1 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody on dan board, and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The and the Memories, Bring Back Memories, 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: Bring Back You. Addition, as we celebrate Ken Riley's long 4 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: overdue selection to the Pro Football Hall of Fame and 5 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: paid tribute to A. J. Greene, who announced his retirement 6 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: on Monday. Plus, we'll head to Arizona and check in 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: with Bengals dot Com editor Jeff Butch Hobson, who's on 8 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: location for Super Bowl fifty seven. The Bengals Booth Podcast 9 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: is brought to you by Kettering Health, the official healthcare 10 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: provider of the Bengals. 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It's like a very, very 28 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: slow amusement park ride. Now let's get to football. Twenty 29 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: five years after Anthony Munios became the first and still 30 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: only Bengals player to be inducted into the Pro Football 31 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, he finally has company, as Ken Riley 32 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: will be enshrined in August. That was made official on 33 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: Thursday when this year's Hall of Fame class was announced 34 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: at the NFL Honors ceremony. Riley was one of three 35 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: players chosen in the Senior category, along with Chuck Howley 36 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: and Joe Cleco. Willie Anderson was a finalist in the 37 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: Modern Era category, but we'll have to wait for at 38 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: least another year. Ken Riley spent fifteen seasons in a 39 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: Bengals uniform, and his sixty five career interceptions is tied 40 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: for fifth most in NFL history, a remarkable accomplishment considering 41 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: that he didn't even play defense at Florida A and M. 42 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 1: Here are Mike Brown and Bob Trumpy on now Hall 43 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: of Famer Ken Riley. Kenny came here as quarterback and 44 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: we had Greg Cook. This was before greed Good injured. 45 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: Training camp and the quarterbacks would stand and pretty much 46 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,959 Speaker 1: watched Greg, and it was obvious who was going to 47 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: be the quarterback. Greg was the best player we ever had, 48 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: and Kenny was standing there when my dad came over 49 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: about the third day he had been in camp and 50 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: said to Kenny, you go over there. And that was 51 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: the extent of the conversation. Over there was with the 52 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: defensive backs, and Kenny went and proceeded to play for US. 53 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: I don't know how many years, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, whatever 54 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: it was, it was forever. He was a player with 55 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: great composure. He could play the ball in the air, 56 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: all his poise, knew what was going on, was in 57 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: position as he should be on every play, and even 58 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: though he was somewhat slight and billed, he was a 59 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: firest tackler, one player maneuver he had that was his alone. 60 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: I've seen other guys do it, but not not do 61 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: it as a regular routine, or they would do just 62 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: on occasions when it happened without thinking, can you do 63 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: it purposefully? He would come up on these guys who 64 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: caught the ball in front of him, and as they 65 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: were catching the ball looking back towards the line of scrimmage, 66 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: he'd come from behind and hit him right under the 67 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: rump and they would go for a cart wheel in 68 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: the air, literally, and not all of them kept the ball. 69 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: When that went on, he would dislodge the ball from them. 70 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: But it was a maneuver that was routine for him, 71 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: and I've often wondered why others didn't pick it up 72 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: and do it as just a regular way of play. 73 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: It didn't seem to hurt anybody. They went for a ride, 74 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: but they all came down in a heap and got 75 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: right back up. It wasn't injurious. It was just enough 76 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: of a blow that it cut their attention, and it 77 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: would catch your attention if you saw it as well. 78 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: So Kenny had the ability to be rough and tough 79 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:25,799 Speaker 1: as well as smart, and he's so deserving, wonderful teammate, 80 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: appreciative of your effort. I never heard him say a 81 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: bad word about anybody, always laughing. In fact, Dan, when 82 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: I first found out that Ken Riley had been a 83 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: quarterback in college, I was astonished because he was so quiet. 84 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: He was a hard guy to get to know, not 85 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: because of any personality flaw. He was a hard guy 86 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,119 Speaker 1: to get to know because he was so studious about 87 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: what he was doing and so serious about it. And 88 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 1: the thing that I remembered most about him, and we 89 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: had two practices a day, an hour and fifteen minutes each, 90 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: seven days a week for two months in preparation for 91 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 1: the season, and other than getting his ankles taped, I 92 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: never saw Ken Riley in the training room. So then 93 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 1: we sat down to tables for breakfast, lunch, and dinner 94 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: with anybody and everybody. We didn't care what color they 95 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: were or where they lived. And every time I sat 96 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: down with Ken Riley, You're not going to believe this, 97 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: but I kind of dominated the conversation. Maybe I didn't 98 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: give Ken Riley a chance, but I was friendly with 99 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: all of them. But every time somebody started, I'm on 100 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: the sideline with the offense the defenses out there. There 101 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: seemed a period of time where every time there was 102 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: a big cheer from the stands at Rubert Front Stadium, 103 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: it was something that Ken Riley had done. He'd either 104 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: lowball the Lance Alworth or a notice Taylor the Kansas 105 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: City Chiefs, pupped them over, or had an interception. But again, personally, 106 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: he was just great to be around. The wonderful guy, 107 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: and there was so much about him. I didn't know 108 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: about him until later on in our careers, and then 109 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: after he retired. I wish I'd have known it more. 110 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: I should have shut up and listened to him. Later 111 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: on the podcast, I'll visit with Bengals dot Com editor 112 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: Jeff Hobson, who is a Hall of Fame voter. We'll 113 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: discuss Ken Riley getting in, how things look for Willie 114 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: Anderson and Ken Anderson going forward, and the latest Bengals topics, 115 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: including a possible contract extension for Joe Burrow. The Bengals 116 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: Booth podcast is brought to you by pay Corps. More 117 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: than twenty nine thousand customers trust pay Corps to help 118 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: them recruit, pay, engage, and retain employees. Learn more at 119 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: paycorps dot Com. AJ Green announced his retirement this week 120 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: after twelve years in the NFL that includes the two 121 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: nineteen season that he missed due to injury. AJ ranked 122 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: second in team history behind Chad Johnson in receptions, receiving yards, 123 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: and touchdown catches. Oddly enough, Ken Riley had sixty five 124 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: interceptions and AJ Green had sixty five touchdown grabs in 125 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: a Bengals uniform, beginning with a fourth quarter game winner 126 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: in his NFL debut from Bruce Gradkowski. A good trivia 127 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: question to beat the Cleveland Browns. For whatever reason, I 128 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: don't have the radio call of that first touchdown pass 129 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 1: in my archives, but I have most of the other ones. 130 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: So let's listen back to about three minutes worth of 131 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: AJ in action now and I formation backfield on first 132 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: and ten, play action fake with out of the right, 133 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: got ball for a wide open catches at the eighteen. 