1 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: Foul Territory live at the Winter Meetings in Orlando. Oh, 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: it's on today. Nothing happened yesterday. Things are happening this morning. 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: You've got Shober talk, We've got it, Mendez talk. Money 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: is moving. 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, we were supposed to have Dave Roberts, which something 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 2: came up and I don't know why he can't for 7 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 2: the last second. Something happened crafts for the Dodgers. I 8 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: don't know exactly what, but something did. 9 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: We're hearing things, Pratt. 10 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have an idea, but I'll let I won't 11 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 3: bury the leaf. 12 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: Good good. We're gonna start with the other move though. 13 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: So let's hit some breaking news here. Kyle Schwarber signing 14 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: with a team in Pennsylvania, the Philadelphia Phillies. Sorry Pirates. 15 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: Weird though he got five years and the Pirates only 16 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: offered four years. 17 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 4: Oh, man, Ken's shrining. 18 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: You were in on him though, right, five years, one 19 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million dollars. The Phillies are Hey, Pittsburgh, 20 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: fuck off with your BS offer. So Schwarber's back. 21 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: What did Jim Boden say yesterday? You got it. If 22 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 2: you're the Pirates, you gotta go extra years and you 23 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 2: gotta go five minutes and that would have been what 24 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: six years. 25 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: You're Schwarber, I throw that at you. You're at least 26 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: having a thought. Yes, they're saying, no, you're like, I. 27 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 2: Love John Bremberg. I'm glad I didn't get my own 28 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 2: Pirates Swoberg Jersey. That's a great tweet, by the way, 29 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 2: but come on, it's what It's what Jim Boden said. 30 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 2: You're like, if you're if you're the Pirates, you got 31 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 2: to show people that you're actually trying by signing somebody, 32 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 2: and you have to overpay. And but we'll let crats 33 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: talk about this because I think this is huge for 34 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 2: the Phillies and Topper. Topper got extended. 35 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 3: Also, Topper's just he's just he's He's always gonna have 36 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 3: a uniform on. This is a matter of who is 37 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 3: gonna pay him. But so I got to leave yesterday 38 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 3: while you guys were doing all your stuff with the 39 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 3: other manager's voter my guy, because I got to watch 40 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 3: a middle school girls basketball game and one of the 41 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 3: girls shot a logo three pointer that landed like fifteen 42 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 3: feet short of the hoop. I mean, it's middle school 43 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 3: girls basketball, but that's pretty much what the Pirates offered 44 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 3: when they offered Schwarbert a four year deal, because you 45 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 3: knew it was gonna be the Phillies. We're gonna make 46 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 3: a run, and so whatever anybody else offered, you might 47 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,119 Speaker 3: as well push it. If I'm the Mets, I'm like, hey, 48 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 3: I'm gonna push it. You know, five years, one forty 49 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 3: to make the Phillies pay a little bit more so. No, 50 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 3: the Pirates weren't ever really in. And this is huge 51 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 3: for the Phillies because they get that leader that we 52 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 3: talked about with Jim Bowden yesterday, and they get a 53 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 3: guy who has made some significant adjustments at the plate. 54 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 3: You just hope he he and Harper and Trey Turner, 55 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 3: the other guys on long term contracts age gracefully because 56 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 3: you can only have one DH to night. 57 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 1: This was the target too, right Kratz. How much does 58 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: he mean to the Phillies? 59 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: I mean, he was this one. Always seemed like he 60 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 2: was going back to the Phillies. I'm sorry the Phillies. Listen, 61 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: the other teams would they have loved him, but if 62 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 2: Phillies seemed like they needed him more. And one thing 63 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: about Dave Dombrowski, John Middleton in the Philadelphia Phillies. If 64 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 2: they if they put their head in their mind on somebody, 65 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: they're gonna go get them. And they did it. We 66 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 2: saw with Bryce, we saw with Trey Turner, we saw 67 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 2: with Real Muta. Now will they bring real Muto back? Right, 68 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 2: That's now the next thing for them? Will they will 69 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 2: they go there? 70 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: So hold up though, I don't feel comfortable with the 71 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: same exact team again, and most of Philadelphia doesn't. Kratz 72 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: and I don't know. I know they don't have a 73 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: say Vans, But isn't the pulse in Philly that they 74 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: have to do something different and not keep rolling out 75 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: the same team. I'm not saying, gone, sign Swarb, I'm 76 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: not saying gone sign Real Muto. But at the end 77 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: of the day, when we get through the off season, 78 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: are the Phillies going to look essentially the same minus 79 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: Ranger Suarez? 80 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 3: I mean I said this after they lost to the 81 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 3: Mets the year before, and everybody's like, you can't, you 82 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 3: can't run the same team back? 83 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: Why not? 84 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 3: They're still a good team. Are they just not good 85 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 3: enough to win in the playoffs? Only time will tell. Well, 86 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 3: so far, they haven't been right they've regressed each year. 87 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 3: They've gone twenty two World Series, twenty three lost in 88 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 3: the NLCS, twenty four and twenty five lost in the NLDS. 89 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 3: I still believe they were the second best team in 90 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 3: the National League, And are you really blowing something up 91 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 3: to not do that? And maybe you just get maybe 92 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 3: you just get a maybe you get some young infusion 93 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 3: by you know, Justin Crawford and Aidan Miller coming in 94 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 3: and solidifying some positions and willing to make I still 95 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 3: think Dombrowski is willing to make a trade that will 96 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 3: be more than Nick Costianos, which you keep hearing. And 97 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 3: I'm unfortunately for Phillies fans, they're gonna be like, oh yeah, 98 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 3: Nicossiono's beat it. He's your hottest hitter in the playoffs. 