Speaker 1: Welcome to Wired to Hunts rut Fresh Radio, bringing you
Speaker 1: the latest reports from the White Tailed Woods and now
Speaker 1: your hosts, Casey Smith Tyler Jones. This is rut Fresh
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Speaker 1: changing the ruts. Some places in full swing, some places's
Speaker 1: tape ring off, and we have new seasons coming in.
Speaker 1: You can either embrace the changes or brace for the changes.
Speaker 1: Either one, it's time to get in the woods. Welcome
Speaker 1: to the rut Fresh Radio podcast. I'm your host Casey Smith.
Speaker 1: Tyler Jones is on the couch here and me and
Speaker 1: we have another special super special appearance of the one
Speaker 1: and only chocoed deer hunter Mark Kenyon. What's up, bro?
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you that if someone made shock gos
Speaker 1: and camouflage, they would absolutely kill in the field. All right.
Speaker 1: I think there's people never mind, No, there's not. I
Speaker 1: don't know that. I don't know people who would wear those. Actually,
Speaker 1: how do they do with climbing sticks? That's the thing
Speaker 1: I would be concerned about. You know, like, well that
Speaker 1: the functionality is something you're gonna know about. So tell
Speaker 1: you that's the thing is chockos Like for those who
Speaker 1: don't know. Chacos are like heavy duty sandals, either like
Speaker 1: flip flops or there's a version that kind of goes
Speaker 1: like straps over the top of your foot and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. And they're made for hiking, rafting, fishing, that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So they actually have a really thick
Speaker 1: and really grippy, uh soul that you could go like
Speaker 1: rock climbing and stuff. And so yeah, I can go
Speaker 1: up the climbing sticks. I could sit up there company
Speaker 1: as can be. I'll hike back two miles on public
Speaker 1: land and I'll hunt you guys in my sands. I
Speaker 1: can vouch that you will hike two miles real quick too.
Speaker 1: It's true. You've seen it long shrides. How long shrides.
Speaker 1: I've had to keep up with that man. Uh you know.
Speaker 1: I tried chocos one time and I was in Washington State.
Speaker 1: My wife had bottom for me, and I thought these
Speaker 1: would be pretty good for fishing maybe, And they ate
Speaker 1: my feet up so bad that like I had a
Speaker 1: hole in my foot for six months. I don't know
Speaker 1: what it was with the straps just destroyed my feet.
Speaker 1: So I never won again. I do feel like there's
Speaker 1: like a breaking period for your feet like especially if
Speaker 1: you're wearing the ones that are like the fully strapped
Speaker 1: ones that you do need your feet to kind of
Speaker 1: like adjust to them and like develop us a little
Speaker 1: bit of like a rough spot or something. You know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: your feet have the rough spots for sure. You used
Speaker 1: to know that a side it's just like tan, just
Speaker 1: like tan leather, like a good it looks like an elephant.
Speaker 1: You ever seen how when the elephant foot flexes when
Speaker 1: it hits the ground. That's what you're the size of
Speaker 1: your feet. Like, So are we talking about what we
Speaker 1: can we can other people do that? You know in
Speaker 1: a little bit. You have deer hunted though, right, just
Speaker 1: not in chocolates, like, but you have not in Chaco.
Speaker 1: But I have been deer hunting. I hunted the last
Speaker 1: oh three or four days of the bow season in
Speaker 1: Michigan and then hunted the last three days um proceeding
Speaker 1: this conversation there during gun season. So yeah, we've been
Speaker 1: out there, have been getting some interesting weather, and uh
Speaker 1: have been you know, seeing some of that mid November
Speaker 1: type of action you might expect that lockdown And and
Speaker 1: now we're starting to shift into like that second phase,
Speaker 1: that second half of the rut and stuff is gonna
Speaker 1: be changing here against into So it's Michigan state where
Speaker 1: they force you to use the weapon that the season
Speaker 1: is issued as, or can you use a lesser weapon?
Speaker 1: You can use a lesser weapon. How do you treat
Speaker 1: that personally? I personally am not bow only kind of dude.
Speaker 1: So I will use whatever is legal and whatever is
Speaker 1: most convenient or enjoyable. So what that means is that
Speaker 1: I'm using a bow when it's bow season, but when
Speaker 1: it's gun season, I'm using you know, uh, rifle. And
Speaker 1: in muzzleo our season, they actually have changed the rules
Speaker 1: in our part of Michigan and you can actually use
Speaker 1: any legal firearm in certain parts of the state during
Speaker 1: muzzle over season, um, because of c w D issues.
Speaker 1: So if I'm hunting in one of those regions, I'll
Speaker 1: use the rifle too. UM. So I'm not not to
Speaker 1: give for that. We probably aren't either. I do a
Speaker 1: lot abou hunting because it's just like being close, you know.
Speaker 1: But Texas has such a liberal gun season that, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, if you played by those rules, you'd end
Speaker 1: up gun hunting for like three months straight, you know. So,
Speaker 1: but I just kind of wonder you know, growing up,
Speaker 1: tactics changed drastically when you went from riffle to bow,
Speaker 1: and I wonder if that's how it works for YouTube
Speaker 1: up there, you know, yes and no. Um, it opens
Speaker 1: up new possibilities, you know, when I know that I
Speaker 1: can stretch out there and shoot. You know, we're a
Speaker 1: gun hunt. Most of my gun hunting is in the
Speaker 1: southern part of the States. You can't use a UM
Speaker 1: every rifle. You've got to use a straight wall cartridge
Speaker 1: if you're going to use that, or use a slug
Speaker 1: gun or a muzzleloaders, so you're not shooting super super
Speaker 1: far anyways. UM. But you know, I'll stretch out and
Speaker 1: be like, okay, I I could you know, be in
Speaker 1: the game at a hundred hundred and fifty yards something
Speaker 1: like that, where you know, with my bow, I've got
Speaker 1: to be you know, I'm trying to be within thirty
Speaker 1: or forty whatever it is. So it opens up a
Speaker 1: few new possibilities for me. But I don't just hunt,
Speaker 1: you know, some big, wide open field and a box
Speaker 1: blind expecting to kill a big giant buck. If I'm
Speaker 1: after you know, I'm mature buck. It's usually still pushing
Speaker 1: back on the edges of cover still pushing back in
Speaker 1: those spots that I'd be bow hunting. But now I'm
Speaker 1: just able to have a little bit more grace. I'm
Speaker 1: able to set up in a spot that I have
Speaker 1: less risk of blown him out of town or getting
Speaker 1: winded by other doors and and still being in the game.
Speaker 1: Like the poop line. The poop line is a good
Speaker 1: example that and it worked out swimmingly. Can you talk
Speaker 1: about what's your what what did your rifle setup look
Speaker 1: like for deer? So I've got a couple I've got,
Speaker 1: uh like my Northern Michigan gun, which is just a
Speaker 1: thirty at six UM, but that's more of a UM
Speaker 1: passed down from Grandpa gun, So it's not it's customized
Speaker 1: for the situation or something. That's just my grandpa's old
Speaker 1: thirty at six that he gave me that I like
Speaker 1: to use up there, and then down in southern Michigan,
Speaker 1: where I've got to use a straight wall cartridge. I've
Speaker 1: got a three fifty legend UM, which is, you know,
Speaker 1: a nice, nice, easy shooting quiet, not a lot of recoil,
Speaker 1: single shot, just a little tack driver UM. So it's
Speaker 1: not fancy, but it's like my hundred and fifty yard gun.
