on goal. So final comes in
Speaker 1: Arsenal one mill. These guys, you know their m f
Speaker 1: and throwing their in bar. You know, they're like drinking
Speaker 1: and you know, abusing the bartender and throwing glasses around,
Speaker 1: and you know it's pretty obvious what happened. It leans
Speaker 1: over to the captain. He's a captain. How many is nil?
Speaker 1: It wasn't sure yet if he lost the bet. He
Speaker 1: didn't know how many is nil? I've seen the captain
Speaker 1: maybe like once a year or something like that. When
Speaker 1: he comes to last dayas and all I have to
Speaker 1: do is say, Captain, maybe nil, and he'll just die
Speaker 1: laughing because one of his favorite stories of all time.
Speaker 1: You know, So that the Craze offered you to make
Speaker 1: a bet, you better make the bet. I would tell
Speaker 1: you that you didn't want to mess with him. I'll
Speaker 1: do that every once in a while, too crazy. But
Speaker 1: what I'm watching, and I don't watch soccer that often,
Speaker 1: but when it comes up, I'll say to somebody'd be like,
Speaker 1: what is nil? What is nil? And they have no
Speaker 1: idea what I'm talking about. Um, let me go back,
Speaker 1: because we have just a couple of seconds here. Let
Speaker 1: me go back to the story you told earlier about
Speaker 1: the Sunday night football game, Psycho James. The great story
Speaker 1: you told earlier this hour, Um, the mental cruelty story
Speaker 1: that Sunday night game between the Bears and the Vikings.
Speaker 1: And again, you know, historically speaking, has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with the story specifically, but historically speaking, neither the Vikings
Speaker 1: nor the Redskins were the one or two seed in
Speaker 1: the NFC. They both ended up playing that scabbyar in
Speaker 1: the NFC Championship. The Redskins went on to win the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl UM, but that Sunday night game, which the
Speaker 1: Vikings ended up losing and mattered much in the standings,
Speaker 1: ultimately UM for that home field ultimately in the NFC playoffs.
Speaker 1: What was the detail that you got wrong? And the
Speaker 1: reason I ask the detail you got wrong in the
Speaker 1: book is I think I remember it differently too, And
Speaker 1: I always find this fascinating how collectively we have a memory,
Speaker 1: shared memory that is not true. You know. You know
Speaker 1: a lot of people know my wife had a brain tumor,
Speaker 1: and I wanted them learning a lot about the brain,
Speaker 1: just as I tried to understand everything I could about it.
Speaker 1: And it is fascinating how you can have these shared
Speaker 1: memories that are totally wrong. And I remember the way
Speaker 1: I remembered it was that the Bears had to score
Speaker 1: a touchdown and they didn't. All they had to do
Speaker 1: was get a field goal because they were down by one.
Speaker 1: I thought they were down by four, and that's what
Speaker 1: I got wrong in the game. I thought that they
Speaker 1: needed to score a touchdown. But you know that was
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what it was. Maybe just
Speaker 1: Bill and I talked really what I found out, you know,
Speaker 1: as I said, I I tried to find out a
Speaker 1: few things about the brain. One of these things that
Speaker 1: they have. I don't know if it's a theory or
Speaker 1: proven or what, but when something happens you, you you
Speaker 1: actually don't remember it. You remember the last time you
Speaker 1: remembered it. So if there's a link in the chain
Speaker 1: that gets messed up more along the line, that's kind
Speaker 1: of like, you know, engraved in your brain somewhere, so
Speaker 1: you know that it's it's kind of a fascinating thing. Now.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they've proven it, not much that
Speaker 1: board vance and knowledge of the brain, you know, but
Speaker 1: that that was the thing that they said, you actually
Speaker 1: don't remember the event hasn't occurred. You remember the last
Speaker 1: time you remember it. You know, it's interesting to me, fascinating.
Speaker 1: By the way, there's a term for this, and I
Speaker 1: can't come up with what the term for this. Someone
Speaker 1: will tweet us there's a there's an actual term for
Speaker 1: what we're describing about a shared memory that is actually
Speaker 1: incorrect but has somehow pervaded pop culture in a lot
Speaker 1: In a lot of cases, this one's not exactly pop culture.