99 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 3: If your team can't hit in the playoffs and yet 100 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 3: you're getting you want to get rid of your best 101 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 3: hitter in the playoffs. Just be careful what you wish for, 102 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 3: is all I got to say. 103 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 2: As a fan. 104 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: Well, he's gone. I think that the public messaging from 105 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: them has been that he's gone. Even if they have 106 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: to just do a buyout and a team signs him 107 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: for a league minimum deal. I think a team will 108 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: trade for him and take on a million bucks or two. 109 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: And we talked about it in yesterday show. People want 110 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: to backtrack to that. But I am very against rolling 111 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: out the same team each year. I'm very against it. 112 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,559 Speaker 2: The last year something and they brought in some different 113 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 2: people last year. Yeah, I think they ran out the 114 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 2: exact same team. 115 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: I mean, the lineup's been a flub in the playoffs 116 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: for the last couple of years. 117 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know. I guess I don't know. 118 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 2: I don't know. I kind of disagree with you that 119 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: I don't either. I think that this team has been 120 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: really good in the seas, but they've also twenty three 121 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 2: or the year they played the Diamondbacks, Come on, they 122 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 2: should have won. They were up what three to one 123 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 2: in that series. Yeah, they should have won that series. 124 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 2: Twenty two day, you can make an argument they should 125 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 2: have won the World Series. I know the Astros did, 126 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 2: but they were up in that series. They got no 127 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 2: hit and just kind of fell apart. 128 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: Twenty great, but I'm saying here was my thing craft 129 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: you can vouch for me. 130 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: Twenty five they ran into the Dodgers, which everyone said 131 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 2: was the world series. 132 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: No doubt, no doubt, it's gotta try something else. 133 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 3: I know. 134 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 2: It's just so. 135 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 3: Why why, Scott, Why do we gotta try something else? 136 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: They're getting shut down in the playoffs. They're getting they're 137 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: getting pitched to, and they're getting shut down. And I 138 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: said this at the beginning of last season and the 139 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: last offseason. You remember, I was like, the Phillies feel 140 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: like a great regular season team to me, and it 141 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: happened to a t And I get it. They weren't 142 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 1: getting through the Dodgers, okay, and they gave them a 143 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: you know, okay fight. But I think when something happens 144 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: multiple times to a team like this that has a 145 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: winning window of players that will eventually close. 146 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 2: Three is called maybe they beat the Dodgers in their 147 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 2: celebrating World series. 148 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: Like the players, I'm okay, I got it. The core. 149 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: I love Schwarber they. 150 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 5: Did they had that was helpful, but he got more 151 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 5: of that. And also they had uh Wes will Wilson 152 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 5: and all the bench guys were different. They get stubby 153 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 5: and they brought in the Marshawn back up guys, so 154 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 5: they they made changes. 155 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 2: But you're not trading Harper Turner remote to shore boom. Well, 156 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: they mean they tried to boom. Costianos was off the 157 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 2: table until now right, So they had all these guys 158 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 2: Marshes there, their bullpen is they the bullpen was changed. 159 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:53,239 Speaker 2: They completely flipped the bullpen. 160 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: I would get a fresh outfield, which sounds like they 161 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: might do to an extent that. It also could involve 162 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: Justin Crawford, who I think is ready from the minor 163 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: league system. That's Carlson. And then I mean they're trying 164 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: to move Bom. He's a movable player. They're just looking 165 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: at who would replace him. They're not going to necessarily 166 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: hit the free agent mark and be like Alex Bregman, 167 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: come on down. 168 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 3: I mean, obviously, if I think if Schwarber wasn't in 169 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 3: the fold, yes, that's what you'd look at. You'd look 170 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 3: at another guy who's like a leader, somebody who's gonna 171 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 3: be out there every single day, replaced Bam, you know 172 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 3: that kind of thing. Somebody replace Costiano's probably not going 173 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 3: to be Tucker as much as they pursued him. You know. 174 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 3: With with Schwarber in the fold, it seems like they're 175 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 3: gonna bring real Muto back. My thing is, you can't 176 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 3: just go based on Okay, we didn't we didn't get 177 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 3: the job done. I know that's how everybody wants to 178 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 3: look at it. But when you're building your team, you say, 179 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 3: what did we not do well in the playoffs? Okay, 180 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 3: we didn't score runs. But who was the best pitcher 181 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 3: in the playoffs? Yoshinobu Yamamoto, Okay had I think they 182 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 3: scored three or four runs off of them in one inning? 183 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 3: Guy that was unhittable for the rest of the league 184 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 3: in the playoffs. H you know, how's our starting rotation. 185 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 3: You're gonna get Wheeler back? When what's he gonna look like? 186 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 3: Don't know, pretty solid rotation. To me, it's the bullpen 187 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 3: that needs to be able to hold these games down 188 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 3: because they're going to play the Dodgers, and the Dodgers 189 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 3: you can't give them an inch because they'll take a mile. 190 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 3: And it's just it's one of those things they have 191 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 3: to To me, I don't think it's a big huge 192 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 3: change because the team is really good and they make 193 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 3: adjustments as a lineup together. They just have to do 194 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 3: it in the playoffs like the Dodgers did two years ago. 195 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 1: Let's finish with this. Did other teams mess up by 196 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: not pursuing Kyle Schwarber further, I mean, yes. 197 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 2: But overpay. They're gonna overpay. He was gonna go back 198 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 2: to Philly. Okay, he's happy in Philly. He's got a 199 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 2: great place in Philly. He's got a chance to become 200 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 2: legendary status in Philly. So you're gonna have to overpay 201 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 2: to get him out of Philly. And they weren't got 202 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 2: his friends there. Yeah, he's got everything there. So yeah, No, 203 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 2: did ever the teams mess up? No, yes, but no 204 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 2: because they probably weren't gonna get him anyways. 