WEBVTT - Short Stuff: Hanged, Drawn and Quartered

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the short Stuff. I'm Josh, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's Chuck and Dave's He's here with us in spirit.

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<v Speaker 1>I can feel and I can feel his presence wrapped

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<v Speaker 1>around us in a big hug um. And that means,

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<v Speaker 1>of course that this is short stuff, very loving, harmonious

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<v Speaker 1>episode about disemboweling, being beheaded, um, and having your innards

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<v Speaker 1>burnt in front of your very eyes. Yes, we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the old timey punishments and one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 1>that you hear about things like being drawn and quartered

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, all this disgusting taking stuff taking places

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<v Speaker 1>that kings and nobility would do the stuff to. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that was the intent, was to try and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want this to happen to you, don't do

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of stuff. They weren't only sat us, they

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<v Speaker 1>might have been that too, but it was really as

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<v Speaker 1>a countermeasure to try to keep people from committing crimes. Uh. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like basically saying like this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>what happens if you mess with me the king. It

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<v Speaker 1>just shows like not everybody can do that, even its

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<v Speaker 1>historically speaking, not everybody can order somebody to do that

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<v Speaker 1>to another human being and get away with it. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of what the monarch was showing, like this

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<v Speaker 1>is what happens. And so it was reserved for the

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<v Speaker 1>worst possible crimes you can think of, which was the

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<v Speaker 1>crime against the monarchy, like treason, you know. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're specifically talking about being hanged, drawn and quartered, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a real thing, but it's just not quite in

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<v Speaker 1>that order. And they don't know why we say it

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<v Speaker 1>that way. It's kind of weird, right, And they left

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<v Speaker 1>out some pretty important parts too, but they were just

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's one of the lazi early more lazily named

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<v Speaker 1>I was made up a word, but I said no, No,

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<v Speaker 1>it was one of the more lazily named punishments. But um.

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<v Speaker 1>It started out in the thirteen century. I think the

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<v Speaker 1>first person was a pirate who will talk about by

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<v Speaker 1>the last name of Maurice Um and and then um.

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<v Speaker 1>It went all the way up until the nineteenth century.

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<v Speaker 1>Even it wasn't until eighteen seventy that it was taken

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<v Speaker 1>off of the books where it was finally outlawed in

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<v Speaker 1>England as a punishment for crime. Yeah, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>we should read here the actual English law text. So

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<v Speaker 1>here goes, uh, that you be drawn on a hurdle

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<v Speaker 1>to the place of execution, where you shall be hanged

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<v Speaker 1>by the neck easy enough to understand, uh, and being

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<v Speaker 1>alive cut down. Okay, your privy members shall be cut off.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we know what that's all about. Private parts,

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<v Speaker 1>and your bowels taken out and burned before you, your

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<v Speaker 1>head severed from your body, and your body divided into

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<v Speaker 1>four quarters to be disposed of at the king's pleasure,

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<v Speaker 1>which I mean it is. Yeah, that's owningly, you can

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<v Speaker 1>still kind of get what they're saying in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of ways, but well we'll explain it just to be

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<v Speaker 1>a little more graphic. So the first part is drawing

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<v Speaker 1>right where you're put on like a sled aboard something

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<v Speaker 1>like that, and you're dragged behind a horse. Um, And

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<v Speaker 1>typically you're dragged in London from Newgate Prison to the

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<v Speaker 1>execution grounds in a place called Tyburn, which, now that

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<v Speaker 1>I am aware of this, I want to go tour

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<v Speaker 1>Tyburn next time we're in London. I'll bet they have

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<v Speaker 1>some pretty gruesome like guided tours, you know. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>when you say dragged on a sled, um, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>like fun Santa Slay style right style or Indiana Jones style. No,

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<v Speaker 1>probably even worse than that. I think the idea is

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<v Speaker 1>that that part is also painful and humiliating their people

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<v Speaker 1>along this little parade route, like throwing garbage at you.

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<v Speaker 1>When you finally get there, you're in pretty rough shape.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they hang you from a rope. But the

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<v Speaker 1>intent is not to kill you, so they don't like

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<v Speaker 1>pull the gallows and you drop through the trapdoor and

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<v Speaker 1>break your neck. You're The point is to hang you

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<v Speaker 1>to where you're choking and you're asphyxiating and you think

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna die. But then they don't let that happen, right,

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, no, no, no, we're gonna bring you back

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<v Speaker 1>or cut you down before you can possibly die. So

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<v Speaker 1>now we've got the drawn part, the hanged part. Now

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<v Speaker 1>we get to, for my money, the worst part, where

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<v Speaker 1>your genitalia is cut off. And by the way, we

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<v Speaker 1>should say this from what I could tell, this specifically

