WEBVTT - This Got REALLY Emotional! (First Time On The Podcast)

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<v Speaker 1>Good night. I don't know where this came from. Sorry, Paul, Sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, oh Man, Kurt, I hope that I.

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<v Speaker 1>Left you eight Okay, place to cut and good night.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry man.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be honest with you, Burns. I don't think we

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<v Speaker 2>have to cut. Welcome back to the podcast. Y'all. Interesting

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<v Speaker 2>podcast today, don't I don't think you know this, Bernie,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is January twenty second is the day this

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<v Speaker 2>comes out. And this is episode too twenty two. WHOA

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of two's going on in today's episode two

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<v Speaker 2>to two with two people on one two with two people. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Bernie Calcut, one of my favorite guests, probably my original guest.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. You've been on more than anybody combined.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And what we do here, man, we just answer your questions.

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<v Speaker 2>You email podcast at grangersmith dot com ask anything. And

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. As we're recording this, after we finished,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to go to lunch and so this literally

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast is like you go to lunch with us, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and you say, hey, guys, did I run something by you?

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<v Speaker 2>Because that's what we're going to do at lunch today. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>no doubt right, So email podcast at grangersmith dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to get right to it. The first question

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<v Speaker 2>comes from Ethan. It says, hello, sir, my name is

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<v Speaker 2>Ethan from Michigan. I'm finishing up my last semester of

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<v Speaker 2>college and I'm getting a degree in welding engineering technology

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<v Speaker 2>and accept at a full time job as a welding

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<v Speaker 2>engineer for John Deere, my dream job since I was

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen years old. But I lost my dad unexpectedly in

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<v Speaker 2>April of twenty twenty from an aneurysm, leaving me my

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<v Speaker 2>mother and my three younger siblings, two boys and the

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<v Speaker 2>youngest a girl. As I prepare to move eight hours

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<v Speaker 2>of way way, I struggle with how much of the

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<v Speaker 2>father figure leadership role I'm supposed to take on and

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<v Speaker 2>whether or not I should be staying close to my family.

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<v Speaker 2>I love what you're doing and I look up to

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<v Speaker 2>you as a role model. Thanks for taking time to

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<v Speaker 2>read this. If you could send me the podcast number

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<v Speaker 2>if this is read, that would be awesome so that

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<v Speaker 2>I don't miss it. Thank you, Ethan. Yeah, episode two

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<v Speaker 2>too too. Okay, I think I think my man Ethan

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<v Speaker 2>emailed the right crew here. Yeah. Wow, that's we could

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<v Speaker 2>I could definitely feel this. I know Burns can actually Paul,

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<v Speaker 2>the guy that edits this, he lost his dad just

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<v Speaker 2>a few weeks ago. So this is the fraternity that

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<v Speaker 2>nobody wants to enter, but most of us eventually do

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<v Speaker 2>losing your dad and then, like Ethan, a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>us will go through this type idea. And whether or

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<v Speaker 2>not it's exactly like Ethan where you're you're wanting to

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<v Speaker 2>fill in a void with your parents or with your

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<v Speaker 2>mother and your siblings, it could also come in the

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<v Speaker 2>form of probably what you feel, and I feel, how

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<v Speaker 2>do I raise my kids without a grandpa and in

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<v Speaker 2>a way that I could kind of fill that void

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<v Speaker 2>that a grandpa would fill. And the answer is you can't.

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<v Speaker 2>But we still try to think, you know, like my

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<v Speaker 2>kids on my side, not Amber side, but my side,

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<v Speaker 2>my kids have never known a grandpa. My dad died

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<v Speaker 2>when London was two, And how often have I thought, ma'am,

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<v Speaker 2>dad would have made a good grandpa, Like Dad would

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<v Speaker 2>have taught them this about fishing. Our dad would have

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<v Speaker 2>been really good at throwing the ball in the yard.

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<v Speaker 2>And now I'm stuck in the grandpa mode and that's

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<v Speaker 2>a wrong thinking. Yeah, that's just naturally what we think. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>when my dad died, Parker, my youngest brother was man,

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<v Speaker 2>he was like nineteen, I think he was nineteen or twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>and so that was a it was a different he

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<v Speaker 2>was in a different place than I was. He was

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<v Speaker 2>in college. He was like Ethan here right, he was

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<v Speaker 2>just like you. And that hits harder for that, for

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<v Speaker 2>that age group, for that, For what you're doing, Ethan,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel you, and Parker could feel you for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you, being the oldest, probably have a different perspective

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<v Speaker 3>for Ethan than I would have. I was the youngest,

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<v Speaker 3>I was not as young as his sibling, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>his youngest sibling. But how did you net because I

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<v Speaker 3>think part of his question is, and Ethan, I'm so sorry, man,

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<v Speaker 3>this is a it's a tough thing to lose a day.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a tough thing then to carry the burden of

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<v Speaker 3>being a father figure. How how did you And I

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<v Speaker 3>know that you weren't trying to feel that for Tyler

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<v Speaker 3>or Parker, but how did you, as the oldest, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>lead them through the grieving process and just the leadership

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<v Speaker 3>of the family from you know, a man's point at

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<v Speaker 3>After that.

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<v Speaker 2>I for sure felt that, and I feel what Ethan

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<v Speaker 2>Is is talking about here is you know, as I

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<v Speaker 2>lost my dad, I thought, man, I'm the oldest male

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<v Speaker 2>in this immediate family now, and and it's it's an

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<v Speaker 2>unnecessary burden that you'll put on yourself. It's just not

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<v Speaker 2>needed because you're you're not your dad, and you're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to fill the role for your mom of your

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<v Speaker 2>dad or for your siblings. You're you're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>fill that role. And so you really want to come

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<v Speaker 2>alongside your mom and encourage her and help her with

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<v Speaker 2>all the the new things that she has to deal

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<v Speaker 2>with as a widow. And this happened in twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>so there's been some time to go by here too,

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<v Speaker 2>and so there is a level maybe could help me

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<v Speaker 2>with this, Bernie, but there is there is a time

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<v Speaker 2>for being there for your mom in her grief, and

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<v Speaker 2>then there's a time to say, okay, but I also

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<v Speaker 2>need to move forward with this job with John Deere.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what dad would want me to do, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>it would be probably unhealthy if I gave up everything

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<v Speaker 2>to be with mom and my siblings to fill a

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<v Speaker 2>spot that I can't even fill anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, I think the communication with your mom is going

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<v Speaker 3>to be huge. Just understand, I mean it probably has

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<v Speaker 3>been at this point. This has been three years ago,

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<v Speaker 3>so Ethan, we'd love for you to write back in

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<v Speaker 3>maybe fill us in of where you are.

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<v Speaker 1>And what's happened.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is a new email.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, yeah, this but it happened in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, he's just now preparing to move eight hours away. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's probably time me too. I think you've

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<v Speaker 3>probably had communication with your mom. I feel like there's

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<v Speaker 3>because you more than being a father figure and filling

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<v Speaker 3>that role, you're a role model either way. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 3>there's people out there probably listening who maybe they haven't

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<v Speaker 3>their father didn't pass away, but he's been absent and

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<v Speaker 3>they've had a sibling that's had to step in and

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<v Speaker 3>just be a role model. Maybe it's not a father figure,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's someone that can help by the way that

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<v Speaker 3>they live.

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<v Speaker 1>Be an example.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, when you go to college and you work hard

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<v Speaker 3>and you study something, and then you have this opportunity,

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<v Speaker 3>you pray about it, and if the door continues to open,

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<v Speaker 3>even though you have to leave some things behind that

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<v Speaker 3>you love, you go for it.

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<v Speaker 1>You go I think that that could be.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously he doesn't mention a lot about his dad's character,

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<v Speaker 3>but that could have been who his dad want, like

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<v Speaker 3>you said, wanted him to be and wanted you're going to,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, show that example to your siblings. If your

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<v Speaker 3>mom is in a good place. There's just a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of questions I'd have for Ethan. But if the question

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<v Speaker 3>is do I go pursue this this work that even

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<v Speaker 3>though it takes me a little bit away, I think

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<v Speaker 3>you do.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you do that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you stay in communication and everything can be

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<v Speaker 3>for season, you know, if you if you take it

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<v Speaker 3>and you move and you're like, man, there's there's things

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<v Speaker 3>happening that I feel like my family needs me. Think

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<v Speaker 3>you're not committing, You're not committing your life to live there.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that's really good because Ethan, you could be

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<v Speaker 2>giving your mom a huge gift by taking yourself out

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<v Speaker 2>of the situation as at an appropriate time. Four years

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<v Speaker 2>is an appropriate time, So you remove yourself from maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you're a crutch to her, you know, like maybe you're

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<v Speaker 2>you're providing something that she's leaning on that's inhibiting her

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<v Speaker 2>from moving forward and continuing on with her life. Her

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<v Speaker 2>next phase of her life. Maybe you're doing the same

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<v Speaker 2>thing for your siblings. So what you think you're adding

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<v Speaker 2>to the family, maybe you're actually hurting with possibly. And

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<v Speaker 2>then the flip side of that is, if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>take this job at John Deere, you will think about

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<v Speaker 2>it for the rest of your life. Yeah, you've been

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<v Speaker 2>dreaming about it since you were thirteen.

