WEBVTT - Beating The Book: Story Time with Chris Andrews, Part 2 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:11.360 Uh, check it down, man, now down man. It's the 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:16.079 Leading the Book Podcast, Gil Alexander, Parts du Part two 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:20.080 of Christie Andrews Today. We gave you part one on Monday, 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:23.320 the audio version of a whole bunch of story times 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:27.720 put together. This is maybe even better today, if that's 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:31.920 even possible. Great collection of stories today, not often told. 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:35.600 Some of the more obscure stories, one of which I 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:37.960 think might be the most underrated of all of Chris's 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:41.880 stories attribute to his book. Then one day four years 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:45.159 of book making, a Nevada story time with Chris Andrews 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:53.720 exclusively on the Beating the Book Podcast. Enjoy It's a 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:58.840 numbers game with your host, Gil Alexander. You want Judios 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:02.320 to believe in a a limit, Yes he is. It 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:04.040 is a numbers game right here at Visa in the 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:08.440 Vegas Stats and Information Network. Gil Alexander even have the 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:10.679 uh the T shirt rocket a day on that one 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:13.080 of those idiots who believes in analytics today, not much 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:15.959 about analytics at all, in fact, nothing at all. It 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:21.039 is part duh of Christie Andrews on the show Telling Stories. 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:25.640 As promised on Monday, we did a whole show on Monday. Um, 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:28.759 it's not b sides. It's not a step down for you, 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:31.319 Stevie Wonder Fan, Stevie Wonder fans out there. It's like 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:33.520 going from songs in the Key of Life to fulfilling 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:36.240 Us first finale. If you're Billy Joel fan from the 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:38.880 Stranger to fifty second Street, it's not a drop down 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:41.440 at all. It's just another grade of another set of 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:45.319 grade stories. Um and then tomorrow on the show Just 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:48.880 looking Ahead, we got Bill Crackenburger, Mike Palm, Todd Wishnet, 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:51.680 Brent Musburger later in the week. But let's do it. 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:54.200 It's from his book Forty Years of Bookmaking in Nevada. 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.160 It's called Then one Day, forty Years of Bookmaking in Nevada. 0:01:57.480 --> 0:01:59.960 We welcome back in our friend, the director of the 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:03.440 South Point Hotel Casino sports book, My Mish Book of 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:07.680 Christie Andrews. Good morning to you, Christie. How you doing? Oh? 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:11.560 Hanging in there gilt stand? He Actually, I'm not that bad. 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.280 I told you yesterday. I make the great prisoner. I'm okay, 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:17.360 you know, just sitting here by myself. I'm sorry. If 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:19.360 you committed a crime and they sent you to jail, 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:25.639 they'd be like we can't break this guy. He's so comfortable. Yeah, 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.600 just give me my books and the internet. And you know, 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:31.640 I'm an occasional movie and I'm fine. I'm okay, man, 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:35.000 they cannot break you. Uh, listen, we are lucky to 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:36.440 have you. By the way, you get to hear Roxy 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:40.320 from Thailand yesterday and Rufus, who had tested positively. You know, 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:45.400 I well, I had texted Rufus the other day just 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:48.720 to see how he's doing. Sounds like he's doing okay. 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:53.040 I slept in yesterday and he gets against Lusen yesterday show. 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:56.760 But you know, come my favorite guys in this business. 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:59.040 And yeah, we're all worried about Rufus, you know, jeez. 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:01.600 You know, he actually came down with the disease, but 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:04.600 it sounds like he got through it. Okay, Yeah, he's good, 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:06.760 He's all good. We're happy to have him, only happy 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:10.760 to hear from him. All right, Chrissie again. Then one day, 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:12.960 forty years of book making in Nevada wherever books are 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:16.320 sold at is available. You told some great stories on Monday. 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:20.200 Uh these are ones that aren't as told well, someoneret 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:22.040 as told as often. But you got a great one 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:25.880 to start with this morning. Yeah, you tease this one 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:27.840 the other days. I feel we might as well start 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:31.440 with this one, the Max story. And uh, this was 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:34.280 when I first started to count Neva. So I was young. 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:38.280 This is one. I was twenty five years old, and 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:40.920 you know, when I look back, you know, it's probably 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:44.320 a little bit of a mark, you know, running running 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:47.200 a sports book, runner race book, and you know it's 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:49.240 been around a little bit. But I'm only twenty five, 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:52.040 you know, so probably you know, guys were definitely taking 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:56.480 shots at me with a different propositions, just all kinds 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:59.360 of stuff, you know. And one of them was this 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:03.320 guy mat And he was a horse player, pretty pretty 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:06.360 big horse player. He come in every day and he 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:08.200 just start talking. I mean, we got to know each 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:10.520 other a little bit after like it seemed like a 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:12.640 couple of days or really a week something like that. 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:16.680 Told me he was a hit man for Meyer Landsky. 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:22.240 Guys out there don't know. Lanski was probably the number 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:26.839 one Jewish mob guy in the world, and he had connections. 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:28.480 A matter of fact, if you look at the if 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:35.440 you watch Godfather to Hyman, Ross is modeled greatly after Landsky. Uh. 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:38.400 And so they started telling me this stuff and I'm like, 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:41.520 why would he tell me this? You know? And Nancy 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.240 told a couple of people that's one of those deals 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:48.200 where I didn't know whether believing or not, whether it 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:51.960 was short. There's definitely an edge to this guy here. 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:55.320 There was something going on there. And I knew a guy, 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:57.800 you know, an older guy is no longer with us, 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:01.200 but a much older guy who at one point in 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:04.000 time they had been a bookmaker for Meyer. Landsky was 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:09.080 connected with Landsky, and uh, and I called him up 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:13.440 and I explained him the situation, and uh, you know, 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:16.360 and he listened. He said, wrong, the guy doesn't ring 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:19.120 a bell. But this guy had been away from Landsky 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:22.520 for at this point in time twenty thirty years at least, 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:25.360 probably more than that, because it doesn't ring a bell. 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:28.159 I don't know, but it sounds like the kind of 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:31.400 guy Meyer would use. And I remember the last words 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:37.760 before we hung up, be careful, okay. So anyway, things happened, 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:40.640 and you know, he started, yeah, like courting me, I 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:42.880 guess in some ways. We went out to dinner maybe 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:44.720 once or twice, and head lunched and we would have 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:49.680 a cup of coffee together, and uh, you know, it 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:52.480 just went on and it became I would say, friend Lee, 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.920 even if we weren't friends, we're certainly friend leave and 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:59.320 uh so at one point in time he was I 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:01.039 guess he was more bad in the horse and says, 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:04.000 you know, he needed eight hundred dollars. I don't know 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:05.920 where he come up with that figure. Can I help 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:08.040 him out? He says, I got some money coming in 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:10.040 the next day or two, and I'll get it back 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:11.839 to you when I get it. And I have eight 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:15.000 hundred bucks, and you know, I mean I had it, 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:18.279 but you know, at the time, I was a pretty 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:20.679 young kid. Eight hundred bucks was a lot of money 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:22.960 to me. But I said, yeah, sure, and I gave 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:26.159 it to him, and what do you know, the next day, 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:31.720 it just he disappears. Now when when he when we 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:34.080 were together, we both kind of like the same girl, 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:39.520 and he went after her hard and she she picked me, 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.960 And there was like, can we listen, he's as human 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:45.680 as anybody. Of course, yes, So there's like a little 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:49.400 bit of resentment towards me because I wanted to marry 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:52.920 this young lady. But you know, if I'm buried as 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.000 this girl now, we weren't very good at the time, 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:57.200 you know, but you know, we were definitely an item. 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:00.839 We were to get it exanially. He disappeared. I not 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:03.839 that surprised, just a little bit maybe, but you know, 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:07.280 it's slightly surprised that he just vanished one day and 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:09.800 I didn't see him. This probably went on for about 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:12.960 maybe you know, about a month or so later, maybe 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:16.840 six weeks later. I asked, this young lady was my 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:19.200 first wife, sharing I said, yeah, you know, we had 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:21.040 a day office. Let's go down to the track, Let's 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:24.120 go to Bay Meadows, um, you know, for the day. So, 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:25.720 you know, we got down of Bay Meadows, we're in 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:29.560 the turf club and uh, as we're sitting around in 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:34.600 the turf club, um, around the corner, here comes Max. 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:42.640 Now I've been around enough to know that, you know, like, 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:45.960 you don't want to challenge these guys, but you don't 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:48.360 want to let them step all over you, because if 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:50.560 you do let him step all over you, they don't 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:54.640 really step all over you. So I see him, and 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:58.239 I said, I gotta say something to him, and say Max, 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:00.920 how you're doing. I'm still I wish Aaron, you know. 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:02.720 And I just looked at her and said, go take 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:05.200 a walk, you know, and I'm thinking to myself, I 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:07.440 don't know what's going to happen here. I mean, I 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:10.360 was definitely scared, and I'm thinking, the last thing I 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:13.080 need is for him to kill her. That's a laugh. 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:17.400 And if he doesn't kill me, I really don't even 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:19.360 want her there to witness it, because who knows what 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:22.440 would happen after that. But I was no doubt about it. 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.520 I was scared, you know, And I forgotten about the 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:27.880 part I had forgotten the part that I had forgotten 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:31.080 the part Chrissie that he actually liked her at one 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:33.559 point that I that detail. I had to be liked 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:36.800 her a lot. Yeah, Yeah, he liked her a lot. 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:40.600 So that was That was another thing that again makes me, 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:45.880 let's just say tad uneasy to put an um. So 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.960 uh anyway, I says, yeah, so she likes she leaves, 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:53.440 she goes, you know, and I said, you know, where 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:58.120 are you? Then I said, well I got shot. Now 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:01.959 you know a little backstory. Max was like a little 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:05.880 powerful guy, and he was one of those guys you know, 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:07.719 I swear to gun and all these years I've never 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.360 seen any of the kid gain and lose weight like him. 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:14.120 He'd go on the latest crash diets and he lose 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:17.320 like pounds, like in a matter of a couple of weeks, 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:21.000 and then like within days it seems like he gained 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:23.200 it all back. It was one of those guys always 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:26.439 had like a weight problems, and he was a little guy. 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:28.520 He's only about five foot four, I'd say, you know, 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:31.400 so it really show up on So I asked him, 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.440 worry what I got shot? Really? Be goes, yeah, I've 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:37.000 been in the hospital for a month. It's really okay. 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:40.240 I said, well, congratulations. They looked at me, says, well, 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:42.720 what are you talking about. I said, well, they're the 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:44.480 first guy in history that went in the hospital for 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:47.920 a month in game thirty pounds and he started laughing. 