WEBVTT - N*ggas With Hope (with Idris Goodwin) 0:00:02.120 --> 0:00:04.720 That is like a song right there, like dogs and 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:09.360 belly tips. If I decided to wrap, that's gonna be 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:12.119 my single. Oh yeah, it's over. But actually I was 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:13.760 hearing it more like a kind of like a lin 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:17.520 Manuel Miranda, like Broadway kind of number. Like I was 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:22.560 just coming all differently, like this is this has a 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:25.120 lesson on the back end of it. I think, Son, 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:27.560 it's like you. And so next time you think about 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:39.280 judging somebody, this dog wears belly tips, My crop chips 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:57.560 yours were racist? Who money? Actual stuff? I can't tell me. Yep, yep, yep, 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:00.840 there it is. There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:05.120 to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me, the 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:08.760 podcast where we died deep, deep into the pockets of 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:12.400 black conspiracy theories and we finally worked to prove that 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:15.720 Soldier Boy had to wear those giant bathing a clothes 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:20.320 in his videos, apparently because of that giant penis he's 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:23.560 been lugging around all these years. We thought the man 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:27.520 was on cocaine, but nope, it's just the behavior of 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:30.880 a man whose penis is half the size of his leg. Also, 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:35.320 he's on cocaine. The these are the rumors, the facts. 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:39.119 I'd say that I'm spreading. I'm your host, Lankston Kerman, 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:42.840 coming in uh foolishly as always. I don't think I've 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:45.679 ever come in in a way that it's respectable or 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:48.760 or would make my mother proud. And yet I still 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:51.680 use her for all of the branding of this podcast. 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:56.440 I've attached her face to the logo without her constant 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:59.720 and I planned to keep it that way despite any 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:02.520 for strations that may cause in her personal life. I 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:06.800 am excited today because my guest, he is not a 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:10.680 foolish man like myself. He is He is a person 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:15.320 who who I would credit as one of my earliest 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:19.320 inspirations as an artist. We we met years and years ago, 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:23.200 back when I was a budding poet in Chicago. He 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:26.239 was one of my first teachers. He is a performer, 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:28.600 he's a poet, he's a playwright. He does all the 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:32.240 ship and he he inspired me very early on, and 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:35.720 he continues to inspire so many And he has a play. 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:38.440 One of his his plays, How We Got On, is 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:43.240 actually premiering at the Sacred Sacred Fools Theater Company in 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:48.160 l a And it's January February nineteen two, So you 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:50.800 motherfucker's better go see it. He's he's a dear friend. 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:53.040 He is so talented. Please give it up from my guest, 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:59.160 Mr Hedrids good Way Man, what a natural. I feel 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:01.919 like I feel like you should invoice me for that 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:04.640 was incredible. Well not only was the Let's just back 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:07.880 it up, like so I am, I am. I'm just 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:11.440 obsessed with Soldier Boy in general, just like this generation. 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.000 I mean, you know I was, you know I was. 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:16.560 I'm an old head, so like what Soldier was was 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:19.280 Superman in the house or whatever. Like I was, I 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:24.720 was at my arms crossing only with mess brother. But 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:27.560 now he's kind of starting to enter like grumpy old 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:29.840 black man territory. And now I'm like, I get this, brother. 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:35.080 He one is grumpy old black man territory. He just 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:38.800 is continuing to to do it in young people's spaces, 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:42.840 and so we won't flag it as grumpy old black 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:45.640 man ship. But it's it's That's all it is is 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:50.480 being like I did that first. I did like Drake, 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:54.120 I was like you could hear a million black man 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:59.200 over an aet s up and go yeah, yeah, that's right. 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:05.680 Isn't that good? That's d no, you know he like 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:10.400 shot somebody Soldier Boy? Yeah bro, yeah no you. One 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:13.080 of my favorite YouTube videos of all time is his 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:18.480 recounting of the shootings that transpired. People like who tried 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:21.279 to break into his house or something? Yeah, him, him 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:24.719 describing the bullets flying past him like the matrix was 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:30.479 surely groundbreaking theater, it was written a play about it 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:36.720 is mind bloom. Yeah, what would like Hollywood stopped sleeping 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:41.080 on Soldier Boy, Like give this guy platform. They got 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:43.720 to take him seriously at stand point, you gotta get 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:47.200 him on your show. I would love that more than anything. 