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<v Speaker 1>applied to men um, and I think because of this

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<v Speaker 1>part um, out of propriety or a sense of propriety,

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<v Speaker 1>women were burned at the stake instead so being hang,

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<v Speaker 1>drawn and corded with specific for men um. But they

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<v Speaker 1>would cut off your junk, and um, they would burn

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<v Speaker 1>it in the fire in front of you. So by

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<v Speaker 1>this time, I mean, you could possibly bleed to death

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<v Speaker 1>from that, but you probably yeah, you were around long enough,

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<v Speaker 1>I would guess to just to watch your junk burn

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<v Speaker 1>up in front of you. Then after that, step two

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<v Speaker 1>is they would cut you from the growing to the

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<v Speaker 1>stern um and disembowel you. Right, yeah, I mean, who

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<v Speaker 1>knows how long you live? I know we did an

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<v Speaker 1>actual episode one of our early ones that before they

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<v Speaker 1>were even like ten minutes long, kind of like these,

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<v Speaker 1>except not as good. Uh, how long you live when

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<v Speaker 1>your head was got off? Now, that was a long episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was like a good forty minutes. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it was nearly that long. I'll bet

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<v Speaker 1>you five dollars it was forty minutes. I bet it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't over thirty Okay, five dollars, look it up? Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Uh where was I Oh? Yeah, So we don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how long you live when you are disemboweled like that,

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<v Speaker 1>but I would imagine that you bleed out pretty quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>but you still might see like your guts spill out,

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<v Speaker 1>which I mean, like we're really kind of like hitting

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<v Speaker 1>that part right there, chuck that, like you're seeing this,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it's because if if you just take

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<v Speaker 1>half of a second and put yourself into the position

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<v Speaker 1>of somebody, who's who's who is being done to, like

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<v Speaker 1>seeing your body parts being tossed in a fire in

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<v Speaker 1>front of you, when you know they're supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>like in your body or attached to your body. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>the psych the psychological impact of that has to just

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<v Speaker 1>be has to compound the pain exponentially too. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>really mean thing to do on top of everything else.

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<v Speaker 1>And also just just just to just to drive this

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<v Speaker 1>home really quick to there are a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>standing around chanting for your death, yelling at you, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>throwing garbage at you while this is going on too,

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<v Speaker 1>So they're also your townsfolk are being mean to you too.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. So let's take a break and we've covered

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<v Speaker 1>drawn and hanged and uh, what do you even call

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<v Speaker 1>that last part disemboweled disemboweled, and we'll cover scattered, smothered,

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<v Speaker 1>and covered. Right, that was beautiful, Thank you, nice work.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're getting to the scattered, smothering, covered part. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>forget chunked, the talks. I think that's the final there's

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's one more. I think after topped. Even Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's something with Chili's. I think chili is topped. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>is it? I thought, though, no, no chili. There's also

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<v Speaker 1>like Hall opens. I think you can get on it. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>so scattered, smothered, covered, chunked, topped, and chili I guess

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they call it that, but something. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's all the way. And by the way, for those

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<v Speaker 1>of you who don't live near a waffle house, I

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<v Speaker 1>think there may be ton of you listening. These are

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<v Speaker 1>ways that you can order your hash browns. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>how did you order him? Scattered, smothered, and covered? And

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<v Speaker 1>then I would get chunked. But I don't need pork

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<v Speaker 1>anymore because pigs are way too smart to to eat

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<v Speaker 1>No more chunk, which is unfortunate because pigs are also

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<v Speaker 1>far in away the most delicious animal we have domesticated.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah for you for taking the stand anyway. So, scattered,

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<v Speaker 1>which means that it's not in a hockey puck, smothered

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<v Speaker 1>which means it has sautet onions in with it, and

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<v Speaker 1>covered where they put a slice of non cheese cheese

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<v Speaker 1>on it, right, what about you? I'm ashame to admit

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<v Speaker 1>that I was a very boring person. I disliked my

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<v Speaker 1>hash Browns plane. I would get a double order, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was it. I would just get a double

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<v Speaker 1>order a hash brown I mean you, okay, I understand,

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<v Speaker 1>But would you put like ketchup on it or something?

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<v Speaker 1>M hm, salt and pepper? Huh? Would it like egg

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<v Speaker 1>yolk in mixed in there or anything? Okay? All right? Yeah, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I'll mix it up with the eggs and

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<v Speaker 1>cover else is on the plane. You know, like totally insane?

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<v Speaker 1>Were you just I would like the driest order of

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<v Speaker 1>hash Browns you've ever made. That's the beauty of it.

