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Speaker 1: You can't predict anything, okay, coming at you not shirtless

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Speaker 1: but extremely bundled up. Is it fair to say that, um,

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Speaker 1: I'm not being like a melodramatic. On a lake, perched

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Speaker 1: of a big screen TV. Not like a guy that's

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Speaker 1: like these models watch a lot of TV. Yeah, based

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Speaker 1: on how big that TV is, this guy's watching too

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Speaker 1: much of it. This would be like we got a

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Speaker 1: hole about the size of Yeah. You appreciate TV, you

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Speaker 1: respect it for its value, but you haven't overvalued it.

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Speaker 1: And we're on a slope looking down eight feet of water.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of a sandy slope. The slope peters off,

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Speaker 1: some weeds are picking up, and we are spearing for whitefish.

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Speaker 1: There's two species hanging around. We have seen that when

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Speaker 1: far to humpback white fish, and have seeing quite a

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Speaker 1: number of round whitefish. They're about they look a lot

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Speaker 1: like a mountain whitefish if you're familiar with those, and

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Speaker 1: they're about like a smallish mountain whitefish, but not so

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Speaker 1: small that you can throw it back. But there are

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Speaker 1: humpbacks would be like a big lake whitefish. Is that

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Speaker 1: fair brand? So far, we have put two of these

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Speaker 1: trout in a big bourbon, fourteen pound bourbon. You wait

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Speaker 1: him out a fourteen pound bourbon and that's to take

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Speaker 1: so far today, right, A big smoking bourbon and then

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Speaker 1: a in a laker. Probably the best bourbon of the trip.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely the best bourbon of the trip. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it's yeah and so yeah, it's the middle of day.

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Speaker 1: It's what one o'clock now, two o'clock. Yeah, it's still

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Speaker 1: seven hours till prime time. Seven hours still prime time now. Um.

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Speaker 1: I want everyone to introduce themselves and tell your name

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Speaker 1: and how many years you've been ice fishing? Joe? Uh,

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Speaker 1: Jo's ch z y h really? Yeah? Yeah, I didn't

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Speaker 1: him Joe's zurch from where I don't know, because they

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Speaker 1: just can't live with the zitch. They gotta be like,

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Speaker 1: it's gotta be zerch joe'sitch. What where's your grandparents? Are

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Speaker 1: great grandparents hail from? Oh? I got you. I can

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Speaker 1: see that. And I've been ice fishing for twenty eight

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Speaker 1: years probably how old are you? Okay? Okay? Bryce names

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Speaker 1: Bryce Myers and uh I've only been ice fishing for

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Speaker 1: about seven or eight years. Ever since I met Joe.

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Speaker 1: I'll get to why Joel's ice fish for twenty eight years.

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Speaker 1: But why, uh what? What prevented you from ice fish

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Speaker 1: working a tube jig down the hole. Tranlu in whitefish. Yeah, okay, Nie,

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Speaker 1: isn't now like almost skipped the generation. Like anyone who traps,

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Speaker 1: family who didn't fish, especially in the state of Michigan.

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Speaker 1: But the Latvians probably eat a ton of fish. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we go out and visit there. They'd have a annual

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Speaker 1: saying ten day days ago? Was your first time out? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: me like, yeah, if you're gonna go out there, you'd

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Speaker 1: have to have a shact. Well, you guys, the right day. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've seen it nice out there, but generally it's like

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Speaker 1: windy enough where you're losing five gallon buckets right Like

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Speaker 1: a sudden it's just gone. No, the ice is scraped

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Speaker 1: almost clean, don't get snow on top. People come out there.

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Speaker 1: It's so windy that people come out an ice sail.

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Speaker 1: like basing on skates? Never see this? Oh yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: a windy as ice fishing lake right there. Uh Brant

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Speaker 1: Brant Mixel ice fish in my whole life from the

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Speaker 1: I'veen I like sabbing ice fishing for forty four years.

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Speaker 1: My mom and dad, I'll point out, for their honeymoon,

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Speaker 1: rented a living ice shanty that was the ice fished

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Speaker 1: for their honeymoon. So um, I was even even the

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Speaker 1: egg and then the egg and the mixings, the mixings

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Speaker 1: to make my component parts. Deep tradition in ice Angland. Now, Uh,

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Speaker 1: think to be like the ice fish in this state Minnesota. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would tend to agree. I was flying in recently.

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Speaker 1: I flew, Uh, I was flying until Lacrosse, Wisconsin, and

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Speaker 1: on the flight over over Minnesota, we passed over some

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Speaker 1: you meet people who only ice fish? Yes? Actually that

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Speaker 1: more associated with drinking. It's frequently associated with drinking, but

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Speaker 1: it's also you know, there's some different styles of people.

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Speaker 1: There's people that love ice fishing that I don't really

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Speaker 1: They more care about the drinking because they want to

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Speaker 1: then there's people that like want to catch fish and

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Speaker 1: people that don't ice fish. There's a perception of ice

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Speaker 1: like like ice fishing had, say, a perception problem. Grumpy

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Speaker 1: you see him stiggling, jiggling, jiggling. No, I just watch

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Speaker 1: his tailgalay, he was going back behind us. Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: was kind of like he wasn't like booking. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be surprised if he comes back through. It seems like

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Speaker 1: he was looking at the jig. But they just like

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Speaker 1: to circle it some times. Man, I was just thinking

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Speaker 1: we would do. It's been a little bit, we want it,

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Speaker 1: no almost excitement. Would you would have taken that poke, Steve, Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm at it. I'm in a different spot than you.

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Speaker 1: I would have taken the poke. No one would. I

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Speaker 1: now know me too, But no, I think if I

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Speaker 1: I would have taken a hail Mary, just one more past,

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Speaker 1: like duck hunting, let him get closer exactly. Oh so, anyways, Bryce,

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Speaker 1: that's that's exactly what I had in mind for not

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Speaker 1: only Minnesotan's but I and so uh so it's so long,

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Speaker 1: real quick they refresh my memory? How do they depict

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Speaker 1: as a kid, we would mostly jig for perch and

424
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: bluegills or pan fish croppy's perch, bluegills. But then you'd have,

425
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: like for big fish, you have this thing called a

426
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: tip up. And the tip up is what do you

427
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 1: guys do you guys? Have you guys called you guys

428
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: use the word dead stick for tip up? No? No,

429
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: when you guys say dead stick, what's that mean? It's

430
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: a rod that's not being jaked, just a piece of bait.

431
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: That's your term for a dead that's a term for

432
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 1: a dead stick. That's a love term for a dead stick.

433
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: A rod not being jigged, just hanging in the water,

434
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 1: usually next to like you'll be jigging a tube jag

435
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: in one hole, and then you have this other rod

436
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: that just has a piece of bait on it, not

437
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: moving at all, and that's your dead stick. That's a

438
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 1: term I hadn't heard. We would just call that like

439
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: a rod over there with some bait on it or

440
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: something like that. But like so a tip up is.

441
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 1: This is what tip up is. And there's many different

442
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: companies that make tippos, but a tip of b I

443
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: know where to begin to describe a tip of spool

444
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:45,719
Speaker 1: line spool line that has a spool of line in

445
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: which a spring loaded flag holds the line in place

446
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: until a fish bites. Then the fish can free spool

447
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: and the flag goes up, so you know you have

448
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: a bite and you can watch it from a distance

449
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: and you take Depending on your area's regulations, like in

450
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: so Lakes, you could put a live fish on the hook,

451
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: like not in Alaska. Nowhere in Alaska can't use live

452
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: bait and freshwater at all anywhere in the whole damn state,

453
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: which is weird because usually like rules here are a

454
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: bit more lax. But like in the Midwest, most places

455
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: you can use live baiting. Um The argument against like

456
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: what they don't want when people prohibit live bait. What

457
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: they're generally trying to prohibit. They're trying to prohibit you

458
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: purposefully or inadvertently introducing species of fish in the bodies

459
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: of water where they don't belong, so that you would

460
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: like take some suckers or whatever, shin or sucker, some

461
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: kind of fish, and you catch them out of one

462
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: lake or buy them somewhere, drive to an area where

463
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: that fish is no is not a native fish, and

464
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: you fish, and you get done, and you dump your

465
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: bait down the hole. And you just did what they

466
00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: call bucket biology and introduced a new species of fish

467
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: into an ecosystem where it didn't previously exist, and a

468
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: lot of fish get moved around that way. And also

469
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 1: that you would introduce diseases into waters that you don't

470
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: normally fish. But like growing up Michigan, like no one's

471
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: gonna set a tip up. No one in their right

472
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: mind is gonna set a tip up in Michigan that

473
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: doesn't have a live fish on the end. So you

474
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: rig a live fish, you hook them generally like right

475
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: kind of under the dorsal fin, and you send them

476
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: down under the water and you set your tip up

477
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: up and so you get that thing set to the

478
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: right depth if you want it, and we used to

479
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: you know, we'd fish piked six ft off the bottom. However,

480
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: you gonna set it up and then you position the

481
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: flag so that when a fish hits the thing and

482
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: starts pulling line, the flag pops up, and you might

483
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: be able to set anywhere from two to six tip

484
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: ups out and you put them all up. Everyone sits around,

485
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: shuffles around on the ice, talks. A lot of people

486
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: then begin getting drunk, and then eventually a flag comes up,

487
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: and someone else flag flag and you run over there

488
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: and lift the thing up with a hand line the

489
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: fish up, and that is like, because the unknown factor,

490
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: that is one of the more exciting things on this planet. Absolutely,

491
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: and it's hard to appreciate how fun it is to

492
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: see a flag pop until you've done it, and once

493
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: you've done it, you love it. It's just it's like

494
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: there's been times when there's just like a flag sitting

495
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: in one of our sleds. We're not using it right,

496
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: but that flag, for whatever reason, is popping up in

497
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: the air. You just see a flag in the air,

498
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: and that instinct in your body is triggered that you've

499
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: developed over a lifetime of waiting for flags to pop

500
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: uh as young as youngsters, we would sometimes like most

501
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: of the rules on tipops are usually this varies, but

502
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: generally it needs to be that you're like tending it

503
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: okay and needs to be your like in your immediate control.

504
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: How do they word it, usually closely attended, closely attended

505
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: and not just attended, meaning you can't go set them

506
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: somewhere and come back the next day to see what

507
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: you caught. Generally, I'm sure there's exceptions of this, but

508
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: generally you gotta keep an eye on it. So when

509
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: the ice when we were kids, we did this now

510
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: and then when the ice was good for ice skating,

511
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: we would be able to set our tip ups way

512
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: far apart because you could see them from a long

513
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: ways away, and then you just would skate around checking

514
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: them and it was like kind of like like hockey

515
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: with fish, just moving around chasing tip ups. But typically

516
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: you just like set them out, you scare them kind

517
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: of out through the ice around your shanny and observe them.

518
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: And that's tip up fishing, and what we've been doing

519
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: at night for Bourbon Like bourb it's a weird fish

520
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: because I want to cover here we've been taught with.

521
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: It's a whole bunch of different names. Like did't already

522
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: talk about different names from Bourbon? No? Okay? Like the

523
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: official name is what brand? The scientific scientific name? Load

524
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: of LOADA? How's it spelled? L O t A? Really?

525
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: Load of LOADA? Were you're like? What you know that fish? As?