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:51.439 So at that point he started laughing at him, like okay, 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:56.480 I don't think you're gonna kill me. So so anyway, 0:09:56.720 --> 0:09:58.240 like I said, we talked with him, wh I said, 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:01.480 you know, Max, come on, man, you know I treated 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.000 you pretty good. You know, am I gonna am I 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:06.600 gonna see that eight hundred bucks or what? He says, Well, 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:08.439 you know it's a kid. You know you really did 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:11.240 treat me well. Uh you know, you know we were 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:15.719 friends and uh, you know I'm I'm sorry I did this, 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:18.679 and uh, you know, I think, uh, you know, I'll 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:20.280 be up to Reno in the next you know, a 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:22.160 couple of days, a couple of weeks, and I'll make 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:23.600 it good. He said, I don't have it on me now, 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:25.440 but it was in the turf club betting no horses, 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:27.520 you know, but I don't have it on me now. 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:30.040 It's okay, that's all right. I mean, how far is 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:35.080 I gonna push this, you know? So uh So anyway, uh, 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:37.800 you know, we we kind of shake hands, and I'm thinking, okay, 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:40.439 I got through that one, that that wasn't so bad. 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:46.760 At least I kind of made my statement. And let's 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:48.760 just say when I pouted myself down every night, I 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:51.959 didn't even cool Hunter Bucks, so I had a feeling 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:54.760 I wouldn't there see it. So anyway, uh, you know, 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:58.920 time goes on. Uh and it's probably about a month 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:03.920 or so later Nash see, I hadn't seen them. And 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:08.520 back in those days, this is the nine one. So 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:11.240 back in those days, you know, guys don't realize, say 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:13.600 we get the out of town papers. You know, there 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:16.160 was no internet, there's nothing like that to try to 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:18.240 get as many out of town papers as you could, 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:21.000 uh and try to just read up on what was 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:23.000 going on in the world of sports. And we know 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:25.280 it was actually a good position. We've got to San 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:29.120 Francisco Chronicle every day. We also got the l a papers. Uh. 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:31.600 You know, we get the Portland's and Seattle papers, which 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:33.880 were dead two papers at this time, both very good, 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:35.920 you know, k do we get a Utah paper. We 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:38.559 got to Las Vegas papers nationally. So there's a guy 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:41.400 who had great little news stand in downtown. You know. 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:44.400 I didn't go in there every day, and the guy 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:46.360 was actually a better in mine. So I get all 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.840 the papers every day, and usually with all those papers, 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:51.280 I would just read the sports section and just throw 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:52.600 the rest of the way. I didn't have time to 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:55.880 read everything else. So this one day, for some reason, 0:11:56.520 --> 0:12:01.360 I got to San Francisco Chronicle and I for whatever reason, 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:04.040 I just started reading the whole paper and I get 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:07.520 to the local sections of the local San Francisco Bay 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:12.280 Area section, and on the front page there's a murder 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:17.200 and a motel parking lot in sam matale I. Look, 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:23.120 Max Kirshner was murdering somebody, put a shotgun to his neck, 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:26.040 pulled the trigger. He died, I think on the way 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:28.040 to the hospital or shortly after he got the hospital. 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:32.800 They declared him, said Jesus, you know, so there's definitely 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:36.000 something going on with him. So that story, right next 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:41.160 to that story, and a totally unrelated story, was a 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:46.120 picture of Meyer Landskip, who was either being indicted or 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:50.120 was in depositions or something like that over god knows 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:53.080 what at that point in time, and I'm thinking to myself, 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:56.840 there is no way this is a coincidence. Somebody at 0:12:56.880 --> 0:13:02.120 the paper knew something or suspected something. And and again 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:04.520 right then I started getting the creeps. Well, first of all, 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:08.160 he was dead, and I listen, despite what happened and 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:10.760 all that, I still kind of like the guy. You know. 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:14.319 Whether it's foolish on my part, it easily could be, 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:17.320 but I kind of liked the guy, you know, So 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:20.240 I read the story. You know, I mean, this is 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:23.800 not how most people died, you know, you know, you're 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.200 not going to your car at a motel and Santito 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:28.440 and somebody comes up with a shotgun to your neck 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:30.760 and pulls the trigger, and that's you know, there's something 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:34.200 going on there. And then you have the Lancey story 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:37.800 right next to it, and I'm thinking myself, you know, 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:41.200 and to this day, I don't know how much of 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:43.840 it is true, how much he isn't. But Gil, I 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:46.080 know you did some google work while we were on 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:48.679 the air when I first told this story, and there 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:51.599 are things like, I think on those tax returns he 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:55.280 put you know, uh, mafia muscle man or it must 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:58.679 be a mafia man or something like like it was 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:00.360 that kind of a guy. I mean, he was a 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:04.120 total nut, you know, and he wrote a couple of books. 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:07.520 I'm sorry, you'll go ahead, No, no, I'm saying the 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:09.480 first time that you told this story on the podcast, 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:12.840 the Beating the Book podcast, I was I was googling 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:15.200 while towards the end of this story because I couldn't 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:18.679 believe this story, and it got into like some microfiche 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:22.720 images where that was what was revealed. We actually I 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:24.760 actually did some here. First of all, before I even 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:29.760 show this, we found um, how long after you had 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:33.440 contact with him did this? Did you read this newspaper? 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:35.720 Was it a year? Was it at six months? Like? 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:40.360 What was it? Do you have the newspaper right there? Well, 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:42.440 we don't have the one that you're talking about, but 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:48.520 here on January, and Kelly, you can throw this up January. Uh. 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.680 This is from the San Francisco Examiner. And as you 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:54.000 point out, this is sort of it's down on the 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:57.240 front page. This is in the California section. I guess 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.280 they used to have a California section of the San 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:03.800 Francisco Sunday Examiner. And the name of the pieces called 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:08.520 boasting quote hit man, unquote, slain and san Mateo known 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:12.520 for temper. That was the That was the title of 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:16.000 the article. Yeah, known for temper. Would you like to 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:18.000 be known for your temper? Uh? And next to it 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:21.040 is an image of a book Joey Kills by Joey 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:25.760 So all the while, Max, who was a hit man, 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:31.520 also wrote books under the pseudonym Joey Um. And so 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:33.240 there's a there's a picture of that. By the way, 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:36.520 part of this article reads, and it's really small on 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:38.640 visa dot com and Visa app, but I'll read it. 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:40.760 I'll just read a little section of it which says 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.560 um Joey in quotes, because that's again what he wrote 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:46.640 the books as was not the type of man to 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:50.760 argue with except you were just you were just smack. 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:59.400 Is two hundred and fifteen pounds on a five ft 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.920 five inch frame were pure muscle. That there's the part 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:06.480 of joy. As his literary agent Richard Curtis of New 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:10.560 York said, quote, he became so hostile when you sounded skeptical, 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:15.840 it was better to believe him. Unquote. Uh. The comment 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:18.920 was echoed by David Fisher, the man who helped Joey 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:22.120 write his books. Uh. The New York freelance writer said 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:26.880 he remembered, Uh, Joey. He remembered having dinner with Joey 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:28.920 and with a few of his friends in Los Angeles. 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:31.360 Fisher said one of his friends asked, Joey, what would 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:33.160 you say if I told you I didn't believe you? 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:35.320 And Joey This is from the article here in the 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:40.080 San Francisco Examiner again January, right after his death, Joey 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:42.280 picked up a fork known as Joey, but this is 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:45.800 actually Chriss Max. Here, Joey picked up a fork, leaned 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:48.760 across the table and shoved it up against his friend's throat. 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:52.880 I'd say to you say it again, Fisher quoted Joey. 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:59.200 It's say by the way. The previous day, United Press 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:01.640 International u p I, as those of a certain age 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:05.000 will remember it. Uh. The dead man's brother, Morris Kirshner, 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:08.600 said he's surprised. He was surprised by the killing. Uh. 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.480 Quote said he was not surprised by the killing. They 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:14.720 actually have a mission here. Quote. I just figured his 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:22.200 time was due, he said that. Imagine, I can't imagine 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:24.560 you must have been what like after you read all this, 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:31.720 weren't you sort of like it wasn't that chilling for you? Yeah? 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:33.800 And I think that when I told you the story 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:36.359 the first time, I think I remember telling you a 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:38.639 gun My heart is beating because I didn't tell that 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:41.320 story to too many people over the years, you know, 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:45.200 but I can feel my blood pressure rise, my pulse increase, 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:47.400 and uh, you know, I was probably in a cold 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:49.399 sweat the first time I told you that story on 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:52.399 the podcast. Like I said, if he would have killed 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:56.000 me that day when I was in Bay Meadows and 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:59.160 psalm and you know, I don't want to, you know, confrontation, 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:01.760 it's not even a proper language, you know. But when 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:05.640 I saw him that day, uh, I wouldn't have surprised 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.280 you that much. I mean I was I was prepared, 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:10.480 Like you know, I'm not sure what's gonna happen here, 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:14.119 and I was very happy. Now the you know, Sharon 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:16.480 was not my wife at that time. So this happened 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:20.320 in January of eighty two, so I only met him 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:23.480 like in June of eighty one. So this all happened 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:26.040 with him like seven months, you know. So this was, 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:30.280 you know, whether rather rapidly, but yeah, I you know, 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:32.960 confronted him over eight in our bucks, made a joke 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:37.280 about his weight, and uh stole his girl from him. 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:43.320 I think said he killed fifty Yeah, I think he 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:47.440 said he killed fifty three people. I'm glad it wasn't 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:50.159 fifty four, just when we put it that way, because 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:53.879 I might not be here to tell those stories. Yeah, 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:55.800 I look back and yeah, sure, and I when I 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:58.280 saw some those details. Uh, you know, he stuck a 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:01.600 fork at some guys stroke. I'm surprising at all. Not 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.400 not in the least bit surprising. He was that kind 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:06.199 of guy, and he could fly off the handle in 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:08.640 the second it was five five and what they pay 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:18.480 to Yeah, but as you said, is weight fluctuated from them? Yeah? Yeah. 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:20.359 From the u p I art from the u p 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:24.560 I article from January two. As you point out, Kirshner 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:28.399 claimed to have murdered fifty three people. His literary agent 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:32.640 described him as a very funny, very colorful character who 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:36.600 sported taps on his on his patent leather shoes and 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:39.200 war and I'm curious if you remember this war an 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:44.320 elaborate ring on his left pinky elaborate ring, not just 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:46.560 the ring, and elaborate one. He said that in nineteen 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:48.720 seventy two, so ten years earlier, he was so taken 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:50.880 with Kirshner stories that he had arranged for a ghostwriter 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:54.040 to collaborate with the self styled hitman on a book. 