1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: Let's put all of that out there as well, so 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 1: we can pass judgment about how the how the investigation 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: was conducted, or at least the predicate for the investigation 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: was conducted during the Obama year, right. Going to one 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: of the more interesting aspects of this, the whole Steel dossier, 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: the Carter Page warrant and the rest of it, that's 7 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: going to be one of those topics we hit at 8 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: greater length tomorrow. I suspect but a gentleman who worked 9 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: with Marco Rubio, who we just heard, Lanhachen, the host 10 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: of the podcast Crossing Lines with lanha Chen, also the 11 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: David and Diane Stephy Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution 12 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: and the director of Domestic Policy Studies and Lecture in 13 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: the Public Policy Program at Stanford University, joins us now 14 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: loan here. How are you, sir, Joe? Good morning, How 15 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: are you terrific? Thanks? It's a it's an really really 16 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 1: interesting day on so many levels. What have you found 17 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 1: yourself thinking about most in the last forty eight hours 18 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: or so with the Muller report out, at least in 19 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: summary form. Well, it's interesting because I think, on the 20 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: one hand, it didn't really change the dialogue of either side. 21 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: You know, the Democrats all along have been banking on 22 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: this investigation. You'll notice that they have expanded the field 23 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: of their discussion to say any investigation of the president 24 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: that in some ways it almost didn't matter what was 25 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: in the Mulla report, because they have now expanded the 26 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: field beyond just the allegations of Russian collusion to say, essentially, 27 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: look at all these misdiefs the presidents engaging. And then 28 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: of course, for conservatives and those who support President Trump, 29 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: it's a it's a vindication of what they've been saying 30 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 1: all along regarding the president's alleged collusion with the Russians. 31 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: So it's funny. Yes, it is a big deal, and 32 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: I think it is clearly a huge victory for the president, 33 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: but it does not, in my mind, change the political 34 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: dialogue that we're in, this really toxic cycle where Democrats 35 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: and progressives believe what they believe in Republicans and supports 36 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: of the president believe what they believe, and that's not 37 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: going to change. Tell me if I'm wrong on this, 38 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: because you could be right, and in a way I 39 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: hope you're right, because I would prefer frankly that the 40 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: Republicans win the next midterm. I don't hide my my 41 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 1: political leanings. On the other hand, I think it'd be 42 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: insane if the Democrats continued down this road, because the 43 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: strategy might not have changed. But it's like I'm watching 44 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: a football game and and they said, we're gonna come 45 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: out and throw the ball. Well, now the winds blowing 46 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: at sixty miles per hour. And by that I mean 47 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: the American people have become very, very cynical about investigations 48 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: in general. Is has made clear by the poll that 49 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: came out last week. I think it was before the 50 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: results of the Muller investigation even came out. You have 51 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: fifty saying yeah, this is a witch hunt. I mean, 52 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: if you continue to throw a ball in the face 53 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: of that sixty wind, I think you're crazy. You. I 54 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: think you're right, Joe. But I think what the challenges 55 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: for the Democrats is this, they have a progressive base 56 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: that is increasingly becoming influential in in how the Democratic 57 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: mainstream thing, and and those folks I'm talking about Bernie 58 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: Sanders and Alexandriacagio Cortez, etcetera. These folks are going to 59 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: continue with that same strategy visavi the president. So they're 60 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: not going to change, and they're gonna place tremendous pressure 61 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: on those who might want to take a more moderate line. 62 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: Let's say, someone like Joe Biden or even Nancy Pelosi, 63 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: who wants to say, look, let's focus on ways in 64 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: which the Trump administration might not be serving the American people. 65 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: Whatever the line they want to take is, those folks 66 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: are going to be outshouted by the progressive left. And 67 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: I think the progressive left would love to continue to 68 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: go after President Trump. And and it doesn't matter what 69 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: the Mulla report says. I mean, they've been laying the 70 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: groundwork for this for the last week. They've said, look, 71 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: the Mulla Report is fine, we want to First of all, 72 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: they're at the same they want to see the whole report. 73 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: And second of all, they're saying, you know, regardless of 74 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: what happens in the report, you've got all sorts of 75 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: different pending investigations in the Southern District of New York, etcetera. 