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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to String of Turtles, the only podcast

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Speaker 1: about Pepperonia prostrata, a tiny, succulent native plant that you

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Speaker 1: can be growing yourself. And this podcast is entirely devoted

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Speaker 1: to that plant. That is the podcast you're listening to.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and that's my intro. It

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Speaker 1: was so good. Why did you Why why did you

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Speaker 1: lead with that? Macie? Well, I've been thinking about how

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Speaker 1: I should just This is how I'm going to start

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Speaker 1: pitching podcasts. Is just introduced podcast as if it's those

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Speaker 1: podcasts I mean, I mean strong first pitch as that

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Speaker 1: is my favorite plant playing to my audience. I'll send

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Speaker 1: you I'll send you a picture of what that is

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Speaker 1: James later. Yeah, please, I'm always excited to learn more

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Speaker 1: about plants. Well, or you're listening to Cool People Did

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Speaker 1: Cool Stuff, a twice weekly podcast about all the greatest

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Speaker 1: people in history, including a String of Turtles with me

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Speaker 1: today as my guest is James, who is actually not

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Speaker 1: the guest but the host. The guest host, James. Everybody,

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Speaker 1: I just went full late night on us. James. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm walking out. I'm going to sit

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Speaker 1: on the sofa yeah, I mean that you should feel

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Speaker 1: I need to install like a podcasting sofa and that

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Speaker 1: full support, and it would explain why you're wearing a

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Speaker 1: three piece suit. I was surprised, I was. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm just swearing it is how I feel safe and comfortable. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 1: as we've implied, James is going to be telling me

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Speaker 1: to be talking about for the full proper reverse experience. James. Yeah, good,

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Speaker 1: I get to surprise you. People who have listened to

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Speaker 1: the other things that we've done together will be both

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Speaker 1: both shocked and amazed to hear that that this one

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Speaker 1: is based in Spain. Yeah, that's what I do. So

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Speaker 1: What I want to ask you, Margaret, is what do

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Speaker 1: you think? What do you make of the Olympics. As

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Speaker 1: That's what I know about the Olympics. But I also

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Speaker 1: structure that that brings them best to do it is

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Speaker 1: deeply uncool. And I think, yeah, your ark is very

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Speaker 1: much like mine, except that my PhD was procerally funded

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Speaker 1: My break up with your Olympic gates that the International

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Speaker 1: little bit of what we're going to talk about today, right,

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Speaker 1: So this is they were talking about the Olympics and

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Speaker 1: one of the events you shin kicking, which is that

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Speaker 1: But in reality they really celebrate the shared interests of

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Speaker 1: and I know that the go ahead. Yeah, then ends

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Speaker 1: with them are getting England, which that will happen. Uh.

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Speaker 1: So it wasn't a call uncommon for anarchist cops and

427
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Speaker 1: high guns acting on part of employers to get into

428
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Speaker 1: shootouts in the raval working class neighborhood they called the

429
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Speaker 1: Bardi Chenz, which means Chinatown, not because there was any

430
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Speaker 1: particular concentration of Asia or Chinese people there, but because

431
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Speaker 1: they've seen gangster films about Chicago's Chinatown and figured they

432
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 1: had kind of the same vibe, which they kind of

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Speaker 1: love for them. So one way, the Catalan government did

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Speaker 1: try and reach out to the anarchists working class was

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Speaker 1: through sport. Okay, Both anarchists and liberals, as well as

436
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: a smaller socialists and communist factions, had a history of

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Speaker 1: organized sports in Barcelona. The Catalan Olympic Committee predated the

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Speaker 1: Spanish one, and Catalan teams had helped to advance, accord

439
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Speaker 1: to Catlin nationalism wall around Europe. But the e f

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Speaker 1: c U sport kind of differently. It wasn't about like

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Speaker 1: elite sport. It wasn't about like sending your national team

442
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: of like sporting freaks somewhere else. It was using sport

443
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: to bring working people into its its Catalan project, right, Okay,

444
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: Anakist sports slightly different. Anarchist sport had always praised itself

445
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: more in terms of public health. They were bigger to

446
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Speaker 1: teach your kids to swim so they wouldn't drown, And

447
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: they were really big into the eradication of tuberculosis. Actually,

448
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 1: the anarchists, Yeah, yeah, fun tuberculosis. Yeah, let's the official

449
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 1: stance of this podcast. That's all of cool Zone media

450
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: were an anti fuberculosis, which still kills a bunch of people.

