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Speaker 3: What do we have, Crystal, It's an interesting one today.

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Speaker 2: So we've got a lot going on internationally, Trump saying

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Speaker 2: the airspace over Venezuela is closed. He did have a

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Speaker 2: phone call with Meduro though, so we'll read the tea

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Speaker 3: Also a crazy election.

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Speaker 2: In Honduras that we are just now getting the early

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Speaker 2: results of after Trump's intervention there. Jan David Rojas is

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Speaker 2: going to join us to break down everything that is

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Speaker 2: Hegseth war crimes to dig into. New election issue just dropped,

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Speaker 2: of course we've been following it for a while, but

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Speaker 2: new price of eggs having massive electoral impact as data

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Speaker 2: massive fraudster. The just the latest, honestly, of many that

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Speaker 2: Seth Harp is going to join us on the CIA

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Speaker 2: desk squads that that Afghan National Guard killer had been

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Speaker 1: start with Venezuela. As you said, some fast moving things

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Speaker 1: they are happening. President Trump declaring effectively a no fly

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Speaker 1: zone over Venezuela. No congressional mandate. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: contray indicators as to why we would even want to

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Speaker 1: do this, but just deciding, you know, and just out

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Speaker 1: ordered the evacuation and just said the airspace over in

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Speaker 1: Venezuela is officially closed. Here's what you said on Air

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Speaker 1: Force one last night. Asked by reporters about this, Reporter,

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Speaker 1: can you tell us why the airsprace over Venezuela should

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Speaker 1: be considered close? Trump? Because we consider Venezuela not to

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Speaker 1: be a very friendly country. Reporter. Does your warning sign

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Speaker 1: not read it that way? Trump, don't read anything into it, Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: talking about the president and the night state. It's military.

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Speaker 1: Let's go put a two up there on the screen.

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Speaker 1: This was Trump's initial tweet. By the way, he actually

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Speaker 1: to all airlines, pilots, drug dealers, human traffickers, please consider

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Speaker 1: its entirety. Thank you for your attention to this matter,

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Speaker 1: President Donald J. Trump, obviously incredibly important. One of the

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Speaker 1: The Maria Machado's and the Rubios of the world have

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Speaker 1: The issue, though, is that they have convinced him couplefold.

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Speaker 1: Number One, they think the drugs right thing is gonna pull. Well,

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Speaker 1: So everyone is aligned on this entire regime change up.

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Speaker 1: And the thing is the center of this is oil. Now,

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Speaker 1: because he literally said, you can have it if you

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Speaker 1: the minerals. We will happily sell it to you. We

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Speaker 1: Why is that a bad deal?

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Speaker 3: Exactly?

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Speaker 1: Why should we care? But that's the table. That's the

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Speaker 1: But second it reveals, as we're about to get to

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Speaker 1: entire legal justification for this is that Maduro is a

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Speaker 1: States of America, former president of Honduras and say, well,

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Speaker 1: whether he deals drugs or not. And so, guys, none

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Speaker 2: Like Hakeem Jeffries, of course, the leader of the Democrats

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Speaker 2: Like that is completely insane, frankly criminal, Like they've got

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Speaker 2: And by the way, just so you know, like prior

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Speaker 2: quote unquote Narco terrors, the drug Califate countries, whatever. So

430
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Speaker 2: this is the new cash cow for them. And you

431
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Speaker 2: know Trump is close with a bunch of these guys.

432
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Speaker 2: You've got Sax has investments in this. You've got Peter Thiel,

433
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,440
Speaker 2: of course, Palmer Lucky like all these characters are either

434
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Speaker 2: directly in the administration or close allies, and so those

435
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,440
Speaker 2: folks are in his ear as well, who also want

436
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Speaker 2: to move forward with this. So you got a lot

437
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Speaker 2: of forces that are pushing for more war.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of money in this. I mean, even

439
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,159
Speaker 1: if you read look the same thing happened with the

440
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,359
Speaker 1: guy which the Wall Street Journal accurately describes, is that

441
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 1: the war on Terror was a bonanza for them, These

442
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 1: new defense tech startups. I mean, they don't have a

443
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,119
Speaker 1: bad pitch, which is that the prime defense contractors are inefficient,

444
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 1: bad too expensive. But that doesn't mean that we need

445
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Speaker 1: to gin up wars and other policy in order to

446
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Speaker 1: justify some purchases of all of this AI boat. It's like, guys,

447
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 1: it's a fucking boat, it's a small fisherman. Do you

448
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,360
Speaker 1: really need like AI targeting systems to take it down? No,

449
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,920
Speaker 1: all right, we've been doing for you. You don't need

450
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:02,719
Speaker 1: any of that. And in fact, there are a lot

451
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 1: of different ways that we could deal with it. So

452
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 1: this campaign, this entire thing, it makes no sense whatsoever

453
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Speaker 1: strategically on the merits in terms of what they're saying.

454
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Speaker 1: It is preposterous. And luckily we have a great guest

455
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Speaker 1: standing by Juan da vid Rojas, to talk specifically about

456
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Speaker 1: the Honduras angle to this. Let's get to it, all right,

457
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Speaker 1: Very excited now to be joined by Juan da vid

458
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Speaker 1: Rojas to talk about this developing situation with Honduras so on.

459
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Speaker 1: At the very moment that we are going to potentially

460
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Speaker 1: invade or overthrow the Maduro regime for drug trafficking, President

461
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Speaker 1: Trump has announced that he will pardon Juan Orlando Hernandez,

462
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Speaker 1: the former president of Honduras, who is extradited to the

463
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Speaker 1: United States and convicted for drug trafficking. When asked about

464
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Speaker 1: this contradiction, let's put this up here. Let's say on

465
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Speaker 1: the screen, reporter says, you've made clear how you want

466
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Speaker 1: to keep drugs out of the US. Trump, right, can

467
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Speaker 1: you explain why you would pardon a notorious drug trafficker? Trump,

468
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Speaker 1: I don't know who you're talking about, Reporter, Juan Orlando Hernandez. Trump.

469
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Speaker 1: Many of the people of Honduras said it was a

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Speaker 1: Biden setup. I looked at the facts and agreed with them. Reporter,

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Speaker 1: what evidence can you share it as a setup? Trump?

