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Speaker 1: Soldier Boy had to wear those giant bathing a clothes

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Speaker 1: find out that all of this is true, what are

426
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Speaker 1: you going to see that and then opt out of

427
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 1: listening to all of these artists that help promote gangster

428
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 1: are not going to And then and then you start

429
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,479
Speaker 1: getting in the gradients where you're like, what the locks

430
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,959
Speaker 1: is Like they lyrical, but they're like street though, so

431
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:52,159
Speaker 1: they're not like, you know, the murders got metaphors and

432
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 1: we can rock with them. You're like, well that's a

433
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 1: classic though, I mean right, like, and that's the thing

434
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: about this conspiracy is that like it wouldn't have been

435
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: a thing if it wasn't a thing. So the people

436
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 1: it's not like they were like, oh we gotta like

437
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: the later hose in the industry didn't go in the

438
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: according and go and say we need some more this

439
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 1: poker shit, you know, because it's hot, Like it's like

440
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 1: it was already hot, right, No, it's it's you know

441
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: you know what it is. It's high fruit, toast, corn syrup.

442
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, we're fucking addicted to sugar.

443
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 1: Whether they push it on us or they don't, they

444
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: just happened to find a concentrated way to push it

445
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: on us. And is that right? Absolutely not. But does

446
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 1: that then make us some sort of like different group

447
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 1: of people who may have been able to like never

448
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 1: get diabetes and avoid all of this ship Probably not

449
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: should taste too good, you know what I mean, we

450
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 1: would have just sucked the corn squeeze. Yeah, yeah, Now

451
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: these are facts, man, these are facts. I feel like

452
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 1: we just we just we turned this into like a

453
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: very it's all futile kind of thing. I feel like, yeah, no,

454
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: it's a little nihilist. We're not we're not. Uh, we're

455
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: not giving the listeners hope yet. But maybe there's hope

456
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: on the other end of this. Maybe there's something we

457
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 1: can we can send them home with that's gonna make

458
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: them feel all warm and good about their their gangster ramp.

459
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: You know, we gangster rap with hope. That's that's what

460
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: we're working on for the rest of this episode. In

461
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: wh I think it's with Hope. I think that's got

462
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: to be the name of the episode. At this point,

463
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 1: it's gonna be great. We're gonna take a break. We'll

464
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: be back with more agres. Good morning. More, my mama

465
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: told me, we are that we're not gonna let Joe

466
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: Biden and Kamala Harris cut America's meet. That's dead on that.

467
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: That's that all that. Yeah, we're back here. Well more,

468
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: my mama told me more agres. Good When we're still

469
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,360
Speaker 1: talking about the possibility that there was a secret meeting

470
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: held between music exists and and prison pipeline experts who

471
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: masterminded the sales of Gangster Wrapped to urban youth, do

472
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: you think that with that they and this, I think

473
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: it is going to help us get into some of

474
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: this research that they were specifically assuming that this music

475
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: would only appeal to black and brown people. Were they

476
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: Did they ever consider the possibility that there was some

477
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 1: white child who would eventually fall in love with this music?

478
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: You know, this is the real spill of it, though,

479
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 1: I mean of of white supremacy. And I say this

480
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: kind of like like like you know, it's like when

481
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: you see a boxer who's like, you know, like I'm

482
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: gonna go face this person, and like I know fully well,

483
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: when I get in the ring, this person, they're gonna

484
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: try to murder me. Yeah, I kind of strangely respect that,

485
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: but like, I got to prepare myself to face this person.

486
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: So I've gone through many phases of like kind of

487
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: reconciling myself and preparing myself to face white supremacy every day,

488
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: and the and the premise and what empowers me to

489
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: not waiver or get into the Well, there's two sides, right, Um,

490
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: is that the basis of white supremacy is the belief that,

491
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: you know, anyone not white is lesser, but also that

492
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: black people are inherently just violent and criminal and civilized.

493
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, their premises that a civilized white person can

494
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: listen against Rof and be like hmm interesting, entire oh interesting,

495
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: you know, because they like it too. They always have, right,

496
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: I always have. But you know they're so civilized and

497
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: sophisticated that you know they're they're not going to they

498
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: can understand it for entertainment. But whereas Yeah, the belief

499
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: was that this is just background music for our criminal

500
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: activity already, and he was already out doing dry bys,

501
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: and we're like, I need the right song to to

502
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: be this The score not to do. So let me

503
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: look through my go through my catalog, and I can't

504
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: murder without a beat. I need a beat turn off

505
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: that shots to COVID. Spice went on, So, yeah, I

506
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: mean it's a it's a very racist, it's it's yeah,

507
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: it's steeped in in all the garbage. Yeah, it's so fast.