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:49.640 I would love it. I don't know that we would 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:54.120 be able to make it an entire hour, you know 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:56.120 what I mean. It's like one of those things where 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:58.320 you're like, funk, I would love to talk to Soldier Boy, 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:00.840 and then you talked to him for fifteen minute You're like, funk, 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:04.760 why didn't I talk to Soldier Boy? That would have 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:06.880 like more parts than trapped in the closet. It would 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:11.800 be like are oh my gosh, Anyway, that's longer than 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:14.719 I think I expect to talk about Soldier Boy today. Well, 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:18.040 we have a lot of nonsense to talk about. But 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:21.800 but the soldier boy. Thing is not a terrible segue 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:25.279 into the conspiracy theory that you sent our way, and 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:28.520 it is not a nonsense conspiracy theory. It's actually a 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:32.880 pretty haunting one if true. You said, my mama told 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:38.320 me there was a secret meeting between prison industrialists and 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:41.920 members of the recording industry to encourage the sell against 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:49.720 the wrap. Yeah. More, it's just all right. So I 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:53.080 consider this like the sort of hip hop generation Willie 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:57.839 Lynch papers, because there's like, remember, we all remember where 0:05:57.839 --> 0:05:59.960 we were when we first read the Willie Lynch let 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:01.880 and then then and then when we found out it 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:04.720 might not be true, it was like staggering, but then 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:06.559 you're like, oh, they don't want you to know it's true, 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:10.599 you know. And so similarly, this is like the hip 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:14.200 hop generation, you know, just because there's truth in it, 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:18.200 it's not hard to it's not hard to to to 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:21.040 to fathom at all. And even if it's not true, 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:23.680 it's kind of still true, like you know, mean something 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:26.320 variation of that, like it happened on the spin in 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:28.839 the on the on the spiritual level of like the 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:31.760 collective consciousness level, like they were talking. They may not 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:34.200 have been talking to each other, but they's talking to 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:38.040 each other. Yeah, yeah, I you know what, that's how 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:42.120 they get It's it truly is I think you're absolutely 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.839 correct that it It truly is one of those things 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:47.840 where it's like, I don't know that we've ever it's 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:50.200 it's something that's been in the lexicon, the hip hop 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:54.840 sort of like a stratosphere for forever, but it isn't 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:57.480 necessarily something anybody has ever been able to pin down 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:01.040 and say for sure, it happened on this state this 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:06.119 time with these parties. But you can kind of see 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:10.280 the product of everything that people have been theorizing for years, 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.760 and it's not it's not so far fetched that you 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:18.240 think this is impossible, this cannot have happened. Yeah, no, 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:20.480 it's it's I mean because when you think about the 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:24.440 amount of people who are not at all anyway related 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:26.800 what shape or form to the world of the streets, 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:31.239 you know, and how many millions of dollars they've made 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:33.120 like off of it, you know what I mean, it's 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:35.400 like and it was a concern. It was like a 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:38.760 notice noticeable shift where it's like I remember, it went 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:41.440 from like hey, there's kidding playing, there's the Beast Boys 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:43.760 and you know, there's in w A and then suddenly 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:46.520 it was just like everybody had a mac Elevin or 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:50.680 was named Maclevin or you know so but then something. 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:54.000 But you could argue, what, that's just commerce, you know, 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:57.280 like everybody there's waves and there's but it hasn't really 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:02.160 dropped off, like we're still out here so predominant. Like 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:07.120 you know, even the Kanye backpack years were sort of 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:11.840 sandwiched with like a different It was more of a 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:14.160 shift in the way that we talked about, like, uh, 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:18.120 I guess criminality. It wasn't like gangster rap as much. 