Speaker 1: That's just sweet. So that's why I use my local
Speaker 1: stuff that's down there in the southern part of the state. Cool.
Speaker 1: That's pretty slick man. Well, I uh, I've been still
Speaker 1: just bow hunting, you know, or even though rifles open,
Speaker 1: so's the purest you know, it's a it's a weird
Speaker 1: thing that maybe most people don't think about, but um
Speaker 1: uh YouTube people that work at YouTube, like, uh, they
Speaker 1: don't like guns all these so it's a kind of
Speaker 1: a difficult thing when you produce videos to trade the
Speaker 1: bow in and hopes that YouTube is okay with you
Speaker 1: shooting something with a gun, you know. So I never
Speaker 1: thought yep, that's why, you know, because we pretty much
Speaker 1: video every single thing we do. And so, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's a odd thing that uh we have to
Speaker 1: be careful of, I guess. So. And two round here
Speaker 1: is like if you wanted to shooting you with a gun,
Speaker 1: you probably could. So like I like to hunt and
Speaker 1: be out there quite a bit, so like the bow
Speaker 1: kind of limits me and lets me hunt a little more. Uh.
Speaker 1: So he's a limited So I've been hearing actually, and
Speaker 1: if you put the bottom pain at the top of
Speaker 1: the bag, you know. But I get what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying about the self limits. And
Speaker 1: you know, if I was hunting, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: some mega managed, awesome farm where there was a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of shooter bucks and I would be finishing off
Speaker 1: my season right away if they had the gun. You know,
Speaker 1: I probably would stick with the boat too. But I know,
Speaker 1: like you know, for example, in Michigan, like, I've got
Speaker 1: a very very tiny chance of killing a buck that
Speaker 1: I'm after, even with the guns. So it's it's still
Speaker 1: gonna be a big chance. Like honestly, if I had
Speaker 1: to bet, like with the spots I have to hunt
Speaker 1: right now, you know, there might be one night in
Speaker 1: the next month and a half where that buck will
Speaker 1: come out, and so I'm gonna have to be very
Speaker 1: very lucky to be there and to have him and range,
Speaker 1: even with you know, a hundred fifty yard range man
Speaker 1: like um, you know, being able to like people. Um.
Speaker 1: You know that in in the hunting space, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of uh, I guess, banter about you know, what's
Speaker 1: the right way to do things? Ethics, you know, what
Speaker 1: are ethics even really and Um, it's just interesting that
Speaker 1: you say that because I feel like that a lot
Speaker 1: of people should spend more time thinking about, um, you know,
Speaker 1: self limiting. I guess a little bit like what do
Speaker 1: you want out of the out of the hunt and
Speaker 1: and how can you manage that with your like the
Speaker 1: time of year you hunt, slash the weapon you hunt west,
Speaker 1: slash the blind you sit in or whatever you know,
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, I think like that's something to think about, right, Like, um,
Speaker 1: some guys uh work really hard and get five days
Speaker 1: a year, so maybe it's okay that they hunt with
Speaker 1: the rifle and you know, or a crossbow or whatever.
Speaker 1: So how much meat you have? That's the thing that
Speaker 1: I'm in right now. You know, I've shot a couple
Speaker 1: of bucks, and I shot at Elk and September, so um,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't really have to go out there
Speaker 1: and blast one, you know, and get there and sit
Speaker 1: and enjoy and be kind of um picky about what
Speaker 1: a shoot at, you know, and and just kind of
Speaker 1: enjoy the opportunity. Yeah, I'm with you. I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about this, uh and so our
Speaker 1: other conversations well the course of this year. But you know,
Speaker 1: my one of my big goals this year was just
Speaker 1: to get back to doing what's fun, like not doing
Speaker 1: the thing that people that I think people think I
Speaker 1: should do, not doing the thing that other people want
Speaker 1: me to do, not doing something because I feel pressured
Speaker 1: for this reason or that, but just going out and
Speaker 1: having fun. So if that means that I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: to my family deer camp for four days and not
Speaker 1: have a chance to shoot anything really, but you know,
Speaker 1: get to do something awesome my son, well I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do that. And if it means I'm gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: whatever else it is, I just feel like this year,
Speaker 1: leaning into that has has taken pressure off and and
Speaker 1: and made it so much more enjoyable. And because of that,
Speaker 1: I think I've had You know that that has maybe
Speaker 1: in part led to some of the success I've had.
Speaker 1: And you're a pioneer in this space, man, And like
Speaker 1: I appreciate you saying this right now because I think it's, uh,
Speaker 1: you're a leader, man, and it's it's good for people
Speaker 1: to hear. I think it's uh something to think about.
Speaker 1: Where um. Because I actually had a conversation with the
Speaker 1: guy the other day, a friend of mine who's who
Speaker 1: shot a deer, couldn't find it, tracked it for six
Speaker 1: yards crossing another property, he got permission all this stuff,
Speaker 1: never found it, and he's really bummed out because it's
Speaker 1: happened a couple of times recently to him. And you know,
Speaker 1: he said, I just embarrassed, man. You know, like people
Speaker 1: are smoking deer right now and I'm shooting another one
Speaker 1: that I can't find, you know. And I was like,
Speaker 1: who are you talking about? People? Because is this Instagram?
Speaker 1: Because you're only going to see the good stuff and
Speaker 1: you're only gonna feel these expectations from the people who
Speaker 1: are you know, I don't know talking talking heads of
Speaker 1: hunting or whatever. You know. It's like, uh so, like again,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you saying it. As a leader in the space, man,
Speaker 1: it it uh helps people to think about this stuff rightly.
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, I think we all just gotta hunt
Speaker 1: our own hunts and have fun and and then just
Speaker 1: stop worrying about all the other noise out there and
Speaker 1: social media and the media and and all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. We just we just gotta get back to
Speaker 1: doing it for your own reasons, in your own way.
Speaker 1: And um and man, it's such an awesome thing. It's
Speaker 1: a shame for all these other outside worries to to
Speaker 1: cloud that. So man, Ted Nugent says that you can't
Speaker 1: do this in France, you know what I mean, he's right.
Speaker 1: I'll give him that. He's right on that part. Nos
Speaker 1: do you fella Michigander. He's all about it, you know.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll tell you what. My son absolutely loves
Speaker 1: that song, Fred Bear. So we frequently have Ted Nugent
Speaker 1: top of mind in my truck because we're jamming out.
Speaker 1: So if I bumped into news and at the gas
Speaker 1: station one of these days, I'll always give my firm
Speaker 1: handshake and a hug. That's good. Oh man, that's cool. Well, um,
Speaker 1: you talked about a lot of opportunities you've had lately.
