Speaker 1: That is like a song right there, like dogs and
Speaker 1: belly tips. If I decided to wrap, that's gonna be
Speaker 1: my single. Oh yeah, it's over. But actually I was
Speaker 1: hearing it more like a kind of like a lin
Speaker 1: Manuel Miranda, like Broadway kind of number. Like I was
Speaker 1: just coming all differently, like this is this has a
Speaker 1: lesson on the back end of it. I think, Son,
Speaker 1: it's like you. And so next time you think about
Speaker 1: judging somebody, this dog wears belly tips, My crop chips
Speaker 1: yours were racist? Who money? Actual stuff? I can't tell me. Yep, yep, yep,
Speaker 1: there it is. There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome
Speaker 1: to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me, the
Speaker 1: podcast where we died deep, deep into the pockets of
Speaker 1: black conspiracy theories and we finally worked to prove that
Speaker 1: Soldier Boy had to wear those giant bathing a clothes
Speaker 1: in his videos, apparently because of that giant penis he's
Speaker 1: been lugging around all these years. We thought the man
Speaker 1: was on cocaine, but nope, it's just the behavior of
Speaker 1: a man whose penis is half the size of his leg. Also,
Speaker 1: he's on cocaine. The these are the rumors, the facts.
Speaker 1: I'd say that I'm spreading. I'm your host, Lankston Kerman,
Speaker 1: coming in uh foolishly as always. I don't think I've
Speaker 1: ever come in in a way that it's respectable or
Speaker 1: or would make my mother proud. And yet I still
Speaker 1: use her for all of the branding of this podcast.
Speaker 1: I've attached her face to the logo without her constant
Speaker 1: and I planned to keep it that way despite any
Speaker 1: for strations that may cause in her personal life. I
Speaker 1: am excited today because my guest, he is not a
Speaker 1: foolish man like myself. He is He is a person
Speaker 1: who who I would credit as one of my earliest
Speaker 1: inspirations as an artist. We we met years and years ago,
Speaker 1: back when I was a budding poet in Chicago. He
Speaker 1: was one of my first teachers. He is a performer,
Speaker 1: he's a poet, he's a playwright. He does all the
Speaker 1: ship and he he inspired me very early on, and
Speaker 1: he continues to inspire so many And he has a play.
Speaker 1: One of his his plays, How We Got On, is
Speaker 1: actually premiering at the Sacred Sacred Fools Theater Company in
Speaker 1: l a And it's January February nineteen two, So you
Speaker 1: motherfucker's better go see it. He's he's a dear friend.
Speaker 1: He is so talented. Please give it up from my guest,
Speaker 1: Mr Hedrids good Way Man, what a natural. I feel
Speaker 1: like I feel like you should invoice me for that
Speaker 1: was incredible. Well not only was the Let's just back
Speaker 1: it up, like so I am, I am. I'm just
Speaker 1: obsessed with Soldier Boy in general, just like this generation.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know I was, you know I was.
Speaker 1: I'm an old head, so like what Soldier was was
Speaker 1: Superman in the house or whatever. Like I was, I
Speaker 1: was at my arms crossing only with mess brother. But
Speaker 1: now he's kind of starting to enter like grumpy old
Speaker 1: black man territory. And now I'm like, I get this, brother.
Speaker 1: He one is grumpy old black man territory. He just
Speaker 1: is continuing to to do it in young people's spaces,
Speaker 1: and so we won't flag it as grumpy old black
Speaker 1: man ship. But it's it's That's all it is is
Speaker 1: being like I did that first. I did like Drake,
Speaker 1: I was like you could hear a million black man
Speaker 1: over an aet s up and go yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: Isn't that good? That's d no, you know he like
Speaker 1: shot somebody Soldier Boy? Yeah bro, yeah no you. One
Speaker 1: of my favorite YouTube videos of all time is his
Speaker 1: recounting of the shootings that transpired. People like who tried
Speaker 1: to break into his house or something? Yeah, him, him
Speaker 1: describing the bullets flying past him like the matrix was
Speaker 1: surely groundbreaking theater, it was written a play about it
Speaker 1: is mind bloom. Yeah, what would like Hollywood stopped sleeping
Speaker 1: on Soldier Boy, Like give this guy platform. They got
Speaker 1: to take him seriously at stand point, you gotta get
Speaker 1: him on your show. I would love that more than anything.
Speaker 1: I would love it. I don't know that we would
Speaker 1: be able to make it an entire hour, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like one of those things where
Speaker 1: you're like, funk, I would love to talk to Soldier Boy,
Speaker 1: and then you talked to him for fifteen minute You're like, funk,
Speaker 1: why didn't I talk to Soldier Boy? That would have
Speaker 1: like more parts than trapped in the closet. It would
Speaker 1: be like are oh my gosh, Anyway, that's longer than
Speaker 1: I think I expect to talk about Soldier Boy today. Well,
Speaker 1: we have a lot of nonsense to talk about. But
Speaker 1: but the soldier boy. Thing is not a terrible segue
Speaker 1: into the conspiracy theory that you sent our way, and
Speaker 1: it is not a nonsense conspiracy theory. It's actually a
Speaker 1: pretty haunting one if true. You said, my mama told
Speaker 1: me there was a secret meeting between prison industrialists and
Speaker 1: members of the recording industry to encourage the sell against
Speaker 1: the wrap. Yeah. More, it's just all right. So I
Speaker 1: consider this like the sort of hip hop generation Willie
Speaker 1: Lynch papers, because there's like, remember, we all remember where
Speaker 1: we were when we first read the Willie Lynch let
Speaker 1: and then then and then when we found out it
Speaker 1: might not be true, it was like staggering, but then
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, they don't want you to know it's true,
Speaker 1: you know. And so similarly, this is like the hip
Speaker 1: hop generation, you know, just because there's truth in it,
Speaker 1: it's not hard to it's not hard to to to
Speaker 1: to fathom at all. And even if it's not true,
Speaker 1: it's kind of still true, like you know, mean something
Speaker 1: variation of that, like it happened on the spin in
Speaker 1: the on the on the spiritual level of like the
Speaker 1: collective consciousness level, like they were talking. They may not
Speaker 1: have been talking to each other, but they's talking to
Speaker 1: each other. Yeah, yeah, I you know what, that's how
Speaker 1: they get It's it truly is I think you're absolutely
Speaker 1: correct that it It truly is one of those things
Speaker 1: where it's like, I don't know that we've ever it's
Speaker 1: it's something that's been in the lexicon, the hip hop
Speaker 1: sort of like a stratosphere for forever, but it isn't
Speaker 1: necessarily something anybody has ever been able to pin down
Speaker 1: and say for sure, it happened on this state this
Speaker 1: time with these parties. But you can kind of see
Speaker 1: the product of everything that people have been theorizing for years,
Speaker 1: and it's not it's not so far fetched that you
Speaker 1: think this is impossible, this cannot have happened. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's it's I mean because when you think about the
Speaker 1: amount of people who are not at all anyway related
Speaker 1: what shape or form to the world of the streets,
Speaker 1: you know, and how many millions of dollars they've made
Speaker 1: like off of it, you know what I mean, it's
Speaker 1: like and it was a concern. It was like a
Speaker 1: notice noticeable shift where it's like I remember, it went
Speaker 1: from like hey, there's kidding playing, there's the Beast Boys
Speaker 1: and you know, there's in w A and then suddenly
Speaker 1: it was just like everybody had a mac Elevin or
Speaker 1: was named Maclevin or you know so but then something.
Speaker 1: But you could argue, what, that's just commerce, you know,
Speaker 1: like everybody there's waves and there's but it hasn't really
Speaker 1: dropped off, like we're still out here so predominant. Like
Speaker 1: you know, even the Kanye backpack years were sort of
Speaker 1: sandwiched with like a different It was more of a
Speaker 1: shift in the way that we talked about, like, uh,
Speaker 1: I guess criminality. It wasn't like gangster rap as much.