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:56.800 And so for those who are interested after this show, 0:19:56.880 --> 0:19:59.400 perhaps to to read read more about it. The name 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:01.240 of the book and you can, actually, I think by 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:05.240 this if it's in stock on Amazon. It's gold Killer Killer, 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:07.879 the Biography of a Mafia hit Man, written under the 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:13.040 pen name of Joey Black. And if I'm not mistaken, 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:15.720 and I have not watched this yet, but I think 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:17.960 this morning, when I was doing just a little extra 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:22.679 uh googling on this, I think there's a video of 0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:25.399 Max talking about this. Don't hold me to that it 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:28.000 might be his literary agent, but there's a YouTube clip 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:30.639 about this as well. So I mean this is some 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:36.320 serious stuff. And again Chris Andrews here thirty eight years later. Uh, 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:40.440 lucky to be here, because I said, I've never seen 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:47.080 anybody gain so much weight in the hospital. Yeah, like 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:50.600 I said, I look back at I don't know, I 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:52.320 don't know how he let me get away with that, 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:54.000 And I'm just taking a fork in my neck. I 0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:58.639 really don't know, you know, But but I know I 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:02.119 kind of like me was person the funny guy, you know, 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:05.320 but I wouldn't have been that surprised to be killed 0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:07.199 me or tried to kill me at least, you know, 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:10.560 the figure and all these things that happened along the 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:14.160 way there. But unfortunately I'm here. So but the other 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:17.560 things we're stanting to mention, you know, Yeah, the cops 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:22.240 never came and questioned me or anybody account me either. 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:25.040 And Matt, I mean, I'm starting, you know that such 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:28.080 a I would figure I'd probably would be a suspect. 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:30.639 You know, I don't know, I mean, you know, you 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:32.920 know me, I'm like, I killed somebody over eight hunder butts, 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:35.240 you know, but I'm sure why wouldn't they even come 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:39.040 and talk to anybody? You know? Obviously they they didn't 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:41.240 care that much, you know, So as as as someone 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:43.080 who has spent most of my adult life in the 0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:47.000 Bay Area, I'm not surprised that police work. Let's just 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:49.439 put it that way. Glad you're here with us a 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:51.919 classic story, and glad you're not victim number fifty four. 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:55.439 Imagine he's like, yeah, fifty three, like he counted the 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:58.800 guys that he murdered. We assume it's all guys. Uh. 0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:02.480 Next story coming up actually involves one of your long 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:07.680 time friends and UH fraternity members bookmaking in Nevada. Nick 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:11.280 Bogdanovich involved in the next one. It's a shorty coming 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:14.200 up again the name of the book. Then one day 0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:17.480 forty years of book baking in the state of Nevada 0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:21.159 from Chris Andrews, available where all books are sold. U 0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:23.720 telling stories all day long, a special edition of story 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:27.160 Time right here on the Numbers game at Visan the 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:31.560 Sports Betting Network. Welcome back to a Numbers game with 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:37.520 Jill Alexander Backs game is DAGE Live, San Francisco. At 0:22:37.600 --> 0:22:41.200 least I'm in San Francisco. Chrissie back in Nevada, back 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:44.160 in Las Vegas, UH telling the stories once again from 0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:48.560 his book. Then one day forty years of bookmaking in Nevada. 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:51.240 We can flash that up on the screen. Whatever available. 0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:54.040 We're all books are sold, including Amazon. Uh maybe in 0:22:54.080 --> 0:22:57.119 the South Point gift Shop when it reopens, we don't know. 0:22:57.600 --> 0:23:00.320 We'll see if it's restocked. This one is a a 0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:06.360 quickie but involves Nick Bogdanovitch as well. Chris. Yeah, this 0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:08.440 was when Nick and I were working at the Golden 0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:12.800 Nugget together, and uh, you know, every day about last 0:23:12.840 --> 0:23:14.679 time we go and take a walk around town, and 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:17.280 only one of the things about downtime least back then, 0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:21.080 and probably coming back to a lot of different sports 0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:23.280 books in town, you know, so it's like kind of 0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:26.680 a great way to, you know, shop for numbers and 0:23:26.760 --> 0:23:29.040 when you usually walk around see all the other sports books. 0:23:29.080 --> 0:23:30.840 We go out of the Golden Nugget and we'd walk 0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:34.639 up to El Cortes and I can't I can't remember 0:23:34.640 --> 0:23:36.720 if they were part of the South Point yet or not. 0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:38.879 They might not have been for a while. They were 0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:41.520 like a satellite at the South Point, and so may 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:44.400 we go up there. We went to the Freemont, which 0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:50.119 was avoid property. We went to Union Plaza, which I 0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:53.800 think at the time was Lucky's. I think they had 0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:56.879 a sports book. And we go to Fitzgerald's, which was 0:23:57.000 --> 0:23:59.359 a leroise, you know, so we kind of make the rounds, 0:23:59.400 --> 0:24:01.040 just kind of look and numbers and seeing what was 0:24:01.080 --> 0:24:02.760 going on. I talked to the guys behind the counter, 0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:05.560 and that's what I think. So we going to Fitzgerald's, 0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:08.120 which this is the Dean now by the way, owned 0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:11.480 by our good friend Derek Stevens. So this was fitzgerald 0:24:11.560 --> 0:24:15.200 before Derek bought the place. And we go handing upstairs, 0:24:15.240 --> 0:24:17.520 and I think it was our last stop before we're 0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:20.040 heading back to the Golden Nugget. So we go in 0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:21.920 and uh, you know, we're talking a little bit and 0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:24.640 then we're gonna head and yeah, we're gonna go get 0:24:24.680 --> 0:24:27.960 the bathroom before we walk back to the Golden Mining. Okay, 0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:31.560 so walk into the bathroom and there's like five or 0:24:31.640 --> 0:24:36.639 six guys crowder around us. Stall. Now we walk in there. Oh, 0:24:36.760 --> 0:24:41.639 I'm about about maybe forty eight or so at the time. 0:24:42.080 --> 0:24:44.720 I think Nick's about seven years younger. Me said he's 0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:48.159 forty one. We went the youngest in there by like 0:24:48.240 --> 0:24:51.679 twenty years, you know, probably in the whole place. You know, 0:24:52.280 --> 0:24:54.520 walk in there, there's all these and They look at 0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:57.520 us like, oh, here's these young studs don't know what 0:24:57.560 --> 0:25:00.240 to do. Okay, we look at it. They look at 0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:02.760 us like, what the hell is going on? So we're 0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:05.520 trying to get the door open. We we think this 0:25:05.560 --> 0:25:11.040 guy dead on on the toilet, Jesus, so we can't 0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:13.440 help him. You know, show me the door open. We 0:25:13.520 --> 0:25:15.960 get it open. We're looking side. Oh yeah, he's dead. 0:25:16.280 --> 0:25:21.639 He's dead on the toilet. The one you want to 0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:25.520 give him mouth to mouth recitation. No, I don't, but 0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:31.200 if you do, feel free, I'm not gonna do that. 0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:33.679 What do you think we drive? I think you just 0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:36.480 called security of what you do right now? You haven't 0:25:36.520 --> 0:25:38.720 done at all already. They're waiting for me and Nick 0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:42.359 Bugghim just to walk in the rescue the guy. You know, 0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:47.600 that's just a quick story, but one of the one 0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:51.879 of the tales of downtown lots day, just back in 0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:56.719 the day. So it was kind of a weird one. 0:25:57.440 --> 0:26:00.879 Did of a seam of murder, of the hurder, a 0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:03.879 bit of a scene of murder here so far murder. 0:26:04.680 --> 0:26:07.920 I'm not sure this guy was accept maybe is a 0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:11.639 high cholesterol diet something like that was probably uh, his 0:26:12.840 --> 0:26:15.320 life's choices. I think murdered him more than a guy 0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:19.359 like Joey Black I would. So anyway, just know that 0:26:19.560 --> 0:26:21.680 we come up on this segment pretty quick, so that's 0:26:21.720 --> 0:26:24.480 just that's just a pretty quick one. But just one 0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:27.119 of those things. And I guess they shouldn't be laughing. 0:26:27.160 --> 0:26:29.520 But you know, the guy wasn't older gentleman like I said. 0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:31.520 I went in. I was forty eight years old at 0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:34.280 the time. I was the youngest guy around, like like 0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:39.600 twenty years So yeah, anyway, I still tragic you're the guy. 0:26:39.760 --> 0:26:42.400 But it's just one of those weird stories in Las 0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:45.440 Vegas that I'm sure it happens elsewhere, but sure it 0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:47.800 seems like it happens in Las Vegas more often than 0:26:48.320 --> 0:26:50.560 than the other parts of the country. I was probably 0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:52.960 not in Beverly Hills. That's probably not what's gonna happen. 0:26:53.000 --> 0:26:56.000 You're going to the restroom at the Beverly Hill probably 0:26:56.000 --> 0:26:58.399 not gonna gonna happen. I was gonna say, I was 0:26:58.400 --> 0:27:00.800 gonna say, Chrissie. That was that's the hard rock every 0:27:00.840 --> 0:27:05.920 weekend about a decade or two ago. Uh in the back. No, 0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:09.200 I'm kidding um. By the way, I brought up murder, 0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:11.040 that you won't be Angela Landsbury for the rest of 0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:13.680 the show. But do you ever hear the pet summer 0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:16.000 All John Madden thing when they used to when Summer 0:27:16.040 --> 0:27:18.679 All used to promo murder, she wrote, at the end 0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:20.760 of the at the end of a football game on 0:27:20.760 --> 0:27:23.840 a Sunday, they they were getting so they would drink 0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:26.880 a lot that two of them spoiler alert um and 0:27:26.920 --> 0:27:29.040 then they decided to have a bet between each other 0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:30.560 to crack each other up. That every time at the 0:27:30.600 --> 0:27:32.120 end of the show or at the end of the game, 0:27:32.160 --> 0:27:34.320 as the game was winding down, some are all would 0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:38.159 try to make the gap between murder and she wrote 0:27:38.320 --> 0:27:40.200 longer and longer, so it got to the point where 0:27:40.200 --> 0:27:41.440 by the end of the season it would be like 0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:43.080 coming up except for those of you on the West 0:27:43.119 --> 0:27:48.639 Coast sixty minutes followed by Angela Landsbury and murder. She wrote, 0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:51.080 that kind of that kind of thing anyway, but no 0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:56.080 more murder, Christie coming back on a Dumble's Game. Then 0:27:56.160 --> 0:27:57.840 one day, four years of book making in a vat 0:27:57.880 --> 0:27:59.480 on the way back right here at Vista the Sports 0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:03.600 Petting Network, Welcome back to a Numbers Game with Jill 0:28:03.720 --> 0:28:07.080 Alexander It is a numbers game right here at theast 0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:09.199 of the biggest stats and information network, brought you by 0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:13.040 the bet MGM map. It's Gill Alexander live from San 0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:16.800 Francisco today, Chrissie Andrews on the phone. Uh. And for 0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:19.280 those just tuning in wondering, Oh, they're just telling stories 0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:22.800 all day. Uh. This is the sort of you know, 0:28:23.320 --> 0:28:25.640 the version of story time that Chrissy used to tell 0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:28.440 on the Beating the Book podcast, all sort of condensed 0:28:28.480 --> 0:28:31.280 into one show. We'll put it in podcast form later 0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:34.800 in the day as well, Chrissy. Uh. From Murder to Honor, 0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:39.560 this is about one of your mentors in the business. Yeah, 0:28:39.600 --> 0:28:42.200 this is This is a story about Warren Nelson, who 0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:44.960 was the guy really who hired me at cal Neva. 0:28:45.200 --> 0:28:48.600 And uh, you know, without Warren, without the cal Neva, 0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:50.440 you know, I wouldn't be where I am today. So 0:28:50.520 --> 0:28:53.400 a lot of kudos to him. There's a lot of 0:28:53.400 --> 0:28:55.400 Warren stories I have, but this one is my favorite. 0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:58.240 I wasn't there for it, but so I can't vouch 0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:02.560 for the the the absolute truth of the story, but 0:29:02.600 --> 0:29:04.440 I can vote for the truth. If this is what 0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:08.200 Warren's told me, I can tell you that. I guess, 0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:10.760 let's just get into it. Warren was one of those guys. 0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:15.040 Grew up in Montana. And Warren's passed away. Now he 0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:18.160 was alive, he'd be about a hundred and ten, I think, so, 0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:22.280 you know, just to go back and subtractor when he 0:29:22.320 --> 0:29:24.720 would have been born, I guess about nineteen ten something 0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:27.680 like that. So grew up during you know, the early 0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:30.600 years and lived through his depression that sort of thing. 0:29:30.680 --> 0:29:34.160 So it really was the wild West back then. Sometimes 0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:36.520 Montana is still a little bit like that. Anyway, back 0:29:36.560 --> 0:29:38.160 in the day, Warren would tell me there's all kind 0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:42.520 of stuff going on in Montana. A lot of Chinese immigrants. 0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:45.560 They like to gamble on an awful lot of things. 