Speaker 1: We've had some opportunities as well, and across the country,
Speaker 1: opportunities are opening up with you know, the rut coming
Speaker 1: in in the South, it's a pretty exciting time for people,
Speaker 1: you know, and honestly, I know up in the North country,
Speaker 1: it's a good time of year to kill it here
Speaker 1: because they start kind of coming off that lockdown and
Speaker 1: into kind of that postseason type pattern, hitting foods, horses
Speaker 1: and stuff. So we've got a few hundreds from around
Speaker 1: the country who are gonna give us the report. This week,
Speaker 1: we got Jimmy Shyry in Pennsylvania, Patrick pay Singer in Tennessee,
Speaker 1: Graham Crowning with a report from Wisconsin, and Daniel Powell
Speaker 1: from down south in Alabama. He's gonna tell us about
Speaker 1: a deer. He's big deer he shot down there too. So, uh,
Speaker 1: thanks are happening all across the country, man, and uh,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty excited about it. We're about to go hunt
Speaker 1: with her buddy Clay up in Arkansas, and once we
Speaker 1: get done with that, we're gonna hunt with old Mark
Speaker 1: Kenyon in Texas. As. We've been kind of alluding to
Speaker 1: here for a few weeks. It's gonna be the super
Speaker 1: Bowl of the year. Boys, I've been looking forward to
Speaker 1: it for months. It's gonna be the peak of our seasons.
Speaker 1: All Right. We're in the top. We're on the top
Speaker 1: all the crazy stuff you've been doing across the rest
Speaker 1: of the country, and we're gonna tear it up wherever
Speaker 1: the heck of Texas. We're going better start eating some
Speaker 1: classy food you can get a little bit of, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean a little bit of you know, your get
Speaker 1: your belly ready for it basically, you know, and I
Speaker 1: know that also the the taste budge, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't want you to be thinking our ketchup as spicy
Speaker 1: now here, dude, you don't you know you're love it.
Speaker 1: You want your contact point to be the same on
Speaker 1: your bow, you know, Like I'd hate for like you
Speaker 1: to eat a jalapeno and your mouth swell up and
Speaker 1: then it's kind of weird, you know, so that's your face,
Speaker 1: Stop marking. I guess I'm I'm I don't know. I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm the guy that likes spicy food up here,
Speaker 1: but you are. You are kind of getting me worried
Speaker 1: to see if like the baseline like what spicy and
Speaker 1: Michigan maybe is not spicy in Texas, So I maybe
Speaker 1: am in for a whole world to hurt. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but it tastes. I can tell you the taste will
Speaker 1: be good. How much like mild saucea taco bell spicy? Right? Ah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: totally that's actually what we use, uh, you know as
Speaker 1: as most condiments is just the miles had every Mexican
Speaker 1: favorite restaurant you get chips and mild taco bell sauce.
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta tell you this. I don't like
Speaker 1: to throw further under the bus, but further gets mild
Speaker 1: saucea tacola. I'm not getting ill. Yeah, So to throw
Speaker 1: a little hunt and kick on it here still mark.
Speaker 1: How many deer have you killed from the ground, sir? Ever? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Or like, um say you like, not in a blind
Speaker 1: you know, just kind of like Mano imano on the
Speaker 1: ground with a deer. I don't know, a handful, Okay, cool.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if you know that or not,
Speaker 1: but our hunt is gonna be pretty much a hundred
Speaker 1: percent on the ground, just kind of in the brush.
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of excited about that aspect of it,
Speaker 1: and I hope you are too. So yeah, I killed
Speaker 1: all of my dear last year from the ground without
Speaker 1: a blind actually really yeah, but those were mostly with
Speaker 1: a gun. This will be with a bow, So be
Speaker 1: a little different around in there, dude, in my sandals,
Speaker 1: you actually probably get away with it. Outside the prinkle pair. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's this thing called chola cactus. You ever heard of that?
Speaker 1: I have heard of it. Yeah, yeah, so be ready.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be funny. Actually, you probably encounter some of
Speaker 1: that in some of your cou's deer hunting. I would imagine,
Speaker 1: so very similar to some of that. So I'm excited, gentlemen.
Speaker 1: I'm excited till Mark. Let's uh get to these interviews
Speaker 1: so we can get to that hunt pretty soon. Let's
Speaker 1: do it. This is Graham Crowning with Vortex Optics, has
Speaker 1: been out doing some hunting in Wisconsin, his home state there. Graham,
Speaker 1: what's happening, dude? Not too much, Casey? How are you doing? Man?
Speaker 1: Doing well? I kind of getting over the sickness. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of guys struggle with this though you
Speaker 1: can tell me if you have ever dealt with this,
Speaker 1: But like, you almost get run down during November because
Speaker 1: you're eating kind of junkie food and you're out in
Speaker 1: the cold lot and not sleeping normal schedule, and it's
Speaker 1: just like your immune system catches up with you. You
Speaker 1: ever feel that way, Oh, I absolutely feel that way.
Speaker 1: I get that way. Turkey season, deer season I turned into,
Speaker 1: for lack of better term, a piece of garbage with
Speaker 1: just the jump food, energy drinks. But hey, you get
Speaker 1: through it, man. That's the black rafel uh, you know, coffee,
Speaker 1: drinks in some cases, pizza. You know, it feels good
Speaker 1: at the moment that it catches up with you, you know,
Speaker 1: so yeah, hold on you after a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: of it, that's right, man. So, how how has the
Speaker 1: hunting been up in Wisconsin? The hunting has been really
Speaker 1: good here. You know, like a lot of the country
Speaker 1: experience that, um, you know, really ab normally hot beginning
Speaker 1: to November, which you know historically, you know, that's kind
Speaker 1: of where I put you know, my bed on the
Speaker 1: killing a buck. But it kind of pushed a lot
Speaker 1: of that daytime movement back a little bit too. You know,
Speaker 1: around the around the tenth of November, we had a
Speaker 1: pretty big temp drop. It dropped from seventy to about
Speaker 1: over night, and I mean after that it was like
Speaker 1: lights on. They were just running like crazy. So it's
Speaker 1: been pretty hot and heavy here. Yeah, it's cool. So
Speaker 1: it's it's still kind of going how you still seeing
Speaker 1: quite a bit of movement, chasing and that kind of
Speaker 1: thing in the past week. Yeah, we've been seeing a
Speaker 1: lot of chasing still going on. I'd say it's kind
Speaker 1: of starting to tamper down a little bit. I'd say
Speaker 1: we're probably getting close to that lockdown phase of it. Um. Plus,
Speaker 1: our gun season just opened up, and you know, with
Speaker 1: all that pressure of the Orange Army out there, definitely
Speaker 1: takes a toll and kind of pushes down to some
Speaker 1: of that daytime movement. But yeah, I've got it looks
Speaker 1: good right now. How do you kind of approach that
Speaker 1: pressure from the gun season stuff? Do you embrace it
Speaker 1: or do you kind of not look forward to it?