472
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Speaker 1: You can take any country you want, if somebody sells

473
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Speaker 1: drugs in that country, that doesn't mean you arrest the

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Speaker 1: president and put him in jail for the rest of

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Speaker 1: his life. You know, you might take that same logic

476
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Speaker 1: and apply it to Manduro. But here with Honduras, apparently

477
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Speaker 1: it is not applicable. Much of this is because Trump

478
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Speaker 1: intervened in the Honduras election, of which we now have

479
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Speaker 1: some results of Juan. Your general reaction to all.

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Speaker 4: Of this, it's really stunning. I mean, this is definitely

481
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Speaker 4: one of Trump's lowest points. I had been following this

482
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Speaker 4: story with for years. I thought it was terrible, extremely undercovered.

483
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Speaker 4: In twenty eighteen, during Trump's first term, his brother, the

484
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Speaker 4: President's brother, was arrested here in the US for trafficking charges,

485
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Speaker 4: but despite that, he continued to be buddy buddy with

486
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Speaker 4: multiple US administrations, going back to Obama, Obama, Trump, Biden

487
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Speaker 4: is super embarrassing photo ops of all of them with Hernandez.

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Speaker 4: And he was super close actually to Trump's former chief

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Speaker 4: of staff John Kelly. They had like over twenty meetings

490
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Speaker 4: and all of the all this praise that it's like, oh,

491
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Speaker 4: this guy is a huge US ally and so it's like,

492
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Speaker 4: what the heck. This guy's a clearly like a narco

493
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Speaker 4: state kingpin. And so he was eventually extradited to the

494
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Speaker 4: US in twenty twenty two, convicted last year. And look,

495
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Speaker 4: the truth is a lot of these cases against like

496
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Speaker 4: politicians being connected to drug trafficking in Latin America, they

497
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Speaker 4: do usually boil down just the testimonial traffickers, which is unreliable, right,

498
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Speaker 4: because they just want better terms for their prison sentences.

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Speaker 4: The thing is with Hernandez, they really got him dead

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Speaker 4: to rights, Like there's really solid concrete evidence they found

501
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Speaker 4: these ledgers with the president and its brothers initials on it,

502
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Speaker 4: like for the kickbacks that they would get from different

503
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Speaker 4: drug shipments. Wow, and the DA also geolocated traffickers visiting

504
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Speaker 4: the presidential Palace. There was also matches Hernandez had in

505
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Speaker 4: his Google account the contacts of traffickers. So this is

506
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Speaker 4: a shutcase. Like, I mean, there's nothing you can say

507
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Speaker 4: about this. This guy funneled allegedly yet or not allegedly,

508
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Speaker 4: he was convicted for five hundred tons of cocaine to

509
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Speaker 4: the US. So it's yeah, like you said with Maduro,

510
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Speaker 4: it's hilarious. I mean, supposedly yesterday he had another phone

511
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Speaker 4: call with Maduro telling him, Hey, you have to leave

512
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Speaker 4: or else.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this guy appears to be what Trump

514
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Speaker 2: is pretending that Maduro is. Appears that like he's the

515
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Speaker 2: actual thing that he Trump is pretending the Maduro is.

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Speaker 2: And now Trump has made this extraordinary intervention into the

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Speaker 2: elections in Honduras. As of right now, we have partial

518
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Speaker 2: results that are returned. They're very slow coming in. We'll

519
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Speaker 2: get to that in just a second. But let me

520
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Speaker 2: put this Trump, these series of Trump truths up on

521
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Speaker 2: the screen to see the way that he is sort

522
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Speaker 2: of like both threatening and bribing Honduras, the people of

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Speaker 2: Honduras to vote for his chosen right wing candidate. So

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Speaker 2: he says, here, if Tito Asperro wins for president, of

525
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Speaker 2: Honduras because the US has so much confidence in him

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Speaker 2: as policies and what'll do for the great people of Honduras.

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Speaker 3: We will be very supportive.

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Speaker 2: If he doesn't win, the US will not be throwing

529
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Speaker 2: good money after bad because a wrong leader can only

530
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Speaker 2: bring catastrophic results to a country, no matter which country

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Speaker 2: it is. Goes on from there, you know, all kinds

532
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Speaker 2: of additional information, including going after the more center right

533
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Speaker 2: figure as well, saying that Nostralla, that's the center right year,

534
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Speaker 2: is no friend of freedom, a borderline communist, et cetera,

535
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Speaker 2: et cetera. So really throwing in behind this world right

536
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Speaker 2: wing candidate, and you know, it was very reminiscent of

537
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Speaker 2: the successful gambit that he pulled in Argentina as well

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Speaker 2: on behalf of Javier Malay and his party, who you

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Speaker 2: know had direct ties to, you know, some of the

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Speaker 2: people in the Trump administration. So talk to us about this,

541
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Speaker 2: how extraordinary this intervention is, and how you think people

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Speaker 2: in Honduras are reacting to it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I personally think that if Trump had well, I

544
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Speaker 4: guess it's hard to say, because the funny thing is

545
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Speaker 4: that that centrist candidate that looks like he's gonna win.

546
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Speaker 4: Currently as Florida, the right wing candidate is barely ahead,

547
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Speaker 4: but there's still over fifty percent of the results left.

548
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Speaker 4: I think probably in Nocerala will win, and he he's

549
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Speaker 4: the most interesting of the three candidates. I don't necessarily

550
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Speaker 4: say that in a good way. He was actually a

551
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Speaker 4: current president Sila Ma Da Castro's vice president. He stepped

552
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Speaker 4: down over you know, problems with corruption in our administration.

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Speaker 4: And the funny thing is that he was actually the

554
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Speaker 4: candidate of the leftist Leag party in twenty seventeen when

555
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 4: Hernandez went ran for an illegal second term and committed

556
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Speaker 4: he stole the election, he committed fraud. Nasanila was the

557
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 4: rightful winner. But anyway, and now he's the candidate of

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Speaker 4: the centrist Liberal party. So the funny thing also is

559
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Speaker 4: that he had conducted outreach with a ton of Miami neocons.