134 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: It's a touchdown for Adriel Jeremiah Green, his eighth consecutive 135 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: game with a touchdown catch on a beautiful fifty seven 136 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: yard bomb from the red rifle to play action fake. 137 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: Dalton sets up to throw, he rangs it deep for 138 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: a wide up in ah a Green catches its time. 139 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: Look at him go at the twenty ten the five 140 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: touchdown Bengals eighty one yards to eighteen. Adriel Jeremiah Green 141 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: boy out to the right, here's a past. AJ wriggles 142 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: out of an ankle tackle and runs into the end 143 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: zone for a Bengals touchdown. Great yak yards after catch 144 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: produces a touchdown for Adriel Jeremiah Green. Dalton takes a 145 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: shotgun snap against the five man rush. He's gonna fire 146 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: a teach. AJ Green is hoping he bobbles it. He's 147 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: got it half the funny, great God, he's still running 148 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: ten five touchdown Adriel Jeremiah Green seventy seven yards. The 149 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: former juggler as a kid made a juggling catch and 150 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: took it to the house to give the Bengals a 151 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: twenty one to sixteen lead. On first and ten, Dalton 152 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: fakes to mix and tis a high Indeed. J Green 153 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: catches half the Buffalo forty s pretty curveen on the 154 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: field of Club of Gene five touchdown by seventy seven yards. 155 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: Andy Dalton finding a J Green, who roasted the rookie 156 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: cornerback R. Davis White Boy goes in motion Dalton back 157 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 1: to throw, steps up, keeps it long. AJ Green is 158 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: won agmen, He's gonna touched down Bengals as Andy Dalton 159 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: floated a high rainbow fifty four yards down field, a 160 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: touch down to AJ Green. No rivas island there. It 161 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: is third and seven at the Pittsburgh twenty five. McCarron 162 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: five yards behind the line, takes a shotgun snap. It's 163 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: a four man rush. AJ gunfield free. J Green catching 164 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: there and goes into the end zone. Touchdown Bengals, a 165 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: twenty five yard touchdown, and the Bengals have a one 166 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: point lead. Dalton back to throw. We're down to five 167 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: seconds left and a half. He's gonna throw a high, 168 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: deep hail Mary pass into the end JJ and it 169 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: is Baba Yea makes the catch. I'm the ricochet hail Mary, 170 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: a forty nine yard touchdown pass as a prairie is 171 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: answered in the end zone by Adriel Jeremiah Green. Over 172 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: the years, the Bengals have probably had more great players 173 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: at wide receiver than any other position. Isaac Curtis, Chris 174 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: colin Worth, Carl Pickens, Chad Johnson, t J. Hushman, Zada, 175 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: AJ Green, and the current trio of Boyd, Higgins and 176 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: Chase Here's Mike Brown on AJ Green. If I had 177 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: a starting all time Bengals team, he'd be on him. 178 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 1: He brings a different package. He's fast, but not as 179 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: fast as Easy. He's quick, but not as quick as Chad. 180 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: He has a tremendous catching radius and a very competitive spirit. 181 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: You feel really secure with him on one side. They 182 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: have to overplay him. They know if they don't, they're 183 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: in trouble. And yes, you're right when you say we've 184 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: had a number of top white outs over the years. 185 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: I think probably that is a position where we've had 186 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: more than our share of great players. The Bengals Booth 187 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: podcast is brought to you by Bengals Picks and Ultimate Bengals. 188 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: They're free to play with tickets and signed merchandise up 189 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: for grabs. Find both inside the Bengals app. After AJ 190 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: announced his retirement, I asked on Twitter if there were 191 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: any highlights or memories that you wanted me to include 192 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: in this podcast. I got a response from at Governor 193 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: Chief asking if I ever did a fun fact segment 194 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: with Aj. The answer is yes. Green's rookie year was 195 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: my rookie year. As the Bengals Radio Voice, and that 196 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 1: weekly segment was still in its infancy. It was only 197 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: about five minutes long back then. It's typically twice that 198 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: long now. But here's twenty three year old AJ Green 199 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: time for fantastic Funch Facts with eight reel Jeremiah Green. 200 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: Anybody in your life that ushes your real name sometime? 201 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: My parents about it. Nobody else did. They used to 202 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: drop it on you when you got in trouble. Yeah, 203 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 1: my mom did. All right, your South Carolina kid, tell 204 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: us a little bit about where you're from. I'm from 205 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: this little country place called Vigil, South Carolina. No nothing 206 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: out there. This is a country area. And you just 207 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: went to Serville High School and that's what I played football. 208 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: Speaking of Summerville High School, your high school football coach 209 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: is the winningest high school football coach, John McKissick. Still 210 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: going strong at eighty five, Is that right? Yeah? Eighty 211 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: five is unbelievable. But he's still active. He's still coaches, 212 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: So this is unbelievable. What was he like? Uh, you know, 213 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: he was really outgoing, always talking, you know, trying to coach. 214 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: You know, he got rained over a couple of times 215 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: on the sideline. So I don't know how he's still coaching, 216 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: but he's a great guy. I read somewhere that he's 217 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: retired one number in his fifty nine years or sixty 218 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: years of high school coaching. It's yours. That must mean 219 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, definitely, man, it's coming from him. You know, 220 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: he seems a lot of great that that came through 221 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: that program. And you know, I would just honor so 222 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: tenth grade high school, he verbally commit to Georgia. What 223 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: was it about the Bulldogs that enthralled yourself? It was 224 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: just coach Raking, you know, just preaching to be a 225 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: better man after the life for football, and I felt 226 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: I could go anywhere and play and uh but just 227 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: give me that that that that like growing up and 228 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: being a man and being on my own, and I 229 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: felt like coach was the best man for that. So 230 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: after you did that, a bunch of big time coaches 231 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: from other schools kept coming around trying to get you 232 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: to change your mind. Right, Yeah, definitely, But you know 233 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: I stayed firm, and uh, you know I held it through. 