0:29:45.680 --> 0:29:48.000 And and that's so there was a lot of Charlotteans 0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:52.360 around there. And Warren learned to to deal, to like 0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:56.600 deal black jack, poker or whatever. And he also learned 0:29:56.840 --> 0:29:59.880 a lot of magic tricks with cards. And he did 0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:02.080 something for me, like right in front of my eyes, 0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:04.880 and I mean, I'd be like, you know, two ft 0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:07.240 from him, and he mix the deck, mix the deck, 0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:10.200 mixed deck. Boom, here's the Ace of Spade. Holy crap. 0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:14.040 He mixes deck cut the cars. Boom, here's the Ace 0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:16.560 of Spades. You're sitting there like he's right and running 0:30:16.560 --> 0:30:18.840 and they don't only crap, how did he do this? 0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:22.000 You know? But he could do those kind of things. 0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:26.240 And as a twenty one dealer, he could also deal 0:30:26.360 --> 0:30:28.720 you from the bottom of the deck or whatever to 0:30:28.800 --> 0:30:31.640 give you any card he felt like, given you one. 0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:35.120 Kind of guys and uh, you know, I mean, I'm 0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:37.680 sure there's some of them around, not too many anymore, 0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:42.560 I would hope, but they're still around anyway. So this 0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:47.120 was back I count EVA started in nineteen sixty two. 0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:50.160 Now that they was originally two places, the County EVA 0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:53.920 right along the state line up that uh uh an 0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:56.880 Incline Village in Lake tom and there was the county 0:30:56.880 --> 0:30:59.320 even downtown Rena. So I think they had split by 0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:02.960 this point and it was just the cal Neva in 0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:07.960 Reno and uh Reno for those folks that don't know, 0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:11.880 can be extremely seasonal. Uh if we get a bad winner, 0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:13.840 a lot of people can't come in from the Bay area, 0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:15.960 which is the big feed or market. They can't get 0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:18.720 over the hill. Um it's about a you know, I 0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:21.160 think about an eight thousand foot pass. You have to 0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:25.320 go over uh to get into Reno from California, and 0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:28.320 especially back then, you know, the road cruise weren't nearly 0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:30.120 as good as they are today. So a lot of 0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:32.840 times in the winter, Reno would you know, really be 0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:35.239 pretty slow. This was one of the This was one 0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:38.360 of those years and Calmy was just getting started and 0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:41.720 they were coming up the first year in business without 0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:46.480 the lake, and they weren't going to make paywall. Uh. 0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:51.160 They were struggling and they had expenses obviously, and they 0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:53.320 was coming up and they, you know, these guys, they 0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:57.400 didn't know what to do. Into the joint. One night 0:31:57.560 --> 0:32:01.560 came Pappy Smith. Now Pappy Smith and his son Harold 0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:07.400 owned Harold's Club in Reno. Now Harold's Club was really 0:32:07.480 --> 0:32:12.440 a pretty happening joint. And for those who remember, probably 0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:15.920 guys my age or even older, there were signs throughout 0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:20.479 the west about you know, X amount of miles to 0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:22.720 Harold's Club and Reno x, you know, and it was 0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:25.960 really kind of, uh, you know, pretty good marketing plan. 0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:29.920 And that was a thing. Harold, Pappy's son, was really 0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:33.480 the casino guy, and he started the company, started the casino, 0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:39.520 and Pappy came in and Pappy kind of almost mustled 0:32:39.520 --> 0:32:41.480 out his own son. You know, Pappy was not a 0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:44.560 casino guy, but he was a great promoter, which he 0:32:44.600 --> 0:32:47.720 really was. And Pappy was quite the character. I think 0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:51.560 he was married five times and even like some of 0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:55.120 his ex wives when they when they got you a couple, 0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:59.280 I know that we're very sick late late in their life. Uh, 0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:03.240 Pappy took care of them, you know, financially, So he 0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:06.840 good and dad was Pappy, as with most of us, 0:33:06.960 --> 0:33:08.560 very hard to just say he's a good guy or 0:33:08.560 --> 0:33:10.360 a bad guy or whatever. But it was definitely a 0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:13.520 promoter and uh, that sort of thing. So it was 0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:16.360 a very colorful character. So he's at the County EVA 0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:18.760 and he comes into the County EVA and this is 0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:21.120 during the wintertime, county of the sweat and whether they 0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:24.120 can make their payroll. He comes to the blackjack table 0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:28.000 buys in for thirty thousand. Like I said, this is 0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:32.680 early sixties, thirty thousands, pretty helping buying nowadays. What was 0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:36.960 a fourth and back then he buys in for thirty thousand. 0:33:37.960 --> 0:33:42.040 Warren moves the dealer off the game. He's going to 0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:48.200 deal himself to Pappy Smith. Again. Something you won't see nowadays. 0:33:48.240 --> 0:33:53.960 You know, So Warren starts dealing the Pappy well low 0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:58.640 and behold, Warren starts healing from the bottom of the debt. 0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:02.080 Or you know, however or however he did it, I 0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:06.640 really don't know, but you know, slowly but surely he 0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:10.640 gets Pappy for the thirty thousand. Now, Warren wouldell himself. 0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:14.759 He'd say, Cappy knew what was going on. Pappy knew 0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:19.640 he was being cheated and never said anything Warren. Warren said, 0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:23.400 Pappy must have known that we were in some desperate straits, 0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:27.560 weren't going to make payroll as he and even though 0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:30.880 they were right down the street and a competitor, Pappy 0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:34.799 let it go. I knew he was getting. Did they 0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:38.520 have a previous relationship, Chris, the two of them, Well, 0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:41.239 I'm sure they did. I'm sure they did, because that's 0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:44.160 the way Reno was. You know, certainly a very small 0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:46.840 town back then, and uh you know, a lot different 0:34:46.920 --> 0:34:51.120 in Las Vegas, the downtown Reno a lot of little casinos, 0:34:51.160 --> 0:34:52.880 but you know, some of them were very profitable. I 0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:55.840 mean that Pappy's joint made a ton of money. Harold's 0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:59.440 Harolds because really one of the first uh No hotel 0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:02.160 or anything like that. Just the casino, and that was 0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:04.920 that was another part of the market around Reno. At 0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:09.320 that time. All the motels filled up. The hotels weren't 0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:12.000 all that big until much until later Harris came in 0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:14.840 and build a big tower and all that. But before 0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:18.960 that was really all the motels. So Pappy loses the 0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:24.280 thirty thousand and walks out, doesn't saye and even makes payroll. 0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:29.719 Wound up being very profitable, very very successful. Warren and 0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:35.640 all the owners became very wealthy. I don't know how much. 0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:39.080 Let's bookmark that story right here, because I gotta squeeze 0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:40.719 in one break. This is a good place to to 0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:43.239 sort of take that break, uh, And we'll get back 0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:45.080 to the conclusion of this story. We'll tell some other 0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:47.360 ones again for those just landing on the show today, 0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:50.839 just in the in the time that we are in 0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:54.960 these strange times of the coronavirus. Something to distract you, 0:35:55.719 --> 0:35:59.160 uh from yourself quarantining and from the uh, just sort 0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:02.600 of odd situation that we're all in these days. Some 0:36:02.760 --> 0:36:04.920 stories from back in the day from then one day 0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:07.440 forty years of book making in Nevada from Chris Andrews 0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:10.400 will continue in moments at Visa in these Sports Betting 0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:12.759 Network right here on a numbers game. Welcome back to 0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:18.640 a numbers game with Gil Alexander. It is enough as 0:36:18.680 --> 0:36:21.560 game Piel Alexander back here on the show, live from 0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:24.480 San Francisco. Chris Andrews kind enough to join us for 0:36:24.480 --> 0:36:28.240 the full two hours telling stories story time with Chrissie 0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:31.040 today on the show before we get back into the 0:36:31.040 --> 0:36:33.680 War and Nelson story, because it was an interesting point 0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:35.400 where you left off. I have to say, it's a 0:36:35.400 --> 0:36:36.960 beautiful day. It looks like it's going to be a 0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:38.960 beautiful day here in San Francisco. And I have to 0:36:39.000 --> 0:36:42.080 tell you, Chris, this is the part of quarantining that 0:36:42.239 --> 0:36:44.439 is that is not. I don't think enough is made 0:36:44.440 --> 0:36:48.440 of when the weather is terrible. I think everybody's cool 0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:52.920 on staying inside. When it gets beautiful like this, it's amazing. 0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:56.160 It's amazing. And think about it, Like in comparison, Roxy 0:36:56.239 --> 0:36:59.319 was making this point yesterday, how little we sacrifice of this. 0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:01.160 We're just being asked to stay on the couch and 0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:03.759 watch Netflix. Right, But when it's nice like this, I'm 0:37:03.800 --> 0:37:06.160 telling you there's gonna be tons of people running outside. 0:37:06.719 --> 0:37:09.880 It is. It is tough. It goes against our nature, 0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:11.680 even though we know that's what we're supposed to do 0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:16.880 these days. Oh yeah, Like I think you and I 0:37:16.960 --> 0:37:20.880 talked yesterday that our parents are grandparents, uh you know, 0:37:21.000 --> 0:37:27.640 Flotting wars yours escaped the Holocaust um and the sacrifice 0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:29.560 we have to do is wash our hands for twenty 0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:33.480 seconds and stay inside. You know, so amazing, amazing apatis 0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:37.960 compared to that. You know, this is a very serious crisis, 0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:41.279 and we can't you know, we have to take care 0:37:41.320 --> 0:37:46.800 of ourselves to take care of everybody else around us. Absolutely, absolutely, 0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:50.600 quick wrap up, please, a quick wrap up of that. 0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:53.440 Warren Nelson's story, just very quickly. So Warren beats the 0:37:53.480 --> 0:37:56.680 guy out of thirty thousand. He swears Patti Smith knew 0:37:56.719 --> 0:38:00.080 what was going on, but you know, and sometime in 0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:01.759 her on I don't know what six months, a year 0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:05.160 or two years, I have no idea. Warren wasn't specific 0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:08.000 about that. He told me. After Colt y Evil was born, 0:38:08.040 --> 0:38:10.959 like I said, they became very very successful. He took 0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:14.640 thirty thousand over the out of the cage and he 0:38:14.680 --> 0:38:21.719 went over to Harold's close and he purposely blew the 0:38:21.800 --> 0:38:25.880 thirty thousand. Back to Harald's club, back to Patty Smith 0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:29.120 and his son of Harold, and uh that Harold was 0:38:29.200 --> 0:38:31.840 actually the casino guy. But of course Harold knew what 0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:34.560 was going on, and just on the way out, Warren's 0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:37.239 just kind of nod at the Harold. Harold nodded back, 0:38:37.800 --> 0:38:41.240 and that was the end of it. He your audio, 0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:45.279 your audio, for sure, your your audio dropped out for 0:38:45.280 --> 0:38:47.120 a second. He did it playing black jack. He just 0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:48.920 purposely lost it on black jack. What how did he 0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:52.520 lose the money again? Yeah, he went over to play 0:38:52.520 --> 0:38:55.800 black jack and purposely lost it playing black jack. And 0:38:55.840 --> 0:38:57.960 Warren was pretty good black jack. He was pretty good 0:38:57.960 --> 0:39:00.839 at all those casino type games, you know, so, uh, 0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:03.680 forgetting to lose thirty thousand would not be you know, 0:39:03.760 --> 0:39:06.440 a normal thing. But he went over and purposely lost it. 0:39:06.600 --> 0:39:09.600 Back to Harold and Pappi Smith. So you know, good 0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:14.360 on mon for being a man of honor, which he was. Yeah, again, 0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:19.920 something you couldn't imagine a casino conglomerate CEO doing with 0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:25.000 another one today at least I just just wouldn't happen. Um, 0:39:25.040 --> 0:39:28.040 all right, but this uh oneted this tell this one too. 0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:33.319 You haven't told this one in a long time. Oh 0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:38.960 really okay, I hope obviously one of our favorite stories. Uh. 0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:41.200 This was back in the day at County even again 0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:44.719 it was nine two and uh one of the things 0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:47.279 we were doing at Caltyva we tried to add year 0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:51.200 round parlay cards and then you know, we tried to 0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:54.000 argue with Warren did not do this, you know, but 0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:56.320 he insisted on it and he did it. So he 0:39:56.440 --> 0:39:58.919 parley cards even through basketball season. Was one of those 0:39:58.960 --> 0:40:02.000 deals where it put out some numbers. We make the card, 0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:05.520 like on Wednesday or Thursday, even at by time Saturday 0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:07.439 and Sunday came around. Some of those numbers were really 0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:11.000 still and it was very playable card, h with a 0:40:11.160 --> 0:40:14.239 very slow whole percentage. But that's what Warren wanted, so 0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:18.920 that's what we did. Anyway. One, uh, this is one Saturday. Um, 0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:22.239 we had this guy who was as every sports book 0:40:22.280 --> 0:40:25.759 manager in town has at least one guy like this, 0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:30.640 probably more five dollar better and he's always betten you know, 0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:33.759 four or five, six, seven, eight teamers and he's a 0:40:33.880 --> 0:40:38.399 total pain in hees. Chris, I bet over on this game? 0:40:38.440 --> 0:40:40.960 Can I change it to under? The halfway through the 0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:43.080 part like you'd have an eight team or four in 0:40:43.600 --> 0:40:45.640 and he wanted to change it. Chris canna get listed 0:40:45.680 --> 0:40:50.719 pictures on this party. I mean, whatever could do to 0:40:50.920 --> 0:40:54.719 just be a pain, that's what he would say, you know. 0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:58.160 And this guy was the Psycho James we called them, 0:40:58.840 --> 0:41:01.200 and he wasn't psycho. A nice guy, but he was 0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:06.880 definitely had some some issues. Uh. Anyway, started coming up 0:41:06.920 --> 0:41:10.040 and this was like really a daily occurrence to go 0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:13.120 through this, you know, every day, every day. So finally 0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:15.480 I got tired of dealing and I said the James, 0:41:16.040 --> 0:41:19.560 I would love to do it, but you Lawando won't 0:41:19.640 --> 0:41:22.399 let me. Now you Lando Juna, who's been in this 0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:24.640 business about as long as I have, is that the 0:41:24.680 --> 0:41:27.440 mirage rights are about a couple of weeks ago. And 0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:31.440 we still laugh about this story. I would do and 0:41:31.440 --> 0:41:33.680 you Lawn that kind of ran the back room, she 0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:36.120 ran the race book, she handled all the computer stuff, 0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:38.680 all that sort of thing. And I would tell him James, 0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:41.080 I would do it, but you Lawn, they just won't 0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:42.920 let me do it. It's not on me, it's on 0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:46.600 your Landa. Oh oh, so you Lawana, she's the big boss. Yep, 0:41:46.760 --> 0:41:49.160 you Landa, She's the big boss if I could do 0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:51.000 what I would, but you Lawanda just won't let me 0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:55.080 do it. Oh okay, okay. So this would go on 0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:56.719 and he says, Chris, I know I want to change 0:41:56.719 --> 0:41:59.280 his ticket, but Yolanda won't let you do it. Oh no, James, 0:41:59.320 --> 0:42:00.960 I would love to personally, I would do it in 0:42:01.000 --> 0:42:03.000 a second, but Lawn, they just want him to do it. 0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:07.960 So we had our sports book and race book was 0:42:08.040 --> 0:42:10.360 separate at the time, and you lawn to, all the 0:42:10.400 --> 0:42:12.880 computers and everything were over in the race book. So 0:42:12.960 --> 0:42:15.640 Ylanda was working out of the race book and she 0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:18.719 come through the the sports book every now and then. 0:42:18.880 --> 0:42:21.719 And as she would come through, Now, James used to 0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:23.759 wear a hoodie. Now this was back in yet his 0:42:23.840 --> 0:42:26.440 hoodies were not all that popular and certainly see him 0:42:26.440 --> 0:42:28.600 a lot today, but they weren't around much back in 0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:32.000 that day. Well, he would like sinch up that hoodie 0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:36.160 and he looked like Kenny on South Park, you know, 0:42:36.800 --> 0:42:40.080 where you could barely see his eyes and he scrunched 0:42:40.120 --> 0:42:42.640 down in the chair. I mean, he was just an 0:42:42.640 --> 0:42:48.320 abject fear of Yolanda, just fear of Yulan. And Landa 0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:51.680 didn't even know this guy existed. And she didn't care less, 0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:54.719 like said, the guys the five dollar better. She never 0:42:54.760 --> 0:42:56.799 had to deal with them, of course, because he was 0:42:56.840 --> 0:42:59.600 scared to death of her. And I had to do 0:42:59.640 --> 0:43:01.840 it every day. So how is she gonna know about 0:43:01.960 --> 0:43:04.400 this guy? You know? And but there would be Psycho 0:43:04.560 --> 0:43:08.120 James and we would just laugh when Landa would come through, 0:43:08.160 --> 0:43:10.719 we said, what watch James, watch James, and he since that. 0:43:10.840 --> 0:43:13.120 I mean, it was just so funny, you know. So anyway, 0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:18.239 now this is back, like I said, early eighties basketball 0:43:18.400 --> 0:43:22.160 on TV, and the kids these days don't understand it. 0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:25.839 I mean, before then you used to get like one 0:43:25.960 --> 0:43:28.840 game on TV on a Saturday and maybe two and 0:43:28.920 --> 0:43:31.680 that was about it. But now with the advent of 0:43:32.000 --> 0:43:35.240 you know, ESPN was showing games and the USA Network 0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:39.680 was showing games. Plus we were getting uh local broadcasts 0:43:39.719 --> 0:43:44.239 on the satellite system all that sort of thing, so 0:43:44.320 --> 0:43:47.000 there was a lot of games on TV. So this 0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:49.880 was one of those days. And and James bet a 0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:54.799 five dollar parlay card and it paid a thousand dollars, 0:43:54.960 --> 0:43:57.400 you know, so the odds were, what's that two hundred 0:43:57.400 --> 0:44:01.319 a month? So James has a five dollar pin, he's 0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:06.719 got seven in he's got seven in and it's going 0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:09.000 to the eighth game. Now, the games were all in 0:44:09.040 --> 0:44:12.880 the morning, and then the the eighth game was I 0:44:12.920 --> 0:44:15.359 think a five o'clock start, So eight o'clock back east, 0:44:16.120 --> 0:44:19.480 so Harry comes Christmas. Can I can I avoid out 0:44:19.520 --> 0:44:22.719 my eighth game because I just say, uh, you know, 0:44:22.800 --> 0:44:26.440 five hundred or whatever. It is. No, James, Now he's 0:44:26.480 --> 0:44:28.360 got he's got all of this. He's got a thousand 0:44:28.640 --> 0:44:31.160 guys are five dollar read, he's got thousand dollars running 0:44:31.440 --> 0:44:33.000 on his last game. He wants some for you to 0:44:33.000 --> 0:44:35.800 take it, or he wants to get somebody to back 0:44:35.880 --> 0:44:37.920 them so he can head the last bet. You know, 0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:42.080 nobody's gonna led James five dollars for him to let 0:44:42.640 --> 0:44:44.520 the you know, the head of his last game. He 0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:47.560 couldn't come up. And now the game tips off. He's 0:44:47.600 --> 0:44:50.319 got a sweat the game, and I pretty I went 0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:52.839 back and looked, and I think I I found the game. 0:44:52.880 --> 0:44:56.920 I think it was Connecticut versus uh Syracuse versus Connecticut. 0:44:56.920 --> 0:44:59.520 It was a great Connecticut team, a big, great Yokes 0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:06.279 team that had uh Leo Rautins Arab Santa for you know, 0:45:06.360 --> 0:45:08.799 go back to like that year. I think that's the game. 0:45:08.840 --> 0:45:14.560 I'm not sure when you think it might be anyway, Yeah, 0:45:15.080 --> 0:45:18.000 I think it's a little before Pearl Washington. So anyway, 0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:25.160 so Syracuse is blowing about, they're blowing about, and James 0:45:26.040 --> 0:45:30.239 he starts strutting. He starts strutting. He's running around the 0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:33.000 sports book. For those do know, no, a lot of 0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:35.720 Reno guys probably listening. The county of the sports book 0:45:35.760 --> 0:45:38.000 was big. It's a big sportswoo probably bout the size 0:45:38.120 --> 0:45:41.160 of on the South Point, you know, sports book so 0:45:41.239 --> 0:45:45.680 pretty big. He starts running laughs, He's got the ticket 0:45:45.760 --> 0:45:49.040 in his left hand, holding it up. He's got to 0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:52.320 roll up newspaper and he's hitting himself on the butt 0:45:52.840 --> 0:45:56.480 like a jockey whipping a horse and running around the castine, 0:45:56.600 --> 0:46:01.600 running around the sports book holding the Chris Chris thousand dollars, 0:46:02.200 --> 0:46:05.959 thousand dollars, you owe me a thousand. Tell your lawn 0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:08.640 that that, tell your line to that. And now he 0:46:08.680 --> 0:46:11.360 starts running around and he's hit himself, and that's the 0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:14.960 chance that he's, Hell you lawn to that, Tell you 0:46:15.040 --> 0:46:17.600 lawn to that. Well, who comes walking through the sports 0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:22.960 regret at your Lawnda and she's like, what the hell? 0:46:23.160 --> 0:46:28.520 Is this because I've been throwing your lawned up? Oh no, no, 0:46:28.640 --> 0:46:30.840 And like I said, I've been throwing her under the 0:46:30.920 --> 0:46:34.600 bus for months. You know, she has no idea, you 0:46:34.600 --> 0:46:36.880 know though this guy, she doesn't know I'm throwing her 0:46:36.960 --> 0:46:39.960 under the bush. Well, now I gotta pest up and 0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:43.360 tell you, lawn to really, what's going on? What's happening. 0:46:43.760 --> 0:46:45.880 And she just looked at me like that. She was 0:46:45.880 --> 0:46:48.239 probably bad for about half a second, but after that 0:46:48.640 --> 0:46:51.440 we just started laughing. And like I said, to this 0:46:51.600 --> 0:46:53.600 and I had. She was at a dinner with me 0:46:53.640 --> 0:46:55.879 a couple of months, a couple of weeks ago, and 0:46:55.920 --> 0:46:58.000 we did we told the story again and we both 0:46:58.040 --> 0:47:01.480 still crack up at the site. It's burned in your memory. 0:47:02.080 --> 0:47:05.800 Him parading around the sports book, you know, slapping himself 0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:08.200 on the butt like it was like a jockey whipping 0:47:08.200 --> 0:47:11.000 a horse. Tell you, laan to that. Tell you And 0:47:11.000 --> 0:47:12.640 there's a couple of us work that they're still in 0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:15.040 the business and we still if I ever say tell 0:47:15.080 --> 0:47:21.040 you to that, don't just start laughing right away. Psycho 0:47:21.120 --> 0:47:24.680 James won his one thousand. You know, as you know 0:47:24.760 --> 0:47:30.240 Chris I worked with for I'm sorry, go ahead finish, 0:47:30.280 --> 0:47:33.960 go ahead. I'm just gonna say. Then. Of course, James 0:47:33.960 --> 0:47:37.880 started betting to game mat Man. By the next Saturday, 0:47:37.880 --> 0:47:41.440 he was back to five going part that's of course 0:47:41.440 --> 0:47:43.200 he was. I used to work with j Rute as 0:47:43.239 --> 0:47:45.280 you know what, MGM, and he one day he casually 0:47:45.320 --> 0:47:47.880 was like, yeah, my assistant Yoli, and I was like, Yolie, 0:47:48.080 --> 0:47:50.680 you mean Yolanda. And I went up to Yolanda and 0:47:50.680 --> 0:47:53.480 I go, you're Yolanda. And she couldn't understand. She had 0:47:53.520 --> 0:47:58.279 no idea what was going on. She was amazed by that. 0:47:58.480 --> 0:48:00.720 We'll come back more stories for see on the Numbers 0:48:00.760 --> 0:48:04.680 Game Visa the Sports Betting Network, The Numbers Game with 0:48:04.800 --> 0:48:11.759 your host Gil Alexander. Believe it is the Numbers Game 0:48:11.920 --> 0:48:14.520 right here at Visa, the Vega Stats and Information Networks, 0:48:14.520 --> 0:48:17.560 brought you by the Bed MGM app Gil Alexander live 0:48:17.920 --> 0:48:20.640 from San Francisco. It's our new San Francisco office. Is 0:48:21.080 --> 0:48:23.799 uh here at Visa. Chris Andrews with us for two 0:48:23.840 --> 0:48:27.160 hours talking about his book. Then one day forty years 0:48:27.160 --> 0:48:29.000 of book making in Nevada, telling some of the stories 0:48:29.000 --> 0:48:32.839 that are included in that book. Later this week on 0:48:32.880 --> 0:48:37.759 the show Tomorrow, Bill Krakenburger, no time like uh these 0:48:37.840 --> 0:48:40.040 days to do a profile of Bill. I always get 0:48:40.040 --> 0:48:41.839 to talk to him every week, but never really get 0:48:41.880 --> 0:48:45.440 to get into his origins and betting. And we'll hear 0:48:45.520 --> 0:48:48.160 his story. Mike Palm and Todd Wishnev on the show 0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:51.359 tomorrow a little uh megapod reunion. We'll hear from Mike 0:48:51.360 --> 0:48:54.920 Palm how everything is affecting Circle, what they've done to 0:48:55.040 --> 0:48:58.279 sort of I don't know, uh, what's the word, but 0:48:58.400 --> 0:49:02.839 to protect to themselves these days from what's going on, 0:49:03.600 --> 0:49:07.000 uh with the coronavirus, Todd Wishnev with how it's impacting 0:49:07.160 --> 0:49:09.920 his life, uh. And then Brent Musburger later in the week, 0:49:10.000 --> 0:49:13.160 Ron flat or Vinni mala Ulo. Thank god yesterday for 0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:17.440 Rufus Peabody and Roxy Roxburrow and Mike Lombardi. Michael Lombardi 0:49:17.520 --> 0:49:20.359 was fabulous yesterday for an hour, so of course he's 0:49:20.400 --> 0:49:22.560 a great guy that will have on time and time 0:49:22.560 --> 0:49:25.680 again through it all talk NFL free agency and the 0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:29.080 draft of course approaching. But we're lucky to have Chrissie 0:49:29.120 --> 0:49:32.160 not once but twice this week, uh to hang out 0:49:32.200 --> 0:49:36.280 with us for an extended period of time. Chris another 0:49:36.360 --> 0:49:39.560 hour of stories. Let's keep them coming. This one, It's 0:49:39.680 --> 0:49:42.160 one is a is an oldie, but goody, I love 0:49:42.200 --> 0:49:44.080 We We title these when we send them back and 0:49:44.120 --> 0:49:46.040 forth to each other like what we're gonna what we're 0:49:46.080 --> 0:49:49.399 gonna actually talk about? This one is simply called well, 0:49:49.440 --> 0:49:51.400 I won't even say because it's kind of the punchline, 0:49:51.440 --> 0:49:55.879 so I'll let you tell. Yeah, yeah, okay. So this 0:49:55.960 --> 0:50:00.719 was my teen seven is a Sunday night game team. 0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:04.120 And for those who remember back then, so this was 0:50:04.160 --> 0:50:06.719 the Bears and the Vikings. So the Bears were two 0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:10.239 years removed from that team that a lot of people 0:50:10.320 --> 0:50:12.239 think they're one of the best ever, certainly one of 0:50:12.280 --> 0:50:15.440 the best defenses ever, won the Super Bowl, and easily 0:50:15.760 --> 0:50:19.399 think wounded up with one loss all year. Anyway, two 0:50:19.480 --> 0:50:21.480 years removed from that, so there's still a great team 0:50:21.520 --> 0:50:24.560 that certainly not what they once were. Minnesota was a 0:50:24.640 --> 0:50:27.480 terrific team this year, but this was the strike year 0:50:27.960 --> 0:50:30.680 in Minnesota. Of all the teams really kind of blew 0:50:30.719 --> 0:50:34.920 it during the strike because they had three strike games 0:50:35.120 --> 0:50:37.600 and they all counted in the standings and they used 0:50:37.600 --> 0:50:42.640 scabbed players, and Minnesota kind of and they admitted afterwards. 0:50:42.680 --> 0:50:45.000 They never took it seriously. They didn't think they were 0:50:45.080 --> 0:50:47.560 the games. They didn't think there'd be anything, so they 0:50:47.560 --> 0:50:51.279 were totally unprepared. So they were kind of fighting for 0:50:51.360 --> 0:50:55.280 their lives to make it into the playoffs. Uh, because 0:50:55.320 --> 0:50:58.160 they blew all three of the strike games. So each 0:50:58.200 --> 0:51:01.239 game once they once the players came back in and 0:51:01.280 --> 0:51:04.120 what had each game was really almost like a playoff 0:51:04.160 --> 0:51:06.480 game for them. So it was a huge game from Minnesota, 0:51:06.880 --> 0:51:09.799 who was good, not a great game, but a very 0:51:09.880 --> 0:51:11.879 very good team that year. And I think a matter 0:51:11.920 --> 0:51:14.880 of fact, this year they lost on the to the 0:51:14.960 --> 0:51:18.840 Redskins with a pass that Darren Nelson dropped in the 0:51:18.960 --> 0:51:22.000 end zone. You know, you probably remember that better than I. 0:51:22.000 --> 0:51:24.319 I was at that game anyways, I was. I was 0:51:24.360 --> 0:51:26.960 at that game at k Stadium. Yeah. Yeah. No. The 0:51:26.960 --> 0:51:29.279 reason that that significant that the Vikings didn't take those 0:51:29.320 --> 0:51:33.760 scab games seriously is because contrasted with the Redskins, who 0:51:33.840 --> 0:51:36.920 did take it very seriously. Bobby Betherd and Joe Gibbs 0:51:36.960 --> 0:51:39.400 coached up those players. Movies have been made about the 0:51:39.400 --> 0:51:43.120 Redskins scab team, and the NFC championship ended up being 0:51:43.719 --> 0:51:48.680 Minnesota at Washington largely because those scab games all counted. 0:51:49.120 --> 0:51:54.040 So yeah, yeah, that really was it was significant. Yeah 0:51:54.040 --> 0:51:57.520 in Minnesota really blew it, you know. Anyway, So this 0:51:57.600 --> 0:51:59.880 was they were playing something night game against the Bears 0:52:00.239 --> 0:52:02.480 and the game was running around picked him, you know, 0:52:02.600 --> 0:52:05.120 that was pretty much the number around. It was gonna 0:52:05.160 --> 0:52:08.120 be an intense team. Hey, well we had this one 0:52:08.160 --> 0:52:10.520 player and I told him Ben, I don't want to 0:52:10.560 --> 0:52:13.279 go into too many details about him, and you'll see 0:52:13.280 --> 0:52:15.640 why he kind of seen. But he would come in 0:52:15.760 --> 0:52:19.080 and this guy, I mean, he had big, big money 0:52:20.080 --> 0:52:22.279 and it was about as big as the general gamblers 0:52:22.280 --> 0:52:25.880 here from bed in your life back then, like I said, 0:52:25.680 --> 0:52:27.880 we didn't have the done best screen. We didn't we 0:52:27.880 --> 0:52:32.239 didn't have anything. And halftimes in basketball we're you know, 0:52:32.360 --> 0:52:35.200 practically unheard. There were there was a few round loads 0:52:35.200 --> 0:52:39.439 of big games. Remember he came up U. He came 0:52:39.480 --> 0:52:42.080 into the County EVA and he said, oh, I'm late 0:52:42.120 --> 0:52:46.439 getting here. I'm late. Jana U c l A and 0:52:46.840 --> 0:52:50.759 b y U was on the TV and he said, 0:52:50.760 --> 0:52:53.920 can you make me a halftime number as well? No, 0:52:54.080 --> 0:52:57.960 I know I haven't really been watching. I don't know 0:52:58.000 --> 0:53:00.720 what's going on. He's I'll tell you what make hand number, 0:53:00.880 --> 0:53:05.000 and I guarantee a thirty thousand dollar bet. Well, okay, 0:53:05.040 --> 0:53:08.040 I'm not gonna turn that down, you know. Okay, come 0:53:08.120 --> 0:53:10.239 up with a number, and there he goes. He bets me. 0:53:10.440 --> 0:53:12.919 You know, I mean, listen, I'm getting eleven, he's getting jack. 0:53:13.320 --> 0:53:16.240 So he bets me thirty three thousand and win thirty. 