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<v Speaker 3>You're going to wonder what if the fact ethan that

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<v Speaker 3>you're writing in this question and this is weighing on

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<v Speaker 3>your heart whether I should go. I really care about

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<v Speaker 3>my family. It tells me for the last three years

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<v Speaker 3>you've probably been doing everything that you needed to do boom,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's probably time to give everybody some space and

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<v Speaker 3>be the example that your dad would probably want you

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<v Speaker 3>to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Man Love it yep. Next question comes from Sam says, Hey, Granger,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm currently enrolled in a seminary and an elder in

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<v Speaker 2>my church. When writing sermons, it seems like a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of pastors just reuse information, example, quoting a book that's

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<v Speaker 2>not the Bible and using other people's information. Any advice

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<v Speaker 2>on how to start thinking on my own, almost so

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<v Speaker 2>I could give fresh looks into the Word of God.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope this makes sense. Appreciate you, Sam, okay man.

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<v Speaker 2>I was not expecting this kind of question.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't write any sermons, so I'm gonna let you

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<v Speaker 3>say this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Sam. It's really critical though, that we do

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<v Speaker 2>talk through this. It's a good question, and I'm so

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<v Speaker 2>glad you ask them. So God burns here is here

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<v Speaker 2>because it's really critical because you don't need to give

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<v Speaker 2>fresh looks into the living Word of God. You don't.

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<v Speaker 2>That is that is the cultural pulling in you. That

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<v Speaker 2>is what society tells you you should do. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>you see on Instagram. But you don't need to. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>it's dangerous if you do, if you try to give

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<v Speaker 2>a fresh look into you. This is your words. By

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<v Speaker 2>the way, how could I give a fresh look into

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<v Speaker 2>the living Word of God? If it's a living word

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<v Speaker 2>of God, it doesn't need a fresh look. It is

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<v Speaker 2>the truth already. And so so what do I do

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<v Speaker 2>with this information? Well, as you start teaching or preaching,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess that's what you're asking here. You preach expositionally,

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<v Speaker 2>meaning you work through the Bible itself and your trust

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<v Speaker 2>that the Word is going to not come back void,

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<v Speaker 2>so you'll you'll decide, well, okay, let me put it.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me put it in my shoes. For example, because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a pastor. If you were a pastor, you'd

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<v Speaker 2>work through. You'd stay like, Hey, we're going to work

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<v Speaker 2>through the Book of Luke, and it's going to take

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<v Speaker 2>us thirty weeks, thirty sundays, and we're going to work

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<v Speaker 2>through Luke. And I do what I do when I

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<v Speaker 2>go out and preach on a Sunday, like at a church,

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<v Speaker 2>not not a conference. That's a little different. But when

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<v Speaker 2>I go on a Sunday to a church, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to use a text and I'm gonna exegete

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<v Speaker 2>that text. Bernie and I've been doing this for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time. Is Bernie will be like, hey, I want

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<v Speaker 2>you to meditate on James one or something. But I'll

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<v Speaker 2>look at a text, read the text, talk about the text,

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<v Speaker 2>the historical context of the text to the to the crowd,

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<v Speaker 2>and then walk through it line by line, giving the

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<v Speaker 2>giving in the congregation the hears what the context that

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<v Speaker 2>the author intended it to be. So you're looking you're

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<v Speaker 2>looking at the world, at your congregation through the lens

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<v Speaker 2>of the text, as opposed to what you're saying, Look

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<v Speaker 2>at the text with the lens of the world, the

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<v Speaker 2>fresh look of the world into the text. Don't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where you're That's where it becomes dangerous. Instead, look

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<v Speaker 2>through the text at the world. So you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>read the text in the context of the way it

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<v Speaker 2>was supposed to be read and heard. Explain what the

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<v Speaker 2>author's intent was in the text. And then after you

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<v Speaker 2>do that, then you could start applying it to the

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<v Speaker 2>modern hearer. After you've exegeted the text, then you apply

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<v Speaker 2>it to the modern congregation. The fresh we'll use it there.

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<v Speaker 2>The freshness comes after the text, not before that. Not

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<v Speaker 2>only is that important to hear for you, but man,

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<v Speaker 2>it's so relieving. Like you don't have to write a

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<v Speaker 2>new tech talk every week. You don't have to come

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<v Speaker 2>up with the fresh new series on relationships or on

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<v Speaker 2>heartache or loss, or finances or prayer. You don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to think of a new series. You just go our

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<v Speaker 2>series and it could be one of those aspects I

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<v Speaker 2>just said as the application in the text in the

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<v Speaker 2>Book of Luke that you're working through.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, it just.

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<v Speaker 2>Clears your plate. It makes life so much easier for you.

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<v Speaker 2>And what I believe you're more faithful to the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>When you do that, you're just walking through You're walking

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<v Speaker 2>through Hebrews, you're walking through Luke, you're walking through First Samuel.

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<v Speaker 2>You could decide that with the other elders and something

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<v Speaker 2>neat that you might be able to do is go

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<v Speaker 2>Old Testament and then the next series is the New

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<v Speaker 2>Testament book, and then you go back to the Old

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<v Speaker 2>Testament book, but you're working through the text and the

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<v Speaker 2>way the author wanted you to hear it, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>presenting that to the crowd and then applying it to

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<v Speaker 2>their life in a fresh way that after right, I

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<v Speaker 2>hope that makes sense, brother, But I'm encouraged. I'm encourage

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<v Speaker 2>Smith and find me. Next question comes from Anonymous, says

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sixteen. I'm from Texas. Really love your book and

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<v Speaker 2>your podcast. Your story is incredible. Recently found out that

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<v Speaker 2>the one person I trusted and loved the most lied

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<v Speaker 2>about something for a year. I had to find out

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<v Speaker 2>from someone else. I've been asked if I'll ever be

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<v Speaker 2>able to forgive. I've prayed about it, and I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>to forgive because I know it's the right thing to do,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't know exactly how. This hurts me a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>and I won't be able to forget this pain. What

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<v Speaker 2>does it mean to forgive? How can I forgive? I'm

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<v Speaker 2>smiling because this is the most like anonymous no information

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<v Speaker 2>kind of email. Yeah, that you could possibly write.

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<v Speaker 3>But from somebody that's sixteen. I guarantee I wasn't asking nobody.

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<v Speaker 3>Now do I forgive? What does it mean to forgive?

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<v Speaker 1>At sixteen? So who to you? Anonymous?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>That's amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>I think your thoughts that you could share that have

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<v Speaker 3>been really helpful' listen to you in the past from

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<v Speaker 3>you about the difference between trust and forgiveness.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, when you're sixteen, this is hard, man, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean it's hard when you're our age. And let me say,

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<v Speaker 2>let me reread what you said. You said, I found

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<v Speaker 2>out that the one person I trusted and loved the

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<v Speaker 2>most lied. Okay, So you might be thinking, to Bernie's point,

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<v Speaker 2>you might be thinking, I can't forgive them because they

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<v Speaker 2>broke my trust. And I want to encourage you that

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<v Speaker 2>the trust and forgiveness aren't the same thing, and they

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<v Speaker 2>don't have to exist together at all, And same with agreement.

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<v Speaker 2>You could forgive someone and not agree with them. You

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<v Speaker 2>could forgive someone and not trust them. So maybe just

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<v Speaker 2>separating those ideas first of all would be helpful for you.

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<v Speaker 2>And remember this also, forgiveness doesn't require a certain response

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<v Speaker 2>from them, It doesn't require reconciliation of the problem itself.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a heart posture that we take to forgive.

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<v Speaker 2>So to say, whatever this person did, and it's bad

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<v Speaker 2>because you had to email this podcast, that's how bad

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<v Speaker 2>it is. To forgive is your heart posture. Now here's

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<v Speaker 2>the problem. This is the problem with forgiveness. It is

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<v Speaker 2>a heart posture towards that other person. But our heart

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<v Speaker 2>is stubborn and doesn't want to do it, and so

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<v Speaker 2>we start with our mind. And what I'm telling you

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<v Speaker 2>here is just things that I've tried to collect my

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<v Speaker 2>thoughts about, because it's not like there is no facts

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<v Speaker 2>about this, So don't think that I'm telling you facts here.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just telling you the way I've collected this idea.

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<v Speaker 2>We take our mind and we we make a decision,

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<v Speaker 2>similar to love. We make a decision I will forgive

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<v Speaker 2>this person, and then our hearts kicks and screams as

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<v Speaker 2>our mind is dragging it along the dirt road.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to forgive, no way.