526
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: Might depend a little bit on where you're from. I

527
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: when I first heard of the fish, I heard of

528
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: it as a lying but I became suspicious of that

529
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: name only later when I learned about the saltwater ling cod.

530
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: But people call him a ling even though it's a

531
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: freshwater cod. People will call them and eel pout, which

532
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: you've heard that in Minnesota. That's the main term. Someone

533
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: told me it's the main term. I think if you

534
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: live south of Highway to Yeah, once you get like

535
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: the first time I ever heard anyone refer doing as

536
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: lawyers was Lake of the Woods area, so like getting

537
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: into closer to Canada, I think that term might have

538
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: more of a Canadian origin. Yeah, I heard. Okay, that's

539
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: interesting because my friend Doug Derhn, who lives in West Wisconsin,

540
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: he had spent time living in Door Peninsula. They definitely

541
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: call him lawyers there, he says, they call him, Yeah,

542
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: he he knew that the guys there referred him as lawyers.

543
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: The first time I ever heard the fish referred to

544
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: as a lawyer was not far off Door Peninsula, but

545
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: it was fishing out of Garden Peninsula in Michigan's up

546
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: which kind of thumbs down southward. And the guys out

547
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: on the peninsula call him lawyers. And as he explained

548
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: to me, he's like, do you want to know why

549
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: they called a lawyer? And he opened it up and

550
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: showed me that it's heart sits right next to its

551
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: vent or. One might stay like because they'd say, like,

552
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: the heart's right close to the asshole. That's how you

553
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: know it's a lawyer. So that was what they called

554
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: lawyers when I first heard of the fish. Even though

555
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: I grew up in a state that has some in

556
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: the big northern waters, we didn't catch him where we

557
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: ice fished. We never talked about him. I got to Montana,

558
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: and they call him lying in Montana. Then they learned

559
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: those bourbon and they learned that some of you boys

560
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: call him eel pouts. And then there's another word. If

561
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: you look in fish books. I haven't heard anybody ever

562
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,239
Speaker 1: call him is clench. And on the East coast they

563
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: call him cusk. Oh, maybe that's it. Did we see

564
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: clench though, I haven't never heard of cusp the East

565
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: coast the usk like New Hampshire, that's what they call

566
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: him out there. Either way, if you're from the south

567
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: and you don't know about this, it's because it's a

568
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: northern tier fish. It's the fish is distributed across the

569
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: north so and around the globe and around oh yeah,

570
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: like yeah, talk about that brand, Like what a circumpolar

571
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:42,959
Speaker 1: speaking circumpolar? So they're uh on multiple continents across the

572
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: northern part of the globe. Other examples of circumpolar critters

573
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: would be polar bears. Polar bears, well, brown bears, grizzly

574
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: bears are circumpolar, were circumpolar. The blue muscle is circumpolar.

575
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: I believe that the Northern Pike, but there's like some variations,

576
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: but the Northern Pike. Find so a circumpolar thing would

577
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: be like imagine a certain latitude band. Um, if you

578
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: just take that latitude band and wrap it around the

579
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: whole earth, you'll find that species are very closely related

580
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: critters all within that same latitude band wrapped around the

581
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: whole earth, so circumpolar fish. And you're saying too that

582
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: they've been extra pated in places from Europe. I think

583
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: there's been areas where they've been over fished in Europe,

584
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: which is funny because in Minnesota, where you boys are from,

585
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: you were saying that a guy might be want to

586
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: pull a bourbon on the ice and leave it land. Yeah.

587
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: I saw that we did have um permanent ice jacks

588
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: and relax. When I was younger, I remember seeing just

589
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 1: piles of these things, and no one liked them because

590
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: they leave their um their rat oreels down at night

591
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: and then you pile would come fight the line and

592
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: then tangle all the lines up when they're trying to

593
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: fish for walleyes. Oh, so that's why. That's that's why

594
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: I didn't like them. They're ugly and I don't think

595
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 1: they're at least especially and as a kid, there was

596
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: not a reputation for them being good to eat, and

597
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: I never even tried eating one until I moved to Alaska.

598
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 1: There's no walleyes here. You gotta ice fish for something.

599
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: Figured out that not only are Bourbon fun to catch

600
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: and much similar to walleye fishing, but they're absolutely delicious. Yeah,

601
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: and not just that, but I remember, like guys that

602
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: commercial fishermen have an ability in some places where they're like,

603
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: had our commercial white fish seasons did, they'll even be

604
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: able to market the bourbon. So the tricky part about

605
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: bourbon the first time I started catching bourbon through the

606
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,959
Speaker 1: ice that I've never called a bourbon, not through the ice,

607
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: but the first place we start doing we would go out,

608
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: there's a lake, we'd go fish, We go fish for

609
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: perch during the daytime, and then it gets to be dusk,

610
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: and you would have like a narrow window of opportunity

611
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: around dusk time to set up tip ups and catch

612
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: the bourbon because their bite like perch, you cannot catch

613
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: a perch at dark Like there's some fish that don't

614
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: want to eat when it's dark out and some fish

615
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: that don't want to eat when it's light out. Yeah, pike,

616
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: the pike bite ends, the perch bite ends. You can

617
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: get bass to eat at night. Bourbon liked to eat

618
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: at dusk, even though it was caught a tanker at

619
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: noon today. But you know what I'm saying, like a

620
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: general thing, man, a general thing. So we've been doing

621
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: is going out and at night out here on this

622
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: lake and an interior Alaska setting up tip ups, which

623
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 1: we explained earlier for bourbon and real quick, can you

624
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 1: guys explain like the rags around, ah, how many lines

625
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: you're allowed to use when and all that kind of stuff. Yeah,

626
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: there is by water body in uh, most of the state,

627
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: you're whatever the daily limit is, are allowed to put

628
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: down that many hooks um on any water bodies where

629
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: it's more so on pretty much any water body, you

630
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: can fish two lines for any species of fish through

631
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: the ice. Um. On places where you're allowed more than

632
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: to keep more than two bourbons in a day, you

633
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: can have as many hooks down as is the limit.

634
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: But um, as soon as you do that, you're only

635
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,479
Speaker 1: fishing for bourbon. So then there's additional regulations about hook

636
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: size and the bait resting on the bottom and different

637
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: um criteria to try to I think limit buy a

638
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: catch of other species. Yeah. That's the thing that I

639
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: feel like we talked about this error day. It's the

640
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 1: thing that's not well understood by people who don't hunt

641
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 1: and fish the like how like tightly regulated in detail oriented.

642
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: The regulations are around all kinds of like harvest of

643
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: wild resources. So I'm trying to tike a way to

644
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: approach like the thing you're talking about with hook size. So,

645
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: like as Brand was saying a minute ago, you can

646
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: fish when your ice fishing, just generally ice fishing where

647
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: you're trying to hope to catch a variety of species,

648
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: you can fish two rods. The minute you commit that

649
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: you're only fishing bourbon. It's like, okay, now that you've

650
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: committed the only fishing bourbon, you can jump up and

651
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: put five. It depends on the lake. Yeah, on a

652
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: lot of On a lot of lakes, it's five a day.

653
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: Um in some areas and some like in rivers it's

654
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: fifteen a day. Okay, So let's say let's just say

655
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: we were in a lake that's five a day. That's

656
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: an easy number to work with. So all of a

657
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: sudden you're like, no, no, no no, man, I'm only after bourbon.

658
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: So they're like, okay. The regulations basically say to you, okay,

659
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: since you're only catching bourbon, we're gonna make sure that

660
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: you're only catching bourbon. At that point, they dictate to

661
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: you that you have to have a hook with a

662
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: three quarter inch gape greater than greater than three quarter

663
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: inch gape, and your bait has to be laying on

664
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: the bottom of the resting on the bottom. So what

665
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: they're trying to do there is be like, Okay, if

666
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: you're making a player where you're really just doing this,

667
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna allow you to have more lines, but we're

668
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: gonna do added regulations on top of that to prevent,

669
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: like you said a minute ago, from catching by catch.

670
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: So when we've been setting up at night, we're going

671
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 1: out and putting down like enough tip ups where it's

672
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: hard to keep track comy tip ups you have down

673
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: like where you're kind of wandering around the dark a

674
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: little bit trying to find them all because the snow

675
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: so damn deep. When you dig it out and drill

676
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: a hole through the ice, you your your tip up

677
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: sort of subsurface and they can vanish on you and

678
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: explain what you do, like how you get bait and

679
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: how you prep your bait for bourbon. Ah, we mainly

680
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: you do a personal use. Uh hooligan, I'm gonna open

681
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: the event. You're getting warm, should we turn the heater off?

682
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: The back. He sweating that. Let me open this other

683
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: one too? Did you pause it? No? What were what

684
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: were you talking about? Oh? How we get a bait? Yeah,

685
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: candlefish bait. Yeah. We go out dip net in and

686
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: uh we're all right, so go ahead, we dip net

687
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: our hooligan in the spring and package them some of them.

688
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: About that for mix. People have no idea what we're

689
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: talking about. They're a smell there, you know, some fair

690
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: number of people probably familiar with like rainbow smell in

691
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: the Great Lakes region. They're also a smell, but they're

692
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: larger and oilier. Um, they're common. One of their common

693
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: names is candlefish because you get so much oil out

694
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: of them because if you dry them out, you can

695
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: light them like a candle, which I still haven't tried.

696
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: Like I'm not exactly sure which end you're supposed to light,

697
00:40:54,080 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: but um um, I didn't know that. I thought it

698
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: was because you could render out oil that was flammable.

699
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 1: So it's mainly that. But you can, from what I understand,

700
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: you can dry them out and they'll burn like for

701
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: an extended period of time off that oil. And like

702
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: the they have two spellings. I'm gathering one must be

703
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: the kind of official spelling, which is e U C

704
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: h A L O N. Yeah, hooligan. Oh that's I

705
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: don't think it's actually pronounced hooligan. I think it's pronounced

706
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 1: you lican, youlicon. Yeah. But then there's a popularized spelling

707
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:38,439
Speaker 1: which is wholigan, like those hooligans who keep vandalizing my car.

708
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: H O O l I g A n or candlefish

709
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: and it's an anagramous fish lives out in the ocean,

710
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: runs up the river's spawn and there's so many that

711
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: I've never done this. I've done it for rainbow smell

712
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: years ago a fair bit. But they're running up so

713
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: much that you're just dipping blind. You're dipping a net

714
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: blind into the water. Yeah. And they spawn in the

715
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: lower reaches of silty rivers, typically social silt, right, So

716
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: there are rivers that you don't really have any visibility

717
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: in any ways. Um, there's some exceptions to that, but

718
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: so it's mainly you're blind dipping. But when it's good, uh,

719
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: you're getting good numbers in each in each swipe with

720
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: the net, and it's just a small like a bait net.

721
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,959
Speaker 1: I don't know what twelve or fourteen inch diameter. Y's

722
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: probably yes, probably about twelve I think. And you and

723
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: you scoop down and go with the basket with the

724
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: mouth and that aiming down river and swipe down with

725
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: the current to catch them coming up. Did you ever

726
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: when you're growing up, did you guys drop net for smelt? No?

727
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: I did very little that. Um. I didn't really grow

728
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: up in the Great Lakes area, so oh really, well, yeah,

729
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: I guess not. Yeah, you were way far away from

730
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: the Great Lakes, so uh yeah, like fishing rainbows smelt,

731
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: we would dip net like what brands talking about. But

732
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: usually site fishing now and then you have to blind up.

