WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Memories 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:06.519 Hi, get everybody on dan board, and thanks for downloading 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:11.280 The Bengals Booth Podcast. The and the Memories, Bring Back Memories, 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:16.439 Bring Back You. Addition, as we celebrate Ken Riley's long 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:20.160 overdue selection to the Pro Football Hall of Fame and 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:24.119 paid tribute to A. J. Greene, who announced his retirement 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:27.720 on Monday. Plus, we'll head to Arizona and check in 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:31.160 with Bengals dot Com editor Jeff Butch Hobson, who's on 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:35.200 location for Super Bowl fifty seven. The Bengals Booth Podcast 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:38.280 is brought to you by Kettering Health, the official healthcare 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:41.200 provider of the Bengals. 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I don't know about you, 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:23.319 but I'm a big fan of the drive through style, 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:27.880 like Mike's car washing Cincinnati. Sure it's more expensive than 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:31.119 doing it yourself, but I enjoy sitting in my car 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:35.160 for the whole process. The brushes and bristles, the lighted 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:38.039 signs that tell you when wax is being applied or 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:43.200 the undercarriage is being cleaned. It's like a very, very 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:49.320 slow amusement park ride. Now let's get to football. Twenty 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:52.880 five years after Anthony Munios became the first and still 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:56.120 only Bengals player to be inducted into the Pro Football 0:01:56.160 --> 0:02:00.160 Hall of Fame, he finally has company, as Ken Riley 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.520 will be enshrined in August. That was made official on 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:06.560 Thursday when this year's Hall of Fame class was announced 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:10.600 at the NFL Honors ceremony. Riley was one of three 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:14.960 players chosen in the Senior category, along with Chuck Howley 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:18.880 and Joe Cleco. Willie Anderson was a finalist in the 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:22.040 Modern Era category, but we'll have to wait for at 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:25.919 least another year. Ken Riley spent fifteen seasons in a 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:29.880 Bengals uniform, and his sixty five career interceptions is tied 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:35.440 for fifth most in NFL history, a remarkable accomplishment considering 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:39.760 that he didn't even play defense at Florida A and M. 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:43.799 Here are Mike Brown and Bob Trumpy on now Hall 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:51.600 of Famer Ken Riley. Kenny came here as quarterback and 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:55.800 we had Greg Cook. This was before greed Good injured. 0:02:56.760 --> 0:03:01.560 Training camp and the quarterbacks would stand and pretty much 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:03.959 watched Greg, and it was obvious who was going to 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:08.080 be the quarterback. Greg was the best player we ever had, 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:13.200 and Kenny was standing there when my dad came over 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:16.919 about the third day he had been in camp and 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:20.160 said to Kenny, you go over there. And that was 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:23.720 the extent of the conversation. Over there was with the 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:30.120 defensive backs, and Kenny went and proceeded to play for US. 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:33.120 I don't know how many years, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, whatever 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:38.720 it was, it was forever. He was a player with 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:43.360 great composure. He could play the ball in the air, 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:46.360 all his poise, knew what was going on, was in 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:51.320 position as he should be on every play, and even 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:57.120 though he was somewhat slight and billed, he was a 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:03.640 firest tackler, one player maneuver he had that was his alone. 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:06.640 I've seen other guys do it, but not not do 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:12.760 it as a regular routine, or they would do just 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:16.640 on occasions when it happened without thinking, can you do 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:20.400 it purposefully? He would come up on these guys who 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:25.040 caught the ball in front of him, and as they 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:28.280 were catching the ball looking back towards the line of scrimmage, 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:30.440 he'd come from behind and hit him right under the 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:34.599 rump and they would go for a cart wheel in 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:41.080 the air, literally, and not all of them kept the ball. 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:46.279 When that went on, he would dislodge the ball from them. 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:50.200 But it was a maneuver that was routine for him, 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:54.360 and I've often wondered why others didn't pick it up 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:57.960 and do it as just a regular way of play. 