Speaker 1: Good night. I don't know where this came from. Sorry, Paul, Sorry.
Speaker 2: Man, oh Man, Kurt, I hope that I.
Speaker 1: Left you eight Okay, place to cut and good night.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry man.
Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you, Burns. I don't think we
Speaker 2: have to cut. Welcome back to the podcast. Y'all. Interesting
Speaker 2: podcast today, don't I don't think you know this, Bernie,
Speaker 2: but it is January twenty second is the day this
Speaker 2: comes out. And this is episode too twenty two. WHOA
Speaker 2: a lot of two's going on in today's episode two
Speaker 2: to two with two people on one two with two people. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Bernie Calcut, one of my favorite guests, probably my original guest.
Speaker 2: I don't know. You've been on more than anybody combined.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And what we do here, man, we just answer your questions.
Speaker 2: You email podcast at grangersmith dot com ask anything. And
Speaker 2: I don't know. As we're recording this, after we finished,
Speaker 2: we're going to go to lunch and so this literally
Speaker 2: this podcast is like you go to lunch with us, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you say, hey, guys, did I run something by you?
Speaker 2: Because that's what we're going to do at lunch today. Yeah,
Speaker 2: no doubt right, So email podcast at grangersmith dot com.
Speaker 2: We're going to get right to it. The first question
Speaker 2: comes from Ethan. It says, hello, sir, my name is
Speaker 2: Ethan from Michigan. I'm finishing up my last semester of
Speaker 2: college and I'm getting a degree in welding engineering technology
Speaker 2: and accept at a full time job as a welding
Speaker 2: engineer for John Deere, my dream job since I was
Speaker 2: thirteen years old. But I lost my dad unexpectedly in
Speaker 2: April of twenty twenty from an aneurysm, leaving me my
Speaker 2: mother and my three younger siblings, two boys and the
Speaker 2: youngest a girl. As I prepare to move eight hours
Speaker 2: of way way, I struggle with how much of the
Speaker 2: father figure leadership role I'm supposed to take on and
Speaker 2: whether or not I should be staying close to my family.
Speaker 2: I love what you're doing and I look up to
Speaker 2: you as a role model. Thanks for taking time to
Speaker 2: read this. If you could send me the podcast number
Speaker 2: if this is read, that would be awesome so that
Speaker 2: I don't miss it. Thank you, Ethan. Yeah, episode two
Speaker 2: too too. Okay, I think I think my man Ethan
Speaker 2: emailed the right crew here. Yeah. Wow, that's we could
Speaker 2: I could definitely feel this. I know Burns can actually Paul,
Speaker 2: the guy that edits this, he lost his dad just
Speaker 2: a few weeks ago. So this is the fraternity that
Speaker 2: nobody wants to enter, but most of us eventually do
Speaker 2: losing your dad and then, like Ethan, a lot of
Speaker 2: us will go through this type idea. And whether or
Speaker 2: not it's exactly like Ethan where you're you're wanting to
Speaker 2: fill in a void with your parents or with your
Speaker 2: mother and your siblings, it could also come in the
Speaker 2: form of probably what you feel, and I feel, how
Speaker 2: do I raise my kids without a grandpa and in
Speaker 2: a way that I could kind of fill that void
Speaker 2: that a grandpa would fill. And the answer is you can't.
Speaker 2: But we still try to think, you know, like my
Speaker 2: kids on my side, not Amber side, but my side,
Speaker 2: my kids have never known a grandpa. My dad died
Speaker 2: when London was two, And how often have I thought, ma'am,
Speaker 2: dad would have made a good grandpa, Like Dad would
Speaker 2: have taught them this about fishing. Our dad would have
Speaker 2: been really good at throwing the ball in the yard.
Speaker 2: And now I'm stuck in the grandpa mode and that's
Speaker 2: a wrong thinking. Yeah, that's just naturally what we think. Sure,
Speaker 2: when my dad died, Parker, my youngest brother was man,
Speaker 2: he was like nineteen, I think he was nineteen or twenty,
Speaker 2: and so that was a it was a different he
Speaker 2: was in a different place than I was. He was
Speaker 2: in college. He was like Ethan here right, he was
Speaker 2: just like you. And that hits harder for that, for
Speaker 2: that age group, for that, For what you're doing, Ethan,
Speaker 2: I feel you, and Parker could feel you for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you, being the oldest, probably have a different perspective
Speaker 3: for Ethan than I would have. I was the youngest,
Speaker 3: I was not as young as his sibling, you know,
Speaker 3: his youngest sibling. But how did you net because I
Speaker 3: think part of his question is, and Ethan, I'm so sorry, man,
Speaker 3: this is a it's a tough thing to lose a day.
Speaker 3: It's a tough thing then to carry the burden of
Speaker 3: being a father figure. How how did you And I
Speaker 3: know that you weren't trying to feel that for Tyler
Speaker 3: or Parker, but how did you, as the oldest, you know,
Speaker 3: lead them through the grieving process and just the leadership
Speaker 3: of the family from you know, a man's point at
Speaker 3: After that.
Speaker 2: I for sure felt that, and I feel what Ethan
Speaker 2: Is is talking about here is you know, as I
Speaker 2: lost my dad, I thought, man, I'm the oldest male
Speaker 2: in this immediate family now, and and it's it's an
Speaker 2: unnecessary burden that you'll put on yourself. It's just not
Speaker 2: needed because you're you're not your dad, and you're not
Speaker 2: going to fill the role for your mom of your
Speaker 2: dad or for your siblings. You're you're not going to
Speaker 2: fill that role. And so you really want to come
Speaker 2: alongside your mom and encourage her and help her with
Speaker 2: all the the new things that she has to deal
Speaker 2: with as a widow. And this happened in twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: so there's been some time to go by here too,
Speaker 2: and so there is a level maybe could help me
Speaker 2: with this, Bernie, but there is there is a time
Speaker 2: for being there for your mom in her grief, and
Speaker 2: then there's a time to say, okay, but I also
Speaker 2: need to move forward with this job with John Deere.
Speaker 2: That's what dad would want me to do, and it's
Speaker 2: it would be probably unhealthy if I gave up everything
Speaker 2: to be with mom and my siblings to fill a
Speaker 2: spot that I can't even fill anyway.
Speaker 3: Sure, I think the communication with your mom is going
Speaker 3: to be huge. Just understand, I mean it probably has
Speaker 3: been at this point. This has been three years ago,
Speaker 3: so Ethan, we'd love for you to write back in
Speaker 3: maybe fill us in of where you are.