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<v Speaker 2>They lied to me, and your mind says you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to trust them, and they go, but I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like them.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have to agree with them, but you will

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<v Speaker 2>forgive them. That's what we're doing. We're gonna forgive. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I have found that when you take captive your thoughts,

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<v Speaker 2>like the Bible says, your your heart will catch up

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<v Speaker 2>and your heart will eventually set aflame the idea why

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<v Speaker 2>because forgiveness is biblical. We're told to forgive. Why not

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<v Speaker 2>so that it causes us pain or friction, because eventually

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<v Speaker 2>we rest in that and we go, oh yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 2>that person lied to me and I don't trust them.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's Okay, forget I forgive them what they did.

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<v Speaker 2>There's consequences to what they did. I'm not gonna follow

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<v Speaker 2>this path anymore, but I forgive them, and there's healing

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<v Speaker 2>in that for us.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've like you probably have had people who have

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<v Speaker 3>done what has happened to Anonymous, have really just hurt

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<v Speaker 3>me in some way, broken my trust, you know, incredibly.

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<v Speaker 1>And what I found with forgiveness.

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<v Speaker 3>Like love, is it is not something you do once,

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<v Speaker 3>because I will if I'm honest, I'll find my heart

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<v Speaker 3>in a posture sometimes of like, man, I think I've

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<v Speaker 3>talked about this before, like grace being the front door

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<v Speaker 3>to the house of gratitude, and like.

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<v Speaker 1>I will get to that place.

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<v Speaker 3>But then like a week later, if I'm honest, my

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<v Speaker 3>heart is like I don't want to forgive them. It

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<v Speaker 3>comes back again because I'll go back into that pain.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll feel that again, and I have to, like you said,

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<v Speaker 3>make that decision and I'll go back to the word

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<v Speaker 3>that is living in me and saying no, I forgive them.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm letting that go. I'm not holding on to that.

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<v Speaker 3>And so just an encouragement, like if you get to

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<v Speaker 3>a place in your heart where you feel like I

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<v Speaker 3>can forgive them, and then the next week you're like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to forgive them. It's natural, but it

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<v Speaker 3>is like a decision and a heart posture that you

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<v Speaker 3>may have to just continually work through.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. You know, as you're talking, I was thinking that

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes people will email me or DM me or something

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<v Speaker 2>and they'll get mad at me at a question like

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<v Speaker 2>this for not preaching the gospel. You know. It's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't really forgive until you know that you've been forgiven.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll get that. I'll get that.

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<v Speaker 3>People people will email you mad that you didn't like

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<v Speaker 3>that's yeah, guys, would y'all chill out on gradiar a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit? Man, Like?

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<v Speaker 2>That's just life. That's life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So so let me throw that critique to you and say,

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<v Speaker 2>Anonymous says nothing about God or anything. Can can anonymous

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<v Speaker 2>be a non believer and wholeheartedly forgive or does it? Should?

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<v Speaker 2>It require a deeper understanding. I'll just throw that at you.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no, I don't that's a difficult one. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think so.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you've used a term before, and I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>sure what it is, but it's like I know from

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<v Speaker 3>experience people who have been hurt and they genuinely and

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<v Speaker 3>I've been in close relationship with these people, they have

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<v Speaker 3>forgiven and you you see them live with a sense

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<v Speaker 3>of you know, contentment and forgiveness.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's real life. I know that. You know, super

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<v Speaker 1>churchy people would love to be.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, well, you gotta know Jesus to really.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't know love, you can't know forgiveness, you can't

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<v Speaker 2>know peace, you can't know joy, you can't no hope.

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<v Speaker 2>I get it, I get it. But yeah, but we're

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<v Speaker 2>also images image bearers of God, all of us. Whether

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<v Speaker 2>we reject God or love God, we are image bearers

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<v Speaker 2>of Him and we carry these attributes in us in

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<v Speaker 2>this life here on earth right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So to your question though, to have to be

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<v Speaker 3>able to do that, I think so to have a

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<v Speaker 3>deeper understanding of what forgiveness is a picture of and

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<v Speaker 3>an ultimate picture of. Of course they're not, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they wouldn't understand that because they don't believe it. That's

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<v Speaker 3>not their faith claim.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's good. That's a good I like it to.

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<v Speaker 2>All the hate is up there. Next question comes from

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<v Speaker 2>Kurt says, Hey, Granger, a friend recommended your podcast to

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<v Speaker 2>me a couple months ago, and I've enjoyed listening to

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<v Speaker 2>it ever since. Thank you for all you do. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two years old and I'm currently finishing up my MBA. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>I have two potential job offers for after school. One

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<v Speaker 2>position is a good paying management position at a reputable company,

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<v Speaker 2>but the other position is a loose a youth ministry

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<v Speaker 2>position at a church. I'm struggling with the decision because

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<v Speaker 2>i want to glorify God in my work and make

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<v Speaker 2>an impact on the world around me, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what that would look like in the business world.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe God will use me no matter what path

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<v Speaker 2>I take, but I'm currently trying to figure out which

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<v Speaker 2>way to go. I have tried to pursue godly counsel

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<v Speaker 2>and guidance, but I still feel like I'm wrestling with

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<v Speaker 2>the decision. Any advice or wisdom would be greatly appreciated.

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<v Speaker 2>It says just a country boy from Michigan, Kurt. Okay,

0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:03.280
<v Speaker 2>heavy one here, not a heavy one. It's it's worth

0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:06.920
<v Speaker 2>discussing here. I'll say it that way. First of all, Kurt,

0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:09.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna say outside looking in you, you, me

0:27:09.520 --> 0:27:14.840
<v Speaker 2>and Bernie were riding together and you drop this honest

0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:17.159
<v Speaker 2>and say, we've known you for a little bit and

0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:21.959
<v Speaker 2>we know that you've been finishing up this NBA, we

0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:25.760
<v Speaker 2>know that you have a good paying management position at

0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:29.240
<v Speaker 2>a good company on the line here, and we're gonna

0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:35.040
<v Speaker 2>probably say here you go to youth ministry, Like I

0:27:35.080 --> 0:27:37.359
<v Speaker 2>want to dig at you like that. I want to say,

0:27:37.480 --> 0:27:41.560
<v Speaker 2>are you sure? Because the thing is, if you're truly

0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:44.600
<v Speaker 2>called to this position at church, you're gonna go. Yeah,

0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:48.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm truly sure. I am afraid about it. I can't

0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:52.040
<v Speaker 2>sleep at night. I really want to do it. I

0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:56.080
<v Speaker 2>want to be at this youth ministry position and me

0:27:56.119 --> 0:28:00.320
<v Speaker 2>and Bernie then are gonna go cool. But if you're

0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:03.680
<v Speaker 2>going which do I choose, then we're gonna go hang

0:28:03.720 --> 0:28:06.480
<v Speaker 2>on a second. Man, You've committed all this time to

0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:12.760
<v Speaker 2>this degree. And I think so many people need to

0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:19.240
<v Speaker 2>pump the brakes about ministry positions until they have really

0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:25.840
<v Speaker 2>honed in on their own heart posture to God, because

0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:30.960
<v Speaker 2>there is a there's a danger of this romantic idea

0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:35.920
<v Speaker 2>of ministry, right, Like, maybe that's the way I glorify

0:28:35.960 --> 0:28:39.600
<v Speaker 2>God better in ministry than I do in this good

0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:44.800
<v Speaker 2>company position. That's a lie right off the bat. The

0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Bible says, not everyone is called the ministry. Not all

0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:54.480
<v Speaker 2>of you should be teachers, right Like, we need people

0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:58.320
<v Speaker 2>in all positions. So you're gonna glorify God in any

0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:05.000
<v Speaker 2>position if you're glorifying God. Okay, what you got burns, oh, Man,

0:29:05.200 --> 0:29:06.960
<v Speaker 2>I know you got good influences.

0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:14.280
<v Speaker 3>What was his name, Kurt, Kurt, Yeah, Kurt, I think

0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:18.240
<v Speaker 3>there is. What Granger said, there's a huge there's a

0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:21.880
<v Speaker 3>there's a misconception that the church is the church and

0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:23.600
<v Speaker 3>if you're holy, you work in the church and you're

0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:24.720
<v Speaker 3>in ministry.

0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:27.760
<v Speaker 1>But the Bible talks about.

0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:34.800
<v Speaker 3>Pastors equipping the saints for the purpose of ministry. That's

0:29:34.880 --> 0:29:37.800
<v Speaker 3>the point of the church, guys. It's not so that

0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:43.560
<v Speaker 3>you can go and be fulfilling your you know, godly duty. No,

0:29:43.760 --> 0:29:46.440
<v Speaker 3>if you do that, you are supposed to be a

0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:50.880
<v Speaker 3>small minority of people that are there to equip the

0:29:50.920 --> 0:29:54.600
<v Speaker 3>rest of us to go into the marketplace and glorify

0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:58.600
<v Speaker 3>God through whatever sphere of influence that we are in.