Speaker 1: It became like hustle wrap. But hustle wrap still was
Speaker 1: like I'll murder your grandma, but i'll murder your grandma
Speaker 1: was styled I'm not like kicking in the door, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll send a guy in the murder your ground. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he speaking on the track. He won't be out long,
Speaker 1: but he's gonna wrap real quick, and he's he'll be
Speaker 1: here in a minute. There he is. Yeah. Man, So
Speaker 1: I so I don't know, I'm dying to know, but
Speaker 1: I've I've when when the prop came, I mean there's
Speaker 1: so many so like I walk around, Yeah, these theories
Speaker 1: all day. So first of all, I also didn't I
Speaker 1: was like, how did I not know that you have
Speaker 1: this show? Or be like you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like I was like, first of all, it was a
Speaker 1: conspiracy that I didn't know that you had to show.
Speaker 1: I was like, first of all, they know they're trying
Speaker 1: to you know. And then I and then I listened
Speaker 1: to a few episodes and I was just like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't see what's I don't see what
Speaker 1: the conspiracy theories that this is all that is, This
Speaker 1: all feels on the notes. To me, that is one
Speaker 1: of the more interesting journeys. And all of this is
Speaker 1: like a lot of times what it is as a
Speaker 1: black person being like this is something my mama saying,
Speaker 1: and we just have to like pretend like it's not facts.
Speaker 1: We have to like go down a train where it's
Speaker 1: like who your mama wild? When she theorized that the
Speaker 1: government had bad intentions for black people? Why did she
Speaker 1: come up with this stuff? Wow? Look a here, I
Speaker 1: just found it the article. But no, anyway, so I'm
Speaker 1: all over the place. But yeah, man, so I just
Speaker 1: but I remember it was what I first encountered it well,
Speaker 1: that's what I was gonna ask you, what do you
Speaker 1: remember the sort of like time period where you first
Speaker 1: started to say he year that this secret meeting had
Speaker 1: had taken place, So this was earlier. I remember, this
Speaker 1: was very early on and like this it's post friends
Speaker 1: Sterre for sure. It might have been early Facebook. So
Speaker 1: somewhere between my Space and Facebook just started in the earth.
Speaker 1: So this and this is like pre this is like
Speaker 1: when conspiracy theory started creeping into good natured social media,
Speaker 1: you know. So I wasn't as like and going somewhere
Speaker 1: with that bullshit, you know, Like I was just like
Speaker 1: because again, like I said that, it's like it's not
Speaker 1: so far fetched, and you know you heard it in
Speaker 1: the music, like in the Dead Press era Caress One.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're always something like hip hop police, and
Speaker 1: you know, and there's always been that tension ever since
Speaker 1: uh ice Cube tour into Jerry Heller, you know, and
Speaker 1: like sort lifted the veil back on the sort of
Speaker 1: racial dynamic of the record company owner and the and
Speaker 1: the rapper you know, and like who's really who's really
Speaker 1: the who's yeah, and uh so this this just this
Speaker 1: was just like fulfilling all of the the fantasy, you know,
Speaker 1: just like what you imagine happens behind those closed doors,
Speaker 1: Right yeah. I always think about conspiracy theories as sort
Speaker 1: of like, uh, you know, I don't believe that marijuana
Speaker 1: is any version of a gateway drug, but I do
Speaker 1: think the conspiracy theory kind of is that, like it
Speaker 1: truly only takes one to to really crack you open
Speaker 1: enough that you go, well, if that's true, A lot
Speaker 1: of these other things potentially could be true, or it
Speaker 1: might lead me at least to consider them in a
Speaker 1: way that I might not have considered them before. And
Speaker 1: I think in that way, this one probably for a
Speaker 1: lot of people. And and maybe like to your point,
Speaker 1: the ice cube of it all or whatever it is,
Speaker 1: there are these small moments in hip hop where you go, hey,
Speaker 1: that's fucked up, you know what I mean, Like, that's
Speaker 1: not how you're supposed to treat people. And then you
Speaker 1: go you then you you're on my Space one day
Speaker 1: and you read this this supposed letter and you're like, whoa,
Speaker 1: if this is if that okay, now everything's real and
Speaker 1: and this is all a grand conspiracy theory. But you
Speaker 1: just remind me there is another level to it too,
Speaker 1: which is the guilt factor in hip hop, right, especially
Speaker 1: if you're like a person of color and black person especially,
Speaker 1: you love hip hop because you love you you know,
Speaker 1: you love all the shades and colors to it. And
Speaker 1: then and then you know and you love Spice one
Speaker 1: and you love confidence once one it and you love
Speaker 1: you know, you loved fifty right, and then you read
Speaker 1: this and you suddenly you feel like a little guilty.
Speaker 1: So in a way, it almost feels like did see
Speaker 1: the Lors Tucker and the black conservatives cooked this up
Speaker 1: to be? Like so you're just playing into the white
Speaker 1: man play? Is it? Is? It? Is? It? Like crazy
Speaker 1: Cosby kind of like you know, you you guys got
Speaker 1: pulled pants kind of because you're just playing right into
Speaker 1: the devil. It's like when you remember when you were
Speaker 1: like in in a high school, like in a school
Speaker 1: like mostly white school, and then with the black like
Speaker 1: administrator or assistant principal or teacher or whatever, and you
Speaker 1: be cutting up and then they see you and they
Speaker 1: like single you out and be like, yeah, they're they're
Speaker 1: doing that. We had we have higher standards for you,
Speaker 1: brother bulls. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's just like I see yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: just not a gag. But you can't. You can't do
Speaker 1: it like that. You know, you know they don't respect you. Right,
Speaker 1: So now I wonder is this was this actually was
Speaker 1: the story actually cooked up by conservative black folks? WHOA,
Speaker 1: I don't that's heavy. I don't know. I don't want
Speaker 1: to believe I do. Wait a minute, that's I think
Speaker 1: that's a legit question to be asking, is is who
Speaker 1: is the the creator the source of this material, because
Speaker 1: like you said, nobody's ever been able to pin down
Speaker 1: the participants here. That's what's always sort of been this
Speaker 1: like nebulous group of like powerful people much it's a
Speaker 1: it's an illuminati, just a taste of music illuminati that
Speaker 1: sort of like came up with this idea. And to
Speaker 1: your point, maybe this is just a bunch of conservative
Speaker 1: black folks who were mad at bone thugs being like,
Speaker 1: I know how we can get them. I know, I
Speaker 1: know the plan. We're not against rap, against wrappers, but
Speaker 1: we are against those thugs anyway. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't want to believe it. But you know, to
Speaker 1: your point that like you know, that's crazy, Like when
Speaker 1: you you said that, you're like, we don't know who
Speaker 1: was at that, Like, what would you do if you
Speaker 1: were just Rando at a party? Right? Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: were just like at a dinner party or something and
Speaker 1: somebody was like, hey, you know what was that that meaning?
Speaker 1: Like what would you get in that moment? What would
Speaker 1: you take a picture with? Dude? Would you punch him?
Speaker 1: Would you ask questions? I know for sure I would
Speaker 1: not punch them. I would be so curious. There's nothing
Speaker 1: in me that like like granted, they clearly are like
Speaker 1: if if in fact they are real person who really
Speaker 1: was a part of this meeting. They are arguably as
Speaker 1: damaging to the black community as drugs, as Ronald Reagan,
Speaker 1: as a lot of things that have sort of like
Speaker 1: come to be. But I think my curiosity would far
Speaker 1: outweigh my need to like punch him in the face
Speaker 1: and then get murdered in my hotel for him later
Speaker 1: that night. There's no way you survived this year, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? But you would you be a
Speaker 1: legend though, You'd be a legend for sure. And they'd
Speaker 1: also like pretend like you were on drugs when you
Speaker 1: punched them, and there was you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: they paint a different story. They wouldn't be like a
Speaker 1: he out here trying to save hip hop. They'd be like,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, they'd be like, this goddamn cracking punched
Speaker 1: one of our great white Americans. What do you think
Speaker 1: you would do? Would you? Would you? Would you ask questions?
Speaker 1: Are you punching? What are you thinking? Oh? I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I would not punching me that I have too many questions.
Speaker 1: At first, I wanted to prove it. I'd like, I'd
Speaker 1: like be, but I'd be like trying to get info.