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:20.960 It became like hustle wrap. But hustle wrap still was 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:24.040 like I'll murder your grandma, but i'll murder your grandma 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:26.680 was styled I'm not like kicking in the door, you know, 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:29.880 I'll send a guy in the murder your ground. Yeah, 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:35.080 he speaking on the track. He won't be out long, 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:38.679 but he's gonna wrap real quick, and he's he'll be 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:41.840 here in a minute. There he is. Yeah. Man, So 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:43.600 I so I don't know, I'm dying to know, but 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:45.880 I've I've when when the prop came, I mean there's 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:49.520 so many so like I walk around, Yeah, these theories 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:53.040 all day. So first of all, I also didn't I 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:55.559 was like, how did I not know that you have 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:57.440 this show? Or be like you know what I mean? 0:08:57.520 --> 0:08:59.280 Like I was like, first of all, it was a 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:01.360 conspiracy that I didn't know that you had to show. 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:03.400 I was like, first of all, they know they're trying 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:05.760 to you know. And then I and then I listened 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:07.840 to a few episodes and I was just like, yeah, yeah, 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:10.360 I don't I don't see what's I don't see what 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:14.200 the conspiracy theories that this is all that is, This 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:17.120 all feels on the notes. To me, that is one 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:20.440 of the more interesting journeys. And all of this is 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:22.920 like a lot of times what it is as a 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:25.680 black person being like this is something my mama saying, 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:28.240 and we just have to like pretend like it's not facts. 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:30.520 We have to like go down a train where it's 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:34.080 like who your mama wild? When she theorized that the 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:38.800 government had bad intentions for black people? Why did she 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:42.080 come up with this stuff? Wow? Look a here, I 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:45.920 just found it the article. But no, anyway, so I'm 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:47.760 all over the place. But yeah, man, so I just 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:52.320 but I remember it was what I first encountered it well, 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:54.959 that's what I was gonna ask you, what do you 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:59.040 remember the sort of like time period where you first 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:02.480 started to say he year that this secret meeting had 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:05.400 had taken place, So this was earlier. I remember, this 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:08.080 was very early on and like this it's post friends 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:11.480 Sterre for sure. It might have been early Facebook. So 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:15.920 somewhere between my Space and Facebook just started in the earth. 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:18.320 So this and this is like pre this is like 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:23.720 when conspiracy theory started creeping into good natured social media, 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:27.280 you know. So I wasn't as like and going somewhere 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:29.480 with that bullshit, you know, Like I was just like 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:31.800 because again, like I said that, it's like it's not 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:34.680 so far fetched, and you know you heard it in 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:37.640 the music, like in the Dead Press era Caress One. 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.079 I mean, they're always something like hip hop police, and 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:42.079 you know, and there's always been that tension ever since 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:45.280 uh ice Cube tour into Jerry Heller, you know, and 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:48.679 like sort lifted the veil back on the sort of 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:52.720 racial dynamic of the record company owner and the and 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:55.520 the rapper you know, and like who's really who's really 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:59.679 the who's yeah, and uh so this this just this 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:04.120 was just like fulfilling all of the the fantasy, you know, 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:06.880 just like what you imagine happens behind those closed doors, 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:12.160 Right yeah. I always think about conspiracy theories as sort 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:15.160 of like, uh, you know, I don't believe that marijuana 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:17.280 is any version of a gateway drug, but I do 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:20.520 think the conspiracy theory kind of is that, like it 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:25.160 truly only takes one to to really crack you open 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:28.520 enough that you go, well, if that's true, A lot 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.520 of these other things potentially could be true, or it 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:34.040 might lead me at least to consider them in a 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:36.160 way that I might not have considered them before. And 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:40.080 I think in that way, this one probably for a 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:42.320 lot of people. And and maybe like to your point, 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:44.560 the ice cube of it all or whatever it is, 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:48.080 