Speaker 1: And what's happened.
Speaker 2: And this is a new email.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, this but it happened in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Okay, he's just now preparing to move eight hours away. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think it's probably time me too. I think you've
Speaker 3: probably had communication with your mom. I feel like there's
Speaker 3: because you more than being a father figure and filling
Speaker 3: that role, you're a role model either way. Yeah, because
Speaker 3: there's people out there probably listening who maybe they haven't
Speaker 3: their father didn't pass away, but he's been absent and
Speaker 3: they've had a sibling that's had to step in and
Speaker 3: just be a role model. Maybe it's not a father figure,
Speaker 3: but it's someone that can help by the way that
Speaker 3: they live.
Speaker 1: Be an example.
Speaker 3: Hey, when you go to college and you work hard
Speaker 3: and you study something, and then you have this opportunity,
Speaker 3: you pray about it, and if the door continues to open,
Speaker 3: even though you have to leave some things behind that
Speaker 3: you love, you go for it.
Speaker 1: You go I think that that could be.
Speaker 3: Obviously he doesn't mention a lot about his dad's character,
Speaker 3: but that could have been who his dad want, like
Speaker 3: you said, wanted him to be and wanted you're going to,
Speaker 3: you know, show that example to your siblings. If your
Speaker 3: mom is in a good place. There's just a lot
Speaker 3: of questions I'd have for Ethan. But if the question
Speaker 3: is do I go pursue this this work that even
Speaker 3: though it takes me a little bit away, I think
Speaker 3: you do.
Speaker 1: I think you do that.
Speaker 3: I think you stay in communication and everything can be
Speaker 3: for season, you know, if you if you take it
Speaker 3: and you move and you're like, man, there's there's things
Speaker 3: happening that I feel like my family needs me. Think
Speaker 3: you're not committing, You're not committing your life to live there.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's really good because Ethan, you could be
Speaker 2: giving your mom a huge gift by taking yourself out
Speaker 2: of the situation as at an appropriate time. Four years
Speaker 2: is an appropriate time, So you remove yourself from maybe
Speaker 2: you're a crutch to her, you know, like maybe you're
Speaker 2: you're providing something that she's leaning on that's inhibiting her
Speaker 2: from moving forward and continuing on with her life. Her
Speaker 2: next phase of her life. Maybe you're doing the same
Speaker 2: thing for your siblings. So what you think you're adding
Speaker 2: to the family, maybe you're actually hurting with possibly. And
Speaker 2: then the flip side of that is, if you don't
Speaker 2: take this job at John Deere, you will think about
Speaker 2: it for the rest of your life. Yeah, you've been
Speaker 2: dreaming about it since you were thirteen.
Speaker 3: You're going to wonder what if the fact ethan that
Speaker 3: you're writing in this question and this is weighing on
Speaker 3: your heart whether I should go. I really care about
Speaker 3: my family. It tells me for the last three years
Speaker 3: you've probably been doing everything that you needed to do boom,
Speaker 3: and it's probably time to give everybody some space and
Speaker 3: be the example that your dad would probably want you
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 2: Man Love it yep. Next question comes from Sam says, Hey, Granger,
Speaker 2: I'm currently enrolled in a seminary and an elder in
Speaker 2: my church. When writing sermons, it seems like a lot
Speaker 2: of pastors just reuse information, example, quoting a book that's
Speaker 2: not the Bible and using other people's information. Any advice
Speaker 2: on how to start thinking on my own, almost so
Speaker 2: I could give fresh looks into the Word of God.
Speaker 2: I hope this makes sense. Appreciate you, Sam, okay man.
Speaker 2: I was not expecting this kind of question.
Speaker 3: I don't write any sermons, so I'm gonna let you
Speaker 3: say this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Sam. It's really critical though, that we do
Speaker 2: talk through this. It's a good question, and I'm so
Speaker 2: glad you ask them. So God burns here is here
Speaker 2: because it's really critical because you don't need to give
Speaker 2: fresh looks into the living Word of God. You don't.
Speaker 2: That is that is the cultural pulling in you. That
Speaker 2: is what society tells you you should do. That's what
Speaker 2: you see on Instagram. But you don't need to. In fact,
Speaker 2: it's dangerous if you do, if you try to give
Speaker 2: a fresh look into you. This is your words. By
Speaker 2: the way, how could I give a fresh look into
Speaker 2: the living Word of God? If it's a living word
Speaker 2: of God, it doesn't need a fresh look. It is
Speaker 2: the truth already. And so so what do I do
Speaker 2: with this information? Well, as you start teaching or preaching,
Speaker 2: I guess that's what you're asking here. You preach expositionally,
Speaker 2: meaning you work through the Bible itself and your trust
Speaker 2: that the Word is going to not come back void,
Speaker 2: so you'll you'll decide, well, okay, let me put it.
Speaker 2: Let me put it in my shoes. For example, because
Speaker 2: I'm not a pastor. If you were a pastor, you'd
Speaker 2: work through. You'd stay like, Hey, we're going to work
Speaker 2: through the Book of Luke, and it's going to take
Speaker 2: us thirty weeks, thirty sundays, and we're going to work
Speaker 2: through Luke. And I do what I do when I
Speaker 2: go out and preach on a Sunday, like at a church,
Speaker 2: not not a conference. That's a little different. But when
Speaker 2: I go on a Sunday to a church, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: I'm going to use a text and I'm gonna exegete
Speaker 2: that text. Bernie and I've been doing this for a
Speaker 2: long time. Is Bernie will be like, hey, I want
Speaker 2: you to meditate on James one or something. But I'll
Speaker 2: look at a text, read the text, talk about the text,
Speaker 2: the historical context of the text to the to the crowd,
Speaker 2: and then walk through it line by line, giving the
Speaker 2: giving in the congregation the hears what the context that
Speaker 2: the author intended it to be. So you're looking you're
Speaker 2: looking at the world, at your congregation through the lens
Speaker 2: of the text, as opposed to what you're saying, Look
Speaker 2: at the text with the lens of the world, the
Speaker 2: fresh look of the world into the text. Don't do that.
Speaker 2: That's where you're That's where it becomes dangerous. Instead, look
Speaker 2: through the text at the world. So you're going to
Speaker 2: read the text in the context of the way it
Speaker 2: was supposed to be read and heard. Explain what the
Speaker 2: author's intent was in the text. And then after you
Speaker 2: do that, then you could start applying it to the
Speaker 2: modern hearer. After you've exegeted the text, then you apply
Speaker 2: it to the modern congregation. The fresh we'll use it there.