Speaker 1: I'd be trying to get into So I do the
Speaker 1: old hand in the pocket press the recorder thing that
Speaker 1: happens in movies that never happens in real life because
Speaker 1: I know they always do, and then they do like
Speaker 1: the shot of the hand in the pocket, you know,
Speaker 1: and then I get, I get i'd record, and then
Speaker 1: I'd be like you weren't there? You are? And if
Speaker 1: you was there? And who else was that? You know?
Speaker 1: I do that whole day, and then I get the
Speaker 1: hole right now to all the names, and and then
Speaker 1: like kill bill, like just just going first and a
Speaker 1: person with a sword and a jumpsuit chopping them up.
Speaker 1: But okay, but even more okay, So this is really
Speaker 1: fun though. So so, first of all, there was it
Speaker 1: was this was this black folks who like came up.
Speaker 1: Was like, which is very possible? Could this have been
Speaker 1: conservative black people who who sort of like hid behind
Speaker 1: this ominous white group. It just was like once upon
Speaker 1: a time, because you know, black fook, we love parables,
Speaker 1: We love like parables and like that's how we that's
Speaker 1: how we school the next year, or you know, we
Speaker 1: love parables and mows. So so is it like a
Speaker 1: terrible that's one we'll just put that over here. But
Speaker 1: if it did actually happen, here's what I want to
Speaker 1: know the record exact part I get because they're like
Speaker 1: because they love it, because a gangster rap is fun.
Speaker 1: It's not hard. It's not like, please do more of this.
Speaker 1: You're like, okay, I was gonna do it anyway, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: when do I really want to do another X Clan album? Like,
Speaker 1: let's be honest, right, And to that point, it's but
Speaker 1: you know they're not listening. Dog, It's fine, you can
Speaker 1: shoot what Professor X like, oh super with the key
Speaker 1: another fine episode. My mama told me. It does make
Speaker 1: me think though, to that point, it's not as if
Speaker 1: people are saying that this this secret meeting conceived gangster rap. Right,
Speaker 1: They're not saying like y'all sat down, y'all thought of
Speaker 1: this ship, you pitched it to the original murder rapper,
Speaker 1: who then made it popular. They just saw a trend
Speaker 1: in then we're like, yo, make that trend pop as
Speaker 1: opposed to this other trends that were heading in a
Speaker 1: different direction. But because crime pays, And that's what I'm
Speaker 1: wondering as I'm wondering a if this did happen, mm hmm,
Speaker 1: how did the who made that connect? Like, was this
Speaker 1: like an A and R whose daddy like ran a prison?
Speaker 1: Was it just like a warden who just like loved
Speaker 1: gangster rap and was just like or just was like
Speaker 1: one day having his coffee in the yard and so like, guys,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like we're citing gangster Rap
Speaker 1: at the bench and was just like, you know, that's
Speaker 1: the idea. Yeah, that's the dravertization. I want to see.
Speaker 1: I want to see that little reenactment with the show.
Speaker 1: Can y'all do like a little animated I'd love to
Speaker 1: financially No, but I will say that there is something
Speaker 1: really interesting about what you're saying because at its core,
Speaker 1: what you're suggesting at least is that the person who
Speaker 1: did this might have been a fan of gangster rap,
Speaker 1: that they are not. They're not coming from a position
Speaker 1: of of hatred, which I think is how it's always
Speaker 1: been positive to me, and sort of like, uh, I've
Speaker 1: always understood it's like, oh, this person hates black people
Speaker 1: and hates gangster rap, and they wanted to find a
Speaker 1: way to to both hurt us but also increase value
Speaker 1: for themselves. And instead you're saying like now, they were
Speaker 1: listening to this ship and they were like, play more
Speaker 1: and kill these niggers. If we can do both, everybody wins. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's get paid. But listen, it's more people in here.
Speaker 1: They're having a great time in the yard. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the more complicated you see. People don't want to
Speaker 1: look at it that way, like said, everybody wants it
Speaker 1: to be you know, you know, but what it's all
Speaker 1: cutting dry, hurting hate, and it ain't. It ain't always
Speaker 1: that simple. And who was the Yeah, to go back
Speaker 1: to something you had said, yeah, who was the leak?
Speaker 1: Like who was the leaker? Was there just like somebody
Speaker 1: undercover for you know? It was like in the room
Speaker 1: and like it's conscious or her conscious got to her
Speaker 1: and she was like, I gotta tell the world, like
Speaker 1: who was the whistle bar? Was that like just an
Speaker 1: administrative assistant who was just supposed to be taking minutes?
Speaker 1: You know? She like filed it poorly and secretly dating
Speaker 1: stuff the shocker or something silk stuttered it out somewhere
Speaker 1: out at the bar. Well, so here's my question for you,
Speaker 1: because in the my space post front store early MySpace
Speaker 1: Facebook era, you read this about the supposed secret meeting.
Speaker 1: Are you immediately I know you're saying like you're usually
Speaker 1: not like super conspiratorial, but here you are, and you're like,
Speaker 1: this isn't that far of a stretch? Are you then
Speaker 1: taking this to your peers? Are you then like gather around, gents,
Speaker 1: I got some some ship that I want to tell
Speaker 1: you about. Are you sort of I'm gonna sit on
Speaker 1: this and let see how much it it sort of
Speaker 1: gains in town. It definitely got like shared around may
Speaker 1: or may not have shared it my damn self, but
Speaker 1: like definitely, yes, it was a thing. It was hot
Speaker 1: for like a little minute, it didn't stay Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then it's one of those things too, were you here,
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh damn. Like Willie Lynch Letter, You're like,
Speaker 1: oh damn. And then and then like some time goes
Speaker 1: by and you don't see it, and then it comes
Speaker 1: up again and you're like yeah. And then and then
Speaker 1: some time goes by, and then you're like it's it's
Speaker 1: being discredited as like a myth, and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of knew it was bullshit, right. And then
Speaker 1: and then some years ago back it comes up again.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, this ship again, right, Like who cares? Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it probably did happen, who knows? Who cares? Like, you
Speaker 1: know what is it is sort of like the the
Speaker 1: the challenge of or not even the challenge, but these
Speaker 1: sort of like, uh, the excitement of youth right at
Speaker 1: the end of the day. So much of the things
Speaker 1: that I'm passionate about are really more the result of
Speaker 1: me being young and having the energy to be passionate
Speaker 1: about them. And now, even when I see awful things
Speaker 1: that are sort of happening in the world around my community,
Speaker 1: there's a part of me that's too bored and exhausted
Speaker 1: with with all of it to even do something about it.
Speaker 1: I'm just like Yeah, no, you're right. They probably should
Speaker 1: have figured out these COVID tests, but we are. So
Speaker 1: you know what it is when when you're you know,
Speaker 1: when you're like a kid, and if you've got siblings
Speaker 1: and stuff, you know, you you've got this sense of fairness,
Speaker 1: and you're like, that's not fair. And then we say
Speaker 1: that adults like usually do something right more or less,
Speaker 1: not all the time, like sometimes like it's not fair.
Speaker 1: It's not fair. I gotta go to work all day
Speaker 1: for you look at you know whatever. It's not fair
Speaker 1: that your daddy got gout, you know whatever. And then
Speaker 1: as you get older, you realize, like fairness is just
Speaker 1: like a concept, Like it's just like it's a lot
Speaker 1: of work to be fair, Like you know, it takes
Speaker 1: like time and and meetings and like all sorts of
Speaker 1: stuff to get justice and fair Yeah and uh. And
Speaker 1: so whether it's true there wasn't true, it's like we'll
Speaker 1: never know. And even if we didn't know, I mean,
Speaker 1: if we got all the if we did crash that
Speaker 1: party and find you know, with Shelly white Man and
Speaker 1: what everybody, and they were like, yeah, we did it.