733
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 1: Usually you have landed, you put up, you'd sink a pole.

734
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,919
Speaker 1: You'd wait out into a stream close to the mouth,

735
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: or floating into the into the lake and drive a

736
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: pole into the mud and hanging lantern from the pole,

737
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: and you'd wait there and waiters and you see the

738
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: shadows coming by and you dip them like that. Or

739
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 1: you go out to pier walls and drop a thirty

740
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: six by thirties centchions square net on the bottom of

741
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: the lake near the mouth, and when schools would pass over,

742
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: you'd lit that drop net up and catch them. And

743
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: you could if you had it dial and had your

744
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: kind of gear right adjusted to the sensitivity the fish.

745
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: Like ofttimes you have to run pretty thin monofilment and

746
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: have your mash be the right color where it matched

747
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: on the bottom, or they wouldn't go over it. But

748
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: once you got dialed, you could catch like extraordinary numbers

749
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: of smell like that, like I was talking about one

750
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: night we caught there's people catch them anymore news. I

751
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 1: remember a night in particularly we caught eight five gallon

752
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: buckets of rainbow smell. And they're very good to eat.

753
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god, they're good. But the candle fish or Jolians,

754
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't have this quite the reputation of

755
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: rainbow smell. No, there are people that really like to

756
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: eat them. Um, but they're oilier and uh, they're larger,

757
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: so the bones are a little bit more prominent when

758
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: you're biting into them, and they don't crisp up nice

759
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: like when Danny cooks him, my brother cooks him. He

760
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: cleans them like a smell, which you eat him a whole,

761
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: just take the guts out. He fries them like a smell.

762
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: But then he puts them on a on a cooling

763
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: rack in his oven that sits over a baking sheet,

764
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: and then he puts it that on three degrees and

765
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: puts them in there for twenty minutes to drip all

766
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: the oil out. And when you pull that thing on,

767
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: that bacon sheet is full of oil. And then he

768
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: eats the candlefish. And my wife, yeah, my wife anything. Man.

769
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: My wife was like, not big into candlefish, but she'll

770
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: eat you know what I mean, She's pretty good about stuff.

771
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,479
Speaker 1: And the first one I tried to eat, I cut

772
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: a stick and tried to cook it over a fire,

773
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: and after gutting it and everything, the as it was cooking,

774
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: all the oil just basically squeezed it right off the

775
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: stick and fell into the fire that greasy Yeah, And

776
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 1: as the meat firmed up, it just squeezed it right off.

777
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: So to get back around on the bait, you're primarily

778
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: when you go out for Julians, you're primarily going out

779
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 1: for bait, which you used for hall a bit and everything. Yeah,

780
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 1: And I mean, herring is a great bait, but um,

781
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: there's not as many opportunities to catch it yourself. So

782
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: you're looking at a lot of money, dude, it is

783
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: so expensive. Buying hearing is expensive man. Yep, So this

784
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: is a it's a great bait fish that um for residents.

785
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: There's there's no limit on that fishery. Are non residents

786
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: allowed to dip hooligans? No, not at all. Nope, it's

787
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: a it's a personal used fishery, so it's limited to residents. Okay,

788
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: so then walk through how you turn it into bourbon bait. Uh.

789
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: This is pretty a labor process. I like to Brian.

790
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: I like to Brian my bait Joe and Bryce. I

791
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: like to use more fresh as frozen natural because you um,

792
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: because aesthetically your performance. I don't like getting blue dye

793
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: all over my hands. I think this brand's hands are

794
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 1: blue or green whatever the hot colors for the day,

795
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: or red some days. So you guys are going, you're

796
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 1: like taking your candlefish freeze them in galon size ziplocks. Yeah.

797
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: I like the vacuum seal a bunch just in a

798
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: single layer until I get sick of doing it because

799
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: I think it keeps them fresher. And they thought out quicker. Um.

800
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: But at some point you just gotta be done process,

801
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: you know. And when you got fifteen gallons of that

802
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: stuffs of hooligan, or however much you want. I normally

803
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: just go with cooler not like half the size of

804
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: a regular beer cooler, and I'll fill that up full

805
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: and then that's formally good for me. That takes how

806
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: long to net that? Uh, fifteen minutes sometimes okay, so

807
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: it could be like hot and heavy. Oh yeah, and

808
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: it's like we'll talk about Brian and bait for a minute.

809
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 1: So I like to brian bait for a few reasons.

810
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 1: One is it helps to firm it up. Hooligan can

811
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: be soft. Um, so it's a the basic component in

812
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: in a brine as salt um that helps to draw

813
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: moisture out of the out of the meat and firm

814
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 1: it up. And then I also like to add various

815
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: cents and dies and um, mainly because I just don't

816
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: have that much. I don't get to fish all that often.

817
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: And uh, there's time well relatively like relative to how

818
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: much you wish you fish, So I want to make

819
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: a count when I go out. Yeah, I got you, um,

820
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: but you're not a half assord Nope. And if there's

821
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: any uh, there's any little thing that might help help

822
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: you catch a couple more on a given day. I

823
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: like to try it. So you're using salt the firm

824
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 1: the thing up, and then you can buy it commercially

825
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 1: produce like bait enhancements. Yeah, you can buy commercially produced

826
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: brines that are already have a die in them, or

827
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: you can make there's different recipes with adding different things

828
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: into your brine to do the firmness. And then so

829
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: you can make your own brine with your own materials,

830
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: which is usually like salt and powdered milk, um and water,

831
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: and then you can add hairy oil or die turn

832
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: it whatever color you want um or buy the stuff

833
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: that's already made up commercial. Now have you been Brian

834
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: and helibut bait too? I have. I started doing that

835
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,240
Speaker 1: a salt, but I never do any of other stuff

836
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: to it. It's what I like to do is brine

837
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: it in a liquid brine and then drain it off

838
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: the liquid and then put just straight salt on it

839
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: and that will help keep it firm and keep it

840
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: from freezing, which when you're out ice fishing, it's annoying

841
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: when your bait's freezing. Um using rock salt or just

842
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: regular like table salt actually use table salt, you know,

843
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: at your cabin. See, we usually use rock salt, but

844
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: I think that the finer salt helps the coat it better,

845
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 1: um more surface area. So these hooligans then are blue Candy,

846
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: Blue candyd He's already gone. He's already gone. Well, I

847
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: mean he kind of came into the zone just enough

848
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: so I could see him. And where did he come from?

849
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: The deep? I just did a one eight back in there.

850
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: How did they change in their attit? Shoot so much? Lately?

851
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: We're in a real suck stretch here. Man, We're do yeah,

852
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: but they're just not coming in and lingering little pass throughs. No,

853
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: at least we know they're around. You know what I'm

854
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 1: talking about? TV earlier would be like if you're watching

855
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: TV and just now and then the program flickered on, right,

856
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: and then it flickered off again. That's what this is like.

857
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: And it flickers on and you're like, there's like an

858
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: action scene happening, and then it flickers off. You're like,

859
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: oh man, what happened? Heartbreaking? So catching Bourbon? Now, do

860
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: you how convinced are you that Bourbon liked to be

861
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: down deep? I'm real convinced of that. But that you

862
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: think that the evening, the low light triggers of Bourbon,

863
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: He's gonna come up and hunt the shallows, come up,

864
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: spend the daylight, uh, not moving around, not being very

865
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: active in deep water, and then coming up in the

866
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: shallow flash to chase bait fish and feed they you know,

867
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: they they're a bottom. They relate to the bottom there.

868
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: They kind of have that rough, rough fish look to them,

869
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: maybe like a catfish. So they you could see how

870
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,439
Speaker 1: there'd be a perception that they're like this lazy, scavenging

871
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: bottom feeder fish um, which is possibly another reason you know,

872
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: slimy bottom feed or why they get that nicknamed lawyer.

873
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: But they um, they're actually they feed mainly on live

874
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: fish and there it's like the kind of lawyer who

875
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: has a billboard in Las Vegas. In a fight, call me.

876
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: But they're very aggressive. So and uh, except for last night,

877
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: I guess under our hole they wanted to we found

878
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: seven that were not at all aggressive. They're curious, but

879
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: not aggressive. So it seems um, it seems like a

880
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 1: kind of an unassailable truth that Bourbon liked to live

881
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: down deep during the daylight hours and then as the

882
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: sun goes down, they come up shallow to hunt. Do

883
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: you feel that's pretty true. Yeah, I think that's pretty

884
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: standard in lakes in particular, in lakes in particular. So

885
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:27,479
Speaker 1: what we do is to fish them. You're going out

886
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: and at dusk setting up your tip ups in the

887
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: deepest we've been running has been water up to as

888
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: shallow as where that fish has to be bumping his

889
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: head on the ice as he swims around, like you

890
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't really think there's enough room for it to fit

891
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 1: under there. Yeah, it's like like, I mean literally a

892
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: gap of twelve or sixteen inches between the bottom of

893
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: the ice and the mud, and you have a bait

894
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: land there, and there's fish that are swimming around and

895
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:11,760
Speaker 1: that narrow that narrow gap of free water hunting or

896
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: spurting eggs because it's like the spawn time of year

897
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: and you set them all up and then you either

898
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: get like wham bam or just the stillness. Yeah, we've seen,

899
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: we've seen both. So the first night we set up,

900
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: by the end of the night we had ten ten

901
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: bourbon big fish from what to what inches, Well, the

902
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: top end would be fourteen pounds is the biggest so far.

903
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: The small end to be what like three or four pounds. Yeah,

904
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: there're going whitefish O skirt in the edge? What is

905
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: he doing up there? Come on, lure him down. I

906
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: think we gotta make no, no move to where no.

907
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: I think we gotta move with the jig away from

908
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: this beer hole. So when they skirt the edge, they

909
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: come under us. I completely disagree because we've had somebody

910
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: come up. We've had somebody come up. The smell of

911
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: the thing not for the last couple of hours think

912
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: about it like this brand Let's say, okay, I want

913
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: to pay I wanna just just bring into the debate here.

914
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: We haven't attracted basically, just have like a rig that

915
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 1: you would use to catch a whitefish. Little what's that

916
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: a little jig? Yeah, we have a little jig with

917
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: a little flasher above it, and a little jig is

918
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: tipped with the with the wax worm, and we're jigging

919
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: it and in the center of the big spirit hole.

920
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 1: And we've had quite a number of whitefish literally come

921
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: up to the thing, oddly not bite it, but just

922
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: come up to it and put their nose against it.

923
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: Some come under it, some come along to the side.

924
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: But it seems to be the last couple, I've kind

925
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: of skirted around the edge. Brandt thinks that we would

926
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: go a drill one right there. Yep, that's him coming back.

927
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: Shoot it. I might side shoot him because he's not

928
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: playing it, playing the ball with us. Oh, this is

929
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: gonna be a tough shot. Holy cow, he's still Is

930
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 1: he gonna come back? He's just holding tight and he's

931
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: standing there. We're not standing you know what I mean?

932
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: Like if a hold? Can you see him still? Do

933
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: you still see him? Yeah? I still see him? Is

934
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: he looking this way? He's like right underneath you. Brand

935
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: He's just messing around right up in the zone. Is

936
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: he coming in? I'm not quite. Do you still see him? Yeah? Really? Yeah,

937
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: he's right there. Try going down to the bottom with

938
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: the naft the jig allway to the surface, one or

939
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: the other. Try that just for a minute. He's gonna

940
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 1: come right up to the hole and oh my gosh,

941
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: I've never seen that in all the years of ice fishing.