there are these small moments in hip hop where you go, hey, 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:50.720 that's fucked up, you know what I mean, Like, that's 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:52.960 not how you're supposed to treat people. And then you 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:55.920 go you then you you're on my Space one day 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:59.720 and you read this this supposed letter and you're like, whoa, 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:04.079 if this is if that okay, now everything's real and 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:06.880 and this is all a grand conspiracy theory. But you 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:08.800 just remind me there is another level to it too, 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:12.800 which is the guilt factor in hip hop, right, especially 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:15.280 if you're like a person of color and black person especially, 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:18.320 you love hip hop because you love you you know, 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:22.360 you love all the shades and colors to it. And 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:24.600 then and then you know and you love Spice one 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.800 and you love confidence once one it and you love 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:32.800 you know, you loved fifty right, and then you read 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:35.000 this and you suddenly you feel like a little guilty. 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:37.400 So in a way, it almost feels like did see 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:41.520 the Lors Tucker and the black conservatives cooked this up 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:43.439 to be? Like so you're just playing into the white 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:47.160 man play? Is it? Is? It? Is? It? Like crazy 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:50.280 Cosby kind of like you know, you you guys got 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:52.520 pulled pants kind of because you're just playing right into 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:56.920 the devil. It's like when you remember when you were 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.520 like in in a high school, like in a school 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:03.280 like mostly white school, and then with the black like 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:07.719 administrator or assistant principal or teacher or whatever, and you 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:09.760 be cutting up and then they see you and they 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.199 like single you out and be like, yeah, they're they're 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:15.240 doing that. We had we have higher standards for you, 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:19.440 brother bulls. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's just like I see yeah, yeah, 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:21.720 just not a gag. But you can't. You can't do 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:23.840 it like that. You know, you know they don't respect you. Right, 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:28.160 So now I wonder is this was this actually was 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:33.080 the story actually cooked up by conservative black folks? WHOA, 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:35.839 I don't that's heavy. I don't know. I don't want 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:42.160 to believe I do. Wait a minute, that's I think 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:46.800 that's a legit question to be asking, is is who 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:51.520 is the the creator the source of this material, because 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:54.840 like you said, nobody's ever been able to pin down 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:58.199 the participants here. That's what's always sort of been this 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:02.679 like nebulous group of like powerful people much it's a 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:07.080 it's an illuminati, just a taste of music illuminati that 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:09.640 sort of like came up with this idea. And to 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.520 your point, maybe this is just a bunch of conservative 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:14.760 black folks who were mad at bone thugs being like, 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:17.000 I know how we can get them. I know, I 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:23.560 know the plan. We're not against rap, against wrappers, but 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:29.600 we are against those thugs anyway. So I don't know. 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:31.000 I don't want to believe it. But you know, to 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:32.720 your point that like you know, that's crazy, Like when 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:34.520 you you said that, you're like, we don't know who 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:37.240 was at that, Like, what would you do if you 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:40.360 were just Rando at a party? Right? Yeah, if you 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:42.640 were just like at a dinner party or something and 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:44.480 somebody was like, hey, you know what was that that meaning? 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:46.440 Like what would you get in that moment? What would 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:48.200 you take a picture with? Dude? Would you punch him? 