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Speaker 4: Our friend Maria Vide Sila sat and so she was

561
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Speaker 4: out like campaigning for him basically, so Trump when he

562
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Speaker 4: stepped in, he like backed as for that clearly because

563
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Speaker 4: of his good relations with Hernandez before. But in a

564
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Speaker 4: way like it probably divided the vote. Yeah, hard to

565
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Speaker 4: say exactly what.

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Speaker 2: The impact was, Yeah, I means its a crazy situation

567
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Speaker 2: because look, Poles can wrong. The Poles had the left

568
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Speaker 2: wing candidate up significantly and the Trump candidate was, you know,

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Speaker 2: trailing behind in third place. The exit polls that were

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Speaker 2: coming out yesterday evening, Yeah, had the left wing candidate

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Speaker 2: also significantly winning. I saw local broadcasters like, oh, this

572
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Speaker 2: thing is pretty much over. It looks like she's going

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Speaker 2: to prevail. And then the results start coming out and

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Speaker 2: they looked dramatically different. Now we were both talking to

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Speaker 2: Ryan this morning, like what was going on here. He's

576
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Speaker 2: got a guy on the ground who's saying like, no,

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Speaker 2: I was at the polling places, and it looks like

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Speaker 2: the results are legit. One other thing to throw in

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Speaker 2: the mix here too, Polymarket, which you know is just

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Speaker 2: a betting website, but usually you know, at least somewhat

581
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Speaker 2: in the ballpark of what's going to happen. Originally had

582
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Speaker 2: the left wing candidates this massive favorite, and then once

583
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Speaker 2: the polls closed, it completely flipped in a dramatic way

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Speaker 2: in the other direction. So, I mean, it looks pretty

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Speaker 2: extraordinary what's going on here. The Poles, you know, certainly

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Speaker 2: we're wildly wrong. The other thing that I think is

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Speaker 2: worth noting is Trump effectively sort of comparing the left

588
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Speaker 2: winging even the center right candidate in Honduras to Maduro.

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Speaker 2: And I think people may also be like, well, I

590
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Speaker 2: to see what's going on with Venezuela. I don't really

591
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Speaker 2: want that for me too. So I don't know from

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Speaker 2: the outside, not an expert here, but it appears that

593
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Speaker 2: Trump may not get his chosen candidate, but appears to

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Speaker 2: me like his intervention had a huge impact on what

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Speaker 2: ultimately happened here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, it's hard to say. Pulling in on seems

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Speaker 4: to be pretty bad. Yeahhoretically it's possible that he drove

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Speaker 4: turnout for as Fuda. I'm generally inclined to think that

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Speaker 4: whenever he intervenes, voters will be inclined to vote for

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Speaker 4: against them.

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Speaker 3: But having an Argentina though, you know, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the calculus could be different. I mean, Dudas

603
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Speaker 4: is a lot closer to the US. Maybe voters felt

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Speaker 4: that it really in their self interest to have a

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Speaker 4: candidate that was friendly.

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Speaker 1: With One of the things though, is I was reading

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Speaker 1: this morning. You know, not everything is about us. A

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Speaker 1: lot of it is about us down in Central America,

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Speaker 1: but one of the voters that The New York Times

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Speaker 1: spoke with said, well, I was very disappointed with the

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Speaker 1: narco trafficking of the previous administration, and none of the

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Speaker 1: narco trafficking has gone down because they believe that the

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Speaker 1: current administration was in on it too. So it's like

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Speaker 1: they have still one of the highest murder rates in

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Speaker 1: all of Central America. They have plenty of their own

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Speaker 1: domestic problems. Potentially the sale there was, look, everybody's corrupt.

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Speaker 1: At least the US will extend us to helping hand

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Speaker 1: or something like this under the Trump administration. But more interestingly,

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Speaker 1: I think we have to come back to let's put

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Speaker 1: a eleven up there on the screen. Ryan's tweet here

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Speaker 1: is that, you know, the circumstances of this trafficking case

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Speaker 1: still seem to be so important for the story with Venezuela,

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Speaker 1: like Trump threatening to bomb Venezuela over the drug trafficking

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Speaker 1: while also pardoning this drug trafficker. I'm curious for your perspective,

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Speaker 1: now that we have kind of a mixed record of

626
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Speaker 1: Trump intervention in Latin America, how any potential Venezuelan invasion

627
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Speaker 1: or over or overthrow op or Cia operations that go

628
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Speaker 1: kinetic and end up killing Maduro or trying to force

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Speaker 1: him out of office. How would that affect the broader

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Speaker 1: like grand strategy of Latin America and the big powers

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Speaker 1: in the region.

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Speaker 4: Gregor, Yeah, that's a great question, really quick. Yeah, I

633
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Speaker 4: love that you said that. Yeah, the truth is that

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Speaker 4: Sumar or Castro's government is super crubt has had our

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Speaker 4: own dealings with drug traffickers. So the truth is the

636
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Speaker 4: whole of under US's political class is extremely discredited. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: as for your other question, yeah, really, and this is

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Speaker 4: another thing too, that Richie Moncada, the leftist candidate, and

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Speaker 4: also cimar or Castro are open supporters of Nicholas Maduro,

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Speaker 4: which actually isn't that common among left wing leaders in

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Speaker 4: the region. A lot of them, you know, they have

642
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Speaker 4: like mixed feelings. A lot of them have been kind

643
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Speaker 4: of forced to recognize that Moduro is terrible, especially if

644
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 4: like they're neighbors with them, like Colombia and Brazil. You know,

645
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 4: Lula had this huge about face, he said, oh, there

646
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 4: was this. Maduro visited him in twenty twenty three, right

647
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 4: after he came back into power, and Lula said that, oh,

648
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 4: there was a fabricated media narrative against Venezuela or whatever,

649
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 4: and then over time they're the first like Venezuela, you know,

650
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 4: on paper, annexed two thirds of neighboring Guyana, and the

651
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 4: Brazilians are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wha, what's going

652
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 4: on here? And then they stole the twenty twenty four election,

653
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 4: and yeah, Lula really has turned on Maduro ever since. Similarly,