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:01.440 It didn't seem to hurt anybody. They went for a ride, 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:04.120 but they all came down in a heap and got 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:09.800 right back up. It wasn't injurious. It was just enough 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:13.560 of a blow that it cut their attention, and it 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:16.120 would catch your attention if you saw it as well. 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:19.599 So Kenny had the ability to be rough and tough 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:25.799 as well as smart, and he's so deserving, wonderful teammate, 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:32.800 appreciative of your effort. I never heard him say a 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:42.680 bad word about anybody, always laughing. In fact, Dan, when 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:45.680 I first found out that Ken Riley had been a 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:50.920 quarterback in college, I was astonished because he was so quiet. 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:53.800 He was a hard guy to get to know, not 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:59.000 because of any personality flaw. He was a hard guy 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:02.119 to get to know because he was so studious about 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:05.480 what he was doing and so serious about it. And 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:10.279 the thing that I remembered most about him, and we 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:14.120 had two practices a day, an hour and fifteen minutes each, 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:18.240 seven days a week for two months in preparation for 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.840 the season, and other than getting his ankles taped, I 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:27.920 never saw Ken Riley in the training room. So then 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:31.719 we sat down to tables for breakfast, lunch, and dinner 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:34.280 with anybody and everybody. We didn't care what color they 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:37.839 were or where they lived. And every time I sat 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:41.040 down with Ken Riley, You're not going to believe this, 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:47.719 but I kind of dominated the conversation. Maybe I didn't 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:53.000 give Ken Riley a chance, but I was friendly with 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:58.760 all of them. But every time somebody started, I'm on 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:02.159 the sideline with the offense the defenses out there. There 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:04.720 seemed a period of time where every time there was 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:07.240 a big cheer from the stands at Rubert Front Stadium, 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:10.280 it was something that Ken Riley had done. He'd either 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:15.920 lowball the Lance Alworth or a notice Taylor the Kansas 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:22.040 City Chiefs, pupped them over, or had an interception. But again, personally, 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:27.560 he was just great to be around. The wonderful guy, 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.320 and there was so much about him. I didn't know 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:33.840 about him until later on in our careers, and then 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:36.080 after he retired. I wish I'd have known it more. 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:39.760 I should have shut up and listened to him. Later 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:42.280 on the podcast, I'll visit with Bengals dot Com editor 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:45.840 Jeff Hobson, who is a Hall of Fame voter. We'll 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:49.120 discuss Ken Riley getting in, how things look for Willie 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:53.640 Anderson and Ken Anderson going forward, and the latest Bengals topics, 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:58.600 including a possible contract extension for Joe Burrow. The Bengals 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:00.840 Booth podcast is brought to you by pay Corps. More 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:04.080 than twenty nine thousand customers trust pay Corps to help 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:09.320 them recruit, pay, engage, and retain employees. Learn more at 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:13.720 paycorps dot Com. AJ Green announced his retirement this week 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:17.000 after twelve years in the NFL that includes the two 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:21.360 nineteen season that he missed due to injury. AJ ranked 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:26.040 second in team history behind Chad Johnson in receptions, receiving yards, 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:30.880 and touchdown catches. Oddly enough, Ken Riley had sixty five 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:35.480 interceptions and AJ Green had sixty five touchdown grabs in 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:39.320 a Bengals uniform, beginning with a fourth quarter game winner 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:44.280 in his NFL debut from Bruce Gradkowski. A good trivia 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:48.040 question to beat the Cleveland Browns. For whatever reason, I 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:50.880 don't have the radio call of that first touchdown pass 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:54.079 in my archives, but I have most of the other ones. 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:57.960 So let's listen back to about three minutes worth of 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:01.400 AJ in action now and I formation backfield on first 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:03.240 and ten, play action fake with out of the right, 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:07.240 got ball for a wide open catches at the eighteen. 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:14.520 It's a touchdown for Adriel Jeremiah Green, his eighth consecutive 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:18.680 game with a touchdown catch on a beautiful fifty seven 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:21.920 yard bomb from the red rifle to play action fake. 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:24.480 Dalton sets up to throw, he rangs it deep for 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:27.160 a wide up in ah a Green catches its time. 