451
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I had no idea it kills so many

452
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 1: people just because of different levels of access to care

453
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: found not in certain parts of the world anyway. Yeah,

454
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: it's bastard in its way. I have to get a

455
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Speaker 1: chest X ray every time I wanted to teach at

456
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Speaker 1: New University, okay, because you have to pass the tuberculos

457
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Speaker 1: test to teach in California. And I guess that's fair. Yeah,

458
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Speaker 1: I've been vaccinated, so I don't pass the test. See. Instead,

459
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: they're just like take some of these rays and you

460
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: know you're not. You're looking at it like if I

461
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: get cancer, please to them. Okay, so um. And it

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Speaker 1: supports also about this idea of the three eights, right,

463
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Speaker 1: which I'm sure you've talked about before. I can't remember

464
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Speaker 1: the three I don't think so okay lost tress or

465
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Speaker 1: just the three eights is like three hours for work,

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Speaker 1: three hours for work, eight hours for work, yeahs for

467
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: like sleeping, and then eight hours for playing self improvements

468
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: of education. These guys are fiercely educated, like the Catalan

469
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: anarchists are amazing like autodidacts. They're reading like all the

470
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: Their theory comes from working people educating themselves in each other, right,

471
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: and they're super big on speaking Esperanto, yeah, which yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't think we've spoken about this before, but it's

473
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: so cool. They're like, well, the thing that's holding back

474
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Speaker 1: the global working classes kind of talk to each other.

475
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Speaker 1: So we've gotta learn Esperanto, and and so they would

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Speaker 1: teach themselves esperanto. The only person I've met who told

477
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Speaker 1: me that he spoke esperanto was the Dutch squatter lawyer

478
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: who wore a like huge fur coat and was super gay.

479
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: At like every squad action he ruled. He was always

480
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: like the police liaison and he would just like go

481
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Speaker 1: up and talk to the cops, probably not in Esperanto

482
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: because it's the working class language. Yeah, you shouldn't done.

483
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: He could have just drive it out. Yeah anyway. Yeah,

484
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Speaker 1: So the two e f C and anarchist concepts of

485
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Speaker 1: sport met in this thing called popular sport, which is

486
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Speaker 1: kind of like the popular Front, right, Okay, it's not

487
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,239
Speaker 1: the socialist and workers Socialist workers sport was pretty much

488
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: limited to socialists. Communist spark tackiads are for communists, right,

489
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Speaker 1: popular sport the idea was for everyone, and the idea

490
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Speaker 1: was for people just to get healthy. Have found it

491
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Speaker 1: like this is a time in the thirties where people

492
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Speaker 1: going like are dying very quickly because of the jobs

493
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Speaker 1: they are doing, right, Like, it's Barcelona is a very

494
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Speaker 1: industrial town. Catalonia is more industrial than the rest of Spain,

495
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: and their jobs are killing them. Okay, were they shin kicking? Yeah?

496
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Speaker 1: That was the shin kicking factory. Really, it's a short career, rock. Yeah,

497
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: it's not as short as you are once your shins

498
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: get kicked off, I guess. Oh yeah, bang my gong.

499
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: Things weren't really going so well in Berlin, so real

500
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: history buffs may be aware that the Fimar Republic did

501
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: not in fact make it. Instead, the country was under

502
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Speaker 1: the increasingly ironclad fist of Madison Cawthorne's favorite author, Adolf Hitler.

503
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: He used to be my fucking politician where used to live?

504
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, okay, well I'm glad he's not anymore. Yeah. Sorry.

505
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: Despite this dramatic pivot for Germany, the IOC saw no

506
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Speaker 1: reason to take the games away, okay, which is like

507
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: such an interesting inversion, right, because they show up at

508
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: a monarchy and they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I don't

509
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: know about this democracy ship. That's a little messy. Let's

510
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: go to that democracy and then that democracy becomes an autocracy,

511
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: and they're like, that's that's shure, that's fine. Yeah, it's

512
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: called the trains run on time famously, so it's fine,

513
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: which they didn't but no, no, yeah, but that's it's

514
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: it's more about what we tell ourselves, isn't it. Across

515
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Speaker 1: the world, people decided that taking an international event which

516
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Speaker 1: claimed to be about fraternity and fair play to a

517
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: regime that explicitly about anti semitism and fascism wasn't a