654
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Speaker 4: like with Petro, I mean, yeah, you have like three

655
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 4: million Venezuelan migrants that are live in the country. Now,

656
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 4: Moduro sponsors all these leftist gorillas that you know, attack Columbians,

657
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 4: even though Petro is also left wing right, so there's

658
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 4: a lot of animosities. At the same time, no one,

659
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 4: especially on the left, is cool with the US just

660
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 4: invading Venezuela. And Petro's even said that if, like, you know,

661
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 4: this is blessed, but he said that if the US

662
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 4: invades Venezuela, the Colombia would come to its defense. Lula

663
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Speaker 4: has also said that, you know, just kinetic action would

664
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Speaker 4: be unacceptable, and also that the boat strikes, which you know,

665
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 4: are very dubious legally and on various other levels, have

666
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 4: really pissed off a lot of leaders, even on the

667
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 4: right too. So yeah, I was just in Colombia and

668
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 4: people have a lot of mixed feelings about you know, Venezuela,

669
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Speaker 4: the bombings, all of this stuff. On the other hand,

670
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Speaker 4: for instance, while I was there, Petro said that he

671
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Speaker 4: would actually support a negotiated transition uh in Venezuela. And

672
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Speaker 4: that's a that's a pretty.

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Speaker 1: Big I remember. The thing that I coming back to

674
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Speaker 1: on that is why is the thing is Maduro? As

675
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: you and I have talked about Moduro, he doesn't even care.

676
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: He's like, I'll give you the and I will leave.

677
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: I just won't leave today, right, Like I need some

678
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 1: face saving, I can need handpower off to my guy.

679
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: I want my regime to survive and all that. Everybody

680
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: else in the region seems to be bought in. But

681
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: Trump is demanding that he leave now, like tomorrow, right

682
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: and effectively allow not just him to be gone, but

683
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 1: say that the entire government and its apparatus, which obviously

684
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't even be able to guarantee his safety like it

685
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: seems to the negotiating terms of this make it impossible

686
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Speaker 1: for Maduro to negotiate at all. Other than absolute surrender.

687
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's definitely a result of Rubio and the rest

688
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 4: of the Miami lobby. I mean, they they are just

689
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 4: fixated on this. They have a completely two dimensional view

690
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 4: of Venezuela and the other you know, the so called

691
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 4: Troyko terror. It's also funny because the similarities between Hernandez

692
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 4: and Maduro. I mean, it's it's really great. I mean, Okay, Maduro,

693
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 4: you know, stole the twenty twenty four election, Ornande stole

694
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Speaker 4: the twenty seventeen election for his reelection. You know, they're

695
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 4: both accused of drug trafficking, and we debate the specifics

696
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 4: of both cases. After their fraudulent re elections, they killed

697
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 4: a bunch of demonstrators too, like I mean, and actually,

698
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 4: when you think about it, the only difference really between

699
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 4: the Maduro is super socially conservative, so was Rnandez. You know,

700
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 4: both anti abortion, both super catholic. Maduro I told you

701
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 4: this in private before during the the past Olympics, he

702
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 4: said that the French desecrated Christ over the weird blue

703
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 4: people thing. So he has a portrait in his office

704
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 4: of Jesus in him steering the ship of Venezuela. So

705
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 4: the only difference here the matters is that, oh, you know,

706
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 4: Rnandez was in favor of Washington, Maduro was against it.

707
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Speaker 4: And that's like the two dimensional logic of neo cons

708
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 4: and anti imperialists respectively. It's like, guys, look beneath the surface,

709
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 4: there's really a lot in common here.

710
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Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit more about the pardon of

711
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 2: the motivations of the pardon of Wan Orlando Hernandez has

712
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 2: put a fourteen up on the screen. I mean I

713
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,959
Speaker 2: just mentioned earlier how potentially some of the motivation for

714
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: intervening in Argentina and propping up Pavier Malay were financial,

715
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: because you have a bunch of like hedge funders or

716
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: either in the administration or tied to the administration, who

717
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: have a lot of money to lose.

718
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Speaker 3: There.

719
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Speaker 2: Here you have the pet, this pet project of the

720
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 2: Peter Teel libertarian tech ros of the world that was

721
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: coming to fulfillment in Honduras, and Hernandez was a partner

722
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 2: of this. So these economic development zones called zids were

723
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 2: heavily pushed as a means of stimulating economic development by

724
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 2: Castro's predecessor, former President Wan or Lando Hernandez, who was

725
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: extra out of the US on April twenty first, to

726
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 2: face drug trafficking charges, but fears over sovereignty and land

727
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 2: exproporation and legality all undermine legitimacy.

728
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 3: Of the project.

729
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 2: Prospera pitched international investors this was this like crypto libertarian city,

730
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 2: utopian city that they set up. Pitched international investors' visions

731
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Speaker 2: of a beachside libertarian paradise replete with low taxes crypto

732
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 2: friendly regulation. The Zone recently made bitcoin legal tender pass,

733
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 2: legislation facilitating the issuance of bitcoin bonds for Spara's investors

734
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Speaker 2: include Silicon Valley heavyweights like Peter tal and Marc Andreesen

735
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 2: through Pronomos Capital ABC Fund, which invests in autonomous city projects.

736
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Speaker 2: So this is part of this like network state bullshit,

737
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 2: libertarian bullshit that these people are into, and so Hernandez

738
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: was a supporter of that. The current government was not

739
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: and was putting an end to this stuff. I mean,

740
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 2: this seems like you could see how these people would

741
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 2: be in Trump's ear about like, oh, you know, this

742
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: is a vendetta. It was a witch hunt against him.

743
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 2: It was so unfair. It was a Biden set up.

744
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 5: Blah blah, blah, Yeah, this is crazy, and in my opinion,

745
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 5: it's the reason why Trump decided to intervene you because

746
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 5: its donors were in this year and told that, hey,

747
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 5: you guys have to get involved.