205 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: We from reports, and there's all kinds of reports leading 206 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: up to this signing. Over the past week. I saw 207 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: teams aside from Cincinnati and Pittsburgh. We saw the Mets 208 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: pop up yesterday I left, but we saw the Orioles 209 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: pop up. You saw that one, right, And I was like, okay, yeah, 210 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: but it would have been a great fit. 211 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 2: No, it's easy for all these teams to pop up, 212 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: but it's really hard for teams to put the pen 213 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 2: to paper and put it down an actual offer. Some 214 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 2: of these offers are when you're a free agent, they'll 215 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 2: be like, well, what if we offered you this, and 216 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 2: then your agent's like, is that a real offer? And 217 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 2: they're like no, no, no, no, But what if we 218 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 2: did offer you that? Well, unless you make that offer, 219 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 2: I can't give you a yes or no. But what 220 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 2: if we what? 221 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 4: What if? 222 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 2: What if the pirates said we'll give you four years 223 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 2: one hundred in kylege Robber's agent was like, is that 224 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 2: a real offer? And they're like no, but just we're 225 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 2: just so we can say that we made you a 226 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 2: quote offer, right, Like that's it's not a real offer. 227 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 2: It's like in college football when they're like, oh, I 228 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 2: have an offer from Miami. But sometimes kids have offers, 229 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: but they're not committable offers. Right. You can't just oh, 230 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 2: I'm going to Miami. They offered me. Well, we offered you, 231 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 2: but there's conditions on it. Right. It's the same thing 232 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: in here a free agency, we're going to give you. 233 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 2: What if we gave you this offer, would you take it? Well? 234 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 2: Is that a real offer? 235 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 3: No? 236 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 2: Okay? But then I can't say yes or no. 237 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 3: What a great What a great analogy. I hope kids 238 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 3: who are in high school and parents of high school 239 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 3: kids or parents of kids, people that know kids who 240 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 3: are in tall and are going through the college process. 241 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 3: The only offers that you actually have are ones that 242 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 3: are penned to paper. This is what you're offering, not. 243 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 2: How does this look for you? Does this? 244 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 3: What would this do for you? It's like, oh, well 245 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 3: that would be great. Well, actually, hang on, hang on, 246 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 3: hang on, hangout. We're not offering quite yet. That's a 247 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 3: good analogy. 248 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: The Reds should have been the team for me, I 249 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: never thought, but they're not. 250 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 2: Going to pay that and we had Tito on here yesterday. 251 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: They should have been the team. 252 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 2: They should have been, but they're not going to do it. 253 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: Though. 254 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 2: You have to understand, like it's easy to say the 255 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 2: red should have been this team, but again, the Reds 256 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 2: were gonna have to overpay and they weren't going to overpay. 257 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 2: Every How many times have we had this conversation on 258 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 2: this show. How many general managers and presidents of baseball 259 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 2: ops and owners are risk averse and they don't want 260 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 2: to be that guy that, oh I might change the 261 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 2: market for other teams by overspending, even though that's the 262 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: guy I want. And college war would fit perfectly on 263 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 2: the Reds from Ohio. Teach some of the kids how 264 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 2: to play all that, but they would have to probably overspend, 265 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 2: and they don't want to be the team that breaks 266 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 2: the market. 267 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 1: Oh well, hello, more breaking news. 268 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 2: Why would do these guys back to back? 269 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: Scott breaking news. Edwin Diaz to the Dodgers three years, 270 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: sixty nine million dollars giggey. Wow. The Mets decided Devin 271 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: Williams for three point fifty ish over Edwin Diaz for 272 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: three seventy ish. Wow. So let's first start with the Dodgers. 273 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: Let's first start with terrible. 274 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 2: So Dodgers a good thing. They don't have a salary count. 275 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say that. 276 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: Dave Roberts wants to cap the team, but right now 277 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: he can't, so he is forced to get better. 278 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, another great player. And by the way, uh, Kyle 279 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 2: schwar reverse Edwin Diaz. Those numbers are not good. Have 280 00:13:58,920 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 2: ever seen those numbers? 281 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 4: Oh? 282 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 2: No, Well, in the regular season, I think he's over 283 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 2: ten with eight punches, and then if you go to 284 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 2: the playoffs, he's oh for a lot more with more punchies. 285 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 2: It's like one of the craziest things of all time. 286 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 2: But I mean, listen to Dodgers. Ain't messing around. They've 287 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 2: won two in a row. What was the one thing 288 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 2: that we said, who? What did they have? Bullpen and 289 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 2: high leverage? What guy in the ninth inning closer? Guess 290 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 2: what they just signed for three years? The guy, the guy, 291 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 2: the best closer we got going probably right now, right. 292 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 2: I mean, you can make arguments somewhere here or there, 293 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 2: but one of the top three closers in baseball strikeout 294 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 2: stuff dependable other than if he plays in the WBC, 295 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 2: which I'm sure the Dodgers probably had a conversation. We're like, 296 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 2: we're not gonna let you do that this year. But 297 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 2: this is the guy, I mean perfect. Their lineups pretty 298 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 2: much all back, depending on what they want to do. 299 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 2: If they want to find a center fielder. Sorry an the. 300 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: Air people trying to get autographs from AJ but can't make. 301 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 2: This this right. So the Dodgers needed a closer. They 302 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 2: went out and get them. They're they're there. Their position 303 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 2: players are pretty much said. Other than if they do 304 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 2: something with Teo or find a center field or whatever, 305 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 2: they figure out their one thing is. But this is 306 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 2: the move their snow glass, snow Domamoto, Sazaki, boom right, 307 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 2: and then they're bullpend out. They get healthy Tanner Scott 308 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 2: and they get Cope, Kopek comes back and all these 309 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 2: guys that they also have training trying bounces back like 310 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 2: this team just way, way, way better. I'm sorry fans, 311 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 2: but guess who's number one of my power rankings. 