0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:03.920
<v Speaker 3>So that's the first kind of like correction in the

0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:06.920
<v Speaker 3>thought process. Then the second is man and I don't know,

0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:11.280
<v Speaker 3>maybe I'm just getting old and I've been in business,

0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:15.080
<v Speaker 3>successful businesses and connected with a lot of people and

0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:19.240
<v Speaker 3>money and whatever, and man, I just I'm getting to

0:30:19.280 --> 0:30:24.000
<v Speaker 3>the point where I just want to live. Oh my gosh, Granger,

0:30:24.040 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 3>this has never happened on the podcast.

0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:28.480
<v Speaker 1>Man, I'm sorry.

0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:37.120
<v Speaker 3>I just so badly want to live a simple life.

0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:40.480
<v Speaker 3>I just want to be instead of with all these

0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:45.360
<v Speaker 3>people in these business decisions. I just want to be

0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:50.680
<v Speaker 3>with him. I just want to know him, you know,

0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:56.800
<v Speaker 3>And guys and Kurt, there's so many distractions.

0:30:57.520 --> 0:30:58.280
<v Speaker 1>In this life.

0:30:58.360 --> 0:31:02.560
<v Speaker 3>So just take Heed and the call that. Man, if

0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:04.400
<v Speaker 3>you go that route, if you even go to the

0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:08.479
<v Speaker 3>ministry route, there's gonna be so many temptations for you

0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:11.360
<v Speaker 3>just to be distracted with the work instead of the

0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:14.440
<v Speaker 3>purpose behind it and the relationship and he hearing his

0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:16.520
<v Speaker 3>voice and knowing him.

0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:20.800
<v Speaker 1>What did Jesus do more than anything?

0:31:21.880 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 3>He retreated to solitude to pray with all the crowds

0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:31.600
<v Speaker 3>that were trying to build his platform, and we would

0:31:31.640 --> 0:31:34.480
<v Speaker 3>be like, oh, yeah, that's the promotion, that's the job,

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:39.080
<v Speaker 3>that's the dream job you're thinking of, and Jesus ran

0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:44.840
<v Speaker 3>away from that. When did we get this backwards? And

0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:47.880
<v Speaker 3>I've gotten it backwards for a long time, and now

0:31:47.920 --> 0:31:50.800
<v Speaker 3>I'm just at a place where I'm like, man, God,

0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:53.520
<v Speaker 3>what do you want me to do with this?

0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:57.320
<v Speaker 1>Give it away?

0:32:00.400 --> 0:32:00.640
<v Speaker 2>Well?

0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:06.160
<v Speaker 1>Be faithful? What and And I've just learned.

0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:09.480
<v Speaker 3>That probably the answer to your question is just to

0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:11.959
<v Speaker 3>retreat and pray and listen.

0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Can we pause?

0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:36.800
<v Speaker 3>Man? Good night?

0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:41.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't know where this came from. Sorry, Paul, Sorry.

0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:45.840
<v Speaker 3>Man, I hope that I left you a okay place

0:32:45.960 --> 0:32:46.840
<v Speaker 3>to cut.

0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:48.880
<v Speaker 1>And good night. I'm so sorry. Grazier.

0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:52.080
<v Speaker 2>I'll be honest with you, Burns. I don't think we

0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:59.000
<v Speaker 2>have to cut because it's real, it's raw, and I mean,

0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:01.760
<v Speaker 2>we'll cut the podcast if you think you want to

0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:05.120
<v Speaker 2>cut this podcast. But I think I think it makes

0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:09.160
<v Speaker 2>it more authentic to Kurt if he hears it from you,

0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:14.200
<v Speaker 2>because here he is half your age and he's going,

0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:17.440
<v Speaker 2>what do I do? Here's a guy that goes, I'll

0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:19.520
<v Speaker 2>tell you what to do, tell you what I would do,

0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:34.760
<v Speaker 2>tell you what I'm doing now. Yeah, Kurt, I remember

0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:40.840
<v Speaker 2>being twenty two. And don't don't take anything that anything

0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:42.680
<v Speaker 2>is going on, the emotion's going on here at the

0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:47.360
<v Speaker 2>table right now. Don't take this as a how stupid

0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:52.400
<v Speaker 2>are you? That's that's not what this is, Kurt. I

0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:56.360
<v Speaker 2>think you're just You're talking to two men here, both

0:33:56.400 --> 0:33:59.240
<v Speaker 2>of us that have that have achieved a lot in

0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:05.320
<v Speaker 2>the business world. And this is not this is not

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:10.000
<v Speaker 2>a message for you to avoid the business world and

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:12.040
<v Speaker 2>going to ministry. And that's that's the last thing I

0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:16.080
<v Speaker 2>would tell you. But I would say this, and I

0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:17.880
<v Speaker 2>think this is what Bernie was saying at the beginning.

0:34:19.480 --> 0:34:23.799
<v Speaker 2>You're in ministry as a believer, whether you have that

0:34:23.880 --> 0:34:29.680
<v Speaker 2>title on your email or not. That's what's forgotten, is

0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:34.600
<v Speaker 2>that we are all called the ministry. We are all

0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:39.879
<v Speaker 2>called to obedience to our Lord. We are all called

0:34:39.960 --> 0:34:44.719
<v Speaker 2>to spread the word of the good News. You are

0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:51.560
<v Speaker 2>an ambassador to the Christ, the Messiah, the Lord of lords,

0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:57.239
<v Speaker 2>the King of kings, the one with all authority. He

0:34:57.280 --> 0:35:02.120
<v Speaker 2>has been given all authority. You are an ambassador to him.

0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:06.400
<v Speaker 2>There is no greater call than that. You don't have

0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:09.200
<v Speaker 2>to be at a church to do it. You have

0:35:09.280 --> 0:35:11.520
<v Speaker 2>to be I would hope that you're attending a church.

0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:13.120
<v Speaker 2>That's not what I'm saying. But you don't have to

0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:17.040
<v Speaker 2>be staffed at a church. You can. You need to

0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:24.200
<v Speaker 2>go into your management positions all over the world and

0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:28.719
<v Speaker 2>support the greater mission the capital see church from all places.

0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:36.280
<v Speaker 2>There are no specific missions that go out worldwide without

0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:42.080
<v Speaker 2>extensive support from people in secular industries. It just doesn't

0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:51.160
<v Speaker 2>happen any other way. So I love you, Burns Man.

0:35:51.200 --> 0:35:54.479
<v Speaker 2>That was I think that's the best thing that could

0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 2>have happened out of that question.

0:35:57.040 --> 0:36:00.400
<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, you guys have now seen me.

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:04.600
<v Speaker 1>Every kind of laughter and tear.

0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:09.640
<v Speaker 3>But I yeah, I just know this last holiday season,

0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:16.280
<v Speaker 3>our family was totally under committed and in a world

0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:21.879
<v Speaker 3>that is wanting more and better and bigger, and we

0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:26.440
<v Speaker 3>were just under committed, and we were slow and we

0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:31.640
<v Speaker 3>were quiet. And guys, I have just heard God's voice

0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:34.640
<v Speaker 3>clearer in that time than ever in my life. And

0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:36.120
<v Speaker 3>so if you want to know what to do, if

0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:40.960
<v Speaker 3>you want to know where to go, just find the quiet.

0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:44.239
<v Speaker 3>I promise. This world is so loud and it's telling

0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:46.000
<v Speaker 3>you a lot of lies. But if you find that,

0:36:46.440 --> 0:36:50.759
<v Speaker 3>I promise that you're going to see that path clearer

0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:55.000
<v Speaker 3>than you ever will. That's good.

0:36:56.000 --> 0:36:59.000
<v Speaker 2>All right, A couple more questions here. This next one

0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:04.839
<v Speaker 2>comes from Mac and it says, I don't know how

0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:08.440
<v Speaker 2>to put this, but I'll try my best. Right now,

0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:11.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm fifteen years old, about to be sixteen in May.

0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:14.719
<v Speaker 2>I've been struggling with poorn since I was eleven and

0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:18.440
<v Speaker 2>masturbation since I was thirteen. My parents also got divorced

0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:21.240
<v Speaker 2>when I was eight, and my mother, age forty two,

0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:23.640
<v Speaker 2>just died a little over a year ago when I

0:37:23.680 --> 0:37:28.200
<v Speaker 2>was fourteen. I have had suicidal thoughts, but I'm currently

0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:31.560
<v Speaker 2>seeing a therapist for it. I have been dealing with

0:37:31.719 --> 0:37:35.480
<v Speaker 2>many more problems since a young age, but I've been

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:39.560
<v Speaker 2>trying to follow Christ just a few years now. My

0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:43.360
<v Speaker 2>point is this, how do I follow Christ or get closer?

0:37:43.920 --> 0:37:47.920
<v Speaker 2>After everything that has happened, I keep asking myself, why

0:37:47.960 --> 0:37:53.520
<v Speaker 2>would eleven God allow this in my life? Got from mac.