518
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: good idea actually, m and so this boycott movement begins

519
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: to coalesce in the United States. It's really cool. Actually,

520
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: it brings together like liberal Catholics, Jewish groups, Communists, and most,

521
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: if not all, of the black press and black political organizations. Okay,

522
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: it really coalesces these these groups in in a way

523
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Speaker 1: that hadn't they hadn't done before. And in the U

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Speaker 1: S they're very very nearly succeeded in achieving a boyco Actually,

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Speaker 1: the US very nearly boycotted the Olympics, and if the

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Speaker 1: U S had, like I've looked at British Cabinet papers

527
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Speaker 1: about this, Britain was like by Olympics for an American

528
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Speaker 1: thing in two. L A had hosted the olymp picks

529
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: and like it was amazing. It was very l A.

530
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: The Olympic village was patrolled by cowboys and funded by

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Speaker 1: real estate speculators, which is the most l A thing. Right.

532
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Speaker 1: The pentathlon is now no more swords. You just have

533
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Speaker 1: to shoot the guns wall on the horses, you know.

534
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: General MacArthur competed in the modern pentathlon earlier Olympics, but

535
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Speaker 1: with just qualifacts. He was using a handgun so large

536
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Speaker 1: that they couldn't tell if he'd shot a good grouping

537
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: or just destroyed the target. Rules again, Yeah, it was

538
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: kind of a chad move. Just the shotgun. Fucky, you're

539
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: just turning up with a hand cannon and yeah, I'm

540
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: taking the whole target ten feet backwards every time. So

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Speaker 1: this is where our boy Every brandage comes in, right,

542
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: every brand age leads to don't boycott movement. I guess, okay,

543
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: it's I don't think he went into the let's go

544
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Speaker 1: to the Olympics. Nine Nazi Germany things an anti sem

545
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: might be. He sure as funk came out as one. Okay.

546
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: He becomes convinced that he's being taken down by a

547
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: Jewish communist plot that that's a quote from him. He

548
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: which is I think it used to be able to

549
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: say in an interview to the newspapers and just still

550
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: become chair of the International Olympic Committee later. I'm just

551
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: laughing as the thing that is always funny is not

552
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: the right world, but I'm gonna use it. Funny about

553
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: anti Semitism is that it's it's Schrodinger's capitalist you know,

554
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: like the Jewish person is either a capitalist or a communist,

555
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: whichever one you hate. That's what they are. Yeah, yeah,

556
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: Sing is a bad guy. Yeah. So to find out

557
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: what was going on in Germany, every brand, a dude

558
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: who didn't speak German decided to take a fact finding

559
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: tour around Nazi Germany accompanied by Nazi Germans. It's shocking,

560
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: pure unfiltered truth. Yeah. He just went in there like

561
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: like so many cringey journalists, you try and do that.

562
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: I can't. So through his trans eighty discussions translated by

563
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: his Nazi mind, he didn't see any red flags, shockingly,

564
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: and he became a strong supporter of keeping politics out

565
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: of sport, which is always a way of moting the

566
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: status quare right. It's always bullshit in Europe. The Olympic

567
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: movement didn't really bother with reaching out to like national

568
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: Olympic committees that were all run by counts and marquees

569
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: and things, but they just got on with taking their

570
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: alternative setting up an alternative. So I realized that we

571
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: are like two thousand words in now, but this is

572
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: where we give us to talk about the thing that

573
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Speaker 1: we're talking about. To say, the thing that we're talking about, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's called the Popular Olympics. We touched on it in

575
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Speaker 1: the Spanish Civil War episodes, so I'm really excited to

576
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: learn more about it. Chess and yeah, there was no

577
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: shin kicking, there was human human tower building. I love

578
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: that we're like thirty minutes in, here's what we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, this is this is my like perpetual lot

580
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: as a recovering academic. That's where you're like, I'm reading

581
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: all about these autodiet acts. They're so like, I know,

582
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: if I know one thing, I know that James is

583
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: not about to compliment academia. I know that it can

584
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: fuck off. But as I did for me, yeah, yeah,

585
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: you know what you shouldn't abandon and walk away from

586
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: after after ten years of wasting your life turtles. Yeah,

587
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: they don't abandon the turtle. Because I've been thinking about this,

588
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: and I've been thinking about how it really is a

589
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: new year and it's time for a new sponsor. Here

590
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: are cool people did cool stuff. And I'm not gonna

591
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: stop loving potatoes. I'm not gonna stop growing potatoes badly,

592
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: but turtles. What if? My what if my Instagram turning

593
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 1: message in box was full of memes about turtles instead

594
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: of memes about potatoes. I'm tired of the potato memes.