Speaker 2: The freshness comes after the text, not before that. Not
Speaker 2: only is that important to hear for you, but man,
Speaker 2: it's so relieving. Like you don't have to write a
Speaker 2: new tech talk every week. You don't have to come
Speaker 2: up with the fresh new series on relationships or on
Speaker 2: heartache or loss, or finances or prayer. You don't have
Speaker 2: to think of a new series. You just go our
Speaker 2: series and it could be one of those aspects I
Speaker 2: just said as the application in the text in the
Speaker 2: Book of Luke that you're working through.
Speaker 1: Man, it just.
Speaker 2: Clears your plate. It makes life so much easier for you.
Speaker 2: And what I believe you're more faithful to the Bible.
Speaker 2: When you do that, you're just walking through You're walking
Speaker 2: through Hebrews, you're walking through Luke, you're walking through First Samuel.
Speaker 2: You could decide that with the other elders and something
Speaker 2: neat that you might be able to do is go
Speaker 2: Old Testament and then the next series is the New
Speaker 2: Testament book, and then you go back to the Old
Speaker 2: Testament book, but you're working through the text and the
Speaker 2: way the author wanted you to hear it, and you're
Speaker 2: presenting that to the crowd and then applying it to
Speaker 2: their life in a fresh way that after right, I
Speaker 2: hope that makes sense, brother, But I'm encouraged. I'm encourage
Speaker 2: that you're even emailing and asking what I think is
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Speaker 2: I'm sixteen. I'm from Texas. Really love your book and
Speaker 2: your podcast. Your story is incredible. Recently found out that
Speaker 2: the one person I trusted and loved the most lied
Speaker 2: about something for a year. I had to find out
Speaker 2: from someone else. I've been asked if I'll ever be
Speaker 2: able to forgive. I've prayed about it, and I'm trying
Speaker 2: to forgive because I know it's the right thing to do,
Speaker 2: but I don't know exactly how. This hurts me a lot,
Speaker 2: and I won't be able to forget this pain. What
Speaker 2: does it mean to forgive? How can I forgive? I'm
Speaker 2: smiling because this is the most like anonymous no information
Speaker 2: kind of email. Yeah, that you could possibly write.
Speaker 3: But from somebody that's sixteen. I guarantee I wasn't asking nobody.
Speaker 3: Now do I forgive? What does it mean to forgive?
Speaker 1: At sixteen? So who to you? Anonymous?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: That's amazing.
Speaker 3: I think your thoughts that you could share that have
Speaker 3: been really helpful' listen to you in the past from
Speaker 3: you about the difference between trust and forgiveness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, when you're sixteen, this is hard, man, I
Speaker 2: mean it's hard when you're our age. And let me say,
Speaker 2: let me reread what you said. You said, I found
Speaker 2: out that the one person I trusted and loved the
Speaker 2: most lied. Okay, So you might be thinking, to Bernie's point,
Speaker 2: you might be thinking, I can't forgive them because they
Speaker 2: broke my trust. And I want to encourage you that
Speaker 2: the trust and forgiveness aren't the same thing, and they
Speaker 2: don't have to exist together at all, And same with agreement.
Speaker 2: You could forgive someone and not agree with them. You
Speaker 2: could forgive someone and not trust them. So maybe just
Speaker 2: separating those ideas first of all would be helpful for you.
Speaker 2: And remember this also, forgiveness doesn't require a certain response
Speaker 2: from them, It doesn't require reconciliation of the problem itself.
Speaker 2: This is a heart posture that we take to forgive.
Speaker 2: So to say, whatever this person did, and it's bad
Speaker 2: because you had to email this podcast, that's how bad
Speaker 2: it is. To forgive is your heart posture. Now here's
Speaker 2: the problem. This is the problem with forgiveness. It is
Speaker 2: a heart posture towards that other person. But our heart
Speaker 2: is stubborn and doesn't want to do it, and so
Speaker 2: we start with our mind. And what I'm telling you
Speaker 2: here is just things that I've tried to collect my
Speaker 2: thoughts about, because it's not like there is no facts
Speaker 2: about this, So don't think that I'm telling you facts here.
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you the way I've collected this idea.
Speaker 2: We take our mind and we we make a decision,
Speaker 2: similar to love. We make a decision I will forgive
Speaker 2: this person, and then our hearts kicks and screams as
Speaker 2: our mind is dragging it along the dirt road.
Speaker 1: I don't want to forgive, no way.
Speaker 2: They lied to me, and your mind says you don't
Speaker 2: have to trust them, and they go, but I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't like them.
Speaker 2: You don't have to agree with them, but you will
Speaker 2: forgive them. That's what we're doing. We're gonna forgive. And
Speaker 2: then I have found that when you take captive your thoughts,
Speaker 2: like the Bible says, your your heart will catch up
Speaker 2: and your heart will eventually set aflame the idea why
Speaker 2: because forgiveness is biblical. We're told to forgive. Why not
Speaker 2: so that it causes us pain or friction, because eventually
Speaker 2: we rest in that and we go, oh yeah, man,
Speaker 2: that person lied to me and I don't trust them.
Speaker 2: But it's Okay, forget I forgive them what they did.
Speaker 2: There's consequences to what they did. I'm not gonna follow
Speaker 2: this path anymore, but I forgive them, and there's healing
Speaker 2: in that for us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've like you probably have had people who have
Speaker 3: done what has happened to Anonymous, have really just hurt
Speaker 3: me in some way, broken my trust, you know, incredibly.
Speaker 1: And what I found with forgiveness.
Speaker 3: Like love, is it is not something you do once,
Speaker 3: because I will if I'm honest, I'll find my heart
Speaker 3: in a posture sometimes of like, man, I think I've
Speaker 3: talked about this before, like grace being the front door
Speaker 3: to the house of gratitude, and like.
Speaker 1: I will get to that place.
Speaker 3: But then like a week later, if I'm honest, my
Speaker 3: heart is like I don't want to forgive them. It
Speaker 3: comes back again because I'll go back into that pain.
Speaker 3: I'll feel that again, and I have to, like you said,
Speaker 3: make that decision and I'll go back to the word
Speaker 3: that is living in me and saying no, I forgive them.
Speaker 1: I'm letting that go. I'm not holding on to that.
