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Speaker 2: Man, oh Man, Kurt, I hope that I.

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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry man.

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Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you, Burns. I don't think we

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Speaker 2: have to cut. Welcome back to the podcast. Y'all. Interesting

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Speaker 2: podcast today, don't I don't think you know this, Bernie,

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Speaker 2: but it is January twenty second is the day this

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Speaker 2: comes out. And this is episode too twenty two. WHOA

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Speaker 2: a lot of two's going on in today's episode two

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Speaker 2: to two with two people on one two with two people. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Bernie Calcut, one of my favorite guests, probably my original guest.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. You've been on more than anybody combined.

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Speaker 2: And what we do here, man, we just answer your questions.

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Speaker 2: You email podcast at grangersmith dot com ask anything. And

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Speaker 2: I don't know. As we're recording this, after we finished,

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Speaker 2: this podcast is like you go to lunch with us, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and you say, hey, guys, did I run something by you?

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Speaker 2: Because that's what we're going to do at lunch today. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: no doubt right, So email podcast at grangersmith dot com.

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Speaker 2: We're going to get right to it. The first question

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Speaker 2: I don't miss it. Thank you, Ethan. Yeah, episode two

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Speaker 2: I could definitely feel this. I know Burns can actually Paul,

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Speaker 2: the guy that edits this, he lost his dad just

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Speaker 2: You can't know love, you can't know forgiveness, you can't

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Speaker 3: an ultimate picture of. Of course they're not, you know,

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Speaker 3: they wouldn't understand that because they don't believe it. That's

434
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Speaker 3: not their faith claim.

435
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good. That's a good I like it to.

436
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 2: All the hate is up there. Next question comes from

437
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: Kurt says, Hey, Granger, a friend recommended your podcast to

438
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 2: me a couple months ago, and I've enjoyed listening to

439
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 2: it ever since. Thank you for all you do. I'm

440
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,719
Speaker 2: twenty two years old and I'm currently finishing up my MBA. Wow.

441
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 2: I have two potential job offers for after school. One

442
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 2: position is a good paying management position at a reputable company,

443
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Speaker 2: but the other position is a loose a youth ministry

444
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: position at a church. I'm struggling with the decision because

445
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 2: i want to glorify God in my work and make

446
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 2: an impact on the world around me, but I don't

447
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 2: know what that would look like in the business world.

448
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: I believe God will use me no matter what path

449
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Speaker 2: I take, but I'm currently trying to figure out which

450
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Speaker 2: way to go. I have tried to pursue godly counsel

451
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Speaker 2: and guidance, but I still feel like I'm wrestling with

452
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Speaker 2: the decision. Any advice or wisdom would be greatly appreciated.

453
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 2: It says just a country boy from Michigan, Kurt. Okay,

454
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: heavy one here, not a heavy one. It's it's worth

455
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 2: discussing here. I'll say it that way. First of all, Kurt,

456
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say outside looking in you, you, me

457
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 2: and Bernie were riding together and you drop this honest

458
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 2: and say, we've known you for a little bit and

459
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,959
Speaker 2: we know that you've been finishing up this NBA, we

460
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 2: know that you have a good paying management position at

461
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 2: a good company on the line here, and we're gonna

462
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: probably say here you go to youth ministry, Like I

463
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 2: want to dig at you like that. I want to say,

464
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: are you sure? Because the thing is, if you're truly

465
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 2: called to this position at church, you're gonna go. Yeah,

466
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 2: I'm truly sure. I am afraid about it. I can't

467
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: sleep at night. I really want to do it. I

468
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 2: want to be at this youth ministry position and me

469
00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: and Bernie then are gonna go cool. But if you're

470
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Speaker 2: going which do I choose, then we're gonna go hang

471
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Speaker 2: on a second. Man, You've committed all this time to

472
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 2: this degree. And I think so many people need to

473
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 2: pump the brakes about ministry positions until they have really

474
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: honed in on their own heart posture to God, because

475
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 2: there is a there's a danger of this romantic idea

476
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 2: of ministry, right, Like, maybe that's the way I glorify

477
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: God better in ministry than I do in this good

478
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: company position. That's a lie right off the bat. The

479
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: Bible says, not everyone is called the ministry. Not all

480
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: of you should be teachers, right Like, we need people

481
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: in all positions. So you're gonna glorify God in any

482
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: position if you're glorifying God. Okay, what you got burns, oh, Man,

483
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: I know you got good influences.