Speaker 1: We had a meeting, you know, we made lots of
Speaker 1: money off of off of those those Ghetto Boys albums
Speaker 1: were probably just evolved into like, yeah, that ship was
Speaker 1: good though, like right, and that that's the crazy part,
Speaker 1: right is, at the end of the day, even if
Speaker 1: that is true, right to your point, even if we
Speaker 1: find out that all of this is true, what are
Speaker 1: you going to see that and then opt out of
Speaker 1: listening to all of these artists that help promote gangster
Speaker 1: are not going to And then and then you start
Speaker 1: getting in the gradients where you're like, what the locks
Speaker 1: is Like they lyrical, but they're like street though, so
Speaker 1: they're not like, you know, the murders got metaphors and
Speaker 1: we can rock with them. You're like, well that's a
Speaker 1: classic though, I mean right, like, and that's the thing
Speaker 1: about this conspiracy is that like it wouldn't have been
Speaker 1: a thing if it wasn't a thing. So the people
Speaker 1: it's not like they were like, oh we gotta like
Speaker 1: the later hose in the industry didn't go in the
Speaker 1: according and go and say we need some more this
Speaker 1: poker shit, you know, because it's hot, Like it's like
Speaker 1: it was already hot, right, No, it's it's you know
Speaker 1: you know what it is. It's high fruit, toast, corn syrup.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, we're fucking addicted to sugar.
Speaker 1: Whether they push it on us or they don't, they
Speaker 1: just happened to find a concentrated way to push it
Speaker 1: on us. And is that right? Absolutely not. But does
Speaker 1: that then make us some sort of like different group
Speaker 1: of people who may have been able to like never
Speaker 1: get diabetes and avoid all of this ship Probably not
Speaker 1: should taste too good, you know what I mean, we
Speaker 1: would have just sucked the corn squeeze. Yeah, yeah, Now
Speaker 1: these are facts, man, these are facts. I feel like
Speaker 1: we just we just we turned this into like a
Speaker 1: very it's all futile kind of thing. I feel like, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's a little nihilist. We're not we're not. Uh, we're
Speaker 1: not giving the listeners hope yet. But maybe there's hope
Speaker 1: on the other end of this. Maybe there's something we
Speaker 1: can we can send them home with that's gonna make
Speaker 1: them feel all warm and good about their their gangster ramp.
Speaker 1: You know, we gangster rap with hope. That's that's what
Speaker 1: we're working on for the rest of this episode. In
Speaker 1: wh I think it's with Hope. I think that's got
Speaker 1: to be the name of the episode. At this point,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be great. We're gonna take a break. We'll
Speaker 1: be back with more agres. Good morning. More, my mama
Speaker 1: told me, we are that we're not gonna let Joe
Speaker 1: Biden and Kamala Harris cut America's meet. That's dead on that.
Speaker 1: That's that all that. Yeah, we're back here. Well more,
Speaker 1: my mama told me more agres. Good When we're still
Speaker 1: talking about the possibility that there was a secret meeting
Speaker 1: held between music exists and and prison pipeline experts who
Speaker 1: masterminded the sales of Gangster Wrapped to urban youth, do
Speaker 1: you think that with that they and this, I think
Speaker 1: it is going to help us get into some of
Speaker 1: this research that they were specifically assuming that this music
Speaker 1: would only appeal to black and brown people. Were they
Speaker 1: Did they ever consider the possibility that there was some
Speaker 1: white child who would eventually fall in love with this music?
Speaker 1: You know, this is the real spill of it, though,
Speaker 1: I mean of of white supremacy. And I say this
Speaker 1: kind of like like like you know, it's like when
Speaker 1: you see a boxer who's like, you know, like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go face this person, and like I know fully well,
Speaker 1: when I get in the ring, this person, they're gonna
Speaker 1: try to murder me. Yeah, I kind of strangely respect that,
Speaker 1: but like, I got to prepare myself to face this person.
Speaker 1: So I've gone through many phases of like kind of
Speaker 1: reconciling myself and preparing myself to face white supremacy every day,
Speaker 1: and the and the premise and what empowers me to
Speaker 1: not waiver or get into the Well, there's two sides, right, Um,
Speaker 1: is that the basis of white supremacy is the belief that,
Speaker 1: you know, anyone not white is lesser, but also that
Speaker 1: black people are inherently just violent and criminal and civilized.
Speaker 1: So yeah, their premises that a civilized white person can
Speaker 1: listen against Rof and be like hmm interesting, entire oh interesting,
Speaker 1: you know, because they like it too. They always have, right,
Speaker 1: I always have. But you know they're so civilized and
Speaker 1: sophisticated that you know they're they're not going to they
Speaker 1: can understand it for entertainment. But whereas Yeah, the belief
Speaker 1: was that this is just background music for our criminal
Speaker 1: activity already, and he was already out doing dry bys,
Speaker 1: and we're like, I need the right song to to
Speaker 1: be this The score not to do. So let me
Speaker 1: look through my go through my catalog, and I can't
Speaker 1: murder without a beat. I need a beat turn off
Speaker 1: that shots to COVID. Spice went on, So, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's a it's a very racist, it's it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's steeped in in all the garbage. Yeah, it's so fast.
Speaker 1: I think that's a fantastic way of putting it, that
Speaker 1: that it's not a concern of whether or not white
Speaker 1: children we're going to listen to it because at its core,
Speaker 1: you believe that white children will not be swayed by
Speaker 1: it the same way that these poor black and brown
Speaker 1: children were inherently going to be moved by the music
Speaker 1: that they were listening to. And here's here's what super
Speaker 1: ill too, man. I mean, if you go to the history,
Speaker 1: I mean we get if we get if we don't
Speaker 1: get right down to it. I mean you think about
Speaker 1: like chain quote unquote chain gang music, right, I mean
Speaker 1: how chain gangs that staid was like just vagrancy. It
Speaker 1: was just like we're gonna like burn your towns down,
Speaker 1: take your houses a way. You can't vote, I can't
Speaker 1: get no damn job. And so brothers will just be
Speaker 1: walking down the street because they you know, and they
Speaker 1: would be like, Yo, you're vagrant, so I'm gonna put
Speaker 1: you on this chain gang for fifty years, right, and
Speaker 1: started singing and some white man recorded that and made
Speaker 1: money off of that. And so if you think about that,
Speaker 1: that correlation has been there from from from Jump Street.
Speaker 1: So it but you know the other piece of it
Speaker 1: too that just occurred to me now that we're talking, is, um,
Speaker 1: do you remember that saw my acn you Got Me
Speaker 1: a Lot? Yeah? I remember. I kind of like that.
Speaker 1: I didn't like like that song, but it's like you
Speaker 1: hear it and you're like, I don't hate that song,
Speaker 1: you know. And I remember the woman I was dating
Speaker 1: at the time saying something like they got these you know,
Speaker 1: they got they got they got these kids like you
Speaker 1: know singing that right, like singing like oh, it's cool
Speaker 1: that like you know, prison prison, that prison aesthetic started
Speaker 1: coming into the music videos or like d Block and
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, like the Crance. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's so so that aesthetic and that that correlation has
Speaker 1: always been there. But I think the thing we can't
Speaker 1: ever lose sight of is really like there's always been
Speaker 1: that correlation and that's who's I mean, you know, they
Speaker 1: make the bread off of the numbers right in the
Speaker 1: black and brown and so we're joking and because it
Speaker 1: is kind of the theory, but yeah, I mean, the
Speaker 1: real spill of it is just like whether this was
Speaker 1: true or not true, again, it's true, Like you know,
Speaker 1: it reminds what you're saying, reminds me so much of that,
Speaker 1: and they I realized it was very much a response
Speaker 1: to what was already a trend of like in the
Speaker 1: in the mid nineties of selling like literal like prison
Speaker 1: jumpsuits has like fashion and then there's that Fresh Prince
Speaker 1: episode where like Will like gets his hair twisted, eyes
Speaker 1: like the prison jumpsuit, and Uncle Phil tells them, like,
Speaker 1: you're looking like a gangster. This is gonna like lead
Speaker 1: you down the wrong path, and then he ends up
Speaker 1: getting into some like weird like police alteration because of
Speaker 1: the way that he looks. And it was all meant
Speaker 1: to be this important allegory to teach us to be
Speaker 1: more responsible, I think, with the way that we like
Speaker 1: carried ourselves in society. And it's all a fucking yucky lesson,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Where It's like we're
Speaker 1: shaming in a lot of ways the people who are
Speaker 1: merely responding to a choice that a bunch of capitalists
Speaker 1: at a much higher level exactly decided, you know, they
Speaker 1: made choices. And then we go like, man, if only
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have put that jumpsuit on and twisted Jay
Speaker 1: stayed out of trouble. Yo, did you see? Um? This
Speaker 1: totally rando? But I've been just telling it, you know,
Speaker 1: bring us up everywhere because I thought it was, like
Speaker 1: the best thing I saw last year was that Colin
Speaker 1: Kaepernick show, that Colin in real life, Yo, Colin and
Speaker 1: black and White, Colin in Black and White and that
Speaker 1: whole I love how like the first episode was all
Speaker 1: about hair and like him wanting to get the braids
Speaker 1: and look like AI and as parents being like, yo,
Speaker 1: you you look like a thug. Like that was the
Speaker 1: I've never seen that on TV. But then you brought
Speaker 1: up this fresh Prince drain and I'm like, wow, it's
Speaker 1: kind of a similar thing of just like the way
Speaker 1: you do your which is so silly, right, like yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's it truly at its core, right, It's the
Speaker 1: the irony of it all is you look like a
Speaker 1: thug because a bunch of people outside of your community
Speaker 1: created those associations, not because thugs created those associations. I
Speaker 1: know thugs that that where you know, fucking belly tops
Speaker 1: like they're truly thugs coming all forms, all created these associations.