Speaker 1: My thing about this game is for some reason, like
Speaker 1: if you told me it was Gary Gentry, I would
Speaker 1: have been like, no, it wasn't it was Dennis McKinnon, Like,
Speaker 1: I just don't remember it being Gary Gentry. So something
Speaker 1: about that game specific, right, Yeah. Interesting. Someone will hopefully
Speaker 1: tweet us exactly what the term for that is, because
Speaker 1: it's an interesting work. And there it is Kelly's and
Speaker 1: my Kelly Bidlin, Uh, my producer today in my air,
Speaker 1: the Mandela effect, the Mandela effect, because there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people and I believe it traces back to some
Speaker 1: shared collective memory that Nelson Mandela had passed away in jail,
Speaker 1: but he never did, but somehow a huge portion of
Speaker 1: our society thought of him that way. So it's it's
Speaker 1: something called the Mandela effect. We'll come back maybe some
Speaker 1: adventures in bad bookmaking next. We'll see from Chrissy right
Speaker 1: here on a numbers game at Visa. Welcome back to
Speaker 1: a numbers game with you, Alexander, my producer today, Kelly
Speaker 1: Boland and I, uh sort of tripping out over this
Speaker 1: Mandela effect that we were talking about. Chrissy. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: just an example that that came to mind. I was
Speaker 1: right that It's called the Mandela effect because for some
Speaker 1: reason there was a huge swath of population that believed
Speaker 1: that Nelson Mandela had died in prison, when in fact,
Speaker 1: of course, he never did. He got out of became
Speaker 1: president of South Africa. There's other things in our pop culture.
Speaker 1: But just to give another example, I don't know why
Speaker 1: I thought of this, the old Sally Field Oscar acceptance speech,
Speaker 1: where like the rest of the world, like most people think,
Speaker 1: she said you like me, you really really like me.
Speaker 1: She never said that, like, she never said that at all,
Speaker 1: but that's how we all remember it. In fact, yeah,
Speaker 1: she said this time, I feel it, and I can't
Speaker 1: deny the fact that you like me right now, you
Speaker 1: like me, So it just becomes something that it's not.
Speaker 1: That's just one example that left him up. But there's
Speaker 1: tons of these, um But anyway, that bears Vikings game.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we have a lot of those in sports.
Speaker 1: Do you want to end with some adventures in bad bookmaking?
Speaker 1: You want to do that? Yeah? That other story we
Speaker 1: will tell some other times, you know what, you know,
Speaker 1: the adventures and bad bookmakings. The one that people ask
Speaker 1: me about all the time was the hockey teasers so
Speaker 1: let's start with that one. Yes, let's see what happened.
Speaker 1: What happened, Um, I was running the county Neva. Uh
Speaker 1: and again we were doing parley cards year round and
Speaker 1: it was one of those things where I fought worn
Speaker 1: on it. I didn't want to do it, but he
Speaker 1: insisted that we do it. And it's a lot of
Speaker 1: you know, a couple other places in town wanted to
Speaker 1: copy us, but they don't just put out the car.
Speaker 1: You actually have to have the right numbers, etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 1: And it was really a pain. And uh, a guy
Speaker 1: really helped me quite a bit out of Roxy's office,
Speaker 1: Scott Kaminski, who was just a great And Scott's had
Speaker 1: a long career as I have in this business. And uh,
Speaker 1: Scott h Scott like just a He's had a fantastic
Speaker 1: career and he's still around. I'm not sure exactly where
Speaker 1: he's at right now, but I see Scott about once
Speaker 1: a year. He comes to Las Vegas. We usually have
Speaker 1: lunch or dinner together. Terrific guy. Anyway, he would help
Speaker 1: me and we go through all the numbers and it
Speaker 1: was really a chore to put these things together. So
Speaker 1: guys wanted me. Uh, so I was doing to this
Speaker 1: county Neva. There was some cross ownership with another hotel
Speaker 1: casino down uh, just down the street called Calm Stock,
Speaker 1: And like I said, there's some cross ownership including Warren
Speaker 1: Nelson on the little piece of that. He said, but
Speaker 1: would you help these guys get their sports book up
Speaker 1: and running and that sort of thing, and kind of
Speaker 1: advised them. I'm sure I would have done anything for Warren.
Speaker 1: So I did it. I get him up and running.
Speaker 1: So they get some guy and you know, we still
Speaker 1: see this today. You know, oh it's a sports book. Well,
Speaker 1: this guy is a sports fan, he reads the sports page.
Speaker 1: We'll put him in charge and then he just gets
Speaker 1: the line and you know, people come in and bed
Speaker 1: and we'll just make a ton of money. It'll be
Speaker 1: just like the slot machines. Well, you know, obviously doesn't
Speaker 1: work that way. So I put this guy in and
Speaker 1: he was like about as green as you could ever
Speaker 1: get out of a guy, a nice guy I'll call Lewis.