312 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: The Dodgers Edwin Diaz had any ridiculous year or two. 313 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 2: Especially when they're number one the whole year and they 314 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 2: went and everyone says, I hate the Dodgers, even though 315 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 2: there's still number one for and there's still gonna be 316 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: number one. 317 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: Crats we're here, and I feel like Dave Roberts, Brandon Gomes, 318 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: et cetera, the manager of the GM. 319 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 2: I saw Brandon Gohmes justey, he didn't even mention this 320 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: to me. I'm mad at him. 321 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: Well there they've been publicly saying we're pretty much good. 322 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: We don't have to do anything. If something falls in 323 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: our lap, we'll do it. I think they evaluated the 324 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: marketplace and they were like, hold up, best closer, flash 325 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: reliever by far on the market is not going for 326 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: five years, not going for four years. They love a 327 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: short term, high average annual value value deal. This is 328 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: exactly up their alley. So as someone has said, like 329 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: they hang around the backboard and then they're just ready 330 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: to scoop up a rebound. I mean, this is a 331 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: no brainer for them. 332 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 3: Everybody thinks they're hanging around waiting for rebounds and they're 333 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 3: pushing people out of the way. This was this was 334 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 3: out there for anybody. Like the fact that Devin Williams 335 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 3: got three years is why the Mets, you know, risk 336 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 3: averse all that stuff that we've already talked about, Well 337 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 3: we can't get we can't get Edwin dis because he's 338 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 3: probably gonna get four or five years because hater got 339 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 3: five years ninety five, Oh wait, you got three years. 340 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 3: It because in no way they sat there and they go, 341 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 3: we didn't like what Devin Williams gave us last year. 342 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 3: We didn't like what he gave us the last five years. 343 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 3: Is the second most dominant closer in the game. Like 344 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 3: I just I just have a hard time believing that 345 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 3: they they valued the market the way that it ended 346 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 3: up turning out because of the fact that they went 347 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 3: to somebody commodity and Devin Williams they don't even know. 348 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 3: And the Dodgers are like sure, like yeah, we're we're 349 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 3: breaking the aav for a closer. No reliever has gotten 350 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 3: this much money per year. We're actually paying him less 351 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 3: than we're paying Tanner Scott. Uh, Edwin Diaz is way 352 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 3: better than what Tanner Scott was when we signed him. 353 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, a one to six three ERA thirty eight percent 354 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: strikeout percentage. So he had an opt out. He opted 355 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: out of the final two years thirty eight. Okay, we'll 356 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: finish up here. 357 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 358 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: Uh, two years thirty eight million was left for DS. 359 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 2: You got three six opted out, so you. 360 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: Got another year and another or a thirty one million 361 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: for him, So three years sixty nine. But I'm just 362 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: shocked that the Mets made that decision that. 363 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 2: I'm shocked the Mets didn't bring him back. Now, what 364 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 2: does this mean for a Lonzo? Is the question? 365 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: Click, maybe they're not bringing the band back together. 366 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 3: The better be to knee. Clearly, you better bend to knee. 367 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 3: That's what it means. 368 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 2: Who better been the knee? The Mets? 369 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 3: No people to whom fan favorite, fan favorite, the guy 370 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 3: that everybody every year you heard the media at the 371 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 3: bbwa's always say, oh, yeah, you know, this guy should win. 372 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 3: You know, favorite favorite player in the clubhouse every year 373 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 3: by the media. Edwin DS closer EXTRAORDINAI pushed them to 374 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 3: where they were last year and the year before, like 375 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 3: was has. 376 00:18:58,600 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 2: Killed it for him gone. 377 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 3: Pine Alonzo might have to just say, yes, this is 378 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 3: how much the Mets are offering, and I'm gonna have 379 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 3: to sign there because they're clearly not going to go 380 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 3: over what they view his worth is. 381 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,719 Speaker 1: This is the best inside scoop because he is in 382 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: person with us Ken Rosenthal at d Senior inside running 383 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: around the winter meetings right now. Good to see you, Ken. 384 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: Right to business because we had not one but two 385 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: big moves this morning. I'll give you dealer's choice. Which 386 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: one would you like to start with? 387 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 4: Daz for sure, okay? 388 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 6: And I only say that because the shore burmove was 389 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 6: largely expected, even with all the action on him. The 390 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 6: Fillers were the favorite from the very beginning, and it 391 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 6: was just a question of when do we get done, 392 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 6: how it get done, what the money would be, and 393 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 6: they went to a level that most guys who project 394 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 6: this stuff projected five years, one hundred and fifty million. 395 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 6: Daz was a stunner, and everyone knew that the Dodgers 396 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 6: were in on relievers, late inning relievers. But the feeling 397 00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 6: was is that only on a one year deal or 398 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 6: short term. They wouldn't necessarily want to qualifying off for 399 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 6: guy lose two draft picks. Well, they went to three years, 400 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 6: they lost two draft picks and a million dollars in 401 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 6: international bonus money. And they're acting like the Dodgers always act, 402 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 6: So we probably shouldn't have been surprised by. 403 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 2: Any of this. 404 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 1: That's really good and they don't care. 405 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 4: They don't care like a million dollars. 