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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a good day. We do love a

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Speaker 1: game seven real quick before we get it figure out.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out my lock of the day

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Speaker 2: because it's really hard when there's only one bet or

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Speaker 3: So I'm sorry, I apologize.

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Speaker 1: Guess what we're about to have that for the next

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Speaker 1: four to seven game.

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Speaker 3: I know, but it makes it really tough.

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Speaker 1: It does? It does? I'm with you. We'll do that later.

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Speaker 1: AJ will figure his out in the meantime, real quick

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Speaker 1: before we start. Did you guys know that it's the

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Speaker 1: one hundred and fiftieth season of MLB. I've seen that

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Speaker 1: in multiple articles over the weekend. I hadn't seen it

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Speaker 1: anywhere else. I read a lot a lot of baseball.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen it anywhere. So I'm wondering why I

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Speaker 1: hadn't seen it until now. Kratz, had you seen that?

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Speaker 3: Not once? Not until you texted it.

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Speaker 4: It's crazy like it that'd be something I remember when

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Speaker 4: it was one twenty five and you got your Louisville

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Speaker 4: bats and each Louisville had like this massive one twenty five,

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Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty five years like stamp on the bat, like,

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Speaker 4: I thought it was pretty cool one fifty. Why is

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Speaker 4: it not being celebrated? What are we trying to what

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Speaker 4: are we trying to avoid?

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Speaker 5: Wait?

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Speaker 4: Were you playing in two thousand? No, we got we

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Speaker 4: got bats. We got bats from I forget what it was,

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Speaker 4: but I wasn't in pro ball yet, but it was

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Speaker 4: like the coolest bat. I was like, oh man, I

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Speaker 4: need to have I need to have these kind of bats.

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Speaker 3: If I get drafted.

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Speaker 4: Well I didn't get drafted till two thousand and two.

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Speaker 3: No, that's weird because I remember this.

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Speaker 4: They might have a bat from two thousand, but I

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Speaker 4: thought it was Louisville's hundred and twenty fifth years when

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Speaker 4: they put the big one twenty five on it, that's

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Speaker 4: who you Well, maybe it might have been. I thought

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Speaker 4: it was Louisville had the big one twenty five thing.

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Speaker 4: That was what it was because I used to be

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Speaker 4: I thought it said I thought it said I had

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Speaker 4: the Louisville Well whatever, who cares? But anyways, I'm just

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Speaker 4: happy from this weekend I didn't have to get a tattoo.

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Speaker 1: Other than that, everything, we're gonna make sure we have

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Speaker 1: time for that. I want to I want to get

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Speaker 1: a few minutes on that that whole storyline, since we

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Speaker 1: didn't really get to it last week. And also I'm

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Speaker 1: already gonna not correct myself, but it looks like MLB

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Speaker 1: celebrated one fifty and twenty nineteen, but they said eighteen

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Speaker 1: seventy six was the first season, and that is one

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty years ago. There's nuance in here. I'm

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Speaker 1: in like a rabbit hole with online AI right now

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Speaker 1: looking all of this stuff up for me, and I'm

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Speaker 1: getting confused, so I'm gonna.

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Speaker 2: Drop it smart.

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Speaker 1: They started counting too much for me, so I'm out

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Speaker 1: of it. But I did see it in multiple articles,

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Speaker 1: like you know, one hundred and fifty years of baseball.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they were rounding a little bit. Maybe not, don't

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Speaker 1: care anymore. Let's talk about Game seven, charging about we

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Speaker 1: are charging the mound. We're presented by Lids. They'll be

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Speaker 1: a number on the screen that you'll see later and

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Speaker 1: if you text it, you'll get a nice discount over

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Speaker 1: at Lid's ALCS Game seven preview. We did about twenty

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Speaker 1: five minutes of a postgame show after Game six. AJ

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Speaker 1: and I watching that one and commenting on it. So

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Speaker 1: Kratz get me ready for Game seven? What do you

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Speaker 1: think you've got Shane Bieber matching up with George Kirby.

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Speaker 1: Bieber looked good last time around. George Kirby is a

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Speaker 1: very good picture. He did not look good last time around.

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Speaker 1: What are your expectations for this one and how would

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Speaker 1: you manage it?

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Speaker 4: I would manage it that I have two really good

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Speaker 4: pictures on the mound, But I would manage it with

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Speaker 4: my eyes and I wouldn't manage it with the predisposed

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Speaker 4: idea of, oh, yeah, you know, any kind of trouble

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Speaker 4: in the second inning, I'm taking George Kirby out. It

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Speaker 4: feels like the manager roles have kind of flipped where

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Speaker 4: it's like John Schneider was the one who had the

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Speaker 4: I trust this guy. I trust this guy to get

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Speaker 4: out of this gym. And Dan Wilson's the one that's like,

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Speaker 4: I trust this guy. Wait no, I'm gonna get him.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go get it. Wait no, he get up

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Speaker 4: that many runs like it just feels like it feels

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Speaker 3: Kind of reversed a little bit.

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Speaker 4: And so that's why I have no idea what's gonna

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Speaker 4: I feel like good pictures like this step up. I

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Speaker 4: feel like Shane Bieber is also gonna have a great game.

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Speaker 4: I don't feel like it's gonna be high scoring, so

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Speaker 4: that means it's gonna be thirteen to twelve.

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Speaker 3: And also here here's here's here's the thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Josh Schider has to be give his starter as

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Speaker 4: more leeway because his bullpen is worse than the Mariners bullpen.

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Speaker 5: That's why.

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Speaker 2: Because Dan Wilson's like, I got all these dudes I

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Speaker 2: can run to for any plus Bizardo Brash Spire Munios

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Speaker 2: Munos hasn't pitched in three days.

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Speaker 3: He might go four innings tonight, and he has given

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Speaker 3: up a hit like all postseason or what. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I know he has, but it's like crazy, but he's

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Speaker 4: done this postseason, so I mean he might run him

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Speaker 2: It's I don't think Kirby's out there long enough unless

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Speaker 2: he's just even if he I bet you he went

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Speaker 2: five no hit, perfect innings, they'd probably take him out

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Speaker 2: of the game.

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Speaker 1: And also if there's traffic, there's.