0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Man Mac.

0:37:56.400 --> 0:37:58.360
<v Speaker 3>I'm so sorry, boy, that's really heavy.

0:37:59.400 --> 0:38:01.440
<v Speaker 1>You have you have been through.

0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:07.879
<v Speaker 3>Very traumatic, what seemed to be traumatic things in your life.

0:38:08.120 --> 0:38:09.040
<v Speaker 1>Where do you want to start?

0:38:09.040 --> 0:38:12.680
<v Speaker 3>Griz because there's uh, there's a few different things that

0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:14.560
<v Speaker 3>he's said and that he's asking.

0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:20.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I think that I could probably go

0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:24.640
<v Speaker 2>this is episode two twenty two, and I could probably

0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:28.760
<v Speaker 2>go every episode from now on and talk about addiction

0:38:28.840 --> 0:38:31.160
<v Speaker 2>to porn and the questions I get about it.

0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:33.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So what that?

0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:35.960
<v Speaker 2>What does that mean. Well, first, the first thing it

0:38:36.000 --> 0:38:40.680
<v Speaker 2>means for Mac is you're not alone. You're not alone

0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:44.960
<v Speaker 2>in this although with that kind of addiction, it's a

0:38:45.000 --> 0:38:50.319
<v Speaker 2>private addiction. It's behind closed doors. And because of that,

0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:54.960
<v Speaker 2>and no one talks about it. None of your friends say, Man,

0:38:55.000 --> 0:38:58.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm addicted to porn and masturbation. No, your friends don't

0:38:58.520 --> 0:38:58.840
<v Speaker 2>say that.

0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:01.040
<v Speaker 1>Real side note, real quick.

0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:06.400
<v Speaker 3>Isn't it interesting how in the Bible it says that

0:39:06.440 --> 0:39:09.759
<v Speaker 3>we need to confess our sins to one another, and

0:39:09.800 --> 0:39:12.160
<v Speaker 3>we need to do our good works in secret.

0:39:13.400 --> 0:39:15.080
<v Speaker 1>The opposite, but yet we do the opposite.

0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:17.920
<v Speaker 3>We put all the good works on Instagram and we

0:39:18.000 --> 0:39:19.839
<v Speaker 3>don't tell anybody about any of our sin.

0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:23.240
<v Speaker 1>So just a side note, we may have something backwards.

0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that seems to be a theme on this podcast,

0:39:27.040 --> 0:39:31.239
<v Speaker 2>backwards things. So that's the first point I want to make, Mac,

0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:35.040
<v Speaker 2>is that you're not alone, although with this kind of deception,

0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:39.040
<v Speaker 2>this kind of sin, it feels like you are. And

0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:43.480
<v Speaker 2>then divorce. There we go. There's the second thing. You're

0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:47.560
<v Speaker 2>not alone on divorce. In fact, statistics say well over

0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:53.160
<v Speaker 2>fifty percent of everyone in the world is divorced, comes

0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:57.800
<v Speaker 2>from a divorce family. And then your mother age forty

0:39:57.800 --> 0:40:00.960
<v Speaker 2>two died over a year ago. When you're fourteen. That

0:40:01.080 --> 0:40:04.759
<v Speaker 2>is a smaller group, but that is still a group

0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:10.000
<v Speaker 2>that I would say you're not alone in. Knowing that

0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:13.080
<v Speaker 2>you're not alone doesn't make any of this easier. It

0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:20.919
<v Speaker 2>just perhaps makes it more understandable that you are not unique, right,

0:40:20.960 --> 0:40:24.319
<v Speaker 2>because uniqueness sounds like you're alone on an island and

0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:27.120
<v Speaker 2>this problem that's never been had and can never be solved,

0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:29.919
<v Speaker 2>and no one's ever thought about it. So that when

0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:32.960
<v Speaker 2>I say you're not alone, I'm not saying easy, it's easy,

0:40:32.960 --> 0:40:35.960
<v Speaker 2>you're not alone. I'm saying, look, you're not alone. That

0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:38.000
<v Speaker 2>means a lot of people have done a lot of

0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:42.799
<v Speaker 2>thought about this. That's good. It's kind of like when

0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:47.319
<v Speaker 2>you get let me think it's something really easy, you

0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:50.600
<v Speaker 2>have a problem in your car and then YouTube it

0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:53.160
<v Speaker 2>and you find out there's like a thousand people telling

0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:55.920
<v Speaker 2>you how to fix it on YouTube. They're like, Okay, cool,

0:40:57.080 --> 0:40:58.799
<v Speaker 2>I thought this was a freak deal that happened in

0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:00.960
<v Speaker 2>my car. But there's actually a lot of people explaining this.

0:41:01.360 --> 0:41:05.040
<v Speaker 2>So there we go. And then the last the last

0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:13.319
<v Speaker 2>thing here suicidal thoughts once again, not alone. That statistic

0:41:13.440 --> 0:41:18.520
<v Speaker 2>is really high. Really high. It's probably a lot higher

0:41:18.719 --> 0:41:22.360
<v Speaker 2>excuse me, a lot higher than any statistic actually shows,

0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:28.080
<v Speaker 2>because people don't like to talk about it. You're seeing

0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:33.000
<v Speaker 2>a therapist and then you're trying to follow Christ. You've

0:41:33.000 --> 0:41:35.799
<v Speaker 2>been doing that for a few years. Your question is

0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:39.000
<v Speaker 2>how do you follow Christ and get closer? After that

0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:41.960
<v Speaker 2>has happened, we'll deal with that question, and then we'll

0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:45.760
<v Speaker 2>deal with your last question, why would a loving God

0:41:46.040 --> 0:41:52.520
<v Speaker 2>allow this in my life? Great questions, Mac, and we're

0:41:52.520 --> 0:41:55.600
<v Speaker 2>going to walk through it like we're sitting around a campfire.

0:41:55.640 --> 0:41:58.880
<v Speaker 2>That's what we do on this podcast. No notes, no quotes.

0:41:59.320 --> 0:42:01.080
<v Speaker 2>We don't have a C. S. Lewis book sitting right

0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:05.560
<v Speaker 2>here that has like the perfect quips or the perfect answers.

0:42:06.880 --> 0:42:09.759
<v Speaker 2>So we've established you're not alone. We've established these are

0:42:09.800 --> 0:42:12.040
<v Speaker 2>these are problems that a lot of people struggle with

0:42:12.080 --> 0:42:17.359
<v Speaker 2>and probably don't even talk about. And then we're going

0:42:17.400 --> 0:42:20.440
<v Speaker 2>to talk about how to follow Christ and how a

0:42:20.520 --> 0:42:25.279
<v Speaker 2>loving God would allow this in your life. We'll start

0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:29.360
<v Speaker 2>with the first one, Burns, how does he get how

0:42:29.480 --> 0:42:32.759
<v Speaker 2>would how would one not even Mac? How would one

0:42:32.840 --> 0:42:36.480
<v Speaker 2>hypothetically get closer to Christ?

0:42:36.960 --> 0:42:43.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh Man? All right, what's his name again?

0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Mac, it may see what.

0:42:45.719 --> 0:42:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Was the dude that made me cry earlier?

0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:50.279
<v Speaker 3>Kurt Kurt, Okay, Mac, I'm really hoping you ain't gone

0:42:50.280 --> 0:42:54.080
<v Speaker 3>to a to me brother. But we talked about this

0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:58.960
<v Speaker 3>off air a little while ago, like whenever somebody passes

0:42:59.000 --> 0:43:04.040
<v Speaker 3>away there or maybe it was one of the questions earlier,

0:43:04.080 --> 0:43:07.600
<v Speaker 3>like there's this connection that we try to make.

0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:09.040
<v Speaker 1>Maybe we didn't even know.

0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:11.239
<v Speaker 3>Them, you know, like the grandfather, but we know that

0:43:11.280 --> 0:43:13.560
<v Speaker 3>the grandfather liked to work on cars. And every time

0:43:13.600 --> 0:43:17.000
<v Speaker 3>that I go and I work on cars, I feel

0:43:17.080 --> 0:43:20.560
<v Speaker 3>this like connection. Maybe I never knew him, but I've

0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:22.600
<v Speaker 3>heard so much about him, or maybe I knew him

0:43:22.760 --> 0:43:25.200
<v Speaker 3>and this is what we did together. And so now

0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:27.080
<v Speaker 3>that he's gone, I love to go work on cars

0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:29.759
<v Speaker 3>because man, I feel this connection. I feel like I

0:43:29.800 --> 0:43:31.160
<v Speaker 3>still know him, Like he's there.

0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:33.879
<v Speaker 1>You know what Jesus did.

0:43:34.920 --> 0:43:39.839
<v Speaker 3>He suffered, and the word tells us that we can know.

0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:42.080
<v Speaker 1>Him in his suffering.