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:30.800 Look at him go at the twenty ten the five 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:40.440 touchdown Bengals eighty one yards to eighteen. Adriel Jeremiah Green 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:43.680 boy out to the right, here's a past. AJ wriggles 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.520 out of an ankle tackle and runs into the end 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:52.280 zone for a Bengals touchdown. Great yak yards after catch 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:56.640 produces a touchdown for Adriel Jeremiah Green. Dalton takes a 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:59.520 shotgun snap against the five man rush. He's gonna fire 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:02.760 a teach. AJ Green is hoping he bobbles it. He's 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:05.480 got it half the funny, great God, he's still running 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:13.640 ten five touchdown Adriel Jeremiah Green seventy seven yards. The 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:17.720 former juggler as a kid made a juggling catch and 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:20.160 took it to the house to give the Bengals a 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:23.440 twenty one to sixteen lead. On first and ten, Dalton 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:25.960 fakes to mix and tis a high Indeed. J Green 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:29.120 catches half the Buffalo forty s pretty curveen on the 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:36.280 field of Club of Gene five touchdown by seventy seven yards. 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:41.440 Andy Dalton finding a J Green, who roasted the rookie 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:45.400 cornerback R. Davis White Boy goes in motion Dalton back 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:48.319 to throw, steps up, keeps it long. AJ Green is 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:54.080 won agmen, He's gonna touched down Bengals as Andy Dalton 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:59.480 floated a high rainbow fifty four yards down field, a 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:03.400 touch down to AJ Green. No rivas island there. It 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:06.680 is third and seven at the Pittsburgh twenty five. McCarron 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:09.520 five yards behind the line, takes a shotgun snap. It's 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:13.480 a four man rush. AJ gunfield free. J Green catching 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:19.240 there and goes into the end zone. Touchdown Bengals, a 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:24.679 twenty five yard touchdown, and the Bengals have a one 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.720 point lead. Dalton back to throw. We're down to five 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:29.760 seconds left and a half. He's gonna throw a high, 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:33.199 deep hail Mary pass into the end JJ and it 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:40.680 is Baba Yea makes the catch. I'm the ricochet hail Mary, 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:45.640 a forty nine yard touchdown pass as a prairie is 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:52.240 answered in the end zone by Adriel Jeremiah Green. Over 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:55.080 the years, the Bengals have probably had more great players 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:59.600 at wide receiver than any other position. Isaac Curtis, Chris 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:04.160 colin Worth, Carl Pickens, Chad Johnson, t J. Hushman, Zada, 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:08.480 AJ Green, and the current trio of Boyd, Higgins and 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:14.880 Chase Here's Mike Brown on AJ Green. If I had 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:18.520 a starting all time Bengals team, he'd be on him. 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:24.079 He brings a different package. He's fast, but not as 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:28.600 fast as Easy. He's quick, but not as quick as Chad. 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:38.320 He has a tremendous catching radius and a very competitive spirit. 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:45.240 You feel really secure with him on one side. They 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:47.480 have to overplay him. They know if they don't, they're 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:51.080 in trouble. And yes, you're right when you say we've 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:54.560 had a number of top white outs over the years. 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:58.920 I think probably that is a position where we've had 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:02.600 more than our share of great players. The Bengals Booth 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:06.040 podcast is brought to you by Bengals Picks and Ultimate Bengals. 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:09.120 They're free to play with tickets and signed merchandise up 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:14.000 for grabs. Find both inside the Bengals app. After AJ 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:17.480 announced his retirement, I asked on Twitter if there were 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:20.920 any highlights or memories that you wanted me to include 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:24.800 in this podcast. I got a response from at Governor 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:27.960 Chief asking if I ever did a fun fact segment 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:33.200 with Aj. The answer is yes. Green's rookie year was 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:36.280 my rookie year. As the Bengals Radio Voice, and that 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:39.679 weekly segment was still in its infancy. It was only 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:43.240 about five minutes long back then. It's typically twice that 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:47.800 long now. But here's twenty three year old AJ Green 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:54.280 time for fantastic Funch Facts with eight reel Jeremiah Green. 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:58.000 Anybody in your life that ushes your real name sometime? 