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Speaker 3: Any traffic, they're gonna get him out right away. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it used to be Shiner, but now Shiner's hand

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Speaker 2: is forced because his bullpen's not as good as.

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Speaker 3: That's the one.

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Speaker 4: That's the one thing I didn't like from last night,

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Speaker 4: Jeff Hoffman getting two innings of work.

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Speaker 1: You wanted one.

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Speaker 3: Or none. I mean, I know, but.

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Speaker 1: You got to win the game. Now, that's like a

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Speaker 1: postseason save situation when you're up four.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm not I'm not disagreeing with you on the

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Speaker 4: one inning. I'm definitely saying did not want him out

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Speaker 4: there for two innings. I'm taking back to the sixteen

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Speaker 4: World Series where Joe Madden got like a five or

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Speaker 4: six run lead in Game six and he ran Chapman

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Speaker 4: but the game was kind of out of hand, and

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Speaker 4: then they brought him out again in Game seven, and

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Speaker 4: people were like, Oh, there's no such thing as tired. Okay,

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Speaker 4: maybe you're not tired because you're running on adrenaline, but

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Speaker 4: the boys are seeing you a little bit more.

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Speaker 3: More.

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Speaker 4: Guys saw Jeff Hoffman last night, and I just I don't.

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Speaker 3: Like that part.

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Speaker 4: For I would say there's a slam dunk win for

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Speaker 4: Hoffman's going to be out there for five six batters. Again,

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Speaker 4: I don't know, we'll see George Carby really struggles on

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Speaker 2: So the only guy that really has pitched really well

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Speaker 2: for the Mariners has been Bryce Miller, and this whole

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Speaker 2: series is a starter.

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Speaker 3: The rest of the starters have got pretty much bombed.

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Speaker 1: So Bryce, my pitch, Why aren't you starting him?

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Speaker 3: Yes it's on two days, right, but still.

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Speaker 1: But he can pitch an any or two wo Yeah,

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Speaker 1: It'll be.

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Speaker 4: Interesting to see how Wu, if Wu pitches, how he

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Speaker 4: does because he hasn't pitched. He hadn't pitched for a while,

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Speaker 4: and he threw out of the bullpen and now he's

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Speaker 4: gonna have to get up after a couple of days.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't think It's going to be interesting

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Speaker 2: to me how they how these guys because they have

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Speaker 2: is will we see Chris Bassett, Well, we see Max Schurzer.

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Speaker 3: What we see anyone not named Logan Gilbert for the Mariners?

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Speaker 3: I mean they can bring them all in.

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Speaker 1: They can, and the Blue Jays can do this too.

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Speaker 1: They can get crafty. Chris Bassett, Max Schurzer. Here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: You're in a game seven and being battle tested does help.

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Speaker 1: You've got some gritty vets on the Blue Jays. We

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Speaker 1: might be able to pick up three six nine outs

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Speaker 1: for you to help a mediocre bullpen. Those guys might help.

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Speaker 3: Agreed, Well, last time actually had the bullpen in a

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Speaker 3: playoff game. It didn't go.

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Speaker 1: Good, true, but he looked good the other day.

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Speaker 3: I agree, Listen, he'll do it. He wants to do it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Would you use those guys?

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Speaker 3: I try to stay away from them if I could.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I wouldn't go into it and say I wouldn't

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Speaker 4: go into it and say, hey, we have to use

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Speaker 4: Chris Bassett, we have to use Max Sures, we have

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Speaker 4: to use you know, whoever, Luis Castillo, we have to

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Speaker 4: use Bryce Miller, we have to use Brian Wu. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I'd play it off the game, how the game is

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Speaker 4: just because they're like I feel like sometimes managers get

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Speaker 3: Have to use them. I mean if I goes fifteen

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Speaker 1: No, stay around. Yes, but he thinks like Clement could

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Speaker 4: I mean, they don't really have that many guys that

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Speaker 1: No, It's like it's like four role play that have

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Speaker 1: Hey, Joe Jerriardy's on Found Territory, Joe, great time you're on.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you. How you been?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, great to see you. How have you guys been?

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Speaker 1: Damn well? We're holding up?

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Speaker 5: Yeah right?

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Speaker 1: You enjoying the postseason? You know?

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Speaker 6: I am? You know it has it went exactly according

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Speaker 6: I'm not. I'm not worried about you eating pizza.

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Speaker 1: By the pizza self discipline. Let's go okay, So ain't

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Speaker 2: Ain't nobody sitting there in the roommate orders of pizza

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Speaker 3: Pizza can I just get a pizza? Pizza?

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Speaker 6: You say, just have one piece, you don't need to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but once you get you know, once that cheese

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Speaker 1: No, No, that's fair, that's fair, Uh, Joe. First question

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Speaker 3: Okay. So I got to ask this.

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Speaker 2: You said that you want to get six innings. Will

439
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Speaker 2: nobody gets six innings o their starters anymore? Joe, you

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Speaker 2: know this, It's run to the bullpit. Oh no, there's

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Speaker 2: a guy on first. There's a guy on first. We

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Speaker 2: gotta go, we gotta we gotta get our guy. It's like,

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Speaker 2: oh my gosh, oh we have we have relievers that

444
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Speaker 2: are starters and starters that are relievers, and we need

445
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Speaker 2: to just get everybody in because we have all.

446
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Speaker 6: These toys in the baskets.

447
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Speaker 3: We have to make sure we use them all so

448
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Speaker 3: after the game nobody can ask why we didn't use

449
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Speaker 3: this person.

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Speaker 4: So I find it interesting that as you as a

451
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Speaker 4: manager who's managing these games, which says, well, I went

452
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Speaker 4: into it thinking my starter was gonna give me six,

453
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Speaker 4: where nowadays if the starter gives them three, they're like, oh,

454
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Speaker 4: we gotta get him out because one time through.

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Speaker 6: I think one time. I think the things that analytics

456
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Speaker 6: doesn't always measure is they measures you know, the first

457
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Speaker 6: time too, the lineup, second time to the line of,

458
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Speaker 6: third time, two the line, but it doesn't measure that

459
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Speaker 6: I've seen it RELI reliever five times in seven days.