406 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: Don't know. I don't know what is there because he 407 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: keeps finding players winning. 408 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 4: Yes, the purpose of the sport is to win. 409 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 6: And I know this will probably evoke a fresh round 410 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 6: of the Dodgers are ruining baseball, But if you remember, 411 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 6: it went down to the ninth inning of the actually 412 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 6: beyond the ninth inning of the last game of the 413 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 6: World Series, and they were two outs away from losing 414 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 6: that suckers, so hey. Obviously they had made some bullpen 415 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 6: moves last year they did not work out so well 416 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 6: for them. 417 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 4: Edwin Diez is much more of. 418 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 6: An established guy than Tanner Scott was and Kirby Yates 419 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 6: was older of course, but it's a huge move for them, obviously, 420 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 6: and what they like about their team is Not only 421 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 6: do they have the starters from last year coming back, 422 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 6: but they've got some younger starters coming off injuries. Gavin Stone, 423 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 6: River Ryan and Kyle Hurt. These guys have had varying 424 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 6: levels of success in the big leagues already, and now 425 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 6: they're entering and ran thering the picture for LA. 426 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 2: Are there deferrals in this contract? Do we know anything 427 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 2: about that? 428 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 4: We don't know for sure yet, but I expected there 429 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 4: will be deferrals. 430 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 2: Okay, so the Dodgers are trying to make moves before 431 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 2: the CBA happens and whatever changes come up. But also, 432 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 2: isn't this the one hole they really have the Dodgers, 433 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 2: and they filled. 434 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 4: It the hole and I expect they'll fill that, but a. 435 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 2: Bigger need honestly, that was we saw the way the 436 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 2: playoffs they had to throw Sazaki out there. Sure, right, 437 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 2: so this this fills another major hole. They're ruining baseball 438 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 2: can and their manager wants a salary cap. Well, guess 439 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 2: what if you have a salary cap, you ain't probably 440 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 2: getting Edwin Diaz? Right, So how do we here's something 441 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 2: to keep doing this? 442 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 6: I think you're right Aja about they want to get 443 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 6: this done before whatever new restrictions come into play. In 444 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 6: the next CBA come into play, there might not be 445 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 6: a salary cap, but there probably will be. It's not 446 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 6: a salary cap stricter luxury tax penalties, thresholds that maybe 447 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 6: that would be difficult for. 448 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 4: Them, whatever the case might be. 449 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 6: So, yeah, there is strategy in doing that right now 450 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 6: and trying to get all you can before the CBA strikes. 451 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 4: But even if there is a salary cap, we've seen this. 452 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 4: The Dodgers are one of the smartest teams in the game. 453 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 4: They're still gonna be good. They're not gonna be that limited. 454 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 6: And some of the bad teams are still gonna be 455 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 6: bad because they're not that creative, they're not that smart 456 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 6: in the way they go about it. So I said 457 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 6: this before, I'll say it again. A cap would address 458 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 6: some things, for sure, and maybe in a way that 459 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 6: would benefit the game, but it's not going to change 460 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 6: the fortunes of franchises automatically. If you're not good in 461 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 6: the NFL with a cap, you're generally not good. 462 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 4: The Jets, the Cleveland Browns, they're not. 463 00:22:58,359 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: Good, thank you. 464 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 6: So I don't know that the competitive balance question is 465 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 6: really all that fair here. 466 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 4: It's obviously part of it. And I've said this before, 467 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 4: I'll say it again. 468 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 6: The sport needs to do a better job of shrinking 469 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 6: the payroll disparity. 470 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 4: And there are ways to do that beside a cap. 471 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 6: But at the same time, let's not pretend it's going 472 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 6: to be a panacea for some of these teams that 473 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 6: aren't competitive. 474 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 3: Can you can you compare and then move forward on 475 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 3: Robert Swarez? Can you compare Devin Williams contract that he signed, 476 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 3: which I thought was maybe a little short to Edwin's 477 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 3: contract that he signed, and then moving forward, what does 478 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 3: this mean for Robert Swarez? Who's left in the market 479 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 3: and is he going to get just a tear down? 480 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 3: Is he in between Devin Williams? Where's that market playing 481 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 3: out at for him? 482 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 6: I'm not exactly sure, Eric, where it plays out in 483 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 6: terms of the dollars. 484 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 4: Is he more highly regarded than Devin Williams. I'm not sure. 485 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 6: Little old and a guy that is really good, obviously, 486 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 6: but Devin Williams is seen as an extreme talent. Dodgers 487 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 6: ran on him. Now you ask me which teams that 488 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 6: I can speculate on. The Mets still want another late 489 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 6: inning guy. The Braves still want another late inning guy, 490 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 6: and there are a number of other teams as well, 491 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 6: the Tigers, all kinds of teams looking for that kind 492 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,959 Speaker 6: of stopper at the end of games. 493 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 4: So Suarez is going to do well. 494 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 2: Now. 495 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 6: I don't know if he does better than Devin Williams 496 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 6: or not, but he's going to do well. 497 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: Okay, let's get to the Mets side of the equation here, 498 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: and I think this ties into the Dodgers. They looked 499 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: at Diaz and said, wait, three years, not five, not 500 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: four to three years for sixty nine. Sure, we'll play ball. 501 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: Anthony Dicomo, who covers the Mets MLB, said he was 502 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: told the Mets offered three years sixty six with slight 503 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: deferrals and had room to improve that number. But he 504 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: just set up, got three years sixty nine, and I'm gone, 505 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: how does that happen? When Williams? I mean, I know, 506 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: fifty versus seventy million, it's something, But for the Mets, 507 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: it shouldn't be much. And I think most people would 508 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: be like, I'm gonna take the commodity I know has 509 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: pitched well. 510 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 6: Here, I just saw a Mets fan in the lobby 511 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 6: and he said to me, how can the Mets get 512 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 6: out bid for a guy that they supposedly. 