Speaker 3: And so just an encouragement, like if you get to
Speaker 3: a place in your heart where you feel like I
Speaker 3: can forgive them, and then the next week you're like,
Speaker 3: I don't want to forgive them. It's natural, but it
Speaker 3: is like a decision and a heart posture that you
Speaker 3: may have to just continually work through.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, as you're talking, I was thinking that
Speaker 2: sometimes people will email me or DM me or something
Speaker 2: and they'll get mad at me at a question like
Speaker 2: this for not preaching the gospel. You know. It's like, well,
Speaker 2: you can't really forgive until you know that you've been forgiven.
Speaker 2: And I'll get that. I'll get that.
Speaker 3: People people will email you mad that you didn't like
Speaker 3: that's yeah, guys, would y'all chill out on gradiar a
Speaker 3: little bit? Man, Like?
Speaker 2: That's just life. That's life.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So so let me throw that critique to you and say,
Speaker 2: Anonymous says nothing about God or anything. Can can anonymous
Speaker 2: be a non believer and wholeheartedly forgive or does it? Should?
Speaker 2: It require a deeper understanding. I'll just throw that at you.
Speaker 2: There's no, I don't that's a difficult one. I don't
Speaker 2: think so.
Speaker 3: I think you've used a term before, and I'm not
Speaker 3: sure what it is, but it's like I know from
Speaker 3: experience people who have been hurt and they genuinely and
Speaker 3: I've been in close relationship with these people, they have
Speaker 3: forgiven and you you see them live with a sense
Speaker 3: of you know, contentment and forgiveness.
Speaker 1: And that's real life. I know that. You know, super
Speaker 1: churchy people would love to be.
Speaker 3: Like, well, you gotta know Jesus to really.
Speaker 2: You can't know love, you can't know forgiveness, you can't
Speaker 2: know peace, you can't know joy, you can't no hope.
Speaker 2: I get it, I get it. But yeah, but we're
Speaker 2: also images image bearers of God, all of us. Whether
Speaker 2: we reject God or love God, we are image bearers
Speaker 2: of Him and we carry these attributes in us in
Speaker 2: this life here on earth right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So to your question though, to have to be
Speaker 3: able to do that, I think so to have a
Speaker 3: deeper understanding of what forgiveness is a picture of and
Speaker 3: an ultimate picture of. Of course they're not, you know,
Speaker 3: they wouldn't understand that because they don't believe it. That's
Speaker 3: not their faith claim.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good. That's a good I like it to.
Speaker 2: All the hate is up there. Next question comes from
Speaker 2: Kurt says, Hey, Granger, a friend recommended your podcast to
Speaker 2: me a couple months ago, and I've enjoyed listening to
Speaker 2: it ever since. Thank you for all you do. I'm
Speaker 2: twenty two years old and I'm currently finishing up my MBA. Wow.
Speaker 2: I have two potential job offers for after school. One
Speaker 2: position is a good paying management position at a reputable company,
Speaker 2: but the other position is a loose a youth ministry
Speaker 2: position at a church. I'm struggling with the decision because
Speaker 2: i want to glorify God in my work and make
Speaker 2: an impact on the world around me, but I don't
Speaker 2: know what that would look like in the business world.
Speaker 2: I believe God will use me no matter what path
Speaker 2: I take, but I'm currently trying to figure out which
Speaker 2: way to go. I have tried to pursue godly counsel
Speaker 2: and guidance, but I still feel like I'm wrestling with
Speaker 2: the decision. Any advice or wisdom would be greatly appreciated.
Speaker 2: It says just a country boy from Michigan, Kurt. Okay,
Speaker 2: heavy one here, not a heavy one. It's it's worth
Speaker 2: discussing here. I'll say it that way. First of all, Kurt,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say outside looking in you, you, me
Speaker 2: and Bernie were riding together and you drop this honest
Speaker 2: and say, we've known you for a little bit and
Speaker 2: we know that you've been finishing up this NBA, we
Speaker 2: know that you have a good paying management position at
Speaker 2: a good company on the line here, and we're gonna
Speaker 2: probably say here you go to youth ministry, Like I
Speaker 2: want to dig at you like that. I want to say,
Speaker 2: are you sure? Because the thing is, if you're truly
Speaker 2: called to this position at church, you're gonna go. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm truly sure. I am afraid about it. I can't
Speaker 2: sleep at night. I really want to do it. I
Speaker 2: want to be at this youth ministry position and me
Speaker 2: and Bernie then are gonna go cool. But if you're
Speaker 2: going which do I choose, then we're gonna go hang
Speaker 2: on a second. Man, You've committed all this time to
Speaker 2: this degree. And I think so many people need to
Speaker 2: pump the brakes about ministry positions until they have really
Speaker 2: honed in on their own heart posture to God, because
Speaker 2: there is a there's a danger of this romantic idea
Speaker 2: of ministry, right, Like, maybe that's the way I glorify
Speaker 2: God better in ministry than I do in this good
Speaker 2: company position. That's a lie right off the bat. The
Speaker 2: Bible says, not everyone is called the ministry. Not all
Speaker 2: of you should be teachers, right Like, we need people
Speaker 2: in all positions. So you're gonna glorify God in any
Speaker 2: position if you're glorifying God. Okay, what you got burns, oh, Man,
Speaker 2: I know you got good influences.
Speaker 3: What was his name, Kurt, Kurt, Yeah, Kurt, I think
Speaker 3: there is. What Granger said, there's a huge there's a
Speaker 3: there's a misconception that the church is the church and
Speaker 3: if you're holy, you work in the church and you're
Speaker 3: in ministry.
Speaker 1: But the Bible talks about.
Speaker 3: Pastors equipping the saints for the purpose of ministry. That's
Speaker 3: the point of the church, guys. It's not so that
Speaker 3: you can go and be fulfilling your you know, godly duty. No,
Speaker 3: if you do that, you are supposed to be a
Speaker 3: small minority of people that are there to equip the
Speaker 3: rest of us to go into the marketplace and glorify
Speaker 3: God through whatever sphere of influence that we are in.
Speaker 3: So that's the first kind of like correction in the
Speaker 3: thought process. Then the second is man and I don't know,
Speaker 3: maybe I'm just getting old and I've been in business,
Speaker 3: successful businesses and connected with a lot of people and
Speaker 3: money and whatever, and man, I just I'm getting to
Speaker 3: the point where I just want to live. Oh my gosh, Granger,
Speaker 3: this has never happened on the podcast.
Speaker 1: Man, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I just so badly want to live a simple life.
Speaker 3: I just want to be instead of with all these
Speaker 3: people in these business decisions. I just want to be
Speaker 3: with him. I just want to know him, you know,
Speaker 3: And guys and Kurt, there's so many distractions.