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Speaker 6: They don't do that, and I think that's where clubs

461
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Speaker 6: sometimes get in trouble. They OVEREXPOSEO. The relievers and the

462
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Speaker 6: hitters have seen him a number of times, and then

463
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Speaker 6: it's like seeing a starter of the fourth time through.

464
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Speaker 6: You're used to what he got. So I think I

465
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Speaker 6: think at times they don't look at that enough and

466
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Speaker 6: it cost them.

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Speaker 4: Can you see it and explain it? I know I've

489
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Speaker 4: watched you in the dugout. I've watched you in the

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Speaker 4: dugout with the Phillies, with the Yankees. Can you see

491
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Speaker 4: when a pitcher has it and you're like, screw that

492
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Speaker 4: part of it, I'm gonna keep going, And can you

493
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Speaker 4: explain it to somebody?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 4: Could you sit there and go because you do a

496
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Speaker 4: good job of explaining it. Can you explain it and

497
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Speaker 4: say this is what I'm seeing or is it just

498
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Speaker 4: like no, I see the till to see the angle.

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Speaker 4: Everything's good, and I'm watching their swings.

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Speaker 6: I'm a manager that like to use everything that was

501
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Speaker 6: given to me as part of the decision, and then

502
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Speaker 6: I would use my eyes as well. For example, if

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Speaker 6: you know a guy struggles, maybe pitches seventy five through ninety,

504
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Speaker 6: and he starts to lose his stuff, the numbers tell

505
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Speaker 6: you that I'm gonna have my red flags up, but

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Speaker 6: that doesn't tell me that he loses it between seventy

507
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Speaker 6: five and ninety every time. Because it's an average. There

508
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Speaker 6: are times that he might lose it pitch forty five

509
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Speaker 6: through sixty, and there are times he may not lose

510
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Speaker 6: it till after it pitch one ten. So it's an average.

511
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Speaker 6: So I'm going to watch with my eyes as well.

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Speaker 6: And when I watch with my eyes, what I'm looking

513
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Speaker 6: for is how difficult the abats become. If the first

514
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Speaker 6: time through the lineup George Kirby against Toronto, Game three,

515
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Speaker 6: the first time through the lineup, it was pretty easy.

516
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Speaker 6: Second time the lineup was not very easy. You watch

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Speaker 6: the swings if all of a sudden, the avats are

518
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Speaker 6: getting harder to get through. It's not like strike one

519
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Speaker 6: strikes to ball one strikeout or weak contact. All of

520
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Speaker 6: a sudden there's four or five fah balls. The counts

521
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Speaker 6: are getting long. You know that a pitcher's losing his stuff,

522
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Speaker 6: and I think it's time to get him out. And

523
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Speaker 6: he still may be getting outs, but to me, you're

524
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Speaker 6: flirting with danger. So I'm watching this as well as

525
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Speaker 6: what the numbers tell me and using my eyes to

526
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Speaker 6: determine when a pitcher's done.

527
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Speaker 4: How about your communication with I'm sorry, go ahead, a jay, No,

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Speaker 4: go ahead? How about your communication with the pitchers that

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Speaker 4: you are going to in the sense of, you know,

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Speaker 4: if you're John Schneider, you know Louis Varland is pitched

531
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Speaker 4: in nine of ten postseason games. Normally in the regular season,

532
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Speaker 4: you're like, hey, how you feel? And as more of

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Speaker 4: like a gauge. But all that information you've learned and

534
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Speaker 4: gained and everything, are you able to still use that

535
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Speaker 4: in the postseason Because everyone's like, well, why wouldn't you

536
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Speaker 4: go to Louis Varland for two innings? And you're like,

537
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Speaker 4: because I think he's gassed.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Oh, I am using it. But there's that extra

539
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Speaker 6: adrenaline and you have the built in days off that

540
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Speaker 6: help you. But he's pitched a lot and Seattle has

541
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Speaker 6: seen him a lot, But I got to count on

542
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Speaker 6: him for today for one inning. I think the thing

543
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Speaker 6: that you can't have to be really careful is when

544
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Speaker 6: you get him up, you have to put him in.

545
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Speaker 6: You can't get him up sitting down and then get

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Speaker 6: him up again and sitting down and then get him

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Speaker 6: up and bring him in. That's not going to work.

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Speaker 6: You have to know when you're going to pull the

549
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Speaker 6: trigger here and when I'm bringing in Louis, I'm getting

550
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Speaker 6: him up the one time and he's coming right in,

551
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Speaker 6: or I'm not getting him up.

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Speaker 4: Aj Hinch told us in the last series against Seattle

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Speaker 4: Joe that he'd rather make a decision one bat or

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Speaker 4: too early than one bat or two later. Is that

555
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Speaker 4: how you have to think about these games as a

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Speaker 4: manager and then just live with your decision however it goes.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I think so, because your decision is well thought out.

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Speaker 6: Your decision is based on a number of factors that

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Speaker 6: could be where you are in the lineup, how much

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Speaker 6: success he's had off those guys, how much he's spunk

561
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Speaker 6: to him in this series, how fatigued he is, and

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Speaker 6: you have to live with it because you're making a

563
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Speaker 6: decision with all the information you have, the best decision

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Speaker 6: you can at that time. But guess what, aj there's

565
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Speaker 6: a human factor and a guy might hang a pitch,

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Speaker 6: or a guy he might make a great pitch and

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Speaker 6: the guy hits it off the end for a squipper

568
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Speaker 6: for a base hit, and it produces a run and

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Speaker 6: leads to a beginning. Those are things that are out

570
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Speaker 6: of your control. But you need to make the best

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Speaker 6: decision you have with the information that you have, and

572
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Speaker 6: you have to live with it. And unfortunately for managers today,

573
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Speaker 6: everything is heavily scrutinized during the playoffs and you can

574
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Speaker 6: make all the right decisions and still lose the game

575
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Speaker 6: because the other team's actually trying to win.

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Speaker 4: Joe, I can't believe what you just said. I just can't.

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Speaker 4: I can't believe what you just have. Like my mind

578
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Speaker 4: is blown right now. Like wait, you can make a

579
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Speaker 4: good pitch and a guy still get to hit, or

580
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Speaker 4: you can hang on andy and they pop it up sometimes.

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Speaker 3: Or hit into a double play. No, I can't.