484
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Speaker 3: What was his name, Kurt, Kurt, Yeah, Kurt, I think

485
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Speaker 3: there is. What Granger said, there's a huge there's a

486
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 3: there's a misconception that the church is the church and

487
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Speaker 3: if you're holy, you work in the church and you're

488
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Speaker 3: in ministry.

489
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Speaker 1: But the Bible talks about.

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Speaker 3: Pastors equipping the saints for the purpose of ministry. That's

491
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 3: the point of the church, guys. It's not so that

492
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 3: you can go and be fulfilling your you know, godly duty. No,

493
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 3: if you do that, you are supposed to be a

494
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 3: small minority of people that are there to equip the

495
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 3: rest of us to go into the marketplace and glorify

496
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 3: God through whatever sphere of influence that we are in.

497
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Speaker 3: So that's the first kind of like correction in the

498
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Speaker 3: thought process. Then the second is man and I don't know,

499
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 3: maybe I'm just getting old and I've been in business,

500
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 3: successful businesses and connected with a lot of people and

501
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 3: money and whatever, and man, I just I'm getting to

502
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 3: the point where I just want to live. Oh my gosh, Granger,

503
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 3: this has never happened on the podcast.

504
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: Man, I'm sorry.

505
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 3: I just so badly want to live a simple life.

506
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 3: I just want to be instead of with all these

507
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 3: people in these business decisions. I just want to be

508
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 3: with him. I just want to know him, you know,

509
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 3: And guys and Kurt, there's so many distractions.

510
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: In this life.

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Speaker 3: So just take Heed and the call that. Man, if

512
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 3: you go that route, if you even go to the

513
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,479
Speaker 3: ministry route, there's gonna be so many temptations for you

514
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 3: just to be distracted with the work instead of the

515
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 3: purpose behind it and the relationship and he hearing his

516
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 3: voice and knowing him.

517
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: What did Jesus do more than anything?

518
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 3: He retreated to solitude to pray with all the crowds

519
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 3: that were trying to build his platform, and we would

520
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 3: be like, oh, yeah, that's the promotion, that's the job,

521
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 3: that's the dream job you're thinking of, and Jesus ran

522
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 3: away from that. When did we get this backwards? And

523
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 3: I've gotten it backwards for a long time, and now

524
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 3: I'm just at a place where I'm like, man, God,

525
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 3: what do you want me to do with this?

526
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: Give it away?

527
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 2: Well?

528
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: Be faithful? What and And I've just learned.

529
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 3: That probably the answer to your question is just to

530
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,959
Speaker 3: retreat and pray and listen.

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Speaker 1: Can we pause?

532
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 3: Man? Good night?

533
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: I don't know where this came from. Sorry, Paul, Sorry.

534
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 3: Man, I hope that I left you a okay place

535
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 3: to cut.

536
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: And good night. I'm so sorry. Grazier.

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Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you, Burns. I don't think we

538
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: have to cut because it's real, it's raw, and I mean,

539
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 2: we'll cut the podcast if you think you want to

540
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: cut this podcast. But I think I think it makes

541
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 2: it more authentic to Kurt if he hears it from you,

542
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 2: because here he is half your age and he's going,

543
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: what do I do? Here's a guy that goes, I'll

544
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 2: tell you what to do, tell you what I would do,

545
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: tell you what I'm doing now. Yeah, Kurt, I remember

546
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: being twenty two. And don't don't take anything that anything

547
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 2: is going on, the emotion's going on here at the

548
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 2: table right now. Don't take this as a how stupid

549
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 2: are you? That's that's not what this is, Kurt. I

550
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 2: think you're just You're talking to two men here, both

551
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 2: of us that have that have achieved a lot in

552
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: the business world. And this is not this is not

553
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: a message for you to avoid the business world and

554
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 2: going to ministry. And that's that's the last thing I

555
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: would tell you. But I would say this, and I

556
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 2: think this is what Bernie was saying at the beginning.