234 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: Who is your childhood hero? Um? You know my g 235 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: got to be my parents, you know, just they always 236 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: pushed high work and uh, you know, always said nothing 237 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: as easy, Always have to work for, gotta be my parents, 238 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: did you have an athletic hero, somebody who's poster was 239 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: on your bedroom wall? Anything like that? Part of Michael Jordan, 240 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: you know, because he always strives to stuff to be great. 241 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: And that's what I'm trying to do. All right. So 242 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: you're the number four we're picking this year's draft. Obviously, 243 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: whoever that is is well compensated. What what's your splurge? 244 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: What do you spend money on? Um? You know, I'm 245 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: just not really a big spender, but a little clothing shoes, 246 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: that's my passion, even though I don't even get dressed 247 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: dressed that much, but uh, you know, just just knowledge 248 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: that I note that I have them is always good. 249 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: So a close horse. Yeah, clothing shoes, all right. I 250 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: read it somewhere that you were on a juggling team 251 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: as a kid. Yeah. What do they do in the 252 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: juggling team? You know, you just juggle a different item 253 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: like balls, scars, all kind of stuff like that. And 254 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: we used to perform at halftimes a basketball game, so 255 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: kind of fun. How many things could you get in 256 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: the air? Four four? And then then after sixth grade, 257 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, it's not cool no more, so I 258 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: just quick AJ's it like riding a bike? Could you 259 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: still juggle if we had four objects here right now? 260 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely. Uh Gatoray did like a little special 261 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: on me with a little juggling stuff, so I still 262 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: got it this radio, so I'm not going to ask 263 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: you too, So you're off the hook for now. Anyway. 264 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: Have you had any other jobs other than professional athlete? Oh? Yeah, 265 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: I had one job at the store, like department store 266 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: like Stephen Bears and I used to work as xpies, 267 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: but my coach made me quit of both, I mean 268 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: both jobs because he said I have my whole life 269 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: to work, so you know, I just focused on athletics. Well, 270 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: they sold shoes there, so you were able to indulge 271 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: your habit probably for for liking shoes, right, yeah, a 272 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 1: little bit for like two weeks. All right, what NFL 273 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: star do you look forward to meeting? That'd be probably 274 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: this scene pay Manny. You know, you know, just watching 275 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: the whole my whole life growing up, and you know, 276 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: just now I'm here like playing on the same field, 277 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: well not playing on the same field but in the NFL, 278 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: but up Pay many when you have Matt big time 279 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: people over the last year or two, are you a 280 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: little bit awestruck? Are you over that? No? I think 281 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: I'm over that now, So all right, fair enough. When 282 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: you're not at work, what do you enjoy doing? Probably 283 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: to sleeping and playing video games? How late the sleep 284 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: when you can? I mean, if you've got the freedom 285 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,959 Speaker 1: to sleep, how late will you go? Two o'clock, three o'clock? 286 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: You know no longer an option in the NFL. Exactly 287 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: that you're lacking means and need to get your wrist 288 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: when camp. All right, You're off the hot seat. Thanks, 289 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: thank you. As I told Aj in a text this week, 290 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: it was truly a privilege to broadcast his games for 291 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 1: nine seasons, and I look forward to the day when 292 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: he enters the Bengals Ring of Honor. The Bengals Booth 293 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: Podcast is brought to you by Alta Fiber, future proof 294 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 1: fiber Internet capable of delivering multi gigabit speeds designed to 295 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: take your home, business and community to a new level. 296 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: Elevate your connection with Alta Fiber. Now time for my 297 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: conversation with Bengals dot Com editor and Hall of Fame 298 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: voter Jeff Butch Hobson, Jeff. It is a night for 299 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: the Bengals organization in Bengals fans to rejoices. Ken Riley 300 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: is officially going into the Pro Football Hall of Fame 301 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: in August. You are one of forty nine people on 302 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: the selection committee. What ultimately got the rattler over the hump? 303 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: I think when they expanded the committee, when they expanded 304 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: the uh senior nominations from one to three, only one 305 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: senior was able to get in a year. It was 306 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 1: just too tight of a call. I mean, they tell 307 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: you about those uh those meetings where you know, you 308 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: got to come out with one senior and there would 309 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,479 Speaker 1: be fifteen. There'll be a list of fifteen guys. And 310 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: Ron Borge's the great Ron Borgers of a long time 311 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: pro football writer. Would you know, he'd tell you they 312 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: when we when we left the room, that were Hall 313 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: of famers strewn about the floor and U so opening 314 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: it up. And also I think there's been a great 315 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: effort on the ground to help get him in. To 316 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: be aware, to be aware of those sixty five interceptions. 