595
00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Videos Watching turtles eat food is one of

596
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: the most beautiful things on this planet. You know, they

597
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: also do eat potatoes. As soon as I oh, I

598
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: told someone I was going to do this and they

599
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: were like, and they immediately sent me a meme oft

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Speaker 1: potato and I'm like, that's that counts. This does warm

601
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: my heart. I stopped in a bike race wants to

602
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: rescue a turtle hero. It was upside down. He won

603
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Speaker 1: the real that at the end they gave you an award. Now, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you've met bike people, Margaret and hit

605
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Speaker 1: their shins themselves. No, no, they said that organization. It's

606
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: not given me any woods. I turned out their name

607
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 1: was extremely racist, and it's probably well let's let's let's

608
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: hear from the turtles. We're back, and yeah, turtle wax

609
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: made some turtles. So in Europe, as I said, right,

610
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: they they had a little conference actually in Paris in

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Speaker 1: April of nineteen thirty six, and this conference welcomed people

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Speaker 1: from the workers Sport movement who actually weren't going to

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00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: Germany because Germany was in the process of violently suppressing

614
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: any workers movements. Yeah, Jewish groups who weren't going to Germany.

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Speaker 1: They don't think we have to explain that one. Anti

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00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: fascists similarly, and some genuinely concerned liberals, like there were

617
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: a few liberals who were like, yeah, it doesn't seem right. Uh,

618
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: something up with those Germans, especially the Nazi Germans. They

619
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Speaker 1: all meet in Paris at this confidence international conference with

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Speaker 1: the respect of the Olympic ideal, which it's very clear

621
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Speaker 1: that they know that the Olympic ideal is bullshit because

622
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: they write about it being bullshit before and after. But

623
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Speaker 1: they they're quite smart in being like, hey, you're not

624
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: doing the thing you said you would do, Like we're

625
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: going to call you out of the ship activists never

626
00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: a change. It was I think quite smart and I

627
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: think it probably Yeah, it brings in some liberals who

628
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Speaker 1: who may have not wanted to play with the anarchists otherwise,

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Speaker 1: So in April they come to the enimous decision. Instead

630
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Speaker 1: the Catalans, the people who wanted to host the games anyway,

631
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: had all the stadia to do it, they should host

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Speaker 1: the games. That's right, Yeah, it does. The problem is

633
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Speaker 1: it's April, and it's not possible to do anything in

634
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: Spain in August because it's not a month that people work,

635
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: and that is a good thing. But they yeah, you

636
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: take August off. It's not working, is good, not being

637
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: productive to capitalism. It is a way to spend your

638
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: time that is laudable. And so they have to do

639
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: it in a summer. So they're going to do it

640
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: in July, right, They want to get there ahead of

641
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: the Berlin Games, so that gives them three months to

642
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: organized Olympiad, which sports fans will know it's not really long.

643
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: So by this time the Popular Front policy of the

644
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 1: Soviet Union in the comment Tern had resulted in alliance

645
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: of leftists and Borgia liberals against fasciston By May a

646
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: Popular Front coalition of leftists and anti fascist parties helped

647
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: power in France, Spain and Catalonia, so they all came

648
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: together to support the games. So normally at the Olympics,

649
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: nations compete for prowess, right at this Olympics they co operated.

650
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: So Spain and France paid three hundred thousand Pacentos, Catalonia

651
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand. And the facilities were already there. They've

652
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: been used for the World's Fair, which is another gathering

653
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: of the transnational bourgeoisie. Yeah, and some really really weird

654
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: racist stuff happened at those, which will talk about another time.

655
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: So they had the facilities already, They had a hotel

656
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: which they renamed the Hotel Olympic, and they started refitting

657
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: it to house as many people as possible. They want

658
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: to read a little bit from one of the letters

659
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: they sent out trying to recruit people, right, they were

660
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: very quickly they were like, uh, this this is big.

661
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: Then we have to have to people who can actually compete.