Speaker 1: All right, Let's jump into some of this research because
Speaker 1: I think I think some of this is going to
Speaker 1: be helpful both for us and the listeners to ground
Speaker 1: this conversation. The original While this obviously is a conversation,
Speaker 1: I think that's circulated, as we said, for years and
Speaker 1: years around the hip hop community. This source that I
Speaker 1: could find at least that that sort of sites where
Speaker 1: this official conversation started came from a supposed letter, an
Speaker 1: anonymous letter sent to the site hip hop is Read
Speaker 1: on April fovelve Is, when apparently the official letter was sent,
Speaker 1: and this anonymous letter claimed to be from a person
Speaker 1: who was at the supposed meeting in nine where a
Speaker 1: number of music decision makers met at a a secret location.
Speaker 1: It was a home right outside of l A twenty
Speaker 1: five to thirty of them all joined together, which that
Speaker 1: was a larger number than I think I had ever anticipated.
Speaker 1: I thought it was like a more like eight to
Speaker 1: twelve kind of energy, but it was twenty five to
Speaker 1: thirty music executives and then five people who they said
Speaker 1: were extremely anti social and that none of them recognized.
Speaker 1: And then those five people ended up, after being led
Speaker 1: by one of the music executives who had sort of
Speaker 1: organized the whole thing, ended up taking over the conversation.
Speaker 1: And like we've been saying, encouraging everyone to start to
Speaker 1: invest in gangster rap because these corporations and the lead
Speaker 1: executives had already built relationships with private prisons, and subsequently,
Speaker 1: by promoting gangster rap, not only could they increase the
Speaker 1: wealth of those corporations, of these these music industry corporations,
Speaker 1: but they could also personally gained a bunch of wealth
Speaker 1: by sort of doing like blind investments in these same
Speaker 1: private prisons. Yeah, that should happen. Totally see it. That
Speaker 1: totally happens, especially now. I didn't. I didn't know it
Speaker 1: was that. Yeah, the n is when it's supposed to.
Speaker 1: This meeting took place. That's a year before the riots, No,
Speaker 1: I believe. So, yeah, people, you know, someone has to
Speaker 1: really talk about how conservative California is. People be thinking
Speaker 1: California is like there's some scary waits out there. No,
Speaker 1: it's yeah, I think it's it's it's terrifying how conservative
Speaker 1: California and terrifying. It's a weighted word, but it it
Speaker 1: is haunting how much we pretend as if this is
Speaker 1: sort of like this liberal haven. I I listened to
Speaker 1: this podcast by this dude Robert Evans called it could
Speaker 1: Happen here, where he sort of explores the possibility that
Speaker 1: like we actually are much closer to civil war than
Speaker 1: we think that we are, and it's part of like
Speaker 1: the America American agenda to keep us believing that we're
Speaker 1: like better than every other country that sort of like
Speaker 1: finds themselves murdering their own citizens. That said, one of
Speaker 1: the things he points out is that like most of
Speaker 1: California is actually controlled by like the food and water
Speaker 1: so fly of California specifically is controlled by like very conservative,
Speaker 1: very rural towns in northern California, and if at any
Speaker 1: point they decide to sort of like pull back from
Speaker 1: the Californian community, then we are basically cut off and
Speaker 1: we will literally be fighting in the streets over like
Speaker 1: coffee and fucking eggs and ship. Okay, so let's write
Speaker 1: that pilot. That's that's amazing. That's amazing. Yeah, that's that's real.
Speaker 1: Spell though, man, I mean people don't don't realize, but
Speaker 1: like I mean not far Like you go out to
Speaker 1: the O C. And you go out, you know, it's
Speaker 1: all these little towns just sprinkle with just like you know,
Speaker 1: just like very very traditional quote unquote. Yeah. So anyway,
Speaker 1: but I I I think it happen. I don't know
Speaker 1: what you think, but I like when you read that
Speaker 1: description with the details, I was like, oh, yeah, never mind,
Speaker 1: I I believed it. Then. I see see when you've
Speaker 1: read it just now, I got the same feeling I
Speaker 1: did back in the day. I also read that before.
Speaker 1: That was definitely out there before. Yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: think the conspiracy existed before twelve. And then the letter
Speaker 1: was and this person says that in the letter where
Speaker 1: they said, I've been sitting on this for years. I've
Speaker 1: heard people talk about this three years, but it is
Speaker 1: it's finally reached the point where I feel like I
Speaker 1: need to step up and say what I know. They
Speaker 1: also spend the entire time saying that I'm I'm too
Speaker 1: fearful for my life and safety to actually name names
Speaker 1: in this thing, so I will keep everybody anonymous, including myself.
Speaker 1: They also talk about you asked the question of like
Speaker 1: did everybody just go along with what was presented? They
Speaker 1: talked about the fact that when this was originally sort
Speaker 1: of like initiated in the meeting, that number I think
Speaker 1: they said three people stood up, like what the funk
Speaker 1: are you talking about and were immediately escorted off of
Speaker 1: the property and and based the erased from this conversation
Speaker 1: and not murdered, but just certainly like made to keep
Speaker 1: quiet in that way. And also everybody had to sign
Speaker 1: in the A. So that's part of the argument for
Speaker 1: why it's never ever come forward, do you think, Rincy Johnson?
Speaker 1: Because Chris has been everywhere And that's the part I
Speaker 1: love that you asked that I really do, because that's
Speaker 1: the part that's always bugs me about sort of the
Speaker 1: way that it's presented is it makes it seem as
Speaker 1: if and now I think this is also some of
Speaker 1: the Bamboo's element that Black people often due to ourselves.
Speaker 1: It makes it seem as if this was just a
Speaker 1: collection of of proud white men coming together to do
Speaker 1: proud white men things, and it's like, no, this was
Speaker 1: rich people coming together do rich people things, and so
Speaker 1: there's a real possibility mostly white people. Absolutely, there was,
Speaker 1: if if if any, it was a sprinkling, but that
Speaker 1: sprinkling is very much representative of of what that class
Speaker 1: of people is. Right, At a certain point, you get
Speaker 1: rich enough that it doesn't matter who's on the other
Speaker 1: end of your of your decision making. You just want
Speaker 1: more money. Yeah, these are facts, and so that brings
Speaker 1: us back to that conservative conservative No. Um, okay, so
Speaker 1: we I think we both agreed that this totally happened.
Speaker 1: Now the question, I think so Now the question is
Speaker 1: who are the people of color in the in that room?
Speaker 1: How do we get to them? Are they still alive?
Speaker 1: That was it? I think I think you gotta put
Speaker 1: l a read in the room. If if we're talking
Speaker 1: music in the early nineties, I think you got to
Speaker 1: put Yeah, I think baby Face was maybe on like
Speaker 1: a speaker phone, you know what I mean. I don't
Speaker 1: think he was there. I think he's a little too
Speaker 1: front facing that they couldn't put baby Face in the room.
Speaker 1: And they were like, well, we'll let baby listen in
Speaker 1: like put like a baby. We're gonna We're gonna just
Speaker 1: we're gonna hang out, which we're you right back again.