317 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: You know can point to Fingle, Jim Jim Foster, you know, 318 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,959 Speaker 1: with his trips to Canton and you can look at 319 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 1: just at the sixty five interceptions himself that that I 320 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: think that that held up over time. I mean that 321 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: it's amazing how how great that number is when you 322 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: consider that since Kenny retired in nineteen eighty three, only 323 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: one player that came into the league after that had 324 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: had more than him. It was Rod Woods. And that 325 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: I think ultimately expanding the committee, the you know, expanding 326 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: and changing and revamping the senior guidelines and the efforts 327 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: of Bengals fans and the sixty five picks didn't. So 328 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: that process you're talking about for selecting senior candidates guys 329 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: whose careers ended at least twenty five years ago, that 330 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: changed last year. What does that mean for Ken Anderson 331 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: moving forward? To be thinking, well, I think it's there 332 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: were two things that came out of the first. You know, 333 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: its stunning that he didn't, you know, go as far 334 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: as he did, I thought. But I do think that 335 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: that just like for Kenny Riley, I do think that 336 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: opens it up for Kenny Anderson. But when I don't know, 337 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: you know, I think it always kind of they always 338 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: kind of hurt each other's candidacy a little bit because 339 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: they're both Bengals and both played in the same era. 340 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: I don't don't and I don't think that helped either one. 341 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: And uh, but hopefully with the expanded you know, with 342 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: the expanded seniors list, you gotta believe that Kenny Kenny 343 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: Anderson gets in sooner rather than later. We're visiting with 344 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: Bengals dot Com editor Jeff Butch Hobson. Willie Anderson has 345 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 1: been a finalist in the Modern Era category in each 346 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 1: the last two years. Unfortunately, Big Willie did not get 347 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: the nod this year. For those who don't support him, 348 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 1: do they say, why no, you know, it's it's it's 349 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: a great question. That's a great way to approach it. 350 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: And because nobody ever tells you, nobody ever tells you that, 351 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: but you can only you only have to kind of say, 352 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: you know, well, he played on he played on Bengals 353 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: teams that weren't very good, and he played right tackle. 354 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: But that just doesn't hold water anymore because, first of all, people, 355 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: you know, he certainly won more games than Joe Thomas. 356 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: You know, he was on more contenders than Joe Thomas, 357 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: and he blocked and he blocked, and he can't say, well, 358 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: he was a right tackle, but he blocked as many 359 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: great players as Joe Thomas did. So those arguments really 360 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: don't wash when you put in guys like a guy 361 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: like Joe Thomas. So I think, I think fine, I think, 362 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: you know, he's a he's certainly a Hall of he 363 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: saw a certainly Hall of Fame worthy. But I don't 364 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: think he's you know, he's certainly, Uh, Willie is just 365 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: as accomplished, if not more than he is. But why 366 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: does a guy like that get in quicker than Willie does? 367 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: And we could probably do a dissertation on this at 368 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: a new house schoolhoarding we ever back for an alumni weekend. 369 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 1: Although behind like yellow at us, we may be too 370 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,479 Speaker 1: old to be yelled at. He likes the yell at 371 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: yearn you guys. But uh, I think will he's another 372 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: guy who's going to get in. And it's but I 373 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: don't know when, you know, will he be like Vasselli? 374 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: Where you know Tony Vasselli was on the ballots in 375 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 1: the final six times before he made it. I certainly 376 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: hope it's not that it doesn't take that long. But 377 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: the key is to get him in the room, keep 378 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: getting him in the room for those finals. Where his 379 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: case is presented and discussed, and like you, at some point, 380 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: you know the voters are going to look at each 381 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: other and say, you know, yeah, there's there's no reason, 382 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: you know, there's I know there are no really marks 383 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: on the no category. Let's talk about a guy who's 384 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: not in the room. Corey Dillon. He's twentieth in NFL 385 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: history and career rushing yards. He ranks ahead of many 386 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame running backs, including O. J. Simpson or o'campbell, 387 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: Terrell Davis, etc. He has two of the top seventeen 388 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: single game performances in NFL history. He was the leading 389 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: rusher on a Super Bowl champion in New England. There 390 00:23:55,520 --> 00:24:00,120 Speaker 1: seems to be very little Hall of Fame buzz. Why 391 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 1: I you know, it's uh could be my fault, just 392 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: trying to get one guy in take so much air 393 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 1: out of the room. But you know, you know, I 394 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: always stay Corey's case, and I think Paul Dayer Junior 395 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: has done a nice job stayed in, stayed in Corey's case, 396 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: and the guys who have gone in, I know you 397 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 1: know the names you hear Fred Taylor will put up 398 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: Corey's career against Fred Taylor it's it's it's keep arguing. 399 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: In many ways it's better because he's got a ring 400 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: and he had a better you know, he had a 401 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: better you know, his season in New England was I 402 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: think better than anything that Fred did. But you know 403 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: that that that case that I think the position too. 404 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: It's hard to it's it's it's a I mean, in 405 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: this day and age, you've got to be unbelievable in 406 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 1: there with all the I mean there's a there's a 407 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: look at the backlog of receivers. Not one receiver made 408 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: it into the hall this year. Uh, you know you've 409 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: got a backup of three guys that have worthy cases. 410 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: But you know those are the guys that get the 411 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: ink and a running back from the turn of the century. 412 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: How to get traction And I'm not sure, I'm not 413 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: sure how to how that can be, you know, outside 414 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: of a six million dollars public relations, let's I don't 415 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 1: know how to how to get it in the voters 416 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: minds that Corey Jones certainly should it, certainly should be 417 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: in the room. Certainly should be And I would say 418 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: if you look at the backs that have been there recently, 419 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 1: he should be in. Can it is not your fault 420 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: for the record, and I do want to give you 421 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: some credit because every NFL team has one media member 422 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: on the committee, so you have helped make the case 423 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 1: for Ken Riley, Willie Anderson, Ken Anderson and others. What 424 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 1: does Ken Riley's selection mean to you personally? I think 425 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: I've cried about three times since I found out that 426 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: he was that he was in, and it's I know 427 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: what it means to his family, for one thing, And 428 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: I know and Kenny and I would talk about it 429 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: a lot, you know, and he was and it meant 430 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: a lot, and and it meant a lot to him, 431 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: it didn't, you know, like like his son said, it's 432 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: not something that he thought about all the time. But 433 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 1: when you know, a guy like me would ask him invariably, 434 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 1: which I asked him a lot, he would talk about it. 435 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: He would talk about it, and he would it was 436 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: on his mind, but it was him on his mind 437 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: during voting. And so I it means a lot to 438 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: me because of how much it meant to him and 439 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: his family. And I just felt happy that I could 440 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: have a hand in it, that I could write about 441 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: him because I because ultimately Kenny get in because of 442 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: his case. You know, I just feel so happy for 443 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: I feel I feel like his wife does. Who's bitter. 