513 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 4: Wanted with Steve Cohen as their owner. Fair question. 514 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 6: And if you're at sixty six and you got beat 515 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 6: out by sixty nine, obviously Edwin wanted to set a 516 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 6: mark and the Mets didn't get there. 517 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 4: So we'd heard originally that. 518 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 6: Edwin wanted five years similar to what he had before, 519 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 6: five years one oh two. 520 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 4: But that's twenty million avy. 521 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 6: This is twenty three again before deferrals, which will bring 522 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 6: it down. 523 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 4: But the Mets are curious right now. They don't seem 524 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 4: to be that heavy on anybody. 525 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 6: They didn't get Shorebured. I don't expect didn't expect them 526 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 6: to get Shoreburt. Are they hot on Alonso? It doesn't 527 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,959 Speaker 6: seem like it need a left fielder, They need starting pitching, 528 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 6: and they don't want to go long term on any 529 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 6: starting pitcher, which I kind of get. 530 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 4: The market's not great those guys we are available, But 531 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 4: all right, what's your answer? That's the question. 532 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 2: David terns. He finds value and he's going to have 533 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 2: to that's what he's supposed to be the best at. Right, Yeah, 534 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 2: what about Schwarber. I know everyone expected him to go 535 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 2: back to Philly, and I'm happy for him, and I'm 536 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 2: happy for Philly. But my question is, we heard pirates, 537 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 2: and we heard Reds and heard all these others. But 538 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 2: was that serious, because this is what I was serious. 539 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 2: But the pirates they go, okay, four years one hundred. 540 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 2: They knew that wasn't going to get it done. Is 541 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 2: it the offer where hey, if we all ken, if 542 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 2: I offer you ten years one hundred, will you sign 543 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 2: with the athletic? Yes, you would, okay? But but then 544 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 2: they say, oh, we were just kidding. That's not a 545 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 2: serious offer. Just tell us if you would, right. So 546 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 2: to me, that's what it seemed like because as I've 547 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 2: been a free agent and teams come to you and say, hey, 548 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 2: if I offer you this, will you take it? Well, 549 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 2: I'm not giving you that answer because it's just a 550 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 2: real offer, and they and they were like, no, no, no, 551 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 2: it's not a real offer. So were these real offers, 552 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 2: because I they. 553 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 4: Were real offers, but were they actually were they going 554 00:26:58,560 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 4: to be? 555 00:26:59,400 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 2: Yes? 556 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 6: And I had someone in the industry say to me 557 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 6: yesterday he thinks what the pirates were doing with Tarburg 558 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 6: was performative, and I understand that. 559 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 4: But if you're the Pittsburgh Pirates and you throw out 560 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 4: a four year deal for. 561 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 6: One hundred and twenty million when you haven't paid a 562 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 6: free agent more than thirty nine million in your history, Okay, 563 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 6: maybe you're not winning, but it's certainly a deal that 564 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 6: is in the ballpark. It's the same aav he ultimately 565 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 6: got from the Phillies, but with one more year. So 566 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 6: I don't know that we can just rip the Pirate. 567 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 6: I heard what Boden said yesterday. I didn't care for it. 568 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 6: Oh they should have offered six years. They're doing more 569 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 6: than they've ever done. They're signaling to the market, to 570 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 6: the other players that they're serious. So sure was it. 571 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 4: Gonna get it done? No? Were the Red's gonna get 572 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 4: it done or be the high bidder? Probably not. They 573 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 4: knew that from the very beginning. The Pirates knew that too, 574 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 4: But they took their shots. 575 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 6: And I don't know that we can sit here and 576 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 6: rip these teams for never taking shots, and then rip 577 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 6: them when they do take shots, even if they're not 578 00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 6: obviously the best footfall. 579 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 1: But then go after the guys you think you have 580 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 1: a fair shot at like they're going to do that. 581 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: You know, let's just. 582 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 4: Ada la court, chuck it behind. You know. 583 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 6: I assume in the pirates case, they're going to sign 584 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 6: some players. They're gonna have to overpay, probably and it's 585 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 6: not gonna necessarily be pretty, but. 586 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 2: They though they would have to overpay to get them 587 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 2: to prove that they're seriously because you was not going 588 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 2: to go for even if they but you think they 589 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 2: were getting if they ever if they went six point eight. 590 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: It makes that's why we have these guys on like, 591 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: it makes them think for it. To me, it's like, oh, 592 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: they're still a joke, that's all that. That was my thing. 593 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: Everybody was hearing or you're reading he's gonna get five 594 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: years and then this team gives him a four year offer. 595 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't see it that way. 596 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 6: I see it as they're finally serious and no one 597 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 6: was saying they're going to get the guy, but they 598 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 6: were making an attempt. And I think it is a 599 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 6: signal to the other teams or the other players in 600 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 6: the market, I should say, and even teams that were 601 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 6: so we want to surround Paul Skimes with better talent, 602 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 6: and obviously it wasn't going to work here, but we'll 603 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 6: see where it goes. 604 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 2: Do you think they're gonna use the money somewhere else? 605 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 4: I don't know if you'll use all one twenty or 606 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 4: whatever it is, but I do believe they're going to spend. 