0:43:42.719 --> 0:43:47.040
<v Speaker 3>We can share in his suffering. And I feel like

0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:49.360
<v Speaker 3>if you want to know him, if you want to

0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:55.239
<v Speaker 3>know Christ, then intentionally you can find and maybe you

0:43:55.280 --> 0:44:00.279
<v Speaker 3>are in this, Mac, like you can pray in your suffering,

0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:03.799
<v Speaker 3>like Jesus is there with you. There is I think

0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:06.400
<v Speaker 3>there is a means for you through that, not to

0:44:07.080 --> 0:44:09.560
<v Speaker 3>move it away, And like I just got to focus

0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:11.480
<v Speaker 3>on Jesus and I got to talk to the church.

0:44:11.520 --> 0:44:15.320
<v Speaker 3>It's like no, like in that suffering, in those moments

0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:19.560
<v Speaker 3>of agony and pain and hurt, it's like Jesus is there.

0:44:19.680 --> 0:44:24.719
<v Speaker 3>He bore that too. And I feel like there is

0:44:27.400 --> 0:44:30.000
<v Speaker 3>a way if you have that intention and you have

0:44:30.080 --> 0:44:35.120
<v Speaker 3>that mindset that you can draw I think that was closer.

0:44:35.120 --> 0:44:37.200
<v Speaker 3>How do you draw closer to him?

0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:37.839
<v Speaker 1>How do we know.

0:44:37.840 --> 0:44:41.400
<v Speaker 2>Him after everything that happened? Yeah, but you're building an

0:44:41.440 --> 0:44:45.120
<v Speaker 2>argument that it's actually easier to get closer to him

0:44:45.360 --> 0:44:46.600
<v Speaker 2>after that stuff happens.

0:44:46.719 --> 0:44:48.400
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, one hundred percent.

0:44:48.600 --> 0:44:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Because when things are going good in your life and

0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:54.880
<v Speaker 2>everything's great, you don't think about God. You think about

0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:58.279
<v Speaker 2>yourself and how good things are. And so when when

0:44:58.320 --> 0:45:01.880
<v Speaker 2>the Lord removes things from him, when he tightens his

0:45:01.920 --> 0:45:05.840
<v Speaker 2>grip a little bit, when he lessens our oxygen intake

0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:08.120
<v Speaker 2>a little bit, and we start gasping for air, we

0:45:08.200 --> 0:45:09.960
<v Speaker 2>go God, where are you?

0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:11.080
<v Speaker 1>Where are you?

0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:14.640
<v Speaker 2>And in those moments we might say things like how

0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:17.279
<v Speaker 2>do I get closer to you? And He's going I'm

0:45:17.320 --> 0:45:17.680
<v Speaker 2>doing it.

0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:21.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he said, you actually six months ago you pray

0:45:21.400 --> 0:45:24.960
<v Speaker 3>that you wanted to know me more. I'm answering your prayer. Yeah,

0:45:25.120 --> 0:45:29.000
<v Speaker 3>this is this is quite literally how it happens. Yeah,

0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:32.080
<v Speaker 3>it's through suffering, and I know nobody likes that. And

0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:35.160
<v Speaker 3>the other thing that I've thought of recently is we

0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:38.240
<v Speaker 3>have these things that are probably outside of your control,

0:45:38.920 --> 0:45:39.919
<v Speaker 3>your mom passing away.

0:45:40.000 --> 0:45:40.080
<v Speaker 2>This.

0:45:40.520 --> 0:45:41.440
<v Speaker 1>I lost my mom at.

0:45:41.400 --> 0:45:44.680
<v Speaker 3>A young age too, and so I do understand that,

0:45:45.280 --> 0:45:47.239
<v Speaker 3>and that was I didn't have any control over that.

0:45:47.320 --> 0:45:48.840
<v Speaker 3>But that was a suffering and a pain that I

0:45:48.880 --> 0:45:56.000
<v Speaker 3>had to go through. But Jesus knew he intentionally came

0:45:56.080 --> 0:45:59.200
<v Speaker 3>to suffer ahead of time. So I think even in

0:45:59.760 --> 0:46:03.239
<v Speaker 3>j for everybody out there listening, I feel like and

0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:08.879
<v Speaker 3>for me, I'm almost trying to find ways, Like you've

0:46:08.960 --> 0:46:11.440
<v Speaker 3>questioned me before or people have about like why do

0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:13.760
<v Speaker 3>you do cold showers, why do you do ultra running?

0:46:13.920 --> 0:46:16.080
<v Speaker 3>Why do you do these crazy things? And it just

0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:19.120
<v Speaker 3>like recently through Philippians three ten, I was like, that's

0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:22.440
<v Speaker 3>the connection. I get to know Jesus. I get to

0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:26.040
<v Speaker 3>know him in his suffering. And so I'm gonna go

0:46:26.600 --> 0:46:29.120
<v Speaker 3>into that. That's a song that it's one hundred and

0:46:29.160 --> 0:46:31.920
<v Speaker 3>eighty degrees. Then that cold plungees forty and I'm just

0:46:31.920 --> 0:46:33.600
<v Speaker 3>gonna sit in and I'm gonna be like, oh, I

0:46:33.680 --> 0:46:36.040
<v Speaker 3>know it's not the Cross. I know it is not,

0:46:36.200 --> 0:46:39.360
<v Speaker 3>but just a little bit a taste of it, a

0:46:39.400 --> 0:46:41.480
<v Speaker 3>little bit more closer to you. I want to know

0:46:41.560 --> 0:46:46.600
<v Speaker 3>you in this. And so I know it's counterculture, it's backwards,

0:46:47.080 --> 0:46:52.720
<v Speaker 3>but I do believe that we we know other people

0:46:53.040 --> 0:46:55.799
<v Speaker 3>through suffering with them, and I believe that we can

0:46:55.880 --> 0:46:59.320
<v Speaker 3>know him and draw closer to him through the suffering

0:46:59.360 --> 0:47:00.919
<v Speaker 3>that magnet be going through right now.

0:47:01.200 --> 0:47:05.160
<v Speaker 2>So in snow skiing, there's the bunny run, the Greens,

0:47:05.480 --> 0:47:10.040
<v Speaker 2>the Blues, the black diamonds, and the double blacks. I

0:47:10.040 --> 0:47:12.480
<v Speaker 2>think you're I think you're on like a black double

0:47:12.520 --> 0:47:17.520
<v Speaker 2>black diamond right now with with your walk in Christianity.

0:47:18.239 --> 0:47:19.920
<v Speaker 2>And I think Max, like we need to take him

0:47:19.920 --> 0:47:26.480
<v Speaker 2>to the bunny slope. He might be thinking, I don't

0:47:26.480 --> 0:47:29.600
<v Speaker 2>even know who Jesus is. Yeah, you're right, you know

0:47:29.640 --> 0:47:31.759
<v Speaker 2>what I mean? If he's Yeah, Mac, let me back up.

0:47:31.800 --> 0:47:39.000
<v Speaker 3>If you're having suicidal thoughts, he said, he's in therapy. Yeah,

0:47:39.000 --> 0:47:42.880
<v Speaker 3>there there there's a different mental state that a stable

0:47:42.960 --> 0:47:45.719
<v Speaker 3>state that we need to encourage you to get to

0:47:46.560 --> 0:47:47.480
<v Speaker 3>before you start.

0:47:47.280 --> 0:47:49.080
<v Speaker 1>Thinking about all this nonsense. I was saying.

0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:52.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so yeah, don't get on the double black Diamond

0:47:52.560 --> 0:47:54.120
<v Speaker 2>until you learn how to snow ski. Let's get you

0:47:54.200 --> 0:47:56.920
<v Speaker 2>on the bunny slope. Okay, what Bernie's saying is all truth,

0:47:56.960 --> 0:48:00.440
<v Speaker 2>and I love it. And he's in a really a

0:48:00.480 --> 0:48:06.120
<v Speaker 2>really diverse of spiritual mountain right now, which is really

0:48:06.120 --> 0:48:09.080
<v Speaker 2>cool to see. But if we're gonna get you on

0:48:09.120 --> 0:48:11.279
<v Speaker 2>the bunny slope, and we'll first say what Bernie said,

0:48:11.280 --> 0:48:13.280
<v Speaker 2>and that's a good reminder that if you are having

0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:19.200
<v Speaker 2>suicidal thoughts, please seek medical attention. Okay, this, this podcast

0:48:19.239 --> 0:48:21.920
<v Speaker 2>is not the end all be all. You need to

0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:26.000
<v Speaker 2>seek medical attention and get help in that way. Okay,

0:48:26.080 --> 0:48:29.160
<v Speaker 2>so boom, let's establish that. Second, let's get on the

0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:34.960
<v Speaker 2>bunny slope with Jesus, which eventually will trump everything that,

0:48:35.400 --> 0:48:38.960
<v Speaker 2>all the therapy and all the medical help. He will

0:48:38.960 --> 0:48:41.640
<v Speaker 2>trump all of that. But you need to get to

0:48:41.640 --> 0:48:45.719
<v Speaker 2>know him. You need to know who he is. When

0:48:45.760 --> 0:48:49.040
<v Speaker 2>you know who he is, you no longer say things

0:48:49.080 --> 0:48:51.479
<v Speaker 2>like why would a loving God allow this in my life?