Speaker 1: I think I think they had this meeting and then
Speaker 1: at some point they were like, and now, uh performance
Speaker 1: from baby Face, when can I see you again on
Speaker 1: the guitar over speaker phone for everybody to listen to.
Speaker 1: That's hilarious. Okay, Here's so one of the things that
Speaker 1: sort of like popped in my head as I'm as
Speaker 1: I was reading all of this. Because the writer remained anonymous,
Speaker 1: he said that he stayed in the music industry for
Speaker 1: another two years, and then he says eventually that like
Speaker 1: his the sort of weight of what he knew in
Speaker 1: the shift that he saw from you know, the sort
Speaker 1: of like fat boys into the biggie small was too
Speaker 1: much for him to handle and he couldn't do it anymore.
Speaker 1: The fat boys the thing wait waite who I'm not
Speaker 1: sure who he's dissing there. He didn't say them specifically,
Speaker 1: He was like that those those fat ones are nice,
Speaker 1: and this fat one's me. You want to eat if
Speaker 1: we want to eat, and killing make interface. So he
Speaker 1: said he had to get out of it. But one
Speaker 1: of the things that that sort of immediately felt like
Speaker 1: I had to ask myself and I needed to then
Speaker 1: ask the Internet is is there a correlation between rat
Speaker 1: music and crime? Like? Is there any evidence of there
Speaker 1: being a correlation between rap music and crime? And I
Speaker 1: can't cannot express enough how much of a fucking dork
Speaker 1: you feel like when you have to type into Google
Speaker 1: does rap music lead to violence? You know who? Who's
Speaker 1: who's your man? Who's the dude with the conservative Jewish
Speaker 1: guy with the with the oh, I know Ben and Shapiro.
Speaker 1: Shapirot like, He's like, yeah, does you're like does rap music?
Speaker 1: And Shapiro pops up He's like, I'll take it from here.
Speaker 1: I got it. I got a big doug. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: had to take that in and I'm terribly ashamed. But
Speaker 1: in doing that, I found this to two thousand six
Speaker 1: study from something called the Prevention of Research Center of
Speaker 1: the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation, Oh excuse me,
Speaker 1: out of Berkeley, California, and it suggests that young people
Speaker 1: who listen to rap and hip hop are more likely
Speaker 1: to abuse alcohol and commit violent acts. Now I should
Speaker 1: mention again this is from two thousand six, and so
Speaker 1: you have to take everything that happened in the early
Speaker 1: adds would get a grain of salt. But then one
Speaker 1: of the key points that they keep harping on are
Speaker 1: these studies that show the increased alcohol consumption related to
Speaker 1: alcohols promoted in the song. So I passed the cavassier
Speaker 1: came out in a bunch of people bought more Cavasier.
Speaker 1: This is they're they're pointing to that, and one of
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear your thoughts on some of that
Speaker 1: correlation before I I jump into what I already have
Speaker 1: have made a bunch of conclusions about in my head.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's one. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: it's like kind of like a nothing burger, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like, yeah, you're saying teenagers what
Speaker 1: like that's happening to be making an arguments. It's like
Speaker 1: the it's like the twenties when white people are listening
Speaker 1: to like jungle music and smoking jazz and like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just like you know, when you're young and impressionable,
Speaker 1: like yeah, if you're a dumbass that you know, like
Speaker 1: you were stupid, we were stupid. They're like motherfucker in
Speaker 1: the song and say like I'm eating them at the
Speaker 1: data is like just it's just like you just are
Speaker 1: and then you like become a person with your own
Speaker 1: you know, You're like, I gotta go to work. I
Speaker 1: can't eat potatoes mashed potatoes all day, like I gotta
Speaker 1: go have a life. And so I don't know, I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, it's like there's a correlation between you know,
Speaker 1: people smoking, weeding and funk at each other and eating
Speaker 1: chips like okay, wow, get this guy Nobel prize. Like right,
Speaker 1: this isn't this isn't as much a study as you
Speaker 1: being annoying about a good time. That's some folks, you know. Well,
Speaker 1: the other thing that popped in my head as I've
Speaker 1: read that is like, okay, so maybe there is an
Speaker 1: increased sailing Cavassier, but you're not telling me there's more
Speaker 1: alcohol being sold overall. So that just means that, like
Speaker 1: I hear pass the Cavassier and instead of buying vodka,
Speaker 1: I buy exactly so the the the sale is still
Speaker 1: the same. It's just I'm making different choices because my
Speaker 1: boy Buster Rhymes introduced me to a new experience that
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have otherwise. Most people, you know, I've been
Speaker 1: a bartender. Okay, people don't have like this broad under
Speaker 1: like people don't know. They just like that looks pretty.
Speaker 1: Give me that, Like it's like beer or wine, or
Speaker 1: even when you say wine, they're not saying give me
Speaker 1: a chateau, you know. They just like people aren't really
Speaker 1: keeping up with Yeah, if you if you hit them with,
Speaker 1: you know, drink that drink that you know. But I remember,
Speaker 1: I do remember also the amount of forties that I
Speaker 1: drank as a teenager. Sure, yeah, because of all the
Speaker 1: forties I saw. And I'm like in the suburbs, you know,
Speaker 1: at like at like you know, Kurt's house, you know
Speaker 1: the finished pace, you know. So, but you're just an idiot.
Speaker 1: You're just impressionable and stupid and like where have you been?
Speaker 1: What have you done? You? You don't know anything about anything.
Speaker 1: You just what the older guys do. It truly feels
Speaker 1: like they are they're trying to make lasting judgments on
Speaker 1: the behaviors of impressionable children, and it's it's not a
Speaker 1: logical progression, and it certainly misses a bunch of steps.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I think additionally is missed
Speaker 1: in all of this is that a study from two
Speaker 1: thousand two actually found that black kids statistically actually drink
Speaker 1: less ALCOHOLO this bike being exposed to sixty six percent
Speaker 1: more ads for beer and ale and eighty one percent
Speaker 1: more ads talk about spirits talk about it. So we
Speaker 1: are literally being force fed almost a hundred percent more
Speaker 1: of the the the advertisements for these things, and simultaneously
Speaker 1: we are we are drinking less than than our white counterparts,
Speaker 1: and that has to mean something, and that's not being
Speaker 1: calculated in them being like, well, Buster Rhymes said a thing,
Speaker 1: and then y'all reacted, Yeah, it's it's listened. Furious Styles
Speaker 1: had it right in poison Hood, Okay when he took
Speaker 1: trade and Ricky okay to that billboard and he said,
Speaker 1: and he was asking those questions, he's asking why is that?
Speaker 1: And I remember I went inside at Moved with a
Speaker 1: group of people and the white guy in my crew
Speaker 1: just like rolled his eyes at that part and the
Speaker 1: rest of us huh right, So it's it's again, it's
Speaker 1: it's through who whose eyes? And again because white supremacy
Speaker 1: is very real, you know, it's it's the basis of
Speaker 1: all these arguments is again always to prove that there's
Speaker 1: something wrong with us. So so you know, whether that
Speaker 1: be paternalistically or otherwise. It's like these people are are immoral,
Speaker 1: they can't take care of themselves, and they'll try, you know,
Speaker 1: So it's like there's also no leeway, right, So again
Speaker 1: it's it's it's also in a weird way. What's so
Speaker 1: frustrating about the Uncle Phils and the Bill Cosby's, Well,
Speaker 1: there's a lot that's frustrating about Bill Cosby, but in
Speaker 1: this one particular thing that's frustrating about Bill Cosby is
Speaker 1: in this context is again this this judging like there's
Speaker 1: no there's no room for us to be just human
Speaker 1: and vulnerable and flawed and like, yeah, we like to
Speaker 1: have a good time and you know, we like to
Speaker 1: party and like everyone enjoys vice. But does that mean
Speaker 1: there's something wrong with us? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: numb wrong. I wanna you just want to have a
Speaker 1: good time like everybody else, you know. And to that
Speaker 1: point that it's also this cherry picking of the things
Speaker 1: that you want to be able to prove about us, right,
Speaker 1: Like nobody's going through Biggie smallst lyrics and being like
Speaker 1: there's been a massive uptick in black people eating cheese,
Speaker 1: eggs and and welch is great, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like it's it's they all we also rap about nonsense
Speaker 1: that nobody is then tracking the relationship with They just
Speaker 1: go alright, this thing is rapping about alcohol, so this
Speaker 1: must be a bad thing, right, Yeah, he's also rapping
Speaker 1: about you know, other things that you know are also
Speaker 1: positive and like you know having you know what I
Speaker 1: mean that that enlighten us and expand our vocabulary. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know about other kinds of music. I know about
Speaker 1: the continent of Africa because that the sonic you know,
Speaker 1: a Angola, Wa Zombie Mozambique, a bos want where's that study? Right,
Speaker 1: there's an uptick in black keys from Detroit knowing countries
Speaker 1: in the continent of Africa thanks to step to Sign,
Speaker 1: these fucking kids are learning geography. We gotta put a
Speaker 1: stop to it. So one of the things that really
Speaker 1: felt like it stood out in a lot of this
Speaker 1: attempt to create a correlation, and I read a few
Speaker 1: articles that that try to play some kind of correlation,
Speaker 1: is that at its core, it feels like the bigger
Speaker 1: risk of the attempt at correlating these things that you're
Speaker 1: you have to do it by ignoring every other factor
Speaker 1: that may have contributed to the way that this community functions.