607 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 2: Okay, now at the higher level, I'm gonna ask you 608 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 2: the next question. We had this conversation yesterday. Why all 609 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 2: of a sudden the Pirates spending And don't say Paul 610 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 2: Skins because this reminds us of the Oakland Athletics who 611 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 2: are now the Sacramento Athletics or are soon going to 612 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 2: be the Vegas Athletics told by Major League Baseball you 613 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 2: have to spend money. Did Major League Baseball go to 614 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 2: the Pirates and say, you guys have to spend money. 615 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 2: We're gonna get a grievance because you're not spending anything. 616 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 4: Aj I've written about this. I know you haven't read it, 617 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 4: of course not. 618 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 6: Can it be a motivator, yeah, can it be a motivator, yes, 619 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 6: I don't know exactly what's motivating them. What should be 620 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 6: motivating them is they have the best picture on the 621 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 6: planet for four years more and they've got to do something. 622 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 6: And the owner is ripped in Pittsburgh all the time, 623 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 6: rightly so, and it's time for them to act in 624 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 6: a different way than they have before. And no one 625 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 6: expects them to act like the Dodgers. We'll get that, 626 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 6: we all get what the industry is and disparities, but 627 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 6: there are teams at their level that try, they don't try, 628 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 6: or haven't tried. So there are a lot of eyes 629 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 6: on them right now to see what they do and 630 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 6: to see if they back it up, because as with 631 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 6: the Tigers in schoobl it's only one year. With schoobl 632 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 6: it's opportunities that don't come a long often. You don't 633 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 6: have a Terrek Schooble on your staff for very many 634 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 6: or many teams don't get that opportunity. The Pirates don't. 635 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 6: Teams don't get that opportunity to have a Paul Skians. 636 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 6: When you have that guy, you better fire, you better try. 637 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: So that takes me to the article you wrote yesterday 638 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: about the Tigers. What's going on with them? Are they 639 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: going to trade him? And if not, are they going 640 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: to go for it this year? 641 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 6: I don't expect that they're going to trade him, and 642 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 6: I don't know how hard they're going to go for it. 643 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 6: Scott Harris, their president baseball Operations, is pretty disciplined, and 644 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 6: I would say a borderline rigid in the way he 645 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,479 Speaker 6: goes about it. He's risk averse in my opinion. I 646 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 6: know he would disagree. But you've got Trek Schoobel for 647 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 6: one more year. You've gone to the playoffs two straight 648 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 6: years with him. 649 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 4: He's a big part of that. He's won two straight. 650 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 6: Cy Young Awards. Why wouldn't you put your best foot 651 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 6: forward here? I'm not saying do anything stupid, but what 652 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 6: does that mean? It means going out and getting another 653 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 6: bat and a number two starter behind him and fixing 654 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 6: your bullpen. 655 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 4: That's what That's a lot though, it's a lot. 656 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 2: But where did Scott Harris come from? 657 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 4: Chicago Cubs? And they in San Francisco Giants? 658 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 2: And what are they? Both? Those organizations very averse. 659 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 4: To spending and risk and risk pretty much the entire 660 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 4: industry is averse. 661 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 2: We've had this. That's a whole different conversation, but you 662 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 2: see what I'm saying, Scott Harris came from, especially the Cubs. 663 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 2: The Cubs won't go out and make that huge splash 664 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 2: move right right? The Giants with he was under far Han, right, 665 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 2: so he was kind of tall. Hey you can win 666 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 2: if you find little tiny margins that is, I mean. See, 667 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 2: so that's my question with the Times. 668 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 6: Scott Harris's point would be, hey, we've done really well. 669 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 6: We've made the playoffs too straight, here's what the game 670 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 6: and absolutely, but the Tigers are not the Guardians. 671 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 4: That's a big old market and it. 672 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 6: Seems to me they had an owner once upon a time, 673 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 6: the late Mike Gillich, who did not even act like 674 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 6: they were in medium sized market. 675 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 4: He spent. 676 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 6: It's an owner's choice in many cases too, to do 677 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 6: at this level or this level. Peter Sidler, the late 678 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 6: Peter Siler, great example, transform that franchise by spending. 679 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 4: Now, they haven't won the. 680 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 6: World Series and they've had their problems, we all get that. 681 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 6: But packing that stadium, they're putting an entertaining product on 682 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 6: the field. It's a flawed product many times, but it's entertaining. 683 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 4: That's the other way. 684 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,719 Speaker 1: Let me ask you about your latest ka tell Marte's trademarket. 685 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,479 Speaker 1: What are you hearing and do you think he actually 686 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: gets moved? Of course the dimacks are you know, giving 687 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: you the classic anywhere they've spoken, you know, Mike Casan Oh, 688 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: you know, we'll listen on anyone. But it would take 689 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: the world if we're gonna move. 690 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 4: That's typical. 691 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: But what's the real situation. 692 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 6: My belief is they want to move him so they 693 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 6: can fill some of the holes that they have on 694 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 6: their team, and they have pitching holes right now in 695 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 6: particular outfield, maybe as well where Jordan Lawler's gonna end up. 696 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: It's not clear. 697 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 6: But as I wrote, these things take time, and they 698 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 6: take time. The Diamondbacks knew that three years ago they 699 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 6: traded var Show. It was almost Christmas Eve, but they 700 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 6: started those talks of the winter meetings. It's particularly complicated 701 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 6: in Martine's case because of all that happened last year, 702 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 6: the three days he missed at the after the All 703 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 6: Star break, when he was back in the Dominican Republic 704 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 6: after his home in Scott'sdale was burglarized, the article that 705 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 6: came out in Arizona Republic by Nick Boccoro detailing the players' 706 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 6: frustrations with him. 707 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 4: Now, if you're a team looking at. 708 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 6: Catel Marte, you're gonna look into this pretty heavily before 709 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 6: you pay that price, and that might be part of 710 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 6: the delay here too. So I can't predict whether he 711 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 6: will be traded, but if I had to bet, I 712 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 6: would bet yes, because tenth day of the season, his 713 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 6: ten and five rights kick in. 714 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 4: And then he has a full note trade clause. 