Speaker 1: Lewis would come in and he started calling me like everything,
Speaker 1: you know, time and time again, calling me, calling me,
Speaker 1: call me, says listen, Louis, I'm running to Caldela. I'm
Speaker 1: not running the calm stock. You you have to stand
Speaker 1: on your own two feet and sometimes but I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what to do. Call row Sea Rocks. Bro Roxy
Speaker 1: was just getting his business off the ground, you know,
Speaker 1: consulting with sports boots around the state, called Roxy, Roxborow.
Speaker 1: He'll help you, Okay. So Roxy calls and Roxy starts
Speaker 1: giving him the line every day and all that he
Speaker 1: wants to do parley cards, just like we did at
Speaker 1: County EVA. So Roxy tells him, okay, here's here's what
Speaker 1: you do for the parley cards, you know. And this
Speaker 1: was like towards the end of the football season, so
Speaker 1: I'm not sure he had basketball on the card, and
Speaker 1: he might have, but I'm not sure. But Roxy giving
Speaker 1: him the football line. Here's what he used on the cards.
Speaker 1: And so Lewis asked, all what about teaser cars? And
Speaker 1: Roxy as well, you know, he just you know, move
Speaker 1: six points each way off the line. So you know,
Speaker 1: he explained it to him and okay, okay, Now at
Speaker 1: that time, if folks my age, remember we had ties
Speaker 1: in hockey. So if you use the game on the
Speaker 1: parlor card as a half, I mean that was a
Speaker 1: legitimate line you know you won't see that today naturally,
Speaker 1: because every game does not end in a time. But
Speaker 1: if he used the game minus a half, used like
Speaker 1: the home team two equal teams, the home team would
Speaker 1: be minus a half. So Roxy gets a couple of
Speaker 1: hockey games, like four or five hockey games put on
Speaker 1: the card minus a half. So anyway card goes out,
Speaker 1: Roxy's calling him now it's like the card I guess
Speaker 1: went out, like on Wednesday or whatever. Roxy calls him
Speaker 1: on Thursday, Lewis, how's everything going. All these teaser cards
Speaker 1: are the greatest thing in the world. Right then, Roxy
Speaker 1: knows teaser cards are not the greatest thing in the world.
Speaker 1: Rocky says, what do you mean, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Because I'm getting so much action on these teaser cards
Speaker 1: you can't believe it. Right then, Roxy knows, uh, something
Speaker 1: is wrong. Well, explain to me, you know where, he says, Well,
Speaker 1: you know, he starts getting much. But here's the ones
Speaker 1: I'm getting all the action on. I'm getting two way
Speaker 1: action on these teaser cards on all these hockey games.
Speaker 1: This is unbelievable, said he got to be Kidney hockey
Speaker 1: games on the team card. He says, yeah, I just
Speaker 1: added six points to each side. Get you get the
Speaker 1: home team plus five and a half, and you were
Speaker 1: getting the building plus six and a half. These are
Speaker 1: all you know, essentially pick them games. You can't do that.
Speaker 1: I've got a ton of action, but I'm getting rock
Speaker 1: and getting two way actions. Those you understand you're gonna
Speaker 1: lose both sides. He says, you have to stop the card.
Speaker 1: You have to end there right there. So so he
Speaker 1: explained it to him, Lewis, I don't know to this
Speaker 1: day be going up. Well, he understood once the figures
Speaker 1: came in, needless of saying. They got annihilated that week
Speaker 1: on their parlay cards onto teaser cards, and uh, the
Speaker 1: sports book didn't last long after this. I think it
Speaker 1: might have closed right after that weekend. And they finally realized, no,
Speaker 1: you just can't put in some rummy and just figure
Speaker 1: everything's gonna be just fine. Pep were just gonna come
Speaker 1: in and blow their money. But you know, that was
Speaker 1: one of those deals where you put in totally a
Speaker 1: guy who's green is grass, and that's when happened. So
Speaker 1: you are you telling us and even the other yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead, probably the Dave Cooke and he just eat
Speaker 1: texted me together. Yes, I gotta ask whatever that was.
Speaker 1: His favorite story in the book was the hockey teasers.
Speaker 1: Whatever happened, Well, big lasts long. Maybe let's just say
Speaker 1: he's not in the business anymore. So when all of
Speaker 1: this is, when all of this has passed, when the
Speaker 1: coronavirus curve, uh finally uh peters out and we're all
Speaker 1: past this, a sports are being played again. And if
Speaker 1: hockey comes back, are you suggesting that you will not
Speaker 1: do a hockey teaser promotion the first weekend? You're not
Speaker 1: doing that for us? No, nothing like that. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna do that. No. And it was one of those
Speaker 1: I looked every once in a while when I see
Speaker 1: a blowout. Oh the team watched by seven one of
Speaker 1: the games, and every game was like three to two
Speaker 1: of that week. You know, uh, we have we have
Speaker 1: four minutes left being that. Oh my god, I can't
Speaker 1: believe we take so much time. Comes, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: another quick one involving Rocky. You know Rocky Uh back
Speaker 1: in the day. This is uh the Ivy League totals.