76 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: So I don't imagine Joe the strategy is going to 77 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: change a whole lot for many Democrats. But I would 78 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: hope um for the same. The political competitiveness that they 79 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: would take a different line. So, Lanie, if you were 80 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: in charge then of White House messaging, and I think 81 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: that would be a huge step forward if you were, UM. 82 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: But if you were in charge, what other than obviously 83 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: there is no collusion, what themes would you really hammer 84 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: in the coming weeks and in a few months, UM, 85 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: in contrast to what you just described, well, I would 86 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: I would come back to this basic point, which is 87 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: that the that the fundamentals of the economy at this 88 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: point looked looked pretty good. Americans by and large are 89 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: doing well, which is not to say that there aren't 90 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: any problems. President Trump's policies have been UM, have been 91 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: relatively positive for many Americans. I would focus on how 92 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: the administration is trying to do what it can to 93 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: improve the lives of Americans while Democrats are busy, uh, 94 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: perpetuating this witch hunt that even Bob Mueller, even somebody 95 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: that they had said was it was a neutral arbiter 96 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: of the fact, even he has said that there was 97 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: nothing there. And yet they continue to be obsessed with Trump. 98 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: While they're obsessed with Trump, Trump is obsessed with helping 99 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: the American people, and and that's the message I would 100 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: come back to. I imagine that they're going to spend 101 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: a couple of days, by the way, because the president 102 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: will want to take a victory lap on this, and 103 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: I do hope they move beyond that to to begin 104 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: to address the substance, because I do think the President's 105 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: got a case to run for re election on that's 106 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: pretty solid. Right Well, Listen, I may be asking a 107 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: horse to play the clarinet here, but I've got to 108 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 1: believe if in the last month of the campaign, Trump 109 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 1: could adopt a Listen, I know I rub a lot 110 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: of people the wrong way. It's just it's me and 111 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: and I don't I'm sorry about that, but I really 112 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: care about this country above If he could be a 113 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: little self, if facing a little I understand, I piss 114 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: you people off. I understand I'm a tough guy to take, 115 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 1: you know, Assuming that there are no giant historic changes 116 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: as to what's going on in the country, I could 117 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: see that being really, really effective. Yeah, And I think 118 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: he could. He could do quite well. I mean I 119 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: think he could. Um, he could win more states than 120 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: he did in sixteen even and and a larger percentage 121 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: of the of the popular vote. I would also say, 122 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: you know that the one thing, just to go back 123 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: to the short term impact of this report. There's been 124 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: a lot of talk, you know, amongst the media, especially about, 125 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: you know, will there be a Republican challenger to the president. 126 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: I think the outcome of the Mulla report all but 127 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: guarantees there will not be a serious challenge to the 128 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: president from within the Republican party. So he's gonna be 129 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: running unopposed or as the Democrat. We're going to have 130 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 1: a blood bath here over the next six months. Lani 131 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: Chen is the host of the podcast Crossing Lines with 132 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: Lanha Chen. Do you have any thoughts on the question 133 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: of obstruction of justice? I thought that was really interesting 134 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: to me. The Special Council said, yeah, there's stuff that 135 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: looks like it, but there's stuff that makes it look 136 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: like probably not, and there wasn't an underlying crime, So 137 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: just done. I'll know. I mean, that's more or less 138 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: what he said. Yeah, I mean what it was interesting 139 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: us The line obviously that opponents of the president are 140 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: seizing on to say that that the Special Council wasn't 141 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: able to exonerate the president of the charge of obstruction. 142 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: There's two things to bear in mind here. One is 143 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: the Special Council makes the point, according to the Attorney 144 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: General's letter, that everything the president had done potentially that 145 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: could make up an obstruction charge was done in public. 146 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: So it's not like there's anything secretive or furtive that's 147 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: going on here. If you believe what the president did 148 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: made out a case for obstruction, everything he did was 149 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: in public. That's the first point. The second point is, look, 150 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: it's up to the charging authority in this case, the 151 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: Attorney General, to determine whether whether the accumulated evidence makes 152 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: up a charge of obstruction, and and and so I 153 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: think the Special Council felt, look, we we certainly don't 154 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: have enough to pass judgment. The Attorney General felt that 155 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: that he and his team didn't have enough to pass judgment, 156 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: and and and so I think this is one of 157 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: those things where, to the extent there is any political 158 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: wiggle room for the Democrats to argue the Mueller report 159 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: was full to Trump, they're going to seize on this point. 