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Speaker 4: This is you know what, Joe, if you ever want

583
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Speaker 4: to be a manager again, you are screwed because of

584
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Speaker 4: that quote right there.

585
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Speaker 3: Because there's no such thing as the human element.

586
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Speaker 4: It is all robots and we all just move and

587
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Speaker 4: do exactly what we're supposed to at all times.

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Speaker 2: And so I am honored that you said that, because

589
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Speaker 2: it's nice to hear someone else say it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, it's the bottom line. People are competing

591
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Speaker 6: and sometimes for whatever reason. I mean, you think about

592
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 6: a guy like Louis Vauvarlan, he's probably what twenty five

593
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 6: percent more fatigued than he is on a normal day,

594
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Speaker 6: and that twenty five percent might have him hang a

595
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Speaker 6: slider that turns into a base hit. But he's what

596
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Speaker 6: you got and you got to go with it. And

597
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Speaker 6: the other team's feeling it too. So this is this

598
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 6: is a time where you got to find a way

599
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Speaker 6: to get it done and you hope they can do it.

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Speaker 3: All right.

601
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Speaker 4: We're twenty seven minutes into the show now and we've

602
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Speaker 4: only talked like two minutes on the lineups. It's all

603
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Speaker 4: been about pitching, and that's what everybody's worried about. You

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Speaker 4: as a manager, Are you worried about how you stack

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Speaker 4: your lineup against against the next day starting pitcher, because

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Speaker 4: I don't really know. Shane Bieber might go two, they

607
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Speaker 4: might go three. When you're looking at both of these teams.

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Speaker 6: Of course I'm worried about how I stack my lineup.

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Speaker 6: But when you look at Toronto, they're heavily right handed,

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Speaker 6: so that's how they're going to stack their lineup. And

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Speaker 6: look at Seattle, they got switch hitters, so it doesn't

612
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Speaker 6: really matter to me. The biggest thing is you want

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Speaker 6: to put enough distance between your lefties where they can't

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Speaker 6: bring in a lefty and he gets to see both

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Speaker 6: of them in a three hitter minimum. That's the biggest

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Speaker 6: thing for me, and I don't really think either team

617
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Speaker 6: struggles with that because the construction of their lineups. So

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Speaker 6: I would just go with what's worked all year long,

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Speaker 6: and this is what we're doing. This is how we're rolling.

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Speaker 4: This is the same situation that we were in when

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Speaker 4: we went into Houston in twenty seventeen. So you felt this,

622
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Speaker 4: You felt the three to two lead going into Away Park.

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Speaker 4: What's the feeling for a manager, like, what's the feeling

624
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Speaker 4: because you can see your coaches around you that are

625
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Speaker 4: nervous that are not nervous. Do you have to fake

626
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Speaker 4: your calmness or you like, you know what, I have

627
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Speaker 4: no control over this. I'm just gonna make the best

628
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Speaker 4: decisions and hopefully the boys play well.

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Speaker 6: Eric I did it for my whole playing career. I mean,

630
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Speaker 6: you learn how to right.

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Speaker 5: You know.

632
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Speaker 6: I don't think you don't have those jitters in you

633
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Speaker 6: and those butterflies. There's something wrong with you because this

634
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 6: is exciting and you care so much and you put

635
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 6: so much into it. I mean, you guys know that.

636
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 6: I mean, it's October whatever it is, twenty first, twenty say,

637
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 6: I don't even know, and people are thinking, Okay, you know,

638
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Speaker 6: it's the end of the year. It's the end of

639
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 6: a long year. You guys started training November first. For this,

640
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Speaker 6: you went through all of spring training. You know, it's long,

641
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 6: it's hot, it's a grind. You want to get the

642
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 6: season start. Then you go through the grind in the

643
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 6: season and for one of these teams, it's going to abrupt.

644
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Speaker 6: It's going to end really quickly, and it's really sad,

645
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Speaker 6: and it's a hard pill to swallow because you know

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Speaker 6: what you have to do the next year to even

647
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Speaker 6: get to the playoffs. It's a long, you know, off

648
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Speaker 6: season season. So to me, yeah, I just tried to

649
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Speaker 6: be the same. I wasn't a real emotional guy. Unless

650
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Speaker 6: I got mad. That's when my motions came out.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't.

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Speaker 6: I was never real high when I was happy, or

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Speaker 6: real down when I was low. It's just when I

654
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Speaker 6: got mad at an umpire or a situation that I

655
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Speaker 6: showed emotion. So for me, it was pretty much what

656
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Speaker 6: I grew up seeing in my family, and I just

657
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Speaker 6: tried to carry it over.

658
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Speaker 4: Joe Crab said, if you would have played him in

659
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 4: twenty seventeen, you guys would have won. He said that

660
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 4: to me the other day, So I'm just like, you.

661
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Speaker 6: Know, you would just would have played him, you know why,

662
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Speaker 6: as there's a human element to.

663
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Speaker 3: It instead of Gary Sanchez.

664
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Speaker 2: He swears if he would have hit fourth for that team,

665
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 2: or fifth whatever Sanchez hit, you.

666
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 3: Guys would we would have won. You never know, that's right,

667
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 3: You just never know.

668
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Speaker 1: Joe, We got to jump. This was awesome though. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for stopping by. Great to see it was long overdue.

670
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Speaker 1: Hope you enjoyed it.

671
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Speaker 6: Have a great night. Hein Snatcher's don't second guess the Catcher.

672
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Speaker 3: That's right.

673
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Speaker 1: See Joe, Let's take you through the Arena Club slab

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Speaker 1: pack experience. This is part two because todd Father last

675
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676
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677
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Speaker 1: pack cost. This time pulls a card that he likes.

678
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and this is the best part of it. Ronnie Mauricio,

679
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680
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681
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682
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Speaker 5: but seeing this kind of card is actually absolutely beautiful thing.

683
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Speaker 5: I know a couple of people around town that would

684
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Speaker 5: absolutely love that card. So there's gonna be a lot

685
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Speaker 5: of conversations going on here for Arena Club.