0:48:52.640 --> 0:48:56.879
<v Speaker 2>I don't think you know this loving God, And in fact,

0:48:57.040 --> 0:48:59.000
<v Speaker 2>I know that you don't. And I don't say that

0:48:59.040 --> 0:49:01.680
<v Speaker 2>to insult you. I just I know from your email

0:49:01.760 --> 0:49:07.200
<v Speaker 2>that you don't, and I want you to desperately, I

0:49:07.280 --> 0:49:09.360
<v Speaker 2>really want you to, Mac And this is going to

0:49:09.440 --> 0:49:13.120
<v Speaker 2>start with a couple of ways. It's going to start

0:49:13.160 --> 0:49:19.800
<v Speaker 2>with knowing Him, knowing the Gospel, reading His word, going

0:49:19.840 --> 0:49:22.520
<v Speaker 2>to church. And I'm not trying to stack up a

0:49:22.600 --> 0:49:24.360
<v Speaker 2>to do list for you, a grocery list. That's not

0:49:24.360 --> 0:49:26.600
<v Speaker 2>what I'm trying to do. But there are a lot

0:49:26.640 --> 0:49:29.640
<v Speaker 2>of ways to attack this, and I think it probably

0:49:29.680 --> 0:49:33.080
<v Speaker 2>with this conversation starts with the Gospel. So let me

0:49:33.840 --> 0:49:36.640
<v Speaker 2>let me tell you the gospel, because the Bible says

0:49:36.680 --> 0:49:41.200
<v Speaker 2>that those who hear it there is transformational power in it.

0:49:41.719 --> 0:49:45.360
<v Speaker 2>The power of God lives in this message. It appeals

0:49:45.400 --> 0:49:49.000
<v Speaker 2>to your conscience in a way that your your social

0:49:49.080 --> 0:49:52.760
<v Speaker 2>mind tries to reject it. This appeals to your conscience

0:49:52.760 --> 0:49:55.000
<v Speaker 2>in a way that we cannot understand because we were

0:49:55.080 --> 0:49:59.480
<v Speaker 2>created by a God. With this story. Okay, so the

0:49:59.520 --> 0:50:05.960
<v Speaker 2>gospel starts with God, all knowing, all powerful, all loving.

0:50:09.640 --> 0:50:15.120
<v Speaker 2>This God creates. I mean that idea alone, like just

0:50:15.120 --> 0:50:17.400
<v Speaker 2>stop there and just think about it. For a second, God,

0:50:17.440 --> 0:50:22.520
<v Speaker 2>who needs nothing, who exists in eternal past. He was

0:50:22.560 --> 0:50:26.239
<v Speaker 2>not created, he does not have a beginning, and he

0:50:26.320 --> 0:50:30.680
<v Speaker 2>decides out of his love he's going to create. So

0:50:30.719 --> 0:50:34.440
<v Speaker 2>he creates man in his own image. He creates everything,

0:50:34.440 --> 0:50:37.160
<v Speaker 2>but we're the only thing of all the things in

0:50:37.200 --> 0:50:43.120
<v Speaker 2>his image. And early on we reject him. We inherit

0:50:43.160 --> 0:50:47.239
<v Speaker 2>that sin from all of our ancestors, the sin of

0:50:47.280 --> 0:50:51.720
<v Speaker 2>rejection to God. We rebel against him, and that manifests

0:50:51.760 --> 0:50:55.480
<v Speaker 2>itself in all kinds of ways. We are sinners. Now.

0:50:55.480 --> 0:50:58.040
<v Speaker 2>We feel sorry for ourselves, and we'd like to change

0:50:58.040 --> 0:51:01.640
<v Speaker 2>that name to like scars and and you know, like

0:51:01.800 --> 0:51:05.640
<v Speaker 2>problems that happened to us, you know, like wounds, wounds

0:51:05.640 --> 0:51:07.920
<v Speaker 2>and scars. We like to say, but the truth is

0:51:08.640 --> 0:51:15.120
<v Speaker 2>it's a sin. It's a rejection of God himself, and

0:51:15.200 --> 0:51:19.879
<v Speaker 2>in that we have separated ourselves from God. Isaiah fifty

0:51:19.960 --> 0:51:25.120
<v Speaker 2>nine to two says, your iniquities have separated you from

0:51:25.160 --> 0:51:29.160
<v Speaker 2>your God, and your sins have hidden his face from

0:51:29.160 --> 0:51:33.799
<v Speaker 2>you so that he does not hear. So he has

0:51:33.880 --> 0:51:36.200
<v Speaker 2>separated from you because of your sin. That's what your

0:51:36.200 --> 0:51:38.040
<v Speaker 2>sin has done. And the reason I say it that

0:51:38.080 --> 0:51:39.640
<v Speaker 2>way is because we like to think of our sin

0:51:39.680 --> 0:51:42.400
<v Speaker 2>as like, please, God, I got this sin. Will you

0:51:42.400 --> 0:51:46.640
<v Speaker 2>come heal me and make it better for me. God

0:51:46.680 --> 0:51:50.439
<v Speaker 2>knows that he sins Jesus who says, I didn't come

0:51:50.560 --> 0:51:52.680
<v Speaker 2>just to make it better for you. I came to

0:51:52.760 --> 0:51:56.520
<v Speaker 2>reconcile your relationship with God because you can't do it.

0:51:56.840 --> 0:51:59.680
<v Speaker 2>I come to bring you, to tear down that separation

0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:03.239
<v Speaker 2>and bring you to God. That's why Jesus came to

0:52:03.320 --> 0:52:07.400
<v Speaker 2>reconcile sinners, to bring them to God, sinners that cannot

0:52:07.440 --> 0:52:10.960
<v Speaker 2>do it on our own, because we're imperfect beings. So

0:52:11.120 --> 0:52:15.640
<v Speaker 2>God sinds his son, which we call this is a

0:52:15.680 --> 0:52:19.040
<v Speaker 2>big word, the incarnation. He comes to earth, lives the

0:52:19.080 --> 0:52:22.120
<v Speaker 2>perfect life in a way that we couldn't. And what

0:52:22.120 --> 0:52:25.080
<v Speaker 2>do we do. We kill him. We send him to

0:52:25.120 --> 0:52:29.879
<v Speaker 2>the cross. He dies on the cross as a replacement

0:52:29.920 --> 0:52:32.719
<v Speaker 2>for our sins. He kills sin on the cross. He

0:52:32.760 --> 0:52:35.759
<v Speaker 2>takes it upon himself on his body. He takes our

0:52:35.840 --> 0:52:40.280
<v Speaker 2>sins on his body and bears it himself on the cross.

0:52:41.680 --> 0:52:44.080
<v Speaker 2>And then three days later he's resurrected from the dead.

0:52:44.400 --> 0:52:46.879
<v Speaker 2>And he says, anyone who looks to me, anyone who

0:52:46.880 --> 0:52:50.920
<v Speaker 2>looks upon me, who believes in me, turns from themselves?

0:52:51.239 --> 0:52:54.600
<v Speaker 2>Who turns from their poor, pitiful selves? That's always worried

0:52:54.600 --> 0:52:57.400
<v Speaker 2>about how am I going to overcome poor? How am

0:52:57.400 --> 0:52:59.640
<v Speaker 2>I going to overcome masturbation? How am I going to

0:52:59.640 --> 0:53:01.920
<v Speaker 2>overcome I'm the loss of my family. Oh I'm so

0:53:02.600 --> 0:53:04.880
<v Speaker 2>I just want to be I want me, me, me,

0:53:05.480 --> 0:53:09.160
<v Speaker 2>He says. You turn from that, turn to me, Believe

0:53:09.160 --> 0:53:11.839
<v Speaker 2>in me, and I will restore you. I will redeem you,

0:53:12.120 --> 0:53:15.120
<v Speaker 2>I will heal you. I will adopt you as a

0:53:15.160 --> 0:53:18.279
<v Speaker 2>son to the Kingdom of God. That's what Jesus came

0:53:18.320 --> 0:53:22.399
<v Speaker 2>to do. So my invitation to you right now, Mac,

0:53:23.160 --> 0:53:25.719
<v Speaker 2>is that you hear those words and you respond to

0:53:25.800 --> 0:53:30.480
<v Speaker 2>them in a way because those words do not call indifference.

0:53:30.520 --> 0:53:35.239
<v Speaker 2>It's like this. It's like me saying, hey, Mac, you

0:53:35.320 --> 0:53:38.480
<v Speaker 2>have a heart disease, that it will kill you, you

0:53:38.560 --> 0:53:41.360
<v Speaker 2>will die. You need a heart transplant. I'm a doctor

0:53:41.400 --> 0:53:44.400
<v Speaker 2>telling you you need a heart transplant. That kind of

0:53:44.400 --> 0:53:48.520
<v Speaker 2>news demands a response. You cannot be indifferent to that, Riachon.