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<v Speaker 1>They're never dry even without that stuff on him some parts.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had some dry hash Browns. All right, I think

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<v Speaker 1>we should move on. Alright. So the last step in

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<v Speaker 1>this process is the quartering, and uh, this involves you

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<v Speaker 1>know kind of what it sounds like. They would I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think we mentioned before. After you got disemboweed, they

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<v Speaker 1>would cut the heart out, throw that in the fire.

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<v Speaker 1>You're almost certainly dead after that. Um, your head comes

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<v Speaker 1>off during this last process off from the horror, and

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<v Speaker 1>then um, finally you're genuinely quartered, as in your arms

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<v Speaker 1>and legs are cut off. They boil those and some

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<v Speaker 1>spices to make the flesh last as long as possible

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<v Speaker 1>because your body parts are going on tour. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're being sent like parts of you are being

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<v Speaker 1>sent to different like nearby areas. That is under the

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<v Speaker 1>king's control to basically say like, hey, this is what

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<v Speaker 1>happens to traders. This is the leg of this guy

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<v Speaker 1>who was drawn in quarter. You all know what hang

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<v Speaker 1>drawn in quarter does, and look at this. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the result of that. So don't try anything against the king.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of what what the point was. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>see anything about the torso, because there would be some

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<v Speaker 1>torso left over, but it just seemed like they would

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<v Speaker 1>cut their arms and lays. Was the quarter the quarter part,

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<v Speaker 1>But the that that also makes it confusing with another

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<v Speaker 1>form of torture and sometimes capital punishment, which was being

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<v Speaker 1>quartered right by horses, which is a totally different thing

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<v Speaker 1>that England didn't even do. Yeah, yeah, that was you

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<v Speaker 1>know you've heard about when you have like each limb

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<v Speaker 1>is tied to a different horse. And then they yeah

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<v Speaker 1>them in the different directions, but apparently didn't happen in England,

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<v Speaker 1>apparently might have probably happened in France under King Henry

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<v Speaker 1>the Fourth after an asassination attempt. Uh. And then the

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<v Speaker 1>first person to be hang drawn in quarter do you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned was the pirate Maury's because he spoke at the

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<v Speaker 1>Pampatus of Love. That's right, that was back in twelve

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<v Speaker 1>forty one, right, that's right. And then of course William Wallace,

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<v Speaker 1>the Scottish rebel, he was drawn and quartered as depicted

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<v Speaker 1>in the Mel Gibson's snuff film Braveheart Um. And then

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<v Speaker 1>another very famous person who was sentenced to be drawn, hang,

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<v Speaker 1>drawn and quartered was Guy Fawx, the Catholic revolutionary who

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to blow up Parliament, but he escaped the

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<v Speaker 1>worst of it because he was clever enough to jump

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<v Speaker 1>down from the gallows head first and break his own neck,

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<v Speaker 1>so he he was already dead when they did the

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<v Speaker 1>worst of the stuff to him as part of his punishment. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And eventually things might have turned when a naval clerk

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<v Speaker 1>named David Tyree was drawn and quartered because he had

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of press coverage. The rest of this stuff

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<v Speaker 1>is just there's not a ton of detail. But the

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<v Speaker 1>press really came out and wrote about what happened to Tyree,

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<v Speaker 1>and things seemed to have kind of turned after that

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<v Speaker 1>to a little bit more of a I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if it was just like they figured that it was

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<v Speaker 1>too cruel to be doing, or if they just decided

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<v Speaker 1>it's just all takes too much time and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>little too much. We needed to sort of get on

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<v Speaker 1>with it. Kind of too extra sort of because uh

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<v Speaker 1>that there were five men convicted in the Cato Street conspiracy. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were sinance to be hanged, drawn and quartered,

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<v Speaker 1>but they ended up just hanging them, putting them up

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<v Speaker 1>there on the gallows and cutting their heads off and

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<v Speaker 1>saying can we just call it a day? Yeah. And

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<v Speaker 1>this guy that the House staff works article UM interviewed.

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<v Speaker 1>His name is Richard Clark. He runs the website Capital

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<v Speaker 1>Punishment uk UM. He says that part of the reason

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<v Speaker 1>why this went out of fashion was because, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>well to do Londoners started um gentrifying areas around New

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<v Speaker 1>Game Prison and Tyburn the public execution grounds, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>basically like, no, we don't really want you doing this

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<v Speaker 1>in our backyard. It really tends to bring out the

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<v Speaker 1>riff raff and the blood thirsty, and we kind of

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<v Speaker 1>want them over there. So they just did away with

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<v Speaker 1>it entirely in eighteen seventy. Yeah, that was it. That

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<v Speaker 1>was it for being hang drawn and quartered. Humanity took

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<v Speaker 1>one small step forward toward progressing to its ideal form.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's it for short stuff, right, what does that mean?

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