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:51.800 Would you ask questions? I know for sure I would 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:55.040 not punch them. I would be so curious. There's nothing 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:58.280 in me that like like granted, they clearly are like 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.200 if if in fact they are real person who really 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:04.160 was a part of this meeting. They are arguably as 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:08.480 damaging to the black community as drugs, as Ronald Reagan, 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:10.520 as a lot of things that have sort of like 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:13.600 come to be. But I think my curiosity would far 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:16.680 outweigh my need to like punch him in the face 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:19.200 and then get murdered in my hotel for him later 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:22.240 that night. There's no way you survived this year, you 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:24.000 know what I mean? But you would you be a 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:26.880 legend though, You'd be a legend for sure. And they'd 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.600 also like pretend like you were on drugs when you 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:31.880 punched them, and there was you know what I mean, 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:34.480 they paint a different story. They wouldn't be like a 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:36.480 he out here trying to save hip hop. They'd be like, 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:40.000 you know, yeah, they'd be like, this goddamn cracking punched 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:46.520 one of our great white Americans. What do you think 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:49.760 you would do? Would you? Would you? Would you ask questions? 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:52.520 Are you punching? What are you thinking? Oh? I wouldn't. 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:54.680 I would not punching me that I have too many questions. 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:56.840 At first, I wanted to prove it. I'd like, I'd 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:59.000 like be, but I'd be like trying to get info. 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:00.880 I'd be trying to get into So I do the 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:04.320 old hand in the pocket press the recorder thing that 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:06.560 happens in movies that never happens in real life because 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.760 I know they always do, and then they do like 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:12.320 the shot of the hand in the pocket, you know, 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:14.800 and then I get, I get i'd record, and then 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:16.480 I'd be like you weren't there? You are? And if 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:17.880 you was there? And who else was that? You know? 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:19.480 I do that whole day, and then I get the 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.800 hole right now to all the names, and and then 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:27.120 like kill bill, like just just going first and a 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:30.520 person with a sword and a jumpsuit chopping them up. 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:33.240 But okay, but even more okay, So this is really 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:36.640 fun though. So so, first of all, there was it 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.360 was this was this black folks who like came up. 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:42.120 Was like, which is very possible? Could this have been 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:45.560 conservative black people who who sort of like hid behind 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:49.320 this ominous white group. It just was like once upon 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:51.320 a time, because you know, black fook, we love parables, 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:55.040 We love like parables and like that's how we that's 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:56.520 how we school the next year, or you know, we 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:59.840 love parables and mows. So so is it like a 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:02.280 terrible that's one we'll just put that over here. But 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:04.359 if it did actually happen, here's what I want to 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:07.200 know the record exact part I get because they're like 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:09.120 because they love it, because a gangster rap is fun. 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:11.199 It's not hard. It's not like, please do more of this. 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:13.639 You're like, okay, I was gonna do it anyway, right, Yeah, 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.280 when do I really want to do another X Clan album? Like, 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:20.919 let's be honest, right, And to that point, it's but 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:24.719 you know they're not listening. Dog, It's fine, you can 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:34.520 shoot what Professor X like, oh super with the key 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:39.200 another fine episode. My mama told me. It does make 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:43.040 me think though, to that point, it's not as if 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:49.040 people are saying that this this secret meeting conceived gangster rap. Right, 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:52.239 They're not saying like y'all sat down, y'all thought of 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:56.080 this ship, you pitched it to the original murder rapper, 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:59.600 who then made it popular. They just saw a trend 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:03.000 in then we're like, yo, make that trend pop as 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:05.639 opposed to this other trends that were heading in a 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:08.280 different direction. But because crime pays, And that's what I'm 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:12.400 wondering as I'm wondering a if this did happen, mm hmm, 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:16.800 how did the who made that connect? Like, was this 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:19.280 like an A and R whose daddy like ran a prison? 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:21.960 Was it just like a warden who just like loved 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.200 gangster rap and was just like or just was like 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:28.320 one day having his coffee in the yard and so like, guys, 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.240 you know what I mean, Like we're citing gangster Rap 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:34.280 at the bench and was just like, you know, that's 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:37.440 the idea. Yeah, that's the dravertization. I want to see. 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:39.560 I want to see that little reenactment with the show. 