0:53:48.560 --> 0:53:51.480
<v Speaker 2>You can't go, well, I don't know, I don't know, doc,

0:53:52.280 --> 0:53:55.160
<v Speaker 2>It's yes or no, right, And so that the gospel

0:53:55.200 --> 0:53:57.839
<v Speaker 2>does the same thing. You have a disease that will

0:53:57.920 --> 0:54:01.960
<v Speaker 2>kill you. Here's the cure. Jesus is the cure. He

0:54:02.040 --> 0:54:06.640
<v Speaker 2>reconciles you to God. So my challenge to you, because

0:54:06.680 --> 0:54:09.000
<v Speaker 2>you asked the question, how do I fall across and

0:54:09.000 --> 0:54:12.120
<v Speaker 2>get closer? You asked the question, My challenges you to you.

0:54:12.280 --> 0:54:15.160
<v Speaker 2>It's tonight, Mac you get down on your knees alone

0:54:15.239 --> 0:54:18.960
<v Speaker 2>in a quiet place. You got it. I know I

0:54:19.000 --> 0:54:22.920
<v Speaker 2>don't pray very often. In fact, I don't really even

0:54:23.000 --> 0:54:26.000
<v Speaker 2>know how. But I listened to this podcast and I

0:54:26.000 --> 0:54:29.480
<v Speaker 2>heard granger and burning. They were getting really emotional, and

0:54:29.520 --> 0:54:32.200
<v Speaker 2>they were telling me about what Jesus did on the

0:54:32.239 --> 0:54:36.680
<v Speaker 2>cross and telling me that I don't have to be

0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:39.120
<v Speaker 2>a good person to get to you. I just need

0:54:39.160 --> 0:54:41.600
<v Speaker 2>to put all my trust in you that you did

0:54:41.640 --> 0:54:45.160
<v Speaker 2>the work for me. And then after that, I'm gonna

0:54:45.160 --> 0:54:48.719
<v Speaker 2>feel this peace. I'm gonna feel this. I'm gonna feel this,

0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:52.279
<v Speaker 2>this love from your grace that goes and kills this masturbation,

0:54:52.440 --> 0:54:55.600
<v Speaker 2>that kills this weird guilt that I have in my

0:54:55.680 --> 0:54:58.640
<v Speaker 2>life that wants to take my life, my own life away.

0:54:59.120 --> 0:55:03.160
<v Speaker 2>That's what I heard. And God, I want to believe that.

0:55:03.280 --> 0:55:06.560
<v Speaker 2>I want that open my heart so that I believe it.

0:55:06.840 --> 0:55:08.520
<v Speaker 2>Open my eyes to this word.

0:55:09.280 --> 0:55:11.279
<v Speaker 1>Do this? What do I do?

0:55:11.360 --> 0:55:13.440
<v Speaker 2>God? I want to follow you. I want to know

0:55:13.480 --> 0:55:15.640
<v Speaker 2>why a loving God would allow this stuff in my life?

0:55:15.680 --> 0:55:18.399
<v Speaker 2>Are you a loving God? I believe that you are.

0:55:18.800 --> 0:55:20.239
<v Speaker 2>This is the kind of prayer I want him to

0:55:20.320 --> 0:55:24.680
<v Speaker 2>have tonight as he hears this podcast. That's my challenge

0:55:24.680 --> 0:55:27.959
<v Speaker 2>to you, Mac, And you can go one of two ways.

0:55:27.960 --> 0:55:30.799
<v Speaker 2>You could do it, or you can go I don't know.

0:55:32.520 --> 0:55:34.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't know about it. I don't know about all stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm gonna tell you cannot be indifferent to a

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<v Speaker 2>doctor telling you you need a heart transplant? Why would

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<v Speaker 2>a loving God? Last question, why would a loving God

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<v Speaker 2>allow this in Max's life? Do you have an answer

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<v Speaker 2>for that? Burns oh Man, I mean you kind of

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<v Speaker 2>said it earlier.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I I'm trying to think of where Max coming

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<v Speaker 3>from with that question. Those two questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to back, it's a struggle.

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<v Speaker 3>It's almost like, if he takes your advice, I'm happy

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<v Speaker 3>to answer, you can answer, But I feel like if

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<v Speaker 3>you take Granger's advice on the first one, you'll probably

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<v Speaker 3>find the answer to the second one.

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<v Speaker 2>That's good. Yeah, yeah, you worry about that kind of

0:56:32.280 --> 0:56:36.920
<v Speaker 2>stuff less when you understand the first part. Yeah, because

0:56:38.040 --> 0:56:41.520
<v Speaker 2>because what Burns is saying is when you stand on truth,

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<v Speaker 2>when you know the truth. As God has revealed himself

0:56:46.400 --> 0:56:50.799
<v Speaker 2>in the Bible, we know that he is good. We

0:56:50.840 --> 0:56:54.600
<v Speaker 2>know that he is all powerful, all purposing. We know

0:56:54.680 --> 0:56:57.799
<v Speaker 2>that He also mourns with those who mourn, weeps with

0:56:57.840 --> 0:57:02.360
<v Speaker 2>those who weep. We know that he hates. Listen to this,

0:57:02.360 --> 0:57:04.759
<v Speaker 2>A lot of people go, God doesn't hate, yes, mac

0:57:04.920 --> 0:57:10.960
<v Speaker 2>God hates this sin. He hates this idea of you

0:57:11.239 --> 0:57:17.560
<v Speaker 2>and your suicidal thoughts. He hates that you hurt. You're

0:57:17.600 --> 0:57:20.760
<v Speaker 2>made in his image. He hates that you hurt. He

0:57:20.840 --> 0:57:25.440
<v Speaker 2>hates this porn addiction, he hates this masturbation addiction. And

0:57:25.480 --> 0:57:29.480
<v Speaker 2>he offers you truth, and he offers you love, and

0:57:30.080 --> 0:57:34.800
<v Speaker 2>he says that he's good. He self reveals himself is good,

0:57:35.040 --> 0:57:38.760
<v Speaker 2>and so we trust God. You're good, You're holy, You're

0:57:38.800 --> 0:57:43.040
<v Speaker 2>different than me. I can't understand your ways. So the

0:57:43.080 --> 0:57:44.920
<v Speaker 2>fact that I can't understand where I am in my

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<v Speaker 2>life right now, I can understand that you are good,

0:57:48.440 --> 0:57:50.800
<v Speaker 2>and you work things to the counsel of your own

0:57:50.960 --> 0:57:54.200
<v Speaker 2>will for the purpose of your own good, which is

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately the purpose of all of our good because if

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<v Speaker 2>it's good for God, it eventually is good for us. Look,

0:58:01.360 --> 0:58:03.800
<v Speaker 2>that's not that difficult. That might sound crazy, it's not

0:58:03.800 --> 0:58:05.640
<v Speaker 2>that difficult to understand when you look at it in

0:58:05.720 --> 0:58:08.880
<v Speaker 2>terms of a child. We are children compared to him.

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<v Speaker 2>We know nothing. It's like I've said this before, me

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<v Speaker 2>taking my kids to a man that straps them to

0:58:16.320 --> 0:58:21.320
<v Speaker 2>the chair and performs painful things on them. Later to

0:58:21.320 --> 0:58:24.120
<v Speaker 2>find out I was just taking them to the dentist,

0:58:24.520 --> 0:58:27.480
<v Speaker 2>and they think I'm evil and horrible to do this

0:58:27.520 --> 0:58:29.960
<v Speaker 2>to them. In fact, pay someone to do that. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a dentist.

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<v Speaker 3>Who would put their kid through that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's the same.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the same. We could go on and on. We've

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<v Speaker 2>got a little extra on this podcast, if not even

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<v Speaker 2>gonna get to the last question, because this has been

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<v Speaker 2>something man, this is.

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<v Speaker 1>Too too emotionally. Is that the words you're looking for?

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<v Speaker 2>Man?

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate you guys out there bearing with me, y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we started burning, I prayed, We prayed for the

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<v Speaker 2>words of this podcast, and I still I still don't

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<v Speaker 2>know as I look back on what we've said, I

0:59:07.120 --> 0:59:11.040
<v Speaker 2>don't know what we said that is helpful or if

0:59:11.080 --> 0:59:13.320
<v Speaker 2>we said it the right way. But I just trust

0:59:13.320 --> 0:59:16.680
<v Speaker 2>that God takes this and his word does not return voids.

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<v Speaker 2>So we love y'all. Thanks for hitting us hard with

0:59:20.160 --> 0:59:23.120
<v Speaker 2>some really good questions and we'll see you next moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for joining me on the Grangersmith podcast. I appreciate

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