942
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: What's the fish doing? Now? I he he went away,

943
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 1: He'll be back. I'm gonna laughing. He kind of eats

944
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: that wax he has floating down there. I hope he does.

945
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: That's a natural, nice natural presentation. Yeah, that's beautiful suggesting

946
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: since they seem to be skirting the edge, he's suggesting

947
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: going and drilling a hole over yonder, thinking that as

948
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: a skirt the edge, it'll bring him right below the

949
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: spear hole. I feel it would just make it the

950
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: bee that when fish are investigating it, there's so much

951
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: more out of sight. Where is he now? Oh? I

952
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: see him here? You know what he's gonna. Oh, he's

953
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 1: coming in. I might go for him. Oh you want

954
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: to try and brant? Oh did he spook? He might.

955
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,760
Speaker 1: I don't think he would have spooked here. Hold that again,

956
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: because he was at least up against the bottom there,

957
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: which makes him like a little bit more pinnable. I'm

958
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: not saying, like, put it far away, and maybe even

959
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: if if we just put it like three ft away,

960
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: we'd still be able to see it, but it would

961
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: give it would let them. You know, they're kind of

962
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: staying like five ft away from it, except for the

963
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: ones that come up and smell it. Are the ones

964
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: that come up underneath it, right, But that hasn't been

965
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: happening lately. What was that top about how my idea

966
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: is horrible? Yeah, but even before that bourbon coming up

967
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: shoutout of fee. So yeah, so you can like lay

968
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: by like a considerable bunch of poundage on bourbon meat.

969
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: And I think about a bourbon it looks like we

970
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 1: don't really get into what they look like. I think

971
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,959
Speaker 1: it looks like a frog and a snake made love,

972
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: where you have a very bull It's fishy, for sure.

973
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: It's like indisputably fishy, but has has bullfrog qualities to

974
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: the head, and the body is that of a like

975
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: an eel like snake like body covered in definitely snake

976
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: headish snake headish do you snake when you feel them?

977
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: They're not snake headsh But I think if you just

978
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: looked at two pictures of the two fish, oh you

979
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: mean like not a snake's head but a snakehead fish. Yeah,

980
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: for sure, they have similarities with like a bull fin two.

981
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: And they got that fin, like the dorsal fin runs

982
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: down the whole length of the thing. And then he's

983
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: got like a bottom what can you think it is

984
00:58:54,720 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: in the bottom is basically along his entire bottom. He

985
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: also looks like a bow fin, you know that fish,

986
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: dog dog fish or bofen A lot in common appearance

987
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: with a bow fin, but flesh wise dramatically better. And

988
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: they're covered in frog skin, Yeah, slimy skin, like like

989
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: more of a froggish skin than you'd find on say,

990
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: a catfish. When you go to cleanup bourbon, you can

991
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: just make a cut through the skin and peel the

992
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: skin off with a pair of players, and then you

993
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: got all the tail meat. So from the vent back

994
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: you can just kind of flay it off like a flay.

995
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: From the vent forward, you you're peeling off big backstraps

996
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: kind of. And the ribs are weird because the ribs

997
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: don't curve down but just kind of goes straight out,

998
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: so you're actually flaying off like a like a sizeable

999
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: chunk of meat. And the way that you always hear

1000
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: it described is is described as poor man's lobster. White

1001
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: fish right underneath you, right underneath you. No, jake down,

1002
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: not see it. You'll find him. Oh all right, got him?

1003
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,479
Speaker 1: This is a risky shot. Do you think he's gonna

1004
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:21,919
Speaker 1: turn it? All? Right? Wait, that's a tough shot. Yeah,

1005
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: that's a tough shot. Kind of getting out of it. Oh,

1006
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: you gotta be kidding me? Who did that? Not? Someone's

1007
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: going swimming. You know, earlier I was naming off all

1008
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: the names that there are for bourbon, which is endlessly

1009
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: fascinating to me. But when we're naming names, after I named,

1010
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: did some people call it poor man's lobster? No? I

1011
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: didn't talk about that. The reason folks call it poor

1012
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:57,439
Speaker 1: man's lobster is because a sort of the preferred way

1013
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: to eat bourbon is to prepare herrot like lobster, where

1014
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: you take the meat and boil it like you're doing

1015
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: a lobster boil, dip it and melted butter um, and

1016
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: just eat it boiled. But the thing that I can't

1017
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: figure out is, you know you've had like you've been

1018
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: to salmon boils and other kind of fish boils, Like

1019
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: do you think that the bourbon Like if I, let's

1020
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: say I took a chunk of walleye and a chunk

1021
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: of bourbon and boil them both, do you feel that

1022
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: you would eat the bourbon and be like man, that

1023
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: is better suited to this preparation than walleye. I've often

1024
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: wondered that because there's not really many fish species that

1025
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: you cook like that, just drop it in boiling water

1026
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: for a minute, in pieces um it does have a

1027
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: lot of distinct lobster like text your flavor. You feel

1028
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: like it full on does? Oh it does. I mean

1029
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:00,919
Speaker 1: it's like I don't know that he goes we eat

1030
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: them that way, but I don't know why we eat

1031
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: him that way because I just eat that works. They're

1032
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: called poor Man's lobster. Oh I think. I mean they

1033
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: taste like a saltwater fish more than a freshwater fish.

1034
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 1: So you feel that that's I'm definitely like, I definitely

1035
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: that's how I think about cooking them for shut man.

1036
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 1: Do you guys fry them too? Though I've never fried.

1037
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: I don't. I've never fried one of my life. Yeah,

1038
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: I fried them. Um, Usually I just don't have that much.

1039
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: So it's a bit of a novelty. And so it's

1040
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: just cool to cut them up into little they're like

1041
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: when you when you cross cut those backstraps, it's like

1042
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: little scallops and then drop those in the salty boiling

1043
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: water quick and dip them in butter. And I mean,

1044
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: it's it's cool, and it's like, rarely have people that

1045
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 1: you're serving it to ever even ever had it or

1046
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 1: heard of a bourbon before. So our friend Randy was

1047
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: saying that bourbons were so despised where he grew up

1048
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: in Minnesota among wall fisherman that if you caught a bourbon,

1049
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: people would go drill a new hole as the the whole,

1050
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: as the whole the hole had been tainted by the

1051
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 1: presence of that fish. But like and Wally are good,

1052
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 1: But I feel like people like I think almost I

1053
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 1: think Wally are better than they actually are. But there's

1054
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 1: a lot of fishers as good as Wallet. You're not

1055
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 1: gonna get any in a fish house full of minies

1056
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: out and as no one's gonna agree with you on

1057
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: that one. But like, did they feel like the Wallet

1058
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 1: is just like, like absolutely good? I think what people

1059
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 1: like when it, like Wally is wal They don't have

1060
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: any muddy taste. You don't need to do any extra

1061
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: kind of trimming, and it's just clean, white, benign. Right.

1062
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: It's the hallibit of the fresh water. Meaning that's like

1063
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: it's a blank slate. There's no fish. Oh nice one.

1064
01:03:54,920 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: Oh that's a good one. See it. Okay, okay, okay, Chord,

1065
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 1: I got you, I got you, I got you. I

1066
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 1: got That's not good. No, but it didn't spook him somehow.

1067
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 1: Podcast Chord went into the spirit man. He's kind of

1068
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: out of my zone though, he's going down. I got

1069
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: the spear three four ft in it, did you really? Yeah?

1070
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: It was a cock got shot yep. Oh, he's on

1071
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: here all right, poe him up. Nice work, that was shot,

1072
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: Holy mackerel. That's how we do it. Careful, careful, careful.

1073
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: There we go, got him. I was impressed. Impressive underneath

1074
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: underneath us. Yeah, that was like see my sports analogies,

1075
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 1: I'm they're so data. I feel like that was like

1076
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 1: Larry Bird, right, that was like a trick shot. There

1077
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 1: we go. That's impressive. Here you go throw them outside,

1078
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: starting to get decent numbers. Nice? Nice, nice? So what

1079
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 1: happened there was the embraser Bricey and Breser. You feel

1080
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 1: like you sucked him in. I feel like you're do

1081
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: you feel like you're in the driver's seat right now? Ah? Sometimes,

1082
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 1: But then again, I can't tell if I'm bringing them

1083
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: in or spooking them away, So you don't like you're

1084
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 1: not getting the sense that like you're uh that they're

1085
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: coming like eyeball on that thing. Ah. Some of them do,

1086
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: but some of them just don't really seem to care

1087
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: about what I'm doing here, But why are they showing up?

1088
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 1: Then here's what I'd like to no more than anything,

1089
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: if you let's say all of us each had a

1090
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: hole like this, would we all be seeing about the same. Yeah,

1091
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: it's just like a total of random distribution of fish

1092
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,919
Speaker 1: that happen to be passing through or creating a little

1093
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 1: micro environment, you know, with the jig and the light.

1094
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 1: The light difference, I guess probably doesn't look too No,

1095
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: it hasn't looked different from their perspective. And yes, either way,

1096
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 1: what this happened is whitefish came in. It was a

1097
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: little bit noncommittal. Um, A lot of guys were thinking, Uh,

1098
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 1: you know, Steve, he's a great man. I don't think

1099
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 1: he can pull this off. Uh, I think he's finally

1100
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 1: met his match. And in and in the end, I

1101
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 1: came through. That fish was far enough underneath us that

1102
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 1: I could not see it. Steve was leaning over the whole,

1103
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: looking under us and throwing backwards, and I couldn't even

1104
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 1: see the fish, nor that the spear stuck. It is

1105
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 1: how far under as it was. It was like a

1106
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 1: shot from three ten ten ft behind the three point line. Yes,

1107
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 1: exactly exactly eleven ft. Uh, where were so Helmett? That

1108
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 1: those bit of action there we're talking about eating relative

1109
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 1: oh that I was saying. I was saying that a walleye.

1110
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 1: And this is not the bash on Wall because I

1111
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 1: love I like I like everything about Wall. I like

1112
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 1: catch them looking at him, love eating them. But I'm

1113
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 1: saying it's kind of like a hall a bit type

1114
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 1: fish where it's sort of a blank slate. It's like

1115
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 1: white flesh flakes, nice clean tasting. You can kind of

1116
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: do anything with it. No one's going to eat it

1117
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 1: and be offended by it, you know, but I feel like, well,

1118
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 1: to me, I don't know, you guys should describe it.

1119
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 1: You guys are probably eating more than I have. But

1120
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 1: never had walleye before in my life. Well, I've never

1121
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 1: even caught wall. There's only two Minnesota, because it's not

1122
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: a wall in Alaska. No, no, or I don't know

1123
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: if they're an I don't definitely. Where I was in

1124
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 1: the red in the reservoir systems, being in Minnesota and

1125
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 1: eating a lot of while I thought, I think that's

1126
01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: what it tasted like because to me a little that

1127
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: I've eat it. When I taste it, I don't taste

1128
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 1: to me, then you know if you're if you're a

1129
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 1: lover of hell, but don't get mad at me. But

1130
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 1: to me, it's a little on the bland side. It's

1131
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: such a blank slate or wally. There is some flavor there.