748
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Speaker 4: We need to save our city. So in twenty twelve,

749
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 4: Hernandez was the president of Andoras's Congress it's a unicamera

750
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 4: or unicameral legislator at legislature, and before and the president

751
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 4: at the time, Portriedo Lobo, who also deeply involved in

752
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 4: drug trafficking. They tried to pass this law creating these

753
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 4: special economic zones. The Supreme Court said no because essentially

754
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 4: they said it was unconstitutional for the hunter and state

755
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 4: to seed sovereignty over its own territory because they basically

756
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 4: would forego control over these areas. So they staged a

757
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 4: kind of coup against the Supreme Court, removed forward the

758
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 4: justices at once and put in cronies that approved the

759
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 4: law and went against the country's constitution, created the so

760
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 4: called sais And immediately, yeah consortium and investors backed by

761
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 4: Peter Teel and Marc Andresen created this city called Prospera,

762
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 4: and that's what the investor group is called. On the

763
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Speaker 4: island of rot time, because it's really it's this famous

764
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 4: island off the coast of on Duras's Caribbean coast, beautiful

765
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 4: you know, Christine White sand beaches whatever. Today the city

766
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 4: controls around three percent of the island's territory, and they

767
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 4: also recently bought a port on the mainland. And it's

768
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 4: a libertarian wet dream. Everything is private. The police, the schools,

769
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 4: even the justice system is private. Apparently they have like

770
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Speaker 4: some former state Supreme Court chief justice among the people

771
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 4: they paid to, you know, rule on issue rulings and

772
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 4: stuff like that. And when Castro came in, she one

773
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 4: of her first actions was to suspend or to overturn

774
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Speaker 4: that law. And so now the city is stuck in

775
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 4: this kind of limbo. But they're fighting back and they

776
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 4: actually stand a chance of winning. They sued the government

777
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Speaker 4: under and duras Is free trade agreement, which by the way,

778
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 4: has been disastrous for hunters, the CAFTA Agreement Central America

779
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 4: Free Trade Agreement. Yeah, for almost eleven billion dollars. That's

780
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Speaker 4: around the same as Honduras's entire yearly budget. So they

781
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,439
Speaker 4: really have them in a chokehold. Castro has been fighting back.

782
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Speaker 4: That's one of the good things that she doesn't she's done,

783
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 4: and there's a lot of popular discontent over, you know,

784
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 4: selling out your own country to these crypto billionaires.

785
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 2: That's another thing, to give them this island to these

786
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: like tech, foreign tech.

787
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Speaker 3: We're just going to do that. You have no say

788
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 3: over it.

789
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 4: Crypto is legal and prospero. You can buy anything with crypto,

790
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 4: so it's yeah, it's crazy.

791
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Speaker 1: I remember hearing about this year's back. I didn't. I didn't.

792
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: I didn't realize it became an actual thing.

793
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, crazy.

794
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Speaker 1: All right, Wan, you're the best man. Thank you for everything.

795
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Where should they subscribe?

796
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Speaker 4: Subscribe to my substack. It's called social democracy with populist characteristics.

797
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 4: And I'll have an article coming out about this the

798
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Speaker 4: election for Compact today or.

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Speaker 3: Tomorrowyo, fantastic. Thanks onan.

800
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Speaker 2: So, as you guys know, the Trump administration has been

801
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 2: randomly killing a bunch of people in the Caribbean and

802
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: the Pacific that they claimed to be drug traffickers with

803
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: very little or no evidence.

804
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Speaker 3: We now have new reporting about the first of those attacks.

805
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Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys remember the details.

806
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: That particular vote had eleven people on board part of

807
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Speaker 2: what made it very suspicious because normally drug traffickers wouldn't

808
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: have actually that number of people on the boat because

809
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: they would want to have more space for drugs on

810
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Speaker 2: the boat. In any case, the reporting indicates that Pete

811
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 2: Hegseth himself gave the order to quote kill them all

812
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 2: after the initial strike on the boat. There were two

813
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: survivors who remained who were clinging to the wreckage, and

814
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 2: that voice command from Pete Hegseth led to a double

815
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Speaker 2: tap strike that experts say is a pretty clear if

816
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: we're even accepting their legal rationale, that they could be

817
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: bombing these people to begin with is a pretty clear

818
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: war crime. In any case, Trump was asked yesterday about

819
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Speaker 2: that second stripe strike, that double tap strike from Pete Haigseth.

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Speaker 2: Let's put this up on the screen. I'll read it

821
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Speaker 2: because the audio is really bad. So the reporter said,

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Speaker 2: if there was a second strike that killed wounded people,

823
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Speaker 2: would that be legal? Trump said, I don't know what happened,

824
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: and Pete said he did not even know what people

825
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Speaker 2: were talking about. I would not have wanted a second strike.

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Speaker 2: The first strike was very lethal. It was fine. This

827
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Speaker 2: reporting also led to a rather explosive exchange on CNN

828
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Speaker 2: involving Stephen Miller's wife, Katie Miller, and Bacari Sellers. Let's

829
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Speaker 2: go ahead and take a listen to that.

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Speaker 6: He said that those orders that were given on the

831
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Speaker 6: drug boats in Venezuela were illegal.

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Speaker 3: Can you cite those statutes? Please?

833
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Speaker 7: Yes, because it's actually called the due process Clause of

834
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Speaker 7: the United States of America. Because can you to one

835
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Speaker 7: of those boats that actually had drugs on them? Do

836
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Speaker 7: you know that? Do you know about the Trinidadians who

837
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 7: were killed innocently, who were just fishermen? Can you actually

838
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 7: kill those fishermen without due process? So the answer to

839
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Speaker 7: the question is yes, I can cite the Constitution just

840
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Speaker 7: as God did.

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Speaker 6: If you if you go and say that those were

842
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Speaker 6: members of al Qaeda or Isis coming to our shores

843
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Speaker 6: with enough drugs or enough ammunition to kill one thousand,

844
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Speaker 6: one hundred thousand Americans, wouldn't you expect our commander in

845
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 6: chief to take action to stop that. That's what's happening here.

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Speaker 6: That is what's happened, by the way, That's what happens

847
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 6: in every war zone, whether you go to a Afghanistan

848
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Speaker 6: or Ran Somalia.

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Speaker 1: Go there, let's talk about it.

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Speaker 7: Give me one name of one individual that you can

851
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Speaker 7: compare to al Qaeda coming through that had enough fent

852
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Speaker 7: and not to kill all these Americans. Can you name one.