444 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: It's bitter sweet because he's not here. So it's a 445 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: if for me. It's a range of emotions from it's 446 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: it's you cry for a lot of different reasons, and 447 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: one is that he's in and the other reason is 448 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 1: he's not here. It's pretty emotional, but I think I 449 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: got all my crying out of the way. So when 450 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: I was able to hit the button to say that 451 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: he was in, I was in a I was in 452 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: a good frame of mind. All right, let's change subjects. 453 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 1: AJ Green retired this wait. As far as I can tell, 454 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: you're the only reporter he has talked to so far. 455 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: Described that conversation just like any other UH talk with 456 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,640 Speaker 1: as you would call him, Adriel Jeremiah Green. I think 457 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: I think you called that I pretty close to sixty 458 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: five times, maybe forty because your first game was his 459 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: first game, correct, and he was the same, And he 460 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: was he was the same as as you would expect. 461 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: He was very matter of fact. He didn't sound relieved 462 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: or anything like that. You know, sometimes you talk to 463 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: these guys after they make a decision, and UH, you 464 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 1: can tell the loads off. But AJ, that's why he 465 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: was such a great player and such a great locker 466 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: room guy. He was just cool and easy. You know, 467 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 1: he was going he's going on to that. I don't 468 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: think it was an easy decision for him. You know, 469 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: he's a he's a passionate guy. I think that's the 470 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: his his his personality kind of kind of belize the 471 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: passion that simmers in him. So but I found him 472 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,360 Speaker 1: to be as gracious as ever. You know, I uh, 473 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: if it had me, I would have been grousing about 474 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: the injuries that cost me three one thousand yard scenes. 475 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: But he didn't see it like that. He's sorry as 476 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: he was, he was blessed to do what he did, 477 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: which I think shows you what kind of human being 478 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: he is. So I was, you know, he was He's 479 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: excited about being able to, you know, do do all 480 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: the things that he hasn't been able to do with 481 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: his family. And I sounded like he's interested in delving 482 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: into investments and stuff and I'm sure he'll be successful 483 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: with that. So it was just like talking to him 484 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: after a game board. He was like, uh, only was 485 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: like talking to him after a win, because you know, 486 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: after a loss, he wouldn't. He could get him right 487 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: at his locker, but he would still be dressed, and 488 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: he'd be few, and you know, he'd be kind of 489 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: he'd be mad, but he but he talked, but he 490 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: would if it was a loss. He wanted to get 491 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: it over with in his uniform. But I think I 492 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: could envision Aj he was. He was, he was out 493 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: of uniform and enjoying a win. It was great hearing 494 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: him or reading in your story that he's excited to 495 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: openly root for the Bengals again, and so is his 496 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: wife Miranda. Yeah, you know, as you know this is 497 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: a the Greens aren't the only ones that are taken 498 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: with this team, you know. And the fact that you 499 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: know we forget AJ played on that, I mean AJ 500 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: played with those guys, you know. I mean, I still 501 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: think and maybe I'm the biggest homer of all time. 502 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: I'm the last guy in the world that thinks Joseph Osai, 503 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: I guess was hit, you know, should have been flagged 504 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: for that play. But I definitely think that AJ Green 505 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: should not have been called for offensive pass interference and 506 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow's first start, so that would have been a 507 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: great that that that would have been a great trivia 508 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: question because you got to feel like Joe is going 509 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: to be around for, you know, a long time, and 510 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: AJ Green is that other era, you know, and so 511 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: he kind of played into both errors, you know. And 512 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: I I think he helped those guys, I know, you 513 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: know Tie Higgins. I went back. I looked at some 514 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: of the stuff that Tee Higgins said when you know 515 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: when AJ was there, how much he helped T and uh, 516 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: you know, and he's still close to Tyler Boyd. So 517 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: it's he's rooting for guys that he knows, you know. 518 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: And uh, he got a great relationship with Mike Brown, 519 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: you know. And I joked with him, I said, you know, 520 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: probably you probably didn't text Mike probably and he said, now, 521 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: he goes, I don't. I don't think he looked at 522 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: his cell phone. I said, well, you can expect the 523 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: handwritten letter at some point, and he agreed with that. 524 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: He will be up on that ring of honor someday, 525 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: there's no question about it. We're visiting with Jeff Hobson, 526 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: who's in Arizona for Super Bowl Week. Your fellow media 527 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: members there know that you cover the Bengals. What are 528 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: they asking you about this week? What do they want 529 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: to know about this team? Why aren't we there? I mean, 530 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many I can't tell you 531 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: how many people have you know, I always wanted my 532 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: Bengals garb and uh. So you know, they say, oh, 533 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: you should have been there. I thought you were going 534 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: to be here. You got a good team, You'll be back, 535 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: you know. Uh. And that's just passing in the hallway. 