508
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: I think that's a fantastic way of putting it, that

509
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: that it's not a concern of whether or not white

510
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: children we're going to listen to it because at its core,

511
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: you believe that white children will not be swayed by

512
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: it the same way that these poor black and brown

513
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: children were inherently going to be moved by the music

514
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: that they were listening to. And here's here's what super

515
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: ill too, man. I mean, if you go to the history,

516
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: I mean we get if we get if we don't

517
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: get right down to it. I mean you think about

518
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: like chain quote unquote chain gang music, right, I mean

519
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: how chain gangs that staid was like just vagrancy. It

520
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: was just like we're gonna like burn your towns down,

521
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: take your houses a way. You can't vote, I can't

522
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: get no damn job. And so brothers will just be

523
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: walking down the street because they you know, and they

524
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: would be like, Yo, you're vagrant, so I'm gonna put

525
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: you on this chain gang for fifty years, right, and

526
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: started singing and some white man recorded that and made

527
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: money off of that. And so if you think about that,

528
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: that correlation has been there from from from Jump Street.

529
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: So it but you know the other piece of it

530
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: too that just occurred to me now that we're talking, is, um,

531
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,719
Speaker 1: do you remember that saw my acn you Got Me

532
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: a Lot? Yeah? I remember. I kind of like that.

533
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: I didn't like like that song, but it's like you

534
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: hear it and you're like, I don't hate that song,

535
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: you know. And I remember the woman I was dating

536
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: at the time saying something like they got these you know,

537
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: they got they got they got these kids like you

538
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: know singing that right, like singing like oh, it's cool

539
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: that like you know, prison prison, that prison aesthetic started

540
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: coming into the music videos or like d Block and

541
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, like the Crance. I mean,

542
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: there's so so that aesthetic and that that correlation has

543
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: always been there. But I think the thing we can't

544
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: ever lose sight of is really like there's always been

545
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: that correlation and that's who's I mean, you know, they

546
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: make the bread off of the numbers right in the

547
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: black and brown and so we're joking and because it

548
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: is kind of the theory, but yeah, I mean, the

549
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: real spill of it is just like whether this was

550
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: true or not true, again, it's true, Like you know,

551
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: it reminds what you're saying, reminds me so much of that,

552
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: and they I realized it was very much a response

553
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: to what was already a trend of like in the

554
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: in the mid nineties of selling like literal like prison

555
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: jumpsuits has like fashion and then there's that Fresh Prince

556
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: episode where like Will like gets his hair twisted, eyes

557
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: like the prison jumpsuit, and Uncle Phil tells them, like,

558
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: you're looking like a gangster. This is gonna like lead

559
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: you down the wrong path, and then he ends up

560
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: getting into some like weird like police alteration because of

561
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: the way that he looks. And it was all meant

562
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: to be this important allegory to teach us to be

563
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: more responsible, I think, with the way that we like

564
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: carried ourselves in society. And it's all a fucking yucky lesson,

565
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Where It's like we're

566
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: shaming in a lot of ways the people who are

567
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: merely responding to a choice that a bunch of capitalists

568
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: at a much higher level exactly decided, you know, they

569
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: made choices. And then we go like, man, if only

570
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have put that jumpsuit on and twisted Jay

571
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: stayed out of trouble. Yo, did you see? Um? This

572
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: totally rando? But I've been just telling it, you know,

573
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: bring us up everywhere because I thought it was, like

574
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: the best thing I saw last year was that Colin

575
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: Kaepernick show, that Colin in real life, Yo, Colin and

576
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: black and White, Colin in Black and White and that

577
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: whole I love how like the first episode was all

578
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: about hair and like him wanting to get the braids

579
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: and look like AI and as parents being like, yo,

580
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: you you look like a thug. Like that was the

581
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: I've never seen that on TV. But then you brought

582
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: up this fresh Prince drain and I'm like, wow, it's

583
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: kind of a similar thing of just like the way

584
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: you do your which is so silly, right, like yeah,

585
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: and it's it truly at its core, right, It's the

586
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: the irony of it all is you look like a

587
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: thug because a bunch of people outside of your community

588
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: created those associations, not because thugs created those associations. I

589
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: know thugs that that where you know, fucking belly tops

590
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: like they're truly thugs coming all forms, all created these associations.

591
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: All right, Let's jump into some of this research because

592
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: I think I think some of this is going to

593
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: be helpful both for us and the listeners to ground

594
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: this conversation. The original While this obviously is a conversation,

595
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: I think that's circulated, as we said, for years and

596
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: years around the hip hop community. This source that I

597
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: could find at least that that sort of sites where

598
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: this official conversation started came from a supposed letter, an

599
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: anonymous letter sent to the site hip hop is Read

600
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: on April fovelve Is, when apparently the official letter was sent,

601
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: and this anonymous letter claimed to be from a person

602
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: who was at the supposed meeting in nine where a

603
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: number of music decision makers met at a a secret location.

604
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: It was a home right outside of l A twenty

605
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: five to thirty of them all joined together, which that

606
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: was a larger number than I think I had ever anticipated.