Speaker 1: How does that work? Yeah, it's kind of one of
Speaker 1: those things. You know, it's out of your control, right,
Speaker 1: That's what it is. So you can either figure your
Speaker 1: way around it, or you know, you can sit inside
Speaker 1: and wind about it. So there's definitely some spots where
Speaker 1: you can find some unpressured pieces and you know, do
Speaker 1: all of that otherwise. You know a lot of times
Speaker 1: I like to bank on you know, I know what
Speaker 1: neighbors are gonna be kind of doing what in their
Speaker 1: hunt style, So I can kind of use that to
Speaker 1: my advantage of knowing if they're going to start pushing
Speaker 1: to year round and you know where those doll bed.
Speaker 1: The more information like that you can have, I mean,
Speaker 1: you can set yourself up to still be super successful
Speaker 1: this time of year. Yeah, so our our deer drives
Speaker 1: like a pretty big thing up there in Wisconsin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah. That's definitely the popular way to hunt, especially
Speaker 1: for those guys that are, you know, maybe only hunting
Speaker 1: that opening weekend where they've got two days to get
Speaker 1: it done. You know, they can't wait for a deer
Speaker 1: to walk by. They kind of got to force the
Speaker 1: issue a little bit. So I'd say definitely that second day.
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes a lot of people sit that first
Speaker 1: day and then that second day if they don't have something,
Speaker 1: they're going in and pushing through. So would you would you?
Speaker 1: Would you? Do you like hunting when deer drives are
Speaker 1: going on like that? Does that you feel like that
Speaker 1: gives you an advantage where you sit. I mean it's
Speaker 1: tough to predict what it's gonna do, because I mean
Speaker 1: they could kick something up and you could all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, have you know, ten screaming deer running by you,
Speaker 1: or you know, they could just blow the place up.
Speaker 1: You never see anything, and you know they could kind
Speaker 1: of put damper on that area for a couple of days.
Speaker 1: So it's one of those things, like I said, you
Speaker 1: kind of just gotta roll with it more than anything. Um,
Speaker 1: A lot of the spots where I go, you can
Speaker 1: kind of tend to get away from some of that pressure.
Speaker 1: You know, if you kind of bomb into some of
Speaker 1: those deeper areas where you know the average guy is
Speaker 1: not gonna get into it. Can you can definitely use
Speaker 1: those deer drives to your advantage. What's the what's the
Speaker 1: way to stop a deer that's screaming by you? Oh man?
Speaker 1: Because y'all, hey at it are just a smoke, you
Speaker 1: know that? God? Yeah, yeah, yeah, those tend to work
Speaker 1: pretty good too. But yeah, I want to think you
Speaker 1: gotta throw the whole kitchen sink at them to get
Speaker 1: them to stop. Sometimes you know you got the shot
Speaker 1: in the running. If you gotta do it, you gotta
Speaker 1: do it. There you go, there you go. You practice
Speaker 1: for for a reason, right, It's right, that's right. I
Speaker 1: got a big buck hunter downstairs for a reason. Let's go.
Speaker 1: It's hilarious. So, um, let's talk about maybe a set
Speaker 1: up or a tactic for whenever there is that big pressure.
Speaker 1: Are you trying to find like funnels and escape routes
Speaker 1: whenever that kind of stuff's going on? Are you just
Speaker 1: trying to find the thickest stuff you can. That way,
Speaker 1: you're just kind of in a sanctuary or what does
Speaker 1: that look like? Yeah, kind of a mixture of the
Speaker 1: two and kind of depends on the property. But yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely finding those funnels, um where you think that they
Speaker 1: could run through, and you know, if you kind of
Speaker 1: have an idea of what that party or that neighbor
Speaker 1: is gonna do, um, you can kind of set up
Speaker 1: based on that. Otherwise I'd like to find some thick
Speaker 1: bedding cover. I mean, if the doors are gonna be there,
Speaker 1: especially with how things have kind of shaken out this year,
Speaker 1: you know, there's still some hot doors running around. So
Speaker 1: if you can find those betting areas, even if they're
Speaker 1: not you know, pushing dear, you know, there's still a
Speaker 1: really good chance that you get a buck just cruising
Speaker 1: by checking those areas. Yeah, cool man, that sounds like
Speaker 1: a good strategy, and I think you are ready to
Speaker 1: rock and roll. You still have a tag left, right, yep?
Speaker 1: So I filled my archery tag here in Wisconsin, so
Speaker 1: I still have my rifle tag though, So I've got
Speaker 1: six more days of the rifle season here. Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: hopefully we can get done nice man. That's cool. So
Speaker 1: if you had to look forward to the next week,
Speaker 1: you're kind of three the Thanksgiving holiday and had to
Speaker 1: rank buck movement on the scale of one to tea
Speaker 1: in what would you call it? Yeah, so, I definitely
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be slowing down a little bit from
Speaker 1: what we've seen in the past week, but it's not
Speaker 1: gonna be terrible. I'd put it probably around a six,
Speaker 1: just with the gun season pressure, and I think they're
Speaker 1: into starting to get, like I said, a little bit
Speaker 1: into that lockdown phase. I think they're gonna start slowing
Speaker 1: a little bit of that movement. But I mean, like
Speaker 1: I said, anything can happen this time of year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: six is a good number, man. I mean that's a
Speaker 1: good hunting day if you're thinking about you know, uh,
Speaker 1: the realistic terms, and uh we also call that the
Speaker 1: mid Midwest six now because all you Midwest. He's love
Speaker 1: to say six, I think because you're kind of like
Speaker 1: barely optimistic, but you don't want to give it too
Speaker 1: much credit, you know. So it's a coming answer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not. It's not a complete downer where you're like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going out, but it's still enough to do
Speaker 1: some Yeah, that's like the you know how the Wisconsin
Speaker 1: Badgers do at the beginning of the season, right, they
Speaker 1: kind of win a couple of games to get you
Speaker 1: going and then let you down later right too soon.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, man, Man. We appreciate the report, dude, and
Speaker 1: I hope you do find some success very soon, sir.
Speaker 1: They appreciate it, guys. Good luck to you out there
Speaker 1: all right now on the phone, I've got Daniel Powell.
Speaker 1: He's a realtor from Alabama, and he just shot a
Speaker 1: buck that I think would make most dudes and most
Speaker 1: states pretty jealous. How's it going, Daniel, It's coming pretty good.
Speaker 1: How you doing talking? I'm doing well, man, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: you know, a little worn out from the hunt this morning,
Speaker 1: but um, and it wasn't quite as successful as you've
Speaker 1: had lately. But tell me a little bit about the
Speaker 1: buck man and and uh what was he doing? I mean,
Speaker 1: I kinda want to hear about him. He looks he
Speaker 1: looks big. Now, pictures can lie one way or the
Speaker 1: other a lot of times, but he looks like a toad. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: definitely around here we would say he's a mature buck.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was. We got him scored right now,
Speaker 1: one sixty seven three quarters. We'll get us opinion on that,
Speaker 1: but right now I think he's all over one sixty
Speaker 1: eight for sure. Give him what he got, man, give
Speaker 1: him and give him all of that's right. And I
Speaker 1: really didn't have much history with this dear, I tell you.