662
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: So it is necessary to give a practical demonstration of

663
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: the international anti fascist sport. And it is just this

664
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: that the People's Olympiad is going to do. Popular Old

665
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: people's like the same thing. I prefer popular actually the

666
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: organizing committing one of their letters. So what they're trying

667
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 1: to do here is they're trying to show the ability

668
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: of the Popular Front to organize and the strength of

669
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: the Popular Front, right, Like we're not just a few

670
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: like old socialists men like smoking pipes in rooms talking

671
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: about a popular front, Like we have thousands of young

672
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: people who will kick your ass when we when we

673
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: do a war. Yeah, oh I never even thought about that.

674
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: How it's like a flexing. It's like no, no, no,

675
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: you don't understand. There's a big war coming between fascism

676
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: and anti fascism, and we're gonna win. Yes, we will

677
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: take Like I mean, if you look at many of

678
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: the modern Olympic traditions, right the opening ceremony with the flags,

679
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: the national anthems have done when the medal is awarded,

680
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: these are creations of Carl D. M a Nazi German

681
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: like and it's very specifically to be like we we

682
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: are the alphas here, we will kill you. They last. Yeah,

683
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: they didn't win, not win famously there for two in

684
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: World Wars. So the poor stets, the the infrastructure of

685
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: the games communicates a message, right, you've got Beijing had

686
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: a bird's nest. Berlin had a bell tower with this

687
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: bell that summoned the youth of the world on it

688
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: engraved in it. I told you l A had the

689
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: Olympic Village controlled by cowboys and sold off by real

690
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: estate developers. But but Lind's Olympic Village is kind of interesting.

691
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: How did the volunteer pilots of the Condor Legion? Do

692
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: you know the Condor Legion, O Margaret, they're the ones

693
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: who ended up bomb in northern Spain during the Civil War.

694
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: They are, Yeah, they're the first. That's not true to

695
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 1: say that they're the first people of the carpet bomb

696
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: cities in Europe. Oh so nice people. They were living

697
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: at the Olympic Village in Balin. I mean, while Barcelona

698
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: didn't have Olympic Village, so you used the stadium they

699
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: already had and the ability to athletes wherever they could.

700
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: You can see one of the things I found in

701
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: the archive, which is kind of cool. It's just a

702
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: little questionnaire that they put through people's doors and be like,

703
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: we are having an anti fat Olympics. Would you like

704
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: to host someone? How many beds do you have do

705
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: you have a sofa? It's really sweet and you can

706
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: take sweet. I'll give them breakfast and like they would

707
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: be compensated accordingly, right, And this is okay, I really

708
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: like because it's like you can actually organize things in

709
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: a decentralized way. It's still an organizational system, like people

710
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: will be like the only way to organize as you

711
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: set up a village, and you like otherwise it's just

712
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: pure chaos, and instead you have these organizational systems that

713
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: harness chaos. You just are like, okay, well, yeah, we'll

714
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: go around and ask every that rules instead of like

715
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. And that's a weird minor point, but

716
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: that that seems like an important way of doing it. Yeah.

717
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 1: Everything they did with like this, everything they did was

718
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: communal and sort of like ground up organized. It was

719
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 1: organized by an organizing committee that comprised some government officials,

720
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: a lot of union officials, and then people from these

721
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: various sports organizations. So they did it like you would

722
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: do your your union stuff. Um so the French rail unions,

723
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: for instance, also club together and they won't got a

724
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: charge anyone coming through France on the trains, right like free?

725
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: Then yeah, it was amazing everyone who they could travel

726
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: on the trams free in Barcelona because the Transport Union

727
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: were down with it with the Olympics, Like, they could

728
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: eat for free in various places. So what if we

729
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: had a whole society built on this idea? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

730
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: well we would tried, didn't we really? Yeah, we tried,

731
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: really tried. So they could take free buses around town.

732
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: The stadium held seventy two people, the Botanical Garden for

733
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: another venue, and they had a network of esperantist translators

734
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: right to bridge the language gaps between participants, so that yeah,

735
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: it's very cool. And the last living participant in the

736
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: Popular Olympics with a guy called it Guidor Vivanco's he

737
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: was an esperantist and he died last year in Canada

738
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: before I was able to go and meet him because

739
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 1: of the pandemic. He was living in an old folks home. Yeah, yeah,

740
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: but this is deeply cool guy who's like he was.

741
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: He was sixteen when the Popula Olympics happened, right he was,

742
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: he'd already tat himself esperanto. He was out there trying

743
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: to translate, so you know, working people of the world

744
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 1: could could meet each other and then obviously gets swept

745
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 1: up into Spanish Civil War ends up living in Canada.