607
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: I thought it was like a more like eight to

608
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: twelve kind of energy, but it was twenty five to

609
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: thirty music executives and then five people who they said

610
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: were extremely anti social and that none of them recognized.

611
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: And then those five people ended up, after being led

612
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: by one of the music executives who had sort of

613
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: organized the whole thing, ended up taking over the conversation.

614
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: And like we've been saying, encouraging everyone to start to

615
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: invest in gangster rap because these corporations and the lead

616
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: executives had already built relationships with private prisons, and subsequently,

617
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: by promoting gangster rap, not only could they increase the

618
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: wealth of those corporations, of these these music industry corporations,

619
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 1: but they could also personally gained a bunch of wealth

620
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: by sort of doing like blind investments in these same

621
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: private prisons. Yeah, that should happen. Totally see it. That

622
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: totally happens, especially now. I didn't. I didn't know it

623
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: was that. Yeah, the n is when it's supposed to.

624
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: This meeting took place. That's a year before the riots, No,

625
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: I believe. So, yeah, people, you know, someone has to

626
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: really talk about how conservative California is. People be thinking

627
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: California is like there's some scary waits out there. No,

628
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: it's yeah, I think it's it's it's terrifying how conservative

629
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: California and terrifying. It's a weighted word, but it it

630
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: is haunting how much we pretend as if this is

631
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: sort of like this liberal haven. I I listened to

632
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: this podcast by this dude Robert Evans called it could

633
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: Happen here, where he sort of explores the possibility that

634
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: like we actually are much closer to civil war than

635
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 1: we think that we are, and it's part of like

636
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: the America American agenda to keep us believing that we're

637
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: like better than every other country that sort of like

638
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: finds themselves murdering their own citizens. That said, one of

639
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: the things he points out is that like most of

640
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: California is actually controlled by like the food and water

641
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: so fly of California specifically is controlled by like very conservative,

642
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 1: very rural towns in northern California, and if at any

643
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: point they decide to sort of like pull back from

644
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: the Californian community, then we are basically cut off and

645
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: we will literally be fighting in the streets over like

646
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: coffee and fucking eggs and ship. Okay, so let's write

647
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: that pilot. That's that's amazing. That's amazing. Yeah, that's that's real.

648
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: Spell though, man, I mean people don't don't realize, but

649
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: like I mean not far Like you go out to

650
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: the O C. And you go out, you know, it's

651
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: all these little towns just sprinkle with just like you know,

652
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:48,720
Speaker 1: just like very very traditional quote unquote. Yeah. So anyway,

653
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: but I I I think it happen. I don't know

654
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: what you think, but I like when you read that

655
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: description with the details, I was like, oh, yeah, never mind,

656
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: I I believed it. Then. I see see when you've

657
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: read it just now, I got the same feeling I

658
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: did back in the day. I also read that before.

659
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: That was definitely out there before. Yeah, I think I

660
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 1: think the conspiracy existed before twelve. And then the letter

661
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: was and this person says that in the letter where

662
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: they said, I've been sitting on this for years. I've

663
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: heard people talk about this three years, but it is

664
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: it's finally reached the point where I feel like I

665
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: need to step up and say what I know. They

666
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: also spend the entire time saying that I'm I'm too

667
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: fearful for my life and safety to actually name names

668
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: in this thing, so I will keep everybody anonymous, including myself.

669
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: They also talk about you asked the question of like

670
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: did everybody just go along with what was presented? They

671
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: talked about the fact that when this was originally sort

672
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: of like initiated in the meeting, that number I think

673
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,959
Speaker 1: they said three people stood up, like what the funk

674
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: are you talking about and were immediately escorted off of

675
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: the property and and based the erased from this conversation

676
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: and not murdered, but just certainly like made to keep

677
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 1: quiet in that way. And also everybody had to sign

678
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: in the A. So that's part of the argument for

679
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: why it's never ever come forward, do you think, Rincy Johnson?

680
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: Because Chris has been everywhere And that's the part I

681
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: love that you asked that I really do, because that's

682
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: the part that's always bugs me about sort of the

683
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: way that it's presented is it makes it seem as

684
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: if and now I think this is also some of

685
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 1: the Bamboo's element that Black people often due to ourselves.

686
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: It makes it seem as if this was just a

687
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: collection of of proud white men coming together to do

688
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: proud white men things, and it's like, no, this was

689
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: rich people coming together do rich people things, and so

690
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: there's a real possibility mostly white people. Absolutely, there was,

691
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: if if if any, it was a sprinkling, but that

692
00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: sprinkling is very much representative of of what that class

693
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: of people is. Right, At a certain point, you get

694
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: rich enough that it doesn't matter who's on the other

695
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: end of your of your decision making. You just want

696
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: more money. Yeah, these are facts, and so that brings

697
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: us back to that conservative conservative No. Um, okay, so

698
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: we I think we both agreed that this totally happened.