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:44.399 Can y'all do like a little animated I'd love to 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:51.280 financially No, but I will say that there is something 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:54.760 really interesting about what you're saying because at its core, 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:58.280 what you're suggesting at least is that the person who 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:02.000 did this might have been a fan of gangster rap, 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:05.080 that they are not. They're not coming from a position 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:07.800 of of hatred, which I think is how it's always 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:11.840 been positive to me, and sort of like, uh, I've 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:15.760 always understood it's like, oh, this person hates black people 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:18.040 and hates gangster rap, and they wanted to find a 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:22.280 way to to both hurt us but also increase value 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:25.159 for themselves. And instead you're saying like now, they were 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:27.240 listening to this ship and they were like, play more 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:33.080 and kill these niggers. If we can do both, everybody wins. Yeah, 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:36.240 let's get paid. But listen, it's more people in here. 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:39.800 They're having a great time in the yard. You know. Yeah, 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:42.000 that's the more complicated you see. People don't want to 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:43.960 look at it that way, like said, everybody wants it 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:47.520 to be you know, you know, but what it's all 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:51.240 cutting dry, hurting hate, and it ain't. It ain't always 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:54.000 that simple. And who was the Yeah, to go back 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:56.640 to something you had said, yeah, who was the leak? 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:59.480 Like who was the leaker? Was there just like somebody 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:01.800 undercover for you know? It was like in the room 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:04.080 and like it's conscious or her conscious got to her 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:06.480 and she was like, I gotta tell the world, like 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:08.639 who was the whistle bar? Was that like just an 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:11.080 administrative assistant who was just supposed to be taking minutes? 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:16.920 You know? She like filed it poorly and secretly dating 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:23.600 stuff the shocker or something silk stuttered it out somewhere 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:32.000 out at the bar. Well, so here's my question for you, 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:36.720 because in the my space post front store early MySpace 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:41.520 Facebook era, you read this about the supposed secret meeting. 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:44.680 Are you immediately I know you're saying like you're usually 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:47.959 not like super conspiratorial, but here you are, and you're like, 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:52.040 this isn't that far of a stretch? Are you then 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:56.240 taking this to your peers? Are you then like gather around, gents, 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:58.920 I got some some ship that I want to tell 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:00.800 you about. Are you sort of I'm gonna sit on 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:03.359 this and let see how much it it sort of 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:07.120 gains in town. It definitely got like shared around may 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:09.159 or may not have shared it my damn self, but 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:11.600 like definitely, yes, it was a thing. It was hot 0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:14.119 for like a little minute, it didn't stay Yeah, and 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:16.160 then it's one of those things too, were you here, 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:18.240 and you're like, oh damn. Like Willie Lynch Letter, You're like, 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:20.560 oh damn. And then and then like some time goes 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:21.880 by and you don't see it, and then it comes 0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:24.640 up again and you're like yeah. And then and then 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:26.640 some time goes by, and then you're like it's it's 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:28.960 being discredited as like a myth, and you're like, yeah, 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:31.440 I kind of knew it was bullshit, right. And then 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:33.200 and then some years ago back it comes up again. 0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:37.720 You're like, oh, this ship again, right, Like who cares? Like, yeah, 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:40.520 it probably did happen, who knows? Who cares? Like, you 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:43.800 know what is it is sort of like the the 0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:47.040 the challenge of or not even the challenge, but these 0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:50.479 sort of like, uh, the excitement of youth right at 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:52.280 the end of the day. So much of the things 0:21:52.280 --> 0:21:55.280 that I'm passionate about are really more the result of 0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:58.160 me being young and having the energy to be passionate 0:21:58.200 --> 0:22:02.359 about them. And now, even when I see awful things 0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:05.800 that are sort of happening in the world around my community, 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:09.400 there's a part of me that's too bored and exhausted 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:12.480 with with all of it to even do something about it. 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:16.120 I'm just like Yeah, no, you're right. They probably should 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:20.679 have figured out these COVID tests, but we are. So 0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:22.720 you know what it is when when you're you know, 0:22:22.720 --> 0:22:24.560