557
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 2: You're in ministry as a believer, whether you have that

558
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 2: title on your email or not. That's what's forgotten, is

559
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: that we are all called the ministry. We are all

560
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 2: called to obedience to our Lord. We are all called

561
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 2: to spread the word of the good News. You are

562
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: an ambassador to the Christ, the Messiah, the Lord of lords,

563
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 2: the King of kings, the one with all authority. He

564
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: has been given all authority. You are an ambassador to him.

565
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 2: There is no greater call than that. You don't have

566
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 2: to be at a church to do it. You have

567
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: to be I would hope that you're attending a church.

568
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: That's not what I'm saying. But you don't have to

569
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 2: be staffed at a church. You can. You need to

570
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: go into your management positions all over the world and

571
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: support the greater mission the capital see church from all places.

572
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 2: There are no specific missions that go out worldwide without

573
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: extensive support from people in secular industries. It just doesn't

574
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 2: happen any other way. So I love you, Burns Man.

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00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,479
Speaker 2: That was I think that's the best thing that could

576
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 2: have happened out of that question.

577
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you guys have now seen me.

578
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: Every kind of laughter and tear.

579
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 3: But I yeah, I just know this last holiday season,

580
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 3: our family was totally under committed and in a world

581
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 3: that is wanting more and better and bigger, and we

582
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 3: were just under committed, and we were slow and we

583
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 3: were quiet. And guys, I have just heard God's voice

584
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 3: clearer in that time than ever in my life. And

585
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 3: so if you want to know what to do, if

586
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 3: you want to know where to go, just find the quiet.

587
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 3: I promise. This world is so loud and it's telling

588
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 3: you a lot of lies. But if you find that,

589
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 3: I promise that you're going to see that path clearer

590
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 3: than you ever will. That's good.

591
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: All right, A couple more questions here. This next one

592
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 2: comes from Mac and it says, I don't know how

593
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 2: to put this, but I'll try my best. Right now,

594
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 2: I'm fifteen years old, about to be sixteen in May.

595
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 2: I've been struggling with poorn since I was eleven and

596
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 2: masturbation since I was thirteen. My parents also got divorced

597
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 2: when I was eight, and my mother, age forty two,

598
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 2: just died a little over a year ago when I

599
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: was fourteen. I have had suicidal thoughts, but I'm currently

600
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: seeing a therapist for it. I have been dealing with

601
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: many more problems since a young age, but I've been

602
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: trying to follow Christ just a few years now. My

603
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 2: point is this, how do I follow Christ or get closer?

604
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 2: After everything that has happened, I keep asking myself, why

605
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: would eleven God allow this in my life? Got from mac.

606
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: Man Mac.

607
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, boy, that's really heavy.

608
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: You have you have been through.

609
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 3: Very traumatic, what seemed to be traumatic things in your life.

610
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: Where do you want to start?

611
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 3: Griz because there's uh, there's a few different things that

612
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 3: he's said and that he's asking.

613
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think that I could probably go

614
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: this is episode two twenty two, and I could probably

615
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 2: go every episode from now on and talk about addiction

616
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: to porn and the questions I get about it.

617
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So what that?

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Speaker 2: What does that mean. Well, first, the first thing it

619
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: means for Mac is you're not alone. You're not alone

620
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: in this although with that kind of addiction, it's a

621
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 2: private addiction. It's behind closed doors. And because of that,

622
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 2: and no one talks about it. None of your friends say, Man,

623
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: I'm addicted to porn and masturbation. No, your friends don't

624
00:38:58,520 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 2: say that.