1132
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: There's a sweetness maybe too. I agree sweetness. You feel

1133
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 1: the wallet has more flavor than hell of It, definitely,

1134
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 1: and I think it has a better consistency. I think

1135
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 1: you'd rather have a pound of Wall than a pound

1136
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 1: of hell of It any day. I mean, I don't

1137
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 1: know that I wouldn't, but I think if you went

1138
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 1: and pulled most Americans, there's not going to agree with that.

1139
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 1: But brand give your take on what Wall I taste like. Um.

1140
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:44,680
Speaker 1: I think Johanna summed it up pretty good there. I

1141
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 1: think they're they're mild, so they don't have a fishy taste.

1142
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 1: They don't have a strong flavor at all. Um. They

1143
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 1: can take on whatever season means you want to flavor

1144
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:57,520
Speaker 1: them with. But they have a bit of a sweetness

1145
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 1: and their firm and um as opposed to halibt that

1146
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 1: can get if you cook it like a touch too long,

1147
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 1: you can get a little dry or even kind of

1148
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 1: threaded like chicken can, whereas Whalleye fish straight down, straight down,

1149
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 1: Get him at the jig. Come on the nice round one,

1150
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 1: Come on eagle, nice nice right in that lift up

1151
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:32,719
Speaker 1: gentle you got and then swinging this way. Nice shot

1152
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 1: with your reactions. Oh no, that was exciting to say.

1153
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 1: Oh about a miss. Oh look at that right in

1154
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 1: the nice shot you're stoned him looking he's out and

1155
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,640
Speaker 1: he's not even flapping his tail. Yeah, bring him up.

1156
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: Oh man, the brain Yanna the plug us, nice shot,

1157
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 1: Nice shot. Man. Okay, first one, we'll talk up the lot.

1158
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 1: Be honest, is batting a thousand lifetimes? Next time we

1159
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:16,640
Speaker 1: see John, this is gonna have a hat, says the

1160
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 1: dark House Sama. Nice shot. Okay, back to Wally because

1161
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna get the whitefish edibility soon, very soon. Joe,

1162
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 1: do you have any thoughts on the flavor of Walleye. No,

1163
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:43,759
Speaker 1: I mean, like, see what's saying. Most people would probably

1164
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 1: prefer hal that over while, but I'm with Brandt. I

1165
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: like the Wally more. And I don't know if that's

1166
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:53,639
Speaker 1: because it's not as readily available to us up here,

1167
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 1: or if it's because I just like the texture better.

1168
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 1: You mean because in Alaska it turned around without bumping

1169
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 1: into a helibot for a bag of helibut place. Yeah,

1170
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 1: it's so along that lines and how it matters what's

1171
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: most abundant. So when I was back in Minnesota ice

1172
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 1: fishing with buddy's this winner, I brought, you know how,

1173
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 1: a bit to share with everyone and salmon. And none

1174
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 1: of my Minnesota buddies who catch walleyes all the time,

1175
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 1: they all thought I was crazy saying that I like, well,

1176
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 1: I better than hal but it they say, oh, how,

1177
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: but it's better out of town because they don't have it.

1178
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: It's different, but they have a freezer full the walleye. Yeah.

1179
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 1: When I say that the fish is approachable or like,

1180
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 1: people like it and it's a blank slate, what I

1181
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:46,799
Speaker 1: mean is this is like, okay, take a fish like mackerel. Okay,

1182
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,759
Speaker 1: for a lot of people, it's too oily, too dark,

1183
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: too strong flavored. But there are people who are gonna like,

1184
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 1: know how to cook it and wind up loving it

1185
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 1: so much that it makes for the detractors. And I

1186
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 1: think with halibit or walleye, there's people who kind of

1187
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 1: I don't generally like fish, Like I'm not a fish person,

1188
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 1: But I like wallee, I'm not a fish person by

1189
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 1: like halibut because it's it's just a kind of a

1190
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 1: and I'm not talking down on it or being mean

1191
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:18,799
Speaker 1: about it, but I'm saying it's kind of a safe

1192
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 1: mild like it doesn't inspire a lot of it doesn't

1193
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:27,640
Speaker 1: inspire a ton of love, and it doesn't inspire a

1194
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 1: ton of hate, except for it inspires a lot of love. True,

1195
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 1: And I think bourbon falls right into that same category.

1196
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 1: It means what a mild white meat that um isn't strong,

1197
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 1: but has a good natural flavor in a good texture,

1198
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: in a good texture with whitefish. See, so hold on,

1199
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 1: come when I add something to this whole, Uh poor

1200
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 1: man's lobster. Oh yeah, poor Man's lost. When I was

1201
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,879
Speaker 1: where in an old Tuscanini and be a great Colorado,

1202
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 1: That's where he got the name long tang Yanni because

1203
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:11,640
Speaker 1: he manned the long tongs at the Tuscany in the

1204
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:13,640
Speaker 1: grill and he had to set a long tongs and

1205
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:23,600
Speaker 1: long tang yanni. Um, we're bringing a fish called the monkfish.

1206
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 1: And that was also that's got a good liver. Referred

1207
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 1: to it to as uh poor man's lobster. It was no,

1208
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: yeh monkfish liver monthfish flesh monthfish. I never heard that,

1209
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 1: and again I have. I mean I don't fit. You know,

1210
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:45,720
Speaker 1: it's like I don't fish for him, so we don't

1211
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 1: talk about him as much. But that's just yeah, I've

1212
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 1: never heard that before. Hey, Brent, can you touch on?

1213
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 1: Can you touch on bourbon liver? Kind of like start

1214
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 1: out by how they have a gigantic liver and proceed

1215
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 1: from there. Yeah. So everyone's familiar with cod liver oil right, um,

1216
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 1: And so as we've talked about, bourbon are the only

1217
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 1: species of freshwater CODs, so they have the same trade

1218
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 1: of a very large and oily or fatty liver. Um

1219
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 1: that it can be cooked in a few ways. It's

1220
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 1: I think it's a it's a delicacy in some places.

1221
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 1: I think, um, in France, I think bourbon liver is

1222
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 1: popular freshwater bourbon liver of course freshwater, but freshwater fish

1223
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 1: liver um. And so I've just recently started doing this

1224
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 1: as I learned about it. But um, because you heard

1225
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 1: about bourbon liver eating or just because you're like, well, hey,

1226
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 1: it's got a big liver like a cod I'm gonna

1227
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 1: try to cook it. I actually because I heard about

1228
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 1: it as bourbon. It was introduced as well. It's a cod,

1229
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:56,920
Speaker 1: so it's similar. But the way that I've done it

1230
01:14:57,080 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 1: the last couple of years is just slice thin and

1231
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 1: then drop it in an ungreased frying pan and the

1232
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 1: dry pan a dry pan, and that um there's so

1233
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 1: much oil in that liver, it'll just create its own grease.

1234
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 1: It'll render out, and then you're basically just frying it

1235
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 1: in its own oil and it'll just it'll crisp up,

1236
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 1: real nice um on both sides. So you're just just

1237
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 1: kind of zapping it once you get oil in there,

1238
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 1: and you don't want to overheat that oil because I

1239
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 1: made that mistake and it smells fairly bad. But when

1240
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:35,599
Speaker 1: you just just brown it, it kind of crispss up

1241
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 1: and it's it's not gamey at all. Like it's a

1242
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 1: real nice flavor and that just add a little bit

1243
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 1: of salt. It's good. It's good. Do you ever drink

1244
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:48,720
Speaker 1: the oil afterward or is that too strong? I have

1245
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:52,800
Speaker 1: not that that oil has definitely some flavor to it.

1246
01:15:54,439 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 1: There must be too um fish oil. Stories years ago,

1247
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 1: I was down in you know the species of asiatic

1248
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 1: carp that have gotten into the Mississippi drainage. It was

1249
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 1: like several. So there's big head silver that's kind of

1250
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:15,720
Speaker 1: the primary ones, the flying carp being the silvers. And

1251
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 1: there's another one big head carp. And these are carp

1252
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:24,200
Speaker 1: that they we're using to clean aquaculture facilities. So these

1253
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 1: are like herbivorous carp um filter feet, like yeah, filter

1254
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 1: feeding carp that they would put in these aquaculture facilities

1255
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:36,720
Speaker 1: where they're raising catfish or tlapia, and they'd use the

1256
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 1: carp to maintain the tanks. And during flooding, uh, you know,

1257
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 1: the the aquaculture facilities will be like overrun with water.

1258
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 1: The carp escape and get out into the main Stem

1259
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 1: river channel. Now they're all over in the and then

1260
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:55,440
Speaker 1: some of these stretches of the river. The primary biomass

1261
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 1: of fishing these rivers is these carp So there's been

1262
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 1: a lot of brew how about what to do with them.

1263
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 1: And there are some commercial fishermen that are operating um

1264
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:08,720
Speaker 1: up and down the Ohio and Mississippi rivers and I

1265
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 1: think some other branches of it as well, netting these

1266
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 1: carp up and they're sending them overseas to Israel for

1267
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:18,800
Speaker 1: the filth fish and various other processed fish preparations, and

1268
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 1: people for a while, we're thinking, oh, if we could

1269
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 1: just catch them all, um, we'll take care of the problem.

1270
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 1: And so they would set requirements where they want to

1271
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 1: be able to catch all the carp out but not

1272
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 1: destroy the game fish. So they would come out and

1273
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 1: say like, okay, you can use whatever inch mesh net.

1274
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 1: You can use a four inch mesh net to catch carp,

1275
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 1: thinking that your game fish can be small enough to

1276
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 1: fit through the mesh. And they could go into these

1277
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 1: areas and pretty much remove and in very specific areas

1278
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:52,479
Speaker 1: in certain situations, they could go in and put a

1279
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 1: real dent on the large introduced carp. But what they

1280
01:17:57,720 --> 01:17:59,679
Speaker 1: would find then is you would still have the same

1281
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 1: oundage of carp in the watershed. It would just be

1282
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:04,879
Speaker 1: the poundedge would be comprised of much smaller fish brass,

1283
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 1: a much larger fish than just this ongoing problem. If

1284
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 1: you want to go read about it, you can go

1285
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:11,720
Speaker 1: read about all the different thoughts in it. One of

1286
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 1: the most pressing issues around these introduced carp species is

1287
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:19,720
Speaker 1: that they will get up into the Great Lakes Watershed.

1288
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 1: Now you know, of course the Ohio, Missouri, Mississippi, Tennessee. Right,

1289
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 1: these all flow, these all wind up flowing into the

1290
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 1: Mississippi fish. Fish spooked the jig just too aggressive? You

1291
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 1: drop it on the ground. Yeah, I was well starting

1292
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 1: to pick it up again, and then you guys started

1293
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 1: yelling fair. So I tried to set it on the bottom.

1294
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 1: And you'm intending that line a little bit for me. Okay,

1295
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:50,640
Speaker 1: maybe just hang it there and just stop digging it.

1296
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I kind of like that. I

1297
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 1: don't know. I feel like, well, like when when the

1298
01:18:56,800 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 1: fish comes in, dropping it to the ground like a

1299
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 1: quick movement, scaring the bejeebas out of him. So I'm

1300
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:07,679
Speaker 1: off on a little bit of a side, don't hear about.

1301
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 1: It's gonna continue for a minute, because a big fear

1302
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 1: about these asiatic carp that have invaded the Mississippi drainage.

1303
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 1: Areas straight down that another one that's a different one.

1304
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 1: That's a bad angle. I might wait, No, he's not

1305
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 1: even a contender anymore. I have a shot at him.