746
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,959
Speaker 1: Like to his dying day, remained dedicated to this idea

747
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: that if we could all speak one language and the

748
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: working people of the world would stick up for one another.

749
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's it's it's sad that we've kind of

750
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: lost that a little bit along the way. Yeah, and

751
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: and and from a bottom up point of view, right,

752
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: instead of like a top down organization being like you

753
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: now everyone, because like we have this like English is

754
00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: becoming the ironically Lingua franco, but like that's this like

755
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: top down imperial and position versus this idea of like

756
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: this thing that can connect us, even if it's like

757
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: I don't know how the Esperanto saw it, but in

758
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: my mind it would be like beautiful if it was.

759
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: Instead of being like this is everyone's first language, it's

760
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 1: like this is everyone's second language. This is how everyone

761
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: can cross reference and connect without abandoning your culture and identity.

762
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: Yeah that's what. Yeah, Esperanto is definitely like it's not

763
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: supposed to be like your primary language, and it's very simple,

764
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: it's very easy to speak, and it gets designed to

765
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 1: facilitate that communication without taking a place in another language.

766
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: It's really cool. Yeah, Olympics were very much a other

767
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 1: place where gender equality was celebrated at lea started Berlin.

768
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: Right after watching women's world record break on the track

769
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: in one reporter for the Pittsburgh Press wrote, it was

770
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: not a very edifying spectacle to see a group of

771
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: fine girls running themselves into a state of exhaustion, and

772
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: probably thereafter they stopped women from running more than two left,

773
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: they I don't know, lose their feminine charms. So his

774
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: face looks deeply sad. So the popular Olympics are con

775
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 1: slightly different approach, right and one of their letters, they wrote,

776
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: the picture of the People's Olympiad would not be complete

777
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: if women did not have heard you place in it,

778
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: particularly in Spain. It's women far from being free. The

779
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: sport and above all sports of a popular character. It's

780
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: one of the best and most important means of achieving

781
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: women's liberation cannot be open to doubt. The participation of

782
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: many women in the Popular Olympiad is therefore one of

783
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: the most important objects, which is great institution has to fulfill.

784
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: And so they were. They were pretty pretty based in

785
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: their regard. One of the groups that helped organize it

786
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: was called the Catalan Feminists and Sports Club. Okay, so look,

787
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: I think we spent a little bit about before how

788
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: they had overlap with heads libres who are like the

789
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: free women. It's one of these. Like one of the

790
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: women who was part of this was Marina Janesta, who's

791
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: the woman everybody's seen like standing on top of the

792
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: building with the mauser, Like if you've seen one picture

793
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: of interesting, Yeah, she was a war correspondent and she

794
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: wasn't wasn't a fighter. There's actually a really good photo

795
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: of her with the routie and she's translating for the

796
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: routie into French so he can speak to someone else. Oh,

797
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: I've heard such a different That makes me very happy

798
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: because I've I've always heard that that picture as someone

799
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: who was like in the street fighting against the anarchists,

800
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: like during the when the communists and the anarchists were fighting. No,

801
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: she um, she was. She was a walk correspondent that

802
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: we are. That makes me a way happier. The person

803
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: you were thinking of is someone else, And I think

804
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: about different photo. No you're not, you're thinking of the

805
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: same photo and I think it's not an uncommon thing

806
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: to hear, but they're distinct individuals. Okay, great. So the

807
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 1: Barcelona Games had longer races for women basketball tennis events.

808
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: They also had events so it would consider a lady

809
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: like like shot put and javelin and shin kicking. Yeah,

810
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: but of course that was just a fun everyone went

811
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: to shine kicking. You kind of have medals for it.

812
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 1: So another unique event they had was a mass relay race,

813
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: which is really cool. The mass relay race pits the

814
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: entire team of a nation against another nation, So like

815
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: there's a twenty by fifty running race and like no

816
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: one had twenty running athletes, right, so you've got like

817
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: boxes and white ship Okay, cool. Yeah, it's got like

818
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: a real school sports day vibe. They also had a

819
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: ten ever so sad because it wasn't chess one of

820
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 1: the games. They'd be so sad, like, yeah, now the

821
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: relay and I'd be like, I'm sick, okay, go into

822
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: there playing my nails in the corner. Yeah. The mathletes

823
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: really let the team down in a mass running relay.