686
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Speaker 1: And what you do is you have it in your

687
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Speaker 1: digital showroom. If you want to hand it out locally,

688
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689
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690
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691
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Speaker 1: three bucks. But he's keeping it. And you can do

692
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Speaker 1: what Todd Father does by going to Arena Club dot com,

693
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Speaker 1: slash Foul and getting twenty percent off your first card

694
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Speaker 1: purchase or your first slab pack purchase. Hey, Ben Nicholson

695
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: Smith from Sportsnet is back on in foul Territory. It's

696
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: going to be so fun. Man. We are amped for

697
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: Game seven in Toronto, and I'll get right to biz

698
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: with you and we appreciate the time. How do you

699
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: think the pitching is going to play out for John Schneider?

700
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: What does the circle of trust look like? What does

701
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Speaker 1: the lease look like for Shane Bieber?

702
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 7: Hey, guys, yeah, I think the least for Bieber will

703
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 7: be reasonably long. He was really good in Game three.

704
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 7: They're going to need him to produce for them tonight.

705
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 7: The circle of trust is not that big, I think

706
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 7: elsewhere in this Blue Jay's bullpen. I mean, Schneider publicly

707
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 7: will say that he trusts everyone, he believes in all

708
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 7: these guys, but I don't know that beyond Sir Anthony Dominguez,

709
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 7: Jeff Hoffman, Louis Varland, those seem to be the three

710
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 7: guys that they really trust. Beyond that, it honestly might

711
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 7: be like a Kevin Gosman or even a Maxters are

712
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 7: coming out of the bullpen to bridge that gap.

713
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 4: Like twelve and a half outs long or under twelve

714
00:32:54,520 --> 00:33:00,719
Speaker 4: and a half out asking for a friend here, Yeah,

715
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 4: I think.

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Speaker 7: For Bieber I would take the over on twelve and

717
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:05,479
Speaker 7: a half for Bieber.

718
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, I might have to change my lock here

719
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Speaker 3: coming up.

720
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Speaker 4: Sorry, uh, but my my real question is is you

721
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 4: talked about a small circle of trust?

722
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 3: I mean Hoffmann through thirty five pitches last night. You

723
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Speaker 3: know who else?

724
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 4: Varland looks like he's running on fumesy pitches every day.

725
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 4: I think they brought him in to throw a simulated

726
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 4: game on the off days in this year. Is also

727
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 4: just to make sure he was extra tired. But I

728
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Speaker 4: mean who else will they use? I mean, will we

729
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 4: see shures or we keep saying you don't want to

730
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Speaker 4: use shures er and you don't use basson unless you

731
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Speaker 4: have to, right, I mean who else? I mean, Sir

732
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Speaker 4: Anthony di Mingez. I guess I don't think they're bringing

733
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Speaker 4: in little right maybe lower? I mean flu hardy. I mean,

734
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Speaker 4: where do they go if they if they're into the

735
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Speaker 4: sixth inning and they need to figure out I know

736
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Speaker 4: what I know you're gonna say. It depends on where

737
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Speaker 4: they are in the lineup. But if they have to

738
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Speaker 4: get three outs in the sixth inning, who do they

739
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Speaker 4: turn to?

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Speaker 7: I think it would be I think it actually could

741
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Speaker 7: be Gosman or Varland. Like obviously, if it's men on base,

742
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Speaker 7: you're not going to Kevin Gosman in that situation. I

743
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Speaker 7: think if it's meant on base, you probably go to

744
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 7: Varland right there, and he gets you out of the inning.

745
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 7: Then maybe you give Gosman like a clean seventh and

746
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Speaker 7: then it's Sir Anthony eighth and Hoffman ninth and hope

747
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 7: for the best, you know, in extra innings, if it

748
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 7: got that far, then you know, maybe you're looking at

749
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 7: a Max Scherzer. Maybe it is an Eric Lauer. But

750
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Speaker 7: I think too like there's a possibility early in the

751
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 7: game that if things aren't going well for the Jays

752
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 7: they might have to go to a Chris Bassett earlier.

753
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 7: They might have to go to an Eric Lawer earlier.

754
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 7: And I agree with you, you probably don't go to Brennan

755
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 7: little and leverage the way Game five went. But they

756
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 7: are going to have to trust some guys potentially that

757
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 7: haven't necessarily been dominant in the last little while. And

758
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 7: that's where I just think they need the offense. They

759
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 7: need like a couple of three run homers if they're

760
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 7: going to win this thing, And if they get that,

761
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Speaker 7: then maybe they do make it back to the World Series.

762
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, three run homers. They're nice.

763
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 4: Obviously everybody wants three run homers. But do you feel

764
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Speaker 4: like if the Jays lose this game it is because

765
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Speaker 4: the leash was too long on Shane Bieber? Like, does

766
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 4: that trust level need to be that high? Does we

767
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 4: just go back his last start Julio Rodriguez h's a

768
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 4: two run home run. Uh, he hits a two run

769
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 4: home run tonight? Is he out there to face Julio

770
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Speaker 4: Rodriguez again if they don't have a lead.

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Speaker 7: I think it depends to an extent on how Bieber's

772
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 7: stuff looks, as you guys know. I mean, his slider

773
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 7: has been really good in the postseason. So if the

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Speaker 7: slider's there and it's more like ninety three ninety four

775
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 7: than ninety two ninety three, then I think there's a

776
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 7: pathway for him to stay in. But the Jay's are

777
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 7: going to have to read this one in real time,

778
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 7: and I think that if the vila is, you know,

779
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 7: hovering more around ninety two, he's not getting swing and miss,

780
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 7: then you just have to make a change.

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00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: You just have to go.

782
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 7: And it's going to be uncomfortable, and John Schneider is

783
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 7: going to get booed, just like he did last night

784
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 7: when he took Trey Savage out, And you know it'll

785
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 7: be a tough decision, but I think you have to

786
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 7: be prepared to do that just for the sake of

787
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 7: making sure that the Mariners need to be facing the

788
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 7: best stuff that you can possibly give them, the best

789
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 7: command that you can possibly give them. And it's a

790
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 7: balancing act because this isn't no dominant pitching staff at

791
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 7: this point in time for the Blue Jays, but they've

792
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 7: been able to get the job done like they did

793
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 7: the bullpen game to clinch against the Yankees. There's not

794
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 7: gonna be a bullpen game tonight, but they could rely

795
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 7: on a lot of different arms and it might be

796
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 7: a bit patchwork where you get a bit more Braden Fisher,

797
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 7: you get a bit more amazing flu Hardy, and you

798
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 7: just try to make the pieces work, all.