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:01.880 My parents about it. Nobody else did. They used to 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:03.760 drop it on you when you got in trouble. Yeah, 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:07.199 my mom did. All right, your South Carolina kid, tell 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:09.440 us a little bit about where you're from. I'm from 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:14.760 this little country place called Vigil, South Carolina. No nothing 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:18.720 out there. This is a country area. And you just 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:22.320 went to Serville High School and that's what I played football. 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:26.440 Speaking of Summerville High School, your high school football coach 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:30.440 is the winningest high school football coach, John McKissick. Still 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:32.840 going strong at eighty five, Is that right? Yeah? Eighty 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:37.840 five is unbelievable. But he's still active. He's still coaches, 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:41.440 So this is unbelievable. What was he like? Uh, you know, 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:44.320 he was really outgoing, always talking, you know, trying to coach. 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:46.800 You know, he got rained over a couple of times 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:48.720 on the sideline. So I don't know how he's still coaching, 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:51.480 but he's a great guy. I read somewhere that he's 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:54.520 retired one number in his fifty nine years or sixty 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:57.040 years of high school coaching. It's yours. That must mean 0:14:57.080 --> 0:15:00.360 a lot. Yeah, definitely, man, it's coming from him. You know, 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:02.320 he seems a lot of great that that came through 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.200 that program. And you know, I would just honor so 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:08.720 tenth grade high school, he verbally commit to Georgia. What 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:12.400 was it about the Bulldogs that enthralled yourself? It was 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:15.000 just coach Raking, you know, just preaching to be a 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.280 better man after the life for football, and I felt 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:20.480 I could go anywhere and play and uh but just 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:23.480 give me that that that that like growing up and 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:25.520 being a man and being on my own, and I 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:28.400 felt like coach was the best man for that. So 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:30.760 after you did that, a bunch of big time coaches 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:32.680 from other schools kept coming around trying to get you 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:35.040 to change your mind. Right, Yeah, definitely, But you know 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:37.560 I stayed firm, and uh, you know I held it through. 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:40.280 Who is your childhood hero? Um? You know my g 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:42.800 got to be my parents, you know, just they always 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:46.080 pushed high work and uh, you know, always said nothing 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.360 as easy, Always have to work for, gotta be my parents, 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:51.880 did you have an athletic hero, somebody who's poster was 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:54.520 on your bedroom wall? Anything like that? Part of Michael Jordan, 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:57.400 you know, because he always strives to stuff to be great. 0:15:57.440 --> 0:15:59.280 And that's what I'm trying to do. All right. So 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:01.840 you're the number four we're picking this year's draft. Obviously, 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:06.280 whoever that is is well compensated. What what's your splurge? 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:08.960 What do you spend money on? Um? You know, I'm 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:11.800 just not really a big spender, but a little clothing shoes, 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:14.200 that's my passion, even though I don't even get dressed 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:16.840 dressed that much, but uh, you know, just just knowledge 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:18.760 that I note that I have them is always good. 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:22.240 So a close horse. Yeah, clothing shoes, all right. I 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:25.000 read it somewhere that you were on a juggling team 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:27.280 as a kid. Yeah. What do they do in the 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:30.720 juggling team? You know, you just juggle a different item 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:33.040 like balls, scars, all kind of stuff like that. And 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:35.920 we used to perform at halftimes a basketball game, so 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:38.360 kind of fun. How many things could you get in 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:41.920 the air? Four four? And then then after sixth grade, 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:43.400 I'm like, man, it's not cool no more, so I 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:46.640 just quick AJ's it like riding a bike? Could you 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:49.280 still juggle if we had four objects here right now? 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:52.520 Oh yeah, definitely. Uh Gatoray did like a little special 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:54.960 on me with a little juggling stuff, so I still 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:57.080 got it this radio, so I'm not going to ask 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:58.840 you too, So you're off the hook for now. Anyway. 