Speaker 1: Right that, if you're saying increased violence is happening in
Speaker 1: this neighborhood, you're also basically asking rap to be responsible
Speaker 1: for all of the factors that cross caused this increased
Speaker 1: violence while ignoring the systemic oppression that's happening in every
Speaker 1: other way. So that my my school not having enough
Speaker 1: funding has nothing to do with it. It's just the
Speaker 1: goddamn hip hop that made me behave this way all
Speaker 1: my pencils. Yeah, it surely is a wild attempt at
Speaker 1: creating a relationship. And so one of the things that
Speaker 1: I felt and and the circles are us back to
Speaker 1: to the grander conspiracy at hand, right, is that while
Speaker 1: I do think that this meeting probably did happen, I
Speaker 1: don't think it was thirty people, if I'm being honest.
Speaker 1: I think it was probably like five to two six people.
Speaker 1: And I think there were multiple meetings that took place.
Speaker 1: I think they went like sort of like group to group,
Speaker 1: person to person, and they only needed like one or
Speaker 1: two to buy into it each time to really like
Speaker 1: get their bigger plan going. That said, I don't think
Speaker 1: that this meeting is like the end all of everything
Speaker 1: that's happening, And this was just a small play in
Speaker 1: a much grand and her effort to like destroy black
Speaker 1: and brown communia, you know what I mean, Like they
Speaker 1: did this and then they went and met about fracking.
Speaker 1: They don't they're not worried that much about us that
Speaker 1: this was like the the final chess move on our futures. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what what you check to check the wrap? The gangst
Speaker 1: wrap stocks again. I mean that's also like a very
Speaker 1: speci I'm not wondering if you were at some if
Speaker 1: you if you're not telling me, because that's very specific.
Speaker 1: It's just like I feel like they got into Afford
Speaker 1: expedition that was blue. They started our c A and
Speaker 1: then they went to capital and they had little waters
Speaker 1: in the back, some of the fruity mens, some of
Speaker 1: the regular mins. I took the fruity but I don't
Speaker 1: mean me. I mean someone else that we can make
Speaker 1: royal good guy. Uh, that's that's you're probably not wrong.
Speaker 1: I'll buy that. But now you're making me wonder not
Speaker 1: don't know if you've done this study? Is like was
Speaker 1: there statistically right? Like if if we look at to
Speaker 1: let's say two thousand one or two thousand eleven, was
Speaker 1: there an uptake? Did anything happen and wasn't due to rap?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure it was just because that's just
Speaker 1: what they do. But yeah, was is there any if
Speaker 1: this did happen? Like, did it work? Did some people say?
Speaker 1: Because I know there was more games rap? But but
Speaker 1: was it because of this meeting? Was it because? I
Speaker 1: mean I definitely think more people were being put in prison?
Speaker 1: But we could also point to the what was the
Speaker 1: jail Biden and Hillary Clinton? Yeah, the the jail law
Speaker 1: thing that they are bill that they put together, like
Speaker 1: I think there's a bunch of other crime bill excuse me.
Speaker 1: And that was like was early nineties for sure. And
Speaker 1: it's like maybe at that meeting, I think they I
Speaker 1: think we watched the meeting live on television and we
Speaker 1: were all like, man, there must be a secret meeting
Speaker 1: happening somewhere because we're fucking idiots, and I think there's
Speaker 1: a secret meeting where they're really doing stuff. It's like, na, bro,
Speaker 1: they really o played this ship in front of you
Speaker 1: and they don't give a fuck. Yeah, the only secret
Speaker 1: was the deodorant that that Hillary Cook was worst, like
Speaker 1: she said front all your very true. Yeah, but that
Speaker 1: was early in C span. You know, that was early
Speaker 1: c span two, you know what I mean? That wasn't
Speaker 1: that was C Span one and a half. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like the Family ties like it was a little key
Speaker 1: like we got the internet now so we can go back.
Speaker 1: But like that wasn't prime time. That wasn't. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it wasn't. It wasn't very popular, but it was effective.
Speaker 1: And uh they've apologized for it since you can't be Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you know, there was a lot of drafts of that,
Speaker 1: like meaning like we didn't know what we were doing.
Speaker 1: It's like family. You saw a lot of draft that. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that's and that's the part that I think is is
Speaker 1: buggy about all of these things, right, is that I
Speaker 1: don't and I've talked about this before in the podcast.
Speaker 1: I don't think that we as black people often give
Speaker 1: ourselves enough credit or give rather, we give white people
Speaker 1: too much credit for how intelligent their sinister moves are.
Speaker 1: I think sometimes we make them into fucking these mad
Speaker 1: scientists who are able to like plot eighteen moves ahead,
Speaker 1: and instead I think that they are car salesmen, these
Speaker 1: these powerful people are truly used car salesmen who are
Speaker 1: who are just trying to get an idea over on people.
Speaker 1: And if it works, they celebrate, and if it doesn't,
Speaker 1: they tuck their tails and they apologize a decade two
Speaker 1: decades later and yeah they're about yeah exactly, and we
Speaker 1: it's not lizard people. It truly is people with pet lizards,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it's it's a different vine.
Speaker 1: It's still got bars, still got bars. We're gonna take
Speaker 1: one more break. We'll be back with morradres good when
Speaker 1: and more, my mama told me, and we are that
Speaker 1: ain't nobody got time for it. Yeah, we're back here
Speaker 1: with Morra Drew is good. When more my mama told me.
Speaker 1: We're still talking about the possibility that there was this
Speaker 1: secret meeting that forced gangster wrap down our throats and
Speaker 1: now we can't live without it. And they're all our
Speaker 1: daddies and brothers and cousins are in prison because of it.
Speaker 1: Damn you give me my daddy back. Sorry, little homie. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I just well, that isn't. One of the questions that
Speaker 1: I have for you is do you think that the
Speaker 1: artist at some point became aware of any of this,
Speaker 1: because that's another part of it that I think often
Speaker 1: goes overlooked, is like Ice Cubes a learned man. He's
Speaker 1: got a goddamn master's degree. Do you think at any
Speaker 1: point he went, oh, ship, I'm not I'm a part
Speaker 1: of this. I'm helping. And then he was like, fuck it,
Speaker 1: I'm in this too far? Is he like? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Where where the art I can't do?
Speaker 1: Ask him? I could him, I can't do. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: a c What do you think about this question? You? Um,
Speaker 1: you know artists? Of course we're not. And of course
Speaker 1: who would do that? Who would ask? Who would be like, hey,
Speaker 1: I thought you want these guys here. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: to me, it's not that of inviting mc wren. We
Speaker 1: watched little Wayne hug Donald Trump in a way that
Speaker 1: we haven't seen little Wayne hug a man, and and
Speaker 1: since he kissed baby on the mouth, so a part
Speaker 1: of me feels like, maybe there are there's a level
Speaker 1: of concession you make if there's enough dollar dollar bills, y'all.