536 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: But when you talk to guys like Jim Miller of 537 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: Serious Radio, Alex Marveez of serious Radio, Howard ballser who's 538 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: who's a Hall of Fame voter Um Rappaport. If you 539 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: get Rappaport off the phone for a little bit, you 540 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: know they're they're, uh, you know, they know this team, 541 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,479 Speaker 1: the team is going to be in it, you know. 542 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: So you know, they all want to know about borrows, 543 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: you know, contract or something. And I you know, I said, 544 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: that's that's to me, that's a I was talking to 545 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: Steve Servey about this. Uh. They got the great writer 546 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: from the Post who, by the way, once wrote the 547 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: greatest line in Super Bowl history when the When the 548 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: Packers got back to the Super Bowl of the nineties, 549 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: the first word of his of his column was, I 550 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: am standing in the house Vince Lombardi used to live 551 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: in Oky. He went today, he went to Vince Lombardi's 552 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: old house. So Servey's back for another Super Bowl and 553 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: he was talking about borrowing the boys and about that 554 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: went over the Jets and back in September, and he 555 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: was talk you know, asking about the contract and how 556 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: are they going to keep these guys? That's another topic 557 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: two is how how are they going to keep all 558 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: these guys even asked have they even asked even as 559 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: to match Chase. But I said to Servey, I said, 560 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: you know this, I said, Mike Brown made Boomera scias 561 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: In the highest paid guy in the league twice. He 562 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: made Constin Palm of the highest paid guy in the 563 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: league once. So you know this is he's He's even 564 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: down this road a few times. So I do think 565 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: that there's a little bit of a misconception out there 566 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: nationally at least and maybe even somewhat locally, that this 567 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: is something that has to happen. Now. Yeah, the truth 568 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: is Joe's under contract really for two more years, assuming 569 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: that the Bengals would pick up a fifth year option 570 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: if they had two and obviously they would, but this 571 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: is the first year that they can extend the deal 572 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: and there's some salary cap benefits long term if they do. 573 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: What's your gout to tell you? You think it gets 574 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: done this offseason? Well, that's that's their history, you know, 575 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: I can only look at the history. Uh what they 576 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: did Dalton in I think the camp of twenty fourteen, right, 577 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: which was when they had the first I think they 578 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: had the first chance to do it, right, that was 579 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: after his first three seasons. Uh, they did Boom, you know, 580 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: they did they would do back in the day, they 581 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: would do Boomer quietly, but they did Carson. Remember they 582 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: did Carson. He hadn't even finished his first season yet 583 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: and they did it. So he finished his third season. 584 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: Well it was yeah, you correct, that's Curry. You are right, sir, Right, 585 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: that's right, thank you. Yeah, history would tell you that 586 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: they do it sooner rather than later. I would imagine 587 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: this is the same case now because he's gonna he's 588 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: gonna set the structure, he's gonna set what you do 589 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: with other guys, and you know he's gonna he's not 590 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: want to go out, He's not gonna want to go 591 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: out there and play with the Lerman twins. Although they 592 00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: had a great they had a great run together an Ath, 593 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: but you know he's going to have other guys with him, 594 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: so you know it's, uh, you gotta get t figured out. 595 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: You gotta get Logan Wilson figured out. They're both they're 596 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 1: also both viligible to be talked to. And then of 597 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: course in the distance you have Jamar and you know, defensively, 598 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: certainly von Bell and Jesse bates her up and you know, 599 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: so you know, you would think, if you if he's 600 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: going to set the salary structure, you'd probably like to 601 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: get that. Not as soon as possible, but I'm sure 602 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: they could still do business while they're talking to him, 603 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: but history would tell you sooner rather than later. You 604 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,839 Speaker 1: referenced Jamar Chase being out there in Arizona, and he 605 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 1: was on the NFL network on Wednesday and when asked 606 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: about Burrows contract. Here's what Jamar said, Joe wants to 607 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,800 Speaker 1: set up his contract to keep some of his weapons 608 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: around him. That's the quote. It sounds to me like 609 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 1: they've talked about it. You would think, knowing their friendship 610 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: and their history that they have, how significant do you 611 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: think that comment was from Jamar. You know, I know, 612 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: I it's like you said, you can only go by 613 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 1: how close they are. It's also not surprising, you know, 614 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 1: I think knowing noing Joe, I think he's a pretty calculator. 615 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: You know, he's a pretty uh I don't want to 616 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: say calculated, but he's a he's a clear minded guy. Yeah, 617 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: he's pretty focused. He know what he wants to do, 618 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,439 Speaker 1: and yeah, right, it's I mean, every time he talks, 619 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: he talks about with him. You know, he's not talking 620 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: about Passerini and completion percentage and all that stuff. He's 621 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: talking about wins and so yes, I agree. I mean 622 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: you would have to say that it sounds like Joe. 623 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: So Joe's not due to be a free agent right away. 624 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: But you mentioned some of the guys that are Jesse Bates, 625 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: Von Bell plus Jermaine Pratt, Eli Apple Paydon Hurst. Those 626 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 1: are five starters who are going to be free agents. 627 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: I think most of us assume Jesse's moving on, It's 628 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 1: been trending that way for a couple of years now. 629 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,760 Speaker 1: Of the others, who do you think is most likely 630 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: to return? Great question? I mean, I uh, you look 631 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,320 Speaker 1: at von Bell and I mean, he's uh, very comfortable 632 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: in the system, great in the locker room. I know 633 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: he's got some ties around the league, you know, around 634 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: the league with other you know, teams and the guys 635 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 1: who were up for jobs. But he's a guy I 636 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 1: would think he seems, uh you know, he wants to 637 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 1: win too. And I you can't you can't help but 638 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: see the letter of number nine there for these guys, 639 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: you know, and I think v I think Von's one 640 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: of these guys. Any guy who comes into the weight 641 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 1: room every day at six and the morning that tells 642 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: me he's not he's he's running in for just a paycheck, 643 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So he's a guy I 644 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: could see, you know, sticking here because you know he 645 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: wants to win, and uh, you know he's he was 646 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 1: a winner on the Saints too, and what were the 647 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,319 Speaker 1: two common