824
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: But there's a reason for this, right. They had a

825
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 1: ten by fifth Do you meet a swimming event as well.

826
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 1: And the reason for this is because they didn't want

827
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: to reward like one or two exceptional athletes, like genetic freaks.

828
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: They wanted to reward the nation which has elevated the

829
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: well being of its working class the highest right. So

830
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: if if your runners can also swim, that's because working

831
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: class people can swim where you're from. That means that

832
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: working class kids won't drown, and so you you get

833
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: to win, right, Like the goal is to emphasize the

834
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: popular calendar at the Games. There were, yeah, there were

835
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 1: other weird events. I mean there was a weeklong chess tournament,

836
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 1: there were folklore exhibitions, the building of Catlan human towers,

837
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: which is a great Catlan tradition, and Scottish country dancing

838
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: would accompany the games. They they were also is why

839
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: why Scottish country dancing? Because I'm like, I've run across that,

840
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: like like the Russian nihilists like sixty years earlier, had

841
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: been really obsessed with like Scottish fashion. Was there like

842
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: some weird Scottish working class thing going on that everyone

843
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: was into, or I mean there were you'll see these

844
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: working class Scots pot back up in like the International

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Speaker 1: Brigades and stuff. I think it's more of a celebration

846
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Speaker 1: of the diversity of the Popular Front. So they also

847
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Speaker 1: bought a bunch of bagpipers with them, and they had

848
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Speaker 1: all these folklore exhibitions the way to be like we're

849
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Speaker 1: European and but we were like ethnically inclusive. So here's

850
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Speaker 1: the Scots they were. They weren't killed. Some play bagpipes.

851
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: They're really weird. We like them. Yeah, yeah, they belong

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Speaker 1: with it, so I'm just curious. Yeah, So they had

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Speaker 1: every so like you had Algerians taking part, where you

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Speaker 1: have people from China, like all these people that are

855
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: trying to celebrate the different cultures that form a Popular Front. Read.

856
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,919
Speaker 1: Another thing they were very very keen on was having

857
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Speaker 1: black people from the United States because they felt that

858
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: like the anti fascist struggle with very much inclusive of

859
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Speaker 1: the struggle of people living under segregation in the United States.

860
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Speaker 1: So they actually paid their way. They didn't pay most

861
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Speaker 1: people's way, but they paid for people to come on

862
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Speaker 1: boats from United States. That rules, there was no saluting

863
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Speaker 1: of flags. Instead. Palka sALS, who I think people might

864
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Speaker 1: not be familiar with. He's like the modern He's a

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Speaker 1: founder of the modern way that people play cellos. Okay, yeah,

866
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: he flips it on the side and plays it like

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Speaker 1: a bass guitar. He doesn't do that. I was like, what,

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Speaker 1: I've never seen a cell that way. Oh god, I

869
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Speaker 1: can do that as a freakishly tall man. I can

870
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Speaker 1: play a cello like a bass. And it doesn't go

871
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,879
Speaker 1: down well with chellis. If you pick one up, start

872
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: doing purple or something, yeah, and encourage everyone to try.

873
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: If there's a cellist or cello in the home. So yeah, yeah,

874
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: what is it without a cellow It's also a great

875
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: home defense weapon. If cellow someone in the face and

876
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: you just start, you threaten to play cello and everyone's like,

877
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 1: that's why I carry the Equalian. No one nor mess

878
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: with me. They're like, oh yeah, I got my little

879
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: bag pipe chanter right here, like that that will clearer

880
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: room when I have a bagpipe chamber. Then arms reached.

881
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: Also really yeah, no way, oh yeah, outstanding stuff, Sophie. Right,

882
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 1: let's say just divert it quickly. I don't. I do not,

883
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: and you both are fucking nerves. Don't ever change. I

884
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: can't keep the any drums or anything in the space

885
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: that I record, but other instruments are fine, the cool

886
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 1: zone media pipes and drums, and now everyone here was

887
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: present for the founding of that. So yeah, they had

888
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: this this song called the Hint of the Popularlympics. Palka

889
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: Salz was going to conduct it. The words written by

890
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: your step money Eddi Sagara, who's Catalan poet, and then

891
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: the music was written by Hans Eisler. He was a

892
00:51:54,840 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: German Jewish composer who had obviously been forced out of Germany. Right,

893
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: And so you're probably wondering, if you're listening, what you

894
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: haven't heard of these games before? They seem like they're

895
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: pretty cool, and perhaps I think you might have read

896
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: about Well, the reason you haven't heard of them was

897
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: because they were supposed to begin on the nineteenth of July,

898
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 1: and something else began on the nineteenth of duly th

899
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: six and that thing is the Spanish Civil War. So yeah,

900
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: it's a little bit sad um. So I think that's

901
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: maybe where I want to end this episode with the

902
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 1: beginning of the end. What we want to talk about

903
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: next time is that what did these twenty thousand athletes

904
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: do when the Spanish Civil War started? Lincoln? They spoiler

905
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,439
Speaker 1: and that didn't go home. And they didn't do sports either.