699
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: Now the question, I think so Now the question is

700
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,959
Speaker 1: who are the people of color in the in that room?

701
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: How do we get to them? Are they still alive?

702
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: That was it? I think I think you gotta put

703
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 1: l a read in the room. If if we're talking

704
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: music in the early nineties, I think you got to

705
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: put Yeah, I think baby Face was maybe on like

706
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: a speaker phone, you know what I mean. I don't

707
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: think he was there. I think he's a little too

708
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: front facing that they couldn't put baby Face in the room.

709
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: And they were like, well, we'll let baby listen in

710
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: like put like a baby. We're gonna We're gonna just

711
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna hang out, which we're you right back again.

712
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: I think I think they had this meeting and then

713
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: at some point they were like, and now, uh performance

714
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 1: from baby Face, when can I see you again on

715
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: the guitar over speaker phone for everybody to listen to.

716
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: That's hilarious. Okay, Here's so one of the things that

717
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: sort of like popped in my head as I'm as

718
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: I was reading all of this. Because the writer remained anonymous,

719
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: he said that he stayed in the music industry for

720
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 1: another two years, and then he says eventually that like

721
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: his the sort of weight of what he knew in

722
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: the shift that he saw from you know, the sort

723
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: of like fat boys into the biggie small was too

724
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: much for him to handle and he couldn't do it anymore.

725
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: The fat boys the thing wait waite who I'm not

726
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: sure who he's dissing there. He didn't say them specifically,

727
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: He was like that those those fat ones are nice,

728
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: and this fat one's me. You want to eat if

729
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: we want to eat, and killing make interface. So he

730
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: said he had to get out of it. But one

731
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: of the things that that sort of immediately felt like

732
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: I had to ask myself and I needed to then

733
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: ask the Internet is is there a correlation between rat

734
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: music and crime? Like? Is there any evidence of there

735
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: being a correlation between rap music and crime? And I

736
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: can't cannot express enough how much of a fucking dork

737
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: you feel like when you have to type into Google

738
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: does rap music lead to violence? You know who? Who's

739
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: who's your man? Who's the dude with the conservative Jewish

740
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: guy with the with the oh, I know Ben and Shapiro.

741
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:54,439
Speaker 1: Shapirot like, He's like, yeah, does you're like does rap music?

742
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: And Shapiro pops up He's like, I'll take it from here.

743
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: I got it. I got a big doug. Yeah. I

744
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: had to take that in and I'm terribly ashamed. But

745
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: in doing that, I found this to two thousand six

746
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: study from something called the Prevention of Research Center of

747
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation, Oh excuse me,

748
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: out of Berkeley, California, and it suggests that young people

749
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: who listen to rap and hip hop are more likely

750
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: to abuse alcohol and commit violent acts. Now I should

751
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 1: mention again this is from two thousand six, and so

752
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: you have to take everything that happened in the early

753
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 1: adds would get a grain of salt. But then one

754
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: of the key points that they keep harping on are

755
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: these studies that show the increased alcohol consumption related to

756
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: alcohols promoted in the song. So I passed the cavassier

757
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: came out in a bunch of people bought more Cavasier.

758
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: This is they're they're pointing to that, and one of

759
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear your thoughts on some of that

760
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: correlation before I I jump into what I already have

761
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,439
Speaker 1: have made a bunch of conclusions about in my head.

762
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's one. It's kind of like

763
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: it's like kind of like a nothing burger, you know

764
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like, yeah, you're saying teenagers what

765
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: like that's happening to be making an arguments. It's like

766
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: the it's like the twenties when white people are listening

767
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: to like jungle music and smoking jazz and like, you know,

768
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: it's just like you know, when you're young and impressionable,

769
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: like yeah, if you're a dumbass that you know, like

770
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: you were stupid, we were stupid. They're like motherfucker in

771
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: the song and say like I'm eating them at the

772
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: data is like just it's just like you just are

773
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: and then you like become a person with your own

774
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: you know, You're like, I gotta go to work. I

775
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: can't eat potatoes mashed potatoes all day, like I gotta

776
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 1: go have a life. And so I don't know, I don't.

777
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, it's like there's a correlation between you know,

778
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: people smoking, weeding and funk at each other and eating

779
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: chips like okay, wow, get this guy Nobel prize. Like right,

780
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: this isn't this isn't as much a study as you

781
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: being annoying about a good time. That's some folks, you know. Well,

782
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: the other thing that popped in my head as I've

783
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: read that is like, okay, so maybe there is an

784
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: increased sailing Cavassier, but you're not telling me there's more

785
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: alcohol being sold overall. So that just means that, like

786
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 1: I hear pass the Cavassier and instead of buying vodka,

787
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: I buy exactly so the the the sale is still

788
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: the same. It's just I'm making different choices because my

789
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: boy Buster Rhymes introduced me to a new experience that

790
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have otherwise. Most people, you know, I've been

791
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 1: a bartender. Okay, people don't have like this broad under

792
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: like people don't know. They just like that looks pretty.