denominators, Drew Breese and Borrow, So that you know, 648 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 1: I could I could see I could see vareun staying, 649 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I that would be a guy. 650 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,800 Speaker 1: I mean, but you know I wouldn't give I wouldn't 651 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: give short shrift to Pratt either. I think Pratt's pretty 652 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 1: comfortable here. His good friend b J Hills on the team. 653 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,439 Speaker 1: He's really come on under their you know, he's really 654 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: the last two years under the lou He's really he's 655 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 1: really come on. So you know that, you know, But 656 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 1: what what would he want to be? You know, I 657 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: think Wilson and Pratt are seen as two guys. Would 658 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: he want to go someplace where he wants to be 659 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: the guy? I don't you know who knows? I mean, 660 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: but I think everything's on the table with these guys. 661 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: I think it has had to say one guy is 662 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,879 Speaker 1: more likely than the other because I think Borrow kind 663 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: of changes everything. And the success Borrow in the success 664 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: of the last two years is you know, hard to 665 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 1: know what guys are thinking, and hard to know where 666 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 1: they are in their lives, you know, and what they 667 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 1: want to accomplish at this stage in their lives. And 668 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: each guy is different. But I think, you know, I 669 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: think if a lot of guys stay that would that 670 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 1: would not be surprising because they know they got a shot. 671 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,359 Speaker 1: I think they believe and they've lived it and they've 672 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: seen it. They a chance every year to get here. 673 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 1: The factor that you never know at this point is 674 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: what other teams might offer. I mean, nobody expected CJ. 675 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 1: Zama to get the deal that he got last year. 676 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,800 Speaker 1: So I know that hayden Hurst wants to be back, 677 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: But will another team go crazy and make an offer 678 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,800 Speaker 1: that that just simply does not make sense for the Bengals. 679 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 1: You don't know, no, right, you don't know, and you 680 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: don't know what a guy's thinking. We would a guy 681 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,399 Speaker 1: take less to stay? What a guy does a guy 682 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,839 Speaker 1: want more as a guy and needing more? I think 683 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 1: keeping a team together, I think is that's that's just 684 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 1: going to be the high. But I mean, they've done 685 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 1: such a good job putting this one together. It's going 686 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: to be probably even tougher to keep it together, you know. 687 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 1: And but I think we'll have a lot of help. 688 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 1: Joe's gonna have give him a lot of help and 689 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: a regat And I think, you know, I think Zach 690 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 1: Taylor's built a great You have to say, what he's 691 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: done a hell of a job in that locker room. 692 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: And if you didn't think so, you thought so after 693 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,840 Speaker 1: DJ Hills stood next to Joseph the sci after that 694 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,839 Speaker 1: conference champion, the game that shows you what they've got 695 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: and so uh, it makes this It makes this locker 696 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 1: room quite a lure, I think in free agency. A 697 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: couple more topics as we record this. Luanna Roumo is 698 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 1: reportedly one of two finalists for the areas could be 699 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: right around the corner from you. He could be right 700 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 1: around the corner from here or in Arizona. Yeah, yea, 701 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: So he's supposedly one of two finalists for that job. 702 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: Brian Callahan is apparently still on the lengthy list of 703 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,879 Speaker 1: guys who are being considered by the Indianapolis Colts. If 704 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:36,440 Speaker 1: either or both leave, are the replacements in house? I 705 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 1: would think so. I think that was part of the 706 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:44,360 Speaker 1: deal when Mike, when they when the when the ownership 707 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 1: opted to go for a offensive head coach. I think 708 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: the thinking was, you know, they were looking at points 709 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: like this where they would get coaches, you know, where 710 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: other coaches would leave, and I think they felt like, 711 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 1: you get to have a system. You get to have 712 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 1: at least on one side of the all. You have 713 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,720 Speaker 1: to have a system that the head coach has and 714 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 1: uh so za za this is Zack's often so uh 715 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 1: certain you don't want guys like Callahan and Tooy Walters 716 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 1: is up for a job. The wide receiver's goes Dan 717 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 1: picture the quarterbacks coach. He's up for a job. He's 718 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: already had two interviews in Tampa. But Zach the guy 719 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 1: ultimately zat zact system. He's still here. He's not going anywhere. So, 720 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a key thing on that side of 721 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,399 Speaker 1: the ball. And you know, defensively, it's an interesting call. 722 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: You know, James Betcher worked with lou in New York. 723 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: James Betcher is a two time defensive coordinator. His best 724 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 1: you know, he had three top ten defenses in Arizona, uh, 725 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: you know, several years ago. So you know, he would 726 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,400 Speaker 1: seem to be you know, would he be a candidate. 727 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 1: He has done the job before, so you know, I 728 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,759 Speaker 1: I and they, you know they and I think Zach 729 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 1: and Duke and Mike have done a great job with 730 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,839 Speaker 1: coaching continuity. I mean and that you know. I mean, 731 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 1: you know, Mike, You've talked to Mike enough. He is 732 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: rock ribbed in his belief that you have to have consistency, 733 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,720 Speaker 1: particularly in coaching. And I think he's been proven correct 734 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 1: down through the years. So you know, I think those 735 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 1: you know, those in the house guys get an extra 736 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 1: long look. I think in Cincinnati Mike puts it differently 737 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 1: than anybody else I've ever heard, as you would expect 738 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 1: when we're all singing from the same hymnal. It's hard. 739 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,840 Speaker 1: It's hard to change from the year to year. So 740 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: that's a classic way of Mike talking about coaching continuity. Yeah, 741 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 1: and that's he just didn't come up with that either, 742 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 1: you know. And I think he's seen that, he's seen 743 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,759 Speaker 1: that playout. He's sorr he saw it on his dad's 744 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,720 Speaker 1: back when you know, I mean Paul Brown's first stabs. 745 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,560 Speaker 1: I know it was a different time, in a different era, 746 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: but they barely changed, you know, in the in the 747 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:57,840 Speaker 1: in the when he was coaching the team for the 748 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:02,880 Speaker 1: first eight years. So you're in Arizona for the Super Bowl. 749 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,960 Speaker 1: You've been around players from both teams, coaches from both teams. 