0:53:16.440 --> 0:53:17.960 And I can't remember which side he had, but he 0:53:18.000 --> 0:53:20.520 did lose that game. But anyway, the guy was really 0:53:20.520 --> 0:53:24.480 a pretty good handicapper, uh. And he was also a 0:53:24.480 --> 0:53:26.720 big player in the pit. So this is a whale 0:53:27.160 --> 0:53:29.800 that we landed at calt Neva. But a lot of 0:53:29.840 --> 0:53:31.760 guys like that, they really liked coming to a reno 0:53:32.200 --> 0:53:35.000 because if they went to Vegas, they were a big 0:53:35.040 --> 0:53:37.600 fish in a big pond. If they came to a reno, 0:53:37.800 --> 0:53:40.719 they were a monster fish in a small pond. And 0:53:40.719 --> 0:53:43.120 this was this guy, and he loved to have his 0:53:43.200 --> 0:53:46.280 butt kissed and everything else. So we treated him like goals. 0:53:46.280 --> 0:53:48.000 And he was a huge player both in the pit 0:53:48.160 --> 0:53:52.240 and in the sportsman. Anyway, he comes up one weekend, Uh, 0:53:52.239 --> 0:53:54.800 this is for that during that Minnesota and is a 0:53:54.920 --> 0:54:00.520 cash here's check for two thousand and it's kind of 0:54:00.520 --> 0:54:02.640 going back and forth, back and forth, back and forth 0:54:02.680 --> 0:54:05.120 a little weekend. So come to the Sunday night game, 0:54:05.440 --> 0:54:09.320 he's pretty much like dead even he wants to put 0:54:09.520 --> 0:54:14.879 the whole two hundred seventy five thousand on the on 0:54:14.960 --> 0:54:18.800 the game. Okay, well, he goes, well, I want to bet. 0:54:19.480 --> 0:54:23.799 I want to bet the vikings, you know, And at 0:54:23.800 --> 0:54:25.920 this time I always said I want to bet a hundred. 0:54:26.120 --> 0:54:28.200 I want to bet two hundred thousand on the vikings. 0:54:28.360 --> 0:54:30.160 And I know what he's gonna do with the other fifty. 0:54:30.440 --> 0:54:32.080 I know he's gonna come back at half time and 0:54:32.160 --> 0:54:34.239 bet the vikings. Because that he was never a guy 0:54:34.280 --> 0:54:37.440 that would have hedge, never ever. So I said, Howard 0:54:37.480 --> 0:54:40.360 Thomas Man, you know, you know, I'll let you play, 0:54:40.680 --> 0:54:42.800 but I gotta give you two numbers. And that's a 0:54:43.000 --> 0:54:45.120 that's a big bet, you know, I I gotta let 0:54:45.160 --> 0:54:47.880 I'll let you play. You have to lay pick and 0:54:47.880 --> 0:54:50.080 then you have to lay one for half of it 0:54:50.239 --> 0:54:52.680 on each Oh, no, you've got this all right. It 0:54:52.760 --> 0:54:55.600 was always a negotiation with this guy, always fighting with 0:54:55.880 --> 0:54:59.959 it and whatever. You know. Usually, you know Bill mcke 0:55:00.200 --> 0:55:04.680 who was the boss. Bill mc would handle like you know, 0:55:04.760 --> 0:55:07.319 almost all the negotiations as far as money. He loved 0:55:07.320 --> 0:55:09.480 gonna cash your check. He was looking to get a marker. 0:55:09.600 --> 0:55:12.239 He's doing all this. Bill handled all that, but let 0:55:12.239 --> 0:55:15.440 me handle like the negotiations as far as you know 0:55:15.440 --> 0:55:18.239 what he was gonna bet what point spread, et cetera. There, 0:55:18.560 --> 0:55:20.880 And I would tell him, I said, I gotta shows 0:55:20.960 --> 0:55:23.440 something to build. I just can't let you step all 0:55:23.480 --> 0:55:25.879 over me. And kind of as it's still picking one, 0:55:26.360 --> 0:55:28.880 as they still just have to win the game. You 0:55:28.880 --> 0:55:31.840 know that, it's still you know, it's a difference. I 0:55:31.920 --> 0:55:33.880 understand that, but it's not huge, you know. And so 0:55:34.040 --> 0:55:36.120 finally I get him the okay, even when you pick 0:55:36.239 --> 0:55:39.480 him in one other game hundred thousand each, and of 0:55:39.520 --> 0:55:42.160 course he comes back at half time and bet the 0:55:42.200 --> 0:55:46.799 other fifty five thousand, five thousand ride money game, Yeah 0:55:46.880 --> 0:55:51.040 to seventy five to win two sixty you know. So anyway, uh, 0:55:51.640 --> 0:55:54.040 why it's a great game. Now, I have to tell 0:55:54.080 --> 0:55:55.799 you this. It's a kind of a mea culp on 0:55:55.880 --> 0:55:59.520 my point. I got some of the details wrong in 0:56:00.080 --> 0:56:04.120 the book, and the game in its entirety, as of 0:56:04.200 --> 0:56:07.400 about a couple of months ago, is posted on YouTube. 0:56:07.960 --> 0:56:09.799 So I went back in the whole game. Somebody told 0:56:09.800 --> 0:56:12.719 me that that I the whole game. I went back 0:56:13.440 --> 0:56:15.319 like the fourth quarter. So I had a couple of 0:56:15.360 --> 0:56:18.319 things wrong, you know, with you know, listen, I wasn't 0:56:18.360 --> 0:56:22.000 taking notes at the time. This is ven. You know, 0:56:22.040 --> 0:56:23.680 I got a few of the details wrong, but I 0:56:23.760 --> 0:56:27.600 got the crux of the story right. Anyway that you know, 0:56:27.640 --> 0:56:32.239 the uh, the Vikings were down, they came back, take 0:56:32.320 --> 0:56:36.480 the lead, Bears come back, and anyway that the score 0:56:36.960 --> 0:56:42.640 is sitting at twenty four twenty three Minnesota with like 0:56:42.800 --> 0:56:45.280 under a minute to play, and right away I'm thinking, 0:56:45.320 --> 0:56:47.560 you know what, well, first, I'm gonna blow a hundred thousand, 0:56:47.719 --> 0:56:49.279 I think even when it's half time that two so 0:56:49.280 --> 0:56:51.640 I'm a ball and or fifty thousand. I know this 0:56:51.640 --> 0:56:53.120 guy is gonna give me a big paint in the 0:56:53.160 --> 0:56:56.440 ask because I made him later one also almost like 0:56:56.480 --> 0:56:59.000 I'd rather just win the two hundred thousand, you know, 0:56:59.040 --> 0:57:02.120 than than now, because he pushed on the one that 0:57:02.200 --> 0:57:04.279 I'm gonna have to deal with this and it's gonna 0:57:04.360 --> 0:57:07.520 be tortured, and I was. This guy was just he 0:57:07.640 --> 0:57:11.840 was another guy I always kind of liked them, but 0:57:11.920 --> 0:57:15.240 he could really be difficult. To deal with So anyway, 0:57:16.320 --> 0:57:18.400 you know, we go. We you know, I'm watching the 0:57:18.440 --> 0:57:21.480 game and you know, Bill comes down to my office 0:57:21.520 --> 0:57:23.760 and watching the game and he's doing the same things, 0:57:23.760 --> 0:57:26.479 and she's, yeah, those when you made the write bookmaking move. 0:57:26.560 --> 0:57:28.080 But this is just going to be such a band 0:57:28.120 --> 0:57:30.240 and he asked to deal with that. I'm gonna hate 0:57:30.280 --> 0:57:33.320 dealing with it, but you know whatever, that's what it is, 0:57:33.360 --> 0:57:37.720 and we we're gonna blow at this point. So okay. Anyway, 0:57:37.760 --> 0:57:41.600 So now, by the way, the other the other part 0:57:41.600 --> 0:57:45.800 of this story, both teams lost their starting quarterback. Now. 0:57:45.880 --> 0:57:48.960 For the Bears, it was Jim McMahon. For the Vikings 0:57:49.040 --> 0:57:53.600 it was Tommy Kramer, but both good quarterbacks. The backup 0:57:53.680 --> 0:57:56.800 for the Vikings was Wade Wilson, who was a career 0:57:56.840 --> 0:57:59.400 backup who was always one of those guys almost like 0:57:59.400 --> 0:58:02.000 a George and the type we can't had a great 0:58:02.080 --> 0:58:05.040 career as a backup, was never a terrific starter, but 0:58:05.120 --> 0:58:07.080 he pulled out a lot of games out of the 0:58:07.120 --> 0:58:11.600 fire as a backup. And let me just Chris for 0:58:11.600 --> 0:58:13.800 a second. Wade Wilson was the guy who ended up 0:58:13.840 --> 0:58:15.760 playing the rest of the season for the Vicers. He 0:58:15.880 --> 0:58:18.600 was the guy who threw that last beast to Darren 0:58:19.240 --> 0:58:21.480 Nelson that went in complete. Darryl Green broke it up 0:58:21.480 --> 0:58:23.240 at the goal line in the championship game. So yeah, 0:58:23.240 --> 0:58:25.440 that was the end of the season. The rest of 0:58:25.440 --> 0:58:29.400 the way was Wade Wilson. Yeah, so he really was 0:58:29.440 --> 0:58:32.120 a terrific back. I had a pretty good career. I 0:58:32.160 --> 0:58:37.200 think Wade Wilson passed away too, by the way. Um anyway, 0:58:37.240 --> 0:58:41.919 so Tom Mike, Tom's deck and undrafted free agent. He's 0:58:41.960 --> 0:58:43.360 either a rookie year I think he might have been 0:58:43.360 --> 0:58:47.240 a second year man out of out of Ohio State. Undrafted. 0:58:47.880 --> 0:58:53.880 He's the backup for for UH for Jim McMann. But 0:58:53.920 --> 0:58:57.480 he's playing pretty good. So now, yeah, there's under a 0:58:57.480 --> 0:58:59.800 minute to play. Yeah, they got a score. He got 0:58:59.880 --> 0:59:01.720 a a at least the field goal here to win 0:59:01.800 --> 0:59:06.640 the game and games in Minnesota. And Tom Zack leads 0:59:06.840 --> 0:59:11.680 down the field and he hit Gary Gentry, who was 0:59:12.080 --> 0:59:15.240 a converted running back who they were using a wide receiver. 0:59:15.640 --> 0:59:17.200 Of course, you weren't getting a lot of carriers with 0:59:17.280 --> 0:59:19.600 Walter Payton in the game hit us, so they converted 0:59:19.680 --> 0:59:22.960 him the wide receiver. He catches the ball in the flat, 0:59:23.320 --> 0:59:26.160 he breaks one tackle and it's one of those. I mean, 0:59:26.160 --> 0:59:28.120 we're watching you can see he breaks the one tackle. 0:59:28.360 --> 0:59:33.360 He's gone. He's so he winds up to avoid one 0:59:33.360 --> 0:59:35.440 other guy, you know, just you know one on one 0:59:35.520 --> 0:59:37.720 that the goal, and he avoids him, goes into the 0:59:37.800 --> 0:59:43.320 end zone, scores with about forty seconds to play, and naturally, yea, 0:59:43.960 --> 0:59:49.240 the Bears wind up winning the game, and Ben goes 0:59:49.400 --> 0:59:52.720 bull listing. So he's looking to win, you know, like 0:59:52.840 --> 0:59:56.080 from winning a hundred fifty thousand, he goes the losing 0:59:56.120 --> 1:00:00.680 two hundred seventy five. He goes nothing and and uh 1:00:00.800 --> 1:00:04.920 now he goes we have them. He we had his 1:00:05.000 --> 1:00:08.600 own special room where he was watching the game and 1:00:08.720 --> 1:00:13.040 Bill and I are watching it on you know, closercuit TV. 1:00:14.080 --> 1:00:17.280 He's going nuts. He's you know, he would smoke like 1:00:17.360 --> 1:00:19.760 crazy when you know things are on the line. He's 1:00:19.920 --> 1:00:22.680 growing ashtrays. I don't know if he broke the TV 1:00:22.840 --> 1:00:25.280 or not in fit him, but he's throwing ashtrays. He's 1:00:25.320 --> 1:00:28.959 going nuts, ripping up favors, throwing He's trying to trying 1:00:28.960 --> 1:00:31.800 to get get ahold of Bill. Bill doesn't want to 1:00:31.800 --> 1:00:34.640 talk to me, trying to avoid you know, Bill, I 1:00:34.680 --> 1:00:36.760 gotta get out of here. I gotta Finally he gets 1:00:36.800 --> 1:00:39.160 ahold of Bill he wants, you know, so he blew 1:00:39.200 --> 1:00:41.000 all his money, he had his cash, gear's check. It's 1:00:41.040 --> 1:00:43.800 all one. He gets Bill to give him a marker 1:00:44.960 --> 1:00:47.440 I think for twenty thousand. Yeah, I'm being pretty sure 1:00:47.440 --> 1:00:50.960 that's one to get Bill. He writes a check to 1:00:51.120 --> 1:00:53.160 Bill and he tells Bill, I'm not gonna be you know, 1:00:53.280 --> 1:00:55.600 don't can't catch it right away. He said, that'll be 1:00:55.640 --> 1:00:57.920 good in a couple of days. Takes the twenty thousand 1:00:58.520 --> 1:01:01.320 and uh, and he doesn't tried to win a playing 1:01:01.320 --> 1:01:03.680 black jacket and one of my favorite parts of the store. 1:01:04.240 --> 1:01:07.320 So he has his own blackjack table and he's playing 1:01:07.360 --> 1:01:09.320 like I don't know how many hands. I'm really not 1:01:09.480 --> 1:01:11.480 a black jack guy. I'm not a you know, I'm 1:01:11.520 --> 1:01:14.520 not a take games guy. But I'm watching and I 1:01:14.520 --> 1:01:17.240 don't want him to see me, but I'm watching. Over 1:01:17.280 --> 1:01:19.600 on the side, they bringing a guy who was kind 1:01:19.600 --> 1:01:22.200 of a friend of mine, who was like the calmest 1:01:22.280 --> 1:01:24.880 dealer you ever saw in your life. And they brought 1:01:24.920 --> 1:01:27.400 this guy in on purpose because they knew Ben couldn't 1:01:27.480 --> 1:01:30.960 rattle him. Because he trying to rattle everybody, everybody all 1:01:30.960 --> 1:01:33.720 the time. So they bring in this guy to deal 1:01:33.760 --> 1:01:39.480 with the where it was, you know, dealer dealer has like, uh, 1:01:39.520 --> 1:01:41.720 you know an ace up or face card up. I 1:01:41.720 --> 1:01:44.560 can't remember what. You know, Ben had dealt to four teams. 1:01:44.880 --> 1:01:47.840 He takes the cards, he ripped them up, and throws 1:01:47.880 --> 1:01:52.160 him in the dealer's face. The dealer just looks over 1:01:52.200 --> 1:01:57.160 at the pit. Boss says, new deck. That's like, um, 1:01:57.640 --> 1:02:01.560 I lost that. I mean, so funny just the way 1:02:01.640 --> 1:02:07.760 this guy reacted looks over that deck. He winds up flowing, 1:02:08.640 --> 1:02:12.400 he winds up blow in the twenty thousand. Uh, you're 1:02:12.480 --> 1:02:14.760 trying to get you know, trying to win a quarter 1:02:14.800 --> 1:02:17.440 of a million plus, you know it's probably more probably 1:02:17.440 --> 1:02:19.640 looking to win the whole casino. At that point, he's 1:02:19.720 --> 1:02:24.520 just steam and steam. He blows the twenty thousand. Bill 1:02:24.600 --> 1:02:27.000 won't give him any more money. You know that that's enough. 1:02:27.080 --> 1:02:29.320 You know, he just won't go. So he storms out 1:02:29.360 --> 1:02:32.520 of there. He leaves, and again you think that'd be me, 1:02:32.600 --> 1:02:36.280 and the story is not. So the next day we 1:02:36.360 --> 1:02:39.080 come in nextally, we're we're feeling pretty good. You know, 1:02:39.120 --> 1:02:42.160 we just want a huge bet. That's a lot of 1:02:42.200 --> 1:02:44.040 money for a little place. I count me in a 1:02:44.120 --> 1:02:46.400 book and the win you know, everything else. So we 1:02:46.480 --> 1:02:50.680 had finished off just a great, great weekend and all 1:02:50.720 --> 1:02:54.200 of a sudden bill calls and that beisades uh Ben 1:02:54.440 --> 1:02:58.640 is trying to welsh on the cashier's check. I'm pretty 1:02:58.680 --> 1:03:01.080 young at the time, I'm third be one of I 1:03:01.120 --> 1:03:04.400 can't use check. I can't use check. How did that work? 1:03:05.360 --> 1:03:08.520 I don't know. But we have to get our legal team, 1:03:08.600 --> 1:03:10.560 and you know, and again I don't want to mention 1:03:10.600 --> 1:03:12.960 the bank. The bank called us. They're going to stand 1:03:13.000 --> 1:03:18.240 behind him and try to not pay this check. Said, well, 1:03:18.360 --> 1:03:21.360 that's you know, that's that's ridiculous. Now I'm not one 1:03:21.360 --> 1:03:23.120 of the owners at this point. I'm just you know, 1:03:23.640 --> 1:03:27.600 I'm just a working stiff. But they're keeping me posted, 1:03:27.920 --> 1:03:29.919 you know. So, I mean they're they're on the plane. 1:03:29.960 --> 1:03:31.960 We get our legal team, so they have to fly 1:03:32.120 --> 1:03:35.560 into this guy's hometown where the where the bank was, 1:03:35.600 --> 1:03:39.680 and everything else so on on the way there. And 1:03:39.720 --> 1:03:41.520 like I said, I always said, tell me it was 1:03:41.640 --> 1:03:45.840 really pretty well connected politically, you'd be very surprised. I mean, 1:03:45.880 --> 1:03:49.160 I've had you know, Harry read in my office. I've 1:03:49.160 --> 1:03:52.440 had Dick Brand who was a governor and a senator 1:03:52.920 --> 1:03:55.280 in my office. I you know, I got to know 1:03:55.560 --> 1:03:57.400 Bob Miller, who was a government I got to know 1:03:57.600 --> 1:04:02.520 him reasonably well. Uh Frankie, they'll uh Frankie Sudell Papa, 1:04:02.600 --> 1:04:07.000 who was the Attorney General Secretary State in the Vatan rampord, 1:04:07.000 --> 1:04:10.640 Governor Kenny gwyn All. You know, I got to know 1:04:10.680 --> 1:04:12.880 those guys all pretty good. It was all through Cantedo. 1:04:12.920 --> 1:04:16.600 They're pretty well connected politically. Anyway, they're on the way 1:04:16.720 --> 1:04:19.919 to UH to meet the bankers and meet Band's gonna 1:04:19.920 --> 1:04:22.120 try to waltch on the check and we're going in 1:04:22.160 --> 1:04:25.240 front of a judge. And on the way they're they're 1:04:25.320 --> 1:04:28.000 they're calling the bank and saying, listen, this isn't beyond 1:04:28.880 --> 1:04:33.480 one check, so this is the cashier's check. You realize 1:04:33.480 --> 1:04:35.960 what you're doing here. This is like and I can't 1:04:36.040 --> 1:04:38.000 quote a law, I don't know the law, but this 1:04:38.080 --> 1:04:41.880 is a serious violation of whatever the banking standards are. 1:04:41.960 --> 1:04:43.880 And I'm not sure if it's you know, what the 1:04:43.920 --> 1:04:47.560 statutes are or whatever. This is a serious violation. And 1:04:47.560 --> 1:04:49.120 they explain to them, like I said, we had some 1:04:49.160 --> 1:04:52.120 pretty powerful lawyers. So by the time we get in 1:04:52.160 --> 1:04:55.640 front of the judge. So there, the judge calls us forward. 1:04:56.400 --> 1:04:58.160 I'm not there. I'm just hearing this all from Bill, 1:04:58.200 --> 1:05:00.280 who loves giving me the play by play. They're like, 1:05:00.360 --> 1:05:03.600 well this is all going on. So you know, we 1:05:03.720 --> 1:05:06.720 get they get in front of the judge and here 1:05:06.760 --> 1:05:09.840 comes the bankers. Well guess what, they come on our side. 1:05:10.240 --> 1:05:13.000 So Ben man in there by himself with his own 1:05:13.080 --> 1:05:15.640 lawyer and wait a second, the bankers, you were supposed 1:05:15.640 --> 1:05:17.320 to be on my sid No, no, no, and I 1:05:17.360 --> 1:05:21.320 will explain them that this is you really can't do that. 1:05:21.760 --> 1:05:24.920 And he's, you know, he's stunned. He's stunned. Now the 1:05:24.960 --> 1:05:27.240 bankers are taking our side this, which of course they 1:05:27.240 --> 1:05:29.080 have to. I mean it's a catch your's check. You 1:05:29.280 --> 1:05:31.960 welsh on the catch you this check, you know. So 1:05:32.160 --> 1:05:36.360 we we get the money. And now it's the next day, 1:05:36.560 --> 1:05:39.400 Tuesday morning. I'm sitting in my office. I'm working on 1:05:39.440 --> 1:05:42.320 the parlay card. There comes Bill into my office and 1:05:42.480 --> 1:05:45.680 knocks on the door. Hey, what's up are you doing? 1:05:45.680 --> 1:05:49.240 I'm booking a party card? What's up? Uh? We're being sued? 1:05:50.280 --> 1:05:55.480 Who's being sued? Me? And you? Bye? Who? By Ben? 1:05:56.160 --> 1:06:02.440 What mental cruelty. It was one of those deals. I 1:06:02.600 --> 1:06:06.000 looked at Bill and we just both broke up laughing. 