799
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 4: Right, Ben against anything that's happening in Toronto, the Mariners

800
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 4: are trying to win this game too, So for the Mariners,

801
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 4: they're not going to let Vladimir Guerrero beat them. If

802
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 4: they let him beat them, he will beat them. Who

803
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 4: outside of vlad has to step up tonight for the

804
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 4: Blue Jays lineup.

805
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 7: It's a great question, right because I agree they can't

806
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 7: let him beat them. And last night I was kind

807
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 7: of surprised Dan Wilson let vladd Junior face Logan Gilbert

808
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 7: a third time because that point Gilbert's FILA was down.

809
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 7: You know, I don't think the wave Laddie handled George

810
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 7: Kirby in Game three. He was three for three offen

811
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 7: with a double on a home run. So you probably

812
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 7: don't want to give Laddie too many looks against Kirby

813
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 7: at all, so maybe you're walking him. We almost on

814
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 7: Tander's out. We all know Bobachett's out, and we all

815
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 7: know George Springer's hurt. So it's like someone has to

816
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 7: step up in all this and it's not the easiest.

817
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 1: Thing to predict.

818
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 7: I always look at Allehandra Kirk simply because Kirk is

819
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 7: a guy who has stepped up in these big moments

820
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,479
Speaker 7: for the Blue Jays, and everyone is around this team

821
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 7: always says that Kirk. You know, as you guys know

822
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 7: from being around him and being around the game so much,

823
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 7: He's just got one of those slow heart beats. He's

824
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 7: not going to be over stressed out by the moment,

825
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 7: you know. He's kind of built for Game sevens in

826
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 7: that way. So I kind of look to Kirk as

827
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 7: someone not to hit one over the fence, but hit

828
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 7: a double, get a single to the opposite field when

829
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 7: you just need an RBI. Like, he's a guy who

830
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 7: can do that, and the Jays are going to need

831
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 7: that because, like you say, they probably won't be pitching

832
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 7: to vlat all.

833
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 4: Right, So what's what's going on with Kirk? Because he's

834
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 4: someone I mentioned earlier, but he struggled. He struggled. He

835
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 4: hasn't been great in the postseason. Yes, he had the

836
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 4: great first gamer he hit the two room runs, but

837
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 4: other than that, it's been kind of struggles. So you

838
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 4: mentioned he has a slow heartbeat. Maybe is it too

839
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 4: slow to We need to get him some caffeine before

840
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 4: the the game and get him going a little bit

841
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 4: because they need him.

842
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 7: Yeah, they need him for sure. Yeah, uh that's yeah,

843
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:28,439
Speaker 7: that's a good thought.

844
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 3: Kirk.

845
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 7: Caffeinated Kirk could be a sight to see. I don't

846
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 7: even know what that would look like, but I'd be

847
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 7: interested to see it. They need someone to step up,

848
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 7: and this has been the story of their season all

849
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 7: year really, where they've had, you know, Barger come out

850
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 7: of nowhere, Ernie Clement come out of nowhere, Nathan Lucas.

851
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 7: Maybe Clement's another one, because you know, Clement has been

852
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 7: dominant this postseason. He's kind of been Bobachett at a

853
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 7: time that Boba Schett is hurt. Clement's the guy who's

854
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 7: going out and getting two hits tonight and playing great

855
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 7: defense and doing all the things that you would look

856
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 7: for out of an impact infielder. So I could see

857
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 7: Ernie Clement being a big factor because he's just so

858
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 7: tough to pitch to. He's so tough to game plan

859
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 7: for because he's going to swing at everything. You know

860
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 7: you can. You can come up with whatever approach you

861
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,479
Speaker 7: want against him. You can put it six inches above

862
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 7: the strike zone. He's still going to swing at it

863
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 7: and probably make contact. So I imagine that's a pretty tough

864
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 7: player to scheme against when he's going really well, and

865
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 7: right now it's going great for Ernie Clement, So I

866
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 7: would look for him as another one, even if Alejandro

867
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 7: Kirk is, you know, not quite accessing that peak form offensively.

868
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 4: I could have easily looked at the weather at but

869
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Speaker 4: I'd rather get boots on the ground. Is the roof

870
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 4: open or closed?

871
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 7: So I'm at home right now, but it's a beautiful

872
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 7: day outside. I would think pretty good chance it's open.

873
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 7: There's blue skies. I was just outside earlier and super

874
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 7: nice probably you know, sixty five seventy degrees and you

875
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 7: could one hundred percent play baseball in this with the

876
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 7: roof open, So that'd be pretty cool. But yeah, I

877
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 7: haven't seen the actual roof downtown yet.

878
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 4: What is the what is the your guest of who

879
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 4: throws out the first pitch for Game seven? Because they've

880
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 4: thrown out some They've thrown out some doozies, but I feel.

881
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 3: Like they already played their best hand.

882
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 4: Is Carlos Dogato throwing the first pitch tonight?

883
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: Oh? Man?

884
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 7: I would love that. So I would love to hear

885
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 7: your predictions, if you guys have any on this one,

886
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 7: because I've been kind of debating it with a few people.

887
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 7: My prediction is Marco Estrada. I think that's that's what

888
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 7: I foresee. I think it would be cool as hell

889
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 7: to have John Gibbons throw at the first pitch, Orcito

890
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 7: Gaston or Joe Carter. But yeah, my prediction is Marco Withstrada,

891
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 7: and I would love to hear your thoughts if you

892
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 7: guys have any predictions I need.

893
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

894
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 2: No, he's a World Series guy. He's a World Series guy. Marcostrada.

895
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: Why Marcostrada? Why not Edward and then Carson you know?

896
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 7: And his parent Well, they had Edwin du One earlier

897
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 7: in the series, so they already had Edwin, Kevin Pular, Russell,

898
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 7: Martin Bautista, and I'm missing someone, Oh, Josh Donaldson. They

899
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 7: had Josh Donaldson. So you know they've gone through that

900
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 7: twenty fifteen team. And I agree they'll probably stave like

901
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 7: Cdo and Joe Carter for the World Series if they

902
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,240
Speaker 7: get there. So that's where I go to Marco Westradak

903
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 7: because he's one of the really beloved guys from that

904
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Speaker 7: team that hasn't thrown the first pitch yet.