853
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Speaker 6: Let's go to what the drug boks are talking about,

854
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Speaker 6: which is that we are actively ensuring that the war

855
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Speaker 6: on drugs that we've been doing for fifty years, which

856
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Speaker 6: has not worked, more successful.

857
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Speaker 7: Yeah.

858
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Speaker 6: Successful one day.

859
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Speaker 2: The administration not sending their bus there. I would say,

860
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Speaker 2: let's go and put this reporting actually up on the screenside.

861
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Speaker 3: Can read you some of the details here.

862
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Speaker 2: Hegseth order on first Caribbean boat strike officials say kill

863
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 2: them all. The longer the US surveillance aircraft followed the boat,

864
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Speaker 2: the more confident intelligence analysts watching from command centers became

865
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Speaker 2: that the eleven people on board were faring drugs. Defend

866
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Speaker 2: Secretary Pete Hegseth gave a spoken directive. According to two

867
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Speaker 2: people with direct knowledge, the order was to kill everybody.

868
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Speaker 2: One of them said. A missile screamed off the Trinidad coast,

869
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Speaker 2: striking the vessel, igniting a blaze from bow to stern.

870
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Speaker 2: For minutes, commanders watched the boat burning on a live

871
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 2: drone feed. As the smoke cleared, they got a jolt.

872
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 2: Two survivors were clinging to the smoldering wreck. The Special

873
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: Operations commander overseeing the September second attack, the opening salvo,

874
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Speaker 2: and the Trump administrations were on suspected drug traffickers in

875
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Speaker 2: the Western Hemisphere, ordered a second strike to comply with

876
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: Hegseth's instructions. Again, two people familiar said the two men

877
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Speaker 2: were blown apart in the water. Hegseth's order, which has

878
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Speaker 2: not previously been reported, as another dimension of the campaign

879
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: against suspected drug traffickers. Some current and former US officials

880
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: and law of war experts have said the Pentagon's lethal campaign,

881
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: which has killed more than eighty people to date, is

882
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 2: unlawful and may expose those most directly involved to future prosecution.

883
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: They go on with a quote from Seth Moulten here,

884
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Speaker 2: Actually they say the idea that wreckage from one small

885
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Speaker 2: boat and a vast ocean is a hazard to marine

886
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: traffic is patently absurd because that was the justification that

887
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 2: they used, that they were like clearing the way from

888
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 2: marine traffic and killing survivors is blatantly illegal. He went

889
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: on to say mark my words. It may take some time,

890
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 2: but Americans will be prosecuted for this, either as a

891
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 2: war crime or out right murder. And so you know,

892
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: there have been sober since then. Of course, we've had

893
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Speaker 2: I don't know how many boat strikes at this point,

894
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 2: over eighty people have been killed.

895
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Speaker 3: At this point.

896
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Speaker 2: We had another instance where there were survivors of the strike.

897
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Speaker 2: Instead of doing the second strike, they actually repatriated those

898
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 2: survivors to their countries, which again raises a lot of

899
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: questions over whether these are really drum traffickers, because if

900
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Speaker 2: they are, what you do is you get them and

901
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 2: you take them to the US and you try them

902
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 2: in court. Here that is normally the process that is

903
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 2: supposed to be followed. But this is almost like a

904
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 2: textbook example of a warcrime to do a second strike

905
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Speaker 2: on wounded survivors whom now pose zero risk, even if

906
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Speaker 2: you take it fest face value that these are drug traffickers.

907
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 2: And we've already talked about how the justification for this

908
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 2: is insane to begin with. So what you're really talking

909
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 2: about here is just outright murder ordered by the Secretary

910
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Speaker 2: of warpete Hegseth.

911
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Speaker 1: Well, it's important to note is a couple of things.

912
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Speaker 1: Is number one one of the read things reasons that

913
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: this has burst into the air is about Hegset's non denial.

914
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: Is he explicitly has not denied it. What this also

915
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: kind of gets to and in my opinion, what this

916
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: is a good segue because we're about to cover the

917
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Speaker 1: Afghan thing. In some ways very unfortunately, this has been

918
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: the modus operandi for the that we have approached the

919
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: entire war on terror. And I think what people should

920
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 1: be afraid of, and this certainly I've had this as well,

921
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: is it was very easy in four to five to

922
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, we're killing them all and all this.

923
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Speaker 1: But when you watch this stuff get normalized and institutionalized

924
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: in the US military and then be brought to the

925
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: western hemisphere and right off of the borders of the

926
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Speaker 1: United States, with a legal justification that could technically apply

927
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Speaker 1: to anyone, it should freak you out because that's what

928
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: the same thing with the FBI. Remember we talked about

929
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: the January sixth stuff. There's really nothing different from the

930
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Speaker 1: way that the FBI was goading the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping

931
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: situation or the January sixth stuff from the way they

932
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Speaker 1: approach the war on terror. That's how they do business.

933
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Speaker 1: They infiltrate groups and basically encourage people. Here is the

934
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: same thing. This was a very common look. Yes, technically

935
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Speaker 1: they would say capture, kill. They would basically write the

936
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Speaker 1: rules of engagement, which made it so that it was

937
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: like kill them all. And if anything, hegxsas is an

938
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: idiot for explicitly saying the quiet part out loud in

939
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: this particular case. But what it means is that the

940
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Speaker 1: Southcom commanders and others they did not have the way

941
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Speaker 1: that you know, the legal justifications for the wars in

942
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Speaker 1: Afghanistan and Iraq. Here they're operating explicitly under so called

943
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Speaker 1: anti narco trafficking laws, and even with this designation of

944
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Speaker 1: narco trafficking as terrorists, the legal justification around that is

945
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Speaker 1: almost certainly what led to that Southcom commander resigning. Remember

946
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: we covered this at the time. We were like, hey,

947
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: this is a big deal. The fact that he just

948
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: resigned out of nowhere. He's been telling people behind the scenes.

949
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: Ryan and I have reported this that he was very uncomfortable.

950
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: Now we seem to understand exactly what it is, and

951
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: there's a reason why there's been all this legal wrangling

952
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: in the White House to find some sort of legal justification.