750 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 1: Do you have a rooting interest? Do you have a 751 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,319 Speaker 1: feel for who you think is gonna win? You know, 752 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,720 Speaker 1: I hate I had a nice conversation with the former 753 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,400 Speaker 1: Bengals coach. We'll get to these notes later after the 754 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame stuff, but old running back coach Jamal 755 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 1: Singleton is out here. Is the assistant head coach for 756 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 1: the Eagles, really really shot guy, and they the Eagles 757 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,240 Speaker 1: do a great job running the ball. Did a little 758 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,279 Speaker 1: did a little story with Lane Johnson and got to 759 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 1: spend some time with him, who's a big Willie Anderson guy, 760 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,799 Speaker 1: and talk to their offensive line coach a little bit, 761 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:44,120 Speaker 1: Jeff Stoutmond. And they're very impressive upfront, you know. And 762 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,239 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the Chiefs are the Chiefs are 763 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 1: a great team. You know what, We've had four classic games. 764 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 1: It's unbelievable you think about that. I mean, every game 765 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 1: has been a classic, but this Eagles punch, it's a 766 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,279 Speaker 1: they're intriguing you after being around a little. But I mean, 767 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,000 Speaker 1: and I just look at how they run the ball. 768 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 1: And Willie Anderson was talking about that too. What he 769 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 1: was saying when they blocked the run, their picture perfect. 770 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,560 Speaker 1: They're combo blocking is like right out of the textbook. 771 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,000 Speaker 1: So you know, I hate to get back to the 772 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,279 Speaker 1: running game, but that's they They could they could take 773 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,279 Speaker 1: over this game in the run game, and we might 774 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 1: not see much, you know, the plan might be not 775 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 1: to see much of Patrick. You know, that's that's you know, 776 00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,640 Speaker 1: as you know, I mean, obviously, if she's met on 777 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,440 Speaker 1: the field, he can't beat you. But I think and 778 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,840 Speaker 1: the Eagles are so good on the other side of 779 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,319 Speaker 1: the ball too. I just they're so good on both 780 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,120 Speaker 1: sides of the ball. It's hard to me to see 781 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 1: them losing a game like this. Well, I hope you're right, 782 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 1: because I'm rude to the Eagles. My fellow Southwestern Central 783 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: High school graduate, Nick Siriani, right, his ni Fran was 784 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,879 Speaker 1: my high school science teacher. So this is kind of cool. 785 00:43:52,400 --> 00:44:00,120 Speaker 1: Wow about that? Um yeah, that's uh uh And there 786 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,799 Speaker 1: you're kind of guys, you kind of like a little 787 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,920 Speaker 1: bit like Hassan Reddick is kind of like the eli 788 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,520 Speaker 1: apple of that team a little bit. He's got a 789 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,160 Speaker 1: second he got a second chance, and he's got sixteen sacks, 790 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:15,040 Speaker 1: and um, you know, I I think that, uh, this, 791 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 1: this the Andy Reid thing is what a great thing. 792 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,359 Speaker 1: I mean, uh, what a story that is. I mean, 793 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,320 Speaker 1: he's hugging some of those Eagles, He's hugging some of 794 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,040 Speaker 1: those Eagles guys on the on the stage that were 795 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,560 Speaker 1: there when he when he was there, you know, and 796 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,839 Speaker 1: so it's, uh yeah, I think this, uh, this one 797 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,080 Speaker 1: is It's gonna be tough to watch though, because he's 798 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,919 Speaker 1: just gonna think, you know, how close the Bengals were 799 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 1: to get there, you know, and uh, I would have 800 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,360 Speaker 1: liked the match up with the with the Eagles, it 801 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 1: would have been their their their pass rush would have 802 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,839 Speaker 1: been tough. But I think that uh, you know, Joe 803 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,120 Speaker 1: could have gone after that secondary, you know, And I 804 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,080 Speaker 1: think our defense would have been a nice match for 805 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,880 Speaker 1: you know, we're tough to run the ball on, you know. 806 00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,560 Speaker 1: And uh, I think Hurts might have you know, I 807 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,279 Speaker 1: think Lou might have had a few things for Hurt. 808 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,799 Speaker 1: So we'll just have to we'll just have to kind 809 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,760 Speaker 1: of do a fantasy game on the side. I guess 810 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,799 Speaker 1: we're both still in mourning. They probably would have had 811 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,239 Speaker 1: Kappa back, they might have had with Jonah back, so 812 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,319 Speaker 1: that would have been helped as well. But hey, here's 813 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,080 Speaker 1: the good news. Of the fourteen teams that made the playoffs, 814 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,120 Speaker 1: they had the youngest roster or it's not going anywhere. 815 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:25,280 Speaker 1: The Bengals aren't going anywhere, So hopefully next year we'll 816 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,840 Speaker 1: be still in the hunt. At this point of the 817 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,440 Speaker 1: Super Bowl week, well, and the great thing FORRDY is 818 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,000 Speaker 1: they've got the youngest roster and they got one of 819 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,719 Speaker 1: the most After the Eagles, they might have the most 820 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 1: postseason games even though they're so young, you know, which 821 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 1: is that's a great combination. Well, as I said off 822 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,759 Speaker 1: the top, it is a night for Bengals fans to 823 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,040 Speaker 1: celebrate Ken Riley officially going into the Hall of Fame. 824 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:50,800 Speaker 1: You had a lot to do with that and also 825 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,000 Speaker 1: getting Willie Anderson in the room. So congratulations, thank you 826 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,240 Speaker 1: on your for your efforts and look forward to seeing 827 00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,560 Speaker 1: you when you get back to town forty. That's very 828 00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,480 Speaker 1: kind of you. You know, it's kind of a family 829 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,000 Speaker 1: deal here. The Rileys are all are all out here 830 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:05,799 Speaker 1: and it's a great thing to see. And I know 831 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:10,200 Speaker 1: Carry Hobson's listening on our podcast, and one day as 832 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,080 Speaker 1: a family, we're going to go up and see Kenny 833 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:18,080 Speaker 1: Riley's bust and as a family and we'll we'll be 834 00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,680 Speaker 1: up there, and it was a bit or his family 835 00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,319 Speaker 1: and hopefully Willie will be going back up to visit. 836 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:28,960 Speaker 1: Willie and Isaac and Corey and you know, Joe and 837 00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,879 Speaker 1: Jamar if we live that long, which would be nice. 838 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,160 Speaker 1: That's going to do it for this episode of the 839 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:38,240 Speaker 1: Bengals Booth podcast, presented by Kettering Health, the official healthcare 840 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:42,440 Speaker 1: provider of the Bengals, By Bengals Picks and Ultimate Bengals. 841 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,040 Speaker 1: They're free to play with tickets and signed merchandise up 842 00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:50,840 Speaker 1: for grabs by pay Corps, the official HR software provider 843 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,960 Speaker 1: of the Bengals, and by All to Fiber future proof 844 00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:59,440 Speaker 1: Fiber Internet elevate your connection with All too Fiber. 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