Speaker 1: In this life.
Speaker 3: So just take Heed and the call that. Man, if
Speaker 3: you go that route, if you even go to the
Speaker 3: ministry route, there's gonna be so many temptations for you
Speaker 3: just to be distracted with the work instead of the
Speaker 3: purpose behind it and the relationship and he hearing his
Speaker 3: voice and knowing him.
Speaker 1: What did Jesus do more than anything?
Speaker 3: He retreated to solitude to pray with all the crowds
Speaker 3: that were trying to build his platform, and we would
Speaker 3: be like, oh, yeah, that's the promotion, that's the job,
Speaker 3: that's the dream job you're thinking of, and Jesus ran
Speaker 3: away from that. When did we get this backwards? And
Speaker 3: I've gotten it backwards for a long time, and now
Speaker 3: I'm just at a place where I'm like, man, God,
Speaker 3: what do you want me to do with this?
Speaker 1: Give it away?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: Be faithful? What and And I've just learned.
Speaker 3: That probably the answer to your question is just to
Speaker 3: retreat and pray and listen.
Speaker 1: Can we pause?
Speaker 3: Man? Good night?
Speaker 1: I don't know where this came from. Sorry, Paul, Sorry.
Speaker 3: Man, I hope that I left you a okay place
Speaker 3: to cut.
Speaker 1: And good night. I'm so sorry. Grazier.
Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you, Burns. I don't think we
Speaker 2: have to cut because it's real, it's raw, and I mean,
Speaker 2: we'll cut the podcast if you think you want to
Speaker 2: cut this podcast. But I think I think it makes
Speaker 2: it more authentic to Kurt if he hears it from you,
Speaker 2: because here he is half your age and he's going,
Speaker 2: what do I do? Here's a guy that goes, I'll
Speaker 2: tell you what to do, tell you what I would do,
Speaker 2: tell you what I'm doing now. Yeah, Kurt, I remember
Speaker 2: being twenty two. And don't don't take anything that anything
Speaker 2: is going on, the emotion's going on here at the
Speaker 2: table right now. Don't take this as a how stupid
Speaker 2: are you? That's that's not what this is, Kurt. I
Speaker 2: think you're just You're talking to two men here, both
Speaker 2: of us that have that have achieved a lot in
Speaker 2: the business world. And this is not this is not
Speaker 2: a message for you to avoid the business world and
Speaker 2: going to ministry. And that's that's the last thing I
Speaker 2: would tell you. But I would say this, and I
Speaker 2: think this is what Bernie was saying at the beginning.
Speaker 2: You're in ministry as a believer, whether you have that
Speaker 2: title on your email or not. That's what's forgotten, is
Speaker 2: that we are all called the ministry. We are all
Speaker 2: called to obedience to our Lord. We are all called
Speaker 2: to spread the word of the good News. You are
Speaker 2: an ambassador to the Christ, the Messiah, the Lord of lords,
Speaker 2: the King of kings, the one with all authority. He
Speaker 2: has been given all authority. You are an ambassador to him.
Speaker 2: There is no greater call than that. You don't have
Speaker 2: to be at a church to do it. You have
Speaker 2: to be I would hope that you're attending a church.
Speaker 2: That's not what I'm saying. But you don't have to
Speaker 2: be staffed at a church. You can. You need to
Speaker 2: go into your management positions all over the world and
Speaker 2: support the greater mission the capital see church from all places.
Speaker 2: There are no specific missions that go out worldwide without
Speaker 2: extensive support from people in secular industries. It just doesn't
Speaker 2: happen any other way. So I love you, Burns Man.
Speaker 2: That was I think that's the best thing that could
Speaker 2: have happened out of that question.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you guys have now seen me.
Speaker 1: Every kind of laughter and tear.
Speaker 3: But I yeah, I just know this last holiday season,
Speaker 3: our family was totally under committed and in a world
Speaker 3: that is wanting more and better and bigger, and we
Speaker 3: were just under committed, and we were slow and we
Speaker 3: were quiet. And guys, I have just heard God's voice
Speaker 3: clearer in that time than ever in my life. And
Speaker 3: so if you want to know what to do, if
Speaker 3: you want to know where to go, just find the quiet.
Speaker 3: I promise. This world is so loud and it's telling
Speaker 3: you a lot of lies. But if you find that,
Speaker 3: I promise that you're going to see that path clearer
Speaker 3: than you ever will. That's good.
Speaker 2: All right, A couple more questions here. This next one
Speaker 2: comes from Mac and it says, I don't know how
Speaker 2: to put this, but I'll try my best. Right now,
Speaker 2: I'm fifteen years old, about to be sixteen in May.
Speaker 2: I've been struggling with poorn since I was eleven and
Speaker 2: masturbation since I was thirteen. My parents also got divorced
Speaker 2: when I was eight, and my mother, age forty two,
Speaker 2: just died a little over a year ago when I
Speaker 2: was fourteen. I have had suicidal thoughts, but I'm currently
Speaker 2: seeing a therapist for it. I have been dealing with
Speaker 2: many more problems since a young age, but I've been
Speaker 2: trying to follow Christ just a few years now. My
Speaker 2: point is this, how do I follow Christ or get closer?
Speaker 2: After everything that has happened, I keep asking myself, why
Speaker 2: would eleven God allow this in my life? Got from mac.
Speaker 1: Man Mac.
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, boy, that's really heavy.
Speaker 1: You have you have been through.
Speaker 3: Very traumatic, what seemed to be traumatic things in your life.
Speaker 1: Where do you want to start?
Speaker 3: Griz because there's uh, there's a few different things that
Speaker 3: he's said and that he's asking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think that I could probably go
Speaker 2: this is episode two twenty two, and I could probably
Speaker 2: go every episode from now on and talk about addiction
Speaker 2: to porn and the questions I get about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what that?
Speaker 2: What does that mean. Well, first, the first thing it
Speaker 2: means for Mac is you're not alone. You're not alone
Speaker 2: in this although with that kind of addiction, it's a
Speaker 2: private addiction. It's behind closed doors. And because of that,
Speaker 2: and no one talks about it. None of your friends say, Man,
Speaker 2: I'm addicted to porn and masturbation. No, your friends don't
Speaker 2: say that.
Speaker 1: Real side note, real quick.
Speaker 3: Isn't it interesting how in the Bible it says that
Speaker 3: we need to confess our sins to one another, and
Speaker 3: we need to do our good works in secret.