Speaker 1: He didn't tell this story the other day, did he? No?
Speaker 1: He did not. I love this one, Okay, So Rocky
Speaker 1: was servicing a guy this again back way back in
Speaker 1: the day. And uh, this was during the NBA All
Speaker 1: Star weekend. So it's Friday, and guys don't realize now
Speaker 1: like on Friday's back then, all you had was that's
Speaker 1: the only teams that played on Friday. So guy, you know,
Speaker 1: guy Rocky the service and a bookmaker, I think in
Speaker 1: South Carolina. And uh, and I said, Rocks, I want
Speaker 1: to have totals on the Ivy League games. There's nothing
Speaker 1: to bet on all it got four Ivy League games
Speaker 1: in that I don't want to give you totals. They're
Speaker 1: gonna be bad. So right, it was finally convinced, Right,
Speaker 1: is there Art, I'll give you the totals, but I'm
Speaker 1: telling you right now don't take any more in a
Speaker 1: couple hundred bucks on them. I'm making the totals, and
Speaker 1: I'm telling you they're not going to be that good.
Speaker 1: So I said, this is long before the shot clock. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot a bunch of white guys shooting set shops.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't too far removed from that. So that's
Speaker 1: the way was back then. You know, the Rocky getting
Speaker 1: them the numbers. You know, Okay, Cornell nine seven. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know Harvard eighty six and a half, Penn two
Speaker 1: and Dartmouth you know ninety three? Okay a guy, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is great. So Roxy giving them from me in
Speaker 1: the morning, you know, Roxy Colson in that afternoon. Hey,
Speaker 1: how's it going. How's those IVY League Coast? Oh my god?
Speaker 1: These are so great. It's unbelievable. How much action I'm getting.
Speaker 1: And again the Rocky click, something's wrong here? What he says, Well,
Speaker 1: told me, tell me, like, what kind of action you guys?
Speaker 1: And I can't remember the numbers I just made up
Speaker 1: and gave me. Says Oh yeah, Well I'm getting like
Speaker 1: the printing game under one nineties seven. I'm all the
Speaker 1: way down the under one sixty on for my I
Speaker 1: didn't tell you nineties. I didn't tell one ninety seven.
Speaker 1: I told you nineties seven. You're kidding me. I'm not always.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm trying to. Hey, and Roxy's like, you
Speaker 1: gotta have you never paid attention a basketball in your life?
Speaker 1: A private booman? You tell him nighties seven he's doing
Speaker 1: a one nine seven. Well say he locked every one
Speaker 1: of those games too. I don't know how he paid
Speaker 1: everybody off or seven with all these guys, and uh
Speaker 1: he was out of business the next week too. So
Speaker 1: those are a couple of stories and adventures and bad
Speaker 1: books making. We have a lot more than we can't
Speaker 1: get to you today, and uh, you know it always
Speaker 1: take a little longer than I thought. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I mean that's okay. We love we love hearing him.
Speaker 1: I think the next time, whenever we decided to do
Speaker 1: this again, and we could do it, you know, short
Speaker 1: term these days, for sure, we can do it soon. Um,
Speaker 1: we should just do the Adventures in Bad Bookmaking to
Speaker 1: start with and see how long that goes, because I
Speaker 1: think that's fascinating people. And you have a special subsection
Speaker 1: that could be its own category, specifically with adventures in making. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll say yeah, and and and to this special that's awesome,
Speaker 1: uh you know, and it's funny to this day, Chris.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't happen that often, but I would say
Speaker 1: once every four to six months, I'll get a hockey
Speaker 1: teaser tweet like that story lingered in people's minds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll still talk about that. Um, I appreciate it. The
Speaker 1: name of the book again. Then one day Adventures in
Speaker 1: Bad bookmaking Chris, stay safe. Don't let me hear that
Speaker 1: you're back in a casino through a back entrance. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a lot, it's gonna be a while.
Speaker 1: I can tell you that, alright, man, have a great day.
Speaker 1: Stay safe again, Chris on Twitter. By the way, at
Speaker 1: Andrew's Sports, the beloved Chrissie, Andrew's kind enough to join
Speaker 1: us for another couple of hours right here on a
Speaker 1: numbers game at Visa in these sports betting network hope
Speaker 1: it serves as a distraction for you in these very strange,
Speaker 1: uncertain times. Enjoy your day, Stay safe with you and
Speaker 1: your loved ones.