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:02.520 Have you had any other jobs other than professional athlete? Oh? Yeah, 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:06.240 I had one job at the store, like department store 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:08.359 like Stephen Bears and I used to work as xpies, 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.600 but my coach made me quit of both, I mean 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:13.440 both jobs because he said I have my whole life 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:16.840 to work, so you know, I just focused on athletics. Well, 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:19.240 they sold shoes there, so you were able to indulge 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:21.760 your habit probably for for liking shoes, right, yeah, a 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:25.679 little bit for like two weeks. All right, what NFL 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:28.879 star do you look forward to meeting? That'd be probably 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:32.159 this scene pay Manny. You know, you know, just watching 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:34.480 the whole my whole life growing up, and you know, 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:36.520 just now I'm here like playing on the same field, 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:39.240 well not playing on the same field but in the NFL, 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:42.600 but up Pay many when you have Matt big time 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:44.639 people over the last year or two, are you a 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:47.359 little bit awestruck? Are you over that? No? I think 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:50.200 I'm over that now, So all right, fair enough. When 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:52.520 you're not at work, what do you enjoy doing? Probably 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:56.200 to sleeping and playing video games? How late the sleep 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:58.359 when you can? I mean, if you've got the freedom 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:01.959 to sleep, how late will you go? Two o'clock, three o'clock? 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:05.919 You know no longer an option in the NFL. Exactly 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:09.480 that you're lacking means and need to get your wrist 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:11.680 when camp. All right, You're off the hot seat. Thanks, 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:15.080 thank you. As I told Aj in a text this week, 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:18.000 it was truly a privilege to broadcast his games for 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:20.640 nine seasons, and I look forward to the day when 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:24.280 he enters the Bengals Ring of Honor. The Bengals Booth 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:27.720 Podcast is brought to you by Alta Fiber, future proof 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:32.439 fiber Internet capable of delivering multi gigabit speeds designed to 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:35.080 take your home, business and community to a new level. 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:39.840 Elevate your connection with Alta Fiber. Now time for my 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:43.440 conversation with Bengals dot Com editor and Hall of Fame 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:47.920 voter Jeff Butch Hobson, Jeff. It is a night for 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:51.240 the Bengals organization in Bengals fans to rejoices. Ken Riley 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:53.800 is officially going into the Pro Football Hall of Fame 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:56.600 in August. You are one of forty nine people on 0:18:56.640 --> 0:19:00.840 the selection committee. What ultimately got the rattler over the hump? 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:05.840 I think when they expanded the committee, when they expanded 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:12.000 the uh senior nominations from one to three, only one 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:14.600 senior was able to get in a year. It was 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:16.360 just too tight of a call. I mean, they tell 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:20.800 you about those uh those meetings where you know, you 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:22.760 got to come out with one senior and there would 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:25.479 be fifteen. There'll be a list of fifteen guys. And 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:28.960 Ron Borge's the great Ron Borgers of a long time 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:31.520 pro football writer. Would you know, he'd tell you they 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:34.080 when we when we left the room, that were Hall 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:38.080 of famers strewn about the floor and U so opening 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:41.520 it up. And also I think there's been a great 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:44.760 effort on the ground to help get him in. To 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:48.080 be aware, to be aware of those sixty five interceptions. 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:52.840 You know can point to Fingle, Jim Jim Foster, you know, 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:55.959 with his trips to Canton and you can look at 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:59.199 just at the sixty five interceptions himself that that I 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:01.480 think that that held up over time. I mean that 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:05.720 it's amazing how how great that number is when you 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:10.800 consider that since Kenny retired in nineteen eighty three, only 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:15.160 one player that came into the league after that had 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:18.800 had more than him. It was Rod Woods. And that 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:23.200 I think ultimately expanding the committee, the you know, expanding 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:28.760 and changing and revamping the senior guidelines and the efforts 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:34.280 of Bengals fans and the sixty five picks didn't. So 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:37.520 that process you're talking about for selecting senior candidates guys 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:41.080 whose careers ended at least twenty five years ago, that 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:44.800 changed last year. What does that mean for Ken Anderson 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:47.720 moving forward? To be thinking, well, I think it's there 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:49.560 were two things that came out of the first. You know, 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:52.680 its stunning that he didn't, you know, go as far 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:54.720 as he did, I thought. But I do think that 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:56.840 that just like for Kenny Riley, I do think that 0:20:56.920 --> 0:21:00.119 opens it up for Kenny Anderson. But when I don't know, 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:03.000 you know, I think it always kind of they always 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:05.240 kind of hurt each other's candidacy a little bit because 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:07.600 they're both Bengals and both played in the same era. 