625
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: Real side note, real quick.

626
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 3: Isn't it interesting how in the Bible it says that

627
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 3: we need to confess our sins to one another, and

628
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 3: we need to do our good works in secret.

629
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: The opposite, but yet we do the opposite.

630
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 3: We put all the good works on Instagram and we

631
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 3: don't tell anybody about any of our sin.

632
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 1: So just a side note, we may have something backwards.

633
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that seems to be a theme on this podcast,

634
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 2: backwards things. So that's the first point I want to make, Mac,

635
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: is that you're not alone, although with this kind of deception,

636
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: this kind of sin, it feels like you are. And

637
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 2: then divorce. There we go. There's the second thing. You're

638
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 2: not alone on divorce. In fact, statistics say well over

639
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: fifty percent of everyone in the world is divorced, comes

640
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 2: from a divorce family. And then your mother age forty

641
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 2: two died over a year ago. When you're fourteen. That

642
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 2: is a smaller group, but that is still a group

643
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 2: that I would say you're not alone in. Knowing that

644
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: you're not alone doesn't make any of this easier. It

645
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 2: just perhaps makes it more understandable that you are not unique, right,

646
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 2: because uniqueness sounds like you're alone on an island and

647
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 2: this problem that's never been had and can never be solved,

648
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 2: and no one's ever thought about it. So that when

649
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: I say you're not alone, I'm not saying easy, it's easy,

650
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: you're not alone. I'm saying, look, you're not alone. That

651
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: means a lot of people have done a lot of

652
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 2: thought about this. That's good. It's kind of like when

653
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 2: you get let me think it's something really easy, you

654
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: have a problem in your car and then YouTube it

655
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: and you find out there's like a thousand people telling

656
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 2: you how to fix it on YouTube. They're like, Okay, cool,

657
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 2: I thought this was a freak deal that happened in

658
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 2: my car. But there's actually a lot of people explaining this.

659
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: So there we go. And then the last the last

660
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 2: thing here suicidal thoughts once again, not alone. That statistic

661
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 2: is really high. Really high. It's probably a lot higher

662
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 2: excuse me, a lot higher than any statistic actually shows,

663
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 2: because people don't like to talk about it. You're seeing

664
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: a therapist and then you're trying to follow Christ. You've

665
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 2: been doing that for a few years. Your question is

666
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: how do you follow Christ and get closer? After that

667
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 2: has happened, we'll deal with that question, and then we'll

668
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 2: deal with your last question, why would a loving God

669
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: allow this in my life? Great questions, Mac, and we're

670
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: going to walk through it like we're sitting around a campfire.

671
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 2: That's what we do on this podcast. No notes, no quotes.

672
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: We don't have a C. S. Lewis book sitting right

673
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: here that has like the perfect quips or the perfect answers.

674
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 2: So we've established you're not alone. We've established these are

675
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: these are problems that a lot of people struggle with

676
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 2: and probably don't even talk about. And then we're going

677
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: to talk about how to follow Christ and how a

678
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 2: loving God would allow this in your life. We'll start

679
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 2: with the first one, Burns, how does he get how

680
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 2: would how would one not even Mac? How would one

681
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: hypothetically get closer to Christ?

682
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: Oh Man? All right, what's his name again?

683
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 2: Mac, it may see what.

684
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: Was the dude that made me cry earlier?

685
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 3: Kurt Kurt, Okay, Mac, I'm really hoping you ain't gone

686
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 3: to a to me brother. But we talked about this

687
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 3: off air a little while ago, like whenever somebody passes

688
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 3: away there or maybe it was one of the questions earlier,

689
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 3: like there's this connection that we try to make.

690
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: Maybe we didn't even know.