Speaker 1: On the end of this, I think little Wayne is
Speaker 1: also intentionally trolling us, though okay, I think he's trolling
Speaker 1: us and and that's how I feel about Yea as well,
Speaker 1: like that I don't like, I don't I have a
Speaker 1: whole thing. So there's this like epic like the last
Speaker 1: player I write, sort of my career ending my irishman
Speaker 1: is I'm gonna do this epic freaking play about like
Speaker 1: self hate, like just that about like Candas Owens and
Speaker 1: and and easy E at the Republican dinner and Little
Speaker 1: Wayne and Yea and like because I'm trying to understand
Speaker 1: them because I don't believe them. Yeah, it's weird, but
Speaker 1: I but is that also me being racist? Like is
Speaker 1: that also me being narrow in a way not racist?
Speaker 1: But is that me putting them doing the thing they're saying,
Speaker 1: like don't put me in a box, I don't have
Speaker 1: to vote Democrat, right, and me being like, come on here,
Speaker 1: laying you know, trying to be different. Yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 1: you're like, you know, you know better, You're just trying
Speaker 1: to prove something instead of like they truly aren't in
Speaker 1: the box and they they are functioning in the space
Speaker 1: where they believe what they're saying is right. That's right,
Speaker 1: But I don't believe you. You're not bought into it
Speaker 1: at all at all. I don't. I just don't. I
Speaker 1: don't buy it anyway. Sorry, I don't mean to turn
Speaker 1: the show into like you drink somebody's working on. But no,
Speaker 1: I I actually think that this is better than the
Speaker 1: stupid stuff I come up with. Please, I want the questions.
Speaker 1: Don't know, I'm thinking it's all over the place. I'm
Speaker 1: just like happy to talk to another black adult anyway. No,
Speaker 1: this is fun. I this is the part of the
Speaker 1: episode where we always play a game and games. It's
Speaker 1: a fun game. It's a game called white Lies. Ugly,
Speaker 1: You're disgusting. I'm gonna kill you. Give me two white lies.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a beautiful game where you drinks. I'm
Speaker 1: going to introduce to you a a widely held conspiracy
Speaker 1: theory in the white community, and what I would love
Speaker 1: for you to do is just break down why you
Speaker 1: think white people are so committed to this conspiracy theory?
Speaker 1: Got it cool? This one's interesting. This is a fun
Speaker 1: one that I I had heard pieces of in the past,
Speaker 1: but had not heard sort of like all compiled in
Speaker 1: this way before. But apparently there are some people who
Speaker 1: believe that Britney Spears recently freed from her from her
Speaker 1: prison if Britney Spears is a part of a government
Speaker 1: cover up, actually a series of government cover ups. They
Speaker 1: believe that Britney Spears over the years during the mid
Speaker 1: odds was sort of responsible for taking some els on
Speaker 1: the chin as a way of covering up specific meltdowns
Speaker 1: and issues within the Bush admin administration. So Britney Spears
Speaker 1: apparently in Dorst and you can see this in Fahrenheit
Speaker 1: nine eleven. Britney Spears endorsed Bush in the early two
Speaker 1: thousand's and then a few things happened. So in two
Speaker 1: thousand four, weeks before the United States versus Libby trial,
Speaker 1: the Bush administration basically was going to be embarrassed in
Speaker 1: this trial. Instead, Britney Spears married someone and quickly annulled
Speaker 1: that marriage fifty five hours later in two thousand six.
Speaker 1: There are some people who think that when Brittany was
Speaker 1: photographed driving with her baby on her lap and soon
Speaker 1: was to divorce Kevin Federline, that was a cover up
Speaker 1: for Bush dumping rock down a Rumsfeld. And then there
Speaker 1: are some people who believe that her tirade when she
Speaker 1: shaved her head and was running around with the umbrella
Speaker 1: was a cover up for the out for al Qaeda
Speaker 1: regaining power in Afghanistan, that all of these were orchestrated
Speaker 1: by the Bush administration to keep Brittany as a distraction
Speaker 1: from the bigger play at hand. My question again at Rees,
Speaker 1: is why do you think white people are so committed
Speaker 1: to this conspiracy theory? Well, because wait for love Bush
Speaker 1: and they love Britney Spears, and so if there's a
Speaker 1: world those two, it's like fan fiction and it's like
Speaker 1: it's like but they're together, Like it's two things I love,
Speaker 1: but like together. You know. It's like putting like a
Speaker 1: Friday on a burger. It's like you would, yeah, but
Speaker 1: it can happen. No, but actually people do put Friday's
Speaker 1: on burger. So this is this is even probably even
Speaker 1: more what I could do. It's like putting like you know,
Speaker 1: like Terreso on a chocolate cake or something like that happen.
Speaker 1: It's like when Scooby Doo when the Harlem blow Trotters
Speaker 1: linked up, and you're like, I didn't know I like this.
Speaker 1: They're not even the same universe, but like so yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's what it is. It's fun. It's like fun,
Speaker 1: it's fun to do that like that's that's like because
Speaker 1: you know, it's why I was like, I don't know
Speaker 1: anything about like I don't like Britney's free. I'm like,
Speaker 1: where did she go? What happened to her? Like free? What?
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, you know, that's just stuff they
Speaker 1: be following. So, yeah, that is my theory about why
Speaker 1: they want to believe that. It's because I want to
Speaker 1: they want those two you know. Yeah, It's it's funny
Speaker 1: you say that because so Brittany Is has been freed
Speaker 1: from her conservatorship, which was, you know, her father basically
Speaker 1: had like cooked it up to to sell her as
Speaker 1: crazy or or mentally unstable in the courts so that
Speaker 1: he could be responsible for all of her money. And
Speaker 1: in freedom, she wasn't allowed to drive herself places, she
Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to access her own bank accounts. Her dad
Speaker 1: and family members were basically in charge of all of that,
Speaker 1: and it took a couple of years a long time
Speaker 1: for her to basically get like, uh, some level of
Speaker 1: like freedom from all of those things. Right, And after
Speaker 1: saying that Bush that happened with Bush too? Is that
Speaker 1: he I'm saying, now now you're getting into some ship
Speaker 1: that I'm fascinated about because when did that conservatorship kick in.
Speaker 1: It might have been right after Bush left office. They
Speaker 1: got the same daddy. Oh. He was like, I don't
Speaker 1: need this bitch anymore. Tire her up, put put her
Speaker 1: bank accounts on hold. I don't need her running her
Speaker 1: mouth or anything. Now you're doing You're doing the dirty work.
Speaker 1: I was about to get messy, but now you did it.
Speaker 1: You nailed it. I'm here from here to help me.
Speaker 1: This was this was great. This is a fun episode Therese.
Speaker 1: Could you tell the people at home where they can
Speaker 1: find you what cool ship you have going on? Oh? Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: So you know, I I uh, I'm always doing something.
Speaker 1: My mim is up to something I love. I love. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm embracing this this digital virtual moment where
Speaker 1: and trying to figure out, you know, howard writer for
Speaker 1: the live stage, can you know, translate into into all
Speaker 1: these other platforms you know? Uh, So I'm always doing
Speaker 1: all sypes of types of stuff. But yeah, I'm on
Speaker 1: all the socials, just Eadri Scool, Windri scool dot Com,
Speaker 1: Addie Drew Skoo, when Nadie Drink. I'm on all the
Speaker 1: twitters and everything and so uh you know, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I've written sixty over sixty plays. They do them all
Speaker 1: over the place. Some of them are streamable, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, man, come out here, you know, hang beautiful
Speaker 1: and so following Dre's go see a play stream one.
Speaker 1: If you ain't trying to leave the house, you got
Speaker 1: leave out stream that bad boy, And uh as always,
Speaker 1: you can follow me at lanksteint Kerman on all of
Speaker 1: those social media platforms as well. And if you if
Speaker 1: you subscribe, if you follow the podcast, write a review,
Speaker 1: I'll kiss you. I'll kiss you dead on your mouth.
Speaker 1: That's how I get down. And uh as always, you
Speaker 1: can send any conspiracy theories you have to my mama
Speaker 1: pod at gmail dot com. We would love to hear
Speaker 1: from you. Otherwise that's it, by bitch. Are Kuala Bears
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