1306
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:33,599
Speaker 1: Do you take it? Well? You might, man, that line,

1307
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 1: that's a big angle. He's right blow us now, Oh,

1308
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 1: definitely dodged a was skidadlan. As that thing was coming down,

1309
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 1: he moved it. Sure seemed like a holy mackerel. I

1310
01:19:56,200 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 1: thought I had him. Who's up? Be honest? Is up? No?

1311
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 1: I'm up. So a fear with these asiatic carve species

1312
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 1: that have gone and invaded this river system is that

1313
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 1: they would get into the Great Lakes. And what I

1314
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 1: was saying is like, so the Tennessee, Ohio, Missouri, like

1315
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 1: everything flows into Mississippi. Um the river that Ben met

1316
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:23,799
Speaker 1: the writer Ben Metcalf calls the American Heartworm and flows

1317
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 1: out into the Gulf of Mexico, you know, in New Orleans,

1318
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 1: around New Orleans. So the Great Lakes, that whole system

1319
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 1: flows out through the St. Lawrence sea Way into the Atlantic.

1320
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 1: But years ago they made a shipping canal to connect

1321
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 1: the Great Lakes Watershed to the Mississippi Watershed. So you

1322
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 1: can now do what you would not have been able

1323
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 1: to do, you know a hundred years ago. Do you

1324
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 1: know when they dug that canal two hundred years ago?

1325
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 1: I don't wanna mess that up. Two hundred years ago,

1326
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 1: you'd not have been able to go up to Mississippi

1327
01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:59,560
Speaker 1: and finagle your way into the Great Lakes. There's different watersheds,

1328
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 1: but they made an artificial connecting point. And they're afraid

1329
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 1: that these carps that are now in this river and

1330
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 1: the Mississippi drainage will make the jump by going through

1331
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 1: this shipping canal and invading the Great Lakes. And what

1332
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 1: they've done to prevent this from happening is the Army

1333
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 1: Corps of Engineers runs an electoral barrier. So there's a

1334
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 1: bunch of water there that they have, like an electrified

1335
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 1: water that's meant to prevent fish from wanting across that barrier.

1336
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 1: And that's what's what's that I said, no ship, Yeah,

1337
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:35,480
Speaker 1: that's what they have to keep. That's what they installed

1338
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 1: to keep these cart from coming in invading the Great Lakes.

1339
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:40,560
Speaker 1: So there's been a real thing like what are we

1340
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 1: gonna do with all these damn carp So people have

1341
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:44,720
Speaker 1: been kicking around different ideas of how to make it

1342
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 1: a marketable And this guy had built this facility where

1343
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 1: he was going to start. Everybody was all, you know,

1344
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 1: everybody's always talking about eating Omega three fatty acids, people

1345
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,640
Speaker 1: like cod liver oil. It's a like you can extract

1346
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 1: fat from these cart So I went to visit this

1347
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:04,960
Speaker 1: little mobile processing facility that he was beginning to test out,

1348
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 1: and he wanted to get I think it was like

1349
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 1: f D A approval to be able to make this

1350
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 1: carp oil and put it in pill form. And I

1351
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 1: go down there to see his facility and he's showing

1352
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:19,680
Speaker 1: me he's got like a bottle of oil that he's

1353
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 1: extracted from his cart and you smell it smells just

1354
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:27,080
Speaker 1: like cod liver pills, cod liver oil um. And I

1355
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 1: have a little sip of it and it was like

1356
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 1: pretty peppery and like very cod liver oily. And they're

1357
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:35,680
Speaker 1: going and investigate this little like centrifuge type machine he's

1358
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 1: using to make this stuff. You couldn't have fit another

1359
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 1: maggot net thing, man. I remember being like this kind

1360
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:43,320
Speaker 1: of turned offs. I felt a little bit like I'd

1361
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 1: been duped into eating maggot oil. I mean, it was

1362
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 1: just like he hadn't been cleaning to think it was

1363
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 1: the nastiest thing. I don't know if that every guy

1364
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 1: ever got it off the ground, but I was like

1365
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:54,200
Speaker 1: a weird case scenario with that stuff. But the other

1366
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:56,439
Speaker 1: thing that was not weird, yeh do you remember up

1367
01:22:56,479 --> 01:23:00,120
Speaker 1: on now Nevak Island when we were fishing to i'm

1368
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:02,639
Speaker 1: cod through the ice. Do you remember eating those livers

1369
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 1: dipped in seal oil? That was not bad? Yeah, So

1370
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 1: the Eskimo of noon novak um like tom cod liver,

1371
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 1: which is probably another one that's very similar but very

1372
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:23,760
Speaker 1: small fish. So we've covered bourbon up and down on

1373
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 1: eating I want to know, touch on eating whitefish, and

1374
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:37,560
Speaker 1: this is like a one where they're not all universally

1375
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 1: appreciated because people have I feel like people have the

1376
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 1: same from a table fair stance. People kind of have

1377
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 1: a similar perspective of Mountain whitefish, which is the white

1378
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 1: fish living like anyone who's fished the West knows him

1379
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 1: as being a fish of the trout streams. But whereas

1380
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 1: rainbow try if you're fishing in the Rockies, you catch

1381
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:02,640
Speaker 1: a rainbow trout, that's a non native fish that's been

1382
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: introduced into that system by you know, out of barrels

1383
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 1: unless you're on the Pacific Slope. If you're on the

1384
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 1: Pacific Slope, you can have native rainbows, but anything that

1385
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 1: flows east, absolutely you're fishing a non native fish species.

1386
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:24,759
Speaker 1: When you're fishing brown trout, you're fishing a non native

1387
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 1: that's a European trout. So when people think they're in

1388
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:31,439
Speaker 1: some pristine Western thing catching brown trout and rainbow trout,

1389
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 1: you're catching fish that got dumped into the place out

1390
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 1: of a barrel. It's basically like it's kind of like

1391
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:38,040
Speaker 1: a make it's a little bit of a make believe fish.

1392
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 1: But living there alongside him is mountain white fish, which

1393
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 1: looks strikingly similar to the round fish that we're eating

1394
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:49,640
Speaker 1: here and or catching here in Mountain whitefish are like

1395
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't like them, like all the

1396
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:55,760
Speaker 1: trout fishing. You've done your honest what has been So

1397
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:59,559
Speaker 1: do your general take on what people think of mountain whitefish. Oh,

1398
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 1: they h eat him, like them those Minnesotan street the

1399
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 1: eel pout. I mean they I've seen guys just give

1400
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 1: them the death squeeze and act like they release them,

1401
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:11,600
Speaker 1: to give them the desk squeeze. Throw him on the

1402
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 1: bank so the birds eat them. I mean, just no

1403
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 1: respect at all. Who eat them? Until I talk to you?

1404
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:21,720
Speaker 1: When they do that, are they thinking that that it's

1405
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 1: gonna make more room for more non native fish by

1406
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 1: getting rid of that fish? Yes, like they don't want

1407
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 1: him competing with the They don't want the natives competing

1408
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:32,479
Speaker 1: with the non natives. They don't. Yeah, well they don't. Yeah.

1409
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:35,799
Speaker 1: The sport fish, the ones that jump right, the suckers

1410
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:40,559
Speaker 1: get the same treatment. Yeah, we started eating them because

1411
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 1: we would take them in, brine them and smoke them

1412
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 1: and make like whitefish dip out of him. Uh. Chef

1413
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:53,920
Speaker 1: Eduardo Garcia smokes them and puts them in empanadas. Little

1414
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 1: danker two. Yeah, he came in hot and crazy. I'm

1415
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 1: not evenna get ready for him. Him. He looked like

1416
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:05,599
Speaker 1: he was running from a big bourbon. Did he come

1417
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:08,560
Speaker 1: and go? He just came in like hen. That was

1418
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 1: just a pass through. Many tend the line for him. Yeah,

1419
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:14,600
Speaker 1: I got it. Well it's under your boot right now.

1420
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 1: So that's good. So that's kind of like the Mountain

1421
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:24,120
Speaker 1: white fishers. I think it's a pretty good fish, but

1422
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 1: it's weird because there's so much variability and whitefish. So

1423
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 1: like in the Great Lakes you have the lake white fish,

1424
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:33,599
Speaker 1: which has a commercial market that is like a phenomenal fish,

1425
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 1: very white texture, but it's bony and you gotta debone

1426
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 1: it here. I think that a lot of one. You

1427
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:42,720
Speaker 1: can cut a full on filet off of it. You

1428
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 1: can cut a full on yeah, you you can go

1429
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 1: in and take them and take a lake white fish,

1430
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:50,679
Speaker 1: which your highly respected. So in the Great Lakes, lake

1431
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 1: whitefish are as easily as esteemed as walleye, perhaps more so.

1432
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 1: And there's a limited the Chippewa uh UM hold some

1433
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 1: commercial license that they use trap nets to kate to

1434
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 1: catch lake whitefish, and they and then they market the

1435
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 1: caviar as well, and they catch some big gas bourbon

1436
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 1: as bycatch in those trap nets, but other people target

1437
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:17,919
Speaker 1: them and they have a really good reputation. You can flamem,

1438
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 1: but you have one line of pin bones that you

1439
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:22,679
Speaker 1: got to remove on a white fish. But yeah, they're

1440
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 1: excellent fried as sandwiches. They export them, eat them in Europe.

1441
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 1: Good fish up here. This is like they use allow

1442
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:38,680
Speaker 1: them to feed dogs and stuff. That's not true, you know,

1443
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 1: I don't honestly know. I think that um. Historically, whitefish

1444
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 1: were an important source of food, uh primarily in the

1445
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 1: winter because it was a fish that was catchable in

1446
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:54,360
Speaker 1: the winter, and I believe in that used as dog food.

1447
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 1: But with nets or traps um, I'm not sure how

1448
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 1: much fish is used as dog food now just people

1449
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 1: don't run sled dogs and stuff as much anymore. Um.

1450
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:09,720
Speaker 1: I mean there's areas where people do I know that

1451
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 1: there's you know, certainly some fish is used to feed dogs. Um.

1452
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:17,640
Speaker 1: And I think there's people that use white fish for it.

1453
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,439
Speaker 1: What's the general like in Alaska, what's the general reception

1454
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 1: of the speed of of whitefish's table fair in Alaska?

1455
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 1: I think it's uh a little bit unknown. I mean,

1456
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:31,519
Speaker 1: I think, for one thing, I think whitefish is kind

1457
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 1: of overshadowed by all the other great tasting fish we have.

1458
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:40,160
Speaker 1: And as far as like the sport side of things,

1459
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 1: there's just not that many people that get after it

1460
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:48,879
Speaker 1: for whitefish. Um. There's some personal use or subsistence fisheries,

1461
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 1: like in the Chattanika you can spear them as they're

1462
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:55,599
Speaker 1: spawning in the fall and people that people do that. Um.

1463
01:28:57,200 --> 01:29:00,720
Speaker 1: And there are there's some subsistence uh netting in some

1464
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:04,759
Speaker 1: parts of the state for whitefish. Oh, huge bourbon, huge

1465
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:11,960
Speaker 1: bourbon jig. That was he paying attention? He didn't He

1466
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 1: wasn't he was moving. That was a big fish. Holy cow,

1467
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 1: I didn't even see it. Yeah, he went right under you.