1:06:06.560 --> 1:06:09.880 We couldn't stop laughing. Here we are getting to it, 1:06:09.920 --> 1:06:13.560 and this was like the cruelest s ob you ever 1:06:13.640 --> 1:06:16.120 met in your life. Like that part of me kind 1:06:16.120 --> 1:06:18.600 of like the guy, but he was cruel. You could 1:06:18.600 --> 1:06:21.880 see him in medieval time and running a torture chamber 1:06:21.920 --> 1:06:24.000 and loving every minute. But he would be one of 1:06:24.000 --> 1:06:27.600 those kind of guys. He would absolutely be that guy. 1:06:27.760 --> 1:06:31.720 And we start laughing, And why don't we stopped and 1:06:31.760 --> 1:06:34.640 look at each other and just start laughing again. I mean, 1:06:34.680 --> 1:06:37.520 we couldn't stop laughing. This guy was doing us for 1:06:37.720 --> 1:06:42.160 mental cruelty. Anyway, the wind up of the story kind 1:06:42.160 --> 1:06:44.960 of fizzles from there, but we never got called in 1:06:45.040 --> 1:06:47.240 for death positions. We never had to make a sap. 1:06:47.760 --> 1:06:50.240 At some point, cooler heads prevailed, and I'm sure the 1:06:50.320 --> 1:06:54.160 lawyer explained them. Then you couldn't win this suits for 1:06:54.280 --> 1:06:57.040 mental cruelty. That's all yourself. Now. The wind up of 1:06:57.080 --> 1:06:59.480 the stories, the business held in and I don't want 1:06:59.480 --> 1:07:02.560 to say what kind of business it was, Bill happened 1:07:03.200 --> 1:07:07.160 that this check, you know what, not Christmas would not 1:07:07.240 --> 1:07:11.160 be his biggest day. There was another day where I 1:07:11.160 --> 1:07:13.400 don't want to say what it was, where his business 1:07:13.480 --> 1:07:16.080 does the biggest sales of the year, and Bill hold 1:07:16.120 --> 1:07:20.560 onto that check until after that one day, after that 1:07:20.600 --> 1:07:24.360 weekend at the positive that check and that twenty dollar 1:07:24.480 --> 1:07:27.880 check and that cleared too, and he must have gone 1:07:28.480 --> 1:07:30.760 at that point he must have really wanted to do 1:07:30.920 --> 1:07:38.200 the mental cruelty. He Bill got him for the last 1:07:38.760 --> 1:07:42.600 and we would laugh about that one as well. Women Uh. 1:07:42.640 --> 1:07:44.840 And then of course I think the best part you 1:07:44.920 --> 1:07:49.280 and I agree is the dealer going new deck, new deck. 1:07:50.840 --> 1:07:54.080 We'll come back stories on the way, storytime with Chris 1:07:54.120 --> 1:07:56.720 the ages right there in a numbers game in Welcome 1:07:56.720 --> 1:08:02.160 back to a Numbers game with Jill Alexander not just 1:08:02.240 --> 1:08:05.000 kill Alexander from San Francisco, but Chris Andrews of course 1:08:05.080 --> 1:08:09.040 from Las Vegas, Nevada. Um talking about his book. Then 1:08:09.080 --> 1:08:12.760 one day, forty years of book making in Nevada available 1:08:12.760 --> 1:08:16.599 world books are sold. Um. You know that story, Chris, 1:08:16.640 --> 1:08:20.000 that you just told, the mental cruelty story. That that's 1:08:20.360 --> 1:08:22.600 if we had an underrated one through the years. I 1:08:22.600 --> 1:08:25.960 think that's the underrated one that was. That's an awesome 1:08:26.320 --> 1:08:29.280 twist third story. Um, and it reminds me, and this 1:08:29.320 --> 1:08:30.840 has nothing to do with anything, so forgive me for 1:08:30.880 --> 1:08:33.479 even injecting this. But I'm here in San Francisco. I 1:08:33.560 --> 1:08:35.439 used to work at came L Radio. For those who, 1:08:35.640 --> 1:08:37.320 uh who are from the Bay, I used to wear 1:08:37.360 --> 1:08:38.760 at came L back in the day, and this was 1:08:38.880 --> 1:08:40.280 This did not apply to me, but to two of 1:08:40.280 --> 1:08:44.120 my coworkers, the late Michael Ericson and Rosary. We had 1:08:44.120 --> 1:08:48.680 a listener who sued us, not for mental cruelty, but 1:08:48.800 --> 1:08:53.920 for planting a chip into his brain and brainwalk like. 1:08:53.960 --> 1:08:55.920 It was just amazing and nothing ever came of it, 1:08:56.000 --> 1:08:58.080 like in your mental cruelty case. But the fact that 1:08:58.200 --> 1:09:01.840 lawyers had to spend billable hours on these things just 1:09:03.000 --> 1:09:06.320 reminds me of stuff like that. It's amazing. Um, this 1:09:06.400 --> 1:09:08.719 is another great one that you haven't told the while 1:09:11.200 --> 1:09:13.559 I I don't know that I've ever I think I 1:09:13.600 --> 1:09:16.040 told it once on the podcast. I didn't put this 1:09:16.120 --> 1:09:20.080 in my book for a very specific reason because I 1:09:20.120 --> 1:09:24.160 have a version of this story. You know, I hoisted 1:09:24.200 --> 1:09:26.520 the story and changed quite a few of the details 1:09:27.439 --> 1:09:31.400 in my novel, which I'm trying to get published. A 1:09:31.439 --> 1:09:34.439 lot of things on hold right now, but I was 1:09:34.520 --> 1:09:37.160 kind of moving forward with that before those virus hits. 1:09:37.160 --> 1:09:39.800 You know, I'm gonna actually reach out to this one 1:09:39.880 --> 1:09:42.000 person and see if I can get this thing moving again. 1:09:42.040 --> 1:09:44.599 But I have a novel written and I think it's 1:09:44.600 --> 1:09:47.639 pretty good, and I have a version of this story 1:09:47.680 --> 1:09:49.240 in my novel, So let me just say it. But 1:09:49.280 --> 1:09:51.639 I think I've only told it once in the podcaster 1:09:51.800 --> 1:09:54.479 on our show, and it's not in the book. But 1:09:54.520 --> 1:09:58.000 I will tell it. Okay, This is a couple of guys, 1:09:58.040 --> 1:09:59.800 and you know what, I didn't use their real names 1:09:59.800 --> 1:10:01.519 of time. I thought I might as well use them now. 1:10:01.560 --> 1:10:04.160 The one guy's passed away and the other guy's a 1:10:04.320 --> 1:10:07.240 multi multi millionaire and he's over nine years old. I mean, 1:10:07.280 --> 1:10:09.679 there's nothing they could do. And then then they really 1:10:09.720 --> 1:10:12.479 didn't do anything that bad, you know, as far as 1:10:12.479 --> 1:10:15.559 they were concerned. Anyway, These were two guys that ran 1:10:15.720 --> 1:10:20.559 junk its into Las Vegas, into the Caribbean and into London. 1:10:20.760 --> 1:10:25.280 Now this is uh, you know, early seventies, at late sixties, 1:10:25.280 --> 1:10:30.920 early seventies, and uh, there was guys that don't know, 1:10:31.040 --> 1:10:34.439 London had a pretty happening casino scene at the time, 1:10:34.880 --> 1:10:38.040 and you know, casinos were uh, you know, really just 1:10:38.080 --> 1:10:42.240 a burgeoning industry, interest industry in America, you know, with 1:10:42.360 --> 1:10:45.680 Las Vegas being the primary one, and uh, but there 1:10:45.720 --> 1:10:48.679 was other ones throughout throughout the world, mostly in Europe. 1:10:48.760 --> 1:10:53.040 So they would run junkets into into London. And one 1:10:53.040 --> 1:10:54.760 of the guys, a couple of the guys that ran, 1:10:54.960 --> 1:10:58.160 you know, some of the some of the bigger casinos 1:10:58.160 --> 1:11:00.880 in London. Among them were the Craze Brothers. There's a 1:11:00.880 --> 1:11:06.520 couple of movies out there's a decent movie, uh, involving 1:11:06.560 --> 1:11:09.880 the Craze. Now, the Craze were twins out of London's 1:11:09.960 --> 1:11:15.240 East Side, uh, you know, Cockney brothers, and they were 1:11:15.320 --> 1:11:18.479 some pretty rough customers and you can go Wikipedia and 1:11:18.760 --> 1:11:22.320 Craze k r a Y. So the movie in was 1:11:22.360 --> 1:11:26.599 The Craze and it started Gary and Martin Kemp from 1:11:26.680 --> 1:11:30.920 Spandau Ballet, which was a like a new way band 1:11:30.960 --> 1:11:35.559 out of London. Yeah yeah, yeah, Smandel Balle not a 1:11:35.600 --> 1:11:39.160 bad band, you know, And anyway, that's that was they started. 1:11:39.160 --> 1:11:43.160 They were twins and played the Craigs Wins. The other movie, 1:11:43.320 --> 1:11:45.719 which I think is a little better, it's called Legends 1:11:46.280 --> 1:11:50.439 and it starts Tom Hardy and Tom plays both brothers 1:11:50.880 --> 1:11:53.439 and Tom Hardy having a terrific actor you know, another 1:11:53.680 --> 1:11:56.479 another brit Yeah. And anyway, the brothers were Reggie and 1:11:56.560 --> 1:12:00.360 Ronnie Craig k r a Y and uh, I mean 1:12:00.360 --> 1:12:04.080 they were definitely mob guys, but socialites too, almost like 1:12:04.080 --> 1:12:07.519 a gaudy like a John Gaudy kind of guy, where uh, 1:12:08.320 --> 1:12:10.479 a mobster of the people, if you will, because they 1:12:10.479 --> 1:12:13.479 didn't actually do some things like helped a lot of 1:12:13.520 --> 1:12:17.200 the you know, poor kids around around the East end 1:12:17.240 --> 1:12:19.280 of London, you know, but of course that doesn't forgive 1:12:19.360 --> 1:12:23.720 them for some of the other things because you're like, 1:12:23.840 --> 1:12:28.160 they're mob guys, but they're socialites too. Yeah, they were, 1:12:28.320 --> 1:12:30.280 They were, they were you know, I mean to ring 1:12:30.520 --> 1:12:34.160 like you know, theyre not with like Judy Garland, you know, 1:12:34.760 --> 1:12:37.840 and George Raft and some other you know, you know, 1:12:37.880 --> 1:12:41.439 celebrities of that day and age, and you know that's 1:12:41.479 --> 1:12:43.960 the way it was, you know. Anyway, these guys and that, 1:12:44.160 --> 1:12:47.839 like I said, I'll use your just Captain and tips 1:12:49.120 --> 1:12:57.600 and uh captain captain who got Captain's one and the 1:12:57.640 --> 1:13:03.280 other guy was tipped. I'll just use their nicknames. Yeah, Chris, 1:13:03.320 --> 1:13:05.640 let me let me just be let me be rude here, 1:13:05.720 --> 1:13:07.280 let me be route to interrupt you because you know 1:13:07.320 --> 1:13:10.000 this is a short break here. Let's let's continue with 1:13:10.080 --> 1:13:13.759 this story. We should probably yeah, that's all right, way sorry, 1:13:14.240 --> 1:13:16.600 Oh that's alright, short one. We'll come right back. We 1:13:16.600 --> 1:13:20.519 should probably play out spandout Ballet's true out to break here. 1:13:21.000 --> 1:13:24.360 Um this is the story about the Crab Brothers Chrissie 1:13:24.520 --> 1:13:26.559 coming back right here on the Numbers Game in Visa 1:13:26.640 --> 1:13:30.360 exclusively the Sports Betting Network. Welcome back to a Numbers 1:13:30.360 --> 1:13:37.080 game with Jill Alexander. We get tweets at Beating Booth. 1:13:37.400 --> 1:13:40.400 Always appreciate the feedback on Twitter at Beating the Book. 1:13:40.920 --> 1:13:44.240 Um Man, this is from Dan Wood at Wood Dandy, 1:13:44.280 --> 1:13:45.800 got to tell you this show is helping me so 1:13:45.880 --> 1:13:48.680 much getting through the day. Story time is awesome to 1:13:48.720 --> 1:13:52.120 thanks Gil and Chris. Really all thanks to Chris. I 1:13:52.200 --> 1:13:54.920 thank him as well, Big Cajuna uh In these times, 1:13:54.960 --> 1:13:58.280 listening to you and Chris is a perfect deflection from reality. 1:13:58.720 --> 1:14:02.599 Thank you both, and uh T for three got me 1:14:02.640 --> 1:14:05.519 in quarantine bouncing around saying tell you a love to that. 1:14:05.760 --> 1:14:07.000 I got a lot of tell you a love of 1:14:07.040 --> 1:14:12.920 that tweet strips from people. That's all right, I'm sorry 1:14:12.920 --> 1:14:15.800 we interrupted you again. Back to the Cray brothers there, no, 1:14:16.040 --> 1:14:18.000 I'm sorry. You know, we're not going to get through 1:14:18.040 --> 1:14:20.439 all these stories. They just take longer than I thought. 1:14:20.439 --> 1:14:22.479 And that's my fault. I hadn't in my notes that 1:14:22.560 --> 1:14:26.719 that's a short segment. But we never got through anyway. Anyway. 1:14:26.760 --> 1:14:29.439 So these guys, so the Captain and Tips, they go 1:14:29.520 --> 1:14:33.680 and they got drunk is running into into London. Out 1:14:33.720 --> 1:14:36.880 there in London, the Cray Brothers said, listen, we got 1:14:36.920 --> 1:14:40.960 a soccer game going and the fixes in. We got 1:14:40.960 --> 1:14:43.840 the referee in our pocket, and we got the goldpender 1:14:43.920 --> 1:14:48.920 in our pocket. So you know, oh that sounds pretty good. 1:14:49.040 --> 1:14:51.640 So they're gonna bet the game, you know, Tips and 1:14:51.680 --> 1:14:54.280 Captain there. Now, like I said, Captain was kind of guy. 1:14:54.280 --> 1:14:56.400 I think I got interrupted right at this point. Captain 1:14:56.439 --> 1:14:58.240 was kind of guy. If he walked into the room 1:14:58.479 --> 1:15:00.160 and he's bought a big guy or anything like that, 1:15:00.360 --> 1:15:02.760 but he's like a powerful guy. You know, you see 1:15:02.800 --> 1:15:04.400 some of those guys every once in a while. Not 1:15:04.520 --> 1:15:06.960 a big guy, but definitely like commands the room. Short 1:15:07.000 --> 1:15:09.799 of it. He's one of those kind of guys. Tips, 1:15:09.920 --> 1:15:12.160 not at all. Tips is always kind of like a 1:15:12.200 --> 1:15:14.640 little bit very smart guy, but a little bit of 1:15:14.680 --> 1:15:16.920 like a lost soul. You know, he'd be the kind 1:15:16.920 --> 1:15:19.400 of guy at the movie asking you who's that guy? 1:15:19.920 --> 1:15:23.360 What happened? Why did they kill that other guy? You know, 1:15:23.960 --> 1:15:27.719 he'd be one of those guys. And I love Tips, 1:15:27.760 --> 1:15:29.559 but he can drive you crazy a little bit once 1:15:29.560 --> 1:15:33.080 in a while. Right, So, so they're watching the game, 1:15:34.280 --> 1:15:37.280 like I said, this is I think this is early seventies. 1:15:37.680 --> 1:15:40.200 So the game's gone on TV. But they have a 1:15:40.240 --> 1:15:44.160 guy at the stadium and let's just make up two 1:15:44.200 --> 1:15:46.719 teams totally made up. I don't know the teams involved. 1:15:46.760 --> 1:15:49.800 I think it was probably a second level game. Uh so, 1:15:49.880 --> 1:15:53.519 but let's just say you know Arsenal and chef Chelsea. 1:15:54.520 --> 1:15:57.320 I said, they've been on Chelsea and you know, so 1:15:57.360 --> 1:15:59.799 they got the gold pender in their pocket and their referee. 1:16:00.240 --> 1:16:03.160 So the game is going on, and you know, so 1:16:03.200 --> 1:16:06.120 they need Chelsea games going on. They're getting calls from 1:16:06.160 --> 1:16:08.559 the pay phone because there's no score phone or anything 1:16:08.600 --> 1:16:11.840 like that or you know nothing, you know, mill mill 1:16:12.400 --> 1:16:15.160 mil mill, what's the score? Nil mill still mill mill. 1:16:15.840 --> 1:16:18.719 Then you know, getting towards late the game. Arsenal scores. 1:16:18.840 --> 1:16:23.640 What's the score Arsenal one nil. Oh jeez, Arsenal one. 1:16:23.960 --> 1:16:26.120 It's coming down in the end. Oh man, they're next. 1:16:26.200 --> 1:16:28.040 Now they need Chelsea to win. You know, it's one 1:16:28.040 --> 1:16:30.840 of those streewave that's like they have in Europeans offer. 1:16:31.200 --> 1:16:34.720 They need Arsenal they need Chelsea to win. Arsenal one nil, 1:16:35.200 --> 1:16:37.720 Arsenal one nill. They're an extra time Arsenal one neal 1:16:37.880 --> 1:16:41.120 one deal. So the final comes in. You know, the 1:16:41.920 --> 1:16:44.920 rest can't extend time any more than yet. He gave 1:16:45.000 --> 1:16:47.760 as much extra time as you possibly could, Like they 1:16:47.760 --> 1:16:50.080 said they got they never got a shot on the goal, 1:16:50.160 --> 1:16:51.920 even though they had the goaltender in their pocket. They 1:16:51.960 --> 1:16:55.040 never got a shot on goal. So final comes in 1:16:55.600 --> 1:16:58.840 Arsenal one mill. These guys, you know their m f 1:16:58.960 --> 1:17:01.960 and throwing their in bar. You know, they're like drinking 1:17:02.040 --> 1:17:06.080 and you know, abusing the bartender and throwing glasses around, 1:17:06.200 --> 1:17:10.840 and you know it's pretty obvious what happened. It leans 1:17:10.880 --> 1:17:14.439 over to the captain. He's a captain. How many is nil? 1:17:18.320 --> 1:17:21.000 It wasn't sure yet if he lost the bet. He 1:17:21.120 --> 1:17:26.040 didn't know how many is nil? I've seen the captain 1:17:26.360 --> 1:17:28.680 maybe like once a year or something like that. When 1:17:28.680 --> 1:17:30.640 he comes to last dayas and all I have to 1:17:30.680 --> 1:17:34.120 do is say, Captain, maybe nil, and he'll just die 1:17:34.240 --> 1:17:38.120 laughing because one of his favorite stories of all time. 1:17:38.280 --> 1:17:41.840 You know, So that the Craze offered you to make 1:17:41.880 --> 1:17:43.800 a bet, you better make the bet. I would tell 1:17:43.840 --> 1:17:46.160 you that you didn't want to mess with him. I'll 1:17:46.200 --> 1:17:47.760 do that every once in a while, too crazy. But 1:17:48.080 --> 1:17:49.880 what I'm watching, and I don't watch soccer that often, 1:17:49.880 --> 1:17:51.559 but when it comes up, I'll say to somebody'd be like, 1:17:51.600 --> 1:17:55.360 what is nil? What is nil? And they have no 1:17:55.400 --> 1:17:58.000 idea what I'm talking about. Um, let me go back, 1:17:58.000 --> 1:18:00.479 because we have just a couple of seconds here. Let 1:18:00.479 --> 1:18:02.760 me go back to the story you told earlier about 1:18:02.760 --> 1:18:05.320 the Sunday night football game, Psycho James. The great story 1:18:05.320 --> 1:18:09.040 you told earlier this hour, Um, the mental cruelty story 1:18:09.080 --> 1:18:12.000 that Sunday night game between the Bears and the Vikings. 1:18:12.040 --> 1:18:14.439 And again, you know, historically speaking, has nothing to do 1:18:14.439 --> 1:18:18.360 with the story specifically, but historically speaking, neither the Vikings 1:18:18.479 --> 1:18:21.080 nor the Redskins were the one or two seed in 1:18:21.120 --> 1:18:23.320 the NFC. They both ended up playing that scabbyar in 1:18:23.360 --> 1:18:25.200 the NFC Championship. The Redskins went on to win the 1:18:25.200 --> 1:18:27.880 Super Bowl UM, but that Sunday night game, which the 1:18:27.960 --> 1:18:30.799 Vikings ended up losing and mattered much in the standings, 1:18:30.880 --> 1:18:35.360 ultimately UM for that home field ultimately in the NFC playoffs. 1:18:35.640 --> 1:18:38.960 What was the detail that you got wrong? And the 1:18:39.000 --> 1:18:41.280 reason I ask the detail you got wrong in the 1:18:41.320 --> 1:18:44.720 book is I think I remember it differently too, And 1:18:44.760 --> 1:18:49.719 I always find this fascinating how collectively we have a memory, 1:18:50.200 --> 1:18:55.840 shared memory that is not true. You know. You know 1:18:56.400 --> 1:18:58.599 a lot of people know my wife had a brain tumor, 1:18:58.840 --> 1:19:01.759 and I wanted them learning a lot about the brain, 1:19:02.040 --> 1:19:05.280 just as I tried to understand everything I could about it. 1:19:05.560 --> 1:19:08.839 And it is fascinating how you can have these shared 1:19:08.920 --> 1:19:13.080 memories that are totally wrong. And I remember the way 1:19:13.120 --> 1:19:16.080 I remembered it was that the Bears had to score 1:19:16.080 --> 1:19:18.720 a touchdown and they didn't. All they had to do 1:19:18.800 --> 1:19:21.160 was get a field goal because they were down by one. 1:19:21.640 --> 1:19:24.800 I thought they were down by four, and that's what 1:19:24.880 --> 1:19:27.280 I got wrong in the game. I thought that they 1:19:27.360 --> 1:19:30.760 needed to score a touchdown. But you know that was 1:19:31.800 --> 1:19:33.599 you know, I don't know what it was. Maybe just 1:19:33.960 --> 1:19:36.760 Bill and I talked really what I found out, you know, 1:19:36.840 --> 1:19:39.360 as I said, I I tried to find out a 1:19:39.400 --> 1:19:42.120 few things about the brain. One of these things that 1:19:42.200 --> 1:19:44.479 they have. I don't know if it's a theory or 1:19:44.520 --> 1:19:48.920 proven or what, but when something happens you, you you 1:19:49.160 --> 1:19:54.439 actually don't remember it. You remember the last time you 1:19:54.560 --> 1:19:57.800 remembered it. So if there's a link in the chain 1:19:58.360 --> 1:20:02.160 that gets messed up more along the line, that's kind 1:20:02.160 --> 1:20:07.240 of like, you know, engraved in your brain somewhere, so 1:20:07.720 --> 1:20:10.559 you know that it's it's kind of a fascinating thing. Now. 1:20:10.600 --> 1:20:12.960 I don't know if they've proven it, not much that 1:20:13.080 --> 1:20:15.519 board vance and knowledge of the brain, you know, but 1:20:15.840 --> 1:20:18.640 that that was the thing that they said, you actually 1:20:18.760 --> 1:20:22.280 don't remember the event hasn't occurred. You remember the last 1:20:22.320 --> 1:20:25.800 time you remember it. You know, it's interesting to me, fascinating. 