793
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: Give me that, Like it's like beer or wine, or

794
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: even when you say wine, they're not saying give me

795
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: a chateau, you know. They just like people aren't really

796
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: keeping up with Yeah, if you if you hit them with,

797
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 1: you know, drink that drink that you know. But I remember,

798
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: I do remember also the amount of forties that I

799
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: drank as a teenager. Sure, yeah, because of all the

800
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: forties I saw. And I'm like in the suburbs, you know,

801
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: at like at like you know, Kurt's house, you know

802
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: the finished pace, you know. So, but you're just an idiot.

803
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: You're just impressionable and stupid and like where have you been?

804
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: What have you done? You? You don't know anything about anything.

805
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: You just what the older guys do. It truly feels

806
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: like they are they're trying to make lasting judgments on

807
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: the behaviors of impressionable children, and it's it's not a

808
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: logical progression, and it certainly misses a bunch of steps.

809
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: One of the things that I think additionally is missed

810
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: in all of this is that a study from two

811
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: thousand two actually found that black kids statistically actually drink

812
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: less ALCOHOLO this bike being exposed to sixty six percent

813
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: more ads for beer and ale and eighty one percent

814
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: more ads talk about spirits talk about it. So we

815
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 1: are literally being force fed almost a hundred percent more

816
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: of the the the advertisements for these things, and simultaneously

817
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: we are we are drinking less than than our white counterparts,

818
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: and that has to mean something, and that's not being

819
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: calculated in them being like, well, Buster Rhymes said a thing,

820
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: and then y'all reacted, Yeah, it's it's listened. Furious Styles

821
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 1: had it right in poison Hood, Okay when he took

822
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: trade and Ricky okay to that billboard and he said,

823
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: and he was asking those questions, he's asking why is that?

824
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: And I remember I went inside at Moved with a

825
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 1: group of people and the white guy in my crew

826
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: just like rolled his eyes at that part and the

827
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: rest of us huh right, So it's it's again, it's

828
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: it's through who whose eyes? And again because white supremacy

829
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: is very real, you know, it's it's the basis of

830
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: all these arguments is again always to prove that there's

831
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: something wrong with us. So so you know, whether that

832
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: be paternalistically or otherwise. It's like these people are are immoral,

833
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: they can't take care of themselves, and they'll try, you know,

834
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: So it's like there's also no leeway, right, So again

835
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: it's it's it's also in a weird way. What's so

836
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: frustrating about the Uncle Phils and the Bill Cosby's, Well,

837
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: there's a lot that's frustrating about Bill Cosby, but in

838
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: this one particular thing that's frustrating about Bill Cosby is

839
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: in this context is again this this judging like there's

840
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: no there's no room for us to be just human

841
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: and vulnerable and flawed and like, yeah, we like to

842
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: have a good time and you know, we like to

843
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: party and like everyone enjoys vice. But does that mean

844
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: there's something wrong with us? You know what I'm saying,

845
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: numb wrong. I wanna you just want to have a

846
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: good time like everybody else, you know. And to that

847
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: point that it's also this cherry picking of the things

848
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: that you want to be able to prove about us, right,

849
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: Like nobody's going through Biggie smallst lyrics and being like

850
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: there's been a massive uptick in black people eating cheese,

851
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 1: eggs and and welch is great, you know what I mean,

852
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: Like it's it's they all we also rap about nonsense

853
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: that nobody is then tracking the relationship with They just

854
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: go alright, this thing is rapping about alcohol, so this

855
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: must be a bad thing, right, Yeah, he's also rapping

856
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: about you know, other things that you know are also

857
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: positive and like you know having you know what I

858
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: mean that that enlighten us and expand our vocabulary. I mean,

859
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: I know about other kinds of music. I know about

860
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 1: the continent of Africa because that the sonic you know,

861
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: a Angola, Wa Zombie Mozambique, a bos want where's that study? Right,

862
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: there's an uptick in black keys from Detroit knowing countries

863
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 1: in the continent of Africa thanks to step to Sign,

864
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: these fucking kids are learning geography. We gotta put a

865
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: stop to it. So one of the things that really

866
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: felt like it stood out in a lot of this

867
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: attempt to create a correlation, and I read a few

868
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: articles that that try to play some kind of correlation,

869
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: is that at its core, it feels like the bigger

870
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: risk of the attempt at correlating these things that you're

871
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 1: you have to do it by ignoring every other factor

872
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: that may have contributed to the way that this community functions.