953
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: But you know, again just to bolster a real world example.

954
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Speaker 1: If you remember the Captain Phillips raid and one of

955
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: the pirates was brought on board the US Navy ship.

956
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: He was arrested actually and brought back to the homeland.

957
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: He's in federal prison today. We prosecuted him under federal

958
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: anti priority. Who's like the first person like two hundred

959
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: years to be convicted of piracy. But the point is

960
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: around these drug traffickers, if you repatriate them to your

961
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: own country, then what case can you possibly make that

962
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: this is actual drug trafficking? And even the designation of

963
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: the so called narco terrorists, this is about importing the

964
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: war on terror not just to the Western hemisphere, but

965
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: closer to the United States than ever before. And I

966
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: think that's what's really terrifying about the situation because Steel

967
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: Team six was involved here. Look, I'm not putting them

968
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Speaker 1: down like at the end of the day, like you know,

969
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: they are the one at the end of the day,

970
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: like their culture of the entire g Watt and everything

971
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: was shaped around these types of operations and the Pentagon.

972
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: In the Pentagon, the leaders and others, they've normalized this.

973
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: I mean, if you think about all the kill operations

974
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: that we've done over the last twenty years, we've basically

975
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 1: trained them and created the entire organization to be focused

976
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: on this one thing. It's really about the Pentagon opening

977
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: up this can of worms, putting a lot of them

978
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: in danger, you know, legally, but not just legally, but

979
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: like you're like, you're making them a target of investigation.

980
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: They're commanders and others. If anything, you know, it would

981
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,959
Speaker 1: be a genuine case of like, yeah, maybe they should

982
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: have raised a concern or whatever. We got the Secretary

983
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: of Defense and they're saying no, this is the explicit

984
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: direction of the President of the United States. This is

985
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 1: the same thing they did this with Alwaki. They've done

986
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: this all out over Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia. This has been, unfortunately,

987
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: very normalized. I'm glad it's actually breaking out into the open.

988
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: And the reason why it's terrifying is because this is

989
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: in some country four three thousand miles away. This is here,

990
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: This is America, Like this is in our territorial waters.

991
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 2: And there's nothing that would keep them from doing the

992
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: same thing here on our own soil. I mean that

993
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 2: I really want people to understand that that they are

994
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 2: claiming the ability to randomly murder whoever they want, wherever

995
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,760
Speaker 2: they want, and just they were involved in drug trafficking,

996
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,439
Speaker 2: like that's that's what they are actually claiming here. And

997
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 2: you know, I think that that is really horrifying. I mean,

998
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 2: they are saying there is no are no limits, zero

999
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 2: limits on what we can do on the violent murder

1000
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 2: that we can commit if we just say, oh, it

1001
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 2: was a drug trafficker, and we know from reporting there's

1002
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 2: actually going to be a lawsuit. We know from reporting

1003
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 2: that some of the people that they killed are alleged

1004
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 2: to have just been innocent fishermen. And as Ryan is

1005
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 2: pointed out, even if you accept I mean, I think

1006
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 2: that some of these drugs, these boats probably did have

1007
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 2: drugs on board them. You're not getting the you know

1008
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 2: one Orlando Hernandez, this is one example.

1009
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 3: You're not getting the kingpins here.

1010
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 2: You're getting some low level yes, probably fisherman was paid

1011
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 2: or threatened or whatever to carry this shipment of drugs.

1012
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 2: In any case, you know, you've got look, you've got

1013
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 2: a long track ggor with Pete Haig said he's involved

1014
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 2: in trying to uh successfully getting off the hook these

1015
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 2: convicted war criminals from the war on terror. Sager is

1016
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 2: absolutely right that, you know, the way this starts is okay. Well,

1017
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 2: al Qaeda attacked us. They genuinely did, so we need

1018
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: to sort of suspend some of our normal protocol in

1019
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 2: order to go after them, and that has just expanded

1020
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 2: and expanded and expanded. This is one more extraordinary leap

1021
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 2: in terms of what the powers that they are claiming

1022
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 2: here and the violence that they are committing. To your

1023
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 2: point about the hegsth non denial of the belief we've

1024
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 2: got before up on the screen, you know, he says,

1025
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 2: as usual, fake news, blah blah blah, but he doesn't

1026
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 2: actually deny the details of what is reported. He denies

1027
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 2: that it's illegal, but he does not actually deny the

1028
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 2: details of what was reported by the Washington Post, which

1029
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 2: you should essentially take as a confirmation the intercept. By

1030
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 2: the way, just to give them credit, they were the

1031
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: first to report that this was a double tap strike.

1032
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 2: So there are multiple news organizations now who have confirmed

1033
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 2: that particular detail. You have bipartisan committees in both the

1034
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 2: House and the Senate.

1035
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 3: We can put B five up on the screen, who

1036
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 3: have said they.

1037
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 2: Are going to investigate Chairman Usenaer, Roger Wicker, who is

1038
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 2: a Republican chair of the Senate Armed Services Committee, and

1039
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 2: US Senator Jack Read, Democratic ranking member, issued a statement

1040
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 2: saying the Committee is aware of recent news reports and

1041
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 2: Department of Defense's initial response regarding alleged follow on strikes

1042
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 2: and suspected narcotics vessels in the Southcomb area of responsibility.

1043
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 2: Committee has directed to inqurease the Department and we'll be

1044
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 2: conducting vigorous oversight to determine the facts related to these circumstances.

1045
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 3: The House, as I said.

1046
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 2: Before, also saying that they are going to look into

1047
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 2: this too, and it can put B six up on

1048
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 2: the screen. You've got a bunch of former military lawyers

1049
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 2: who are saying, you know, former JAGS. Working group unanimously

1050
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,439
Speaker 2: considers both the giving and the execution of these orders,

1051
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 2: if true, to constitute war crimes and murder, or both

1052
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 2: war crimes if you accept the you know the terrorists

1053
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 2: and were at war justification, which again very very dubious

1054
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 2: and outright murder. If you do not accept that justification,

1055
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 2: which I think there is a little reason to accept

1056
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 2: that justification. And we also know Sagur that you know,

1057
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 2: Haig Seth fired a bunch of jags as well, that

1058
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 2: he a bunch of military lawyers that he you know,

1059
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 2: I apparently was concerned would not just go along with

1060
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 2: him doing whatever it is that he wants to do.