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:10.520 I don't don't and I don't think that helped either one. 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:14.359 And uh, but hopefully with the expanded you know, with 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:18.399 the expanded seniors list, you gotta believe that Kenny Kenny 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:22.040 Anderson gets in sooner rather than later. We're visiting with 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:25.760 Bengals dot Com editor Jeff Butch Hobson. Willie Anderson has 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:28.640 been a finalist in the Modern Era category in each 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:31.199 the last two years. Unfortunately, Big Willie did not get 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:35.000 the nod this year. For those who don't support him, 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:40.400 do they say, why no, you know, it's it's it's 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:42.600 a great question. That's a great way to approach it. 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:48.040 And because nobody ever tells you, nobody ever tells you that, 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:51.720 but you can only you only have to kind of say, 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:55.440 you know, well, he played on he played on Bengals 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:57.600 teams that weren't very good, and he played right tackle. 0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:02.600 But that just doesn't hold water anymore because, first of all, people, 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:04.879 you know, he certainly won more games than Joe Thomas. 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:07.800 You know, he was on more contenders than Joe Thomas, 0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:12.080 and he blocked and he blocked, and he can't say, well, 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:14.040 he was a right tackle, but he blocked as many 0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:17.680 great players as Joe Thomas did. So those arguments really 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:20.720 don't wash when you put in guys like a guy 0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:23.320 like Joe Thomas. So I think, I think fine, I think, 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:25.399 you know, he's a he's certainly a Hall of he 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:28.760 saw a certainly Hall of Fame worthy. But I don't 0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:32.800 think he's you know, he's certainly, Uh, Willie is just 0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:37.000 as accomplished, if not more than he is. But why 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:40.000 does a guy like that get in quicker than Willie does? 0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:44.520 And we could probably do a dissertation on this at 0:22:44.520 --> 0:22:47.879 a new house schoolhoarding we ever back for an alumni weekend. 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:51.640 Although behind like yellow at us, we may be too 0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:53.479 old to be yelled at. He likes the yell at 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:56.840 yearn you guys. But uh, I think will he's another 0:22:56.880 --> 0:22:59.080 guy who's going to get in. And it's but I 0:22:59.119 --> 0:23:01.880 don't know when, you know, will he be like Vasselli? 0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:05.240 Where you know Tony Vasselli was on the ballots in 0:23:05.280 --> 0:23:08.400 the final six times before he made it. I certainly 0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:12.159 hope it's not that it doesn't take that long. But 0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:14.200 the key is to get him in the room, keep 0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:16.080 getting him in the room for those finals. Where his 0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:19.560 case is presented and discussed, and like you, at some point, 0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:21.560 you know the voters are going to look at each 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:24.359 other and say, you know, yeah, there's there's no reason, 0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:29.760 you know, there's I know there are no really marks 0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:33.879 on the no category. Let's talk about a guy who's 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:37.720 not in the room. Corey Dillon. He's twentieth in NFL 0:23:37.840 --> 0:23:40.640 history and career rushing yards. He ranks ahead of many 0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:44.240 Hall of Fame running backs, including O. J. Simpson or o'campbell, 0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:48.560 Terrell Davis, etc. He has two of the top seventeen 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:52.200 single game performances in NFL history. He was the leading 0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:55.440 rusher on a Super Bowl champion in New England. There 0:23:55.520 --> 0:24:00.120 seems to be very little Hall of Fame buzz. Why 0:24:01.200 --> 0:24:04.199 I you know, it's uh could be my fault, just 0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:06.480 trying to get one guy in take so much air 0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:09.679 out of the room. But you know, you know, I 0:24:09.720 --> 0:24:14.639 always stay Corey's case, and I think Paul Dayer Junior 0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:17.359 has done a nice job stayed in, stayed in Corey's case, 0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:20.600 and the guys who have gone in, I know you 0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:22.919 know the names you hear Fred Taylor will put up 0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:26.480 Corey's career against Fred Taylor it's it's it's keep arguing. 0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:28.600 In many ways it's better because he's got a ring 0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:31.000 and he had a better you know, he had a 0:24:31.040 --> 0:24:33.320