691
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 3: Them, you know, like the grandfather, but we know that

692
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 3: the grandfather liked to work on cars. And every time

693
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 3: that I go and I work on cars, I feel

694
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 3: this like connection. Maybe I never knew him, but I've

695
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 3: heard so much about him, or maybe I knew him

696
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: and this is what we did together. And so now

697
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 3: that he's gone, I love to go work on cars

698
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 3: because man, I feel this connection. I feel like I

699
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 3: still know him, Like he's there.

700
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 1: You know what Jesus did.

701
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 3: He suffered, and the word tells us that we can know.

702
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: Him in his suffering.

703
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 3: We can share in his suffering. And I feel like

704
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 3: if you want to know him, if you want to

705
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 3: know Christ, then intentionally you can find and maybe you

706
00:43:55,280 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 3: are in this, Mac, like you can pray in your suffering,

707
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 3: like Jesus is there with you. There is I think

708
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 3: there is a means for you through that, not to

709
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 3: move it away, And like I just got to focus

710
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 3: on Jesus and I got to talk to the church.

711
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 3: It's like no, like in that suffering, in those moments

712
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 3: of agony and pain and hurt, it's like Jesus is there.

713
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 3: He bore that too. And I feel like there is

714
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 3: a way if you have that intention and you have

715
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 3: that mindset that you can draw I think that was closer.

716
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 3: How do you draw closer to him?

717
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: How do we know.

718
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 2: Him after everything that happened? Yeah, but you're building an

719
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 2: argument that it's actually easier to get closer to him

720
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 2: after that stuff happens.

721
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, one hundred percent.

722
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: Because when things are going good in your life and

723
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 2: everything's great, you don't think about God. You think about

724
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 2: yourself and how good things are. And so when when

725
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 2: the Lord removes things from him, when he tightens his

726
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 2: grip a little bit, when he lessens our oxygen intake

727
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: a little bit, and we start gasping for air, we

728
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: go God, where are you?

729
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: Where are you?

730
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: And in those moments we might say things like how

731
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 2: do I get closer to you? And He's going I'm

732
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: doing it.

733
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said, you actually six months ago you pray

734
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 3: that you wanted to know me more. I'm answering your prayer. Yeah,

735
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 3: this is this is quite literally how it happens. Yeah,

736
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 3: it's through suffering, and I know nobody likes that. And

737
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 3: the other thing that I've thought of recently is we

738
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 3: have these things that are probably outside of your control,

739
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:39,919
Speaker 3: your mom passing away.

740
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 2: This.

741
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: I lost my mom at.

742
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 3: A young age too, and so I do understand that,

743
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 3: and that was I didn't have any control over that.

744
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 3: But that was a suffering and a pain that I

745
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 3: had to go through. But Jesus knew he intentionally came

746
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 3: to suffer ahead of time. So I think even in

747
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 3: j for everybody out there listening, I feel like and

748
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 3: for me, I'm almost trying to find ways, Like you've

749
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 3: questioned me before or people have about like why do

750
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 3: you do cold showers, why do you do ultra running?

751
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 3: Why do you do these crazy things? And it just

752
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 3: like recently through Philippians three ten, I was like, that's

753
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 3: the connection. I get to know Jesus. I get to

754
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 3: know him in his suffering. And so I'm gonna go

755
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 3: into that. That's a song that it's one hundred and

756
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 3: eighty degrees. Then that cold plungees forty and I'm just

757
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 3: gonna sit in and I'm gonna be like, oh, I

758
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 3: know it's not the Cross. I know it is not,

759
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 3: but just a little bit a taste of it, a

760
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 3: little bit more closer to you. I want to know

761
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 3: you in this. And so I know it's counterculture, it's backwards,

762
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 3: but I do believe that we we know other people

763
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 3: through suffering with them, and I believe that we can

764
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 3: know him and draw closer to him through the suffering

765
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:00,919
Speaker 3: that magnet be going through right now.

766
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 2: So in snow skiing, there's the bunny run, the Greens,

767
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: the Blues, the black diamonds, and the double blacks. I

768
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: think you're I think you're on like a black double

769
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: black diamond right now with with your walk in Christianity.