Speaker 1: The opposite, but yet we do the opposite.
Speaker 3: We put all the good works on Instagram and we
Speaker 3: don't tell anybody about any of our sin.
Speaker 1: So just a side note, we may have something backwards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that seems to be a theme on this podcast,
Speaker 2: backwards things. So that's the first point I want to make, Mac,
Speaker 2: is that you're not alone, although with this kind of deception,
Speaker 2: this kind of sin, it feels like you are. And
Speaker 2: then divorce. There we go. There's the second thing. You're
Speaker 2: not alone on divorce. In fact, statistics say well over
Speaker 2: fifty percent of everyone in the world is divorced, comes
Speaker 2: from a divorce family. And then your mother age forty
Speaker 2: two died over a year ago. When you're fourteen. That
Speaker 2: is a smaller group, but that is still a group
Speaker 2: that I would say you're not alone in. Knowing that
Speaker 2: you're not alone doesn't make any of this easier. It
Speaker 2: just perhaps makes it more understandable that you are not unique, right,
Speaker 2: because uniqueness sounds like you're alone on an island and
Speaker 2: this problem that's never been had and can never be solved,
Speaker 2: and no one's ever thought about it. So that when
Speaker 2: I say you're not alone, I'm not saying easy, it's easy,
Speaker 2: you're not alone. I'm saying, look, you're not alone. That
Speaker 2: means a lot of people have done a lot of
Speaker 2: thought about this. That's good. It's kind of like when
Speaker 2: you get let me think it's something really easy, you
Speaker 2: have a problem in your car and then YouTube it
Speaker 2: and you find out there's like a thousand people telling
Speaker 2: you how to fix it on YouTube. They're like, Okay, cool,
Speaker 2: I thought this was a freak deal that happened in
Speaker 2: my car. But there's actually a lot of people explaining this.
Speaker 2: So there we go. And then the last the last
Speaker 2: thing here suicidal thoughts once again, not alone. That statistic
Speaker 2: is really high. Really high. It's probably a lot higher
Speaker 2: excuse me, a lot higher than any statistic actually shows,
Speaker 2: because people don't like to talk about it. You're seeing
Speaker 2: a therapist and then you're trying to follow Christ. You've
Speaker 2: been doing that for a few years. Your question is
Speaker 2: how do you follow Christ and get closer? After that
Speaker 2: has happened, we'll deal with that question, and then we'll
Speaker 2: deal with your last question, why would a loving God
Speaker 2: allow this in my life? Great questions, Mac, and we're
Speaker 2: going to walk through it like we're sitting around a campfire.
Speaker 2: That's what we do on this podcast. No notes, no quotes.
Speaker 2: We don't have a C. S. Lewis book sitting right
Speaker 2: here that has like the perfect quips or the perfect answers.
Speaker 2: So we've established you're not alone. We've established these are
Speaker 2: these are problems that a lot of people struggle with
Speaker 2: and probably don't even talk about. And then we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about how to follow Christ and how a
Speaker 2: loving God would allow this in your life. We'll start
Speaker 2: with the first one, Burns, how does he get how
Speaker 2: would how would one not even Mac? How would one
Speaker 2: hypothetically get closer to Christ?
Speaker 1: Oh Man? All right, what's his name again?
Speaker 2: Mac, it may see what.
Speaker 1: Was the dude that made me cry earlier?
Speaker 3: Kurt Kurt, Okay, Mac, I'm really hoping you ain't gone
Speaker 3: to a to me brother. But we talked about this
Speaker 3: off air a little while ago, like whenever somebody passes
Speaker 3: away there or maybe it was one of the questions earlier,
Speaker 3: like there's this connection that we try to make.
Speaker 1: Maybe we didn't even know.
Speaker 3: Them, you know, like the grandfather, but we know that
Speaker 3: the grandfather liked to work on cars. And every time
Speaker 3: that I go and I work on cars, I feel
Speaker 3: this like connection. Maybe I never knew him, but I've
Speaker 3: heard so much about him, or maybe I knew him
Speaker 3: and this is what we did together. And so now
Speaker 3: that he's gone, I love to go work on cars
Speaker 3: because man, I feel this connection. I feel like I
Speaker 3: still know him, Like he's there.
Speaker 1: You know what Jesus did.
Speaker 3: He suffered, and the word tells us that we can know.
Speaker 1: Him in his suffering.
Speaker 3: We can share in his suffering. And I feel like
Speaker 3: if you want to know him, if you want to
Speaker 3: know Christ, then intentionally you can find and maybe you
Speaker 3: are in this, Mac, like you can pray in your suffering,
Speaker 3: like Jesus is there with you. There is I think
Speaker 3: there is a means for you through that, not to
Speaker 3: move it away, And like I just got to focus
Speaker 3: on Jesus and I got to talk to the church.
Speaker 3: It's like no, like in that suffering, in those moments
Speaker 3: of agony and pain and hurt, it's like Jesus is there.
Speaker 3: He bore that too. And I feel like there is
Speaker 3: a way if you have that intention and you have
Speaker 3: that mindset that you can draw I think that was closer.
Speaker 3: How do you draw closer to him?
Speaker 1: How do we know.
Speaker 2: Him after everything that happened? Yeah, but you're building an
Speaker 2: argument that it's actually easier to get closer to him
Speaker 2: after that stuff happens.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Because when things are going good in your life and
Speaker 2: everything's great, you don't think about God. You think about
Speaker 2: yourself and how good things are. And so when when
Speaker 2: the Lord removes things from him, when he tightens his
Speaker 2: grip a little bit, when he lessens our oxygen intake
Speaker 2: a little bit, and we start gasping for air, we
Speaker 2: go God, where are you?
Speaker 1: Where are you?
Speaker 2: And in those moments we might say things like how
Speaker 2: do I get closer to you? And He's going I'm
Speaker 2: doing it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said, you actually six months ago you pray
Speaker 3: that you wanted to know me more. I'm answering your prayer. Yeah,
Speaker 3: this is this is quite literally how it happens. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's through suffering, and I know nobody likes that. And
Speaker 3: the other thing that I've thought of recently is we
Speaker 3: have these things that are probably outside of your control,
Speaker 3: your mom passing away.
Speaker 2: This.
Speaker 1: I lost my mom at.
Speaker 3: A young age too, and so I do understand that,
Speaker 3: and that was I didn't have any control over that.