1468
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 1: Bryce was as big as that that that fourteen pounder

1469
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:26,799
Speaker 1: pretty close that it was in that size class. Definitely,

1470
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 1: no way that was cool. Oh man, I watschall have

1471
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:34,000
Speaker 1: seen it. They're out cruising our edge that were set

1472
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 1: up on? What's that? You got him on? Dirt? Just

1473
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 1: open that window? Oh you got him on, you got

1474
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 1: him filmed, he's got he's got him, he's got him

1475
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:56,479
Speaker 1: on the hook. Oh nice yot dirt. How big is it?

1476
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:05,760
Speaker 1: You're exaggerating, but it's a dandy dirt. So you don't

1477
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 1: need a flasher. All that talk about maxis I don't know.

1478
01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:20,679
Speaker 1: Good job dirt, that's a giant. Oh we're in here working.

1479
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:27,720
Speaker 1: Garrett's out there just fishing. So right, so you were

1480
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:30,759
Speaker 1: like had a camera aim and down making pretty pictures

1481
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:33,600
Speaker 1: as is your job, and you were fishing, which is

1482
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:36,880
Speaker 1: not your job, and all of sudden, whamole there he was.

1483
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:46,840
Speaker 1: That's good work. Do you guys feel that when he

1484
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:49,000
Speaker 1: went by that he was headed to his dad like

1485
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:50,960
Speaker 1: he had a mission. He was on a line of

1486
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:55,800
Speaker 1: that jing. You stole that fish from us. That's a

1487
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 1: nice fish. That's probably like a like like a twelve

1488
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:04,559
Speaker 1: pound berd bit eight. So he went out and looked at,

1489
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:15,559
Speaker 1: so he's not even close to the fourteen or nice work,

1490
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:23,560
Speaker 1: nice work laying, buy some meals, all right, Shut the

1491
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:28,120
Speaker 1: windows back to spearing, get the dark house back in action.

1492
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:34,479
Speaker 1: Oh no, what are you talking about, man, Keep jagging,

1493
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 1: keep stacking them up. We'll be able to snag it up.

1494
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 1: So there's a book I'm reading right now called The

1495
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:48,040
Speaker 1: Land of Feast and Famine, and it's about uh fur

1496
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:52,000
Speaker 1: trappers who were working around Great Slave Lake in the

1497
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:57,160
Speaker 1: I think in the thirties the twenties, late twenties, and

1498
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:00,200
Speaker 1: uh Man for they're like because he's a guy eyes

1499
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 1: that had are traveling by canoe and they had to

1500
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:06,280
Speaker 1: carry their sled dogs with them in the canoe because

1501
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:10,800
Speaker 1: they're traveling into the trapping grounds. And then when everything

1502
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:14,280
Speaker 1: freezes up, they make sleds and the dogs pull the sleds.

1503
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:17,120
Speaker 1: So they spent most of their time in the summertime

1504
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 1: fishing whitefish with nets to keep you know, the dogs

1505
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:24,280
Speaker 1: fed every night. And then when it starts to freeze

1506
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:25,680
Speaker 1: up in the winter, when they know they can keep

1507
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 1: fish frozen, then they just net whitefish in order to

1508
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:34,479
Speaker 1: feed the dogs throughout the winter. In order to feed

1509
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:37,439
Speaker 1: themselves throughout the winter and also to use some for

1510
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:42,120
Speaker 1: trapping bait. And these guys will go in this book,

1511
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:46,479
Speaker 1: they talk about periods where they're going literally months eating

1512
01:32:46,720 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 1: nothing but whitefish cooked on a spit over a fire,

1513
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:57,360
Speaker 1: in the intense cravings that you would get living that lifestyle.

1514
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:00,639
Speaker 1: But he would say that the thing could get over.

1515
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:03,000
Speaker 1: Like Stephenson talks about this too, is like you can

1516
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:07,519
Speaker 1: get over salt. Like they are, taste for salt is

1517
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:10,280
Speaker 1: an acquired taste. And you say, when you go months

1518
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:12,400
Speaker 1: and months and those salt, you lose that feeling of

1519
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:15,560
Speaker 1: wishing you had salt on your meat. And when Stephenson

1520
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:20,719
Speaker 1: would travel into the village like Eskimo villages, they would

1521
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:22,880
Speaker 1: just make sure to put because they were always worried

1522
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 1: about everyone eating their food, and they would put extra

1523
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:29,320
Speaker 1: salt on their food because they know that the people

1524
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:31,559
Speaker 1: who didn't use salt would never be able to eat

1525
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 1: even moderately salted food. And it was a way to

1526
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:36,559
Speaker 1: make your food unpalatable to people to put a little

1527
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:39,280
Speaker 1: bit of salt on it because that level of acquired.

1528
01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:42,520
Speaker 1: But this guy that was living for months on just whitefish,

1529
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:46,920
Speaker 1: their cravings would be for red meat and like that

1530
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:48,479
Speaker 1: would be the thing that they wish they had, And

1531
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:50,719
Speaker 1: when wait and wait for was to get caribou because

1532
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:53,120
Speaker 1: it would offset like how off you felt just eating

1533
01:33:53,160 --> 01:33:56,680
Speaker 1: nothing but whitefish. But the way I'll be cooking these

1534
01:33:56,680 --> 01:34:01,479
Speaker 1: white fish were catching right now is just brian them,

1535
01:34:01,479 --> 01:34:05,880
Speaker 1: hold and smoke. Yep, it's because it's the perfect fish

1536
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:10,040
Speaker 1: for it. It's oily, it's like a little bit bony,

1537
01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:12,479
Speaker 1: but when you smoke it, it loosens the flesh up,

1538
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:16,320
Speaker 1: so you can peel the flesh off and it leaves

1539
01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:19,880
Speaker 1: a skeleton. It looks like something you can put like

1540
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:23,080
Speaker 1: in a museum display, like something styl faster than cat

1541
01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:25,479
Speaker 1: would be walking around like you just like the meat

1542
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:27,799
Speaker 1: peels away and you have like the perfect little skeleton.

1543
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:31,280
Speaker 1: All I do is like I slit them up from

1544
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:34,760
Speaker 1: the belly to the chin, take out the guts, cut

1545
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:37,840
Speaker 1: the gills out, but leave the head on. Trust them

1546
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:39,760
Speaker 1: by putting a little string around the back of their

1547
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:43,080
Speaker 1: neck under their gill, cover out their mouth and tie

1548
01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 1: a loop in it and just hang them in the

1549
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:49,080
Speaker 1: smoke or smoke like that. Freaking love those things. How

1550
01:34:49,160 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 1: long are you? Brian them for eight hours sometimes overnight

1551
01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:57,160
Speaker 1: like salt and the water salt sugar, Brian salt sugar.

1552
01:34:57,240 --> 01:34:59,599
Speaker 1: I'll sometimes put honey in there. You see people putting

1553
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:01,800
Speaker 1: all like, oh a sprig of time. I just think

1554
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:05,240
Speaker 1: that like that stuff is like it does not right,

1555
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:09,880
Speaker 1: it doesn't pass into the meat. I don't think. I

1556
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:11,519
Speaker 1: think that people put a lot of stuff in fish

1557
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:13,720
Speaker 1: Brian's that there's no way you can taste later. I

1558
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:17,040
Speaker 1: put rum and fish Brian's, like when I do dry Brian's,

1559
01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:19,040
Speaker 1: I'll put rum in there. I've seen where you can

1560
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:22,439
Speaker 1: slice up fennel and put alcohol on it and wind

1561
01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:24,439
Speaker 1: up getting like a fennel taste to it. I think

1562
01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:26,439
Speaker 1: a lot of people put a lot of aromatics and

1563
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:29,080
Speaker 1: stuff into into Brian's, the Brian fish, and there's no

1564
01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:34,440
Speaker 1: way that that flavor is carrying over in the necessary

1565
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:37,720
Speaker 1: quantity where you can taste it above the taste of

1566
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 1: just like smoke brine and smoke fish. I think garlic

1567
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:46,439
Speaker 1: I think you can get because garlic has a strong taste,

1568
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:49,360
Speaker 1: but putting like a sprig of green herbs and I

1569
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:50,920
Speaker 1: just I just feel like when you see that kind

1570
01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:52,920
Speaker 1: of stuff, it's like, come on, it looks pretty, but

1571
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:57,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter. But Yeah, that that's how I

1572
01:35:57,200 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 1: would definitely go about cooking these roundies. And in lake trout,

1573
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:04,240
Speaker 1: the other fish we have on the ice right now,

1574
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:10,439
Speaker 1: is often criticized for being a tad oily, and it's

1575
01:36:10,479 --> 01:36:12,840
Speaker 1: one of those fish that, like some people are dismissive of,

1576
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:16,000
Speaker 1: but then people that love it really love it. Matt,

1577
01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:18,439
Speaker 1: my brother this year smoked up some lake trout and

1578
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:20,599
Speaker 1: brought it out, and my god, as the stuff gets smoked,

1579
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:24,280
Speaker 1: I think it's a great fish smoked. Joe, tell uh,

1580
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:28,920
Speaker 1: talk real quick about what your reluctance is about killing

1581
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:32,839
Speaker 1: big lakers. So, I don't like to kill big lakers

1582
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:37,040
Speaker 1: because they're a pretty long live fish and it takes

1583
01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:40,559
Speaker 1: them a while to get to the size to actually

1584
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:44,120
Speaker 1: be able to like spawn. So and if you catch,

1585
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:49,719
Speaker 1: say amid thirty inch laker, it's probably fifteen years eighteen

1586
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:54,200
Speaker 1: years old, something like that, and I just I feel

1587
01:36:54,280 --> 01:36:57,320
Speaker 1: bad killing big fish like that, the old ones. Yeah,

1588
01:36:57,479 --> 01:37:03,160
Speaker 1: you're a fish yellow I rock fish. That's different. I

1589
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:05,040
Speaker 1: don't know why it's a different because it's a hundred

1590
01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:08,160
Speaker 1: years old, because I don't know why. I like you,

1591
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:12,160
Speaker 1: who knows, I don't know what why there's a difference between.

1592
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:15,320
Speaker 1: Maybe that's it. Maybe it's the flavor. Maybe if the

1593
01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:18,519
Speaker 1: lake trout tasted as good as a Yellow I rock

1594
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:20,439
Speaker 1: you'd be whacking them. Well, I don't know if we'd

1595
01:37:20,479 --> 01:37:24,240
Speaker 1: have a lake trout left at that. Yeah, if a

1596
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:27,360
Speaker 1: laker was because the Yellow I Rockers is a phenomenal fish.