770
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 2: And I think Max, like we need to take him

771
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: to the bunny slope. He might be thinking, I don't

772
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: even know who Jesus is. Yeah, you're right, you know

773
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: what I mean? If he's Yeah, Mac, let me back up.

774
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 3: If you're having suicidal thoughts, he said, he's in therapy. Yeah,

775
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 3: there there there's a different mental state that a stable

776
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 3: state that we need to encourage you to get to

777
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 3: before you start.

778
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: Thinking about all this nonsense. I was saying.

779
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, don't get on the double black Diamond

780
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 2: until you learn how to snow ski. Let's get you

781
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 2: on the bunny slope. Okay, what Bernie's saying is all truth,

782
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 2: and I love it. And he's in a really a

783
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: really diverse of spiritual mountain right now, which is really

784
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 2: cool to see. But if we're gonna get you on

785
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 2: the bunny slope, and we'll first say what Bernie said,

786
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 2: and that's a good reminder that if you are having

787
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 2: suicidal thoughts, please seek medical attention. Okay, this, this podcast

788
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 2: is not the end all be all. You need to

789
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 2: seek medical attention and get help in that way. Okay,

790
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 2: so boom, let's establish that. Second, let's get on the

791
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: bunny slope with Jesus, which eventually will trump everything that,

792
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 2: all the therapy and all the medical help. He will

793
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: trump all of that. But you need to get to

794
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 2: know him. You need to know who he is. When

795
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 2: you know who he is, you no longer say things

796
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,479
Speaker 2: like why would a loving God allow this in my life?

797
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 2: I don't think you know this loving God, And in fact,

798
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 2: I know that you don't. And I don't say that

799
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 2: to insult you. I just I know from your email

800
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: that you don't, and I want you to desperately, I

801
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 2: really want you to, Mac And this is going to

802
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 2: start with a couple of ways. It's going to start

803
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 2: with knowing Him, knowing the Gospel, reading His word, going

804
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 2: to church. And I'm not trying to stack up a

805
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 2: to do list for you, a grocery list. That's not

806
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 2: what I'm trying to do. But there are a lot

807
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 2: of ways to attack this, and I think it probably

808
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: with this conversation starts with the Gospel. So let me

809
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 2: let me tell you the gospel, because the Bible says

810
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 2: that those who hear it there is transformational power in it.

811
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 2: The power of God lives in this message. It appeals

812
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 2: to your conscience in a way that your your social

813
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 2: mind tries to reject it. This appeals to your conscience

814
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 2: in a way that we cannot understand because we were

815
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 2: created by a God. With this story. Okay, so the

816
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 2: gospel starts with God, all knowing, all powerful, all loving.

817
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 2: This God creates. I mean that idea alone, like just

818
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 2: stop there and just think about it. For a second, God,

819
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 2: who needs nothing, who exists in eternal past. He was

820
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 2: not created, he does not have a beginning, and he

821
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 2: decides out of his love he's going to create. So

822
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 2: he creates man in his own image. He creates everything,

823
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 2: but we're the only thing of all the things in

824
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 2: his image. And early on we reject him. We inherit

825
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 2: that sin from all of our ancestors, the sin of

826
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 2: rejection to God. We rebel against him, and that manifests

827
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 2: itself in all kinds of ways. We are sinners. Now.

828
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: We feel sorry for ourselves, and we'd like to change

829
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 2: that name to like scars and and you know, like

830
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 2: problems that happened to us, you know, like wounds, wounds

831
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 2: and scars. We like to say, but the truth is

832
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: it's a sin. It's a rejection of God himself, and

833
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 2: in that we have separated ourselves from God. Isaiah fifty

834
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 2: nine to two says, your iniquities have separated you from

835
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 2: your God, and your sins have hidden his face from

836
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 2: you so that he does not hear. So he has

837
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 2: separated from you because of your sin. That's what your

838
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: sin has done. And the reason I say it that

839
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: way is because we like to think of our sin

840
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 2: as like, please, God, I got this sin. Will you

841
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 2: come heal me and make it better for me. God

842
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,439
Speaker 2: knows that he sins Jesus who says, I didn't come

843
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 2: just to make it better for you. I came to

844
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 2: reconcile your relationship with God because you can't do it.