Speaker 3: But that was a suffering and a pain that I
Speaker 3: had to go through. But Jesus knew he intentionally came
Speaker 3: to suffer ahead of time. So I think even in
Speaker 3: j for everybody out there listening, I feel like and
Speaker 3: for me, I'm almost trying to find ways, Like you've
Speaker 3: questioned me before or people have about like why do
Speaker 3: you do cold showers, why do you do ultra running?
Speaker 3: Why do you do these crazy things? And it just
Speaker 3: like recently through Philippians three ten, I was like, that's
Speaker 3: the connection. I get to know Jesus. I get to
Speaker 3: know him in his suffering. And so I'm gonna go
Speaker 3: into that. That's a song that it's one hundred and
Speaker 3: eighty degrees. Then that cold plungees forty and I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna sit in and I'm gonna be like, oh, I
Speaker 3: know it's not the Cross. I know it is not,
Speaker 3: but just a little bit a taste of it, a
Speaker 3: little bit more closer to you. I want to know
Speaker 3: you in this. And so I know it's counterculture, it's backwards,
Speaker 3: but I do believe that we we know other people
Speaker 3: through suffering with them, and I believe that we can
Speaker 3: know him and draw closer to him through the suffering
Speaker 3: that magnet be going through right now.
Speaker 2: So in snow skiing, there's the bunny run, the Greens,
Speaker 2: the Blues, the black diamonds, and the double blacks. I
Speaker 2: think you're I think you're on like a black double
Speaker 2: black diamond right now with with your walk in Christianity.
Speaker 2: And I think Max, like we need to take him
Speaker 2: to the bunny slope. He might be thinking, I don't
Speaker 2: even know who Jesus is. Yeah, you're right, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? If he's Yeah, Mac, let me back up.
Speaker 3: If you're having suicidal thoughts, he said, he's in therapy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there there there's a different mental state that a stable
Speaker 3: state that we need to encourage you to get to
Speaker 3: before you start.
Speaker 1: Thinking about all this nonsense. I was saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, don't get on the double black Diamond
Speaker 2: until you learn how to snow ski. Let's get you
Speaker 2: on the bunny slope. Okay, what Bernie's saying is all truth,
Speaker 2: and I love it. And he's in a really a
Speaker 2: really diverse of spiritual mountain right now, which is really
Speaker 2: cool to see. But if we're gonna get you on
Speaker 2: the bunny slope, and we'll first say what Bernie said,
Speaker 2: and that's a good reminder that if you are having
Speaker 2: suicidal thoughts, please seek medical attention. Okay, this, this podcast
Speaker 2: is not the end all be all. You need to
Speaker 2: seek medical attention and get help in that way. Okay,
Speaker 2: so boom, let's establish that. Second, let's get on the
Speaker 2: bunny slope with Jesus, which eventually will trump everything that,
Speaker 2: all the therapy and all the medical help. He will
Speaker 2: trump all of that. But you need to get to
Speaker 2: know him. You need to know who he is. When
Speaker 2: you know who he is, you no longer say things
Speaker 2: like why would a loving God allow this in my life?
Speaker 2: I don't think you know this loving God, And in fact,
Speaker 2: I know that you don't. And I don't say that
Speaker 2: to insult you. I just I know from your email
Speaker 2: that you don't, and I want you to desperately, I
Speaker 2: really want you to, Mac And this is going to
Speaker 2: start with a couple of ways. It's going to start
Speaker 2: with knowing Him, knowing the Gospel, reading His word, going
Speaker 2: to church. And I'm not trying to stack up a
Speaker 2: to do list for you, a grocery list. That's not
Speaker 2: what I'm trying to do. But there are a lot
Speaker 2: of ways to attack this, and I think it probably
Speaker 2: with this conversation starts with the Gospel. So let me
Speaker 2: let me tell you the gospel, because the Bible says
Speaker 2: that those who hear it there is transformational power in it.
Speaker 2: The power of God lives in this message. It appeals
Speaker 2: to your conscience in a way that your your social
Speaker 2: mind tries to reject it. This appeals to your conscience
Speaker 2: in a way that we cannot understand because we were
Speaker 2: created by a God. With this story. Okay, so the
Speaker 2: gospel starts with God, all knowing, all powerful, all loving.
Speaker 2: This God creates. I mean that idea alone, like just
Speaker 2: stop there and just think about it. For a second, God,
Speaker 2: who needs nothing, who exists in eternal past. He was
Speaker 2: not created, he does not have a beginning, and he
Speaker 2: decides out of his love he's going to create. So
Speaker 2: he creates man in his own image. He creates everything,
Speaker 2: but we're the only thing of all the things in
Speaker 2: his image. And early on we reject him. We inherit
Speaker 2: that sin from all of our ancestors, the sin of
Speaker 2: rejection to God. We rebel against him, and that manifests
Speaker 2: itself in all kinds of ways. We are sinners. Now.
Speaker 2: We feel sorry for ourselves, and we'd like to change
Speaker 2: that name to like scars and and you know, like
Speaker 2: problems that happened to us, you know, like wounds, wounds
Speaker 2: and scars. We like to say, but the truth is
Speaker 2: it's a sin. It's a rejection of God himself, and
Speaker 2: in that we have separated ourselves from God. Isaiah fifty
Speaker 2: nine to two says, your iniquities have separated you from
Speaker 2: your God, and your sins have hidden his face from
Speaker 2: you so that he does not hear. So he has
Speaker 2: separated from you because of your sin. That's what your
Speaker 2: sin has done. And the reason I say it that
Speaker 2: way is because we like to think of our sin
Speaker 2: as like, please, God, I got this sin. Will you
Speaker 2: come heal me and make it better for me. God
Speaker 2: knows that he sins Jesus who says, I didn't come
Speaker 2: just to make it better for you. I came to
Speaker 2: reconcile your relationship with God because you can't do it.
Speaker 2: I come to bring you, to tear down that separation
Speaker 2: and bring you to God. That's why Jesus came to
Speaker 2: reconcile sinners, to bring them to God, sinners that cannot
Speaker 2: do it on our own, because we're imperfect beings. So
Speaker 2: God sinds his son, which we call this is a
Speaker 2: big word, the incarnation. He comes to earth, lives the
Speaker 2: perfect life in a way that we couldn't. And what
Speaker 2: do we do. We kill him. We send him to
Speaker 2: the cross. He dies on the cross as a replacement
Speaker 2: for our sins. He kills sin on the cross. He
Speaker 2: takes it upon himself on his body. He takes our
Speaker 2: sins on his body and bears it himself on the cross.
Speaker 2: And then three days later he's resurrected from the dead.