873
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: Right that, if you're saying increased violence is happening in

874
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: this neighborhood, you're also basically asking rap to be responsible

875
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: for all of the factors that cross caused this increased

876
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: violence while ignoring the systemic oppression that's happening in every

877
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: other way. So that my my school not having enough

878
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: funding has nothing to do with it. It's just the

879
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: goddamn hip hop that made me behave this way all

880
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 1: my pencils. Yeah, it surely is a wild attempt at

881
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: creating a relationship. And so one of the things that

882
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: I felt and and the circles are us back to

883
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: to the grander conspiracy at hand, right, is that while

884
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: I do think that this meeting probably did happen, I

885
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: don't think it was thirty people, if I'm being honest.

886
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: I think it was probably like five to two six people.

887
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: And I think there were multiple meetings that took place.

888
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: I think they went like sort of like group to group,

889
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: person to person, and they only needed like one or

890
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: two to buy into it each time to really like

891
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: get their bigger plan going. That said, I don't think

892
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: that this meeting is like the end all of everything

893
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: that's happening, And this was just a small play in

894
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: a much grand and her effort to like destroy black

895
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: and brown communia, you know what I mean, Like they

896
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: did this and then they went and met about fracking.

897
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: They don't they're not worried that much about us that

898
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: this was like the the final chess move on our futures. Yeah,

899
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: what what you check to check the wrap? The gangst

900
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: wrap stocks again. I mean that's also like a very

901
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: speci I'm not wondering if you were at some if

902
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: you if you're not telling me, because that's very specific.

903
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: It's just like I feel like they got into Afford

904
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: expedition that was blue. They started our c A and

905
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: then they went to capital and they had little waters

906
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: in the back, some of the fruity mens, some of

907
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: the regular mins. I took the fruity but I don't

908
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: mean me. I mean someone else that we can make

909
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: royal good guy. Uh, that's that's you're probably not wrong.

910
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 1: I'll buy that. But now you're making me wonder not

911
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: don't know if you've done this study? Is like was

912
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: there statistically right? Like if if we look at to

913
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: let's say two thousand one or two thousand eleven, was

914
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: there an uptake? Did anything happen and wasn't due to rap?

915
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure it was just because that's just

916
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: what they do. But yeah, was is there any if

917
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: this did happen? Like, did it work? Did some people say?

918
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: Because I know there was more games rap? But but

919
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: was it because of this meeting? Was it because? I

920
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: mean I definitely think more people were being put in prison?

921
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: But we could also point to the what was the

922
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 1: jail Biden and Hillary Clinton? Yeah, the the jail law

923
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: thing that they are bill that they put together, like

924
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: I think there's a bunch of other crime bill excuse me.

925
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: And that was like was early nineties for sure. And

926
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: it's like maybe at that meeting, I think they I

927
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: think we watched the meeting live on television and we

928
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: were all like, man, there must be a secret meeting

929
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: happening somewhere because we're fucking idiots, and I think there's

930
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: a secret meeting where they're really doing stuff. It's like, na, bro,

931
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: they really o played this ship in front of you

932
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: and they don't give a fuck. Yeah, the only secret

933
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: was the deodorant that that Hillary Cook was worst, like

934
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: she said front all your very true. Yeah, but that

935
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: was early in C span. You know, that was early

936
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: c span two, you know what I mean? That wasn't

937
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 1: that was C Span one and a half. It wasn't

938
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 1: like the Family ties like it was a little key

939
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: like we got the internet now so we can go back.

940
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: But like that wasn't prime time. That wasn't. No, no, no, no,

941
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: it wasn't. It wasn't very popular, but it was effective.

942
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:51,919
Speaker 1: And uh they've apologized for it since you can't be Yeah,

943
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: like you know, there was a lot of drafts of that,

944
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 1: like meaning like we didn't know what we were doing.

945
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: It's like family. You saw a lot of draft that. Yes, yes,

946
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: that's and that's the part that I think is is

947
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: buggy about all of these things, right, is that I

948
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: don't and I've talked about this before in the podcast.

949
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 1: I don't think that we as black people often give

950
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: ourselves enough credit or give rather, we give white people

951
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: too much credit for how intelligent their sinister moves are.

952
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: I think sometimes we make them into fucking these mad

953
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: scientists who are able to like plot eighteen moves ahead,

954
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 1: and instead I think that they are car salesmen, these

955
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: these powerful people are truly used car salesmen who are

956
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: who are just trying to get an idea over on people.

957
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 1: And if it works, they celebrate, and if it doesn't,

958
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 1: they tuck their tails and they apologize a decade two

959
00:54:52,880 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 1: decades later and yeah they're about yeah exactly, and we

960
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: it's not lizard people. It truly is people with pet lizards,

961
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,399
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it's it's a different vine.

962
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: It's still got bars, still got bars. We're gonna take

963
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: one more break. We'll be back with morradres good when

964
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: and more, my mama told me, and we are that

965
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: ain't nobody got time for it. Yeah, we're back here

966
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: with Morra Drew is good. When more my mama told me.

967
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 1: We're still talking about the possibility that there was this

968
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: secret meeting that forced gangster wrap down our throats and

969
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: now we can't live without it. And they're all our

970
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: daddies and brothers and cousins are in prison because of it.