160 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: But this point is such a specific point of law 161 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: that I don't think they're going to have a very 162 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: very good time trying to actually make headway out of 163 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: this one. And if a political fodder. To be sure, 164 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: would you agree with me that I posited earlier in 165 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: the show that Donald J. Trump, real estate magnate, simply 166 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: took too much of his management playbook into the Oval 167 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: office with him and saying, look, this project is dead. 168 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: It's it's stupid, like for instance, the Flynn investigation or 169 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: the Russia collusion investigation. He was being a ceo saying, 170 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: you know this, this hotel is never gonna make money. 171 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: We gotta close it. It's dumb, and which is fine 172 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: as a real estate magnate, but as president, it looks 173 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: like obstruction of justice. I think that's probably what happened. Yeah, yeah, 174 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: I think you're right. I mean, I think that there 175 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: are a lot of things about First of all, nobody's 176 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: prepared to be president on day one. I don't care 177 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 1: how many jobs you've had before that might qualify you. 178 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 1: And and added at the fact that you know, Donald 179 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: Trump came out of a private sector culture that's pretty 180 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: different from a political culture, from from being a politician before. 181 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think there was a learning curve. I 182 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: think the way that he conducted himself probably was very 183 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 1: similar to how he conducted himself in the private sector. 184 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: So I think you're absolutely right on that account, and 185 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: I and I do think that. Again, the Special counsel 186 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: by by saying essentially, look, if you wanted to claim 187 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: obstruction obstruction of justice, there is nothing else you need 188 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: to know, or there's nothing else you need to look 189 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: at than what he did publicly, you can decide that. 190 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: In my mind, the President can certainly use to his 191 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: favor because he can say, look, the only thing they're 192 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: alleging is stuff that's out of the open. So you 193 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: you'd be the judge if you think this was what 194 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: it was. But I think you're absolutely right. It goes 195 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: back to his conduct as a businessman, and I think 196 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: a lot of people would say, yeah, I mean as 197 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: a businessman, I completely understand that. Now as president of 198 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: standards different, but um, you know, I don't think it's 199 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: enough to to to create a debt in Trump's armor 200 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: going forward. What's crossing lines with lanh Chen going to 201 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: be about this week? Well, we haven't done an episode 202 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: a little while, in part because I've been on vacation. Uh, 203 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: we are gonna we are going to spend back up. 204 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: I've got a couple of guests in the hopper for 205 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: the coming week. Some I'm working on the on on 206 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: economic policy. Some I'm talking a little bit about the 207 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: future of the healthcare debate. But this week we're gonna 208 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: do something on Mueller. Have to figure out who the 209 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: guests is gonna be. But but but hopefully it'll be 210 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 1: something good and we'll have that episode out by the 211 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: end of the week. I think, well, if you run 212 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: out of actual smart people to talk to, we'll talk 213 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: to you. But anyway, that would be fun. We have 214 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: to do that sometimes, we really do. That'd be a 215 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: lot of fun. We'd be delighted. Absolutely, it would be 216 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,599 Speaker 1: an honor. Lana ch Chen is the host of the 217 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: podcast Crossing the Lines. Lani chen Fellow with the Hoover Institution, 218 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 1: heads up the domestic Policy department at Stanford. Lani, it's 219 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: always a pleasure. Thanks a million, thanks to a good day. 220 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: You got it? Uh so, yeah, I just it's funny. 221 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: I'm so much more into governance than politics. Jack's usually 222 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: the guy who really really wants to talk about the 223 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: politics of the stuff. But I'm telling you, just going 224 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: forward the whole we've got to investigate. I just think 225 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: the the amount of eye rolling on the right and 226 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: in the Center over that very idea is well, I 227 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be overwhelming. And listen, I'm not saying 228 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: it's completely nuts. If you can uncover the fact that 229 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: you know, Donald Trump actually was the guy who committed 230 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 1: the Son of Sam murders in the eighties or something 231 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: like that, I mean, well that was the seventies, I guess, 232 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: But I mean, go ahead, I suppose because that would 233 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: hurt the hell out of him in the election. But 234 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: I just I don't love your chances and coming up 235 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: with something like that, and you got fifty of Americans 236 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: at least thinking it's all witch Huntissa, Well, good luck, 237 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: Adam Schiff. You're listening to the Armstrong and Getty Show.