Speaker 2: And he says, anyone who looks to me, anyone who
Speaker 2: looks upon me, who believes in me, turns from themselves?
Speaker 2: Who turns from their poor, pitiful selves? That's always worried
Speaker 2: about how am I going to overcome poor? How am
Speaker 2: I going to overcome masturbation? How am I going to
Speaker 2: overcome I'm the loss of my family. Oh I'm so
Speaker 2: I just want to be I want me, me, me,
Speaker 2: He says. You turn from that, turn to me, Believe
Speaker 2: in me, and I will restore you. I will redeem you,
Speaker 2: I will heal you. I will adopt you as a
Speaker 2: son to the Kingdom of God. That's what Jesus came
Speaker 2: to do. So my invitation to you right now, Mac,
Speaker 2: is that you hear those words and you respond to
Speaker 2: them in a way because those words do not call indifference.
Speaker 2: It's like this. It's like me saying, hey, Mac, you
Speaker 2: have a heart disease, that it will kill you, you
Speaker 2: will die. You need a heart transplant. I'm a doctor
Speaker 2: telling you you need a heart transplant. That kind of
Speaker 2: news demands a response. You cannot be indifferent to that, Riachon.
Speaker 2: You can't go, well, I don't know, I don't know, doc,
Speaker 2: It's yes or no, right, And so that the gospel
Speaker 2: does the same thing. You have a disease that will
Speaker 2: kill you. Here's the cure. Jesus is the cure. He
Speaker 2: reconciles you to God. So my challenge to you, because
Speaker 2: you asked the question, how do I fall across and
Speaker 2: get closer? You asked the question, My challenges you to you.
Speaker 2: It's tonight, Mac you get down on your knees alone
Speaker 2: in a quiet place. You got it. I know I
Speaker 2: don't pray very often. In fact, I don't really even
Speaker 2: know how. But I listened to this podcast and I
Speaker 2: heard granger and burning. They were getting really emotional, and
Speaker 2: they were telling me about what Jesus did on the
Speaker 2: cross and telling me that I don't have to be
Speaker 2: a good person to get to you. I just need
Speaker 2: to put all my trust in you that you did
Speaker 2: the work for me. And then after that, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: feel this peace. I'm gonna feel this. I'm gonna feel this,
Speaker 2: this love from your grace that goes and kills this masturbation,
Speaker 2: that kills this weird guilt that I have in my
Speaker 2: life that wants to take my life, my own life away.
Speaker 2: That's what I heard. And God, I want to believe that.
Speaker 2: I want that open my heart so that I believe it.
Speaker 2: Open my eyes to this word.
Speaker 1: Do this? What do I do?
Speaker 2: God? I want to follow you. I want to know
Speaker 2: why a loving God would allow this stuff in my life?
Speaker 2: Are you a loving God? I believe that you are.
Speaker 2: This is the kind of prayer I want him to
Speaker 2: have tonight as he hears this podcast. That's my challenge
Speaker 2: to you, Mac, And you can go one of two ways.
Speaker 2: You could do it, or you can go I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know about it. I don't know about all stuff,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna tell you cannot be indifferent to a
Speaker 2: doctor telling you you need a heart transplant? Why would
Speaker 2: a loving God? Last question, why would a loving God
Speaker 2: allow this in Max's life? Do you have an answer
Speaker 2: for that? Burns oh Man, I mean you kind of
Speaker 2: said it earlier.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I'm trying to think of where Max coming
Speaker 3: from with that question. Those two questions.
Speaker 2: Back to back, it's a struggle.
Speaker 3: It's almost like, if he takes your advice, I'm happy
Speaker 3: to answer, you can answer, But I feel like if
Speaker 3: you take Granger's advice on the first one, you'll probably
Speaker 3: find the answer to the second one.
Speaker 2: That's good. Yeah, yeah, you worry about that kind of
Speaker 2: stuff less when you understand the first part. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: because what Burns is saying is when you stand on truth,
Speaker 2: when you know the truth. As God has revealed himself
Speaker 2: in the Bible, we know that he is good. We
Speaker 2: know that he is all powerful, all purposing. We know
Speaker 2: that He also mourns with those who mourn, weeps with
Speaker 2: those who weep. We know that he hates. Listen to this,
Speaker 2: A lot of people go, God doesn't hate, yes, mac
Speaker 2: God hates this sin. He hates this idea of you
Speaker 2: and your suicidal thoughts. He hates that you hurt. You're
Speaker 2: made in his image. He hates that you hurt. He
Speaker 2: hates this porn addiction, he hates this masturbation addiction. And
Speaker 2: he offers you truth, and he offers you love, and
Speaker 2: he says that he's good. He self reveals himself is good,
Speaker 2: and so we trust God. You're good, You're holy, You're
Speaker 2: different than me. I can't understand your ways. So the
Speaker 2: fact that I can't understand where I am in my
Speaker 2: life right now, I can understand that you are good,
Speaker 2: and you work things to the counsel of your own
Speaker 2: will for the purpose of your own good, which is
Speaker 2: ultimately the purpose of all of our good because if
Speaker 2: it's good for God, it eventually is good for us. Look,
Speaker 2: that's not that difficult. That might sound crazy, it's not
Speaker 2: that difficult to understand when you look at it in
Speaker 2: terms of a child. We are children compared to him.
Speaker 2: We know nothing. It's like I've said this before, me
Speaker 2: taking my kids to a man that straps them to
Speaker 2: the chair and performs painful things on them. Later to
Speaker 2: find out I was just taking them to the dentist,
Speaker 2: and they think I'm evil and horrible to do this
Speaker 2: to them. In fact, pay someone to do that. It's
Speaker 2: a dentist.
Speaker 3: Who would put their kid through that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the same.
Speaker 2: It's the same. We could go on and on. We've
Speaker 2: got a little extra on this podcast, if not even
Speaker 2: gonna get to the last question, because this has been
Speaker 2: something man, this is.
Speaker 1: Too too emotionally. Is that the words you're looking for?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: I appreciate you guys out there bearing with me, y'all.
Speaker 2: Before we started burning, I prayed, We prayed for the
Speaker 2: words of this podcast, and I still I still don't
Speaker 2: know as I look back on what we've said, I
Speaker 2: don't know what we said that is helpful or if
Speaker 2: we said it the right way. But I just trust
Speaker 2: that God takes this and his word does not return voids.
Speaker 2: So we love y'all. Thanks for hitting us hard with
Speaker 2: some really good questions and we'll see you next moment.
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