845
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: I come to bring you, to tear down that separation

846
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 2: and bring you to God. That's why Jesus came to

847
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 2: reconcile sinners, to bring them to God, sinners that cannot

848
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 2: do it on our own, because we're imperfect beings. So

849
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 2: God sinds his son, which we call this is a

850
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 2: big word, the incarnation. He comes to earth, lives the

851
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 2: perfect life in a way that we couldn't. And what

852
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 2: do we do. We kill him. We send him to

853
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:29,879
Speaker 2: the cross. He dies on the cross as a replacement

854
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 2: for our sins. He kills sin on the cross. He

855
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 2: takes it upon himself on his body. He takes our

856
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 2: sins on his body and bears it himself on the cross.

857
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 2: And then three days later he's resurrected from the dead.

858
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 2: And he says, anyone who looks to me, anyone who

859
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 2: looks upon me, who believes in me, turns from themselves?

860
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 2: Who turns from their poor, pitiful selves? That's always worried

861
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 2: about how am I going to overcome poor? How am

862
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 2: I going to overcome masturbation? How am I going to

863
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 2: overcome I'm the loss of my family. Oh I'm so

864
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 2: I just want to be I want me, me, me,

865
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 2: He says. You turn from that, turn to me, Believe

866
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 2: in me, and I will restore you. I will redeem you,

867
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 2: I will heal you. I will adopt you as a

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00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 2: son to the Kingdom of God. That's what Jesus came

869
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 2: to do. So my invitation to you right now, Mac,

870
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 2: is that you hear those words and you respond to

871
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 2: them in a way because those words do not call indifference.

872
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 2: It's like this. It's like me saying, hey, Mac, you

873
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 2: have a heart disease, that it will kill you, you

874
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 2: will die. You need a heart transplant. I'm a doctor

875
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 2: telling you you need a heart transplant. That kind of

876
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 2: news demands a response. You cannot be indifferent to that, Riachon.

877
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 2: You can't go, well, I don't know, I don't know, doc,

878
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 2: It's yes or no, right, And so that the gospel

879
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 2: does the same thing. You have a disease that will

880
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 2: kill you. Here's the cure. Jesus is the cure. He

881
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 2: reconciles you to God. So my challenge to you, because

882
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 2: you asked the question, how do I fall across and

883
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 2: get closer? You asked the question, My challenges you to you.

884
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 2: It's tonight, Mac you get down on your knees alone

885
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 2: in a quiet place. You got it. I know I

886
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 2: don't pray very often. In fact, I don't really even

887
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 2: know how. But I listened to this podcast and I

888
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 2: heard granger and burning. They were getting really emotional, and

889
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 2: they were telling me about what Jesus did on the

890
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 2: cross and telling me that I don't have to be

891
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 2: a good person to get to you. I just need

892
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 2: to put all my trust in you that you did

893
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 2: the work for me. And then after that, I'm gonna

894
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 2: feel this peace. I'm gonna feel this. I'm gonna feel this,

895
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 2: this love from your grace that goes and kills this masturbation,

896
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: that kills this weird guilt that I have in my

897
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 2: life that wants to take my life, my own life away.

898
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 2: That's what I heard. And God, I want to believe that.

899
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 2: I want that open my heart so that I believe it.

900
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 2: Open my eyes to this word.

901
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: Do this? What do I do?

902
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 2: God? I want to follow you. I want to know

903
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 2: why a loving God would allow this stuff in my life?

904
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 2: Are you a loving God? I believe that you are.

905
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 2: This is the kind of prayer I want him to

906
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 2: have tonight as he hears this podcast. That's my challenge

907
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,959
Speaker 2: to you, Mac, And you can go one of two ways.