Speaker 1: And then uh, far as what he was doing, he
Speaker 1: was traveling. This dude was a traveling deer. After talking
Speaker 1: to neighbors, because I never talked to any of the
Speaker 1: neighbors about this dear prior horse. But once it got
Speaker 1: on social media and Instagram. Two days after I killed
Speaker 1: that dear, I mean, my phone started drinking, and uh
Speaker 1: it was neighbors, you know, Collins saying they had pictures
Speaker 1: of this deer and one of them that had a
Speaker 1: majority of pictures was three miles from us, and he
Speaker 1: had them out of the October Um. So that was
Speaker 1: pretty interesting to this dear. He wasn't in my life
Speaker 1: real long. He Uh he showed up two weeks ago
Speaker 1: today and uh it was the first time I've seen
Speaker 1: them in two years. And it took about a day
Speaker 1: looking at old trail cam photos to find them. But
Speaker 1: we had him as a two and after year old deer.
Speaker 1: He was real heavy horned, and this a lot of potential,
Speaker 1: great potential, So he just cruising for those. He wasn't. Uh,
Speaker 1: he came in later behind those. But all Rudd really
Speaker 1: does to get kicked off in our area. We're right
Speaker 1: in the middle of the black Belt from kind of
Speaker 1: south southeast of Sharp, Mississippi. But we're right here in
Speaker 1: this black belt and they usually don't take off to
Speaker 1: about mid December. Yeah, that's kind of what I was wondering. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, usually you got some weird ruts there in
Speaker 1: that state, but there's you know, there are a lot
Speaker 1: of them are later. So what what what do you think?
Speaker 1: Why was he traveling so much? I think just the
Speaker 1: test off erone build up and them and uh, I
Speaker 1: don't he might have got pressured from the neighbors. They
Speaker 1: said they weren't really hunting their more rifle hunters, So
Speaker 1: I don't know if they were in a tree stand
Speaker 1: with the bow yet or not. But I don't know
Speaker 1: if he got pushed to us or he just kind
Speaker 1: of remembered from two years ago where we were. And
Speaker 1: for the last two years we've been clearing on this farm.
Speaker 1: Ground bars with dozers and trackos and whatnot, so making
Speaker 1: all kinds of racket, but that didn't seem to bother
Speaker 1: And uh he made home in one of these fingers
Speaker 1: out in the mottle of field, uh, about twenty yards
Speaker 1: wide at the thicket with the ditch running through it.
Speaker 1: And that was his bedding area. And uh he showed
Speaker 1: up one morning at seven o'clock and credit to my brother,
Speaker 1: he was running the silk camera there and he told
Speaker 1: me and he said, uh, check your phone, see if
Speaker 1: you can handle my tech. And and we haven't had
Speaker 1: a deer really worth chasing in the last few years.
Speaker 1: And I was like, til us a hundred sixty inch
Speaker 1: do you know? It's like, yeah, it's time to get Seriously,
Speaker 1: that day, I went to woods and water or place
Speaker 1: up the road has everything to do with hunting, and
Speaker 1: I had I bought no arrows, uh sent locker suit.
Speaker 1: You know, I went all out. I'm crossing all my
Speaker 1: tees on this guy, and uh, we're getting regular daylight
Speaker 1: pictures of them right before dark, right after daylight every
Speaker 1: day for the rest of that week. I didn't have
Speaker 1: a lock on or anything in there. So me and
Speaker 1: my brother went there Saturday and we hung a lock
Speaker 1: on and uh, I don't know if that pushed him
Speaker 1: out or what, because I hunted him that evening and
Speaker 1: all day the next Sunday, and uh I didn't have
Speaker 1: a picture of him ever song and so the next
Speaker 1: or the phone and Tuesday, which was last week, uh
Speaker 1: I took all work. I went down there and I
Speaker 1: got about a thousand yards away from that lock on,
Speaker 1: on the opposite end of where he was coming from.
Speaker 1: We had a good idea he was probably in that
Speaker 1: finger would be in there. So I got on the
Speaker 1: other end of that where it goes all the way
Speaker 1: down and makes a creek. Well, uh I hug my
Speaker 1: cell camera there, and by midnight that night he was
Speaker 1: in front of it. Yes, he's back. He didn't go
Speaker 1: too far. So I'm back at work and I'm looking
Speaker 1: at my phone and I'm seeing all these pictures and
Speaker 1: he was off and on from midnight. At four am, Well,
Speaker 1: I told my boss we have some duty days coming
Speaker 1: and he said, well, if you're going, he's a hunter,
Speaker 1: he said, if you're gonna go, he said, you might
Speaker 1: want to go to this evening Because I said, I'm out,
Speaker 1: and I got my climber out of my attic and
Speaker 1: I took off to our farm. And uh, I got
Speaker 1: hopped in that creek bottom and I walked about a
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards down in there until I could
Speaker 1: find a tree. There was only about one tree I
Speaker 1: could find that was plammable, and it wasn't great tree.
Speaker 1: It wasn't perfect. When I have a lot of cover,
Speaker 1: Um is this on the way to food? Or what is?
Speaker 1: What is he? What is it? So we cleared we
Speaker 1: cleared up up a lot of ash trees right here,
Speaker 1: so there's a lot of new vegetation coming up half
Speaker 1: the ground, just like wild rye and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And it's and also it's just some tender grass, and
Speaker 1: I guess that's what it what they like. I had
Speaker 1: a pinch point there because we had all the trees
Speaker 1: pushed up in windrows and there were five yards long. Well,
Speaker 1: I put the camera at the end of one of
Speaker 1: them wind rose and right on the edge of the creek.
Speaker 1: So to make it around there, he had to come
Speaker 1: through that little pinch button. And uh and that's that's
Speaker 1: what happened. He happened to do that that night, and uh,
Speaker 1: so I went in there and this tree, Like I said,
Speaker 1: it was not ideal. I got thirteen foot off the
Speaker 1: ground how as I could get and uh, and immediately
Speaker 1: I had to do on Garlan come through. And I'm
Speaker 1: not feeling a real confident about this spot. But it's
Speaker 1: the last place he was. So I see right an
Speaker 1: hour before the ark, see three bucks coming in, want
Speaker 1: the bigger ones at eight points and like two smaller
Speaker 1: cold bucks. They come in, come right in front of me,
Speaker 1: and behind them about fifteen minutes behind them, you know,
Speaker 1: probably fifty seventy yards behind them. I catch a glimpse
Speaker 1: of a big body just splitting a gas in the woods,
Speaker 1: and I was like, that's the that's mature, dear. I
Speaker 1: didn't see back. I was just like the way he's acting,
Speaker 1: walking slow, cautious. I'm thinking it's a another eight point
Speaker 1: or whatever that I get pictures of that I've seen
Speaker 1: the previous hunt. I said, he always comes in slow,
Speaker 1: it's probably him, but it wasn't. It was it was
Speaker 1: a big guy. He um. He came all the way
Speaker 1: down Whin. I had a good uh north northwest wind
Speaker 1: that day, and he got as far south of me
Speaker 1: as he could down Win and uh, he came up
Speaker 1: and I was listening to this here for thirty minutes,
Speaker 1: walking so slow. I'm cautious. He came out, Uh finally
Speaker 1: it was just like he walked into a through a doorway,
Speaker 1: just boom right there, shifting looking there and uh, anyway,
Speaker 1: I already had my bow in an hour four dark.