1597
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:30,400
Speaker 1: If a lake was that good. Is it just because

1598
01:37:30,439 --> 01:37:33,280
Speaker 1: you're kind of like I don't really like them and

1599
01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:35,640
Speaker 1: they're old, and those two things combined makes me not

1600
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:39,800
Speaker 1: want to kill them. I think so. And I've tried

1601
01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:43,320
Speaker 1: them before. Um, like you said, they're good smoke, So

1602
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:46,800
Speaker 1: if we do get a small one and I have

1603
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:49,960
Speaker 1: to keep it, I wouldn't mind trying smoking it. But

1604
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:54,280
Speaker 1: the times I've had it before I tried to have cooked,

1605
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:56,800
Speaker 1: I've just done it wrong, or the other person who's

1606
01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:59,559
Speaker 1: cooking it and didn't prepare it right. Maybe it's left

1607
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:03,439
Speaker 1: you feeling why even yeah, why even give them the

1608
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:06,920
Speaker 1: death the death stroke? I've pickled him and thought they

1609
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:10,479
Speaker 1: were okay, But I think pickled pikes better. You like

1610
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:13,439
Speaker 1: pickling northern is better? Yeah? Man, I just have never mind,

1611
01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:15,479
Speaker 1: Like I just don't mind like bait. I don't mind

1612
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:18,880
Speaker 1: baked lake trout like smoked lake trout. But I feel

1613
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 1: like I have like a little bit higher tolerances for

1614
01:38:23,400 --> 01:38:26,880
Speaker 1: for gaminess or just yeah, like I just I kind

1615
01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:29,200
Speaker 1: of like, um, you know, I think I'm gonna saying, Man,

1616
01:38:29,240 --> 01:38:33,040
Speaker 1: I think there's some stuff there's like I don't think

1617
01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:37,280
Speaker 1: it's everything's job to taste perfect, right, It's just something

1618
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:40,160
Speaker 1: that's it's like interesting the mass with it to experiment

1619
01:38:40,240 --> 01:38:43,240
Speaker 1: with it, you know, if something isn't absolutely perfect, I

1620
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:46,560
Speaker 1: don't feel like that it was like an inconvenience, you

1621
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:49,439
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I don't mind cooking something and

1622
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:51,080
Speaker 1: then being like, yeah, you know, next time, I'm gonna

1623
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:52,920
Speaker 1: try this. I feel like that in and of itself

1624
01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:55,519
Speaker 1: is like a little bit educational warrants se messing around.

1625
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:58,599
Speaker 1: There's some things that messed with like common Carp. I've

1626
01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:01,120
Speaker 1: messed him a few times, and in the end I

1627
01:39:01,240 --> 01:39:03,640
Speaker 1: just have come to I've done it enough and had

1628
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:07,519
Speaker 1: enough disappointment where now I just don't feel like messing

1629
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:10,840
Speaker 1: with common cart, right, And you'll still find guys that

1630
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:12,760
Speaker 1: like think that common oh you gotta do this, and

1631
01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:16,120
Speaker 1: fish cakes, You're right, you can basically turn it into

1632
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:20,360
Speaker 1: a completely other substance with the addition of everything in

1633
01:39:20,479 --> 01:39:23,960
Speaker 1: your kitchen. But I don't look at him and feel

1634
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:25,760
Speaker 1: uh you know, I mean, I just don't look at

1635
01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:28,000
Speaker 1: him and see food. But I still look at Laker

1636
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:30,439
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, man, that's like a food fish.

1637
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:35,200
Speaker 1: All right? Brand you got any concluding final thoughts as

1638
01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:38,880
Speaker 1: we sit here and watch the the live screen TV.

1639
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:43,280
Speaker 1: Oh it's there last night, I'm excited. I hope it

1640
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:47,639
Speaker 1: turns on again. Yeah, we had a we had Our

1641
01:39:47,720 --> 01:39:51,800
Speaker 1: first night was on fire and last night was just

1642
01:39:53,240 --> 01:40:00,040
Speaker 1: you don't call it on fire. Relatively, I'm saying he

1643
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 1: a hole and didn't got one bit the tipops tipops

1644
01:40:05,160 --> 01:40:07,679
Speaker 1: are going off, and when I'm saying I'm fire on fire,

1645
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:11,240
Speaker 1: I'm informing that by what happened the next night. So

1646
01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:14,479
Speaker 1: with two nights to compare to, I think we had

1647
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:16,560
Speaker 1: one night that was on fire and one night that

1648
01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:21,760
Speaker 1: was on ice, although we still saw a lot of fish.

1649
01:40:21,880 --> 01:40:25,680
Speaker 1: So if something, some unexplainable thing or something that some

1650
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:29,240
Speaker 1: smart person might know about pressure or moon phase or light,

1651
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:33,320
Speaker 1: you know whatever, turn them off last night, hopefully that's

1652
01:40:33,320 --> 01:40:34,960
Speaker 1: which goes the other way to night, and I think

1653
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:37,640
Speaker 1: it would be pretty fun. Every fisherman has their own thing.

1654
01:40:37,720 --> 01:40:39,920
Speaker 1: But I do feel, as do a lot of anglers,

1655
01:40:39,960 --> 01:40:45,720
Speaker 1: that I think the parametric pressure has major implications for fish. Yeah,

1656
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:48,280
Speaker 1: that's my gut instinct is a high pressure system will

1657
01:40:48,280 --> 01:40:52,240
Speaker 1: shut the bite off on bourbon, on bourbon. I think

1658
01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:57,000
Speaker 1: you think high pressure shuts lakers down. Pressure fires northerns up.

1659
01:40:57,600 --> 01:41:00,760
Speaker 1: In my opinion, all right, Bryce, you in concluding thoughts

1660
01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:02,720
Speaker 1: brands concluding thoughts the holes we have a good night

1661
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:06,040
Speaker 1: of fishing. Well, I I obviously agree with that as well.

1662
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:10,160
Speaker 1: You're hoping for a good night of fishing. Yeah, something

1663
01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:15,200
Speaker 1: a little better than yesterday. Um, hopefully we can jig

1664
01:41:15,240 --> 01:41:17,439
Speaker 1: a couple more up tonight like the first night too,

1665
01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:20,479
Speaker 1: and we probably got another hour of spearing for it.

1666
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:25,040
Speaker 1: It's too dark, we just throw that light down. Well,

1667
01:41:25,200 --> 01:41:28,479
Speaker 1: they just quit coming after a while last night last

1668
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:29,960
Speaker 1: night we shined the light down and never saw in

1669
01:41:29,960 --> 01:41:31,439
Speaker 1: their white fish once it got dark. I don't know

1670
01:41:31,479 --> 01:41:36,240
Speaker 1: what they do. They go somewhere in laylow. Joe, I

1671
01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:40,040
Speaker 1: want people to appreciate the eel pout and not treat

1672
01:41:40,120 --> 01:41:45,200
Speaker 1: him like the Minnesota ice fishing. Whileye guys just kinda

1673
01:41:46,479 --> 01:41:48,680
Speaker 1: if you do get a chance to go out for him,

1674
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:51,960
Speaker 1: try cooking it up because I think they're really good.

1675
01:41:52,840 --> 01:41:54,439
Speaker 1: Would you go so far as to think that you're

1676
01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:58,400
Speaker 1: gonna start the North American eel pout Alliance for the

1677
01:41:58,479 --> 01:42:01,960
Speaker 1: North American eel pout found I don't know about that far,

1678
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:06,000
Speaker 1: but you do want people to know that it deserves

1679
01:42:06,040 --> 01:42:09,120
Speaker 1: your respect. Yeah, And it's not just a trash fish

1680
01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:13,240
Speaker 1: that swims on the bottom of lakes picking up garbage. Yeah,

1681
01:42:13,439 --> 01:42:18,920
Speaker 1: any wild thing, any wild thing that you would be

1682
01:42:19,120 --> 01:42:22,760
Speaker 1: so lucky as to have that wild thing grace you

1683
01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:28,280
Speaker 1: with its presence, right, warrants a level of admiration and respect,

1684
01:42:28,360 --> 01:42:29,640
Speaker 1: whether or not you think it's a good thing to

1685
01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:33,600
Speaker 1: eat or not. With some invasive species like excluding that,

1686
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:40,200
Speaker 1: but generally Yeah, to sort of wantingly um to kind

1687
01:42:40,200 --> 01:42:47,360
Speaker 1: of like wantingly destroy a native species of fish out

1688
01:42:47,400 --> 01:42:49,919
Speaker 1: of some misguided notion that you're gonna be like improving

1689
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:53,639
Speaker 1: other fisheries by disturbing a system that has been intact

1690
01:42:53,720 --> 01:42:57,680
Speaker 1: for tens of thousands of years. That you're killing this

1691
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:01,960
Speaker 1: fish for no reasons somehow gonna like, uh, alter things

1692
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:05,120
Speaker 1: for the better is a little absurd. Not you, but

1693
01:43:05,240 --> 01:43:08,200
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about a mug that would that would

1694
01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:11,800
Speaker 1: leave an eel pot on the ice. Yeah, out of

1695
01:43:11,880 --> 01:43:16,280
Speaker 1: disdain for it, Johnny, I don't have any concluders. Man.

1696
01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:18,920
Speaker 1: My concluder is just hoping more whitefish turn up for

1697
01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:21,800
Speaker 1: it gets dark. Yeah, it'd be nice, be nice to

1698
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:24,840
Speaker 1: get a couple more shots each, but um yeah, i'd

1699
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:27,000
Speaker 1: like to I can dovetail off that a little bit.

1700
01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:30,640
Speaker 1: And just I was thinking, as we're getting ready for

1701
01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:33,000
Speaker 1: the concluding thoughts here that I was thinking, man, just

1702
01:43:33,120 --> 01:43:36,280
Speaker 1: another species to add to the list of like wild

1703
01:43:36,360 --> 01:43:39,840
Speaker 1: game where people are like, oh, that thing socks socks sucks,

1704
01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:43,280
Speaker 1: socks socks sucks. And then finally I'm like, oh, trying

1705
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:48,680
Speaker 1: to guess what donet suck actually break? And I was

1706
01:43:48,720 --> 01:43:51,040
Speaker 1: gonna say, like, make a short list, and then I'm

1707
01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:52,800
Speaker 1: counting off in my head. I'm like, well, I've heard

1708
01:43:52,840 --> 01:43:55,200
Speaker 1: that about elk. I've probably heard that about deer and

1709
01:43:55,360 --> 01:44:01,519
Speaker 1: moves and candle and animal and bears, mountain lions, and

1710
01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:05,160
Speaker 1: by golly, if like some who are these people that,

1711
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:09,120
Speaker 1: how however long ago like started this thing where they

1712
01:44:09,160 --> 01:44:11,080
Speaker 1: were hunters and fishermen, they were sportsmen, and all of

1713
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:13,120
Speaker 1: a sudden they're like, you know, not like that, and

1714
01:44:13,200 --> 01:44:17,040
Speaker 1: to eat them it's gonna start saying they suck. Yeah,

1715
01:44:17,360 --> 01:44:20,519
Speaker 1: it was. It was some sort of like dramatic shift

1716
01:44:20,640 --> 01:44:24,920
Speaker 1: that came out of having too many chickens growing. For him,

1717
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:27,600
Speaker 1: it was like a thing that it came out of.

1718
01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:31,320
Speaker 1: It came out of being spoiled by abundance of other

1719
01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:34,720
Speaker 1: stuff that people can start to have, like disdain for

1720
01:44:36,160 --> 01:44:41,679
Speaker 1: or negative feelings about the resources. Yeah. So my concluding

1721
01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:43,680
Speaker 1: thought is, next time you hear someone tell you that

1722
01:44:43,880 --> 01:44:46,360
Speaker 1: something so and so it is no good to eat,

1723
01:44:47,200 --> 01:44:50,960
Speaker 1: try it. Oh, find a good recipe. Yeah, if I

1724
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:52,720
Speaker 1: didn't eat everything that someone told me it was no

1725
01:44:52,840 --> 01:44:58,600
Speaker 1: good to eat, Yeah, you you just scratch off of

1726
01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:03,240
Speaker 1: the wild harvest out there. All right, that's all. Thank

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01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:03,880
Speaker 1: you for joining