715 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: He's the best second basement in baseball in my opinion. 716 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 4: Where you go, there any number of places he can go. 717 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 2: Give me, give me, give me two. 718 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 6: Boston would be one, and they've been in the in 719 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 6: the mix depends on Bragman. Of course, the Mets now 720 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 6: with Simon would not be a team Phillies. I'm sure 721 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,320 Speaker 6: they're a number of teams that heard. 722 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: What about the Pirates? 723 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 5: They can't what about that's that's the kind of the Pirates. 724 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: That's what I said yesterday. And they have young Yeah, 725 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: this guy can hit their offense with garbage lash and 726 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: they need everything. I mean, Ben Jenson said, I need contact, 727 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: I need a little power, and this is everything in 728 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: a hitter. It's true, and it's in their price ring. 729 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: That's a good call, right, five hundred dish whatever that that. 730 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 6: They're getting hit on some of the younger pitchers, even 731 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 6: after the Oviato trade, and and they could possibly move 732 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 6: another to get the right back. 733 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: Two more teams that have trade situations going on. Cardinals, 734 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 1: What do you think about Brendan Donovan? I know you 735 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,280 Speaker 1: wrote about Gorman, newtbar etc. Contreras Donovan. 736 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 6: I think goes It's very popular with a number of 737 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 6: teams because he can do anything right in field, outfield, 738 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 6: whatever you want him to be. They'll probably trade another 739 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 6: one of their left handed hitters too with the nuke 740 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,800 Speaker 6: Bar Gorman. I don't think it will be Burlson and Wilson. 741 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 6: Contreras is an interesting guy. Two years, about forty one million, 742 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 6: with the buyout on the third year as a reasonable 743 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 6: price in a shortage or in a situation where there 744 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 6: is a shortage. 745 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 4: Of right handed hitters. So I could see that happening too. 746 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 6: And then there's Arnatto, and I would expect that they're 747 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 6: going to try really hard to find a spot for him. 748 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,240 Speaker 4: Maybe after all this settles. 749 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: Okay, And then last one the Nationals have Mackenzie Gore 750 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 1: maybe c J. Abrams you wrote about what do you 751 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: think happens there? It's a new GM. I liked his 752 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 1: first move. I liked yeah like Ford. 753 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 6: Yes, it's interesting situation. Britcherali just wrote about this with 754 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 6: the Nationals. So if the Nationals come in and think, 755 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 6: you know what, we're bringing in new people, new pitching coach, 756 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 6: new analytics, maybe we can make McKenzie Gore better and 757 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 6: his value will be even higher at the deadline when 758 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 6: there's no free agent competition. 759 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 4: That's one way to look at it. 760 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 6: The risk in that is McKenzie Gore blows out or 761 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 6: gets injured in any way in the first half and 762 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 6: then his value plummets. So if I were the Nationals, 763 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 6: I'd probably do it now, and I probably wait for 764 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,399 Speaker 6: maybe not even wait for the top free agents to sign. 765 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 6: Mackenzie Gore is a total stud and he would transform 766 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 6: a team. So if I'm the Nuts, I'm looking to 767 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,959 Speaker 6: do it now. C j Abrams it's not as clear, 768 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 6: but they are drawing interest in him, and it's a 769 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,399 Speaker 6: similar kind of thing. There aren't a lot of shortstops 770 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,359 Speaker 6: out there. Bulbashet Is, some teams don't see him that way. 771 00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 6: Hashan Kim of course. So if you can get seed 772 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 6: j Abrams three more years, that's pretty enticing. 773 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: Gors Jekyll and Hyde pitchers, So I would be careful. Yeah, 774 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,360 Speaker 1: when he's good, he's a one ye, he's not good. 775 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 6: But he's this past season it got If I'm a team, 776 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 6: a contending team that has a strong pitching program, He's 777 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,359 Speaker 6: exactly the kind of guy that teams think, given to us, 778 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 6: we'll fix. 779 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 1: It right And for the Nats though, if he has 780 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: a bad first staff, now, yeah, then you got a problem. 781 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:27,800 Speaker 1: You got a problem? 782 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 4: Yeah? 783 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Ken, good stuff. 784 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 2: I get two questions for him, all right, quick quick? 785 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame yes or no? 786 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 4: I need to get back to work. 787 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame yes or no? Should more than Jeff 788 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 2: Ken have got in on the committee? 789 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 6: My feeling is a j I would have been comfortable 790 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 6: with any of those eight, honestly, so I would have 791 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 6: been happy to see any of the eight getting now. Yeah, 792 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 6: I know as I say that the BBWA did not 793 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 6: elect these guys. I didn't vote for all of them, 794 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 6: but I would have been comfortable with any of them. 795 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 4: So Kent was a good choice, no question. I would have. 796 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 2: Yes, unbelievable office was great. 797 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 4: I saw what was the other question? 798 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 2: You're the bravest man in Orlando right now? You have 799 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 2: an iPhone with no case. What happens if you drop it? 800 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 1: It gets scratched and he moves on he lives. He 801 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,800 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be one hundred percent to perform. 802 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 4: I'm not that brave and I'm not that I should 803 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 4: get a new case. There's one thing he learned. 804 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 2: He doesn't need load management. 805 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, that's that's it. 806 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 1: From Ken More on Fair Territory on Friday, special episode 807 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: for meetings. There it is. And have a family par