Speaker 1: I'm hunting this year. I grabbed my bow about four
Speaker 1: o'clock and hold on. So I already had my feet
Speaker 1: fitting everything, and I really have to do much movement
Speaker 1: besides to draw back and uh yeah, calling man. Anyway,
Speaker 1: he uh, he walked in kind of made an S
Speaker 1: shape to me, and he was pushing some of them
Speaker 1: mother bucks kind of out of the way and whatnot.
Speaker 1: And he got to I had to shoot windows when
Speaker 1: he got his head, and the first one he was
Speaker 1: about to take he did take two more steps and
Speaker 1: I was gonna draw, but one of them other bucks
Speaker 1: coughed and uh pretty loud, and it strottled me, startled
Speaker 1: the deer, and he bolted about fifty yards away from him,
Speaker 1: and I was like, you kidding, man, it it's five
Speaker 1: ten here at five ten, it's getting pretty dark. I mean,
Speaker 1: so I was like, oh gosh, this this is not
Speaker 1: gonna happen. And sure enough he eases back to me,
Speaker 1: and before he gets in that window, he stops. And
Speaker 1: I was nervous about it being too dark to see
Speaker 1: my feet socks, and I really could and his legs stopped.
Speaker 1: His front legs stopped in a gap about a foot
Speaker 1: light of these two small trees growing next to each other,
Speaker 1: and about mid distance, ten yards away from me, ten
Speaker 1: yards from him. He was in a chip shot twenty
Speaker 1: yards want perfectly brought to up. Well, I just drew back,
Speaker 1: I put my bead on the back of the front
Speaker 1: leg and just followed it up to hit that dark spot.
Speaker 1: I felt like I was on the money right there.
Speaker 1: And he's between them two trees. That was just that's awesome.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. And when he sat all running, he went
Speaker 1: up these two wind rows and uh, which is out
Speaker 1: into the open field, and I was like, personally, he's
Speaker 1: not even gonna make it to the woods. And sure
Speaker 1: enough he went a hundred and twenty yards. Well, congrats, dude,
Speaker 1: that's awesome. I mean, so you know, so you said
Speaker 1: the mid decembers of the rut Um, I guess you know,
Speaker 1: coming up here, we're looking at you'll start seeing that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I really don't call it rut until about December.
Speaker 1: You'll just say, you know, some bucks start like yesterday
Speaker 1: I saw a little buck kind of pushing a dove
Speaker 1: around it. Yeah. I don't think any of these those
Speaker 1: are coming and hate quite yet you might have something
Speaker 1: really so there's there's definitely good times ahead though, you know,
Speaker 1: I think I think you know, going going forward this week,
Speaker 1: what if you had to focus on, um something to hunt?
Speaker 1: Are you hunting um like close to a buck's bed
Speaker 1: like like you did? Are you still staying with that
Speaker 1: pattern or what are you gonna be if you have
Speaker 1: a good ideas there? Yes, hunt your win always personally,
Speaker 1: I think about your win because a buck like that
Speaker 1: they smell or see you. It's I mean, your chances
Speaker 1: go down about future sound I feel like okay? So
Speaker 1: last question here, on a scale of one to ten,
Speaker 1: if you had to rank buck movement and this next week,
Speaker 1: where do you think we're gonna be at? Uh? This
Speaker 1: next week I'd say probably a seven day eight just
Speaker 1: because it's warming up. We've had some real good cold
Speaker 1: days and not too cold because here in Alabama, if
Speaker 1: it gets too gold cook too cold, dear, will bed down? Sure,
Speaker 1: same here, yeah won't. You won't say much of them,
Speaker 1: but it's been that perfect, you know. High fifty five
Speaker 1: degree tich, six degree days, sunshine, a light frost every morning,
Speaker 1: and that's my ideal. Awesome cool. Well, thank you for
Speaker 1: hopping on, Daniel, and I appreciate the report. Man. We'll
Speaker 1: be talking to you soon. Absolutely. My good friend Patrick
Speaker 1: pay Singer has been hunting all over the country, but
Speaker 1: recently he had some real nice success in his home
Speaker 1: state of Tennessee. Patrick, what's happening, brother, Not much, not much,
Speaker 1: just uh still riding this high that I'm on, uh
Speaker 1: kind of not uh still in its belief. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: uh Patrick, if I had to describe you, I describe
Speaker 1: you as a jolly fella just in general. Man, you're
Speaker 1: always happy. And then uh, because that's like how we
Speaker 1: met you the first time. You're just smiling the whole time.
Speaker 1: It's like, that's a nice guy. And then right now,
Speaker 1: I'll bet you about as jolly as it gets for Patrick. Man, Well,
Speaker 1: thank you, brother. Yeah, my my cheeks has been hurting.
Speaker 1: I've been smiling, I'd imagine, man. So you uh, you
Speaker 1: were blessed with a really really great buck. They're uh,
Speaker 1: kind of close to home, right, Yes, yes, this was
Speaker 1: actually right on my home farm. Doesn't get any better
Speaker 1: than that. I've over the last twelve years I've I've
Speaker 1: managed this property and it's went from nothing over a
Speaker 1: hundred inches to where every year I'm getting good quality
Speaker 1: bucks and only taking this. This is the only second
Speaker 1: buck I've taken in twelve years. Would you call us
Speaker 1: East Tennessee. Yes, yes, I'm in uh in the point
Speaker 1: right right up against the Appalachian Mountains, not too far
Speaker 1: from Gallinberg Pitching Forwards, sixty miles from Asheville, North Carolina.
Speaker 1: So is it kind of hilly? Yes, I'm at the
Speaker 1: foot foot hills of Appalachian Mountains, about three or four
Speaker 1: miles pro fly. Um, this is more of the valley
Speaker 1: it is. Um, it's not flat, it's rolling, so we
Speaker 1: do have some hills, but I'm not actually in the mountains. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and this is this is kind of similar to our
Speaker 1: home where most of the I guess you'd call it
Speaker 1: agg is actually just hay pasture, right, yes, yes, Um,
Speaker 1: for years it was hay pasture, cattle pasture. We're getting
Speaker 1: a little bit more crops going on, but um, mostly
Speaker 1: not your good deer habitat. So what have you been
Speaker 1: focusing on? Uh? As far as hunting deer? If there's
Speaker 1: no you know, is there is there a bed to
Speaker 1: food source that you're working with or what are you
Speaker 1: looking at when you go out and you're trying to
Speaker 1: kill a deer this time of year? Well if if
Speaker 1: if it's public or somewhere that you can't manage, what
Speaker 1: you're wanting to look for is acorns because we've got
Speaker 1: a lot of timber is trying to find those acorns
Speaker 1: are feeding on. You can find an agg field that's
Speaker 1: being cut, focus on that. Um, those are the couple
Speaker 1: of things you want to focus on. That's where you're
Speaker 1: going to find the dose is either cut agg or
Speaker 1: on the acorns. Yeah. And then I'm assuming you guys
Speaker 1: do quite a bit of planting food plots and stuff
Speaker 1: like that throughout the year on different places and it's
Speaker 1: no different there at home, right, Yes? Yes, um, we
Speaker 1: we typically I plant mossy oak biologic and I like
Speaker 1: the clover, oats and radishes. Never had really good luck
Speaker 1: with turnips, but especially clover and oats. It just seems
Speaker 1: like it doesn't get cold enough here. If they hit turnips,
Speaker 1: it's usually into February March and a lot of them
Speaker 1: will wrought. So I usually don't plant that. And you
Speaker 1: recently killed what maybe the county record there, and I
Speaker 1: would assume he's pretty close to that food plot there.