908
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 2: You could do it, or you can go I don't know.

909
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 2: I don't know about it. I don't know about all stuff,

910
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna tell you cannot be indifferent to a

911
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 2: doctor telling you you need a heart transplant? Why would

912
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 2: a loving God? Last question, why would a loving God

913
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 2: allow this in Max's life? Do you have an answer

914
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 2: for that? Burns oh Man, I mean you kind of

915
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 2: said it earlier.

916
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I'm trying to think of where Max coming

917
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,240
Speaker 3: from with that question. Those two questions.

918
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 2: Back to back, it's a struggle.

919
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 3: It's almost like, if he takes your advice, I'm happy

920
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 3: to answer, you can answer, But I feel like if

921
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,280
Speaker 3: you take Granger's advice on the first one, you'll probably

922
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 3: find the answer to the second one.

923
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 2: That's good. Yeah, yeah, you worry about that kind of

924
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 2: stuff less when you understand the first part. Yeah, because

925
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 2: because what Burns is saying is when you stand on truth,

926
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 2: when you know the truth. As God has revealed himself

927
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 2: in the Bible, we know that he is good. We

928
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 2: know that he is all powerful, all purposing. We know

929
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 2: that He also mourns with those who mourn, weeps with

930
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 2: those who weep. We know that he hates. Listen to this,

931
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 2: A lot of people go, God doesn't hate, yes, mac

932
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 2: God hates this sin. He hates this idea of you

933
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 2: and your suicidal thoughts. He hates that you hurt. You're

934
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 2: made in his image. He hates that you hurt. He

935
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 2: hates this porn addiction, he hates this masturbation addiction. And

936
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 2: he offers you truth, and he offers you love, and

937
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 2: he says that he's good. He self reveals himself is good,

938
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 2: and so we trust God. You're good, You're holy, You're

939
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 2: different than me. I can't understand your ways. So the

940
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 2: fact that I can't understand where I am in my

941
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 2: life right now, I can understand that you are good,

942
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 2: and you work things to the counsel of your own

943
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 2: will for the purpose of your own good, which is

944
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 2: ultimately the purpose of all of our good because if

945
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 2: it's good for God, it eventually is good for us. Look,

946
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 2: that's not that difficult. That might sound crazy, it's not

947
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 2: that difficult to understand when you look at it in

948
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 2: terms of a child. We are children compared to him.

949
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 2: We know nothing. It's like I've said this before, me

950
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 2: taking my kids to a man that straps them to

951
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 2: the chair and performs painful things on them. Later to

952
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 2: find out I was just taking them to the dentist,

953
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 2: and they think I'm evil and horrible to do this

954
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 2: to them. In fact, pay someone to do that. It's

955
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 2: a dentist.

956
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 3: Who would put their kid through that.

957
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the same.

958
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 2: It's the same. We could go on and on. We've

959
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 2: got a little extra on this podcast, if not even

960
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 2: gonna get to the last question, because this has been

961
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 2: something man, this is.

962
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: Too too emotionally. Is that the words you're looking for?

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00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 2: Man?

964
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Speaker 3: I appreciate you guys out there bearing with me, y'all.

965
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 2: Before we started burning, I prayed, We prayed for the

966
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 2: words of this podcast, and I still I still don't

967
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 2: know as I look back on what we've said, I

968
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 2: don't know what we said that is helpful or if

969
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 2: we said it the right way. But I just trust

970
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 2: that God takes this and his word does not return voids.

971
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Speaker 2: So we love y'all. Thanks for hitting us hard with

972
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 2: some really good questions and we'll see you next moment.

973
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me on the Grangersmith podcast. I appreciate

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Speaker 2: all of you guys. You could help me out by

975
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 2: rating this podcast on iTunes. If you're on YouTube, subscribe

976
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Speaker 2: to this channel, hit that little like button and notification

977
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Speaker 2: spell so that you never miss anytime I upload a video.

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Speaker 2: Yihi