971
00:55:52,400 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: Damn you give me my daddy back. Sorry, little homie. Anyway,

972
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: I just well, that isn't. One of the questions that

973
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: I have for you is do you think that the

974
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: artist at some point became aware of any of this,

975
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: because that's another part of it that I think often

976
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 1: goes overlooked, is like Ice Cubes a learned man. He's

977
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 1: got a goddamn master's degree. Do you think at any

978
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: point he went, oh, ship, I'm not I'm a part

979
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: of this. I'm helping. And then he was like, fuck it,

980
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: I'm in this too far? Is he like? You know

981
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 1: what I mean? Where where the art I can't do?

982
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 1: Ask him? I could him, I can't do. Yeah, they

983
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: a c What do you think about this question? You? Um,

984
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 1: you know artists? Of course we're not. And of course

985
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: who would do that? Who would ask? Who would be like, hey,

986
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,919
Speaker 1: I thought you want these guys here. I mean, it's

987
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: to me, it's not that of inviting mc wren. We

988
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,040
Speaker 1: watched little Wayne hug Donald Trump in a way that

989
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 1: we haven't seen little Wayne hug a man, and and

990
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 1: since he kissed baby on the mouth, so a part

991
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: of me feels like, maybe there are there's a level

992
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: of concession you make if there's enough dollar dollar bills, y'all.

993
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: On the end of this, I think little Wayne is

994
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: also intentionally trolling us, though okay, I think he's trolling

995
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: us and and that's how I feel about Yea as well,

996
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: like that I don't like, I don't I have a

997
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: whole thing. So there's this like epic like the last

998
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: player I write, sort of my career ending my irishman

999
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: is I'm gonna do this epic freaking play about like

1000
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: self hate, like just that about like Candas Owens and

1001
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: and and easy E at the Republican dinner and Little

1002
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: Wayne and Yea and like because I'm trying to understand

1003
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: them because I don't believe them. Yeah, it's weird, but

1004
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: I but is that also me being racist? Like is

1005
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: that also me being narrow in a way not racist?

1006
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: But is that me putting them doing the thing they're saying,

1007
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: like don't put me in a box, I don't have

1008
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: to vote Democrat, right, and me being like, come on here,

1009
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: laying you know, trying to be different. Yeah, yeah, that

1010
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: you're like, you know, you know better, You're just trying

1011
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: to prove something instead of like they truly aren't in

1012
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: the box and they they are functioning in the space

1013
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: where they believe what they're saying is right. That's right,

1014
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: But I don't believe you. You're not bought into it

1015
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: at all at all. I don't. I just don't. I

1016
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: don't buy it anyway. Sorry, I don't mean to turn

1017
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: the show into like you drink somebody's working on. But no,

1018
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: I I actually think that this is better than the

1019
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: stupid stuff I come up with. Please, I want the questions.

1020
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: Don't know, I'm thinking it's all over the place. I'm

1021
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: just like happy to talk to another black adult anyway. No,

1022
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: this is fun. I this is the part of the

1023
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: episode where we always play a game and games. It's

1024
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: a fun game. It's a game called white Lies. Ugly,

1025
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: You're disgusting. I'm gonna kill you. Give me two white lies.

1026
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: It's a it's a beautiful game where you drinks. I'm

1027
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: going to introduce to you a a widely held conspiracy

1028
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: theory in the white community, and what I would love

1029
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: for you to do is just break down why you

1030
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: think white people are so committed to this conspiracy theory?

1031
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: Got it cool? This one's interesting. This is a fun

1032
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: one that I I had heard pieces of in the past,

1033
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: but had not heard sort of like all compiled in

1034
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: this way before. But apparently there are some people who

1035
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: believe that Britney Spears recently freed from her from her

1036
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: prison if Britney Spears is a part of a government

1037
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: cover up, actually a series of government cover ups. They

1038
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: believe that Britney Spears over the years during the mid

1039
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: odds was sort of responsible for taking some els on

1040
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: the chin as a way of covering up specific meltdowns

1041
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: and issues within the Bush admin administration. So Britney Spears

1042
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: apparently in Dorst and you can see this in Fahrenheit

1043
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: nine eleven. Britney Spears endorsed Bush in the early two

1044
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: thousand's and then a few things happened. So in two

1045
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: thousand four, weeks before the United States versus Libby trial,

1046
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: the Bush administration basically was going to be embarrassed in

1047
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: this trial. Instead, Britney Spears married someone and quickly annulled

1048
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: that marriage fifty five hours later in two thousand six.