905
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 5: No, got it.

906
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 4: I'm thinking, I'm thinking, Paul Mallin, what about Robbie Allen Mark?

907
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 4: Have we got a Robbie Alamars?

908
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 2: I think so he could stay he could stay out

909
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 2: in the hotel and then just throw it from there.

910
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 7: I like Delgatto. Del Gatto would be awesome. He's got

911
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 7: to underrecognized jays.

912
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 3: De Gotto hit the farthest ball I've ever seen in

913
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 3: my life in that place. Yeah.

914
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 2: Oh he hit it over the restaurant centerfeck. Oh my gosh,

915
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 2: he hit it. Oh it was It was impressive.

916
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 6: They love them out there.

917
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 3: He's awesome. He should be in the Hall of Fame

918
00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 3: for me.

919
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 4: But I could have done it. I could have done

920
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 4: it because I helped build that fifteen team. I was

921
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 4: in the Liam Hendricks trade that got Liam Hendricks and

922
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 4: me traded away, but then Liam came back because the

923
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 4: Royals were like, we don't want Liam, and so I

924
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 4: helped build that team.

925
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 7: Where are you now, Eric, Is it too late to

926
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 7: get here on time?

927
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 3: I make it. I'll make it.

928
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, just have just have Paul Beaston, Paul Beaston's uh

929
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 4: private jet.

930
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 3: Come pick me up.

931
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 4: Oh wait, he's not the owner anymore.

932
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 7: Okay, well you know what. We'll see who it is,

933
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 7: but yeah, I think it'll be. It's one of those

934
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 7: cool moments. I actually love first pitches, like when the

935
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 7: Yankees head Hedeki Mats who we do it. I thought

936
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 7: that was really cool. The Mariners had like Randy Johnson

937
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 7: and Jay bun are doing it. It's someone who always

938
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 7: like I like the players from the past. It's just

939
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 7: so cool to see them come back and get that applause.

940
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially when they understand the moment Bautista's firing up

941
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: the crowd all that that's cool. If Kratz does it,

942
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: he has to explain what he just did so that

943
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: anyone would understand what's going on. Hey, guys, I'm here

944
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: because I was in this Liam Enter trade. And then

945
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: also hope you accept me anyway, Ben, I know you're busy.

946
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: Thanks for hopping on, dude. This was great. Enjoy it

947
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: out there. It's gonna be awesome. Thanks so much. Guys.

948
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Speaker 3: Have fun.

949
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,839
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964
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Speaker 1: I need that every time. MLB's most interesting man, well

968
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Speaker 1: that title belonged to Shoho Tani on Friday night in

969
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 1: the clincher for the Dodgers. It was an incredible watch.

970
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: The highly debated topic that we've had a couple of

971
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: days to think about is did he just have the

972
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: greatest game in baseball history? Among many others? What's the

973
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: debate people are debating it. I want to present them.

974
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 4: Please do because there's nobody in the history of the

975
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 4: game it's ever done what he did. And also go

976
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 4: on the mound and have six innings, ten punches and

977
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 4: give up two hits in a game that clinched them the.

978
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: World Series, right, So if you can find someone else

979
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: that did that, Scott, let me know, then we haven't argument.

980
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you. First of all, if we just

981
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: said overall games and we're just looking at stats, there

982
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: are other performances that were in the regular season. You're

983
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 1: gonna say this is posted.

984
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 3: Given to me.

985
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: But Rick Wise, no hitter in nineteen seventy home runs, Okay,

986
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: I get the playoff.

987
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 3: Part, but just past I don't know exactly.

988
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: Tony Klonninger two grand slams in a complete game in

989
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six, get it? And then you're gonna say

990
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: those are regular season right, Okay, so let's wipe that out.

991
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 3: That one's pretty good.

992
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: Two grand slams in the CG.

993
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 3: That's pretty good in sixty six.

994
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: That's cool. I I've enjoyed the history process of this.

995
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 1: I'm not the biggest history buff. I think this school. Okay,

996
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: Now let's fast forward. Let me see if I can

997
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: do any convincing here.

998
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 3: I mean, who hasn't hit two grand slams in a game?

999
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 3: I have in a pro game?

1000
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: Triple a baby triple.

1001
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 4: A, I mean Semiro, but still semi pro bro. Still,

1002
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 4: I mean, we don't here, we don't need mine.

1003
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I'm just saying, apparently it's cloning Juror.

1004
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 3: Don't just want to make you who he is. But

1005
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 3: he'll be a jerk and get his name right.

1006
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: Good one, Thank you. Next up, playoffs. Okay, so let's

1007
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 1: actually fast forward to World Series. I think the ones

1008
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,919
Speaker 1: that start to get like competition going is.

1009
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 3: Four homer games.

1010
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: Well, no, I don't think there are any four in

1011
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 1: the playoffs. There's a bunch of threes. No, no fours

1012
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: in the playoffs.

1013
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1014
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, So now we're in playoff mode right to see

1015
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: the greatest performance ever in the postseason. Because this is

1016
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: three to zero and this is the NLCS. So Don

1017
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 1: Larson game five, World Series, perfect game, tight game, Yankees

1018
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: win two, nothing series tied to two. He's facing the

1019
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: defending champ, Brooklyn Dodgers, Hall of famers all over the lineup,

1020
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: Gil Hodges, Jackie Robinson, Pee Reese, Roy Campanella, Duke Snyder. Right,

1021
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: so that's big.

1022
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 3: Did he hit? No?

1023
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: But did that game have more magnitude?

1024
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 3: Yes?

1025
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: What about World Series games like Reggie Jackson nineteen seventy

1026
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: eight World series to clinch it and hits three home runs.

1027
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 3: CHOI did that, and so that one's out.

1028
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 1: But but I'm saying the magnitude of he clinched the

1029
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: Pennant Right World Series. Okay, I'm just playing cases out there.

1030
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 4: For me, it's so far the only one that's even

1031
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 4: closes the Don Lars some perfect game.

1032
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: He went the distance, gave up nothing, tight game, and

1033
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: that's the World Series. The World Series is the biggest.

1034
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: And it was Game five, which is a meaningful game.