Speaker 1: Huh yes, sir, Um, yeah, I was blessed to kill. Um.
Speaker 1: He's gonna gross right at right under one one seventy
Speaker 1: eight and two eights And our record previously from night
Speaker 1: to two thousand and eight was hundred forty eight inch,
Speaker 1: so such a huge jump. Um. Yeah, I've improved the
Speaker 1: quality but everything here at my house over the years.
Speaker 1: It's took twelve years, but uh timber, I fended some
Speaker 1: of the hardwoods down um let one field that's a
Speaker 1: couple of acres just grow up basically CRP for betting
Speaker 1: and cover. And then next to that I'll plant the
Speaker 1: biologic probably just a half acre. They don't spend a
Speaker 1: lot of time in there, but it gives them something green,
Speaker 1: something to eat. And then next to it, the farmer
Speaker 1: will leave about an acre of standing beans for me.
Speaker 1: That's where the deer this time of year ends up,
Speaker 1: is in the standing beings. So this time of year,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of shifting going on, you know, depending
Speaker 1: on where you at. You're kind of on the cusp
Speaker 1: of the south, in the in the Midwest there, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the ruts kind of changing. It might be
Speaker 1: getting kind of post rut. And then also you have
Speaker 1: some different seasons coming in and uh, I know you
Speaker 1: you you embrace the gun season that comes around and
Speaker 1: make the most of it. Right, Do you change your
Speaker 1: tactics some when every gun season comes around. Yes, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't want in there super tight. Um. I want
Speaker 1: to give myself a little bit of a buffer, you know.
Speaker 1: I like that E D E two a hundred yards back, uh,
Speaker 1: to give him room. And and where this deer was,
Speaker 1: he was in the CRP, right on the edge of
Speaker 1: the hardwoods. There was no way of getting in there.
Speaker 1: So the closest I could get was on the creek
Speaker 1: with the biologic in front of me and then the
Speaker 1: CRP on the other side, setting back overlooking that CRP.
Speaker 1: And that was a transition he was walking through. The
Speaker 1: c RP would come through the biologic going to the
Speaker 1: beans behind me. So if I would have been setting
Speaker 1: into beans, I probably wouldn't have shot him because he
Speaker 1: didn't get to me until about ten minutes of light
Speaker 1: lesson many kind of late movement there. So as we
Speaker 1: look forward to kind of like this Thanksgiving holiday weekend
Speaker 1: time time period, what do you predict the buck movement
Speaker 1: to be like in Tennessee. I think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: really good. Um, it's gonna get a little bit warmer.
Speaker 1: I wish it was colder. Um. I see that it
Speaker 1: looks like maybe up in the fifties for a couple
Speaker 1: of highs um. But traditionally, the thing with Tennessee is is,
Speaker 1: you know, we've got the three Stars. We've got Eastern, Middle,
Speaker 1: and Western. So we're such diverse because we're such a
Speaker 1: hm uh east to west state. Typically it seems like
Speaker 1: here in East Tennessee, the some of the best rut
Speaker 1: is from Thanksgiving through the first week of December, And
Speaker 1: a lot of people get caught up here because they
Speaker 1: see uhty buck running doze the first week in November
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, they're rutting. Well, I typically don't
Speaker 1: see the big boys in from now when I killed
Speaker 1: until that first end of the first week of December.
Speaker 1: So so I think a lot of people have got
Speaker 1: a good opportunity at those big mature bucks, good times
Speaker 1: ahead of his man turkey, potato salad and all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, and then just gets So if you
Speaker 1: had to rank one to ten, what would you call
Speaker 1: it for the next week, I'd say a good solid eight,
Speaker 1: solid eight. Maybe let's go I like it. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: that's uh yeah, yeah, well cool man. Congrats on the
Speaker 1: giant buck, dude, and appreciate the time and the report
Speaker 1: and the friendship. Man. Uh just can't thank you enough.
Speaker 1: And and it's just cool to see you know, uh,
Speaker 1: nice people having having fun and shooting deer and just
Speaker 1: getting out in God's creation. Man. So congratulations, thank you brother.
Speaker 1: Nothing like seeing the Creator through his creation. It's exactly right, brother,
Speaker 1: and and very blessed to call you guys my friend.
Speaker 1: Thanks Patrick. Yes, sir, we have got Jimmy Shyy on
Speaker 1: the phone now. He is a hunter in Pennsylvania. Jimmy,
Speaker 1: what's been happening, dude? It's been off and on lately.
Speaker 1: It's what I would say, Yeah thoughts, Uh, you're moving
Speaker 1: around and then all of a sudden the quit or
Speaker 1: what there's a spotty where I'm where I've been hunting
Speaker 1: you you're on them one day and then they're going
Speaker 1: the next. Of what I've been seeing, I think it's
Speaker 1: because you just take time off and go take pictures
Speaker 1: of those gihnt elkoho all the time. I think that's
Speaker 1: what what's happening to you? You know that could that
Speaker 1: could also be a fard of it too, plain that
Speaker 1: in work. Yeah, it always gets in the White Man
Speaker 1: dead gum it. Oh yeah, I know. So. Uh it's uh,
Speaker 1: you know mid tolight November rotten. Now, Um, what has
Speaker 1: been happening in the deer woods up there? The deer
Speaker 1: still kind of rutting or they chasing those around or
Speaker 1: is it a little different than that. I've been seeing
Speaker 1: a lot of routten activity here, especially I work night
Speaker 1: shifts and we have a lot of agg fields where
Speaker 1: I work, so there's a lot of deer. So I've
Speaker 1: been seeing a lot of bucks chasing still, and even
Speaker 1: while hunting, I've seen a few like you know, looking
Speaker 1: for dose myself and passed up a couple of bucks
Speaker 1: here in the last week. Our archery season just ended
Speaker 1: the past Friday, so I hunted that last week pretty
Speaker 1: hard and passed up a couple of bucks. And I
Speaker 1: might kick myself in a butt for later. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: it's always a tough choice for sure. What's the weather
Speaker 1: been like lately? Um, it's been very very cold the
Speaker 1: last couple of days. I've got a real big snow
Speaker 1: storm to begin the week. There is that very cold
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania style or Texas style, I'd say Pennsylvanias. I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: your day it was like real feel of like five
Speaker 1: degrees that terrible. It's pretty cold. We don't really see
Speaker 1: that every year here. So when that happens, does that
Speaker 1: change deer movement much? From what I see? For me? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I definitely noticed a lot of deer like they don't
Speaker 1: seem to move as far. I mean, I still saw
Speaker 1: a couple of bucks that were like kind of like
Speaker 1: small young box looking for does, But I think a
Speaker 1: lot of the mature box kind of definitely hang out
Speaker 1: with the does and bed dose don't move a lot
Speaker 1: from their bedding areas. So if you're going to hunt
Speaker 1: that approaches, does it feel like mornings or evenings are
Speaker 1: better when those deer aren't moving very far? I'm I'm
Speaker 1: seeing more movement in the mornings is what I've noticed. Definitely,
Speaker 1: Like first light for the first couple of hours, you know,
Speaker 1: to like nine in the morning or so, and then
Speaker 1: it kind of dies off. What kind of movement is
Speaker 1: it like cruising bucks movement or just overall deer movement
Speaker 1: like to and from food sources or what do you
Speaker 1: I just think it's I just think it's more overall
Speaker 1: just deer movement from food sources, getting off, moving around,
Speaker 1: getting warm a little bit and getting a little bit deat,
Speaker 1: and then you know the buck hanging out, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure a few bucks are still chasing around even at
Speaker 1: that time. You said, well, we go that there's a
Speaker 1: lot of egg fields around. What's the primary egg food
Speaker 1: source in your area? In my area probably would be
Speaker 1: oaks a lot. We have a lot of like red oak,
Speaker 1: and our my area where I hunt primarily spotty white oak.