1049
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: There are some people who think that when Brittany was

1050
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: photographed driving with her baby on her lap and soon

1051
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: was to divorce Kevin Federline, that was a cover up

1052
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: for Bush dumping rock down a Rumsfeld. And then there

1053
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: are some people who believe that her tirade when she

1054
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: shaved her head and was running around with the umbrella

1055
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: was a cover up for the out for al Qaeda

1056
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 1: regaining power in Afghanistan, that all of these were orchestrated

1057
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: by the Bush administration to keep Brittany as a distraction

1058
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: from the bigger play at hand. My question again at Rees,

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Speaker 1: is why do you think white people are so committed

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Speaker 1: to this conspiracy theory? Well, because wait for love Bush

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Speaker 1: and they love Britney Spears, and so if there's a

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Speaker 1: world those two, it's like fan fiction and it's like

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Speaker 1: it's like but they're together, Like it's two things I love,

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Speaker 1: but like together. You know. It's like putting like a

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Speaker 1: Friday on a burger. It's like you would, yeah, but

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Speaker 1: it can happen. No, but actually people do put Friday's

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Speaker 1: on burger. So this is this is even probably even

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Speaker 1: more what I could do. It's like putting like you know,

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Speaker 1: like Terreso on a chocolate cake or something like that happen.

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Speaker 1: It's like when Scooby Doo when the Harlem blow Trotters

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Speaker 1: linked up, and you're like, I didn't know I like this.

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Speaker 1: They're not even the same universe, but like so yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that's what it is. It's fun. It's like fun,

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Speaker 1: it's fun to do that like that's that's like because

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Speaker 1: you know, it's why I was like, I don't know

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Speaker 1: anything about like I don't like Britney's free. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: where did she go? What happened to her? Like free? What?

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Speaker 1: Like I don't know, you know, that's just stuff they

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Speaker 1: be following. So, yeah, that is my theory about why

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Speaker 1: they want to believe that. It's because I want to

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Speaker 1: they want those two you know. Yeah, It's it's funny

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Speaker 1: you say that because so Brittany Is has been freed

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01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: from her conservatorship, which was, you know, her father basically

1084
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: had like cooked it up to to sell her as

1085
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: crazy or or mentally unstable in the courts so that

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01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 1: he could be responsible for all of her money. And

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Speaker 1: in freedom, she wasn't allowed to drive herself places, she

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01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to access her own bank accounts. Her dad

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Speaker 1: and family members were basically in charge of all of that,

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Speaker 1: and it took a couple of years a long time

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Speaker 1: for her to basically get like, uh, some level of

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Speaker 1: like freedom from all of those things. Right, And after

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01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: saying that Bush that happened with Bush too? Is that

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Speaker 1: he I'm saying, now now you're getting into some ship

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01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: that I'm fascinated about because when did that conservatorship kick in.

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01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: It might have been right after Bush left office. They

1097
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Speaker 1: got the same daddy. Oh. He was like, I don't

1098
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 1: need this bitch anymore. Tire her up, put put her

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Speaker 1: bank accounts on hold. I don't need her running her

1100
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Speaker 1: mouth or anything. Now you're doing You're doing the dirty work.

1101
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Speaker 1: I was about to get messy, but now you did it.

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Speaker 1: You nailed it. I'm here from here to help me.

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Speaker 1: This was this was great. This is a fun episode Therese.

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Speaker 1: Could you tell the people at home where they can

1105
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Speaker 1: find you what cool ship you have going on? Oh? Yeah, man,

1106
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Speaker 1: So you know, I I uh, I'm always doing something.

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Speaker 1: My mim is up to something I love. I love. Uh,

1108
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 1: you know, I'm embracing this this digital virtual moment where

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Speaker 1: and trying to figure out, you know, howard writer for

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Speaker 1: the live stage, can you know, translate into into all

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01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: these other platforms you know? Uh, So I'm always doing

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Speaker 1: all sypes of types of stuff. But yeah, I'm on

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Speaker 1: all the socials, just Eadri Scool, Windri scool dot Com,

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Speaker 1: Addie Drew Skoo, when Nadie Drink. I'm on all the

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Speaker 1: twitters and everything and so uh you know, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've written sixty over sixty plays. They do them all

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Speaker 1: over the place. Some of them are streamable, you know.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, man, come out here, you know, hang beautiful

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Speaker 1: and so following Dre's go see a play stream one.

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Speaker 1: If you ain't trying to leave the house, you got

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Speaker 1: leave out stream that bad boy, And uh as always,

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Speaker 1: you can follow me at lanksteint Kerman on all of

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Speaker 1: those social media platforms as well. And if you if

1124
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Speaker 1: you subscribe, if you follow the podcast, write a review,

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Speaker 1: I'll kiss you. I'll kiss you dead on your mouth.

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Speaker 1: That's how I get down. And uh as always, you

1127
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Speaker 1: can send any conspiracy theories you have to my mama

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Speaker 1: pod at gmail dot com. We would love to hear

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Speaker 1: from you. Otherwise that's it, by bitch. Are Kuala Bears

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Speaker 1: were racist, the Oastal players oasting money, versions and many

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Speaker 1: turny stuff. I can't tell me about my lo