1035
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: But still this is the greatest game I've ever seen. Okay,

1036
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I can't even come. And I've

1037
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: seen some.

1038
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,439
Speaker 4: I've seen four Homer games, I've seen cycles, I've seen

1039
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 4: I've seen perfect games. I've seen this, I've seen that.

1040
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 4: But and nobody hit went out of the stadium like

1041
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 4: show he did either. Yeah, I hear like man for

1042
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 4: Chad Patrick, look at his reaction.

1043
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:47,240
Speaker 1: That's the best four hundred and sixty nine plus feet giggy.

1044
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 1: But Gil Chance, he was just incredible.

1045
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 2: But now he gets a week off, so and so

1046
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 2: now they'll complain about he had.

1047
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 3: Too much time off.

1048
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: He was so good on the mound too, I mean

1049
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 1: and you're seeing him pump a hondo plus on some pitches,

1050
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,919
Speaker 1: six shoutout in nings, two hits, and he had more

1051
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: homers at the plate than he allowed hits in six innings.

1052
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 3: It was incredible.

1053
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 4: Is there is there a point where you almost want

1054
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 4: him to not throw his heart on the mound so

1055
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 4: that he stays? You forget because he's going back to

1056
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 4: back years of Dodgers home run record and then he

1057
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 4: beats his own Dodgers home run record for the season

1058
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 4: we've seen hitting and you know, oh my gosh, he

1059
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 4: had four and sixty nine foot home run out of

1060
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 4: the stadium. Like we want him, I want him to

1061
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 4: stay on the mound. So is there an area? Is

1062
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 4: there a place where he can sit ninety four ninety

1063
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 4: five and not have to pump one hundred every time?

1064
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 3: Is that possible?

1065
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 4: Does that even keep him healthy? Obviously I'm just asking

1066
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 4: just because we're talking about the greatest game and I'm

1067
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 4: almost maybe you guys don't believe me, but I'm almost

1068
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 4: not surprised.

1069
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 3: Stop, can we can we can we show this with Curry?

1070
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 3: Hurry hery. We can't show this?

1071
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 5: Can we?

1072
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 3: He's calling me, they can get that. We can't see.

1073
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Semmoto, says Tory Hunter. I'm not going to

1074
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 3: answer it though, So come on, he's got a job.

1075
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: Are you the guy? Now? Did you?

1076
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 2: That's why I text him And then he's calling me

1077
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 2: a gig. Yeah, I text him like you're the new manager,

1078
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 2: and so you know, he called me.

1079
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: We're off in ten minutes. So yeah, we'll get there.

1080
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 4: Well, only if we had a spot where he could

1081
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 4: be like a gat if only we had a show

1082
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 4: where we could have Tory Hunter on where he's not

1083
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 4: in his truck and he could do some interviews.

1084
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Speaker 1: He was great when he was on. Wait, I just

1085
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: want to stay on.

1086
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 2: Him on a couple of times we had him on himself,

1087
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 2: and then we had him on with uh Denzel Clark

1088
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 2: after you.

1089
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: Made that catch.

1090
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was cool. That was cool.

1091
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: Wait one more, Jack Morris tenanting shut Out Game seven

1092
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Speaker 1: ninety one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.

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00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 2: You know what I love about that game is everybody

1095
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: always remembers like especially and we all love Smolts, but

1096
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Speaker 2: like even last night with Joe Davis talking about like

1097
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 2: they always it's always for some reason remembered as the

1098
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 2: John Smoll I guess because he's on TV.

1099
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Speaker 3: But he lost that game. It was the Jack Morris

1100
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 3: game that went ten.

1101
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 4: That's to me is like it is the small town

1102
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 4: unbelievable run in the postseason, but like that game was

1103
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 4: Jack Morris, right, I think that's the Jack but if

1104
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 4: you you know, but most people only remember it because

1105
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 4: Smoltz is on TV a little bit more outside of Minnesota.

1106
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 4: People were like, man, it was this great game and

1107
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 4: John Smolts went eight innings, no runs, and some other

1108
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 4: guys in the Hall of Fame John, Oh yeah, Jack

1109
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 4: Morris went ten and they won one another and Jene

1110
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 4: Lark and my guy number nine hit a hit the

1111
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 4: single to drive in the dazzle the scullet Dan Gladden

1112
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 4: from third.

1113
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: That's a good one. So it's just cool.

1114
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 4: That must be a fox. That must be a Fox thing,

1115
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 4: because I think of it is a Jack Morris game.

1116
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 4: I was a brains fan. I was a brains fan,

1117
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 4: so I mean, of course I was looting for the

1118
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 4: That's why.

1119
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Speaker 1: Also, so last thing here, because I know we have

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Speaker 1: like twenty seconds, I'll just give you the line at

1121
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 1: the finisher here, Babe, Ruth. One hundred and sixty six

1122
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: games pitch and this is from Jason Starks article one

1123
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: time he had a two homer game. I think we

1124
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: have to get away from the Otani Ruth comparisons at

1125
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: some point because he's doing things that Babe didn't do,

1126
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: like he is in another weight class. In terms of

1127
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: the two way status, it is, it is what it is.

1128
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Speaker 1: Babe's a slugger, Otani's a two way sensation. All right,

1129
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: let's slap into reminder. We're gonna stay on for a

1130
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: few minutes after If you're watching this on YouTube, you

1131
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: got one minute though, and we got to tell the

1132
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Speaker 1: crowd what happened.

1133
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, So I had a bet with a guy

1134
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,439
Speaker 4: player on Mississippi Stag who's you know. It was friends

1135
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Speaker 4: with my daughter when she went to Missippi State.

1136
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Speaker 2: So and by the way, your team stucks because they suck,

1137
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 2: and so not a money bet, No, not a money bet.

1138
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 3: It was to get a tattoo. So whoever whoever lost

1139
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 3: had to get a tattoo.

1140
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 2: And I was on the field and I was sweating

1141
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 2: and a interception, Thank you ninety three for Florida, and

1142
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 2: I don't have to get a tattoo. And then I

1143
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,479
Speaker 2: saw the kid after the game. He was like crying,

1144
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 2: and I felt so bad far just it was one

1145
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 2: of those moments.

1146
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 3: It was cool. Sorry, but yeah, it was awesome.

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