1:20:26.439 --> 1:20:28.519 By the way, there's a term for this, and I 1:20:28.560 --> 1:20:30.479 can't come up with what the term for this. Someone 1:20:30.520 --> 1:20:34.439 will tweet us there's a there's an actual term for 1:20:34.520 --> 1:20:38.439 what we're describing about a shared memory that is actually 1:20:38.520 --> 1:20:41.800 incorrect but has somehow pervaded pop culture in a lot 1:20:42.040 --> 1:20:44.360 In a lot of cases, this one's not exactly pop culture. 1:20:44.600 --> 1:20:46.680 My thing about this game is for some reason, like 1:20:46.680 --> 1:20:48.559 if you told me it was Gary Gentry, I would 1:20:48.560 --> 1:20:51.559 have been like, no, it wasn't it was Dennis McKinnon, Like, 1:20:51.640 --> 1:20:55.519 I just don't remember it being Gary Gentry. So something 1:20:55.560 --> 1:21:01.200 about that game specific, right, Yeah. Interesting. Someone will hopefully 1:21:01.200 --> 1:21:03.439 tweet us exactly what the term for that is, because 1:21:03.439 --> 1:21:06.400 it's an interesting work. And there it is Kelly's and 1:21:06.479 --> 1:21:10.240 my Kelly Bidlin, Uh, my producer today in my air, 1:21:10.680 --> 1:21:14.559 the Mandela effect, the Mandela effect, because there's a lot 1:21:14.600 --> 1:21:16.800 of people and I believe it traces back to some 1:21:17.160 --> 1:21:22.880 shared collective memory that Nelson Mandela had passed away in jail, 1:21:23.479 --> 1:21:26.000 but he never did, but somehow a huge portion of 1:21:26.000 --> 1:21:28.880 our society thought of him that way. So it's it's 1:21:28.880 --> 1:21:31.320 something called the Mandela effect. We'll come back maybe some 1:21:31.360 --> 1:21:34.320 adventures in bad bookmaking next. We'll see from Chrissy right 1:21:34.360 --> 1:21:36.559 here on a numbers game at Visa. Welcome back to 1:21:36.800 --> 1:21:43.400 a numbers game with you, Alexander, my producer today, Kelly 1:21:43.439 --> 1:21:45.720 Boland and I, uh sort of tripping out over this 1:21:45.800 --> 1:21:49.479 Mandela effect that we were talking about. Chrissy. Um, you know, 1:21:49.560 --> 1:21:51.560 just an example that that came to mind. I was 1:21:51.680 --> 1:21:53.920 right that It's called the Mandela effect because for some 1:21:54.000 --> 1:21:58.640 reason there was a huge swath of population that believed 1:21:58.840 --> 1:22:01.320 that Nelson Mandela had died in prison, when in fact, 1:22:01.360 --> 1:22:02.960 of course, he never did. He got out of became 1:22:03.080 --> 1:22:06.439 president of South Africa. There's other things in our pop culture. 1:22:06.439 --> 1:22:07.840 But just to give another example, I don't know why 1:22:07.840 --> 1:22:12.320 I thought of this, the old Sally Field Oscar acceptance speech, 1:22:12.760 --> 1:22:15.360 where like the rest of the world, like most people think, 1:22:15.439 --> 1:22:18.280 she said you like me, you really really like me. 1:22:18.439 --> 1:22:20.599 She never said that, like, she never said that at all, 1:22:20.600 --> 1:22:22.920 but that's how we all remember it. In fact, yeah, 1:22:22.960 --> 1:22:25.120 she said this time, I feel it, and I can't 1:22:25.120 --> 1:22:27.639 deny the fact that you like me right now, you 1:22:27.720 --> 1:22:30.160 like me, So it just becomes something that it's not. 1:22:30.280 --> 1:22:32.439 That's just one example that left him up. But there's 1:22:32.479 --> 1:22:35.120 tons of these, um But anyway, that bears Vikings game. 1:22:35.120 --> 1:22:36.519 I'm sure we have a lot of those in sports. 1:22:36.640 --> 1:22:39.040 Do you want to end with some adventures in bad bookmaking? 1:22:39.200 --> 1:22:42.479 You want to do that? Yeah? That other story we 1:22:42.640 --> 1:22:44.920 will tell some other times, you know what, you know, 1:22:45.439 --> 1:22:50.160 the adventures and bad bookmakings. The one that people ask 1:22:50.200 --> 1:22:53.160 me about all the time was the hockey teasers so 1:22:53.600 --> 1:22:56.799 let's start with that one. Yes, let's see what happened. 1:22:58.560 --> 1:23:02.679 What happened, Um, I was running the county Neva. Uh 1:23:02.720 --> 1:23:05.200 and again we were doing parley cards year round and 1:23:05.240 --> 1:23:07.160 it was one of those things where I fought worn 1:23:07.240 --> 1:23:09.240 on it. I didn't want to do it, but he 1:23:09.320 --> 1:23:11.920 insisted that we do it. And it's a lot of 1:23:12.240 --> 1:23:14.120 you know, a couple other places in town wanted to 1:23:14.160 --> 1:23:16.479 copy us, but they don't just put out the car. 1:23:16.600 --> 1:23:19.200 You actually have to have the right numbers, etcetera, etcetera. 1:23:19.400 --> 1:23:21.639 And it was really a pain. And uh, a guy 1:23:21.880 --> 1:23:23.880 really helped me quite a bit out of Roxy's office, 1:23:23.880 --> 1:23:27.479 Scott Kaminski, who was just a great And Scott's had 1:23:27.479 --> 1:23:30.439 a long career as I have in this business. And uh, 1:23:30.640 --> 1:23:34.680 Scott h Scott like just a He's had a fantastic 1:23:34.720 --> 1:23:37.360 career and he's still around. I'm not sure exactly where 1:23:37.360 --> 1:23:39.680 he's at right now, but I see Scott about once 1:23:39.680 --> 1:23:41.519 a year. He comes to Las Vegas. We usually have 1:23:41.600 --> 1:23:45.320 lunch or dinner together. Terrific guy. Anyway, he would help 1:23:45.320 --> 1:23:46.640 me and we go through all the numbers and it 1:23:46.720 --> 1:23:50.000 was really a chore to put these things together. So 1:23:50.560 --> 1:23:52.880 guys wanted me. Uh, so I was doing to this 1:23:53.040 --> 1:23:57.320 county Neva. There was some cross ownership with another hotel 1:23:57.360 --> 1:24:00.759 casino down uh, just down the street called Calm Stock, 1:24:01.280 --> 1:24:03.679 And like I said, there's some cross ownership including Warren 1:24:03.680 --> 1:24:05.479 Nelson on the little piece of that. He said, but 1:24:05.680 --> 1:24:08.519 would you help these guys get their sports book up 1:24:08.520 --> 1:24:10.760 and running and that sort of thing, and kind of 1:24:10.800 --> 1:24:13.200 advised them. I'm sure I would have done anything for Warren. 1:24:13.280 --> 1:24:15.360 So I did it. I get him up and running. 1:24:15.360 --> 1:24:18.200 So they get some guy and you know, we still 1:24:18.200 --> 1:24:21.320 see this today. You know, oh it's a sports book. Well, 1:24:21.360 --> 1:24:24.200 this guy is a sports fan, he reads the sports page. 1:24:24.400 --> 1:24:26.639 We'll put him in charge and then he just gets 1:24:26.680 --> 1:24:28.679 the line and you know, people come in and bed 1:24:28.720 --> 1:24:30.800 and we'll just make a ton of money. It'll be 1:24:30.840 --> 1:24:33.400 just like the slot machines. Well, you know, obviously doesn't 1:24:33.439 --> 1:24:35.920 work that way. So I put this guy in and 1:24:35.920 --> 1:24:39.120 he was like about as green as you could ever 1:24:39.160 --> 1:24:43.280 get out of a guy, a nice guy I'll call Lewis. 1:24:43.400 --> 1:24:47.439 Lewis would come in and he started calling me like everything, 1:24:47.920 --> 1:24:50.080 you know, time and time again, calling me, calling me, 1:24:50.160 --> 1:24:53.800 call me, says listen, Louis, I'm running to Caldela. I'm 1:24:53.840 --> 1:24:56.800 not running the calm stock. You you have to stand 1:24:56.800 --> 1:24:58.479 on your own two feet and sometimes but I'll tell 1:24:58.479 --> 1:25:01.280 you what to do. Call row Sea Rocks. Bro Roxy 1:25:01.360 --> 1:25:03.640 was just getting his business off the ground, you know, 1:25:03.720 --> 1:25:08.280 consulting with sports boots around the state, called Roxy, Roxborow. 1:25:08.320 --> 1:25:11.080 He'll help you, Okay. So Roxy calls and Roxy starts 1:25:11.080 --> 1:25:13.120 giving him the line every day and all that he 1:25:13.160 --> 1:25:15.000 wants to do parley cards, just like we did at 1:25:15.040 --> 1:25:18.720 County EVA. So Roxy tells him, okay, here's here's what 1:25:18.840 --> 1:25:20.920 you do for the parley cards, you know. And this 1:25:21.080 --> 1:25:23.880 was like towards the end of the football season, so 1:25:23.920 --> 1:25:25.600 I'm not sure he had basketball on the card, and 1:25:25.720 --> 1:25:28.200 he might have, but I'm not sure. But Roxy giving 1:25:28.240 --> 1:25:30.160 him the football line. Here's what he used on the cards. 1:25:30.680 --> 1:25:33.240 And so Lewis asked, all what about teaser cars? And 1:25:33.560 --> 1:25:35.559 Roxy as well, you know, he just you know, move 1:25:35.680 --> 1:25:38.240 six points each way off the line. So you know, 1:25:38.320 --> 1:25:41.800 he explained it to him and okay, okay, Now at 1:25:41.840 --> 1:25:46.479 that time, if folks my age, remember we had ties 1:25:46.600 --> 1:25:49.559 in hockey. So if you use the game on the 1:25:49.600 --> 1:25:52.160 parlor card as a half, I mean that was a 1:25:52.240 --> 1:25:55.559 legitimate line you know you won't see that today naturally, 1:25:55.560 --> 1:25:58.200 because every game does not end in a time. But 1:25:58.280 --> 1:26:00.360 if he used the game minus a half, used like 1:26:00.400 --> 1:26:02.760 the home team two equal teams, the home team would 1:26:02.800 --> 1:26:05.200 be minus a half. So Roxy gets a couple of 1:26:05.240 --> 1:26:07.680 hockey games, like four or five hockey games put on 1:26:07.720 --> 1:26:11.559 the card minus a half. So anyway card goes out, 1:26:11.720 --> 1:26:14.559 Roxy's calling him now it's like the card I guess 1:26:14.600 --> 1:26:17.040 went out, like on Wednesday or whatever. Roxy calls him 1:26:17.080 --> 1:26:21.040 on Thursday, Lewis, how's everything going. All these teaser cards 1:26:21.120 --> 1:26:24.559 are the greatest thing in the world. Right then, Roxy 1:26:24.600 --> 1:26:28.639 knows teaser cards are not the greatest thing in the world. 1:26:30.360 --> 1:26:32.920 Rocky says, what do you mean, what are you talking about? 1:26:32.920 --> 1:26:35.679 Because I'm getting so much action on these teaser cards 1:26:35.680 --> 1:26:40.320 you can't believe it. Right then, Roxy knows, uh, something 1:26:40.439 --> 1:26:44.080 is wrong. Well, explain to me, you know where, he says, Well, 1:26:44.200 --> 1:26:46.200 you know, he starts getting much. But here's the ones 1:26:46.240 --> 1:26:49.200 I'm getting all the action on. I'm getting two way 1:26:49.240 --> 1:26:52.400 action on these teaser cards on all these hockey games. 1:26:52.439 --> 1:26:57.160 This is unbelievable, said he got to be Kidney hockey 1:26:57.200 --> 1:27:00.240 games on the team card. He says, yeah, I just 1:27:00.320 --> 1:27:05.240 added six points to each side. Get you get the 1:27:05.320 --> 1:27:08.200 home team plus five and a half, and you were 1:27:08.200 --> 1:27:10.599 getting the building plus six and a half. These are 1:27:10.640 --> 1:27:14.640 all you know, essentially pick them games. You can't do that. 1:27:15.600 --> 1:27:17.519 I've got a ton of action, but I'm getting rock 1:27:17.600 --> 1:27:22.360 and getting two way actions. Those you understand you're gonna 1:27:22.439 --> 1:27:25.800 lose both sides. He says, you have to stop the card. 1:27:25.880 --> 1:27:29.720 You have to end there right there. So so he 1:27:29.840 --> 1:27:32.720 explained it to him, Lewis, I don't know to this 1:27:32.800 --> 1:27:35.200 day be going up. Well, he understood once the figures 1:27:35.240 --> 1:27:41.000 came in, needless of saying. They got annihilated that week 1:27:41.520 --> 1:27:45.320 on their parlay cards onto teaser cards, and uh, the 1:27:45.400 --> 1:27:48.160 sports book didn't last long after this. I think it 1:27:48.240 --> 1:27:51.640 might have closed right after that weekend. And they finally realized, no, 1:27:51.840 --> 1:27:54.880 you just can't put in some rummy and just figure 1:27:54.960 --> 1:27:58.240 everything's gonna be just fine. Pep were just gonna come 1:27:58.280 --> 1:28:00.599 in and blow their money. But you know, that was 1:28:00.640 --> 1:28:04.400 one of those deals where you put in totally a 1:28:04.439 --> 1:28:07.400 guy who's green is grass, and that's when happened. So 1:28:07.920 --> 1:28:11.240 you are you telling us and even the other yeah, 1:28:11.240 --> 1:28:15.040 go ahead, probably the Dave Cooke and he just eat 1:28:15.080 --> 1:28:18.840 texted me together. Yes, I gotta ask whatever that was. 1:28:18.880 --> 1:28:21.479 His favorite story in the book was the hockey teasers. 1:28:21.560 --> 1:28:25.160 Whatever happened, Well, big lasts long. Maybe let's just say 1:28:25.160 --> 1:28:27.680 he's not in the business anymore. So when all of 1:28:27.720 --> 1:28:29.840 this is, when all of this has passed, when the 1:28:29.880 --> 1:28:36.400 coronavirus curve, uh finally uh peters out and we're all 1:28:36.439 --> 1:28:39.160 past this, a sports are being played again. And if 1:28:39.160 --> 1:28:41.439 hockey comes back, are you suggesting that you will not 1:28:41.560 --> 1:28:43.960 do a hockey teaser promotion the first weekend? You're not 1:28:44.000 --> 1:28:46.760 doing that for us? No, nothing like that. I'm not 1:28:46.800 --> 1:28:49.120 gonna do that. No. And it was one of those 1:28:49.160 --> 1:28:50.720 I looked every once in a while when I see 1:28:50.720 --> 1:28:55.240 a blowout. Oh the team watched by seven one of 1:28:55.280 --> 1:28:57.360 the games, and every game was like three to two 1:28:57.360 --> 1:29:01.479 of that week. You know, uh, we have we have 1:29:01.560 --> 1:29:06.240 four minutes left being that. Oh my god, I can't 1:29:06.240 --> 1:29:08.040 believe we take so much time. Comes, I'll tell you 1:29:08.040 --> 1:29:11.960 another quick one involving Rocky. You know Rocky Uh back 1:29:11.960 --> 1:29:15.839 in the day. This is uh the Ivy League totals. 1:29:15.880 --> 1:29:18.240 He didn't tell this story the other day, did he? No? 1:29:18.320 --> 1:29:21.639 He did not. I love this one, Okay, So Rocky 1:29:21.720 --> 1:29:24.160 was servicing a guy this again back way back in 1:29:24.200 --> 1:29:27.880 the day. And uh, this was during the NBA All 1:29:27.920 --> 1:29:31.120 Star weekend. So it's Friday, and guys don't realize now 1:29:31.200 --> 1:29:34.680 like on Friday's back then, all you had was that's 1:29:34.720 --> 1:29:38.160 the only teams that played on Friday. So guy, you know, 1:29:38.560 --> 1:29:41.200 guy Rocky the service and a bookmaker, I think in 1:29:41.240 --> 1:29:44.880 South Carolina. And uh, and I said, Rocks, I want 1:29:44.880 --> 1:29:47.200 to have totals on the Ivy League games. There's nothing 1:29:47.200 --> 1:29:49.360 to bet on all it got four Ivy League games 1:29:49.360 --> 1:29:51.880 in that I don't want to give you totals. They're 1:29:51.920 --> 1:29:54.920 gonna be bad. So right, it was finally convinced, Right, 1:29:55.040 --> 1:29:57.360 is there Art, I'll give you the totals, but I'm 1:29:57.360 --> 1:29:59.400 telling you right now don't take any more in a 1:29:59.439 --> 1:30:01.600 couple hundred bucks on them. I'm making the totals, and 1:30:01.640 --> 1:30:03.679 I'm telling you they're not going to be that good. 1:30:04.680 --> 1:30:08.479 So I said, this is long before the shot clock. Yeah, 1:30:09.200 --> 1:30:11.679 a lot a bunch of white guys shooting set shops. 1:30:11.680 --> 1:30:14.120 But it wasn't too far removed from that. So that's 1:30:14.120 --> 1:30:19.320 the way was back then. You know, the Rocky getting 1:30:19.320 --> 1:30:24.559 them the numbers. You know, Okay, Cornell nine seven. Uh, 1:30:24.600 --> 1:30:30.439 you know Harvard eighty six and a half, Penn two 1:30:31.600 --> 1:30:38.080 and Dartmouth you know ninety three? Okay a guy, right, Okay, 1:30:38.080 --> 1:30:41.160 this is great. So Roxy giving them from me in 1:30:41.160 --> 1:30:43.800 the morning, you know, Roxy Colson in that afternoon. Hey, 1:30:43.840 --> 1:30:47.479 how's it going. How's those IVY League Coast? Oh my god? 1:30:47.520 --> 1:30:50.719 These are so great. It's unbelievable. How much action I'm getting. 1:30:52.160 --> 1:30:59.519 And again the Rocky click, something's wrong here? What he says, Well, 1:31:00.000 --> 1:31:02.880 told me, tell me, like, what kind of action you guys? 1:31:02.960 --> 1:31:04.680 And I can't remember the numbers I just made up 1:31:04.680 --> 1:31:06.479 and gave me. Says Oh yeah, Well I'm getting like 1:31:06.520 --> 1:31:09.960 the printing game under one nineties seven. I'm all the 1:31:09.960 --> 1:31:14.439 way down the under one sixty on for my I 1:31:14.479 --> 1:31:17.639 didn't tell you nineties. I didn't tell one ninety seven. 1:31:17.960 --> 1:31:23.519 I told you nineties seven. You're kidding me. I'm not always. 1:31:23.800 --> 1:31:25.720 I mean I'm trying to. Hey, and Roxy's like, you 1:31:25.800 --> 1:31:29.160 gotta have you never paid attention a basketball in your life? 1:31:30.200 --> 1:31:34.719 A private booman? You tell him nighties seven he's doing 1:31:34.760 --> 1:31:38.720 a one nine seven. Well say he locked every one 1:31:38.720 --> 1:31:41.120 of those games too. I don't know how he paid 1:31:41.160 --> 1:31:44.200 everybody off or seven with all these guys, and uh 1:31:44.360 --> 1:31:46.599 he was out of business the next week too. So 1:31:47.040 --> 1:31:49.240 those are a couple of stories and adventures and bad 1:31:49.240 --> 1:31:51.880 books making. We have a lot more than we can't 1:31:51.880 --> 1:31:55.000 get to you today, and uh, you know it always 1:31:55.160 --> 1:31:57.800 take a little longer than I thought. No, no, no, 1:31:57.840 --> 1:31:59.680 I mean that's okay. We love we love hearing him. 1:31:59.720 --> 1:32:01.960 I think the next time, whenever we decided to do 1:32:02.000 --> 1:32:04.280 this again, and we could do it, you know, short 1:32:04.400 --> 1:32:07.519 term these days, for sure, we can do it soon. Um, 1:32:07.600 --> 1:32:10.479 we should just do the Adventures in Bad Bookmaking to 1:32:10.520 --> 1:32:12.800 start with and see how long that goes, because I 1:32:12.840 --> 1:32:15.880 think that's fascinating people. And you have a special subsection 1:32:15.880 --> 1:32:22.880 that could be its own category, specifically with adventures in making. Yeah, yeah, 1:32:23.200 --> 1:32:32.599 we'll say yeah, and and and to this special that's awesome, 1:32:33.040 --> 1:32:35.559 uh you know, and it's funny to this day, Chris. 1:32:35.880 --> 1:32:38.720 And it doesn't happen that often, but I would say 1:32:38.880 --> 1:32:42.160 once every four to six months, I'll get a hockey 1:32:42.200 --> 1:32:46.240 teaser tweet like that story lingered in people's minds. Yeah, 1:32:46.400 --> 1:32:49.560 I'll still talk about that. Um, I appreciate it. The 1:32:49.640 --> 1:32:52.040 name of the book again. Then one day Adventures in 1:32:52.040 --> 1:32:54.920 Bad bookmaking Chris, stay safe. Don't let me hear that 1:32:55.400 --> 1:32:57.880 you're back in a casino through a back entrance. Okay, 1:32:59.120 --> 1:33:00.960 it's gonna be a lot, it's gonna be a while. 1:33:01.080 --> 1:33:03.880 I can tell you that, alright, man, have a great day. 1:33:03.880 --> 1:33:06.519 Stay safe again, Chris on Twitter. By the way, at 1:33:06.920 --> 1:33:11.599 Andrew's Sports, the beloved Chrissie, Andrew's kind enough to join 1:33:11.680 --> 1:33:13.479 us for another couple of hours right here on a 1:33:13.600 --> 1:33:15.840 numbers game at Visa in these sports betting network hope 1:33:15.840 --> 1:33:20.759 it serves as a distraction for you in these very strange, 1:33:20.840 --> 1:33:24.000 uncertain times. Enjoy your day, Stay safe with you and 1:33:24.000 --> 1:33:24.559 your loved ones.