Speaker 1: This year wasn't a super good years. A lot of
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of areas were kind of dead
Speaker 1: because we had a big gypsy moth infestation that's really
Speaker 1: killed a lot of the trees. So we saw some
Speaker 1: of those a few years ago, like I coat the
Speaker 1: bark in their caterpillars and stuff. Right, it's kind of gross. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really gross and really bad for acorns. So now
Speaker 1: the reds do well, those well, those acorns last like
Speaker 1: for several more weeks or you know, a couple of months,
Speaker 1: or they pretty much die out as a food source.
Speaker 1: They I'm sure spots still last, but I mean, from
Speaker 1: what I see, by the time our gun seasons get in,
Speaker 1: the pressure really turns up. Because we have really bad
Speaker 1: hard pressure here in p A. I mean, the deer
Speaker 1: really quick. End of looking at it, A lot of
Speaker 1: you know, they kind of go to thick areas to
Speaker 1: start just browsing. Yeah, so they're just uh, they'll just
Speaker 1: be eating like woody browse out in the woods. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just yeah, a little you know, a little bushes and
Speaker 1: a lot of I know, like Japanese I forgot exactly
Speaker 1: called some kind of Japanese like a little berry bush.
Speaker 1: It's invasive here in pre day a lot of places.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't I don't remember what it's called.
Speaker 1: But it's a little dinky bush has a little red berries.
Speaker 1: They really love that. Really a lot of spikes on it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not good for us, good for them. So as as
Speaker 1: the pressure ramps up there with a gun season, are
Speaker 1: you shifting your focus kind of more of those deep holes.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's exactly my game plan. My game plan is
Speaker 1: to get where other guys either can't or won't go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean getting that fixed stuff. And you know you
Speaker 1: might not be able to see, you know, with a
Speaker 1: with the rifle. You know, you can't see that two
Speaker 1: yards or whatever, and you don't see fifty. But that's
Speaker 1: where that you're going to be, and that's what they
Speaker 1: gotta that's what they're gonna be, is where you should be. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. Man. Cool. So as we kind of look
Speaker 1: towards this, uh you know, looking forward to it, maybe
Speaker 1: the start of what people would call late season, right,
Speaker 1: so kind of end of lockdown, post rut top stuff. Um,
Speaker 1: what do you expect the Bucks to be doing? Mostly? Um,
Speaker 1: I think here in p A, I think you're gonna
Speaker 1: see a little surge once the first week a Rightful
Speaker 1: ends here, next week right Fight opens this coming Saturday,
Speaker 1: and after the first initial burst of people, you know
Speaker 1: in the woods, I think you'll see a little burst
Speaker 1: of rut coming right back. And I think you'll see
Speaker 1: some box cruising around looking for the last few days,
Speaker 1: you know, and looking for the end of the end
Speaker 1: of the rut type phase is I think you'll see
Speaker 1: a little more movement. Is the Japanese barberry? Is that
Speaker 1: what it is? That would be it? So that's what
Speaker 1: people need the key in on going going Flarida. It's
Speaker 1: an invasive landscaping now can now considered are actually banned
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania. But yeah, we had a lot of cool minds.
Speaker 1: That's what they use. They use the cheap stuff like that,
Speaker 1: the black locusts and the barberry, and they plant that
Speaker 1: edge just spreads like crazy. All right, well it's illegal,
Speaker 1: but don't tell the plans of the deer. Okay. If
Speaker 1: if you had to rank what you predict the deer
Speaker 1: movement to be, like specifically the buck movement over the
Speaker 1: next week, on a scale of one to team, what
Speaker 1: would you think it would be? I'd say natural movement
Speaker 1: a five and pressure movement probably in eight. Really you
Speaker 1: like the pressure. So, I mean we have a lot
Speaker 1: of pressure in public lands here, a lot of people
Speaker 1: and I mean you know, there's not a lot of
Speaker 1: places that aren't other than the real fixed stuff. A
Speaker 1: lot of places aren't gonna be peopleless. I should say, wow,
Speaker 1: that's cool, man. I haven't ever thought about the pressure
Speaker 1: like making hunting that much better. So that's exciting. Man,
Speaker 1: It's a good time to be a hunting sounds like that,
Speaker 1: sounds like I'm hoping to be anyway. Well, dude, I
Speaker 1: hope you find a real big one this upcoming weekend. Man,
Speaker 1: thanks for the report. Ye, thank you. Sounds like an
Speaker 1: exciting time to be in the deer woods. I know
Speaker 1: a lot of you're in despair because the ruts over.
Speaker 1: But guess what it's not, alright, dear, season is isn't over.
Speaker 1: The deer have to exist somewhere in that place is
Speaker 1: out in the wild country, so you need to get
Speaker 1: there as quick as you can. A couple of things
Speaker 1: to maybe help you, inspire you, or get you excited
Speaker 1: or just past the time. The Element has a new
Speaker 1: ground hunting video from Kansas where I can put a
Speaker 1: stock on a giant buck that I have a lot
Speaker 1: of history with, and man, big bucks just do big
Speaker 1: buck things. That's all I'm gonna say. Also, Tony Peterson
Speaker 1: has a new video out on camping on a hunt
Speaker 1: and some of the things you may or may not
Speaker 1: want to consider doing while you're on that hunt. It's
Speaker 1: on the Wired Hunt channel. And the last thing you
Speaker 1: need to do this week, guys, is to be thankful
Speaker 1: for the blessings that you have. All Right, it's Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: good time to think about that kind of stuff. Be
Speaker 1: appreciative for the creation that we have around us, and
Speaker 1: thankful for the deer we get to hunt, and the
Speaker 1: families we have, and the people that are around us
Speaker 1: that support us and help us do what we love
Speaker 1: to do. And we want to thank you guys as
Speaker 1: well for helping us do what we love to do,
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Speaker 1: Keep you fresh.