1061
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 2: And then the other thing that I'll say about this

1062
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 2: is that the other context that there's whole dust up

1063
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 2: going on right now about the slot Kin Mark Kelly

1064
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 2: video saying Hey, if you're given unlawful orders, you should

1065
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 2: not follow them, and Hegseeth and Trump were freaking out

1066
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 2: about that.

1067
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 3: I mean, I think this is.

1068
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Speaker 2: Part of why that really touched to such a nerve,

1069
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Speaker 2: because there is a real vulnerable ability here for the

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Speaker 2: people who were involved. Now, what Trump is likely to

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Speaker 2: do is just on his way out of office, blanket

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Speaker 2: pardon anyone was involved in this. You know, you're off

1073
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Speaker 2: the hook, get on a jail free card. But if

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Speaker 2: you're one of the elites who is involved, you'll probably

1075
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 2: feel like fairly comfortable that you'll probably be protected. You know,

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00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 2: the more rank and file meager in the middle of

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Speaker 2: the GOT Seal team, six guys like you really feel

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00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 2: confident that they're going to go to Matt for you

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Speaker 2: and make sure that you're protected as well.

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Speaker 7: Well.

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Speaker 1: The Intercept connection that you mentioned there is interesting. The

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00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 1: Intercept has long all the way, by going back to

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Speaker 1: the Bin Laden Raid, has had sources inside of Seal

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Speaker 1: Team six and has always reported some.

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Speaker 3: Of the things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they you got to give them credit a lot.

1087
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Speaker 1: They blew a lot of the stuff open. And this

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to get too deep into

1089
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Speaker 1: the weeds, but like basically, they have long raised questions

1090
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Speaker 1: about the official narratives of Seal Team six. So the

1091
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: fact that they reported it first confirms some of their

1092
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: previous connection there with the highest levels of that command.

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Speaker 1: And yes, I mean obviously they also they're going to

1094
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 1: have to save their own ass if this ever comes

1095
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: into an official inquiry. This has been blown open, and

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00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: I think the reason why is that Congress. Look, the

1097
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: administration pulled a faster one on Congress. The Congress was

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00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: actually about to vote in the Senate where they were

1099
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Speaker 1: going to try and center the administration over the Venezuela

1100
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: War in particular. But what they did is that Trump

1101
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: administration indicated, actually, we're going to back off things. Remember

1102
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: there was like two three week period and so Senate said, Okay,

1103
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: we're going to give you the benefit of the doubt.

1104
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: Obviously that was incredibly stupid. What's happened in the interim, though,

1105
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: is that with this so called double tap and more

1106
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: Congress has the Congress actually has to also not just

1107
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: declare war, but has oversight over all of this. And

1108
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,240
Speaker 1: this is the part where the administration and actually Republicans

1109
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 1: are increasingly waking up to this the midterms as they

1110
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Speaker 1: look right now, it's going to be a blowout when

1111
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: all this stuff subpoena power in the House of Representatives

1112
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Speaker 1: and oversight authority. Let's say some crazy shit happens, the

1113
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 1: Senate goes democratic. I mean, if you're a Steel Team

1114
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: six commander running of these other people, you know, high

1115
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: level operator in the naval special warfare, your ass has

1116
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: come into Washington and you're going to be testifying at

1117
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: least at the very least behind closed doors before the

1118
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: new House Armed Services Committee or the new Senate Armed

1119
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: Services Committe, or they're not going to give you a

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00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: dollar whenever it comes to funding the government, like they

1121
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 1: have no idea what is actually coming. And at that point,

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Speaker 1: I mean, putting these guys under the bus, causing huge

1123
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: problems for them. I think I just want to underscore

1124
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: this is about war on terror coming to America. That's

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00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: what's terrifying about it. And the fact is is that

1126
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: these tactics and you know, modus operata, I know this largely,

1127
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: it's been normalized. Unfortunately, I think in a lot of

1128
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: our g wat and what people are really reacting to.

1129
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: And I think this is part of the unfortunate thing

1130
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Speaker 1: is that people are only really reacting because it's about

1131
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: drug trafficking. But the ground has been set all LOOKI

1132
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: we murdered a US citizen completely with no due process.

1133
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: I mean they basically died that day it was over.

1134
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Speaker 1: And then from that point forward we had all of

1135
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: these captures, capture kill raids, which are just kill raids

1136
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: all over Afghanistan, all over Iraq. And now so it's

1137
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: like you set that ground over twenty years, you create

1138
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: that culture, and that's now being imported here and that's

1139
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: what's the scariest thing about it. And it's like that's

1140
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: why you know, Look, I'd be honest, I didn't clock

1141
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: it at the time. Only people like Glenn and others

1142
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: really understood like what was actually had because it's easy

1143
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: to justify, oh, they're killing terrorists, and it's like, this

1144
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: is what it leads to. This is actually the logical justification.

1145
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just you know, I mean, it was

1146
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 3: just convenient.

1147
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 2: It was it was Glenn who's like a really genuine, committed,

1148
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 2: principled civil libertarian, and you know, and it was lefties

1149
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 2: who were like, this is leading to a bad place.

1150
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 2: Like you may be okay with this now, but just

1151
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:55,919
Speaker 2: you know, every president is going to take this power

1152
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 2: and is going to expand it. And there's a direct

1153
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:02,439
Speaker 2: line between those power graphs and what we're seeing now,

1154
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 2: even though this is an even more you know, brazen

1155
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:08,439
Speaker 2: and even more insane. So in any case, I mean, well,

1156
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 2: I guess I'm glad to see Congress isserting itself a

1157
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 2: little bit here. Never know what could happen, But clearly

1158
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 2: Haig Seth than others feeling at least a little bit

1159
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 2: nervous and uncomfortable, which is I guess a good thing,

1160
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 2: even though this.

1161
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Speaker 3: Is you know, all completely insane.

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Speaker 1: That's right, all right, Okay, let's get to data centers.