906
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: Sport you get to shoot guns, that's the sport they

907
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: probably Yeah, they probably did some running. Yeah, and then

908
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: then you could really if you could have employed a

909
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 1: shot putter like tactically, that would have been quite quite strung.

910
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: You big circle bombs, just ht just start eating. Look

911
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: at giant stones, and just to say that in Barcelona

912
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: the pavement was never like that because it's cobbled, right,

913
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: but they they know the bother fixing it down because

914
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: they're always building barricades around here. Yeah, so like people

915
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,919
Speaker 1: would just people would crowbar up the stones and throw

916
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: them at cops when they were on strike, which I'm

917
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: sure they still do this and that makes me happy. Yeah,

918
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. I think they haven't seen I've

919
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: seen barricades. I'm trying to think I've seen a stone barricade.

920
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: I went to bust Only with a friend a while

921
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:38,439
Speaker 1: ago now and we've been there for about twenty four hours.

922
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: The first time we got tear gas again. It's great.

923
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: I missed just so much. Well, do you have anything

924
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 1: like to plug James and or Margaret James e go first. Yeah, sure,

925
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: there's a podcast that I do it's called It Could

926
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: Happen Here, and you can listen to that also on

927
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: your telephone or of a hearing device. Yeah, I think

928
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: that's already. I'm unbanned from Twitter again, so you can

929
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: find me there. Congratulate. I enjoy posting pictures of Ussolini

930
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 1: hanging out with his friends, and sometimes I get banned

931
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: for those. So yeah, James stout, what are you gonna do?

932
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: Can't change? Well, how about you? Margaret. Margaret is a

933
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: book that's out I know. Well, what's funny is it's

934
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: supposed to be out of pre order as of a

935
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: week ago. When you're listening to this, but it might

936
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: still be in pre order. You might have a last

937
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 1: chance to get a free poster with it, because the

938
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 1: publisher may or may not have um not the printer

939
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: of the posters is taking some time. It's called Escape

940
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: from Insul Island. It's about people who want to no

941
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: longer be on Insul Island. If you want to hear

942
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: James play a game based on Escape from Insul Island,

943
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,760
Speaker 1: you should check out the podcast Strangers in the Tangled

944
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: Wilderness that ran a live play of the gang from

945
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: It Could Happen Here playing Escape from Insul Island and

946
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: it's more fun than it's actually I think that sounds fun.

947
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: I'm just not saying it very enthusiastically. I know. I'm

948
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: sad Sophie wasn't playing. Yeah, Sophie hates roleplaying games. I

949
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: was the people who played him. Yeah, somebody has to

950
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 1: work around here, Margaret, Sure, it's fun commiss No, it

951
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 1: certainly can't. And you can follow me on Twitter, where

952
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 1: I somehow have not banned. I feel like I'm not

953
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 1: trying hard enough at Magpie Killjoy or Instagram at Margaret Killjoy.

954
00:55:52,920 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: And you can learn about turtles by observing that you

955
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: can from a distance. Yeah, don't work with turtles or

956
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,919
Speaker 1: send me pictures of your plants. That's my plug. Yeah,

957
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 1: I want to see them, especially turtle plant. Send them

958
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: to me on Twitter. Yeah, if you have a string

959
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:19,720
Speaker 1: of turtle, send it to me. But not someone making

960
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: one out of real turtles. That will make everyone very angry. Plant. Yeah. Yeah,

961
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: that's there, Like like one of them is chomping on

962
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 1: the next one's tail, and then the next one chomping

963
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: on the next one's time. God, turtles are so cute,

964
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: I know. Could you imagine them doing well We'll be

965
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: back Wednesday for the next episode of Teenage Mutant. That's

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00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: trademarked talk to You Later. Cool People Who Did Cool

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